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Doing

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round up the herd, huh?

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Okay.

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Good afternoon everybody. Good

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Afternoon. Good afternoon.

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Call the order the District four, uh,

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November 14th, board of Supervisors meeting.

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Um, first on our agenda's roll call shows.

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All board members are here.

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So we'll stand for a place to the flag

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and remain standing for a moment as silence

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for our first responders and military personnel,

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My life of the United States of America,

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and through the Republic for which it stands,

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one Nation under God, individual with liberty.

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Justice for.

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Next on our agenda is public comments.

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If you have a comment you wanna make or a suggestion

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or something you wanna present to this board

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that is not on the agenda, please step to the podium.

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State your name and address,

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and you'll have three minutes to address us.

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Carl. Carl Arps, 93 40 Southeast,

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one 70th Humphreys Loop in Village of Woodbury,

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and a member of the Architectural Review

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Committee representing District four.

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Um, as you know, um, Todd Turpen,

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uh, our alternate, uh, representative has resigned,

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and that's all that's on your consent agenda,

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and that's, that's fine.

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I just wanted to update that.

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I, um, have been meeting with, um, with Matt Armstrong,

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and we are up updating, you might say,

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tweaking the language in the, um, primarily in

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the sheet that describes what the duties

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and responsibilities and authority.

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And we've added in what are some of the benefits.

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And we've taken it from a paragraph type

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format to bullet format.

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Hopefully this will make it easier

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and more attractive to find, uh, people,

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'cause we know the problems that District Six ran into

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trying to find additional people.

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So I, that are the kind of, I just wanted

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to let you know those are some of the steps

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that we've taken, um, to try to move things along.

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That's, um, really, there are no additional things

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to other stuff we've brought up.

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There are going to continue to be discussions

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between districts.

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However, some of the districts in the South are able

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to do a standing seam roof

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because of the way our deed restrictions are written.

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I don't think, think that is going to be possible

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'cause it specified shingles

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as uses the word shingles, not roofing.

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So that I was, I was disappointed to find that out,

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but as I look at it, I don't see

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how there can be, how that can be corrected.

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That was it. Just wanted to give you that update. Thank you.

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Thank you. I have some comments,

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but I'll make them one when, when it comes up on the agenda.

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Um, anybody else in the audience? Yes, ma'am.

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Yes ma'am. Come to the podium.

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Please state your name and address.

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Hi, I am Michelle Jimon.

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I live at 73 52 Southeast,

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1 68 DPH Row in Ly Villas.

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We, um, as a group, we're a very, very cohesive

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community at Ly Villas.

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We do a lot of, um, things jointly

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and usually, uh, almost unanimous in our, uh,

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projects that we do.

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Um, and we'd like to do the Christmas decorations.

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We've done decorations in the past.

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Um, they were approved this year.

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We would like to put up a poultry

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at the entrance at the gate.

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Um, but he went to go put it in

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because we didn't realize

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that we were gonna run into a problem and they stopped him

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and they said we had to come here to have that.

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Um, in addition to the poultry,

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because it's a regular, um, flagpole

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that he was gonna put up, um, all of our residents

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and I have most of them signed, um, that would like

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to turn that into a regular flagpole for the rest

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of the year and just put up a United States flag.

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So that is why I am here today to find out

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how we can proceed so that we can continue our project

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that we are almost unanimous on.

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Uh, Mr. Chair, the project, uh,

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for holiday decorations doesn't have to come to the board.

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It needs to go to district property management.

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They will look at the area

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and make sure that the proposed decorations aren't going

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to cause any type of damage

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to the infrastructure that is there.

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Um, Mr. Harris in the back can raise his hand

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and you can, um, get his information and then provide it.

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Either drop it off or email it to his office for review.

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Thank you so much. That's what I needed.

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I thought that we were originally told to come here,

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so that's why I came.

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Let me do it, do it the right way. Okay. Is that it?

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That's what I needed. I I wouldn't, um,

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we don't allow any type of permanent decorations

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or flags to be added to that area.

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Um, if it's at the gate that's probably not owned by

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District four, that's probably owned by Village Center.

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I'd have to look at it. Um,

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but generally speaking, you know, for consistency purposes,

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we have flags throughout the community.

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Homeowners have the ability

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to add flagpoles to their property.

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I wouldn't recommend adding additional flagpoles to gates

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or any other entries that are outside

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of the state design within the community.

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We also have, when it comes to making sure that it complies

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with the flag code and that it's lowered, um,

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and taken down and cited.

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So I, that's not something

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that staff would, would recommend.

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Well, hold on one, one second. I have a question.

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'cause there's many communities

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that have a flagpole at their postal station, right?

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Our postal station's right at the entrance.

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I, I, yes ma'am. I know,

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that's why I'm asking the question.

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So what's different about them putting it at the postal

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station versus the ones that are up at Woodbury

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and Lumin Postal Station?

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For sure. So

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Did, did residents put it up at the postal station?

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I believe it was, um, it was approved by the board

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to be put in that location.

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It's really on the road right away

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rather than the postal station

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Property. Okay. But it's on district four

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property? Mm-hmm. Yes.

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So I mean, that, that's up

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to the board if you're looking at solar, as long

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as it's not on the postal station property.

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Because that would be a a CI mean,

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ultimately would be up to the board.

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Um, I'm assuming at the other postal stations are the

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residents the ones that are responsible

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for putting the flag and maintaining it? Yes,

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They are. And, and they

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do it. And we've had no complaints.

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So I don't see any difference on this.

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And as long as it's District four property, I wasn't aware

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that that happened anywhere.

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That would be up to the board.

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Okay. So when you check with Mr. Harris, make sure

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that if you're gonna put a flag pole at the postal station,

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it's on district property. Alright,

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Good. Thank you.

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Anybody, anybody else? Okay.

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Seeing none, um, I, I know Lieutenant Adams is here, so I'm,

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I'm gonna change it around

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because I want my sheriff back out on the road

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taking care of the bad guys.

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So thank you for coming.

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Thank you guys. Good to see you again.

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And, uh, I'll be quick.

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We got a couple of things that I, I wanted to cover.

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So, as you know, I returned in, uh,

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September from having been gone

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for the summer at the FBI National Academy

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and, uh, started to see a little bit of a trend.

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And in the South Marion district

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and our district, it doesn't just cover the

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villages for Marion County.

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It goes all the way into p drove just past 4, 7, 5

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to basically to the interstate

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and Sunset Arbor Road down all the way, uh, just,

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just across 4 41.

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And in the South Marion district,

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we have had nine reported stolen vehicles right now.

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One of those was unfounded, one of 'em was a, was a trailer,

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but technically it's motor vehicle in the state of Florida.

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Uh, but we had, for September

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and October, we had four stolen

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vehicles out of the villages.

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And in each of those cases, the keys were left inside.

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And yes, they were all recovered, some of 'em,

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and not the best condition.

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Um, we actually, at one of the, at one

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of the locations where a vehicle was stolen in the villages,

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one of my deputies went there

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and we just kind of store things in our mind.

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And he saw a car parked

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and, uh, it just for some reason stood out to him.

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It was a few houses down from

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where he was taking this report.

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And just a couple weeks later, he went out there

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and checked that car again, the one that stood out

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and found out that it was reported

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stolen out of Sumter County.

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So what this suspect did was he stole a car in Sumter

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County, drove it up here into the villages, parked it,

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and then found a car to steal on that roadway.

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Um, luckily we have an amazing detective here in South

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Marion that has been working

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with the detectives in Sumter County.

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They've been working closely with each other

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and a couple of other counties,

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and they have, uh, identified a suspect

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and he got a warrant for one of those cases.

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Uh, just yesterday he got a warrant for that suspect.

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And the other counties are getting suspect,

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uh, warrants forms as well.

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Um, aside from that, uh, we have also sort

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of been taking a proactive measure.

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Our security checks in the villages are increasing.

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We are also working with Chief Wolf Villages Public Safety.

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And, uh, they have actually been sending us any kind of, uh,

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suspicious vehicles or abandoned vehicles.

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Their guys are, are doing like a,

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a field report on that and sending it to us.

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So we have that information. Uh,

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and just to let you guys know, we are, our guys are really

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going above and beyond to work.

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We have, uh, since I have been back, uh, we have 10 deputies

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that are assigned to South Marion.

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We have on each company, we have two deputies

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during the day, two deputies at night,

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and one deputy that works that mid, since I've been back,

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we lost one to promotion.

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He was promoted to sergeant.

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He was one of our veteran deputies.

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We lost one that is going

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to be a detective with property crimes.

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We lost one to a medical condition.

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We lost one to a personnel matter.

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And one of my guys is leaving the agency

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and moving to West Virginia.

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So if my science is correct, that leaves five.

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And we, uh, we did gain at least one

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that was released from training.

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So we were sitting at, at six deputies, uh,

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we're actually at seven, but the, uh,

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the other one's leaving soon.

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So, and they're still out there making this happen.

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So if you, uh, if you see these guys just know that,

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uh, they're, they're out there working.

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And these are, we ask a lot from these young deputies.

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We really do. And they do a phenomenal job.

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They're still, we are still sitting at, uh, our numbers

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for traffic stops and security checks are, are up.

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And, uh, they have not dipped, uh, to

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where they were even when we had 10.

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So they're just putting in some overtime.

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So that's all I got.

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If you guys ever need me, you know where I'm at.

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Any question? Just a quick one.

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Considering, considering it takes nine to 12 months,

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once you get somebody through the academy, uh,

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how is the hiring process going?

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It's got, so one of the, one of the things

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that we are blessed with is we actually sponsor people

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through the academy so they can get hired, go

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through the entire process, polygraph everything

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as if you are a deputy, you're not,

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but you go through that process

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and then we put them through the academy, which is,

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uh, run by the state of Florida.

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We put them through the academy. And so

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that takes about six months.

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And then, and then they got another, uh, four months

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for field training and logistics, things like that.

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So, so we're looking at 10 to 12 months

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before somebody actually gets released.

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But right now we have 29 deputy

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trainees is what that's called.

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And we have currently 14

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that are in field training officer program waiting

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to be released on their own.

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Good. Thank you. Um, yeah. And, and just one last thing.

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If I could get everybody

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to just start talking about the scams

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and start talking about don't leave your keys in your car

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at the revolutionary thought.

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I know I'm asking, I'm asking a lot,

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but if I could just do that and,

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and everybody's talking about it.

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Wherever you are, the clubhouse is everything.

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Talk about this stuff. All right.

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Thank you guys. Y'all have a great day.

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Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

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Next on the agenda is the Arlington Loop drainage

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assessment report.

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Who's gonna present? Uh,

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Mr. Harris can come up

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and just give a little bit of an overview

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and introduce our guests, um,

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that have come here to present this report.

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Good afternoon. Ron Ferris Climber Farner Barley, uh,

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74 74 13 Alford Avenue Street, I believe it is,

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uh, Middleton, Florida.

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Um, so, um, essentially, uh, we were tasked

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to, uh, look, we came with a couple of scopes to the board.

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And, uh, our, the scope that was approved was

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to check the permit and design of the ponds, uh, check his,

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that how they reacted to historic storms, check deficiencies

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and storage, uh, in the ponds, if we had identified any

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and estimate the impacts if we were

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to expand the ponds, what it would look like.

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Um, so the first part, uh, I reviewed the St.

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John's permit water, uh, St.

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John's River Water Management District permitting,

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which was submitted in 1999.

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It was designed for a single 25, 96 6 storm,

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which is the standard storm for that time in that district.

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Um, the calculations, uh, I reviewed those for the basin,

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uh, and also the basin delineations and plans.

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They seemed reasonable

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that the calculations were done correctly.

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Um, I did the, the methodologies they used were standard

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and still used today, uh, for the types of calculations

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that are provided, although nowadays we use more complex

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computer models, but they use the same science.

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Um, and additionally, the, uh,

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the files contained upon completion report, which verified,

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um, upon volumes after construction, and that was signed

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and sealed by an engineer

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and also reviewed by the water management district.

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So the ponds, uh, were built to spec.

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Um, one of the interesting things, uh, I had submitted, um,

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a, well, there's a map, I believe on page two

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of the, or if you have the

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PowerPoint page, page three, I think it is on, I'm sorry.

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Oh, okay. Page three page.

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So the, you know, we often look at funds in a subdivision

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and just kind of think they work on their own.

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Um, the villages in the, you know, in this area, um,

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in a lot of areas they use, reuse the storm water for, uh,

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irrigation purposes.

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Um, so, uh, one of the benefits of

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that is for recovery.

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If you have repetitive storms,

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it helps you recover over percolation

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and evaporation, which many systems outside the villages,

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that's all they have to rely on.

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Um, however, irrigation isn't consistent.

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Uh, it requires demand.

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So if you have a raining season

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and people's, um, irrigation systems aren't running,

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or the golf courses don't need as much water, uh,

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they may not be able to recover as quickly

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as they would if there was more demand.

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Um, there's also permitting requirements on

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how we use our water, which restrict that.

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Um, another thing, um,

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for anybody who's been here a long time,

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they understand the forecasts aren't perfect.

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Um, so, uh, the man, the people that manage the ponds

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may get a forecast that says six inches

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and 10 com or vice versa.

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And if they try to get rid of water, they've wasted it.

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So, um, it's, it's a challenge for the folks that do this.

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Um, another thing that, um, in the newer areas,

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we have more automated monitoring

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and controls, so it's a lot easier for the managers

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to keep an eye on ponds

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and, uh, make adjustments, um, if they need to.

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Um, so, uh, the next step we did, uh,

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but, well, if you look at the map, there's two ponds

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that are white and three that are orange.

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The pond to the north,

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and the pond of the west ha do have bleed down valves

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that come into the pond in question.

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And the pond in question can bleed to the east.

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However, you can only bleed water when there's volume

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in the pond downstream.

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You can't transfer problems,

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but it, it can help you recover the ponds quicker.

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Um, so the next step of the task was to review, uh,

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two historic storms.

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Uh, we looked at Hurricane Irma.

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Uh, the local gauge at the golf course recorded nine inches,

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but many gauges in the area recorded 12 to 15,

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which is in excess of a design storm.

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Uh, manual records were sporadic, uh,

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for elevations of the ponds.

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We did not have elevations within five days,

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either side of the storm.

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So it was really challenging to try to draw in a conclusion,

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uh, from Irma, other than it was, it was a massive storm.

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And we know there was flooding, uh, hurricane Milton.

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Uh, the local gauge rain gauge indicated six inches of rain.

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And the, the adjacent gauges

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that I could find in the area were very pretty

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consistent with that.

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Um, manual records were much better during Milton recordings

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of the lake level were done the day before

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and day after the storm.

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And, uh, one of the portions of the, um, uh,

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project was to evaluate, did the,

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was the pond designed correctly.

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And an interesting thing,

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I ran calculations on Hurricane Milton,

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and the expected rise in the pond was 4.9 feet,

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and the actual rise recorded in the pond was 5.1.

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So there was really good correlation, uh, with

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what the design.

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Um, and, and, uh, during Hurricane Milton, the,

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the peak stage of the,

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the water in the pond was about the lowest grade.

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Uh, then they did record that.

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And, um, I've had heard, had heard

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that was observed as well.

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Um, the general assessment, um, we noted noticed prior

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to each storm, the water, uh, be at the beginning

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of the storm was above DLW and that the design load water.

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And that means that the full pond storage was not available

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when the storm came.

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Um, it was noted that, um, the months leading up to Milton,

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there was, uh, considerably more rain than average.

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And my understanding, the beginning of the rainy season

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before arm was also really wet, which, um,

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would contribute to the, uh, pond levels being above the

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design and, um, assessment of where they were starting.

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Uh, another thing is, uh, discussions

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with CDD staff indicated that, uh,

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during Irma there was a pipe that floated

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that could have contributed, contributed to some of the, um,

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issues of the flooding.

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And in September 24, there was some work done on the system

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where, uh, when a contractor needs to work

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inside a pipe, they need it dry.

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So they'll put a plug in, uh, that separates the pond

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and they'll pump it out.

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Um, and the plug was accidentally left in.

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And my understanding is once the plug was released, uh,

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removed, the water

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that was in the streets went down very quickly.

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So, um, the, so the next step of this

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was to assess the additional storage options.

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Uh, if we could go to the next, to the last page.

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So our, our, essentially, our, our analysis

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of the data we had was that the pond was designed correctly,

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that it, it did, um, work

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as expected under the conditions that it was in.

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Um, so, uh, part of the contract was to look at,

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uh, what are options.

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Um, even though it seemed to be designed correctly,

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we looked at what are the options for volume expansion.

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Um, and we, we first looked at

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how much volume was deficient at the starting

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level before each storm.

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And, uh, our first

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crack at the pond expansion was looking at

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what are some options to not impact the golf course.

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Uh, this right here, um, is about one acre pond expansion.

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It would, uh, it,

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preliminary costs would be about $650,000 plus or minus,

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and it would provide about a quarter of the deficient volume

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in the, uh, from the higher water levels.

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Uh, the next, uh, exhibit was, um,

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uh, much larger.

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It took out holes, uh, the first eighth and ninth holes,

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and would approximately be about 1.5 to $2 million,

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uh, for the expansion.

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And this would not expand the water.

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Um, 'cause these pines are lined,

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which is a very expensive proposition to remove the liner

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and, and get into the liner.

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So this would be an expansion

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above the wa the normal water level.

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Um, and, uh, you know, so a lot of times it'd be dry.

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It wouldn't be the most, uh, pleasant looking

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pond I've ever designed,

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but, um, you know, would provide

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the volume based on the calculations.

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Um, the, uh, now, uh, the, the scope

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of the, the analysis was to look at bonds.

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Uh, however, I did notice that the,

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with Irma, we were missing data.

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So we did look at some of the things, options that we do

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in the newer areas.

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Uh, there's, like I mentioned briefly,

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there's a thing called S scada.

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Uh, essentially that is remote sensors that go back

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to the com compute, you know, to the web.

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And the managers can see it on their desktops.

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Uh, they can all set, they have manually operated valves,

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so they don't need to travel to the site

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to see what's going on or make adjustments.

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Um, those are pretty expensive,

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as I detail in the report as well.

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Um, the other thing we do is a storm water protocol, which

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permits are great in standards,

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but we try to take the design

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and run it through more real world scenarios, um,

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and give the storm the managers of ponds

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a little more information about, uh, as an example,

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the ponds at this level, how much rain can it handle

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and look at the system overall.

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So, uh, it's just, um, a little more

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of an instruction guide on the system that,

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that we're doing now in the newer areas with

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the additional processing power

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and computers that have evolved since, uh,

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this design was done stuff.

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Now, uh, that concludes the

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findings in the report.

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We also have, uh, Ryan from vi, he's, uh,

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been working on the systems for 22 years Yep.

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And, and can discuss some of the history

512
00:25:19.245 --> 00:25:20.365
of the ponds out here.

513
00:25:20.945 --> 00:25:23.205
Or I can answer questions if you'd like first.

514
00:25:24.785 --> 00:25:29.445
Um, boy, questions, I,

515
00:25:29.685 --> 00:25:32.525
I have some questions that I'd like to hear from ku, sir.

516
00:25:32.595 --> 00:25:33.405
Okay. First,

517
00:25:39.495 --> 00:25:40.165
hello everybody.

518
00:25:40.275 --> 00:25:44.205
Good afternoon. Uh, as, as Ron said, my name's Ryan Shoal.

519
00:25:44.525 --> 00:25:47.565
I, uh, represent cus water.

520
00:25:48.025 --> 00:25:51.125
And, uh, I have worked in this community now

521
00:25:51.125 --> 00:25:52.405
for nearly 22 years.

522
00:25:52.995 --> 00:25:55.925
I've had a hand in overseeing

523
00:25:55.925 --> 00:25:58.605
and managing the, the water use

524
00:25:58.745 --> 00:26:03.005
and the consumptive use permitting of District four

525
00:26:03.265 --> 00:26:04.325
and in this area.

526
00:26:04.945 --> 00:26:08.525
So I just, you know, obviously read the report,

527
00:26:09.435 --> 00:26:11.205
been involved and understand what happened was here

528
00:26:11.205 --> 00:26:14.605
during Irma, um, and years previous.

529
00:26:14.785 --> 00:26:18.285
And I, I just, I just want to say in managing the system

530
00:26:19.455 --> 00:26:24.355
and the basin in question, uh, the, the,

531
00:26:24.415 --> 00:26:27.235
the issues we've run into in the last

532
00:26:28.355 --> 00:26:29.595
whatever this last year,

533
00:26:30.015 --> 00:26:32.795
and then even the ones you're talking about with, with Irma,

534
00:26:33.895 --> 00:26:36.155
as far as I'm aware, we've never dealt with

535
00:26:36.655 --> 00:26:37.955
and had issues with before.

536
00:26:37.975 --> 00:26:41.715
And we've been through plenty of wet periods, um,

537
00:26:43.185 --> 00:26:44.685
uh, exceptionally wet periods.

538
00:26:44.825 --> 00:26:49.645
And, um, I'm now, Irma was, was quite unique.

539
00:26:49.785 --> 00:26:52.525
It was, um, unprecedented around here.

540
00:26:52.685 --> 00:26:55.845
I myself had never been through every anything like that and

541
00:26:55.845 --> 00:26:57.845
nor have I since, uh, working here.

542
00:26:57.865 --> 00:27:01.005
So seeing what we saw after Irma and,

543
00:27:01.185 --> 00:27:04.245
and even considering we had a, a floated pipe

544
00:27:04.825 --> 00:27:08.165
at some point in time during that, I feel like the system

545
00:27:08.915 --> 00:27:10.485
behaved exceptionally well.

546
00:27:11.185 --> 00:27:14.405
Uh, and, and the conditions we saw out in the roads

547
00:27:14.405 --> 00:27:17.965
and everything were not unique to this community as that,

548
00:27:18.945 --> 00:27:23.405
you know, the circumstances around Irma were far more than,

549
00:27:23.945 --> 00:27:27.005
uh, a hundred year storm or a 25 year storm.

550
00:27:27.105 --> 00:27:32.085
Any, anything that our system is designed around, um, it was

551
00:27:32.685 --> 00:27:34.125
increasingly wet, right?

552
00:27:34.125 --> 00:27:36.885
Leading up to the storm basin levels

553
00:27:37.065 --> 00:27:39.445
around across the community were already elevated.

554
00:27:39.585 --> 00:27:41.845
We were working hard to mitigate that.

555
00:27:41.865 --> 00:27:44.525
And then we got a greater than a hundred year

556
00:27:44.525 --> 00:27:46.125
storm on top of it.

557
00:27:46.265 --> 00:27:50.325
So, um, in my mind, the system did what it was designed

558
00:27:50.325 --> 00:27:54.885
to do, which is, uh, when you get a storm that's greater

559
00:27:55.905 --> 00:27:58.645
in intensity than the system's even designed to handle

560
00:27:59.425 --> 00:28:02.725
in a perfect situation, it, you know, backs up,

561
00:28:02.725 --> 00:28:03.925
it overflows those banks

562
00:28:03.925 --> 00:28:05.165
and it backs up into the storm

563
00:28:05.165 --> 00:28:06.245
limits, comes out of the road.

564
00:28:06.945 --> 00:28:09.325
And as long as nobody's homes were flooded,

565
00:28:09.325 --> 00:28:13.405
which my understanding was the case, it was the success, um,

566
00:28:13.745 --> 00:28:15.125
the system behaved well.

567
00:28:16.065 --> 00:28:20.605
Um, and then the situation more recently

568
00:28:21.145 --> 00:28:22.285
around Milton and even

569
00:28:22.285 --> 00:28:25.365
before where we had a plug in the storm system

570
00:28:25.385 --> 00:28:27.365
and that kind of speaks for itself.

571
00:28:28.065 --> 00:28:30.485
Um, the water's got nowhere to go really.

572
00:28:30.545 --> 00:28:31.885
And so it's just gonna back up.

573
00:28:31.945 --> 00:28:36.365
So, so I feel like these recent circumstances were more

574
00:28:37.165 --> 00:28:39.205
anomalous as, again, I've never seen

575
00:28:39.945 --> 00:28:42.685
or heard of any other issues like this in the

576
00:28:42.685 --> 00:28:43.965
22 years I've been here before.

577
00:28:44.585 --> 00:28:48.645
Um, we've always been able to, you know, do our best

578
00:28:48.645 --> 00:28:51.485
with managing it the way the, the way it's set up.

579
00:28:52.025 --> 00:28:56.525
Um, I would like to say though, I do, I do, uh,

580
00:28:57.285 --> 00:29:01.725
I do like Ron Ferris's, the, the engineer's recommendation

581
00:29:01.785 --> 00:29:04.685
of developing a storm water protocol for the area.

582
00:29:05.125 --> 00:29:07.925
I don't think that would be a bad idea to have a, a,

583
00:29:07.925 --> 00:29:11.845
a better understanding of, um, the,

584
00:29:11.945 --> 00:29:15.845
the system under certain circumstances leading into a

585
00:29:16.115 --> 00:29:17.765
potential storm event or whatever.

586
00:29:17.865 --> 00:29:22.005
So, um, I would, I would definitely advocate for that,

587
00:29:22.025 --> 00:29:23.245
but that's up to you guys, but,

588
00:29:23.705 --> 00:29:27.445
but I just want to try to provide some more, uh,

589
00:29:28.715 --> 00:29:31.485
comfort and let you know that in my years what I've seen,

590
00:29:31.725 --> 00:29:36.005
I think the storm system in this area works well.

591
00:29:36.665 --> 00:29:40.765
So, okay, guys.

592
00:29:41.445 --> 00:29:44.365
Questions done.

593
00:29:46.425 --> 00:29:48.525
Um, first of all,

594
00:29:51.725 --> 00:29:53.525
I, I am hearing everything that you said,

595
00:29:54.145 --> 00:29:55.245
and I'm, I'm hearing

596
00:29:55.245 --> 00:29:57.205
that there were two contributing factors.

597
00:29:57.985 --> 00:29:59.285
One was a floating pipe

598
00:29:59.305 --> 00:30:02.725
and the other was a plug that was left in, in addition

599
00:30:03.225 --> 00:30:06.165
to the abnormally high levels of brain

600
00:30:06.165 --> 00:30:08.165
that we had gotten prior to the storms.

601
00:30:09.145 --> 00:30:12.405
And, and so you're correct, I think in those assessments

602
00:30:12.985 --> 00:30:15.605
as being major contributing factors.

603
00:30:16.555 --> 00:30:20.965
However, um, there have been complaints over the years,

604
00:30:22.105 --> 00:30:24.325
um, about Arlington,

605
00:30:24.385 --> 00:30:28.405
the water coming down from Arlington Loop in that area,

606
00:30:29.145 --> 00:30:31.325
and they're coming over the curbs

607
00:30:31.585 --> 00:30:34.725
and through the yards of the houses that are

608
00:30:34.725 --> 00:30:36.085
below Arlington loop

609
00:30:36.665 --> 00:30:40.285
and down onto the cul-de-sac that is below.

610
00:30:41.025 --> 00:30:45.045
And, and that has been a common issue for those people

611
00:30:45.075 --> 00:30:48.685
that live in that stretch of homes, um,

612
00:30:49.195 --> 00:30:52.165
between Arlington Loop and that cul-de-sac.

613
00:30:52.985 --> 00:30:54.365
And, and so that's one of the things

614
00:30:54.365 --> 00:30:56.685
that they have continued to bring to our attention.

615
00:30:57.545 --> 00:31:01.405
And I don't know whether, uh, that was recognized

616
00:31:01.465 --> 00:31:03.405
and addressed or not in your studies.

617
00:31:05.465 --> 00:31:09.645
Um, As I look at these two pictures,

618
00:31:11.365 --> 00:31:15.005
I see that the first picture

619
00:31:16.225 --> 00:31:19.685
is an expansion of the pond without interfering

620
00:31:20.155 --> 00:31:23.765
with the holes eight and nine of the executive golf courts.

621
00:31:24.845 --> 00:31:27.725
I see the third one and, and it's 600

622
00:31:27.785 --> 00:31:31.035
and some change, um, to do that.

623
00:31:31.775 --> 00:31:36.195
The other one compromises the, those golf courses

624
00:31:36.375 --> 00:31:38.915
and it probably would be outta play a lot of the time.

625
00:31:39.575 --> 00:31:42.715
And we've had some issues with that over the years as well.

626
00:31:42.865 --> 00:31:45.955
Amberwood frequently was getting shut down

627
00:31:46.425 --> 00:31:50.115
because not only in this area, um,

628
00:31:50.415 --> 00:31:53.315
but also in other holes in other areas.

629
00:31:54.615 --> 00:31:59.485
And, and then there was a, there was a golf cart path there

630
00:31:59.485 --> 00:32:03.765
between hole eight and nine, which frequently was flooded,

631
00:32:03.905 --> 00:32:05.405
and they shut it down because of that.

632
00:32:05.745 --> 00:32:10.325
So they ended up elevating that cart path

633
00:32:10.865 --> 00:32:12.565
to try and keep that area open.

634
00:32:13.505 --> 00:32:15.805
And I don't know if those were taken into account,

635
00:32:18.185 --> 00:32:19.925
what's, what I'm not hearing

636
00:32:21.545 --> 00:32:23.525
and I'd, I'd like to go back to page four

637
00:32:24.385 --> 00:32:26.565
if we can to that map.

638
00:32:31.305 --> 00:32:35.525
It goes on 3, 3, 3. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's alright. Three.

639
00:32:40.195 --> 00:32:41.485
Okay. I am looking at the bronze.

640
00:32:42.015 --> 00:32:43.125
There it is. It's up there.

641
00:32:44.245 --> 00:32:46.335
Yeah. Okay. I just need to get to that.

642
00:32:53.795 --> 00:32:58.095
On this map on the west side is pond

643
00:32:59.095 --> 00:33:00.295
identified as B one.

644
00:33:01.875 --> 00:33:04.695
And, um, at, at this point in time,

645
00:33:05.885 --> 00:33:10.215
pond B one, um, was recently renovated

646
00:33:11.235 --> 00:33:14.255
and it hole number seven,

647
00:33:15.345 --> 00:33:19.575
which is right there at the east end of that pond,

648
00:33:20.565 --> 00:33:22.185
is frequently overflowing.

649
00:33:22.245 --> 00:33:27.065
Its banks. And the Gulf Department

650
00:33:27.085 --> 00:33:32.065
was not aware of that issue until after the renovation.

651
00:33:32.085 --> 00:33:33.465
And they said, oh, well that should have been

652
00:33:33.465 --> 00:33:36.015
corrected, but it wasn't.

653
00:33:36.955 --> 00:33:39.415
And, uh, then they said, well,

654
00:33:39.415 --> 00:33:41.975
it would require all new permitting to,

655
00:33:42.005 --> 00:33:45.815
because the suggestion was to that that side is low

656
00:33:46.915 --> 00:33:49.655
and, uh, it needs to be raised up

657
00:33:49.655 --> 00:33:53.535
because over half the fairway is not usable.

658
00:33:54.555 --> 00:33:58.375
And so the suggestion was to elevate that side

659
00:33:58.375 --> 00:34:02.135
of the fairway, and the response was that, well,

660
00:34:02.135 --> 00:34:04.335
that would require new engineering and so on

661
00:34:04.335 --> 00:34:06.975
and have all these other expenses connected to it.

662
00:34:08.255 --> 00:34:12.575
I have to wonder if we could kill two birds with one stone

663
00:34:13.515 --> 00:34:15.095
by looking at pond one

664
00:34:16.285 --> 00:34:20.865
and correcting that situation to improve amberwood

665
00:34:21.165 --> 00:34:23.145
to where it should have been to begin with,

666
00:34:23.805 --> 00:34:26.785
and should have gotten that attention during the renovation

667
00:34:27.365 --> 00:34:30.585
to alleviate some of the demands

668
00:34:30.705 --> 00:34:34.385
that you are looking at making on pa on, uh,

669
00:34:34.455 --> 00:34:35.665
hold eight nine.

670
00:34:36.605 --> 00:34:39.745
Um, the problem here is that

671
00:34:41.255 --> 00:34:44.145
that would probably involve the A a C

672
00:34:44.495 --> 00:34:47.105
because a, the amending authority committee,

673
00:34:47.105 --> 00:34:51.145
because they're in charge of the recreation program,

674
00:34:51.275 --> 00:34:53.305
which would include AMBERWOOD golf course.

675
00:34:54.365 --> 00:34:58.385
Um, so part of the solution might be a shared cost

676
00:34:58.895 --> 00:35:02.625
between the A a C and District four,

677
00:35:03.085 --> 00:35:07.465
but we would maybe divide the cost for accomplished

678
00:35:07.975 --> 00:35:09.985
killing two birds with one stone.

679
00:35:10.965 --> 00:35:13.705
And I'd like to get your reaction to some

680
00:35:13.705 --> 00:35:15.185
of the things I just commented on.

681
00:35:15.935 --> 00:35:20.065
I'll do my best. Um, the, uh, the conveyance, uh,

682
00:35:20.505 --> 00:35:24.505
question about, um, the water running down the road, uh,

683
00:35:24.505 --> 00:35:27.225
where, where the first comment, uh,

684
00:35:27.525 --> 00:35:31.585
we had actually presented a, a second proposal to look at

685
00:35:31.585 --> 00:35:34.465
that, and it was decided to look at the pond volumes.

686
00:35:34.805 --> 00:35:37.805
Uh, so that was not considered in this analysis.

687
00:35:38.625 --> 00:35:42.845
Um, the pond expansion that I was showing, uh,

688
00:35:42.935 --> 00:35:45.445
especially the larger version of it,

689
00:35:46.295 --> 00:35:48.245
those holes would not be playable,

690
00:35:48.675 --> 00:35:51.125
that they would be just above the water level.

691
00:35:51.785 --> 00:35:53.605
So it would normally be wet.

692
00:35:54.145 --> 00:35:58.045
And, and when you have lar just in full disclosure,

693
00:35:58.315 --> 00:36:01.445
when you have large, I was assuming to get that volume

694
00:36:01.475 --> 00:36:02.925
that the bottom would be flat,

695
00:36:03.065 --> 00:36:05.005
so it would flood out very soon.

696
00:36:05.905 --> 00:36:09.205
And those can be tough to maintain because they get muddy

697
00:36:09.505 --> 00:36:10.965
and the zero turn sink in.

698
00:36:11.625 --> 00:36:16.485
So I'm not sure, you know, it was, it was more to present

699
00:36:16.595 --> 00:36:21.405
what I felt, um, not necessarily to, um, you know,

700
00:36:21.525 --> 00:36:22.605
I don't know that it's viable.

701
00:36:23.025 --> 00:36:26.965
Uh, that's, you know, up to the board, obviously, um, the,

702
00:36:27.305 --> 00:36:31.405
the, uh, but yeah, I wouldn't, I, it would be a full impact

703
00:36:31.405 --> 00:36:35.725
to those golf holes I listed, um, which, you know,

704
00:36:35.785 --> 00:36:37.365
is an issue and I understand that.

705
00:36:37.625 --> 00:36:42.485
Um, the other thing about, um, uh,

706
00:36:42.915 --> 00:36:47.165
combining projects, uh, that, that probably could be done,

707
00:36:47.825 --> 00:36:52.005
um, at, at a minimum the same consultant you select

708
00:36:52.025 --> 00:36:55.045
to look at those things, uh, could do both.

709
00:36:55.265 --> 00:36:57.725
But the water management district, if they're not adjacent

710
00:36:57.785 --> 00:37:00.725
to each other, they may require separate submittals,

711
00:37:01.025 --> 00:37:03.045
but there would definitely be some savings

712
00:37:03.745 --> 00:37:06.365
by having a single engineer look at the overall area.

713
00:37:07.705 --> 00:37:10.565
And I apologize, did I miss something?

714
00:37:10.825 --> 00:37:11.825
Uh, any other comments?

715
00:37:13.145 --> 00:37:15.005
Um, I, I think you covered them.

716
00:37:15.755 --> 00:37:19.525
What compromise would there be to the golf course

717
00:37:20.715 --> 00:37:23.085
with the first picture that you had here?

718
00:37:23.975 --> 00:37:25.115
Uh, what I was assuming,

719
00:37:25.295 --> 00:37:29.235
and these are, these are very preliminary, so, uh,

720
00:37:29.415 --> 00:37:34.355
we do not have topography, uh, any of that data to, to go in

721
00:37:34.355 --> 00:37:35.595
and do do this work.

722
00:37:36.255 --> 00:37:40.395
Uh, but I had assumed, um, uh,

723
00:37:41.225 --> 00:37:44.035
bulkheads around all of these, which is a,

724
00:37:44.095 --> 00:37:45.955
it can be a challenge to permit

725
00:37:46.025 --> 00:37:49.355
because they, they worry about people falling off 'em.

726
00:37:49.895 --> 00:37:51.395
Um, the, uh,

727
00:37:52.135 --> 00:37:56.915
but it was trying to find areas that, that, you know,

728
00:37:56.915 --> 00:37:58.075
didn't impact golf.

729
00:37:58.495 --> 00:38:00.315
Uh, we might, you know, as you can see,

730
00:38:00.985 --> 00:38:03.115
they're very, a little schematic.

731
00:38:03.235 --> 00:38:05.435
I don't have topography, so I don't know,

732
00:38:06.345 --> 00:38:10.075
aerials don't always line up with the actual survey data,

733
00:38:10.455 --> 00:38:12.555
you know, they're, 'cause the, the angles,

734
00:38:13.135 --> 00:38:17.115
but, um, I, it was kind of, it was drawn off of aerials

735
00:38:17.455 --> 00:38:18.755
to estimate the volume.

736
00:38:18.935 --> 00:38:22.315
So, uh, it would definitely, you know, for this,

737
00:38:23.045 --> 00:38:26.475
you'd still want to, uh, get in touch with, you know,

738
00:38:26.595 --> 00:38:30.875
a golf cart, golf course architect to, to update greens

739
00:38:31.095 --> 00:38:34.915
and things and work with a, um, work with us on the design

740
00:38:36.185 --> 00:38:37.325
or whoever you select.

741
00:38:38.305 --> 00:38:41.445
And at this point then we don't have any idea.

742
00:38:42.265 --> 00:38:47.205
It, it could be possible that changing the,

743
00:38:48.265 --> 00:38:53.165
uh, capacity of the pond B one

744
00:38:53.245 --> 00:38:57.405
that you've identified here might alleviate doing anything

745
00:38:58.425 --> 00:38:59.685
at holes eight and nine.

746
00:39:00.635 --> 00:39:02.765
Yeah, the, the scope of the project and,

747
00:39:02.865 --> 00:39:05.165
and the issues in Pond B one were not,

748
00:39:05.425 --> 00:39:06.645
you know, I wasn't aware of those.

749
00:39:06.825 --> 00:39:10.965
So there is a possibility that some of that water during,

750
00:39:11.225 --> 00:39:15.245
uh, Irma overflowed and contributed to some of the issues.

751
00:39:15.865 --> 00:39:19.045
Uh, we did see very good correlate correlation,

752
00:39:19.665 --> 00:39:23.085
so maybe B one did not overflow in Milton,

753
00:39:23.375 --> 00:39:24.685
which made it make sense.

754
00:39:24.785 --> 00:39:27.725
And then it was worse with overflow during Irma.

755
00:39:27.765 --> 00:39:29.565
I wasn't aware of that. Um,

756
00:39:30.865 --> 00:39:34.045
but, uh, you know, it would be part of the overall analysis,

757
00:39:34.165 --> 00:39:37.085
a much more detailed updated analysis of the system

758
00:39:37.265 --> 00:39:40.445
to verify do you still need volume

759
00:39:40.745 --> 00:39:42.685
or, you know, are there other options?

760
00:39:43.435 --> 00:39:45.765
Yeah, I, I realize as well

761
00:39:46.865 --> 00:39:51.765
and wanna remind everyone that all the homeowners around all

762
00:39:51.765 --> 00:39:56.045
of these ponds paid a very high premium

763
00:39:56.625 --> 00:40:00.245
for their lots, and they expected that they were going

764
00:40:00.245 --> 00:40:03.565
to have reasonable golf

765
00:40:03.825 --> 00:40:05.605
and water frontage.

766
00:40:06.665 --> 00:40:11.365
And, uh, it concerns me that if, if we end up

767
00:40:11.365 --> 00:40:15.125
with muddy backyards like that and,

768
00:40:15.145 --> 00:40:18.365
and the golf course being compromised significantly,

769
00:40:19.055 --> 00:40:22.965
those people are gonna be extremely unhappy about losing

770
00:40:24.405 --> 00:40:26.525
whatever premium value they may have had.

771
00:40:27.075 --> 00:40:29.365
Yeah. And that's why I brought it up is there's,

772
00:40:29.595 --> 00:40:33.605
there's a balance in the, in, in all this that, um,

773
00:40:34.585 --> 00:40:37.285
you know, that if the decision needs,

774
00:40:37.305 --> 00:40:40.285
the engineer needs the guidance on how we,

775
00:40:40.465 --> 00:40:41.725
you know, you'd like it to look.

776
00:40:42.265 --> 00:40:45.925
Um, but uh, it's important to bring up those aspects of

777
00:40:46.515 --> 00:40:48.205
this overall issue.

778
00:40:48.435 --> 00:40:50.005
Okay. I have a follow up question.

779
00:40:50.585 --> 00:40:52.445
You talked about, uh, I know

780
00:40:52.445 --> 00:40:54.925
that we have a manual connection between B one

781
00:40:55.025 --> 00:40:59.725
and B, um, pond around hole eight and nine,

782
00:41:00.305 --> 00:41:04.565
and I think to the two ponds along, uh, hole one

783
00:41:04.565 --> 00:41:06.285
and two, there are two more ponds.

784
00:41:07.145 --> 00:41:11.845
Um, but what would be, um,

785
00:41:12.025 --> 00:41:16.325
an estimate of going from those manual connections

786
00:41:16.985 --> 00:41:19.685
to the higher tech valving that's now being done

787
00:41:20.345 --> 00:41:21.645
in the newer areas?

788
00:41:23.425 --> 00:41:26.485
Uh, let me just so I don't misquote it.

789
00:41:26.725 --> 00:41:30.725
I did talk to our utility person on this issue

790
00:41:31.465 --> 00:41:35.605
and you would not, I don't believe you'd necessarily want

791
00:41:35.605 --> 00:41:37.125
to do the manual or the,

792
00:41:37.145 --> 00:41:40.325
the motor operated valves without sensors also.

793
00:41:40.985 --> 00:41:44.685
So the, uh, each pond, uh,

794
00:41:45.905 --> 00:41:48.765
uh, se the, the sensor readings, uh,

795
00:41:49.265 --> 00:41:53.565
are typically about $60,000, 70,000 depending on

796
00:41:54.705 --> 00:41:58.525
how, where communication in, uh, infrastructure's available

797
00:41:58.945 --> 00:42:02.085
and some of the nuances with building it.

798
00:42:02.425 --> 00:42:05.605
Uh, do we need new structures or can we use an existing one?

799
00:42:06.145 --> 00:42:10.245
Um, uh, just there's, there's a lot that goes into that.

800
00:42:10.905 --> 00:42:13.485
And each, uh, motor operated valve

801
00:42:13.485 --> 00:42:15.045
that could be controlled remotely.

802
00:42:16.025 --> 00:42:18.725
And I, I hate to give you this, it sounds like,

803
00:42:18.805 --> 00:42:20.685
I don't know the answer, but it's somewhere

804
00:42:20.685 --> 00:42:24.125
between a hundred and $175,000 per valve.

805
00:42:24.785 --> 00:42:28.605
It depends on a lot of things like the communications,

806
00:42:28.785 --> 00:42:33.165
but also the size of the pipe going a little bit bigger, uh,

807
00:42:33.305 --> 00:42:35.525
has a big increase in the valve cost.

808
00:42:37.255 --> 00:42:40.885
Thank you. And that's all I got right now. Okay.

809
00:42:41.275 --> 00:42:45.525
Anybody else? Yeah, two, two, uh, quick ones, uh,

810
00:42:46.265 --> 00:42:50.045
for our guy here that takes care of all these, we, um,

811
00:42:50.105 --> 00:42:53.785
yes sir, received a lot of, uh, discussion

812
00:42:55.745 --> 00:42:59.305
relative to the chemicals that are being used in the pools

813
00:42:59.925 --> 00:43:03.915
and the impact that's having on the type of piping,

814
00:43:04.775 --> 00:43:08.395
um, particularly that's running between pound ponds.

815
00:43:08.415 --> 00:43:11.435
Can you comment on whether you support that

816
00:43:11.575 --> 00:43:14.635
or, so you're talking about the, the chemicals

817
00:43:14.635 --> 00:43:18.275
that are being used to like for treating aquatic nuisance?

818
00:43:18.295 --> 00:43:23.235
Yes. That's honestly I not our area that's more deep.

819
00:43:23.905 --> 00:43:26.875
DPMs your property manager. I'd defer to Mike on that one.

820
00:43:26.905 --> 00:43:29.475
Just, uh, Mr. Harris to talk about Yeah, he's right

821
00:43:29.475 --> 00:43:31.075
behind you, so maybe he can come.

822
00:43:31.705 --> 00:43:32.555
Good afternoon board

823
00:43:32.555 --> 00:43:34.035
Mike Harris, district property management.

824
00:43:34.055 --> 00:43:35.515
Yes, we did discuss this in the past

825
00:43:35.775 --> 00:43:37.275
and it's, it's mainly fertilizers.

826
00:43:37.595 --> 00:43:40.155
Fertilizers are corrosive as we discussed before.

827
00:43:40.215 --> 00:43:43.275
If you see any fertilizer truck running down the road

828
00:43:43.275 --> 00:43:45.355
that's been on the, on the road for years, they,

829
00:43:45.355 --> 00:43:46.395
everything's rusted.

830
00:43:47.035 --> 00:43:48.315
'cause it is corrosive. So,

831
00:43:49.175 --> 00:43:50.595
and if you combine that

832
00:43:50.595 --> 00:43:53.675
with every resident in your area going down the storm drain,

833
00:43:53.675 --> 00:43:56.035
going through our storm water system, it's inevitable.

834
00:43:56.175 --> 00:43:59.555
It has some effect on metal pipe. Okay.

835
00:43:59.585 --> 00:44:03.075
Then the piping that's put in, uh, uh,

836
00:44:04.095 --> 00:44:06.435
if people know this is automatically gonna happen

837
00:44:06.465 --> 00:44:09.515
because you do get algae in every pond, uh,

838
00:44:09.575 --> 00:44:13.395
why are we using a type of piping, uh, that is

839
00:44:14.105 --> 00:44:18.075
conducive to being, uh, affected by the chemicals?

840
00:44:18.175 --> 00:44:20.435
So when this, when your area was developed, um,

841
00:44:20.805 --> 00:44:23.275
metal pipe was the standard now that

842
00:44:23.905 --> 00:44:27.035
over the years the HPD pipe, the, the poly pipe has,

843
00:44:27.135 --> 00:44:28.795
has been used across the board.

844
00:44:28.855 --> 00:44:30.835
So why did they do that back then?

845
00:44:31.125 --> 00:44:33.085
I, it was, it was just the way things were done.

846
00:44:33.155 --> 00:44:35.045
It's just like anything else

847
00:44:35.045 --> 00:44:36.925
that's updated from 20 years ago.

848
00:44:37.035 --> 00:44:39.165
It's just, it's just the nature of things

849
00:44:39.275 --> 00:44:42.965
that you go in Orlando, you go anywhere you find metal pipe.

850
00:44:43.225 --> 00:44:46.085
The good news is, is we've inspected a lot of your pipe

851
00:44:46.665 --> 00:44:48.205
and a lot of it's very good.

852
00:44:48.545 --> 00:44:52.285
So we do run into situations where we have some

853
00:44:52.285 --> 00:44:54.365
that are bad than, you know, worse than others.

854
00:44:54.875 --> 00:44:56.125
Okay. That's it. Um,

855
00:44:56.825 --> 00:44:59.765
and many of the championship courses have barriers on them.

856
00:45:00.025 --> 00:45:03.525
So I don't think barriers should be an issue at all if, uh,

857
00:45:03.525 --> 00:45:04.965
the decision is made to use them.

858
00:45:05.345 --> 00:45:09.045
If somebody falls off them, that's their problem.

859
00:45:09.785 --> 00:45:13.485
Um, all of our championship courses, um,

860
00:45:14.225 --> 00:45:17.605
in all the literature that goes out to the world about

861
00:45:18.115 --> 00:45:22.725
this place, the villages, uh, talks about the fact that, um,

862
00:45:23.505 --> 00:45:27.485
our championship courses primarily as well

863
00:45:27.485 --> 00:45:32.045
as the executive courses are designed to hold excess water.

864
00:45:32.625 --> 00:45:33.685
That's the literature.

865
00:45:34.425 --> 00:45:38.165
Um, is that all by pump or gravity?

866
00:45:38.525 --> 00:45:39.565
I guess I'd go back

867
00:45:39.625 --> 00:45:43.005
and say, you know, if it's by pump, okay, if it's

868
00:45:43.005 --> 00:45:44.885
by gravity, something's not working.

869
00:45:44.885 --> 00:45:46.165
Right. Yeah.

870
00:45:46.265 --> 00:45:50.885
And, um, related to that, um, just I have a saying,

871
00:45:51.005 --> 00:45:53.205
I tell my new engineers that start for me,

872
00:45:53.505 --> 00:45:58.085
nobody out engineers, mother nature, uh, she threw 20 inches

873
00:45:58.085 --> 00:45:59.805
of rain in six hours on use to,

874
00:45:59.825 --> 00:46:02.085
and no place can handle that.

875
00:46:03.065 --> 00:46:05.805
Uh, you know, I, I don't wanna say

876
00:46:06.345 --> 00:46:07.805
our houses are gonna flood here,

877
00:46:08.345 --> 00:46:11.725
but at some point you build an arc.

878
00:46:12.185 --> 00:46:15.605
No, the, the question was, the question was the water

879
00:46:15.665 --> 00:46:20.525
that's moved to the retention areas that are dry normally,

880
00:46:21.425 --> 00:46:24.325
is that being pumped there or is that a gravity?

881
00:46:25.105 --> 00:46:26.805
Uh, the majority is all gravity.

882
00:46:27.265 --> 00:46:31.445
Uh, we do have some pumps that are more used to

883
00:46:31.965 --> 00:46:33.165
transfer irrigation water,

884
00:46:33.625 --> 00:46:36.325
but it's not to take this, that hit of the storm.

885
00:46:36.665 --> 00:46:39.085
The storm is way too generally way too much

886
00:46:39.275 --> 00:46:40.365
flow for any pump.

887
00:46:41.665 --> 00:46:43.845
That's all I do. Yes, sir.

888
00:46:44.625 --> 00:46:47.445
I'd like to refer to the Arlington loop one pond, uh,

889
00:46:47.505 --> 00:46:50.165
one acre pond expansion expansion.

890
00:46:51.065 --> 00:46:54.485
And, and the question that I have is, as, as those expansion

891
00:46:54.485 --> 00:46:57.165
to get the water to the new area, is that being done

892
00:46:57.185 --> 00:47:01.045
by gravity, by changing in the topography of the land?

893
00:47:01.865 --> 00:47:04.045
Or is it it being piped pipe related?

894
00:47:04.385 --> 00:47:07.085
Uh, it would be changing the topography of the land.

895
00:47:07.225 --> 00:47:11.165
So what I was anticipating with that preliminary layout was

896
00:47:11.195 --> 00:47:13.765
that we would just expand the side of the pond out.

897
00:47:13.765 --> 00:47:18.405
That all those ways, uh, there was one on the north side,

898
00:47:18.405 --> 00:47:20.285
northeast side of the golf cart trail.

899
00:47:20.445 --> 00:47:22.965
I was anticipating putting some large culverts there

900
00:47:22.965 --> 00:47:24.605
that would equalize with gravity.

901
00:47:25.875 --> 00:47:29.405
Okay. The second question, based upon a reasonable degree

902
00:47:29.405 --> 00:47:32.685
of engineering certainty, will a work will the,

903
00:47:32.685 --> 00:47:34.325
will the one pond expansion work?

904
00:47:35.025 --> 00:47:36.205
We know we, we already know

905
00:47:36.205 --> 00:47:38.885
that the full pond expansion will work, but will this work?

906
00:47:39.665 --> 00:47:40.765
Uh, as you know,

907
00:47:40.805 --> 00:47:44.205
I mentioned in the report they we're looking at historical

908
00:47:44.275 --> 00:47:48.085
data and our problems were larger than design storms.

909
00:47:48.705 --> 00:47:52.685
So the term work is, um, subjective,

910
00:47:52.785 --> 00:47:56.765
but it would provide about 25% of the loss volume

911
00:47:56.835 --> 00:47:58.085
that was related to it.

912
00:47:58.145 --> 00:48:00.485
So it probably would've handled, uh,

913
00:48:00.485 --> 00:48:03.205
somewhere orano about another two inches of rain

914
00:48:03.585 --> 00:48:05.845
before it started flooding the roads.

915
00:48:07.395 --> 00:48:10.445
Okay. That, now, now saying that that combined with

916
00:48:10.445 --> 00:48:13.165
what Don brought up about the pond, that that one pond

917
00:48:13.165 --> 00:48:16.365
that was not working properly, is that going to,

918
00:48:16.365 --> 00:48:18.045
do you think that that could resolve our issues?

919
00:48:19.055 --> 00:48:22.355
Uh, well I didn't know anything about pond one overflowing,

920
00:48:22.355 --> 00:48:23.635
potentially overflowing.

921
00:48:23.695 --> 00:48:26.235
So it would be, uh, it would,

922
00:48:26.895 --> 00:48:29.875
if there's a possibility all these could come together

923
00:48:30.135 --> 00:48:33.515
and be closer to that, um, to,

924
00:48:33.575 --> 00:48:35.435
to, to having worked.

925
00:48:35.495 --> 00:48:39.395
But keep in mind that storm was likely bigger,

926
00:48:40.125 --> 00:48:42.035
quite a bit bigger than our design storm.

927
00:48:42.335 --> 00:48:45.315
And normally with permitting, um,

928
00:48:45.955 --> 00:48:49.195
'cause reviewers can be challenging at times, you,

929
00:48:49.375 --> 00:48:53.275
you generally give 'em calculations that have the minimum of

930
00:48:53.275 --> 00:48:55.235
what they need, their design standards,

931
00:48:55.775 --> 00:49:00.115
but you also design free board to give a little extra volume

932
00:49:00.295 --> 00:49:03.595
so you can sleep at night hoping this isn't the storm.

933
00:49:04.175 --> 00:49:05.395
Uh, and they did that.

934
00:49:05.395 --> 00:49:07.915
In this case, there was a little extra volume in the pond,

935
00:49:08.575 --> 00:49:10.555
uh, compared to the minimum.

936
00:49:11.215 --> 00:49:15.355
Um, but yes, I mean, when a full design has gone into,

937
00:49:16.105 --> 00:49:20.715
what I would do is include in the scope aspects, we want you

938
00:49:20.835 --> 00:49:24.275
to look at pond B one, see how much water likely float over

939
00:49:24.875 --> 00:49:27.515
'cause we can simulate storms that did happen.

940
00:49:28.415 --> 00:49:31.955
So, and look at how the, the various components combined

941
00:49:32.455 --> 00:49:34.275
and would it have performed better?

942
00:49:34.695 --> 00:49:37.835
And how much, now if I understood you correctly, the,

943
00:49:37.835 --> 00:49:42.075
the negative side of doing the one acre pond expansion is

944
00:49:42.145 --> 00:49:44.035
that you're gonna have some ugly areas, correct?

945
00:49:44.655 --> 00:49:45.915
Uh, the ugly areas

946
00:49:46.095 --> 00:49:49.755
and you're gonna lose, I believe holes one, eight

947
00:49:49.755 --> 00:49:51.515
and nine, if I recall correctly.

948
00:49:51.515 --> 00:49:53.035
Well, according to this, you're not,

949
00:49:53.335 --> 00:49:55.275
you're not impacting the, the holes at all.

950
00:49:55.295 --> 00:49:56.315
Oh, that one.

951
00:49:56.475 --> 00:49:59.115
I, I'm sorry, I thought you meant the full pond expansion.

952
00:49:59.135 --> 00:50:02.035
No, no. Okay. The one acre. Yeah. Yeah.

953
00:50:02.135 --> 00:50:05.315
Uh, there would be some adjustments to how those holes play.

954
00:50:05.775 --> 00:50:09.915
Um, the, you know, another thing that could be done

955
00:50:10.475 --> 00:50:12.835
possibly, but this greatly expands the cost of it,

956
00:50:13.255 --> 00:50:15.995
is the liners could be moved to make those water.

957
00:50:16.775 --> 00:50:19.275
Um, so they would look better,

958
00:50:19.855 --> 00:50:22.795
but it wouldn't surprise me if that doubled the cost

959
00:50:22.815 --> 00:50:26.955
or tripled the cost of the pond expansion saying that No,

960
00:50:27.065 --> 00:50:29.405
you, you're saying that you have to remove the liner,

961
00:50:29.925 --> 00:50:34.285
couldn't you take and, and reach down to where the liner is

962
00:50:35.065 --> 00:50:38.765
and electronically seal those, that additional liner

963
00:50:38.905 --> 00:50:40.725
so you wouldn't have to remove the base liner?

964
00:50:41.445 --> 00:50:44.285
I believe these were clay liners. Okay. Okay.

965
00:50:44.585 --> 00:50:47.485
And the other thing too that happens, um,

966
00:50:49.025 --> 00:50:52.965
for permitting, you look at standard design assumptions

967
00:50:52.965 --> 00:50:56.485
that the water management districts kind of dictate and,

968
00:50:56.625 --> 00:50:59.185
but the better engineers look at

969
00:50:59.245 --> 00:51:00.585
how is this really gonna perform?

970
00:51:01.205 --> 00:51:05.625
And we could potentially build a hump there in the liner

971
00:51:06.765 --> 00:51:08.985
and, but when the water's drawn down,

972
00:51:09.055 --> 00:51:11.065
when water runs over it, it's gonna erode

973
00:51:11.065 --> 00:51:12.705
and you'll constantly be fixing it.

974
00:51:13.125 --> 00:51:16.305
You know, so there's how the ponds work in the real world,

975
00:51:16.445 --> 00:51:20.025
and then how the design assumptions for permitting go.

976
00:51:20.725 --> 00:51:25.465
Uh, so ideally the whole thing would be lowered

977
00:51:25.725 --> 00:51:27.545
so you wouldn't have those erosion issues

978
00:51:27.575 --> 00:51:28.705
between the two areas.

979
00:51:29.485 --> 00:51:33.265
Uh, or if you needed a a cart path there,

980
00:51:33.515 --> 00:51:35.945
you'd put in a pipe that connected the two low areas

981
00:51:36.005 --> 00:51:37.425
so it wouldn't, over top of the road

982
00:51:37.845 --> 00:51:38.945
they'd equalized together.

983
00:51:39.455 --> 00:51:43.425
Okay. So once, once again, the one acre expansion appears

984
00:51:43.445 --> 00:51:44.785
to be a possibility.

985
00:51:47.255 --> 00:51:51.785
Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Okay. What is the,

986
00:51:53.515 --> 00:51:54.705
Based on what you said

987
00:51:56.125 --> 00:52:00.825
and thinking about the elevation around

988
00:52:01.415 --> 00:52:05.025
pond B one, those houses are, you know,

989
00:52:05.355 --> 00:52:08.185
quite a bit higher all the way around that pond.

990
00:52:09.265 --> 00:52:13.265
I was just talking about the north side of it,

991
00:52:14.045 --> 00:52:18.025
but I believe you could probably get

992
00:52:18.725 --> 00:52:21.905
one acre or more of capacity

993
00:52:23.105 --> 00:52:26.165
if you've just dealt with pond B one by itself

994
00:52:26.585 --> 00:52:31.125
and put in bulkheads to, to allow it to elevate.

995
00:52:32.025 --> 00:52:35.565
And, uh, that might solve the problem between that

996
00:52:35.945 --> 00:52:39.725
and eliminating floating pipes and plugs left in

997
00:52:39.825 --> 00:52:41.125
and, and so on.

998
00:52:42.145 --> 00:52:44.565
And, and I, I mean, there was a lot of things going on

999
00:52:44.565 --> 00:52:47.525
that were happening that all came together,

1000
00:52:48.425 --> 00:52:52.605
but I, I certainly think that we need to try to consider

1001
00:52:53.195 --> 00:52:55.405
that as one of the possibilities

1002
00:52:56.345 --> 00:52:59.005
and maybe, maybe we wanna do, uh,

1003
00:52:59.115 --> 00:53:01.685
motorized sensors if we can afford, but,

1004
00:53:04.475 --> 00:53:05.475
Okay.

1005
00:53:05.625 --> 00:53:07.485
So what does this board wish to do?

1006
00:53:08.695 --> 00:53:11.765
We've got the report, we've got the cost of

1007
00:53:11.765 --> 00:53:13.365
what is in this report,

1008
00:53:14.225 --> 00:53:17.605
And if, if I could, the, as Mr.

1009
00:53:17.965 --> 00:53:20.765
Ferris stated, there were different, uh, reports

1010
00:53:21.025 --> 00:53:23.245
or studies that we had talked about him doing,

1011
00:53:23.745 --> 00:53:27.325
and the, the one that you authorized him to do was

1012
00:53:27.325 --> 00:53:28.365
to determine whether

1013
00:53:28.425 --> 00:53:32.405
or not the pond capacity was, if it is

1014
00:53:32.465 --> 00:53:33.565
as it was designed,

1015
00:53:33.665 --> 00:53:35.965
and if it is functioning as it should be.

1016
00:53:36.505 --> 00:53:39.325
And can you either Mr. Shoal or Mr.

1017
00:53:39.605 --> 00:53:41.965
Ferris just answer those?

1018
00:53:42.605 --> 00:53:44.325
I mean, we have a great report with lots

1019
00:53:44.325 --> 00:53:46.645
of things we could do, but could you answer the,

1020
00:53:46.715 --> 00:53:48.165
that question pretty simply

1021
00:53:48.465 --> 00:53:50.885
and that, is it how it was designed

1022
00:53:51.065 --> 00:53:53.965
and is it functioning as it should be functioning

1023
00:53:54.065 --> 00:53:56.165
as they function throughout the entire villages?

1024
00:53:56.835 --> 00:53:59.965
Yeah, it, those, it's yes to both of those questions.

1025
00:54:00.465 --> 00:54:02.925
Uh, one thing that also, uh,

1026
00:54:03.465 --> 00:54:05.725
popped in my head a little history,

1027
00:54:06.265 --> 00:54:10.005
my understanding on Pond B one, there was a valve

1028
00:54:10.005 --> 00:54:14.125
that was stuck, so they could not drain that, that water

1029
00:54:15.495 --> 00:54:18.715
it for the recovery of pond B one may have come

1030
00:54:18.785 --> 00:54:21.955
that way anyway, you know, like orally down,

1031
00:54:21.985 --> 00:54:24.155
just not at the same time.

1032
00:54:24.895 --> 00:54:29.275
Uh, but yes, the, it, it conforms with the permit, uh,

1033
00:54:29.535 --> 00:54:32.355
and how it was designed in the, for the criteria at the

1034
00:54:32.355 --> 00:54:33.355
Time. And that valve

1035
00:54:33.355 --> 00:54:34.515
has been repaired

1036
00:54:34.535 --> 00:54:36.235
Now that's my understanding, but,

1037
00:54:36.375 --> 00:54:39.475
But amberwood, that hole is still

1038
00:54:39.505 --> 00:54:41.075
compromised on that fairway.

1039
00:54:43.855 --> 00:54:48.435
So I, I just wanted to, you know, to, to reinforce

1040
00:54:48.465 --> 00:54:51.155
that we asked them to do a very specific

1041
00:54:52.025 --> 00:54:53.155
task and they didn't.

1042
00:54:53.695 --> 00:54:57.115
And what they didn't look at is

1043
00:54:57.975 --> 00:55:00.835
the water going down the resident yards

1044
00:55:00.835 --> 00:55:03.515
and down the street, which I believe that they had said,

1045
00:55:03.515 --> 00:55:06.315
typically, as long as it's not encroaching the houses

1046
00:55:06.535 --> 00:55:10.155
and based on how fast it was raining, it, it happens.

1047
00:55:10.455 --> 00:55:13.275
And they still consider the storm water system

1048
00:55:13.795 --> 00:55:15.395
functioning as it should.

1049
00:55:16.025 --> 00:55:19.075
Even if that happens, even if water is running down the road

1050
00:55:19.135 --> 00:55:21.835
and running through the yards, as long as it's not

1051
00:55:22.595 --> 00:55:24.555
flooding houses, then they consider that.

1052
00:55:24.555 --> 00:55:26.875
And it goes within, I believe you said,

1053
00:55:26.915 --> 00:55:28.275
a couple days to a week.

1054
00:55:28.655 --> 00:55:31.275
It is still functioning as it is intended to do.

1055
00:55:31.935 --> 00:55:36.115
So we can certainly look at other options to,

1056
00:55:37.015 --> 00:55:38.315
to alleviate some of that.

1057
00:55:38.375 --> 00:55:41.955
But I just wanna make sure that for us, for staff

1058
00:55:41.985 --> 00:55:44.995
that we're clear, there's nothing necessarily wrong

1059
00:55:44.995 --> 00:55:46.835
with this system as functioning as it is.

1060
00:55:47.095 --> 00:55:50.195
And if you truly want to look into these, none of

1061
00:55:50.195 --> 00:55:51.875
that was vetted through with staff.

1062
00:55:51.945 --> 00:55:53.755
None of that has been vetted through with,

1063
00:55:53.945 --> 00:55:56.275
with anybody other than the tasks

1064
00:55:56.345 --> 00:55:57.835
that you asked them to perform.

1065
00:55:57.975 --> 00:56:00.355
And that's why he kept saying they're just preliminary

1066
00:56:00.545 --> 00:56:03.555
because we really haven't looked at the actual feasibility

1067
00:56:03.575 --> 00:56:05.035
of doing any of these things

1068
00:56:05.785 --> 00:56:08.155
because the answer to the question was, it was yes,

1069
00:56:08.155 --> 00:56:09.235
it's functioning correctly.

1070
00:56:11.265 --> 00:56:15.835
Sounded like, uh, you know, the two

1071
00:56:15.835 --> 00:56:17.395
of the things in the background here

1072
00:56:17.465 --> 00:56:20.835
that could have had a significant impact, uh,

1073
00:56:20.895 --> 00:56:22.155
are two maintenance issues.

1074
00:56:24.185 --> 00:56:28.405
So, uh, one, one was, uh, somebody didn't pull a plug

1075
00:56:28.985 --> 00:56:31.645
and the other one of, uh, valve wasn't working.

1076
00:56:32.705 --> 00:56:37.365
So it sounds like what we need is we need a reassessment

1077
00:56:38.305 --> 00:56:41.565
on the maintenance issue side of these ponds.

1078
00:56:42.505 --> 00:56:45.205
Um, as w well as, uh,

1079
00:56:45.525 --> 00:56:48.565
anything else we make look at down the, down the road,

1080
00:56:48.785 --> 00:56:51.725
but, um, these issues can be resolved.

1081
00:56:52.735 --> 00:56:56.245
Seems right away. Did you ever,

1082
00:57:02.725 --> 00:57:03.965
I am Ann McGovern

1083
00:57:04.025 --> 00:57:08.245
and I live at 1 7 2 9 5 Southeast Parkland Court,

1084
00:57:08.945 --> 00:57:12.165
and I keep hearing that our homes were not flooded

1085
00:57:12.825 --> 00:57:16.125
and I was with one of UCDD supervisors

1086
00:57:16.215 --> 00:57:18.645
after Irma the day after,

1087
00:57:19.625 --> 00:57:24.005
and the lanais across the street from us were flooded.

1088
00:57:24.745 --> 00:57:27.845
And our next door neighbor who lives on the corner lot,

1089
00:57:28.505 --> 00:57:32.365
her lanai was flooded and it had ruined mildew.

1090
00:57:32.865 --> 00:57:33.965
All of that goes on.

1091
00:57:34.585 --> 00:57:36.005
The other question I have,

1092
00:57:36.105 --> 00:57:40.205
or we concerned about the erosion with all the water

1093
00:57:40.995 --> 00:57:42.725
that comes through or sits.

1094
00:57:44.305 --> 00:57:48.565
So when we have these issues, water is sitting in our

1095
00:57:49.095 --> 00:57:51.765
yards across the street or whatever.

1096
00:57:51.925 --> 00:57:55.925
I know this past year, thank goodness we had a good, um,

1097
00:57:57.545 --> 00:58:01.565
season, but the one, every a hundred year storms,

1098
00:58:01.665 --> 00:58:04.685
we will be facing more per all the experts.

1099
00:58:06.025 --> 00:58:08.765
So there was flooding in the homes.

1100
00:58:09.085 --> 00:58:11.725
I was with one ECDC supervisors

1101
00:58:11.825 --> 00:58:15.965
and also Chuck that was here

1102
00:58:16.865 --> 00:58:19.525
at the time, and we did see flooding in the

1103
00:58:20.285 --> 00:58:22.725
lanai in the back of the legacy group.

1104
00:58:23.225 --> 00:58:24.225
Um,

1105
00:58:26.095 --> 00:58:27.095
Thank you.

1106
00:58:27.555 --> 00:58:30.685
Okay. So what, what does this board want to do?

1107
00:58:30.685 --> 00:58:35.325
We want to see is Mr. Murphy stated that it seems

1108
00:58:35.345 --> 00:58:37.165
to be more of a maintenance issue.

1109
00:58:38.165 --> 00:58:41.935
I I, let's give staff some kind of direction or put this,

1110
00:58:41.995 --> 00:58:45.375
but Carrie, Mr.

1111
00:58:45.615 --> 00:58:47.295
Chairman, based on what we've been given

1112
00:58:47.555 --> 00:58:52.015
and the task that they were given, um, my feeling is

1113
00:58:52.285 --> 00:58:57.095
that, um, the system is

1114
00:58:57.415 --> 00:58:59.655
designed to do what it was, is doing

1115
00:58:59.685 --> 00:59:01.135
what it was designed to do.

1116
00:59:01.755 --> 00:59:05.695
And I would certainly, uh, agree with Mr. Murphy in asking

1117
00:59:05.885 --> 00:59:09.335
that, uh, we put some type

1118
00:59:09.335 --> 00:59:12.095
of title guidelines on the maintenance to make sure

1119
00:59:12.095 --> 00:59:15.825
that these not routine things,

1120
00:59:15.925 --> 00:59:18.065
but these things that need to be taken care

1121
00:59:18.065 --> 00:59:22.085
of when they happen are taken care of, plugs pulled

1122
00:59:22.225 --> 00:59:23.445
and things like that.

1123
00:59:23.545 --> 00:59:27.485
But I i, I just cannot see us spending the kind of money

1124
00:59:27.755 --> 00:59:30.565
that they're talking about us spending, um,

1125
00:59:30.895 --> 00:59:31.925
under this scenario.

1126
00:59:34.655 --> 00:59:38.725
Thank you. Can any, can anybody, any of the, uh, Pearsons

1127
00:59:38.725 --> 00:59:41.245
that testified, give me an idea as

1128
00:59:41.265 --> 00:59:44.045
to do the one acre pond expansion expansion

1129
00:59:44.135 --> 00:59:45.685
where you're not having, you're just having

1130
00:59:45.685 --> 00:59:47.165
to do some topography changes.

1131
00:59:47.555 --> 00:59:48.965
What would be a cost factor on that?

1132
00:59:48.965 --> 00:59:50.725
And I, I know you're pulling it out of the sky.

1133
00:59:51.505 --> 00:59:55.325
Uh, that was the $650,000. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

1134
00:59:55.385 --> 00:59:58.405
Uh, plus or minus. Thank you. Okay.

1135
00:59:58.865 --> 01:00:00.525
So what is it that we wanna do?

1136
01:00:05.445 --> 01:00:10.165
I sort of, I sort of agree with Carrie that,

1137
01:00:10.745 --> 01:00:12.885
um, the system's doing what it's supposed to do

1138
01:00:13.385 --> 01:00:16.325
and if we have a maintenance issue, that's something we need

1139
01:00:16.405 --> 01:00:18.405
to jump on and correct,

1140
01:00:19.265 --> 01:00:21.645
but I just don't see

1141
01:00:22.265 --> 01:00:26.085
us spending $650,000 or any, or, or,

1142
01:00:26.385 --> 01:00:29.845
and that's just to start, believe me when I tell you, Mr.

1143
01:00:30.085 --> 01:00:32.725
Chairman, I, I would move that, uh, we accept the report

1144
01:00:33.425 --> 01:00:35.845
and, uh, take no action at this time.

1145
01:00:36.465 --> 01:00:38.125
Is that a motion that you made is a motion?

1146
01:00:38.265 --> 01:00:41.125
Do I have a second friendly, friendly amendment that,

1147
01:00:41.125 --> 01:00:43.365
that they go ahead and do the maintenance?

1148
01:00:46.445 --> 01:00:48.645
I thought they said it was already is had already been done.

1149
01:00:48.645 --> 01:00:50.605
Well, I just wanna make sure that, and, and,

1150
01:00:50.745 --> 01:00:53.845
and straightening out upon B may be one.

1151
01:00:57.625 --> 01:01:01.005
So the, the, the issues with not pulling the plug in,

1152
01:01:01.065 --> 01:01:03.245
in the broken valve, they have been corrected

1153
01:01:03.465 --> 01:01:07.085
and we did update the board back then we will go back though

1154
01:01:07.085 --> 01:01:10.445
and put together another, um, comprehensive overview of

1155
01:01:10.445 --> 01:01:12.405
what happened and how we will ensure

1156
01:01:12.405 --> 01:01:13.485
that it doesn't happen again.

1157
01:01:13.865 --> 01:01:15.925
And we'll provide that to the board as a follow up.

1158
01:01:18.555 --> 01:01:21.485
Okay. So yeah, I, I'm, I'm sorry, mark, I, I didn't,

1159
01:01:22.375 --> 01:01:25.045
there was an issue with Pond B one

1160
01:01:25.875 --> 01:01:27.325
that Don brought up, correct?

1161
01:01:27.755 --> 01:01:31.455
That was correct. And has that been correct? It has not.

1162
01:01:31.525 --> 01:01:36.055
Okay. Oh no, the valve has been corrected. Okay. Alright.

1163
01:01:36.055 --> 01:01:37.575
That, that's all I wanna make sure. Thank you.

1164
01:01:37.675 --> 01:01:40.375
No, yeah, the valve is no longer stuck.

1165
01:01:40.475 --> 01:01:42.415
It is working as it should. Right?

1166
01:01:42.415 --> 01:01:45.295
So my mo so my motion stands Okay, I'll second it. Okay.

1167
01:01:45.835 --> 01:01:49.855
Um, all in favor? Aye. Aye. All of opposed? Okay.

1168
01:01:50.515 --> 01:01:52.855
The step is the direction. Thank you. Thank you guys.

1169
01:01:53.765 --> 01:01:56.615
Okay, next is consent agenda.

1170
01:01:57.335 --> 01:01:59.855
A motion to approve the consent agenda is a motion

1171
01:01:59.875 --> 01:02:01.655
to approve all recommended actions

1172
01:02:02.955 --> 01:02:04.535
all matters on the consent agenda.

1173
01:02:05.015 --> 01:02:07.255
Consider routine and no discussion is required.

1174
01:02:07.915 --> 01:02:10.895
Enlist desired by a board member or a member of the public.

1175
01:02:11.845 --> 01:02:15.215
Does anybody wish on the consented agenda? Two.

1176
01:02:15.375 --> 01:02:18.705
A, B, C, D, E, or F polt?

1177
01:02:19.185 --> 01:02:22.165
Don two, B, C and D.

1178
01:02:23.525 --> 01:02:26.925
B. C and D. Okay.

1179
01:02:27.065 --> 01:02:30.405
And I would like f po. Okay.

1180
01:02:30.685 --> 01:02:33.045
'cause I have some comments i I wish to make. Okay.

1181
01:02:33.045 --> 01:02:34.325
So can I get a motion to,

1182
01:02:37.425 --> 01:02:40.045
can I get a motion to approve two A and two E?

1183
01:02:40.305 --> 01:02:43.205
So moved. All in favor? Aye.

1184
01:02:43.425 --> 01:02:47.925
Aye. All opposed? Okay, so two be done.

1185
01:02:49.185 --> 01:02:53.925
Um, yes. And I had a conversation with Mike Harris,

1186
01:02:54.865 --> 01:02:56.045
um, previously,

1187
01:02:57.145 --> 01:03:01.765
and then looking at these three, they're all the same.

1188
01:03:01.795 --> 01:03:03.205
They, they deal with mill

1189
01:03:03.205 --> 01:03:07.365
and overlay of, uh, units 62, 63

1190
01:03:07.385 --> 01:03:11.125
and 64, which would include Arlington loop,

1191
01:03:12.305 --> 01:03:14.005
um, Hazelwood Loop,

1192
01:03:15.345 --> 01:03:18.805
and uh, Creekside Circle, I believe.

1193
01:03:18.825 --> 01:03:20.165
Is that correct, Mike? That

1194
01:03:20.165 --> 01:03:21.165
Is correct.

1195
01:03:21.465 --> 01:03:26.005
And um, the first question I had

1196
01:03:26.345 --> 01:03:28.565
for Mike was that

1197
01:03:29.145 --> 01:03:33.165
I'm getting mixed reports from the residents about the need

1198
01:03:33.545 --> 01:03:34.685
for mill and overlay.

1199
01:03:35.235 --> 01:03:39.245
Some residents are saying, really, they, they wanna come in

1200
01:03:39.245 --> 01:03:40.365
and do a mill and overlay

1201
01:03:40.785 --> 01:03:43.405
and others are saying, I don't like the way it looks.

1202
01:03:44.105 --> 01:03:46.045
And, uh, they, they want it done.

1203
01:03:46.665 --> 01:03:50.845
So I'm getting a kind of a 50 50 on that, or six, seven.

1204
01:03:52.865 --> 01:03:56.485
Um, anyway, um, so that was the first thing.

1205
01:03:56.505 --> 01:04:00.405
So Mike, can you address the, the, uh, condition

1206
01:04:00.405 --> 01:04:02.005
of these three areas?

1207
01:04:02.345 --> 01:04:05.685
Yes, sir. So as, as we spoke, um, you all are aware

1208
01:04:05.685 --> 01:04:08.445
that we were tasked, we got the pavement assessment done,

1209
01:04:08.705 --> 01:04:11.005
and we were tasked with building a CIP

1210
01:04:11.025 --> 01:04:14.045
to get the roads taken care of in, in district four.

1211
01:04:14.555 --> 01:04:16.565
That was approximately six years ago.

1212
01:04:16.705 --> 01:04:18.925
And at the, at the time of that inspection,

1213
01:04:19.415 --> 01:04:23.325
these three areas fall in the 61, I'm sorry, the 41

1214
01:04:23.325 --> 01:04:27.165
to 60 60% range, which is low to fare.

1215
01:04:27.305 --> 01:04:31.085
So that is way lower than our standards anywhere else,

1216
01:04:31.095 --> 01:04:34.045
which is 70, it's 70, it triggers mill and overlay. So

1217
01:04:34.645 --> 01:04:36.685
I, I, Again,

1218
01:04:36.705 --> 01:04:39.405
we we'll do whatever the board directs us to do.

1219
01:04:39.595 --> 01:04:40.885
This plan was set in place

1220
01:04:40.905 --> 01:04:42.725
and it's been moved a little bit when we needed to,

1221
01:04:42.825 --> 01:04:46.405
but we're on track right now to pick up where we're at

1222
01:04:46.405 --> 01:04:48.405
to get the mill the roads taken care of

1223
01:04:48.405 --> 01:04:51.045
because their ratings are far lower than

1224
01:04:51.045 --> 01:04:53.045
what we see across the rest of the

1225
01:04:53.045 --> 01:04:54.045
Community. Yeah.

1226
01:04:54.045 --> 01:04:55.485
And, and we recognize

1227
01:04:55.595 --> 01:04:58.965
that we have been pushing our road projects down the road,

1228
01:04:59.745 --> 01:05:02.325
uh, because of budget challenges.

1229
01:05:03.145 --> 01:05:06.725
Um, so I appreciate you giving assist report.

1230
01:05:07.505 --> 01:05:11.045
The second major issue I have is

1231
01:05:11.235 --> 01:05:15.005
that these were bid as separate contracts

1232
01:05:15.545 --> 01:05:18.285
and each one brings a

1233
01:05:18.685 --> 01:05:23.165
$17,500 mobilization with 'em

1234
01:05:24.335 --> 01:05:29.285
times three, $17,500

1235
01:05:29.415 --> 01:05:31.685
times three as separate contracts.

1236
01:05:32.465 --> 01:05:34.125
And I said, it doesn't make sense.

1237
01:05:34.125 --> 01:05:37.205
They're all side by side by side

1238
01:05:37.825 --> 01:05:40.005
and that we shouldn't be charged for three,

1239
01:05:40.345 --> 01:05:43.245
we should only be charged for one mobilization.

1240
01:05:44.665 --> 01:05:47.925
And, um, so Mike and I had a discussion about that.

1241
01:05:48.865 --> 01:05:51.885
And, um, I think that either we go back

1242
01:05:52.985 --> 01:05:56.725
and insist that if they wanna do this,

1243
01:05:56.745 --> 01:05:58.725
and I know they're in our toolbox, they're,

1244
01:05:58.725 --> 01:06:00.685
they're there on an as needed basis,

1245
01:06:01.625 --> 01:06:03.965
but that we say no

1246
01:06:04.705 --> 01:06:07.965
one mobilization do 'em all, bang, bang, bang,

1247
01:06:08.745 --> 01:06:13.005
or, you know, set it up as one contract

1248
01:06:13.515 --> 01:06:15.005
with one mobilization.

1249
01:06:16.865 --> 01:06:20.165
As we discussed, we insist that we are,

1250
01:06:20.295 --> 01:06:23.245
we're not charged three mobilizations if as long

1251
01:06:23.245 --> 01:06:25.325
as we can set the contractor up, move through

1252
01:06:25.325 --> 01:06:27.245
that fluidly without removing equipment,

1253
01:06:27.375 --> 01:06:29.525
there will not be three mobilizations.

1254
01:06:29.905 --> 01:06:31.805
We price these jobs per unit.

1255
01:06:31.805 --> 01:06:34.645
That's the only way we can do it. We just can't name a job.

1256
01:06:35.005 --> 01:06:37.045
District four, southeast, district four.

1257
01:06:37.745 --> 01:06:39.165
We, we have all have

1258
01:06:39.165 --> 01:06:41.805
and always have identified these projects

1259
01:06:41.805 --> 01:06:43.045
by unit contractually.

1260
01:06:43.315 --> 01:06:45.405
They can add mobilization to each one

1261
01:06:45.405 --> 01:06:49.045
of the task orders in the, the estimates, everywhere we go,

1262
01:06:49.515 --> 01:06:50.645
they do the same thing

1263
01:06:50.985 --> 01:06:53.725
and everywhere they go, if they don't leave the property,

1264
01:06:53.825 --> 01:06:55.925
we do not allow them to charge us mobilization.

1265
01:06:56.155 --> 01:06:59.965
There's, there's situations, if, if weather pulls 'em off

1266
01:06:59.965 --> 01:07:01.245
and they pull equipment out,

1267
01:07:01.635 --> 01:07:03.245
they are gonna charge us mobilization

1268
01:07:03.245 --> 01:07:04.885
because they're getting little boys

1269
01:07:04.885 --> 01:07:06.045
and moving big equipment.

1270
01:07:06.305 --> 01:07:07.645
If we can keep them moving,

1271
01:07:07.645 --> 01:07:10.085
which we have successfully throughout the community,

1272
01:07:10.355 --> 01:07:11.925
through these three units,

1273
01:07:12.505 --> 01:07:14.045
we will get charged more mobilization.

1274
01:07:14.205 --> 01:07:16.085
I guarantee you that was a big pet peeve

1275
01:07:16.085 --> 01:07:17.605
of mine across the board.

1276
01:07:17.805 --> 01:07:19.125
I don't mind them putting it on there

1277
01:07:19.865 --> 01:07:22.605
in case something happens and we've planned for it,

1278
01:07:23.105 --> 01:07:25.605
but we will not be charged unless they pull off the job.

1279
01:07:25.665 --> 01:07:27.405
For some reason. That's unforeseen.

1280
01:07:28.275 --> 01:07:29.565
It's not going to another job.

1281
01:07:29.595 --> 01:07:32.285
When you come in, you work, we want these three done

1282
01:07:32.745 --> 01:07:34.325
and you're gonna charge us one mobilization.

1283
01:07:35.355 --> 01:07:38.685
Walk us through doing just one.

1284
01:07:39.315 --> 01:07:41.525
What, what are the steps in the days involved?

1285
01:07:43.795 --> 01:07:46.845
They'll go in and mill the, it, it's, it's a,

1286
01:07:46.845 --> 01:07:47.965
it's a fluid operation.

1287
01:07:47.965 --> 01:07:50.205
It's a long operation. There's a lot of road here

1288
01:07:50.665 --> 01:07:51.925
for them to go in, immediately.

1289
01:07:51.925 --> 01:07:54.525
They go in a mill, they come back and repave

1290
01:07:54.745 --> 01:07:57.285
and then they retrip the areas. So same

1291
01:07:57.285 --> 01:07:58.285
Equipment? Same

1292
01:07:58.285 --> 01:08:00.725
equipment, yes. Unless they have to leave, you know,

1293
01:08:00.725 --> 01:08:02.365
sometimes you'll get a bill over here,

1294
01:08:02.785 --> 01:08:03.885
the, the milling machine.

1295
01:08:03.885 --> 01:08:05.205
They're not gonna drive a milling

1296
01:08:05.205 --> 01:08:06.645
machine two miles down the road.

1297
01:08:06.755 --> 01:08:08.565
It's just not possible. So there's

1298
01:08:08.565 --> 01:08:09.685
things that have to be moved.

1299
01:08:10.775 --> 01:08:13.525
Again, we've accomplished this over

1300
01:08:13.585 --> 01:08:16.885
and over in other districts with one mobilization.

1301
01:08:17.075 --> 01:08:18.125
They show it on there,

1302
01:08:18.425 --> 01:08:21.485
but our goal is to have one mobilization finish,

1303
01:08:21.545 --> 01:08:22.685
one unit, go to the next.

1304
01:08:23.075 --> 01:08:26.565
Sometimes we can kind of piggyback into other units as long

1305
01:08:26.565 --> 01:08:28.805
as we're not disturbing the whole community in the area

1306
01:08:28.865 --> 01:08:30.165
and having everything ripped up at once.

1307
01:08:30.165 --> 01:08:31.685
Because when you start doing the,

1308
01:08:32.705 --> 01:08:35.485
that's a little more sensitive to residents driving.

1309
01:08:35.705 --> 01:08:37.445
So you gotta kind of finish and keep going.

1310
01:08:38.065 --> 01:08:41.365
Um, but again, we, that, it's a great question

1311
01:08:41.785 --> 01:08:44.965
and it is a big topic for us not

1312
01:08:44.965 --> 01:08:46.285
to pay the three mobilizations.

1313
01:08:46.865 --> 01:08:49.645
And I, I I, I'll guarantee you it,

1314
01:08:49.665 --> 01:08:52.325
if we can keep 'em moving, if they leave

1315
01:08:52.325 --> 01:08:53.725
for another job that's on them.

1316
01:08:54.305 --> 01:08:55.365
If we were gonna get 'em started,

1317
01:08:55.375 --> 01:08:57.605
we're gonna put out the notifications to the residents

1318
01:08:57.945 --> 01:08:59.405
and say, we're gonna do all three units.

1319
01:09:00.065 --> 01:09:01.525
Here's what we're gonna do. If,

1320
01:09:01.545 --> 01:09:04.445
if they leave on their own, we're not paying it either.

1321
01:09:04.665 --> 01:09:06.165
You know, we're gonna set 'em up for success

1322
01:09:06.165 --> 01:09:08.365
to get all three, three of 'em done that one time.

1323
01:09:10.645 --> 01:09:13.045
I, you, you heard what he said that you,

1324
01:09:13.475 --> 01:09:14.925
what is your comfort level on,

1325
01:09:16.145 --> 01:09:17.145
On that? I, I have

1326
01:09:17.145 --> 01:09:20.405
to reli staff to, to do what they say they do.

1327
01:09:21.005 --> 01:09:23.445
I can't ask them to take the mobilization off the,

1328
01:09:23.745 --> 01:09:24.845
it is part of their contract.

1329
01:09:24.845 --> 01:09:26.885
They're allowed to do that. They're separate projects.

1330
01:09:27.405 --> 01:09:30.605
I think it is a trust thing with us knowing, you know, say,

1331
01:09:30.605 --> 01:09:33.125
we'll keep you updated if something happens, whether,

1332
01:09:33.625 --> 01:09:35.965
and they can't work for two weeks or something like that,

1333
01:09:35.965 --> 01:09:37.045
and they have to pull equipment.

1334
01:09:37.185 --> 01:09:38.205
But other than that,

1335
01:09:38.205 --> 01:09:40.245
there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to accomplish

1336
01:09:41.435 --> 01:09:43.245
What is there anticipated. Start

1337
01:09:43.245 --> 01:09:44.245
There. We'll know that once

1338
01:09:44.245 --> 01:09:45.085
we set down

1339
01:09:45.145 --> 01:09:48.245
and schedule once, if once it's approved, it'll be on,

1340
01:09:48.455 --> 01:09:50.645
it'll be scheduled and I'll be able to let you know

1341
01:09:50.645 --> 01:09:52.485
that easily by next month.

1342
01:09:53.185 --> 01:09:55.965
Jim? Yeah. Just one, uh, one comment.

1343
01:09:56.225 --> 01:09:58.125
Um, uh, you know,

1344
01:09:58.125 --> 01:10:00.325
you said this was set up about six years ago.

1345
01:10:00.905 --> 01:10:05.125
Um, prior to that we had an outside concern come in

1346
01:10:05.185 --> 01:10:07.925
and do all of that at a very high expense.

1347
01:10:08.945 --> 01:10:12.845
And, um, staff at that time felt they could do just

1348
01:10:12.865 --> 01:10:17.045
as good a job, uh, evaluating the conditions of the roads

1349
01:10:17.105 --> 01:10:19.445
as this outside firm that came in

1350
01:10:19.505 --> 01:10:24.285
and did some kind of a sonar and other kind of drillings.

1351
01:10:24.345 --> 01:10:29.125
And, and since this was six years ago then if,

1352
01:10:29.345 --> 01:10:32.925
if I understood you right, the decision for these units

1353
01:10:33.945 --> 01:10:38.045
was set about six years ago in the scheme of things, um,

1354
01:10:38.465 --> 01:10:41.165
is is there any value to going out

1355
01:10:41.305 --> 01:10:42.725
and seeing if what was

1356
01:10:43.315 --> 01:10:46.005
good six years ago is still good now, that's all.

1357
01:10:46.225 --> 01:10:49.405
So the, the study that was done was done by a company

1358
01:10:49.515 --> 01:10:51.005
that gave us a book of,

1359
01:10:51.265 --> 01:10:53.725
of pavement assessments throughout district four.

1360
01:10:54.145 --> 01:10:55.765
My staff is not, I was not here.

1361
01:10:55.825 --> 01:10:57.965
My staff is not qualified to do pavement assessments

1362
01:10:58.345 --> 01:11:00.605
to create capital improvement projects.

1363
01:11:00.745 --> 01:11:03.525
So the, the numbers I gave you are six years ago.

1364
01:11:03.745 --> 01:11:08.005
So they don't get better, you know, they get worse.

1365
01:11:08.345 --> 01:11:10.765
So we're, if we were to reassess it, I think it's a,

1366
01:11:10.845 --> 01:11:12.365
a, a very big waste of money.

1367
01:11:12.845 --> 01:11:14.445
I, I think we've got the information.

1368
01:11:14.505 --> 01:11:18.365
It was a good firm that provided those, those estimates

1369
01:11:18.365 --> 01:11:20.725
and the, the, the, the assessments.

1370
01:11:21.185 --> 01:11:23.285
Um, I think we have to, I'd be happy

1371
01:11:23.285 --> 01:11:24.485
to go back and get it done again.

1372
01:11:24.585 --> 01:11:27.965
But they, they, the, the study they did it,

1373
01:11:27.965 --> 01:11:29.085
it is just gonna get worse.

1374
01:11:29.345 --> 01:11:31.805
You, you're not going to do it again and see it get better.

1375
01:11:33.875 --> 01:11:35.125
Okay. I'm done. Okay.

1376
01:11:35.145 --> 01:11:39.405
Can I get a motion to approve to be in, uh, B, C, and D?

1377
01:11:40.145 --> 01:11:44.485
So moved. Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

1378
01:11:44.665 --> 01:11:45.965
All opposed? Okay.

1379
01:11:45.985 --> 01:11:48.165
The other one that we pulled was two F

1380
01:11:48.665 --> 01:11:50.605
and I just, I just want to say that

1381
01:11:53.145 --> 01:11:57.645
we need some kind of parameters so

1382
01:11:57.645 --> 01:11:59.525
that we don't keep running into this.

1383
01:11:59.635 --> 01:12:03.605
This, I brought this up before with our alternate

1384
01:12:03.605 --> 01:12:07.165
because he does, he was never at a meeting

1385
01:12:07.305 --> 01:12:10.525
and I do go to a, a c meetings on occasion

1386
01:12:11.185 --> 01:12:12.845
and I've never seen them there.

1387
01:12:13.745 --> 01:12:18.405
And I just think maybe it would be nice if staff every three

1388
01:12:18.405 --> 01:12:21.365
months let us know if our alternate showing up.

1389
01:12:21.485 --> 01:12:23.965
I believe that the rate, the rules are, the,

1390
01:12:25.665 --> 01:12:29.085
the parameters are that they show up once a month, uh,

1391
01:12:29.135 --> 01:12:30.365
after their four weeks.

1392
01:12:31.545 --> 01:12:34.125
Our alternate never showed up after his four weeks.

1393
01:12:34.305 --> 01:12:36.085
One time. He never even sat at a meeting

1394
01:12:36.225 --> 01:12:37.765
to tell you the truth that I know of.

1395
01:12:38.305 --> 01:12:41.125
Um, so I just, I just to keep track of it.

1396
01:12:41.125 --> 01:12:45.005
And the other big issue is he's always been working.

1397
01:12:45.505 --> 01:12:48.365
He just got a different job, which requires more time.

1398
01:12:48.425 --> 01:12:50.845
And I think that's one of the questions that we need

1399
01:12:50.845 --> 01:12:54.645
to ask when we interview if they have a job.

1400
01:12:54.675 --> 01:12:58.365
Because as we all know, jobs take us to different places

1401
01:12:58.505 --> 01:13:00.005
and I'm not holding that against them,

1402
01:13:00.005 --> 01:13:02.405
but what it does is it come back, comes back

1403
01:13:02.545 --> 01:13:04.085
and bites us in the rear end.

1404
01:13:04.185 --> 01:13:07.245
So, um, I just want to throw those things out there

1405
01:13:07.345 --> 01:13:08.445
for future use.

1406
01:13:08.585 --> 01:13:11.645
So, Matt, if you, yeah, if you have something

1407
01:13:12.225 --> 01:13:13.725
or some weight at every quarter

1408
01:13:13.825 --> 01:13:17.085
or something, just let us know that our alternate is doing

1409
01:13:17.115 --> 01:13:18.245
what he's supposed to doing

1410
01:13:18.385 --> 01:13:20.565
so we can keep on once we get one

1411
01:13:21.635 --> 01:13:23.965
because at this point we don't have one.

1412
01:13:24.435 --> 01:13:27.005
Certainly we keep attendance for the members

1413
01:13:27.075 --> 01:13:29.205
that do attendance so we can, you know,

1414
01:13:29.205 --> 01:13:31.365
provide the attendance records from the meeting.

1415
01:13:31.395 --> 01:13:33.885
Okay. That's all I just wanted out on the record.

1416
01:13:33.985 --> 01:13:35.885
So can I get a motion to approve to us?

1417
01:13:36.075 --> 01:13:37.165
What are we approving here?

1418
01:13:38.455 --> 01:13:40.715
We need a advertise for an alternate.

1419
01:13:41.465 --> 01:13:45.795
Okay, so moved. Second. Second.

1420
01:13:46.055 --> 01:13:49.235
All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? Okay. Thank you guys.

1421
01:13:49.505 --> 01:13:51.515
Okay, new business financial statements.

1422
01:13:51.835 --> 01:13:52.835
Jennifer's coming up.

1423
01:14:06.985 --> 01:14:09.755
Good afternoon board. Jennifer Lee Norris Finance here

1424
01:14:09.755 --> 01:14:12.165
to give you your financial overview of actuals as

1425
01:14:12.165 --> 01:14:13.925
of September of 2025.

1426
01:14:14.385 --> 01:14:15.765
And of course this is a full year

1427
01:14:15.825 --> 01:14:17.365
and it is a preliminary statement

1428
01:14:17.525 --> 01:14:19.125
'cause we're still going through our year end process.

1429
01:14:19.905 --> 01:14:22.725
Uh, year to date year total budgeted revenues is

1430
01:14:22.725 --> 01:14:25.085
4.2 million, uh, for the year.

1431
01:14:25.485 --> 01:14:27.525
Included in that amount is a budget maintenance assessment

1432
01:14:27.545 --> 01:14:30.645
of 3.9 million, which you collected a hundred percent of

1433
01:14:30.645 --> 01:14:32.645
that maintenance assessment earlier in the year.

1434
01:14:33.145 --> 01:14:36.445
Um, and looking at the maintenance, um, uh, difference from

1435
01:14:36.445 --> 01:14:39.125
what was budgeted versus what was collected, um, we see

1436
01:14:39.125 --> 01:14:42.885
that you've actually collected 101%, um, of your,

1437
01:14:42.985 --> 01:14:44.125
uh, budgeted assessments.

1438
01:14:44.185 --> 01:14:48.405
And we take that, uh, attributed to not everyone taking, uh,

1439
01:14:48.515 --> 01:14:50.645
full advantage of the 4% discount.

1440
01:14:50.985 --> 01:14:54.085
Um, and also, um, interest that was earned for late payers.

1441
01:14:54.715 --> 01:14:57.365
Also, just looking a deeper dive into that account.

1442
01:14:57.545 --> 01:15:00.325
Um, the, the tax sale amount collected

1443
01:15:00.325 --> 01:15:02.605
for 2025 was 40,000.

1444
01:15:03.865 --> 01:15:07.325
Um, in your, uh, revenues also is your investment earnings

1445
01:15:07.325 --> 01:15:10.605
of 227,000, which is running about 97%

1446
01:15:10.605 --> 01:15:12.885
of your budget investment earnings, uh,

1447
01:15:12.915 --> 01:15:15.845
that is about 63,000 less than prior year.

1448
01:15:16.385 --> 01:15:19.205
Uh, the expectation is that interest earnings will continue

1449
01:15:19.205 --> 01:15:21.885
to decline due to additional rate cuts from the Federal

1450
01:15:21.915 --> 01:15:24.245
Reserve, which will impact your portfolio

1451
01:15:24.245 --> 01:15:28.445
because 85% of your portfolios, um, fixed income securities,

1452
01:15:29.305 --> 01:15:32.125
uh, you are looking at your budget for investment income

1453
01:15:32.145 --> 01:15:34.885
for next year, or this actually current fiscal year at

1454
01:15:34.925 --> 01:15:39.085
158,000 compared to this year's, uh, budget of two,

1455
01:15:39.145 --> 01:15:42.525
excuse me, 24 25, budget of 233,000.

1456
01:15:42.625 --> 01:15:45.485
So obviously we're expecting to have a, um,

1457
01:15:45.635 --> 01:15:47.805
just a decrease in your investment earnings.

1458
01:15:48.305 --> 01:15:51.725
Uh, we will be bringing back your, uh, rebalancing, uh,

1459
01:15:51.905 --> 01:15:53.965
of your investments, uh, in December

1460
01:15:54.065 --> 01:15:56.925
or January, uh, when we expect most of your revenues

1461
01:15:56.925 --> 01:16:01.045
to come in for the fiscal year for your operating expenses.

1462
01:16:01.345 --> 01:16:03.445
Uh, district four is at 3.3 million,

1463
01:16:03.445 --> 01:16:05.205
which is 93% of the budget.

1464
01:16:05.585 --> 01:16:10.045
Of course, utility services, um, is at 123%, um, of budget,

1465
01:16:10.045 --> 01:16:13.765
mainly due to the CCO poll rental rate increases.

1466
01:16:14.185 --> 01:16:17.045
The board just approved the budget resolution on 2020, uh,

1467
01:16:17.045 --> 01:16:20.085
2026 dash zero three to increase that line item

1468
01:16:20.275 --> 01:16:23.405
with working capital of 109,500.

1469
01:16:23.985 --> 01:16:25.485
Uh, that was on your consent agenda.

1470
01:16:26.165 --> 01:16:27.405
Building landscape maintenance,

1471
01:16:27.405 --> 01:16:29.805
which is your largest line item for district four.

1472
01:16:30.125 --> 01:16:33.445
Budgeted operating expenses is running at 80, um, 8%

1473
01:16:33.445 --> 01:16:37.605
of its budget of 2.5, uh, for the preliminary statement.

1474
01:16:37.865 --> 01:16:41.325
But looking at the expenses, um, to include the,

1475
01:16:41.465 --> 01:16:44.925
the accruals, um, you're more at 92% of your budget.

1476
01:16:45.385 --> 01:16:48.085
The accruals were mainly for your pipe inspection

1477
01:16:48.225 --> 01:16:49.485
and irrigation repair.

1478
01:16:50.105 --> 01:16:53.365
On the, um, on another note, unexpected issues, uh, such

1479
01:16:53.365 --> 01:16:55.605
as geological anomalies and pipe repairs.

1480
01:16:56.025 --> 01:16:59.485
Um, I see that you set up 402,000 for the year.

1481
01:17:00.365 --> 01:17:03.865
Uh, capital outlay is budgeted at 978,000 for the year

1482
01:17:03.925 --> 01:17:06.265
and 108 of that was spent on roof replacement.

1483
01:17:06.525 --> 01:17:08.905
The remaining project for the roof replacement, um,

1484
01:17:09.205 --> 01:17:12.005
I believe it's a well site, uh, 24 in the amount

1485
01:17:12.005 --> 01:17:16.045
of 178,000 will be moved to the 25 26 year.

1486
01:17:16.465 --> 01:17:19.405
Uh, the million overlay projects were complete funding

1487
01:17:19.625 --> 01:17:21.165
685,000.

1488
01:17:21.865 --> 01:17:25.085
Um, the district continues to meet its reserve requirement

1489
01:17:25.105 --> 01:17:26.285
for the, for the month.

1490
01:17:26.635 --> 01:17:31.485
That requirement is, uh, two, uh, million 392,000.

1491
01:17:31.865 --> 01:17:36.045
Uh, district four, uh, is that 2,830,000.

1492
01:17:36.425 --> 01:17:38.365
Um, as of that preliminary statement,

1493
01:17:38.365 --> 01:17:40.725
that's a cushion about 438,000.

1494
01:17:41.185 --> 01:17:44.045
Um, but after the accruals it's more like 312.

1495
01:17:44.625 --> 01:17:46.405
So you're keeping within budget

1496
01:17:46.465 --> 01:17:48.485
and you're keeping within your, uh, reserve.

1497
01:17:49.185 --> 01:17:52.165
Uh, so that's a good thing for sure.

1498
01:17:52.705 --> 01:17:57.325
Um, also included in your report is, uh, just some debt, um,

1499
01:17:57.355 --> 01:17:59.845
information, um, that Mr. Murphy had asked.

1500
01:18:00.025 --> 01:18:01.205
So I'm here to answer any

1501
01:18:01.205 --> 01:18:02.685
additional questions that you might have.

1502
01:18:03.945 --> 01:18:06.325
Any questions? Were you gonna review the, uh,

1503
01:18:06.325 --> 01:18:07.365
bond debt, uh,

1504
01:18:07.435 --> 01:18:08.435
Data? Oh, we can, if you

1505
01:18:08.435 --> 01:18:08.725
would like.

1506
01:18:08.725 --> 01:18:11.165
Yeah, I think just take a quick run through it. Okay.

1507
01:18:11.225 --> 01:18:15.885
Uh, 'cause it's really what affects our bond

1508
01:18:16.265 --> 01:18:18.725
that's sitting out there for our four projects. Sure.

1509
01:18:19.265 --> 01:18:21.725
So the first slide, I just really wanted to, um,

1510
01:18:23.675 --> 01:18:25.605
give you a, a residential count.

1511
01:18:25.985 --> 01:18:29.045
Um, I dunno if we can go to page, I'm not sure

1512
01:18:29.045 --> 01:18:30.085
where it is on July.

1513
01:18:33.245 --> 01:18:34.245
Probably a little bit further down.

1514
01:18:37.195 --> 01:18:37.765
Just a package.

1515
01:18:41.905 --> 01:18:43.645
Uh, yeah, the last one. There you go.

1516
01:18:44.075 --> 01:18:46.565
Down at the bottom here. The very bottom. Bottom

1517
01:18:50.215 --> 01:18:51.215
Right.

1518
01:18:55.095 --> 01:18:55.685
There it is.

1519
01:19:04.095 --> 01:19:06.325
Thank You. If you go to that next slide.

1520
01:19:08.435 --> 01:19:11.205
Yeah. Oh, one one more. Yeah, there you go.

1521
01:19:12.565 --> 01:19:15.405
I just wanted to recap the residential count and,

1522
01:19:15.405 --> 01:19:18.965
and show that you have four phases, um, and District four

1523
01:19:19.305 --> 01:19:21.805
and just kind of give you a recap of, um, each

1524
01:19:21.805 --> 01:19:24.165
of the residential homes in that first slide.

1525
01:19:24.865 --> 01:19:29.845
Um, so for next slide, um, phase one, uh,

1526
01:19:30.825 --> 01:19:34.045
course that was refinanced a couple of times, um,

1527
01:19:34.145 --> 01:19:36.165
is we call it our 2021 bond series.

1528
01:19:36.505 --> 01:19:40.605
Um, as of nine 30, uh, that debt amount is, uh, 1.3 million.

1529
01:19:41.065 --> 01:19:43.685
Um, that loan holder is Citizens First Bank.

1530
01:19:43.825 --> 01:19:47.885
Um, it soon to be Seacoast Bank that matures in 2031.

1531
01:19:48.185 --> 01:19:50.885
Um, and that true interest cost right now is 1.42.

1532
01:19:50.885 --> 01:19:55.125
So a pretty good rate for that for phase two, uh,

1533
01:19:55.305 --> 01:19:56.885
or 2022 bond series.

1534
01:19:57.275 --> 01:19:59.845
That was also refin refinanced a couple times.

1535
01:20:00.385 --> 01:20:02.965
Uh, that current debt amount, um, as

1536
01:20:02.965 --> 01:20:05.245
of nine 30 is 1.5 million.

1537
01:20:05.705 --> 01:20:08.085
Uh, it's also is, uh, citizens First Bank

1538
01:20:08.085 --> 01:20:10.125
and will mature in 2032.

1539
01:20:10.585 --> 01:20:13.445
And that is also at a good interest rate at 1.78.

1540
01:20:14.145 --> 01:20:18.205
So phase three, um, back in 2013, uh,

1541
01:20:18.395 --> 01:20:22.165
it's actually, um, actually you all are the,

1542
01:20:22.185 --> 01:20:23.885
uh, the loan holders.

1543
01:20:24.345 --> 01:20:26.925
Um, it's actually an investment how I see this one.

1544
01:20:27.185 --> 01:20:32.165
But you, um, paid 361,000 out of your general fund, uh,

1545
01:20:32.185 --> 01:20:33.485
to pay off that debt.

1546
01:20:34.025 --> 01:20:36.085
So actually the assessment receivable

1547
01:20:36.085 --> 01:20:37.685
that you'll be receiving, um,

1548
01:20:38.145 --> 01:20:39.565
that's on the books as of nine 30.

1549
01:20:39.565 --> 01:20:42.525
It's 133,000, uh, $514.

1550
01:20:43.225 --> 01:20:46.005
So you've collected, uh, 409,000.

1551
01:20:46.025 --> 01:20:48.725
So you've actually received everything that you put into it.

1552
01:20:49.265 --> 01:20:51.245
Um, and that's still being paid

1553
01:20:51.245 --> 01:20:52.845
through the tax collection period.

1554
01:20:53.225 --> 01:20:56.805
Um, but that assessment receivable will be, um, received to

1555
01:20:56.805 --> 01:20:57.925
through 2033.

1556
01:20:58.545 --> 01:21:00.525
Is there an interest rate connected to that?

1557
01:21:00.905 --> 01:21:03.805
So when I was looking back on the, his history of that,

1558
01:21:03.865 --> 01:21:06.565
it was about 4.8100000000000005% is what I

1559
01:21:06.835 --> 01:21:08.205
4.81. Yes, sir.

1560
01:21:08.535 --> 01:21:09.285
Comes off.

1561
01:21:13.745 --> 01:21:18.045
So for phase four, um, this debt is uh,

1562
01:21:18.145 --> 01:21:20.045
the 2016 bond series.

1563
01:21:20.505 --> 01:21:24.285
And that debt amount right now as of nine 30 is 2.7 million.

1564
01:21:24.785 --> 01:21:28.205
Uh, loan holder seacoast, it matures in 2037

1565
01:21:28.545 --> 01:21:31.805
and that's also a pretty good interest rate of 2.9%.

1566
01:21:32.305 --> 01:21:35.325
And what part of the district is phase four?

1567
01:21:36.005 --> 01:21:37.805
I believe that's Phillips a year.

1568
01:21:38.665 --> 01:21:42.845
That's what I was thinking. Yeah. Phillips and ER

1569
01:21:43.905 --> 01:21:44.905
Should be.

1570
01:21:44.955 --> 01:21:49.765
Yeah. Any other questions? Uh, just to comment, uh, Mr.

1571
01:21:49.885 --> 01:21:54.005
Chairman, um, on, it's a nice document to, uh,

1572
01:21:54.115 --> 01:21:57.405
have available to you as people, uh, talk

1573
01:21:57.405 --> 01:21:59.845
to you about non-ad debt if you

1574
01:21:59.845 --> 01:22:01.005
haven't paid off your bond debt.

1575
01:22:01.925 --> 01:22:06.125
I think the other important thing is that this district, uh,

1576
01:22:06.125 --> 01:22:10.765
this board, um, was the first one to suggest

1577
01:22:10.955 --> 01:22:15.005
that, uh, we go to a bank instead of paying the fee to go

1578
01:22:15.005 --> 01:22:18.285
through the expense of, uh, the other.

1579
01:22:18.545 --> 01:22:21.445
So, uh, that's been very successful for us.

1580
01:22:21.465 --> 01:22:25.885
Reduce the costs. What's the timeframe now to re that?

1581
01:22:25.905 --> 01:22:28.725
We can, uh, refinance bond debt? Typically

1582
01:22:28.725 --> 01:22:29.725
It's 10 years. 10 years.

1583
01:22:29.725 --> 01:22:31.765
Okay. But with these kind of interest rates,

1584
01:22:31.765 --> 01:22:35.165
we're probably not interested in doing that. But

1585
01:22:36.135 --> 01:22:38.965
These are not, these are not really bonds.

1586
01:22:39.035 --> 01:22:40.965
They're loans. So they could be

1587
01:22:40.965 --> 01:22:42.485
refinanced at any time, right?

1588
01:22:42.625 --> 01:22:44.085
No, there's some restrictions.

1589
01:22:44.455 --> 01:22:46.605
There is a restriction. Yeah. I think it's 10 years.

1590
01:22:46.605 --> 01:22:48.245
Yeah, I believe so. Uh, I'll,

1591
01:22:48.245 --> 01:22:49.685
I can double check that. I believe so,

1592
01:22:50.345 --> 01:22:55.245
But we avoided all the high expenses of ref

1593
01:22:55.755 --> 01:22:57.085
refinancing the bonds, right?

1594
01:22:57.085 --> 01:23:00.125
Yeah. But, and not only that, I mean, we, we were,

1595
01:23:00.235 --> 01:23:04.285
when the 10 come up, staff notified us, we went.

1596
01:23:04.865 --> 01:23:09.285
Yes. Any other questions? Thank

1597
01:23:09.285 --> 01:23:09.965
You. Thank

1598
01:23:09.965 --> 01:23:10.965
You, Jennifer. Thank

1599
01:23:10.965 --> 01:23:14.685
you. This is very useful information.

1600
01:23:15.285 --> 01:23:17.885
I found that highly interesting. Thanks.

1601
01:23:18.795 --> 01:23:21.685
Okay, next is, uh, supervisor comments.

1602
01:23:22.465 --> 01:23:26.365
Um, as we know, Don is our liaison to the Sumter

1603
01:23:26.425 --> 01:23:30.045
or to the Marion County Board of County Commissioners.

1604
01:23:30.545 --> 01:23:32.525
But, um, when it comes to Walmart

1605
01:23:33.505 --> 01:23:37.525
and the issue of Walmart, if, if the developer is going

1606
01:23:37.525 --> 01:23:39.045
to have any meetings, I believe,

1607
01:23:39.105 --> 01:23:43.045
and I would like this board to let the chair

1608
01:23:44.155 --> 01:23:45.805
negotiate those, um,

1609
01:23:46.275 --> 01:23:49.365
because this has got nothing to do with the Sum County Board

1610
01:23:49.365 --> 01:23:50.405
of County commissioners,

1611
01:23:50.865 --> 01:23:53.285
and I think it would be in our best interest to do that.

1612
01:23:53.465 --> 01:23:55.125
So with this board's approval,

1613
01:23:56.085 --> 01:23:57.285
I would like to see that happen.

1614
01:23:58.085 --> 01:24:00.605
I I would like to weigh in on that. Sure.

1615
01:24:00.945 --> 01:24:04.485
And one of the things that, um,

1616
01:24:06.655 --> 01:24:09.765
could occur is if the developer has to go back,

1617
01:24:09.945 --> 01:24:12.845
it could come back before the county commissioners.

1618
01:24:13.565 --> 01:24:17.005
I do have eight years of experience and cooperation

1619
01:24:17.005 --> 01:24:18.965
and work with the engineers

1620
01:24:19.585 --> 01:24:21.925
and with the other staff as well

1621
01:24:21.925 --> 01:24:23.245
as the county commissioners.

1622
01:24:24.225 --> 01:24:27.045
And, uh, I I think that

1623
01:24:27.045 --> 01:24:30.365
that relationship should not just be ignored. Um,

1624
01:24:30.945 --> 01:24:33.605
I'm not asking to ignore that relationship, Don,

1625
01:24:33.715 --> 01:24:37.885
what I stated was any kind of meeting

1626
01:24:37.995 --> 01:24:39.045
with the developer,

1627
01:24:39.045 --> 01:24:42.045
because there is a portion of this that we

1628
01:24:42.705 --> 01:24:45.485
do have some control over, as you're well aware of.

1629
01:24:46.205 --> 01:24:49.725
I would just like the chair, whoever the chair might be at

1630
01:24:49.725 --> 01:24:52.805
that time because there's still nothing happening there.

1631
01:24:52.865 --> 01:24:56.405
We could have another chair, the chair to be the person

1632
01:24:57.225 --> 01:24:58.485
to be involved in that.

1633
01:24:58.625 --> 01:25:01.525
That's not a board of county commissioner item.

1634
01:25:01.745 --> 01:25:04.205
If it comes before the board of county commissioners,

1635
01:25:04.465 --> 01:25:06.685
you're free to be the person that's there.

1636
01:25:07.725 --> 01:25:09.205
I am not asking for that.

1637
01:25:10.225 --> 01:25:12.885
So let's just keep it on what I asked for.

1638
01:25:13.665 --> 01:25:17.565
Um, and I'd like to hear from the rest of the board.

1639
01:25:19.195 --> 01:25:21.325
I've got no problem. I'm comfortable with it.

1640
01:25:22.445 --> 01:25:23.765
I think it's always been the call of

1641
01:25:24.425 --> 01:25:25.605
my seven years on the board.

1642
01:25:25.715 --> 01:25:27.605
It's always been the call. So I think we have a

1643
01:25:27.765 --> 01:25:28.965
consensus, which is board.

1644
01:25:29.655 --> 01:25:33.445
Thank you. Okay. Okay, moving on. Supervisor comments.

1645
01:25:33.665 --> 01:25:35.925
So Kerry, you have any supervisor comments? No.

1646
01:25:37.305 --> 01:25:40.685
Don. Um, I'm sure you do.

1647
01:25:42.625 --> 01:25:45.205
No, I, I don't, no. Okay. I just

1648
01:25:46.335 --> 01:25:47.725
Under supervisor comments.

1649
01:25:48.065 --> 01:25:52.725
Yes, I see that. Okay. And, and no, I, I don't.

1650
01:25:52.835 --> 01:25:57.125
Okay, Jim? Um, yes, I do have a couple. Okay.

1651
01:25:57.905 --> 01:26:01.005
Uh, the first one has to do with, uh, and,

1652
01:26:01.185 --> 01:26:05.125
and again, uh, uh, everything I'm talking about, I've sent

1653
01:26:05.465 --> 01:26:10.245
to the staff to give me some input on, one of 'em was,

1654
01:26:10.265 --> 01:26:12.965
uh, bell Mead, uh, the shrubs and the trees.

1655
01:26:13.265 --> 01:26:17.125
And, uh, thought they were getting a look kind of shabby

1656
01:26:17.645 --> 01:26:19.565
question, the, the height

1657
01:26:19.585 --> 01:26:21.285
of the bushes and things like that.

1658
01:26:22.105 --> 01:26:25.325
And, uh, they promptly got back with me

1659
01:26:25.425 --> 01:26:27.085
and said there was some sections

1660
01:26:27.085 --> 01:26:28.205
they were gonna take a look at.

1661
01:26:28.905 --> 01:26:33.765
Um, uh, I do have one question though, uh, maybe

1662
01:26:34.515 --> 01:26:37.885
related to, uh, the residential areas.

1663
01:26:37.955 --> 01:26:40.805
They talk about, uh, by Vernon being an eight

1664
01:26:40.805 --> 01:26:45.725
to 10 foot height, is, is that the same height that, uh,

1665
01:26:46.015 --> 01:26:49.045
homeowners have in, uh,

1666
01:26:49.955 --> 01:26:51.045
deed restrictions?

1667
01:26:54.225 --> 01:26:56.485
If, if it is, yes, that's all I want know.

1668
01:26:56.665 --> 01:26:59.525
My cares district property management, Matt may need

1669
01:26:59.525 --> 01:27:00.565
to come up and speak to that,

1670
01:27:00.565 --> 01:27:02.525
but we go off the specifications that are

1671
01:27:02.685 --> 01:27:05.645
provided on the as-builts at, at when the, the,

1672
01:27:05.745 --> 01:27:07.005
the materials put in.

1673
01:27:07.005 --> 01:27:08.885
So there's a, a growing spec

1674
01:27:08.885 --> 01:27:10.565
and a height requirement on each one.

1675
01:27:10.565 --> 01:27:13.645
Our as-builts. I do not believe that Mr. Armstrong gets

1676
01:27:13.645 --> 01:27:15.885
that type of thing on residential properties.

1677
01:27:16.245 --> 01:27:19.245
I, I believe the difference in height is whether it be a

1678
01:27:19.245 --> 01:27:20.685
barrier, a sound barrier,

1679
01:27:21.035 --> 01:27:22.035
That that's right. Correct. There,

1680
01:27:22.035 --> 01:27:24.685
there's a four feet restriction on a lot

1681
01:27:24.685 --> 01:27:27.925
of them, but some areas were meant to be barriers

1682
01:27:28.625 --> 01:27:30.765
and those lots are specifically called

1683
01:27:30.765 --> 01:27:31.805
out in the deed restrictions.

1684
01:27:32.025 --> 01:27:34.605
And those are, are supposed to be bigger than that.

1685
01:27:35.425 --> 01:27:38.205
No. Correct. So I, that takes care of that.

1686
01:27:38.345 --> 01:27:40.805
So they took care of that.

1687
01:27:41.425 --> 01:27:45.085
Uh, the other thing, not knowing where to, uh,

1688
01:27:45.105 --> 01:27:48.045
put my comments, but did it here under, uh,

1689
01:27:48.045 --> 01:27:51.365
supervisor's comments, and I see they put a slide up there,

1690
01:27:51.385 --> 01:27:55.245
but, um, as, as all of you have,

1691
01:27:55.625 --> 01:27:59.325
you have this ton of information that's been,

1692
01:28:00.665 --> 01:28:03.845
uh, reviewed by board members since, uh,

1693
01:28:05.515 --> 01:28:08.605
this whole villa thing with Phillips

1694
01:28:08.745 --> 01:28:12.165
and Soer, uh, was raised

1695
01:28:12.355 --> 01:28:14.125
with this board by the developer.

1696
01:28:15.025 --> 01:28:16.325
And as a back con comment

1697
01:28:16.325 --> 01:28:19.085
before I go through these, the developer did say at

1698
01:28:19.085 --> 01:28:23.245
that time that if CD D four did not, um,

1699
01:28:23.855 --> 01:28:27.605
agree to take these two villas, uh, they would put 'em

1700
01:28:27.605 --> 01:28:28.885
with some other board.

1701
01:28:30.265 --> 01:28:32.885
Uh, and, uh, I don't know what that all meant,

1702
01:28:32.945 --> 01:28:36.125
but we did agree in, in the context of things

1703
01:28:36.265 --> 01:28:39.165
of not leaving the residents in those two areas,

1704
01:28:39.165 --> 01:28:43.205
hanging out there by themselves any more than they are that,

1705
01:28:43.345 --> 01:28:47.445
uh, we would take over the responsibility for, uh,

1706
01:28:47.615 --> 01:28:48.845
those two villages.

1707
01:28:49.665 --> 01:28:53.865
Now, when I went, as I went through all the documents, um,

1708
01:28:54.385 --> 01:28:56.665
I run into conflicts with terminology.

1709
01:28:57.655 --> 01:29:01.075
Uh, I think we just received one today that talked about

1710
01:29:01.875 --> 01:29:04.885
high volume roads or something.

1711
01:29:05.275 --> 01:29:08.005
There's only two kind of roads that are mentioned in any

1712
01:29:08.005 --> 01:29:09.405
of the documents that we have.

1713
01:29:10.025 --> 01:29:12.685
And one of 'em is a subdivision infrastructure road,

1714
01:29:13.105 --> 01:29:14.565
and the other's a collector road.

1715
01:29:15.545 --> 01:29:19.925
Now the collector roads looking at those that are throughout

1716
01:29:21.115 --> 01:29:24.525
main drives into the villages are those divided roads.

1717
01:29:25.505 --> 01:29:27.765
And, uh, they're built to a different standard

1718
01:29:28.675 --> 01:29:32.245
than the balance of the subdivision infrastructure roads.

1719
01:29:33.505 --> 01:29:37.165
Now, in, in the documents that were furnished,

1720
01:29:37.225 --> 01:29:41.045
the documents stated that all of the roads, uh,

1721
01:29:41.935 --> 01:29:45.485
would be, uh, accessible to the public.

1722
01:29:46.065 --> 01:29:49.525
And that's an incorrect statement, uh, for Marion County

1723
01:29:49.825 --> 01:29:51.205
and for CDD four.

1724
01:29:51.905 --> 01:29:54.165
And I don't know whether we need to get that fixed

1725
01:29:54.345 --> 01:29:56.005
or whether it's an understanding.

1726
01:29:57.065 --> 01:29:59.525
Um, we don't know.

1727
01:29:59.825 --> 01:30:03.725
Uh, the, uh, legal console gave us a little description

1728
01:30:03.725 --> 01:30:05.325
of right of way and easements

1729
01:30:06.105 --> 01:30:10.685
and, uh, I'm not sure how subdivision infrastructure, roads

1730
01:30:10.685 --> 01:30:14.085
and collector roads fit into those two definitions.

1731
01:30:14.985 --> 01:30:17.805
And that's one that, uh, I'd asked

1732
01:30:17.825 --> 01:30:19.485
for eventually a follow up.

1733
01:30:20.305 --> 01:30:24.125
Um, and then also in the Phillips, solely our documents,

1734
01:30:24.185 --> 01:30:26.085
and I know we're talking Phillips,

1735
01:30:26.345 --> 01:30:29.125
but all the documents are together in a way.

1736
01:30:30.185 --> 01:30:34.525
And the bond debt, they showed $95,000 being assessed

1737
01:30:34.545 --> 01:30:37.565
to the bond holders for multimodal trails.

1738
01:30:37.745 --> 01:30:39.565
My question was, where are they?

1739
01:30:43.245 --> 01:30:46.305
We don't have any multimodal roads in either one of those

1740
01:30:46.845 --> 01:30:48.025
villas that I'm aware of.

1741
01:30:48.605 --> 01:30:50.785
So we, uh,

1742
01:30:51.485 --> 01:30:54.905
the developer roads $95,000 plus interest

1743
01:30:55.645 --> 01:30:57.865
or we try and find out

1744
01:30:58.255 --> 01:31:01.585
however we can do it, uh, where that money went.

1745
01:31:03.605 --> 01:31:08.505
Um, if I can, I can address that.

1746
01:31:08.535 --> 01:31:11.785
Sure. Between first responders

1747
01:31:12.565 --> 01:31:17.265
and Sole, there is a multimodal path

1748
01:31:18.095 --> 01:31:19.905
that connects the two

1749
01:31:20.805 --> 01:31:24.425
and it goes between, um, Creekside Circle

1750
01:31:24.885 --> 01:31:26.065
and Shadow Make.

1751
01:31:27.295 --> 01:31:30.545
Yeah. But that was covered in the, um,

1752
01:31:32.295 --> 01:31:36.505
that, that particular program wasn't part of Phillips.

1753
01:31:37.685 --> 01:31:39.465
No, I understand. Okay.

1754
01:31:40.005 --> 01:31:43.825
Um, In the, um,

1755
01:31:45.955 --> 01:31:48.025
there, there was an item relative

1756
01:31:48.365 --> 01:31:51.705
to our question about the developer sharing in some costs.

1757
01:31:52.325 --> 01:31:56.265
And when you see the documents that showed a 37%, uh,

1758
01:31:56.585 --> 01:32:00.045
reimbursement rate for maintenance of the domestic roads

1759
01:32:00.185 --> 01:32:04.725
to the entrance of the residential area, um, it would seem

1760
01:32:04.725 --> 01:32:07.525
to me that the residential area, um,

1761
01:32:08.705 --> 01:32:12.245
in their definition really starts at

1762
01:32:12.925 --> 01:32:17.365
Mulberry Lane intersection with Phillips Court.

1763
01:32:18.185 --> 01:32:20.485
And we need to get an understanding of that.

1764
01:32:21.505 --> 01:32:25.565
And on the solely air plan, uh, it specifies

1765
01:32:25.635 --> 01:32:30.325
that a 37% of 51% reimbursement,

1766
01:32:31.265 --> 01:32:36.205
and I I don't know why one is 51 and one was 37.

1767
01:32:37.065 --> 01:32:40.085
But we need to confirm that the percents are, are both.

1768
01:32:40.275 --> 01:32:45.205
Okay. Uh, as you're all aware, the entire road from 42

1769
01:32:45.875 --> 01:32:48.685
through Phillips Village is named Phillips Court.

1770
01:32:49.665 --> 01:32:52.565
It would seem that the term collector roads, as I mentioned,

1771
01:32:52.635 --> 01:32:53.765
ends at Mulberry Lane,

1772
01:32:54.705 --> 01:32:57.885
but it is not specified other than the term

1773
01:32:58.545 --> 01:33:00.285
to the entrance of the subdivision.

1774
01:33:01.265 --> 01:33:04.205
So we need a clarification of where one,

1775
01:33:04.865 --> 01:33:07.605
the collector term collector road ends

1776
01:33:08.055 --> 01:33:09.525
physically on that site.

1777
01:33:10.385 --> 01:33:15.205
Uh, from what I can, um, come up with an net package,

1778
01:33:15.425 --> 01:33:18.565
it seems to end at Mulberry Lane.

1779
01:33:19.385 --> 01:33:20.565
Uh, that may be incorrect.

1780
01:33:21.345 --> 01:33:24.565
Um, and since the bond holders own the entire roadway

1781
01:33:25.235 --> 01:33:29.965
from 42 through their property, all the property west

1782
01:33:30.025 --> 01:33:32.085
of the roadway to the property lane

1783
01:33:33.185 --> 01:33:34.885
and south to Mulberry Lane,

1784
01:33:34.905 --> 01:33:36.445
and right now that's, uh,

1785
01:33:36.545 --> 01:33:40.725
in a retention area plus grass area, it would seem

1786
01:33:40.725 --> 01:33:43.965
that the bond holders have a right to not grant access to

1787
01:33:43.965 --> 01:33:45.045
that part of the property,

1788
01:33:46.355 --> 01:33:48.925
including Bill Court to the general public.

1789
01:33:49.825 --> 01:33:51.285
And that's another issue.

1790
01:33:51.445 --> 01:33:54.725
I think that, uh, we're probably going to get into dispute

1791
01:33:54.725 --> 01:33:57.925
with the developer somewhere down the line, uh,

1792
01:33:58.025 --> 01:34:02.605
in measuring the roads, uh, from Mulberry Lane,

1793
01:34:03.665 --> 01:34:06.485
uh, south to the Phillips Villa

1794
01:34:07.035 --> 01:34:08.685
area on Phillips Court.

1795
01:34:09.545 --> 01:34:11.645
Uh, the roads are considerably narrow.

1796
01:34:11.745 --> 01:34:14.765
And if you've measured the two roads on the, uh,

1797
01:34:14.875 --> 01:34:18.485
collector Road and take those measurements up

1798
01:34:18.485 --> 01:34:21.405
to the road from Mulberry going south into the Phillips

1799
01:34:21.535 --> 01:34:23.365
Court, there's a considerable

1800
01:34:23.365 --> 01:34:24.725
difference in the width of the road.

1801
01:34:25.585 --> 01:34:28.005
And I did have a problem with the document

1802
01:34:28.035 --> 01:34:29.845
that was just recently sent to us

1803
01:34:30.395 --> 01:34:33.605
that indicated those were all heavy duty roads,

1804
01:34:34.465 --> 01:34:36.725
and I have no idea where that term came from.

1805
01:34:36.795 --> 01:34:38.325
It's not mentioned anywhere in any

1806
01:34:38.325 --> 01:34:39.685
of the documents that we have.

1807
01:34:40.645 --> 01:34:41.925
I think it's one they just created

1808
01:34:42.065 --> 01:34:45.845
so they could drive trucks on that road south

1809
01:34:45.945 --> 01:34:47.525
of Mulberry Lane.

1810
01:34:49.385 --> 01:34:51.125
And another issue that was raised

1811
01:34:51.185 --> 01:34:53.925
by our attorney in which he addressed last time for us

1812
01:34:54.585 --> 01:34:56.325
by defining tax-free bond.

1813
01:34:57.225 --> 01:35:00.605
And as long as the bonds are not paid in full, um,

1814
01:35:01.425 --> 01:35:04.405
it would seem to me that developer's not even a player in

1815
01:35:04.405 --> 01:35:08.045
this as a developer, has been paid in full long ago.

1816
01:35:09.185 --> 01:35:12.005
And I'm sure that the money that he's made, uh,

1817
01:35:12.005 --> 01:35:14.365
with the bond debt as well as the profit

1818
01:35:14.365 --> 01:35:19.085
that he's made on the sale of individual homes, um,

1819
01:35:20.365 --> 01:35:21.725
probably paid for that whole site.

1820
01:35:21.945 --> 01:35:24.685
But that's not an issue for us, I guess,

1821
01:35:24.705 --> 01:35:25.725
to be involved with.

1822
01:35:26.425 --> 01:35:30.125
But we need to know, um, a little bit

1823
01:35:30.125 --> 01:35:31.285
of follow up on whether

1824
01:35:31.305 --> 01:35:36.245
or not if we decide to close Philip Court, the question is,

1825
01:35:37.145 --> 01:35:38.925
uh, where can we close it?

1826
01:35:39.625 --> 01:35:43.845
And it would seem from all the documents in this thing, uh,

1827
01:35:44.235 --> 01:35:46.005
once the collector road ends

1828
01:35:46.025 --> 01:35:47.805
and that's confirmed at Mulberry Lane,

1829
01:35:48.595 --> 01:35:51.005
then we would've the right to do anything we want

1830
01:35:51.195 --> 01:35:54.805
with Phillips Court from Mulberry

1831
01:35:55.235 --> 01:35:56.365
through the villas.

1832
01:35:57.215 --> 01:35:58.675
Uh, there's a number of options.

1833
01:35:58.815 --> 01:36:00.595
One of the options would be to, uh,

1834
01:36:01.085 --> 01:36:04.435
let's put a golf cart path on the roads.

1835
01:36:07.855 --> 01:36:10.475
We do that. There's no way they could even get a truck on

1836
01:36:10.475 --> 01:36:11.475
there if they wanted to.

1837
01:36:11.655 --> 01:36:14.315
But, so there's a number of things that, you know,

1838
01:36:14.435 --> 01:36:15.595
I think we need to look at.

1839
01:36:15.725 --> 01:36:18.475
These are just some of the things that, that I came up with.

1840
01:36:19.585 --> 01:36:21.875
Well, those other comments have been made by the board.

1841
01:36:22.895 --> 01:36:27.835
Um, so I just throw those out as I items that I've reviewed.

1842
01:36:29.375 --> 01:36:31.835
And if anybody needs a copy of any of these documents,

1843
01:36:31.935 --> 01:36:35.395
if you don't have 'em on your file, I they're all available.

1844
01:36:36.445 --> 01:36:38.995
There was a statement in there, uh, you've probably seen

1845
01:36:39.025 --> 01:36:41.515
that says that all of these roads

1846
01:36:41.615 --> 01:36:45.875
and, uh, villas are all developed in the

1847
01:36:46.455 --> 01:36:48.235
as as FQ Ds.

1848
01:36:48.375 --> 01:36:52.755
So I was kind of curious what the FQD was. I looked that up.

1849
01:36:52.755 --> 01:36:55.435
And it is Florida Quality Development Order,

1850
01:36:55.535 --> 01:36:58.555
and it's all related to, uh, chapter three 80.

1851
01:36:59.375 --> 01:37:01.755
And it makes all the determination on the roads

1852
01:37:01.855 --> 01:37:04.595
and all the things that are required to build.

1853
01:37:05.935 --> 01:37:10.275
And it appears that it's all been, uh, properly, uh,

1854
01:37:10.595 --> 01:37:12.915
followed except the question,

1855
01:37:13.055 --> 01:37:17.235
and again, in Marion County as to are they our roads,

1856
01:37:17.655 --> 01:37:18.835
are they public roads?

1857
01:37:19.615 --> 01:37:21.275
And, um, oh,

1858
01:37:21.405 --> 01:37:24.915
where do we go in restricting the truck traffic

1859
01:37:25.855 --> 01:37:28.155
on Phillips Court anywhere,

1860
01:37:29.095 --> 01:37:33.675
or at least if we have to do a compromise of the developer

1861
01:37:34.605 --> 01:37:38.795
would be from Mulberry Lane South,

1862
01:37:39.575 --> 01:37:41.115
uh, through Phillips Villas.

1863
01:37:41.135 --> 01:37:45.355
So it, it might be an issue, uh, Don if, uh, you know,

1864
01:37:45.355 --> 01:37:48.635
you get into a position of compromise, uh,

1865
01:37:48.645 --> 01:37:50.115
maybe we could get into that

1866
01:37:51.095 --> 01:37:53.795
and convince him to take the two entrances

1867
01:37:53.795 --> 01:37:57.605
and exits into that commercial property onto Mulberry Lane.

1868
01:37:58.735 --> 01:38:02.395
Um, and I think the precedent has already been set

1869
01:38:02.535 --> 01:38:04.275
by the developer himself.

1870
01:38:04.975 --> 01:38:09.955
Uh, he was able to get approval to close Mulberry Lane

1871
01:38:10.505 --> 01:38:14.555
from Philip's Court east to the end of his property.

1872
01:38:15.655 --> 01:38:18.235
So if he's able to do that, we ought to be able

1873
01:38:18.235 --> 01:38:21.635
to do the same thing because they, he says the developer

1874
01:38:21.635 --> 01:38:23.115
of the Mulberry Lanes Department road.

1875
01:38:24.175 --> 01:38:26.915
So I think the precedent's already been set

1876
01:38:27.385 --> 01:38:31.635
that if he can close that road, he owns it, we ought

1877
01:38:31.635 --> 01:38:35.515
to be able to do things that we wanna do with Phillips Court

1878
01:38:35.985 --> 01:38:39.915
because we own it or the bond holders own it,

1879
01:38:39.915 --> 01:38:41.275
however you wanted to define it.

1880
01:38:42.495 --> 01:38:44.995
So I don't have any other comments other than

1881
01:38:44.995 --> 01:38:48.515
that then I told staff, I didn't expect them to come up

1882
01:38:48.515 --> 01:38:49.995
with any answers for us,

1883
01:38:50.055 --> 01:38:51.435
but if they have any comments they

1884
01:38:51.435 --> 01:38:52.635
wanna make, they'd be appreciate.

1885
01:38:53.265 --> 01:38:56.275
Okay, mark, I don't have anything

1886
01:38:56.275 --> 01:38:57.275
Either. Terry, do

1887
01:38:57.275 --> 01:39:01.715
you have any, any response, anything that,

1888
01:39:01.935 --> 01:39:03.785
uh, Jim said?

1889
01:39:06.505 --> 01:39:11.065
I, I have more. I I will need more time.

1890
01:39:11.325 --> 01:39:13.225
Um, but a lot of these, and,

1891
01:39:13.245 --> 01:39:17.465
and I I did respond to Mr. Murphy as well is

1892
01:39:18.105 --> 01:39:21.145
questions as to the interpretation of some of the documents

1893
01:39:21.145 --> 01:39:24.065
that have been provided, as well as some of the,

1894
01:39:24.765 --> 01:39:26.345
um, verbiage.

1895
01:39:26.525 --> 01:39:28.585
And some of this is going to require Mr.

1896
01:39:28.935 --> 01:39:29.985
Bona to look through it.

1897
01:39:30.205 --> 01:39:31.305
And so the,

1898
01:39:31.335 --> 01:39:33.505
that is something I did provide him the document,

1899
01:39:34.205 --> 01:39:37.225
but you as a board need to determine if you would like

1900
01:39:37.285 --> 01:39:40.945
to authorize him to expend time in going through

1901
01:39:41.645 --> 01:39:45.505
the questions and the old documents to determine, I mean,

1902
01:39:45.525 --> 01:39:49.225
he, he already gave you his, his opinion on whether

1903
01:39:49.225 --> 01:39:51.865
or not you could close the gate through the roads.

1904
01:39:52.405 --> 01:39:54.545
Um, whether or not you want him to re-look at

1905
01:39:54.545 --> 01:39:57.065
that specifically with Phillips Villas, based on

1906
01:39:57.295 --> 01:39:58.425
what Mr. Murphy has

1907
01:39:58.665 --> 01:40:00.705
provided, that's not something that staff is going

1908
01:40:00.705 --> 01:40:02.025
to be able to provide that opinion on.

1909
01:40:02.245 --> 01:40:04.465
So you as a board need to decide,

1910
01:40:04.465 --> 01:40:05.465
Well, okay. But one of

1911
01:40:05.465 --> 01:40:06.825
the things that we were told

1912
01:40:07.395 --> 01:40:11.065
about closing the roads is that as long

1913
01:40:11.065 --> 01:40:14.145
as there were bonds on them that, that were tax

1914
01:40:14.925 --> 01:40:16.545
exempt, we couldn't do it.

1915
01:40:17.675 --> 01:40:22.145
These roads in District four that are filled solely air

1916
01:40:22.655 --> 01:40:24.425
were never tax exempt bonds.

1917
01:40:24.425 --> 01:40:27.065
They were finance or bank right off the get go.

1918
01:40:27.885 --> 01:40:29.745
So that's a whole different story, Mike.

1919
01:40:30.465 --> 01:40:33.865
I think the biggest issue we need to know is Mulberry Lane

1920
01:40:35.685 --> 01:40:39.225
and Phillips Court to their gate.

1921
01:40:39.645 --> 01:40:42.105
If that's our road, then just what, what

1922
01:40:42.105 --> 01:40:43.985
what we can and can't do.

1923
01:40:44.565 --> 01:40:48.065
And if, if the truck, I was just on

1924
01:40:48.065 --> 01:40:49.265
that road again the other day,

1925
01:40:49.655 --> 01:40:52.545
there's no way a semi-truck could drive on that road.

1926
01:40:53.675 --> 01:40:55.165
It's physically impossible.

1927
01:40:56.705 --> 01:40:58.845
So I think that's where we need to start.

1928
01:40:59.185 --> 01:41:02.845
We need to know what, what we can and can't do.

1929
01:41:02.845 --> 01:41:05.765
And I think Mr. Brians needs to get us some information

1930
01:41:06.025 --> 01:41:07.845
so you don't just keep spinning our wheels.

1931
01:41:08.265 --> 01:41:09.925
That's not gonna get us anywhere.

1932
01:41:10.465 --> 01:41:14.085
We need need to know that when push comes to S Shelf,

1933
01:41:14.315 --> 01:41:17.645
what our legal rounds are, so we have some idea.

1934
01:41:18.545 --> 01:41:21.645
Um, I know what this board feels like

1935
01:41:22.905 --> 01:41:25.805
and I feel that's my road, that's District Four's Road

1936
01:41:26.345 --> 01:41:27.885
and we should have to say over that.

1937
01:41:29.185 --> 01:41:33.365
And no one's asked us one question about whether

1938
01:41:33.385 --> 01:41:35.005
or not they can use that route.

1939
01:41:36.265 --> 01:41:40.765
And that's going to change the whole idea

1940
01:41:40.825 --> 01:41:41.925
of what they're trying to do.

1941
01:41:41.925 --> 01:41:43.245
They could, they still do it.

1942
01:41:43.355 --> 01:41:44.805
They can, but they're gonna have to come up

1943
01:41:44.805 --> 01:41:48.205
with a different way, which is gonna make all

1944
01:41:48.205 --> 01:41:49.365
the difference in the world.

1945
01:41:50.445 --> 01:41:54.985
So I think, I think that's our first step, just, just

1946
01:41:55.095 --> 01:41:58.625
what is our re our legal responsibility at that road.

1947
01:41:58.815 --> 01:42:01.585
Yeah. The other, the other portion of this thing that

1948
01:42:02.245 --> 01:42:05.945
you know, hangs out there is that both of those villas

1949
01:42:06.885 --> 01:42:11.545
are serviced water wise by Marion County.

1950
01:42:12.775 --> 01:42:16.225
It's not a normal kind of arrangement for the rest of

1951
01:42:17.045 --> 01:42:20.065
our district or districts out there.

1952
01:42:20.495 --> 01:42:23.585
They maintain them and built the main pumping station.

1953
01:42:24.885 --> 01:42:28.905
Um, the, the whole water issue becomes one.

1954
01:42:29.685 --> 01:42:34.025
Uh, and and it's one of the things, you know, that we need

1955
01:42:34.025 --> 01:42:36.785
to look at, uh, Marion County seems,

1956
01:42:37.115 --> 01:42:40.705
every time we ask 'em a question, they, they push it off

1957
01:42:40.765 --> 01:42:42.425
to someplace else.

1958
01:42:42.615 --> 01:42:43.865
Like it's not a big deal.

1959
01:42:44.055 --> 01:42:46.585
It's already been approved, all that kinda stuff.

1960
01:42:47.325 --> 01:42:52.145
But there's still gotta be some, um, looking into, is

1961
01:42:52.145 --> 01:42:54.545
that pump station also gonna handle the whole

1962
01:42:54.545 --> 01:42:55.585
commercial district?

1963
01:42:56.205 --> 01:43:00.145
Um, it, it just, the whole piece

1964
01:43:00.145 --> 01:43:05.065
of the Marion County developer, uh, piece

1965
01:43:05.085 --> 01:43:08.785
of property that we're just not getting any information on

1966
01:43:09.445 --> 01:43:13.425
as to how the water supply that's going to Phillips,

1967
01:43:14.445 --> 01:43:17.305
uh, and controlled by the, you know, the St.

1968
01:43:17.305 --> 01:43:20.985
John's water system. Uh, it fits in.

1969
01:43:21.525 --> 01:43:24.385
We just don't know because we don't get anything.

1970
01:43:25.165 --> 01:43:29.185
But I hate to see water power degradation occur

1971
01:43:29.725 --> 01:43:32.025
if they try and take care of that whole site.

1972
01:43:32.925 --> 01:43:36.225
Um, we've not seen anything about how they're going to get

1973
01:43:36.875 --> 01:43:41.625
storm drainage into the commercial, uh,

1974
01:43:42.225 --> 01:43:46.665
retention area without crossing our road

1975
01:43:46.845 --> 01:43:47.985
or going under our road.

1976
01:43:47.985 --> 01:43:50.345
How are they gonna do it? I mean, I don't know what,

1977
01:43:50.545 --> 01:43:52.125
I don't think think there's any infrastructure

1978
01:43:52.225 --> 01:43:53.405
in there now to handle it.

1979
01:43:54.065 --> 01:43:58.285
So, you know, it just seems like they're gonna do

1980
01:43:58.285 --> 01:44:01.885
what they wanna do and we don't come.

1981
01:44:02.465 --> 01:44:06.245
So all, all of that with Marion County, I mean it,

1982
01:44:06.245 --> 01:44:09.685
they're not, they're not going to provide us updates

1983
01:44:09.785 --> 01:44:11.005
or provide us the information

1984
01:44:11.005 --> 01:44:13.685
because it doesn't, it doesn't fall under our purview.

1985
01:44:13.705 --> 01:44:17.125
We, we don't, I know that you are passionate about it

1986
01:44:17.145 --> 01:44:19.445
and certainly you want to make sure that the area

1987
01:44:19.505 --> 01:44:22.325
and the residents have, are taken care of,

1988
01:44:22.505 --> 01:44:24.925
but it doesn't fall under District four to provide

1989
01:44:24.925 --> 01:44:26.005
that feedback too.

1990
01:44:26.505 --> 01:44:27.925
We can ask them for it

1991
01:44:28.065 --> 01:44:30.725
and certainly if they've made any type of approval

1992
01:44:30.825 --> 01:44:32.565
or they've gotten any type of application,

1993
01:44:32.915 --> 01:44:34.805
they would provide it as part of a public record.

1994
01:44:35.465 --> 01:44:37.765
But that's not something that I've asked for.

1995
01:44:37.945 --> 01:44:40.845
And I can certainly reach out to Marion County or Mr.

1996
01:44:40.865 --> 01:44:42.245
Deacon as the liaison can,

1997
01:44:42.705 --> 01:44:46.005
but we haven't, we have not asked Marion County

1998
01:44:46.105 --> 01:44:49.445
to provide any type of that documentation as of now.

1999
01:44:50.595 --> 01:44:53.365
When it comes to what you can

2000
01:44:53.365 --> 01:44:55.325
and can't do with Phillips Court, I'll let Mr.

2001
01:44:55.485 --> 01:44:57.045
Briana's comment. Um,

2002
01:44:57.245 --> 01:45:00.885
'cause I would also like to have him comment on the easement

2003
01:45:00.885 --> 01:45:02.285
that was provided

2004
01:45:02.285 --> 01:45:06.085
or reserved by the developer for that access to

2005
01:45:06.085 --> 01:45:07.285
that for commercial use.

2006
01:45:07.905 --> 01:45:11.365
So whether or not you can close access to it or,

2007
01:45:11.425 --> 01:45:15.445
or move things around, I don't know how that would impact

2008
01:45:15.445 --> 01:45:18.085
that easement that has been reserved by the developer

2009
01:45:18.505 --> 01:45:19.565
for that commercial use.

2010
01:45:21.345 --> 01:45:22.405
And that is one of the issues

2011
01:45:22.405 --> 01:45:24.885
that I see two issues right off the bat.

2012
01:45:24.885 --> 01:45:26.045
And one of them is the agreement

2013
01:45:26.065 --> 01:45:29.045
for maintenance contribution, which, um, was approved

2014
01:45:29.045 --> 01:45:31.405
by this board where they agreed to allow access to

2015
01:45:31.405 --> 01:45:34.805
that road, um, in exchange for 30 per 37%.

2016
01:45:34.825 --> 01:45:37.725
The other issue is that, if I recall, I have

2017
01:45:37.725 --> 01:45:40.325
to look at it again, but the plat that conveyed this area

2018
01:45:40.345 --> 01:45:44.485
to the district reserve, to the developer and its invitees

2019
01:45:44.505 --> 01:45:47.045
and assigns the right to access those roads as well.

2020
01:45:47.545 --> 01:45:49.005
If that language is in the plat

2021
01:45:49.005 --> 01:45:50.885
and it is reserved for the developer

2022
01:45:50.905 --> 01:45:54.245
and those that he permits, then that's an another issue

2023
01:45:54.245 --> 01:45:55.245
that the district might have.

2024
01:45:55.305 --> 01:45:56.725
So that's what we need to look at.

2025
01:45:56.885 --> 01:45:58.445
I think it's said that, but it's been a

2026
01:45:58.445 --> 01:45:59.485
while since I looked at it.

2027
01:46:00.625 --> 01:46:03.365
The other issue obviously is the, um,

2028
01:46:03.905 --> 01:46:05.685
the loan from the bank for the funds.

2029
01:46:05.865 --> 01:46:07.445
Um, there, there are a number of other issues,

2030
01:46:07.465 --> 01:46:09.445
but those are the two that pop out to me right now

2031
01:46:09.445 --> 01:46:12.485
that make it seem like it's gonna be difficult

2032
01:46:12.485 --> 01:46:15.005
to overcome if that's the language that's in that plat.

2033
01:46:17.265 --> 01:46:21.045
And, and I did as the board directed, um, you know,

2034
01:46:21.045 --> 01:46:22.965
we sent the letter to Marion County.

2035
01:46:23.585 --> 01:46:26.485
Marion County then sent the response back as we

2036
01:46:26.685 --> 01:46:29.725
provided to the board, in which they essentially said,

2037
01:46:29.725 --> 01:46:31.765
here's the information for the developer.

2038
01:46:32.265 --> 01:46:35.925
At that point, as I indicated, the developer and

2039
01:46:36.105 --> 01:46:39.245
or developers representative contacted district staff

2040
01:46:39.245 --> 01:46:42.365
where we had a conversation about the 37% maintenance.

2041
01:46:42.945 --> 01:46:46.765
Um, I did ask them to contribute more, um, not

2042
01:46:46.765 --> 01:46:50.005
of the street lighting, but as the ongoing maintenance

2043
01:46:50.005 --> 01:46:52.965
that would take place because of the, um, maintenance

2044
01:46:52.965 --> 01:46:55.885
of the road, especially with the heavy, not just traffic,

2045
01:46:56.105 --> 01:46:58.885
but trucks and, and commercial vehicles.

2046
01:46:59.265 --> 01:47:02.445
And as I reported last time, they indicated that based on

2047
01:47:02.445 --> 01:47:04.765
that agreement that the board entered into several years

2048
01:47:04.765 --> 01:47:07.765
ago, they would not adjust the percentage of maintenance.

2049
01:47:08.235 --> 01:47:10.725
They're also not willing to have any type

2050
01:47:10.725 --> 01:47:12.485
of negotiations or conversations.

2051
01:47:12.995 --> 01:47:14.845
This is something that in their

2052
01:47:14.845 --> 01:47:16.085
mind, they're going to work with.

2053
01:47:16.185 --> 01:47:19.205
Marion County on Marion County is the permitting agency.

2054
01:47:19.785 --> 01:47:22.685
Um, they took our information from the letter,

2055
01:47:22.685 --> 01:47:23.845
they said they received it,

2056
01:47:23.865 --> 01:47:26.525
and we'll certainly take into consideration,

2057
01:47:26.985 --> 01:47:31.165
but they have not, um, agreed to any type of a joint meeting

2058
01:47:31.355 --> 01:47:32.645
with staff

2059
01:47:32.785 --> 01:47:36.965
or the board as far as any type of change to their plans.

2060
01:47:37.315 --> 01:47:38.965
They indicated they would continue to work

2061
01:47:38.965 --> 01:47:40.965
with the county taking the consideration

2062
01:47:41.105 --> 01:47:44.285
or taking your, um, comments into consideration.

2063
01:47:44.545 --> 01:47:47.765
But they did not, um, agree to meet with us

2064
01:47:47.865 --> 01:47:49.365
or have any further conversation.

2065
01:47:52.665 --> 01:47:55.485
Uh, I hear, I hear what you say

2066
01:47:56.145 --> 01:47:58.685
and I just think this whole thing is absolutely

2067
01:47:58.895 --> 01:48:00.525
ridiculous to tell you the truth.

2068
01:48:01.265 --> 01:48:04.125
Um, that that agreement

2069
01:48:05.465 --> 01:48:06.925
was signed 15 or,

2070
01:48:06.945 --> 01:48:10.845
or in 2015, I believe, which was 10 years

2071
01:48:10.905 --> 01:48:12.645
or almost 11 years ago.

2072
01:48:13.185 --> 01:48:15.525
And at that point in time, that agreement was fine

2073
01:48:15.525 --> 01:48:17.645
because that was empty land that was sitting there.

2074
01:48:18.555 --> 01:48:23.405
It's changed. And if we have to pay to fix

2075
01:48:23.405 --> 01:48:24.845
that road every six months,

2076
01:48:25.165 --> 01:48:28.085
'cause they're gonna have their trucks driving on it.

2077
01:48:28.605 --> 01:48:30.245
I think we have an issue, and I don't know

2078
01:48:30.245 --> 01:48:31.485
what this board's willing to do,

2079
01:48:31.505 --> 01:48:36.245
but I'm willing to do a lot more to, I I we, we have

2080
01:48:36.245 --> 01:48:37.965
to have some kind rights.

2081
01:48:38.325 --> 01:48:41.325
I mean, it's not all, I hate to say this,

2082
01:48:41.345 --> 01:48:45.085
and this isn't against, I know the developer is really

2083
01:48:45.175 --> 01:48:47.805
smart, but we have to have some kinda rights.

2084
01:48:47.865 --> 01:48:51.645
That's our road, and it's our road only to a certain degree

2085
01:48:51.645 --> 01:48:54.085
because we can't do anything we want with it.

2086
01:48:54.605 --> 01:48:58.445
I, I just, I just don't agree with, with that.

2087
01:48:58.545 --> 01:49:01.005
And, and I understand all of this,

2088
01:49:01.745 --> 01:49:04.525
but there's gotta be some kind of compromise there.

2089
01:49:04.545 --> 01:49:07.525
And I'm not sure how we go about doing it,

2090
01:49:07.625 --> 01:49:10.605
but I I am not happy with what I am hearing.

2091
01:49:11.475 --> 01:49:13.485
Well, cliff, I I agree with you.

2092
01:49:13.545 --> 01:49:14.925
I'm not happy with it either.

2093
01:49:15.825 --> 01:49:19.685
Um, but looking, looking it over, um,

2094
01:49:21.705 --> 01:49:25.485
at the time it was very clear it said, we reserve this road

2095
01:49:25.795 --> 01:49:26.845
that use this road

2096
01:49:27.465 --> 01:49:30.245
and that these partials are going to be commercial

2097
01:49:31.515 --> 01:49:36.375
and there's a warning.

2098
01:49:36.895 --> 01:49:38.175
I, I mean, whether, whether

2099
01:49:38.175 --> 01:49:41.215
or not we thought that commercial minute might be office

2100
01:49:41.345 --> 01:49:45.175
space or something else, they put it in a document

2101
01:49:45.565 --> 01:49:49.045
that is recorded that said, here's what we're gonna do.

2102
01:49:50.265 --> 01:49:54.845
Um, you know, I'll certainly back you up if we,

2103
01:49:55.145 --> 01:49:57.445
if we ultimately want to go and, and,

2104
01:49:58.065 --> 01:50:01.825
and, uh, you know, do something further.

2105
01:50:02.685 --> 01:50:07.345
But, uh, based on what I'm seeing in these documents, we,

2106
01:50:07.445 --> 01:50:10.315
we don't have a lot of recourse now,

2107
01:50:12.275 --> 01:50:16.195
I think that the issue from Mulberry, from

2108
01:50:16.835 --> 01:50:19.595
Mulberry South into,

2109
01:50:19.815 --> 01:50:22.315
or God now I can't confused,

2110
01:50:22.535 --> 01:50:27.115
but into Philip the Phillips is ours

2111
01:50:27.375 --> 01:50:29.195
to, you know, to, to deal with.

2112
01:50:29.295 --> 01:50:30.395
And, and I don't think

2113
01:50:30.395 --> 01:50:33.395
that their documentation addresses that portion.

2114
01:50:34.195 --> 01:50:36.555
I believe that it just addresses the,

2115
01:50:36.975 --> 01:50:40.795
the portion from Mulberry Lane 2 42.

2116
01:50:41.895 --> 01:50:44.795
And so I, I think we, we can, if we want

2117
01:50:44.795 --> 01:50:47.995
to put up not barriers, but if we want to put up a gate

2118
01:50:48.095 --> 01:50:50.995
or whatever we want to do, I think we could do that.

2119
01:50:51.695 --> 01:50:54.195
But, um, I I I think we're,

2120
01:50:56.065 --> 01:50:57.915
there's not a whole lot that we can do.

2121
01:50:58.415 --> 01:51:00.435
No, I agree with you. I agree with you.

2122
01:51:00.595 --> 01:51:03.955
I just, I just think that from Mulberry

2123
01:51:04.295 --> 01:51:06.155
to the Phillips gate is ours.

2124
01:51:06.155 --> 01:51:08.275
Yeah. And that's the only thing that we have

2125
01:51:08.295 --> 01:51:09.555
to hang our hat on,

2126
01:51:09.575 --> 01:51:11.715
and that's what we need to hang our hat on

2127
01:51:11.865 --> 01:51:13.315
because that's ours.

2128
01:51:13.415 --> 01:51:16.955
But I agree from Mulberry to 42 is his,

2129
01:51:16.955 --> 01:51:19.395
that's always been his, I have no issue.

2130
01:51:19.575 --> 01:51:21.995
I'm, I'm not even looking at that, tell you the truth.

2131
01:51:22.215 --> 01:51:24.475
I'm just looking at that short little piece of mul

2132
01:51:24.935 --> 01:51:29.395
of Phillips Court that goes into that development

2133
01:51:29.455 --> 01:51:31.835
for those people who live in those villas.

2134
01:51:32.895 --> 01:51:34.675
And that's, that's, that's ours.

2135
01:51:35.215 --> 01:51:38.795
And there's no way that they can take that away from us.

2136
01:51:38.795 --> 01:51:42.515
That's ours. Well, the piece from 42 to, uh,

2137
01:51:42.595 --> 01:51:44.235
Mulberry is also ours.

2138
01:51:45.295 --> 01:51:48.115
But, uh, there's, there could be some restrictions on that

2139
01:51:48.115 --> 01:51:49.755
because it is a collector road

2140
01:51:50.295 --> 01:51:52.675
and there could be some agreements that were made on that.

2141
01:51:53.495 --> 01:51:57.355
Uh, but, uh, should, shouldn't, uh,

2142
01:51:57.895 --> 01:51:59.595
the attorney be taking a look at

2143
01:51:59.735 --> 01:52:02.955
and seeing what, uh, what we can do

2144
01:52:02.955 --> 01:52:06.675
with the road going from Mulberry Lane South

2145
01:52:06.675 --> 01:52:07.875
through the villas.

2146
01:52:07.975 --> 01:52:10.675
Uh, you know, I think it's something we have

2147
01:52:10.675 --> 01:52:11.715
to get a good answer on.

2148
01:52:12.335 --> 01:52:16.035
And, uh, I, I haven't found anything in these documents

2149
01:52:17.025 --> 01:52:19.635
that said that the developer

2150
01:52:20.815 --> 01:52:24.635
had rights had written in rights to use

2151
01:52:25.355 --> 01:52:28.875
a private road, uh, for the commercial.

2152
01:52:29.655 --> 01:52:31.195
Uh, I, I haven't seen it there.

2153
01:52:31.895 --> 01:52:33.275
It could be out there, mark,

2154
01:52:33.295 --> 01:52:35.275
and it could be in some other documents,

2155
01:52:35.375 --> 01:52:37.395
but nothing I read in there.

2156
01:52:37.535 --> 01:52:40.035
And, but there's some real, uh,

2157
01:52:40.035 --> 01:52:43.595
real garbage in in those things, other percentages

2158
01:52:43.615 --> 01:52:44.755
of stuff. So

2159
01:52:45.395 --> 01:52:48.615
Even, even that one block

2160
01:52:49.205 --> 01:52:54.175
from Mulberry North to 42, the only thing

2161
01:52:54.245 --> 01:52:58.215
that we, that I recall us giving the developer is

2162
01:52:58.215 --> 01:52:59.975
that island where the signage,

2163
01:53:00.795 --> 01:53:05.415
and he agreed to maintain that sign in exchange for

2164
01:53:06.255 --> 01:53:10.535
changing the sign to include some commercial information.

2165
01:53:11.795 --> 01:53:14.895
And so even, even the two sides of that island

2166
01:53:15.915 --> 01:53:18.015
is our maintenance responsibility.

2167
01:53:18.835 --> 01:53:21.815
And except for maybe 37%,

2168
01:53:22.595 --> 01:53:26.375
and I can't fathom that

2169
01:53:27.075 --> 01:53:29.735
if we're talking about thousands of cars coming in every day

2170
01:53:29.995 --> 01:53:34.575
and going out every day from the commercial area versus 300

2171
01:53:35.915 --> 01:53:40.755
residents, I'm talking 165 homes with maybe 300 residents.

2172
01:53:42.535 --> 01:53:46.995
Our wear and tear on that road from the residence

2173
01:53:47.735 --> 01:53:50.675
is probably less than 5%.

2174
01:53:51.335 --> 01:53:56.075
And the other 95% is gonna be commercial wear and tear.

2175
01:53:57.295 --> 01:53:59.995
And, and so there's some really serious

2176
01:54:02.125 --> 01:54:04.885
failures and discrepancies in that.

2177
01:54:05.465 --> 01:54:07.365
Now we have gates all over the villages.

2178
01:54:07.365 --> 01:54:09.645
You can look at Mayfield Villages and any of the others,

2179
01:54:10.465 --> 01:54:13.525
and their gates are right up to our collector roads.

2180
01:54:14.385 --> 01:54:19.205
And, uh, I I think that if we wanted

2181
01:54:19.225 --> 01:54:23.045
to, that we could put our gate at the intersection

2182
01:54:23.105 --> 01:54:25.205
of Mulberry and 91st

2183
01:54:26.375 --> 01:54:30.325
going south, going to the gate. Well,

2184
01:54:30.805 --> 01:54:32.525
I guess what we need is the consensus

2185
01:54:32.525 --> 01:54:36.165
of this board wants marked to, to do more investigation.

2186
01:54:36.485 --> 01:54:38.605
I think it is from what I'm hearing. Yeah.

2187
01:54:38.635 --> 01:54:40.925
Well, we had talked to the last board meeting about whether

2188
01:54:40.955 --> 01:54:42.525
Mark could have enough time to do that.

2189
01:54:42.705 --> 01:54:45.085
He indicated that he could take that on

2190
01:54:45.945 --> 01:54:50.445
and, uh, I would be supportive of Mark doing that.

2191
01:54:50.915 --> 01:54:53.485
Okay. So we have a consensus mark. Okay.

2192
01:54:53.755 --> 01:54:55.605
Hopefully I haven't heard from anybody else.

2193
01:54:55.605 --> 01:54:58.245
Hopefully we can get that as quickly as possible

2194
01:54:58.245 --> 01:55:00.685
because this thing is not gonna go away

2195
01:55:00.745 --> 01:55:04.045
and we're not gonna continue to fight the same issues over,

2196
01:55:04.045 --> 01:55:05.045
Over. And, and Mr. Murphy,

2197
01:55:05.045 --> 01:55:05.725
thank you

2198
01:55:05.865 --> 01:55:07.685
for all the work you've done on this.

2199
01:55:08.185 --> 01:55:10.885
That's, that's a really impressive bit

2200
01:55:10.885 --> 01:55:11.925
of research you've done.

2201
01:55:13.075 --> 01:55:17.485
Okay. Committee updates, uh, um, investment consult.

2202
01:55:18.945 --> 01:55:20.085
Jim, did you have a meeting?

2203
01:55:20.305 --> 01:55:22.445
You didn't have a meeting the other board?

2204
01:55:23.785 --> 01:55:26.765
No, they didn't have anything. Okay.

2205
01:55:26.765 --> 01:55:28.925
That's, I didn't hear that. I'm sorry. That's okay.

2206
01:55:28.955 --> 01:55:31.485
Yeah, there were, uh, there were four charts you had

2207
01:55:31.585 --> 01:55:32.725
all in front of you.

2208
01:55:33.385 --> 01:55:36.205
Uh, there's a little bit of movement within, uh,

2209
01:55:36.675 --> 01:55:37.725
core allocations

2210
01:55:38.705 --> 01:55:43.325
and, um, we don't need to spend a lot of time on 'em.

2211
01:55:43.325 --> 01:55:45.205
They're just documents they have in your hand.

2212
01:55:45.985 --> 01:55:49.365
Um, the only thing I should note is, you know, this, um,

2213
01:55:50.645 --> 01:55:54.165
PFM really only manages on an active basis

2214
01:55:54.905 --> 01:55:58.845
the long term portion of our portfolio by some agreements

2215
01:55:58.845 --> 01:56:01.365
that were reached a year ago between Mr.

2216
01:56:01.475 --> 01:56:04.445
Blocker and um, PFC.

2217
01:56:05.225 --> 01:56:09.205
So the rest of them, uh, pretty much are being watched

2218
01:56:09.385 --> 01:56:13.725
by staff and movements, uh, are being moved

2219
01:56:13.725 --> 01:56:17.885
around within the, um, the, uh, short term

2220
01:56:17.985 --> 01:56:22.925
and core allocations, uh, as they see fit

2221
01:56:23.905 --> 01:56:25.925
to where the most, uh,

2222
01:56:26.445 --> 01:56:28.605
interest can be made on the money, let's put it that way.

2223
01:56:29.425 --> 01:56:33.605
So, okay. Um, let's not spend any time on it.

2224
01:56:33.665 --> 01:56:36.005
You all have a copy of it and Yep.

2225
01:56:36.025 --> 01:56:38.165
If any member that audience wants it,

2226
01:56:38.435 --> 01:56:40.725
it's available in the minutes.

2227
01:56:42.155 --> 01:56:44.245
Okay. Multi Motor Path discussion group.

2228
01:56:44.465 --> 01:56:46.565
Uh, the next meeting is in January,

2229
01:56:47.065 --> 01:56:49.525
so I don't have anything. Mark, Mr.

2230
01:56:49.525 --> 01:56:52.365
Chair, if I could just on that, on both district 14

2231
01:56:52.365 --> 01:56:55.125
and 15 this month, pass the resolution to join the group.

2232
01:56:56.105 --> 01:56:57.645
Yes, sir. Say that again.

2233
01:56:58.605 --> 01:57:00.765
District 14 and 15 have joined the group.

2234
01:57:01.045 --> 01:57:03.485
I asked staff to reach out to them

2235
01:57:03.625 --> 01:57:05.005
and see if they would be interested.

2236
01:57:05.505 --> 01:57:09.245
That's awesome. It's best news I can say. Okay.

2237
01:57:09.645 --> 01:57:13.205
I did get a chance driving rain by, by the way, at nighttime

2238
01:57:13.345 --> 01:57:16.205
and the district that just did all the,

2239
01:57:17.065 --> 01:57:18.405
put all the lights in.

2240
01:57:18.405 --> 01:57:21.325
Which district was that? Virginia five. Huh? District five.

2241
01:57:21.725 --> 01:57:23.565
District five. Boy, they were bright. Yep.

2242
01:57:24.155 --> 01:57:26.125
It's your, it's your works. I'll tell you that.

2243
01:57:26.945 --> 01:57:30.445
Um, mark, just real quick, uh,

2244
01:57:30.445 --> 01:57:31.525
Lieutenant Adams is here earlier

2245
01:57:31.985 --> 01:57:35.485
and as far as the DPSD, you have the report in front of you.

2246
01:57:35.905 --> 01:57:37.205
And once again, the, uh,

2247
01:57:37.505 --> 01:57:40.805
the stroke truck is just doing marbles across the community.

2248
01:57:41.065 --> 01:57:43.645
That's all I have. Yeah.

2249
01:57:43.645 --> 01:57:46.605
At, at, uh, at the public safety board meeting,

2250
01:57:47.035 --> 01:57:49.685
they talked a lot about the stroke truck, um,

2251
01:57:49.715 --> 01:57:51.045
this past Wednesday.

2252
01:57:51.105 --> 01:57:54.565
And, um, that's gonna be a huge

2253
01:57:55.115 --> 01:57:56.605
lifesaver in this community.

2254
01:57:56.665 --> 01:57:58.765
That's really, really, I mean,

2255
01:57:58.765 --> 01:58:01.085
they have absolutely everything in that truck

2256
01:58:01.115 --> 01:58:02.365
that the hospital has.

2257
01:58:02.425 --> 01:58:06.165
Yep. So do not die for. Huh? Do not die for.

2258
01:58:07.495 --> 01:58:10.685
Right. I wonder how that interfaces, uh, going to interface

2259
01:58:10.685 --> 01:58:13.245
with all the a ED programs that are out there.

2260
01:58:14.065 --> 01:58:16.925
Pardon? The a ED programs? Yeah.

2261
01:58:17.545 --> 01:58:20.005
Oh, I wonder if this vehicle here would get you.

2262
01:58:20.005 --> 01:58:23.445
They're just as quick. Uh, well, they're emergency.

2263
01:58:23.445 --> 01:58:24.685
They're, they're not quite as quick,

2264
01:58:24.745 --> 01:58:27.605
but once you get on that, on that truck, they don't, I mean,

2265
01:58:27.795 --> 01:58:29.765
they don't have to get you to the hospital

2266
01:58:29.845 --> 01:58:31.445
because they're doing the same thing here.

2267
01:58:31.885 --> 01:58:34.565
I mean, it's, it's paying off in dividends.

2268
01:58:34.595 --> 01:58:36.925
It's really a great improvement.

2269
01:58:37.145 --> 01:58:40.805
Um, Don uh, yes.

2270
01:58:41.525 --> 01:58:45.485
I just received this report from Marion County today,

2271
01:58:45.635 --> 01:58:49.005
this afternoon, and I immediately sent it to Jen

2272
01:58:49.425 --> 01:58:52.005
and she has emailed it to all of you.

2273
01:58:52.345 --> 01:58:55.645
Yes. And it tells you what's been going on, uh,

2274
01:58:55.955 --> 01:58:57.085
this month of November.

2275
01:58:57.905 --> 01:59:00.965
And this is, they started doing this just

2276
01:59:00.965 --> 01:59:02.085
in the last several months.

2277
01:59:02.785 --> 01:59:06.325
And it, it is informative and you can go online and,

2278
01:59:06.785 --> 01:59:08.925
and see it because there's some things here,

2279
01:59:08.925 --> 01:59:13.005
there are videos and it's, it's valuable to both us

2280
01:59:13.105 --> 01:59:14.285
and supervisors,

2281
01:59:14.465 --> 01:59:18.645
but also to our residents about, um, for example,

2282
01:59:18.785 --> 01:59:21.805
the animal hospitals talked about the food drive

2283
01:59:22.505 --> 01:59:26.845
and, um, he talks about some tourist things like the Donnel

2284
01:59:27.125 --> 01:59:29.365
airboats and so on for your guests

2285
01:59:29.425 --> 01:59:31.565
and yourselves too, if you wanna learn more

2286
01:59:31.565 --> 01:59:33.045
about the county you live in.

2287
01:59:33.505 --> 01:59:35.725
So all of you have this report. Yeah,

2288
01:59:36.045 --> 01:59:37.565
I didn't get a chance to look at

2289
01:59:37.565 --> 01:59:38.805
it. 'cause I had come here already.

2290
01:59:38.945 --> 01:59:41.965
It just went out When I got the email, but I saw it.

2291
01:59:42.345 --> 01:59:44.405
Um, okay. Old business status.

2292
01:59:45.105 --> 01:59:47.485
Yes, sir. Number one has already been complete,

2293
01:59:47.495 --> 01:59:50.085
which is the drainage assessment on Arlington Loop.

2294
01:59:50.745 --> 01:59:53.725
Number two is the depression at the

2295
01:59:53.725 --> 01:59:54.925
firm inlet on Crow Field.

2296
01:59:55.025 --> 01:59:56.605
And I see Mr. Harris coming up

2297
01:59:56.605 --> 01:59:58.165
to provide an update on this item.

2298
01:59:59.395 --> 02:00:02.165
Mike Harris Istic property management. Well, no. Good.

2299
02:00:02.425 --> 02:00:03.485
No news is good news.

2300
02:00:03.545 --> 02:00:05.005
So we don't have a lot of updates,

2301
02:00:05.105 --> 02:00:07.205
but everything that's being done now, we're currently

2302
02:00:07.805 --> 02:00:09.445
cleaning the grout in the stormwater pipe

2303
02:00:09.445 --> 02:00:13.125
and have found no reason to need any cure in place.

2304
02:00:13.405 --> 02:00:15.285
Liner any additional liner for anything.

2305
02:00:15.905 --> 02:00:18.045
Um, we're hoping that'll be finished up next week.

2306
02:00:18.705 --> 02:00:22.565
Uh, the sanitary pipe, they are going in the manhole.

2307
02:00:22.565 --> 02:00:24.165
It'll be trenches. We don't have to dig it up.

2308
02:00:24.165 --> 02:00:25.325
They're going in the manhole, making a

2309
02:00:25.325 --> 02:00:26.525
little adjustment on the sag.

2310
02:00:26.865 --> 02:00:29.325
Should not disrupt anything. It should happen very quickly.

2311
02:00:30.065 --> 02:00:33.285
And then we will, I'm hoping by the end of next week

2312
02:00:33.285 --> 02:00:36.565
to have a solid update and a paving plan for you guys.

2313
02:00:36.865 --> 02:00:39.485
But everything we're seeing is good

2314
02:00:39.545 --> 02:00:42.045
and very low cost to to,

2315
02:00:42.045 --> 02:00:43.885
to make the little modifications that we needed.

2316
02:00:44.785 --> 02:00:47.485
It, it could be way worse is what I'm Okay.

2317
02:00:47.585 --> 02:00:52.365
Better of opinion on low cost, but, okay. Yeah, thank you.

2318
02:00:53.825 --> 02:00:56.325
Number three is storm debris collection,

2319
02:00:56.655 --> 02:00:58.885
which is included at the request of the board.

2320
02:00:59.265 --> 02:01:02.525
Um, we still have not received any information from FEMA

2321
02:01:02.585 --> 02:01:03.765
as far as reimbursement,

2322
02:01:03.945 --> 02:01:05.325
but knock on wood, we haven't had

2323
02:01:05.325 --> 02:01:07.285
to worry about storm debris collection this year.

2324
02:01:07.505 --> 02:01:10.125
So let's hope we don't have to talk about it. Thank you.

2325
02:01:10.385 --> 02:01:12.285
Number four we've already discussed,

2326
02:01:12.285 --> 02:01:13.565
which is the Philip Court.

2327
02:01:14.105 --> 02:01:16.205
Number five is an update on the

2328
02:01:16.325 --> 02:01:17.405
Multiple, oh, question, just comment.

2329
02:01:17.995 --> 02:01:20.845
This is where they use the term, um, in their, uh,

2330
02:01:20.845 --> 02:01:22.165
maintenance responsibility.

2331
02:01:22.905 --> 02:01:25.805
It says Philip Corp for 42, the villa entry,

2332
02:01:26.055 --> 02:01:30.885
which constructed as quote, heavy, dirty commercial use.

2333
02:01:31.985 --> 02:01:34.325
Uh, there's nothing, any documents that uses

2334
02:01:34.325 --> 02:01:35.485
that term. Where'd it come from?

2335
02:01:35.705 --> 02:01:37.085
It came straight from the engineer.

2336
02:01:37.185 --> 02:01:39.125
We reached out to them. The one that, well,

2337
02:01:39.235 --> 02:01:41.045
It's not in the engineer reports.

2338
02:01:41.565 --> 02:01:46.005
I, they provided us that, um, an email with that.

2339
02:01:46.305 --> 02:01:48.565
We can certainly ask where, where that came from.

2340
02:01:48.885 --> 02:01:50.725
I think we ought to challenge what he means.

2341
02:01:51.535 --> 02:01:53.485
We'll, we'll go back and have them provide

2342
02:01:53.485 --> 02:01:54.485
That. If he's talking about collector

2343
02:01:54.485 --> 02:01:55.085
roads,

2344
02:01:55.305 --> 02:02:00.125
the collector road piece for 42 to, uh, uh, Mulberry.

2345
02:02:00.315 --> 02:02:02.405
Okay. We'll use that term. That's good.

2346
02:02:02.905 --> 02:02:05.325
But if he's talking about it all the way back

2347
02:02:05.665 --> 02:02:08.805
to the gate at the villas, then we then we're back

2348
02:02:08.805 --> 02:02:11.925
to moving the gate at villas back to the intersection.

2349
02:02:12.655 --> 02:02:15.085
We'll ask for the backup from him. Okay.

2350
02:02:16.225 --> 02:02:20.045
Number five is, um, still with district council, uh,

2351
02:02:20.045 --> 02:02:21.605
for village Center, Mr. Stone.

2352
02:02:21.745 --> 02:02:23.445
But I have been told that, um,

2353
02:02:23.445 --> 02:02:25.485
based on the last multimodal pad discussion group,

2354
02:02:25.545 --> 02:02:28.685
it will be completely finalized for that next meeting.

2355
02:02:29.635 --> 02:02:32.335
You're talking about the ebu? Yes. Okay.

2356
02:02:32.555 --> 02:02:35.495
Number six is the maintenance condition

2357
02:02:35.495 --> 02:02:36.735
of stormwater basins.

2358
02:02:37.115 --> 02:02:39.095
Uh, last month Mr. Brown indicated

2359
02:02:39.125 --> 02:02:41.455
that district property management would be doing a

2360
02:02:41.455 --> 02:02:44.575
comprehensive review on all of the basins, which they did.

2361
02:02:44.795 --> 02:02:48.215
Um, they have not found any issues in any of your basins

2362
02:02:48.215 --> 02:02:50.975
that needed addressing as far as maintenance concerns.

2363
02:02:51.075 --> 02:02:53.175
And they provided some pictures to that.

2364
02:02:53.605 --> 02:02:57.015
They will continue, um, to monitor and as um,

2365
02:02:57.195 --> 02:02:59.815
or if issues come up, we will report back

2366
02:02:59.815 --> 02:03:02.655
to the board on the specific issues or basins.

2367
02:03:02.995 --> 02:03:04.735
And certainly if you have any areas

2368
02:03:04.835 --> 02:03:06.295
of concerns, please let us know.

2369
02:03:06.615 --> 02:03:09.855
I have a couple of questions. Uh, first of all,

2370
02:03:10.895 --> 02:03:14.295
I could not find solitude, uh,

2371
02:03:14.295 --> 02:03:16.175
labeled on any of the pictures.

2372
02:03:17.115 --> 02:03:21.815
And, um, so I was concerned about

2373
02:03:22.465 --> 02:03:24.135
which one that was. What

2374
02:03:24.135 --> 02:03:25.295
Do you mean solitude labeled?

2375
02:03:25.405 --> 02:03:29.015
Well, it says solitude is currently, uh,

2376
02:03:29.015 --> 02:03:30.975
treatments per the new contract.

2377
02:03:31.795 --> 02:03:35.015
Oh, that's, is that the contractor? Yes, sir. Okay.

2378
02:03:35.555 --> 02:03:37.575
Um, not all of the pictures are labeled.

2379
02:03:38.555 --> 02:03:43.295
And uh, secondly I'd like to see a map with that, that

2380
02:03:44.095 --> 02:03:47.175
identifies the location of those ponds

2381
02:03:48.255 --> 02:03:52.025
That we, the, we, the only map we have is the one that we

2382
02:03:52.265 --> 02:03:53.745
provided last time with the maintenance

2383
02:03:54.025 --> 02:03:55.065
responsibilities and ownership.

2384
02:03:55.485 --> 02:03:57.225
Can we get, Do you need that resent?

2385
02:03:57.445 --> 02:04:00.425
If, if we can to correlate with the pond?

2386
02:04:00.925 --> 02:04:05.105
I'm not sure that the pictures of the ponds with the labels

2387
02:04:05.105 --> 02:04:07.225
that are on those ponds, we correlate

2388
02:04:07.225 --> 02:04:08.785
with the map that we already have.

2389
02:04:10.705 --> 02:04:14.115
Okay. We, we tried one where they added the descriptions,

2390
02:04:14.115 --> 02:04:15.755
like the villas to make it easier

2391
02:04:15.895 --> 02:04:17.075
to understand where they were.

2392
02:04:17.255 --> 02:04:19.835
But we can add the official name

2393
02:04:19.835 --> 02:04:21.115
where it will correlate to your map.

2394
02:04:21.645 --> 02:04:24.155
Thank you. Okay.

2395
02:04:29.615 --> 02:04:32.555
And number seven was, um,

2396
02:04:32.695 --> 02:04:34.915
to communicate the concern about the Phillips Villa.

2397
02:04:35.165 --> 02:04:38.125
Again, they did indicate that the sign would be added back

2398
02:04:38.125 --> 02:04:39.605
or the name would be added back.

2399
02:04:39.885 --> 02:04:42.045
I don't believe we've gotten an update on that,

2400
02:04:42.065 --> 02:04:43.885
Mr. Harris, other than it

2401
02:04:44.745 --> 02:04:46.285
Is the sign named back up there.

2402
02:04:46.405 --> 02:04:47.965
I mean, it doesn't take weeks

2403
02:04:48.505 --> 02:04:50.125
or months to put, it's been, it's

2404
02:04:50.125 --> 02:04:52.205
Been four months already with that. No sign.

2405
02:04:52.935 --> 02:04:55.885
Ma'am. Ma'am, you need to, if you're gonna talk, you need

2406
02:04:55.885 --> 02:04:56.925
to come to the microphone.

2407
02:04:57.425 --> 02:04:59.805
My care district property manager, there's been no updates.

2408
02:04:59.915 --> 02:05:02.285
I've asked twice. They said they were looking to see

2409
02:05:02.285 --> 02:05:04.205
who took it down, but I've heard nothing back.

2410
02:05:05.025 --> 02:05:07.485
The, the, the communication that I got was as soon

2411
02:05:07.485 --> 02:05:08.605
as they changed the sign they will

2412
02:05:08.605 --> 02:05:09.645
put back, but they have no idea.

2413
02:05:09.645 --> 02:05:11.925
Took it down. Well, I know, but changing the sign could be

2414
02:05:11.985 --> 02:05:13.005
six months from now.

2415
02:05:13.285 --> 02:05:17.165
I, I just don't, I just don't understand what takes so long

2416
02:05:17.265 --> 02:05:18.285
to put that back up.

2417
02:05:18.755 --> 02:05:21.125
That was the biggest mistake we ever made in

2418
02:05:21.125 --> 02:05:22.285
control of that sign.

2419
02:05:22.765 --> 02:05:25.925
I will continue asking. Okay. I promise. Please. That's,

2420
02:05:25.985 --> 02:05:27.445
That's 'cause residents have a right to have.

2421
02:05:27.705 --> 02:05:31.485
We need an answer. They are, they are in violation

2422
02:05:31.785 --> 02:05:35.045
of their contract with us on the agreement

2423
02:05:35.155 --> 02:05:36.405
regarding that sign.

2424
02:05:38.085 --> 02:05:39.805
I will forward that information along.

2425
02:05:40.825 --> 02:05:45.285
Um, I, Nancy is from Phillips Village.

2426
02:05:45.675 --> 02:05:48.765
It's been months that it happened within a couple of weeks

2427
02:05:48.775 --> 02:05:50.525
after the June 30th.

2428
02:05:50.525 --> 02:05:52.325
And now I'd like to hear from Nancy.

2429
02:05:53.705 --> 02:05:55.925
No, I know. And they keep saying it's gonna be done.

2430
02:05:56.085 --> 02:05:58.125
I, I, you know, okay.

2431
02:06:01.105 --> 02:06:03.125
So people need to see a picture of

2432
02:06:03.125 --> 02:06:05.285
what the lacking of the sign looks like.

2433
02:06:05.445 --> 02:06:08.925
I do have one with me. Um, the issue has been,

2434
02:06:09.115 --> 02:06:10.165
it's been four months

2435
02:06:10.665 --> 02:06:13.805
and this sign, if you guys don't know, it's the sign

2436
02:06:13.805 --> 02:06:15.165
that's down on 42.

2437
02:06:15.865 --> 02:06:20.365
So when we have anybody coming that's doing deliveries

2438
02:06:20.365 --> 02:06:24.165
or whatsoever, and they're coming from 4 41 east to west,

2439
02:06:25.315 --> 02:06:28.965
they drive right by because we have no signs.

2440
02:06:30.265 --> 02:06:31.285
And all they really have

2441
02:06:31.285 --> 02:06:33.885
to do is put a fill fill sign if they're waiting.

2442
02:06:34.555 --> 02:06:37.165
What the original plans that you guys agreed

2443
02:06:37.165 --> 02:06:42.125
to back in 2015, 2016 showed Phillips fill as it is today,

2444
02:06:42.185 --> 02:06:46.285
and then up around it was Mulberry Marketplace.

2445
02:06:46.985 --> 02:06:49.125
So that would be an additional sign.

2446
02:06:49.185 --> 02:06:52.045
So I don't even see why they would think they have to wait.

2447
02:06:52.545 --> 02:06:54.845
We just need something, even if somebody comes

2448
02:06:54.905 --> 02:06:58.165
and paints villa up there.

2449
02:06:58.825 --> 02:06:59.965
So thank you very much.

2450
02:07:00.235 --> 02:07:02.685
Okay, I'll, I'll reach out to the developer. I

2451
02:07:02.685 --> 02:07:05.365
Yeah, I mean you could tell 'em it's

2452
02:07:05.365 --> 02:07:07.565
getting kinda ridiculous. Four months is

2453
02:07:08.475 --> 02:07:09.645
More than not just six.

2454
02:07:09.705 --> 02:07:13.045
You said six months. It could, they, I saw

2455
02:07:13.595 --> 02:07:16.045
something somewhere that said that they expected the Walmart

2456
02:07:16.225 --> 02:07:19.245
to be completed sometime in 27. Yeah.

2457
02:07:19.245 --> 02:07:21.085
Spring of 2027. Yes.

2458
02:07:21.625 --> 02:07:24.685
And that's when the sign's gonna be ready.

2459
02:07:24.745 --> 02:07:26.005
That's ridiculous. Well,

2460
02:07:26.465 --> 02:07:29.765
and it's a violation of our contract agreement. Okay.

2461
02:07:30.675 --> 02:07:32.405
Okay. Informational items only.

2462
02:07:35.465 --> 02:07:37.645
We all got, we all got the amenity

2463
02:07:37.745 --> 02:07:40.085
or the a a c after agenda.

2464
02:07:40.565 --> 02:07:43.605
I, I printed it yesterday, so, um,

2465
02:07:45.045 --> 02:07:46.325
I don't see anything on there.

2466
02:07:46.465 --> 02:07:49.405
So with no other questions. District manager report?

2467
02:07:49.905 --> 02:07:53.005
Yes, sir. Um, I would like to, um,

2468
02:07:53.155 --> 02:07:56.725
introduce Mr. Johnny Bishop, who is our Executive Director

2469
02:07:56.725 --> 02:07:58.365
of Support Services in the back.

2470
02:07:58.865 --> 02:08:01.645
Uh, Mr. Bishop will be providing additional support

2471
02:08:01.785 --> 02:08:04.845
to district property management, fleet maintenance

2472
02:08:05.145 --> 02:08:07.125
and, um, asset management.

2473
02:08:07.225 --> 02:08:08.245
So the GIS

2474
02:08:08.245 --> 02:08:11.245
and City Works program, he brings a lot of knowledge

2475
02:08:11.245 --> 02:08:13.765
and expertise that will provide valuable to all three

2476
02:08:13.765 --> 02:08:15.365
of those departments and divisions.

2477
02:08:15.745 --> 02:08:18.165
Mr. Harris will remain the director of the department,

2478
02:08:18.185 --> 02:08:21.165
but you can, um, expect to see Mr. Bishop providing

2479
02:08:21.165 --> 02:08:22.365
that additional level of support.

2480
02:08:22.915 --> 02:08:25.005
Okay. And then, welcome Mr. Bishop.

2481
02:08:26.605 --> 02:08:29.445
I would like to turn it over to Mr. Armstrong,

2482
02:08:29.505 --> 02:08:32.005
who is going to give an overview of Gov Built,

2483
02:08:32.005 --> 02:08:34.805
which is a new software platform with his department that

2484
02:08:34.865 --> 02:08:37.165
as you'll be able to tell, he is very excited about.

2485
02:08:38.655 --> 02:08:42.485
Hello boy. Uh, good afternoon

2486
02:08:42.485 --> 02:08:43.485
Board. Uh, yes.

2487
02:08:43.485 --> 02:08:44.485
Thank you Ms. Duckett.

2488
02:08:44.485 --> 02:08:46.525
We are very excited about this new opportunity within

2489
02:08:46.595 --> 02:08:47.725
community standards.

2490
02:08:47.825 --> 02:08:49.085
And if you had a, a chance

2491
02:08:49.125 --> 02:08:51.325
to read the Hour Place article in the newspaper,

2492
02:08:51.325 --> 02:08:53.365
we ca gave a little bit of details as to

2493
02:08:53.675 --> 02:08:54.965
what it's going to do for us.

2494
02:08:55.545 --> 02:08:58.405
Uh, currently everything that we do is a paper process.

2495
02:08:58.985 --> 02:09:00.005
All of our applications,

2496
02:09:00.025 --> 02:09:02.205
all our decompliance processes done via paper.

2497
02:09:02.235 --> 02:09:05.085
This is an opportunity to streamline those services

2498
02:09:05.345 --> 02:09:08.405
for a more efficient and effective way of doing business.

2499
02:09:08.585 --> 02:09:10.805
Uh, applications for architectural review will be able

2500
02:09:10.805 --> 02:09:12.045
to be submitted online now

2501
02:09:12.065 --> 02:09:13.685
for residents that, that want to do that.

2502
02:09:14.305 --> 02:09:16.485
And, uh, we will begin our education process

2503
02:09:16.515 --> 02:09:17.645
with our residents and vendors

2504
02:09:17.675 --> 02:09:19.245
with this in the coming coming month.

2505
02:09:19.665 --> 02:09:22.005
But for example, last year we did 13,000 applications

2506
02:09:22.025 --> 02:09:24.685
by hand and using applications about five,

2507
02:09:24.875 --> 02:09:25.885
five sheets of paper.

2508
02:09:26.545 --> 02:09:29.405
Um, now we'll be able to where, give instant communication

2509
02:09:29.405 --> 02:09:31.645
to the homeowner as the process is going along,

2510
02:09:31.755 --> 02:09:32.925
including the approval

2511
02:09:32.985 --> 02:09:35.325
or denial of that application once it has been reviewed,

2512
02:09:35.325 --> 02:09:36.685
instead of waiting additional two days

2513
02:09:36.745 --> 02:09:39.205
to process all those applications and then get them online.

2514
02:09:39.625 --> 02:09:40.645
So better efficiency

2515
02:09:40.645 --> 02:09:42.325
and communication also with our residents.

2516
02:09:42.505 --> 02:09:44.525
And then from behind the scenes deep compliance.

2517
02:09:44.665 --> 02:09:46.845
We have a, a workflow that we've created to

2518
02:09:46.845 --> 02:09:49.285
where all the information's going into a single area,

2519
02:09:49.705 --> 02:09:51.885
and we're not, we're dealing with multiple file folders

2520
02:09:51.945 --> 02:09:53.525
and different locations that we have

2521
02:09:53.525 --> 02:09:54.685
to collect the information from.

2522
02:09:54.785 --> 02:09:56.645
So we are excited to, uh,

2523
02:09:56.785 --> 02:09:59.005
get into some technology to help us along the way.

2524
02:10:01.795 --> 02:10:03.285
Matt? Okay. Go ahead, dad.

2525
02:10:03.945 --> 02:10:06.405
Um, is this gonna help in any way

2526
02:10:06.595 --> 02:10:08.725
with deed compliance online

2527
02:10:10.875 --> 02:10:12.375
In, In this gov bill?

2528
02:10:13.075 --> 02:10:15.655
So the way that deed compliance will work

2529
02:10:15.655 --> 02:10:18.895
behind the scenes, residents won't see any differences

2530
02:10:18.915 --> 02:10:22.735
as far as, um, your timeline that you've established.

2531
02:10:22.735 --> 02:10:24.655
We're still gonna follow the letter generation timelines,

2532
02:10:24.655 --> 02:10:25.975
and that timeline's gonna stay the same

2533
02:10:26.715 --> 02:10:28.295
for residents submitting concerns.

2534
02:10:28.295 --> 02:10:30.495
You can still do it by phone, you can do it online

2535
02:10:31.125 --> 02:10:32.935
through the reported deed violation button

2536
02:10:33.020 --> 02:10:34.965
that already exists on your district webpage.

2537
02:10:35.225 --> 02:10:37.565
The only difference with that is behind the scenes, instead

2538
02:10:37.565 --> 02:10:39.845
of it being sent to me in an email, I then take the email,

2539
02:10:39.865 --> 02:10:40.925
put it into a spreadsheet.

2540
02:10:40.985 --> 02:10:42.405
My staff then takes it from the spreadsheet

2541
02:10:42.405 --> 02:10:43.805
and puts it into their follow-up log.

2542
02:10:44.105 --> 02:10:45.285
It goes straight into the system

2543
02:10:45.345 --> 02:10:47.885
and we follow it in the system from the starting point.

2544
02:10:47.945 --> 02:10:50.925
So less moving about of that one complaint that's received,

2545
02:10:51.025 --> 02:10:52.805
but that's gonna be all kind of behind the scenes.

2546
02:10:53.075 --> 02:10:55.605
Okay. District four has a

2547
02:10:56.745 --> 02:10:59.165
semi-anonymous complaint system.

2548
02:11:00.035 --> 02:11:04.725
They have to give their unit number to show

2549
02:11:04.725 --> 02:11:07.565
that they, uh, do live in district four.

2550
02:11:07.625 --> 02:11:09.085
Mm-hmm. Um,

2551
02:11:10.185 --> 02:11:13.325
how do they provide the unit number if they call

2552
02:11:13.425 --> 02:11:15.235
in that?

2553
02:11:15.235 --> 02:11:16.355
You've got their phone number.

2554
02:11:16.815 --> 02:11:17.915
If they send an email,

2555
02:11:18.095 --> 02:11:21.155
you've got their email name and, and so on.

2556
02:11:21.535 --> 02:11:24.475
How do they convey their unit number

2557
02:11:24.865 --> 02:11:27.035
with their complaint without it

2558
02:11:27.595 --> 02:11:30.195
becoming a public record in some way?

2559
02:11:30.455 --> 02:11:32.955
So if they send anything via email, it's public record.

2560
02:11:33.595 --> 02:11:35.435
Regardless of what is the content is.

2561
02:11:35.435 --> 02:11:37.115
If they send it an email, it's public record

2562
02:11:37.135 --> 02:11:38.955
and we give it over in a public records request.

2563
02:11:39.365 --> 02:11:40.915
Right now, we do not track phone numbers.

2564
02:11:40.975 --> 02:11:42.715
If someone calls in concern

2565
02:11:42.775 --> 02:11:44.035
and we say, what is your unit number?

2566
02:11:44.035 --> 02:11:45.715
They provide it. That's the only thing we collect.

2567
02:11:46.255 --> 02:11:47.635
We do not collect phone numbers.

2568
02:11:47.815 --> 02:11:49.035
We didn't, the,

2569
02:11:49.295 --> 02:11:52.235
the caller ID half the time says robo question marks

2570
02:11:52.235 --> 02:11:53.595
and then gives us numerics.

2571
02:11:53.635 --> 02:11:57.315
I have Tim Duncan calling four times a day like Caller ID is

2572
02:11:57.315 --> 02:12:00.355
not a, a way that we do any form of business, um,

2573
02:12:00.415 --> 02:12:01.435
in community standards.

2574
02:12:01.695 --> 02:12:04.955
So as it stands right now online, when you go

2575
02:12:04.975 --> 02:12:06.475
and you drop down to District four,

2576
02:12:06.475 --> 02:12:09.595
when you select your district, there's a, the, the fields

2577
02:12:09.665 --> 02:12:11.955
that require information, the only thing that pops up

2578
02:12:11.955 --> 02:12:13.675
as an asterisk is the unit number.

2579
02:12:13.855 --> 02:12:16.195
And it won't allow you to submit the concern until

2580
02:12:16.195 --> 02:12:17.755
that unit number has been filled in

2581
02:12:18.135 --> 02:12:20.075
and which, when we receive it, we still confirm

2582
02:12:20.075 --> 02:12:22.035
that the unit number resides within the district

2583
02:12:22.175 --> 02:12:24.075
before we move forward with any concern process.

2584
02:12:24.205 --> 02:12:25.555
Where, where do you go online?

2585
02:12:26.375 --> 02:12:27.875
So on every number district,

2586
02:12:27.875 --> 02:12:29.475
there's a report deed violation button.

2587
02:12:29.545 --> 02:12:33.195
It's green and you can click on it and a form will pop up

2588
02:12:33.295 --> 02:12:35.995
and you select your district, district number four,

2589
02:12:36.455 --> 02:12:38.475
and it'll show contact information.

2590
02:12:38.475 --> 02:12:40.035
But the only required fear is the unit

2591
02:12:40.175 --> 02:12:42.595
and then also what your concern is on the bottom.

2592
02:12:43.455 --> 02:12:45.635
But still by mail, by phone,

2593
02:12:46.265 --> 02:12:48.435
however you wanna submit it, we will take it

2594
02:12:48.435 --> 02:12:50.035
and we will confirm that you're a resident

2595
02:12:50.035 --> 02:12:51.355
of District four by the unit number.

2596
02:12:51.865 --> 02:12:54.595
Matt, on a different subject,

2597
02:12:55.135 --> 02:12:57.635
are you gonna talk about this new program, uh,

2598
02:12:57.775 --> 02:13:00.675
in January when you do the talk for a POA

2599
02:13:00.935 --> 02:13:02.035
If you would like me to Yes, sir,

2600
02:13:02.115 --> 02:13:03.115
I would. Yes, please.

2601
02:13:03.115 --> 02:13:05.555
Let's get it out there so people

2602
02:13:06.135 --> 02:13:07.275
can start using it.

2603
02:13:07.875 --> 02:13:10.755
I think it's a great asset to you guys

2604
02:13:11.495 --> 02:13:12.595
and maybe I'll be able

2605
02:13:12.595 --> 02:13:15.155
to read the district four names this way.

2606
02:13:16.295 --> 02:13:20.035
And can you, when this is up and running, can you come

2607
02:13:20.115 --> 02:13:22.595
and give us a demonstration here at our meeting?

2608
02:13:23.235 --> 02:13:25.635
Absolutely. He'll be doing that to all the boards.

2609
02:13:25.815 --> 02:13:29.955
Yep. Is all the data on the deed restriction

2610
02:13:29.955 --> 02:13:33.765
that you have now on these 27 volumes of data, is

2611
02:13:33.765 --> 02:13:35.485
that all loaded into the system?

2612
02:13:36.185 --> 02:13:38.805
Not right now, no. Everything's backed up in the system

2613
02:13:39.025 --> 02:13:40.025
Anyway. Yeah, but is it

2614
02:13:40.025 --> 02:13:40.725
planned to do that?

2615
02:13:41.265 --> 02:13:44.045
So, uh, we, it can pull the data from it,

2616
02:13:44.225 --> 02:13:45.925
so if there's an address, we can look at the

2617
02:13:45.925 --> 02:13:47.085
historical nature of it.

2618
02:13:47.085 --> 02:13:48.885
We can still pull it in

2619
02:13:48.905 --> 02:13:51.205
and attach it to the file folder once we create

2620
02:13:51.285 --> 02:13:52.365
a file folder for it.

2621
02:13:52.365 --> 02:13:53.925
So that data will always remain.

2622
02:13:54.305 --> 02:13:56.405
But right now, just doing a big massive data

2623
02:13:56.405 --> 02:13:57.605
dump into it right now, no.

2624
02:13:57.605 --> 02:13:59.525
We have to especially organize all of that

2625
02:13:59.525 --> 02:14:00.645
and get it organized that way.

2626
02:14:00.645 --> 02:14:01.645
That'd be a lot.

2627
02:14:02.915 --> 02:14:07.645
Okay. Um, district council report, no reports.

2628
02:14:09.475 --> 02:14:14.045
Last change for public comment? Anybody in seeing none?

2629
02:14:14.385 --> 02:14:19.125
Motion to adjourn in order. Move. Second. Second. Aye.

2630
02:14:19.345 --> 02:14:22.765
All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Adjourned.