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Call to order the April 8th District 7

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Supervisors meeting.

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Let's do the roll call first. All supervisors are

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present. Let's stand and do the Pledge of Allegiance, please.

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After the Pledge of Allegiance, we'll like a moment of silence.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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Please be seated.

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Oh, boy.

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I want to thank the three people that showed up. Pretty good.

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I appreciate it.

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I just wonder anybody in the audience, which it's three of you.

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I know one person is, and I'm going to address that in a minute.

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It just happened, the woman there lives right next to me in the same

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neighborhood, and we have a problem I want to bring up.

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But

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that item that she wanted to discuss is on

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our agenda. So what I'd like to do is, I want to move that item

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up so she won't have to wait an hour and a half to

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get that. So let's do first, we'll do second.

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Anybody else in the audience have any item they want to bring up that's not on the

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agenda?

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No? Okay.

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Linda, please come. Stand up. Now, the item that I want to move up

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is the

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supervisors' comments on water meters.

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Before Linda starts, I could email- Hold on, Linda, one

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second. I'll get it. Before we start,

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there's a problem with the water meters, and I'm going to bring it up real quick

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just to start this foundation.

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What happened with the villages now, and I don't know if you're aware of it, but in

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Seneca Village and Villers, and a lot of other areas in the

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villages, they're putting in two meters.

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They're putting in the irrigation meters and your

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regular potable water meters, and they're replacing them.

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Now, they started doing it about a week and a half ago.

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About three days after they replaced them, I got four phone calls, and of course, I

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emailed Brittany,

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all at once saying,

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"They were here, they left. My sprinkler system's not on, but it's on."

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Okay? So

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I kind of know what's wrong with it.

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In the past, I used to do that and did have a job before I started in the port

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authority.

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I mean, in the villages. I worked for the port authority, and I had a

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very nice job, but that's beside the point.

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So I know a little bit about the subject.

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What happened was, when I got the first phone call, you didn't think anything of

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it, but I always tell everybody to email me first because I use their

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email, so when I email higher-ups like Brittany and whoever,

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Ken Block or Jesus, whoever I email,

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they know what's going on. The resident knows exactly what the

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answers are, what the questions are, and what the responses are.

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About 10 minutes later, I get two or three more.

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I got about four or five that day, phone calls from people in the

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neighborhood, in Seneca Village, which has about 62 homes in that

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village.

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I thought it was going to be another

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cable problem, another Quantum problem, but it didn't

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seem that bad.

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One of my neighbors paid $184 to get the problem

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fixed. What happened was,

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after they replaced the meter,

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the

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sprinkler system was on,

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but the system was off.

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Okay. Now, if any supervisors have this problem, I don't know if you got a call on

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it, anything. What's happening is, and

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this is what's happened, and I brought that up in my email to Brittany.

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What happens is when they change the... And this is a fact.

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Now, you can't prove it. When they change the meter-

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But it's a fact. It's a fact

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... Yeah. You know what I'm going to say. No, it's a fact, but this happens.

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No, it's a fact, it happens. Just because it's hard to prove. Okay?

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And if you listen, you'll know what I'm talking about.

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When they change the meter,

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dirt gets in the system.

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Your sprinkler systems have valves.

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That dirt goes into the valve and locks the valve open.

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Okay? So your system could be off, and you still could turn on your

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system. Your water's still working.

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What I mean is, if your system's off, your timer, and

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you go to your little box and turn that one valve on, your

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system will come on, even if your system's off.

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That's what the dirt does. It goes in the system, opens

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up the valve, and the valve doesn't close because it blocks the valve from closing.

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Now, I told one of the neighbors that, and they went to a

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Massey, they're the people that did this system, and they said, "Nah,

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we replaced it. There was dirt in it." But they called up the water company,

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they came, and they said, "No, we just replaced the meters.

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We replaced the meters. That's it. We're responsible for that.

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I don't know if it's dirt or not. It may happen." That's what they said.

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"But we're not responsible." Well, there was two

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residents that pursued it a little bit more.

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Linda's one, that's why she's here, and she's going to tell you her story.

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And another man which said, "The hell with it." He paid his $180 to get it fixed,

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and

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he just doesn't want to be bothered.

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I don't know if it's widespread,

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but if it is, then obviously there is a problem.

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If it's not widespread, then it's just isolated, and obviously

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It's still a problem.

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Yeah.

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Linda, you go. Give your name and address.

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Linda Findora. I'm at 1053 Burke Court.

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And-

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Put the mic down.

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Put the mic down a little bit for us. Yeah, there you go.

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Perfect.

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Okay.

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One of the neighbors was walking by my house and

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He noticed some water by one of my palm trees.

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It was about the size of a saucer

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and my system was off in the garage

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and so he went and turned the system off that's in that

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hole in the ground.

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I got my water bill the other day,

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I have used

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24,000 gallons of

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water in 10 days.

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Wow.

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Now,

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I don't know much about sprinkler systems.

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We've lived there almost 18 years, we've never had a problem.

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I'm by myself, my husband has passed away, and

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I'm kind of at a loss.

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And so I started making some phone calls.

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I talked to Jerry, I talked to the other gentleman that had

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a problem, and

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since then I've done a little bit more investigating.

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I guess I didn't have anything to do.

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So I called the number that was on my bill and

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I get a gentleman, he was very nice, and he says

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their job is to get the water to go through the meter.

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Yeah.

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That's it.

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And I tried to tell him what was happening with me.

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I got everything off and I didn't

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know what to do.

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I then get my water bill, I've used 24,000 gallons of

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water

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and I call up the number that's on the bill

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and I get

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another lady and she says

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that

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I obviously have a leak somewhere.

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On February 26th, they put in the new

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water meter. Now, one girl told me they only did the

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potable one.

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The other girl said they did both.

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I don't know what really happened.

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I talked to the gentleman that came along as he was putting

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someone else's meter in and he said his

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job is to put the meter in and get water running through it.

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I stopped another guy that was doing the same thing.

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Their job is to get the water running through the meter

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and that's it.

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I don't know what to do. So I called and talked to some

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girls

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and they said

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that on February 26th, they

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put the new meters in.

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On 3/2,

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they noticed that there was a lot of water going through

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even though my system is off in the garage.

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Mm-hmm.

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And it got steadily worse until

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3/13 when the neighbor came and turned it

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off and she said there's no way he could turn that

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water off without a special tool.

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I don't know.

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And so

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they said that a gentleman came out yesterday

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and left this card on my door

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and he said everything's perfect.

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The meter inspection passed the test, everything's great.

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The lady that I talked to, a Bobby,

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said that they would've left a note saying they would be back

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to check.

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No one has called, nobody came.

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I

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just don't know what to do. I'm still using water,

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irrigation water, and

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I'm not irrigating anything. It has been off since before

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we had the frost.

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I only have seven things that I

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water.

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Four little shrubs about this big, and they have drip lines

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so it doesn't use as much water and it gets right to the plant,

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and three palm trees that also have drip lines on.

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I don't know what to do.

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Linda, just to get the low, and let me butt in now.

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Your bill, you told me that your bill was... How much is your bill?

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When your system was off, how much is your bill on your

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irrigation system?

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Last month, for the irrigation it was 11

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cents. I used 50 gallons of water

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and my system was off.

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This time

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I used

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24,000 gallons of water

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and they billed me

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$94.58.

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Okay.

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I have my bills that go back to

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2022

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and I've never used that kind of water.

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I recommend right away, like you said, I think you did say that you have a guy

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coming in. Make sure he comes in soon because that

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water could be still going on even though your system's off.

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I don't want to get into... Brittany may know, but

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they have a system where they do give you a

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relief on your water bill one time lifetime.

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay? People don't realize that. So if they give you a relief now and

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five years from now your system's messed up and it costs you

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$500... Because there's people that have this problem, remember I'm doing this 13

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years. I know people have a bill for $300, $400

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and didn't realize their sprinkler was on.

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And then they had to eat most of that.

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And if they give you the relief, now you don't get

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anything.So it's very hard to prove that it

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happened because of the dirt, because once you open it up and shut it,

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you could clean it out, and that blockage now is not

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there anymore, so they can't say it was the dirt that did it.

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That's my point. It happens, but it's hard to prove that it

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happened, okay, and when it happened.

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Brittany, I don't know what we could do.

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I think she could put in for a relief of the $94, because they're going to keep

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coming out and say everything's working because it is working. Okay?

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The problem is why did it happen?

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I'm

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hoping, I hope it doesn't happen, but maybe because I don't know how many are doing

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it in the area, in the villages. I know Seneca Village, they did them

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all in two days. There was five, six groups going out.

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The more they do, the more problems they're going to have.

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The more problems they're going to have, the more it's going to make what I said is

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what's going on. Because if we don't have a lot of people with this problem,

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I got a feeling you're going to end up eating that bill.

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What do you recommend, Brittany?

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So the meter change-out project is the

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move to AMR, and all utilities are doing it.

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So we're roughly a year and a half into changing out

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140,000 meters. And unfortunately,

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I know for Ms. Vendora, this is the first issue I've heard of like

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this for any of the meter change-outs.

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They're only touching the meters, and they're only turning the water off at the

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meter location.

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They are currently working in the geographical area of District

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7, so it was LSSA and VCSA utilities north of

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466, and then as you move south, it goes to the North Sumter

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County Utility Dependent District and NSU and CSU

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utilities.

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I do have, and Ms. Vendora, I do apologize because this information came through

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at about 4:45 last night,

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and I know I did request utility billing reach out to you again, so

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I'll make sure they do that today.

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I do have the usage report where it does show that big spike

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starting on the 2nd, but it looks like it dropped off

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to no usage or very minimal between the

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12th of March and the 22nd. There's only a little, little

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tiny bit of usage in between that last week or so.

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But residents are eligible for the leak credit adjustment,

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and that's what I had discussed with the utility billing manager.

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So we'll make sure to get you all of that information.

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Brittany, I'm not as concerned about the money.

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Yeah, do I want to pay it? No, because it's outrageous

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for

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me turning things off and trying to do the right thing

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and not use water,

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and

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it's still running somehow. Not as much,

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but it's still using

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some. Even when I had it turned off last month, it

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still used 50 gallons.

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And

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I'm getting different information from different people.

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I'm leaving to go back to Ohio on the

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22nd.

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I need to get some closure to this. I don't want to waste

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water. That's why I had all the drip lines put in.

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I'm trying to do what I think is

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best for not only myself, but for the villages.

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And

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if you have any suggestions what I can do, I

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certainly will try, but-

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Linda, I would get that person, like you said today,

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get that person in to a PM, do a checkout your whole

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system, and they'll fix it. Now, obviously, there's going to be a cost, but you're

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going to have to do that.

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Brittany, I wonder if possibly, this would

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obviously delay, but I wonder if the homeowner is there

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when they do that, that before the technician

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leaves,

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have the homeowner shut off the system and

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let the technician look to see if water

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is running through the system. Then they would know immediately that there's an

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issue, and they could then, whether it's their

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responsibility to fix or not,

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at least at that point in time, the homeowner would know that there's

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something amiss. That it's the same issue that she's having and

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what Jerry explained. I don't know if they would be willing to do that

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if we talk to the installers, because it's going to take an

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extra minute, five minutes- ... to go ahead and do something

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like that if the homeowner's there.

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But you would at least know immediately that my

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system's off, but the meter's ticking,

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gallons of water running through it.

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I think they're going to have to actually run the sprinkler first,

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let that mud carry down

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to block off the solenoid.

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Yeah.

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Well, once again, you're talking about a difference of 5, 10 minutes.

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Yeah.

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Run through-

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It's not much time, but they might not be willing to do it

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... shut it off, make sure everything is shut down.

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But the problem is that when they came in Seneca Village,

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they came in like five different...

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There was two people,

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probably three, four trucks in 62 homes.

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And they did it all in one day. So that means most people

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are snowbirds, most people are not in, most people are playing golf that

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day.

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You're going to have to get everybody that's home. That becomes the problem.

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Yeah. I realize that.

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That becomes the problem.

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And I'm

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getting ready to close up the house

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because I'll be leaving,

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and I want to take care of the problem, and-

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Yeah. Well, Linda-

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I just... My husband could fix anything.

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Me, not much.

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Linda, just get somebody there. It's going to cost you. Get somebody there.

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Do away with the leak now, if there is a leak.

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Do away with it running because if your system's turned off, the system should not

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be on. So get that. Once the professional comes, they'll fix

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that.Brittany's working with you to get

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some of your money. Hopefully, they give you all of it

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back if they determine that was a problem, and

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hopefully this will take care or rectify the problem.

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Where did all that water go?

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It went into the ground

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.

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It might not be your meter.

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I've had

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the same problem, and it wasn't-

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You need to-

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You need to come to the-

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Yeah.

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You need to come up.

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Yeah, you got to come up and talk. You can't just talk. We got protocol, okay?

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No problem.

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Go speak.

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Come on up.

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Come up?

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Come on up.

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So I'm sorry, I just want to tell you.

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Yeah, give your name and address.

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Hi, my name's Valerie Brown. I live in the village of Hadley.

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Okay.

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And I've been here for two years, and so now you're like my little ward, or you're

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not district, so I'm all new. I'm from Las Vegas.

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Anyway, so I had the same problem you did.

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And I'm like, "What is happening?" And what it turned out to be,

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because I threw a fit

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and

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it wasn't the meter, but the meter was ticking.

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The trees got into the roots and got

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underneath the sewer

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line, and it erupted something under

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that turned my meter on. And Massey did come out.

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They had to dig up the entire... We had to turn off the water for the entire villa.

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And my name was mud, and there was mud everywhere.

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But that was in your irrigation system, was it?

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It was my irrigation system.

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Irrigation system?

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Yeah, and then they took care of it, and then the water district refunded all the

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money, and they replaced everything. Try that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Like I say, I'm just trying to do and

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make phone calls and get as much information as I can.

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Great.

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And hopefully I can get it fixed by the 22nd, because

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I have to leave.

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You will. Once you call the guy in today, hopefully,

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he'll fix it within the 20 minutes that he comes.

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It don't take long, unless it's something more like digging lines or something.

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But that's all. That'll take care of the problem.

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And get him to write up the cause.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And I

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don't know who to even call. Do I just go in the phone book and call somebody,

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or is there somebody that-

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Next door?

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Yeah.

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Who takes care of your lawnmowing stuff?

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I have a landscaper.

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Okay, no, who?

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But I've never had any water issues since I've been there.

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Do you have somebody come and check the irrigation system on a regular basis?

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No.

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Okay. Because that would be the best place, not a phone book.

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Okay, thank you.

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Linda, well, just go to one of the neighbors. You talk to the neighbors.

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Find out who they go to. Even Joe across the street, find out.

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He goes to Massey, if you want to go to them. But go to somebody.

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Okay. Several people have said their bill was higher,

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and they just paid it.

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Yeah.

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And like I say, it isn't the money as much as I'm worried

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about all the water usage, and if it's going to do damage in

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my house, or

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I don't know.

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No. You'll get it fixed, and you won't have to worry about it then, yeah.

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And work with Brittany to try to get some of that money back if you want.

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Yeah.

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If you have the system turned off right now, which it sounds like you do,

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there's no

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activity on the meter. So the activity, something

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occurred between February 26th and March

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2nd, which is if your system was on, that's where your

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usage drastically-

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It wasn't

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... spiked. Well, the water was on, so it indicates a leak.

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Out in the-

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Yes

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... hole in the ground?

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Yes. And then it sounds like your neighbor turned off your

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system at the box.

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Mm-hmm.

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And there hasn't been any activity since then.

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Okay.

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So that generally-

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I'll get that checked

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... indicates that there's a leak.

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Yeah, and that tells me more so that that valve was stuck open.

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Yeah.

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Because once you shut off the... See, that's what I mean. It's hard to prove.

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And bottom line is you may not have that problem again, but have

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somebody PM that system. Periodically, they say you should

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have it PM'd once a year.

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Well, I-

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I get mine every couple of years

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... I use it very little, really.

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Yeah. But because you don't have really a sprinkler system, you have

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drippers.

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Yes.

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You're great. Yeah.

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And I don't have many things to drip on.

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Yeah, I understand.

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We got that.

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Thank you. It'll work out, Linda.

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We have a gentleman who wants to speak.

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Yeah. Sir, yes.

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Give your name and address.

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I'm Walter Rood, Village of Hadley. I've been here since Thanksgiving.

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Welcome.

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Thank you. I

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drank the Kool-Aid.

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You want to lift the mic up so we can hear you?

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Sure. Sorry. So in any event, the

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situation here seems to be a quality control.

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Not to point fingers, but if there's a pattern of this occurring,

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absolutely

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the installation was flawed.

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If I took my sneaker off, opened the door, and then tried to close the door with my

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sneakers in the doorway, all the AC will leak out, and on and on.

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So this is what I think is happening with this. I've done some irrigation work.

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And the pattern seems to be a quality

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control issue. And I don't think that it's fair for the

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homeowner to be penalized.

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If this was an isolated incident, truly, it would be.

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But if you got those,

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they made contact like that,

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in that window of time,

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where's the liability? I don't think that's a homeowner issue,

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really. Thank you.

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Yeah, Brittany, if there's a number of these, there ought to be

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maybe somebody to have a discussion with the installer and say, "Okay, this

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is what we're experiencing as a result."

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Can they come up with any solution as to how to mitigate it or

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modify or change their swap-out instructions that

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would possibly alleviate that concern or

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maybe reduce the number of instances?

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So this is the first incident I've heard of in a year and a half

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into the meter change-out.

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Jerry, did you get

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calls from different people?

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Well, two emails went out, and I gave her...

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My procedure is, because I've learned-

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Yeah

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... when people complain, unless it's something really major, I

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make sure they email me.

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Yeah.

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Because that shows me-

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Were they different cases?

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Yeah.

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Of the same issue?

510
00:24:48.990 --> 00:24:51.990
Well, I had four phone calls, but two of them only emailed me.

511
00:24:52.310 --> 00:24:53.430
So I addressed the two.

512
00:24:53.830 --> 00:24:54.090
Okay.

513
00:24:54.520 --> 00:24:57.650
Okay? I don't address anybody if they see me at McDonald's, I don't go there, and

514
00:24:57.670 --> 00:24:58.950
they say, "Listen, I got a problem."

515
00:24:59.090 --> 00:24:59.930
Got it.

516
00:24:59.990 --> 00:25:03.150
Because I need it in writing, and I do that to everybody.

517
00:25:04.030 --> 00:25:08.010
So technically, I don't know until I saw it become saved if it is...

518
00:25:08.690 --> 00:25:11.830
It's hard to believe it's only us, but it's possible.

519
00:25:12.130 --> 00:25:12.630
Could be. Yeah.

520
00:25:12.670 --> 00:25:13.230
It's possible.

521
00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:13.430
Okay.

522
00:25:13.530 --> 00:25:17.350
And believe it or not, a lot of people don't even realize their sprinkler system is

523
00:25:17.410 --> 00:25:19.330
going through a lot more than it usually does-

524
00:25:19.490 --> 00:25:20.290
Until they get the bill

525
00:25:20.490 --> 00:25:20.500
... until they get the bill.

526
00:25:20.510 --> 00:25:20.610
Yeah.

527
00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:23.990
And it could be a month before they get the bill. And some people are away.

528
00:25:24.050 --> 00:25:27.890
So we may get more complaints. Now, you're saying this is going on for a

529
00:25:27.970 --> 00:25:30.350
year, tells me it could be very isolated.

530
00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:33.150
Right. We're a year and a half into the four-year change-out.

531
00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:33.220
Yeah.

532
00:25:33.220 --> 00:25:36.790
But that's why we do have that leak adjustment credit with

533
00:25:37.170 --> 00:25:37.810
the repair.

534
00:25:38.810 --> 00:25:42.790
So I'll make sure utility billing explains that process so that that

535
00:25:42.870 --> 00:25:43.450
is a

536
00:25:44.290 --> 00:25:47.610
benefit to the residents to be able to get the reimbursement for that.

537
00:25:47.630 --> 00:25:49.630
But make sure you know it's only one time.

538
00:25:49.910 --> 00:25:53.350
I took it once because I had a $600 bill I'm going to go through.

539
00:25:53.730 --> 00:25:57.270
So, bottom line is they gave me, I think, 50% off.

540
00:25:58.310 --> 00:26:02.290
And I'm at the point where I say, "Hell with it, I'll take the half of it."

541
00:26:02.750 --> 00:26:06.740
But it's only one time. So now, if it happens again five years

542
00:26:06.770 --> 00:26:08.070
from now, you're not getting anything.

543
00:26:08.890 --> 00:26:10.390
So you got to be careful when you use it.

544
00:26:12.870 --> 00:26:15.250
I have another question. If it seems to

545
00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:19.570
be something that's happened in the last couple of weeks, because they just did

546
00:26:19.630 --> 00:26:20.070
Hadley

547
00:26:20.950 --> 00:26:22.890
and they just did you guys-

548
00:26:22.930 --> 00:26:23.090
Yes

549
00:26:23.330 --> 00:26:25.830
... then have they changed crews?

550
00:26:26.950 --> 00:26:27.920
It's all different crews.

551
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.810
If it's a quality control issue, and they've brought in new crews,

552
00:26:32.070 --> 00:26:35.169
is the crew the problem? So at least they have something to look at.

553
00:26:35.210 --> 00:26:37.930
Yeah. But Joanne, they come in with like five crews.

554
00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:39.230
No, I understand that.

555
00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:39.360
Yeah. The same.

556
00:26:39.370 --> 00:26:42.950
But what I'm saying is if there's been, in a year and a half, if this is the first

557
00:26:42.970 --> 00:26:43.760
anybody's heard of it-

558
00:26:43.790 --> 00:26:44.290
I got you

559
00:26:44.350 --> 00:26:46.510
... then maybe there's been a change.

560
00:26:46.590 --> 00:26:47.590
Maybe the company

561
00:26:48.530 --> 00:26:50.870
started parcelling it out to somebody else or something.

562
00:26:51.570 --> 00:26:55.530
And Dennis from National Metering Service, I believe he came

563
00:26:55.570 --> 00:26:59.330
on site and spoke to the two homeowners that the

564
00:26:59.370 --> 00:26:59.830
chairman

565
00:27:00.790 --> 00:27:04.720
indicated. So National Metering Service, who's doing the change-out, has been on

566
00:27:04.870 --> 00:27:06.330
site at these residential properties.

567
00:27:06.390 --> 00:27:07.190
Yeah, they did come out.

568
00:27:07.890 --> 00:27:09.019
Okay.

569
00:27:09.019 --> 00:27:09.150
Okay.

570
00:27:10.870 --> 00:27:11.210
Sorry.

571
00:27:12.230 --> 00:27:14.970
Everybody good in the audience? Good. All right, let's move on.

572
00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:19.150
Consent agenda. A motion to approve the consent agenda is a motion to approve

573
00:27:19.310 --> 00:27:23.179
all recommended actions. All matters on the consent agenda is

574
00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:27.150
considered routine and no discussion is required unless desired by

575
00:27:27.210 --> 00:27:29.230
board supervisors or members of the public.

576
00:27:29.510 --> 00:27:33.410
Two items on the consent agenda is approval of minutes and project-wide

577
00:27:33.430 --> 00:27:37.090
monthly invoices. Are there any questions on it,

578
00:27:37.190 --> 00:27:39.390
supervisors, on both items?

579
00:27:39.690 --> 00:27:40.630
Motion to approve.

580
00:27:41.110 --> 00:27:41.830
Do I get a second?

581
00:27:42.550 --> 00:27:43.650
I'll second his motion.

582
00:27:44.090 --> 00:27:45.130
Okay. All in favor?

583
00:27:45.530 --> 00:27:45.710
I.

584
00:27:45.850 --> 00:27:46.010
I.

585
00:27:47.150 --> 00:27:48.330
Any disapproved? No?

586
00:27:49.210 --> 00:27:52.710
Seeing none, that's it. Let's go with new business.

587
00:28:00.970 --> 00:28:02.390
Wow, I haven't seen you in months.

588
00:28:02.670 --> 00:28:02.850
Yeah.

589
00:28:03.510 --> 00:28:03.890
Oh, man.

590
00:28:03.950 --> 00:28:07.250
Shannon and I, we like to rotate boards every once in a while.

591
00:28:07.350 --> 00:28:10.959
So I'm with you guys this month, but we're going to be doing that rotation a little

592
00:28:10.970 --> 00:28:13.200
bit more frequently. So good morning board members.

593
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.110
Matt Armstrong, Community Standards.

594
00:28:15.150 --> 00:28:18.830
So before you today, there is a request to discuss the fines for case number

595
00:28:18.890 --> 00:28:22.650
D70725. This case came before you back in

596
00:28:22.750 --> 00:28:26.170
August of 2025. There were a couple

597
00:28:26.190 --> 00:28:28.910
violations on the property. The homeowner's deceased.

598
00:28:30.230 --> 00:28:33.870
During the process of taking care of the affairs, I

599
00:28:33.910 --> 00:28:37.850
believe, another family member had passed away as well who was in charge.

600
00:28:37.870 --> 00:28:41.810
So then it went to the next in the family line, and it was a brother, and

601
00:28:41.890 --> 00:28:45.149
he went, "What's going on with this? What's with the case?" We explained it to him.

602
00:28:45.290 --> 00:28:48.730
He took care of all the situations very quickly, brought the property into

603
00:28:48.770 --> 00:28:49.290
compliance.

604
00:28:50.210 --> 00:28:52.370
But now there's the outstanding fines.

605
00:28:52.410 --> 00:28:55.750
He would love to sell the property, and I believe he does have it for sale.

606
00:28:56.710 --> 00:28:58.690
Or at least last time we checked, it showed a sale.

607
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.450
And we actually had a title company ask about it as well.

608
00:29:01.610 --> 00:29:01.790
So,

609
00:29:03.030 --> 00:29:06.350
there are $8,200 on this particular case.

610
00:29:06.970 --> 00:29:10.850
There's only $250 in cost to the district in regards to what we've had to

611
00:29:10.890 --> 00:29:12.490
deal with it, per the public hearing.

612
00:29:12.520 --> 00:29:14.560
We had to go out there and maintain the property one time,

613
00:29:16.430 --> 00:29:20.110
and also the postage that we had to use, so about $250 there.

614
00:29:20.210 --> 00:29:20.350
So

615
00:29:21.190 --> 00:29:25.070
we request the board to discuss. We have two options as to

616
00:29:25.670 --> 00:29:29.510
whether to direct legal counsel to discuss a settlement with the homeowner or deny

617
00:29:29.550 --> 00:29:31.830
the homeowner's request to waive the fines.

618
00:29:32.050 --> 00:29:34.960
Well, it's not the homeowner, but the brother of the homeowner who has power of

619
00:29:34.970 --> 00:29:35.910
attorney on the property now.

620
00:29:36.100 --> 00:29:37.290
And what was that number again?

621
00:29:37.970 --> 00:29:38.370
Which one?

622
00:29:38.570 --> 00:29:40.570
The total number that they own in fines.

623
00:29:40.770 --> 00:29:41.409
8,200.

624
00:29:41.830 --> 00:29:41.970
Wow.

625
00:29:42.190 --> 00:29:46.170
Matt, quick question. Are fines still accumulating on

626
00:29:46.210 --> 00:29:46.410
this?

627
00:29:46.710 --> 00:29:47.820
No, not at this time.

628
00:29:47.820 --> 00:29:48.330
That's ceased.

629
00:29:48.450 --> 00:29:48.690
That's ceased.

630
00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:49.270
Okay.

631
00:29:49.790 --> 00:29:50.290
8,200.

632
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:50.720
Mm-hmm.

633
00:29:51.670 --> 00:29:55.570
How'd they get to $8,200? You guys only went out and serviced the

634
00:29:55.630 --> 00:29:56.530
property once.

635
00:29:56.600 --> 00:29:59.290
They had a daily fine. They had electrical work that was exposed.

636
00:29:59.310 --> 00:30:00.590
The sconces were removed.

637
00:30:00.800 --> 00:30:01.220
Oh, I see. Okay.

638
00:30:01.270 --> 00:30:02.310
So the property...

639
00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:03.830
So it wasn't planned to be done. Okay. Got it.

640
00:30:04.090 --> 00:30:07.910
Okay. So I have a question. It says that the outstanding fine balance is

641
00:30:07.930 --> 00:30:10.210
$8,200. The budget impact is

642
00:30:10.230 --> 00:30:12.270
$5,708?

643
00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:14.450
So that's your decompliance fund.

644
00:30:14.490 --> 00:30:18.150
So whenever we collect fines, it goes into a decompliance fund for District 7, and

645
00:30:18.190 --> 00:30:21.650
we utilize those funds for maintaining properties.

646
00:30:21.710 --> 00:30:25.590
So whenever we bring fines in, it goes into this fund for you guys, and we

647
00:30:25.630 --> 00:30:29.590
use that for maintenance. And so currently, you have a current balance of $5,700

648
00:30:29.670 --> 00:30:33.010
that we can utilize for maintenance or legal costs.

649
00:30:33.150 --> 00:30:33.970
So that's just information.

650
00:30:34.130 --> 00:30:34.280
That's just information.

651
00:30:35.070 --> 00:30:38.930
No, if for any reason, it would stay at $5,700, but you're not going to

652
00:30:38.950 --> 00:30:42.070
add to that fund for future expenses associated with the compliance.

653
00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:43.650
Okay. I'm just like, "Why is the budget impact?"

654
00:30:43.710 --> 00:30:43.850
Yeah.

655
00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:45.330
It should be $8,200.

656
00:30:45.690 --> 00:30:45.910
Yeah.

657
00:30:47.590 --> 00:30:50.950
Okay. Now, the procedure is we have an option.

658
00:30:51.070 --> 00:30:54.870
The two options you gave is that we have our attorney negotiate with them.

659
00:30:56.970 --> 00:31:00.650
How would you do that? We tell them, "We'll give you 50% or 30%?"

660
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.520
Then what will it cost us?

661
00:31:03.520 --> 00:31:05.000
I can give you the option of the board, what I would recommend is-

662
00:31:05.030 --> 00:31:05.230
Okay

663
00:31:05.330 --> 00:31:09.030
... to call a special meeting of the board members at item six, and

664
00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:12.510
define the parameters today on what we are willing to go down to,

665
00:31:12.790 --> 00:31:16.590
essentially a not so fee. And then we can reach out to the

666
00:31:16.650 --> 00:31:20.340
brother of the homeowner, and see if he'd be available to at

667
00:31:20.670 --> 00:31:23.720
least come by and collect. Then I'll make a reminder that they are in violation of

668
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:27.490
this ordinance, and basically settle on paying this thing, other than

669
00:31:27.630 --> 00:31:30.070
nothing. We can let

670
00:31:30.770 --> 00:31:34.430
the treasurer's office lucky play to act in a quick

671
00:31:34.510 --> 00:31:37.710
manner to respond to the compliance, as we

672
00:31:39.350 --> 00:31:43.300
do a lot

673
00:31:44.090 --> 00:31:46.940
of these cases. The other way is up to the board to decide what they feel about the

674
00:31:46.940 --> 00:31:46.940
action to get the ball rolling and to actually collect.

675
00:31:46.940 --> 00:31:50.030
So what are we paying per hour to get a few dollars back?

676
00:31:51.550 --> 00:31:52.680
What it comes down to is-

677
00:31:53.430 --> 00:31:53.789
Hmm?

678
00:31:53.860 --> 00:31:57.830
... we can just forgive the fine, or we can pay to collect

679
00:31:57.890 --> 00:31:58.590
something.

680
00:31:59.910 --> 00:32:03.630
Well, what was the cost that would be for our lawyer fees,

681
00:32:03.790 --> 00:32:06.770
any cost for the village's staff,

682
00:32:07.830 --> 00:32:10.350
just to do this process? What was the cost on that?

683
00:32:10.730 --> 00:32:12.050
Obviously, there's some kind of cost.

684
00:32:12.870 --> 00:32:15.470
Can we end up applying that or know what that figure could be?

685
00:32:16.030 --> 00:32:19.010
Well, our district cost right now is $250.

686
00:32:19.090 --> 00:32:19.370
Okay.

687
00:32:19.750 --> 00:32:22.590
So just charge him the 250 and move forward.

688
00:32:22.850 --> 00:32:23.490
Wait a second.

689
00:32:23.750 --> 00:32:23.929
Yeah.

690
00:32:24.790 --> 00:32:25.730
I was thinking about half.

691
00:32:25.910 --> 00:32:29.320
We can't.

692
00:32:29.410 --> 00:32:30.850
We have to have a policy here.

693
00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:31.000
Yeah.

694
00:32:31.010 --> 00:32:31.530
It's not

695
00:32:32.370 --> 00:32:35.750
picking a dollar amount. It's a policy as to what we

696
00:32:35.810 --> 00:32:39.650
can sustain in the future when the next case comes

697
00:32:39.690 --> 00:32:40.230
before us.

698
00:32:41.390 --> 00:32:44.539
We can't sit there and say, "Okay, we'll settle for 50% of this,"

699
00:32:45.210 --> 00:32:46.770
because what is the next

700
00:32:48.090 --> 00:32:49.690
storyline behind the-

701
00:32:49.790 --> 00:32:49.960
I agree

702
00:32:50.010 --> 00:32:53.010
... the request to mitigate the fine?

703
00:32:53.610 --> 00:32:55.680
Is it better or worse than this one?

704
00:32:55.770 --> 00:32:59.690
And we sit there and say, "Okay, let's drop it 75% or give it all away, or

705
00:32:59.870 --> 00:33:03.730
we want to collect." This is more a policy issue for this

706
00:33:03.850 --> 00:33:07.730
board and this district than it is worrying,

707
00:33:08.210 --> 00:33:10.070
thinking of the dollar amount. Well, I agree.

708
00:33:10.130 --> 00:33:13.970
That's why I asked what the cost was, because if the cost is 1,000, 2,000, that

709
00:33:14.010 --> 00:33:16.630
becomes our bottom level where we start.

710
00:33:16.710 --> 00:33:20.630
But we want to reclaim that money that we spent on

711
00:33:20.690 --> 00:33:24.450
this fine if there is any. Now, it's only 250, which is kind of

712
00:33:24.490 --> 00:33:28.410
low, okay? That was the reason why I asked that. We need a foundation.

713
00:33:28.850 --> 00:33:31.510
It's funny, after 13 years of being on this board, this is the first time we ever

714
00:33:31.550 --> 00:33:32.810
had this incident come up.

715
00:33:34.390 --> 00:33:38.389
That's amazing to me right off the bat, that that's what comes up.

716
00:33:38.419 --> 00:33:39.859
That could be, but we have some further discussion-

717
00:33:39.950 --> 00:33:40.079
Yeah

718
00:33:40.150 --> 00:33:42.280
... later on in this meeting as-

719
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:43.750
Yeah, I was going to say, we've got three on the agenda

720
00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:46.690
... which is married to it. It's a nice idea.

721
00:33:46.990 --> 00:33:50.230
Now, I'm only asking for suggestions. We're only brainstorming here.

722
00:33:51.350 --> 00:33:55.190
It's a nice idea to up that amount that we have in there, which is 50 something

723
00:33:55.230 --> 00:33:58.550
hundred, whatever it is, because that's the money we use when we want to cut

724
00:33:58.610 --> 00:34:02.600
people's grass and whatever, we want to maintain, where we can't get a hold of the

725
00:34:02.690 --> 00:34:06.630
person, and the neighborhood's getting mad because the grass is four

726
00:34:06.690 --> 00:34:10.490
feet high. We need that fund. I like to build that fund up a

727
00:34:10.551 --> 00:34:13.890
little bit. It really would be nice. What do you think about that?

728
00:34:14.790 --> 00:34:16.071
Oh, that's the purpose of the fine.

729
00:34:16.250 --> 00:34:19.770
No, thank you. But the bottom line is

730
00:34:20.930 --> 00:34:23.071
that's what I like to do, and we have an opportunity.

731
00:34:23.130 --> 00:34:24.890
I'm not taking advantage of them, and I agree.

732
00:34:25.490 --> 00:34:28.190
I agree that we should have some kind of procedure.

733
00:34:28.250 --> 00:34:31.150
We can't just go one day, wake up and give this guy 20.

734
00:34:31.810 --> 00:34:34.790
Let's give him the 5% and charge this guy another 100.

735
00:34:34.830 --> 00:34:37.549
No, we should have a procedure. I agree.

736
00:34:37.930 --> 00:34:41.880
But how do you want to do this? My personal opinion on this

737
00:34:41.970 --> 00:34:45.810
would be we would seek, through legal counsel,

738
00:34:46.011 --> 00:34:49.011
the entire amount of the outstanding

739
00:34:50.091 --> 00:34:53.649
fines accumulated through non-compliance.

740
00:34:54.111 --> 00:34:58.090
And then later on in our discussions, I think we need to have a

741
00:34:58.110 --> 00:35:01.990
procedure, but I don't think we can just sit there and say, "Let's forgive

742
00:35:02.010 --> 00:35:05.410
it," or, "We'll accept less than that."

743
00:35:05.510 --> 00:35:09.250
And this will probably come up in future discussion at the

744
00:35:09.290 --> 00:35:13.279
meeting, is that we can't sit there and say

745
00:35:14.390 --> 00:35:18.010
in advance that our attorney fees, if they

746
00:35:20.270 --> 00:35:24.130
go above $2,000 in collecting $8,000, then we

747
00:35:24.170 --> 00:35:27.750
have to stop. No. I think we have to have the policy that or

748
00:35:27.830 --> 00:35:29.230
procedures that we're going to follow.

749
00:35:29.310 --> 00:35:32.930
So my view is that we seek to collect the entire

750
00:35:32.950 --> 00:35:36.750
$8,200. And I agree. And it

751
00:35:36.810 --> 00:35:39.970
don't open up Pandora's box. We're giving people more breaks than others.

752
00:35:40.010 --> 00:35:43.290
There's a standard, and I agree. Anybody else?

753
00:35:43.490 --> 00:35:45.030
Any supervisors got any suggestions?

754
00:35:45.210 --> 00:35:47.230
I think we've got a unique situation where

755
00:35:48.150 --> 00:35:51.030
the original homeowner was dead. The person who took it over-

756
00:35:51.530 --> 00:35:52.710
Is dead. Died

757
00:35:52.990 --> 00:35:53.390
... died.

758
00:35:54.850 --> 00:35:58.830
And so we've got a third party who

759
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.290
has gotten the issue taken care of.

760
00:36:01.110 --> 00:36:02.410
Yeah.

761
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.170
And so we're basically ending finding a third

762
00:36:06.310 --> 00:36:06.650
party

763
00:36:07.590 --> 00:36:08.870
who actually got the work done,

764
00:36:10.550 --> 00:36:13.590
and do we really want to hit him with a-

765
00:36:13.610 --> 00:36:14.969
Well, we're fining the estate, we're not fining him.

766
00:36:15.290 --> 00:36:17.490
I'm speaking. Do we really want to

767
00:36:18.710 --> 00:36:20.750
hit him

768
00:36:21.950 --> 00:36:23.550
with that major fine

769
00:36:24.570 --> 00:36:27.670
when he's the one who's willingly come in and taken care of anything?

770
00:36:28.770 --> 00:36:32.360
I agree with Ed that we've got to have some sort of policy, but we've

771
00:36:32.430 --> 00:36:34.670
also got to have something to-

772
00:36:34.720 --> 00:36:38.250
Yeah. Leeway. A little grace. I agree because what

773
00:36:38.370 --> 00:36:41.330
the-Mr. Armstrong, I don't know if you could answer this honestly.

774
00:36:42.010 --> 00:36:45.910
Because this is the only time in 13 years or so that this subject come up,

775
00:36:45.970 --> 00:36:49.470
this issue, most of the time we end up when the

776
00:36:49.510 --> 00:36:53.210
person dies or... So how many times today we have fines

777
00:36:53.530 --> 00:36:57.370
where we just end up not collecting anything? It's a pretty big percentage.

778
00:36:57.430 --> 00:36:58.030
Am I correct?

779
00:36:58.670 --> 00:37:01.910
In District VII, it's only happened a couple of times where the property

780
00:37:01.970 --> 00:37:04.770
transferred ownership, and so the fines were waived.

781
00:37:04.810 --> 00:37:06.550
And this is almost a similar situation-

782
00:37:06.580 --> 00:37:06.580
Yeah

783
00:37:06.580 --> 00:37:07.709
... where the property is for sale.

784
00:37:08.590 --> 00:37:09.530
If it sells-

785
00:37:10.130 --> 00:37:10.550
That's my point

786
00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:11.450
... you guys are going to get nothing.

787
00:37:11.470 --> 00:37:15.350
Yeah, my point is it's nice, and you hit a good

788
00:37:15.790 --> 00:37:19.150
note. It's nice that person from that family wants to do something.

789
00:37:19.190 --> 00:37:21.930
That means we're getting something. Usually, we get nothing.

790
00:37:23.190 --> 00:37:27.150
But in this issue, when this subject comes up on this, usually

791
00:37:27.210 --> 00:37:31.150
we end up, if they have a fine of $8,000 they owe, they sell the property,

792
00:37:31.210 --> 00:37:34.730
but we get nothing anyway. In this case, we're getting something.

793
00:37:34.810 --> 00:37:38.730
Maybe that's why we first time in 13 years this item came up, this subject,

794
00:37:38.810 --> 00:37:40.750
we never got much of it. We just let it go.

795
00:37:41.670 --> 00:37:45.110
And so it's up to the board. What do you want to do?

796
00:37:45.190 --> 00:37:48.530
We need a procedure. We need a process, I agree.

797
00:37:48.910 --> 00:37:51.130
But what do you want to do? You want to give him a little...

798
00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:52.770
What determines how much?

799
00:37:53.910 --> 00:37:55.390
I would drop the, my personal feeling is drop that

800
00:37:56.430 --> 00:38:00.250
fee down to 500 or basically 100% of what we actually have

801
00:38:00.770 --> 00:38:01.290
invested.

802
00:38:02.510 --> 00:38:06.490
Mm-hmm. I would be fine with that. And the problem that

803
00:38:06.530 --> 00:38:10.430
we have here, we've going about is the chicken or the egg first, because

804
00:38:10.750 --> 00:38:13.810
part of the reason that Michelle's here is to discuss

805
00:38:13.870 --> 00:38:17.410
this actually. So if we

806
00:38:18.150 --> 00:38:22.010
do this now and then in, I don't know, 15 minutes, come

807
00:38:22.050 --> 00:38:24.550
up with a procedure and this isn't part of that procedure,

808
00:38:25.430 --> 00:38:27.470
then I don't know what we're doing.

809
00:38:27.670 --> 00:38:28.410
Well, you-

810
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:30.810
I think at the end of the day-

811
00:38:30.970 --> 00:38:33.610
We have to come up with an answer, but he needs something. I know Mr.

812
00:38:33.730 --> 00:38:35.110
Armstrong needs an answer on this.

813
00:38:35.750 --> 00:38:36.290
I do. Yeah.

814
00:38:36.550 --> 00:38:40.490
And to help answer the previous question that was asked, so far historically,

815
00:38:40.630 --> 00:38:43.310
this is historical for District VII, there's been

816
00:38:43.350 --> 00:38:46.830
$34,300 imposed in fines for various

817
00:38:46.890 --> 00:38:47.989
reasons.

818
00:38:49.989 --> 00:38:53.640
You've collected $4,550. You have only

819
00:38:53.750 --> 00:38:57.450
waived $1,900, and that's due to transfer of ownership of property

820
00:38:57.510 --> 00:39:00.230
owners. So you currently have an outstanding fine balance of

821
00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:04.040
$27,950, which 8,000 of it is

822
00:39:04.070 --> 00:39:04.730
this case.

823
00:39:06.950 --> 00:39:07.719
So that's where your

824
00:39:08.670 --> 00:39:12.270
balance comes into play, where you have the $5,000 in your decompliance fund.

825
00:39:12.410 --> 00:39:15.510
That tells me currently our system's not working.

826
00:39:15.590 --> 00:39:16.470
No, of course.

827
00:39:16.550 --> 00:39:17.330
It's not working.

828
00:39:18.250 --> 00:39:19.850
It tells me we were just letting it...

829
00:39:20.450 --> 00:39:23.890
Well, like you said, like Julian said, and you said, we're going to bring this up.

830
00:39:23.930 --> 00:39:24.990
This is on the agenda.

831
00:39:26.570 --> 00:39:29.570
But it's amazing that we let this slide.

832
00:39:29.610 --> 00:39:30.210
The

833
00:39:31.650 --> 00:39:35.570
fund became, if I didn't want to pay it and I got a fine, if I didn't want to

834
00:39:35.650 --> 00:39:36.670
pay it, I just didn't pay it.

835
00:39:37.040 --> 00:39:37.040
Yep.

836
00:39:37.050 --> 00:39:38.190
And we let it go.

837
00:39:38.470 --> 00:39:38.540
Yep.

838
00:39:38.750 --> 00:39:41.910
And that's through all the districts. That is just not us.

839
00:39:42.470 --> 00:39:46.170
That's all the districts. So, I think we'll open up Pandora's

840
00:39:46.210 --> 00:39:49.970
box, but it's going to pay off because we could end up having a little more

841
00:39:50.030 --> 00:39:52.130
money in there when people don't cut their grass.

842
00:39:52.730 --> 00:39:54.940
But shouldn't we take care of this one issue first?

843
00:39:54.970 --> 00:39:55.470
Yes, now.

844
00:39:55.570 --> 00:39:55.950
Get rid of that-

845
00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:56.340
Yes

846
00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:57.409
... get that off the books.

847
00:39:58.410 --> 00:40:01.110
Daryl, what do you got? Anything? Any items, ideas?

848
00:40:01.330 --> 00:40:04.750
Well, I'm reading the documentation here, and if I understand, the bulk of all

849
00:40:04.810 --> 00:40:07.490
those fines is because of the lights not working?

850
00:40:08.270 --> 00:40:08.450
They had-

851
00:40:08.490 --> 00:40:09.660
You said it was an electrical issue

852
00:40:09.670 --> 00:40:11.930
... they had exposed wiring. The sconces were off the house.

853
00:40:11.990 --> 00:40:14.230
The wires were exposed. Their house was not in

854
00:40:15.290 --> 00:40:15.870
full repair.

855
00:40:16.690 --> 00:40:17.030
Okay.

856
00:40:18.510 --> 00:40:19.029
Very polite.

857
00:40:19.630 --> 00:40:19.790
Hmm?

858
00:40:20.150 --> 00:40:20.750
Very polite.

859
00:40:24.030 --> 00:40:24.290
So,

860
00:40:25.470 --> 00:40:26.680
I'm okay with

861
00:40:27.490 --> 00:40:31.050
just modestly getting this off the books, but I want to

862
00:40:32.090 --> 00:40:35.870
kind of expand for just a moment. I want to bring up something, and then

863
00:40:36.970 --> 00:40:39.070
Matt can ask you later. But

864
00:40:40.010 --> 00:40:43.750
tons and tons of trees are dead all

865
00:40:43.830 --> 00:40:47.559
over the place. We're going to have all kinds of compliance issues, I

866
00:40:47.590 --> 00:40:51.300
believe, in the next two, three, four months because people aren't going to get

867
00:40:51.330 --> 00:40:54.840
that all adjusted, I don't think. But you're looking at thousands and thousands of

868
00:40:54.850 --> 00:40:58.550
dollars on some of these trees. Some of them are going to have to be removed, not

869
00:40:58.590 --> 00:41:02.570
just trimmed off. So I want to know what we're going

870
00:41:02.590 --> 00:41:05.870
to do about it because I think that's going to become a big, expensive problem

871
00:41:06.590 --> 00:41:07.710
in the very near future.

872
00:41:08.870 --> 00:41:12.630
Well, that's part of the second issue that we're going to discuss in 15, 20

873
00:41:12.670 --> 00:41:13.010
minutes.

874
00:41:13.710 --> 00:41:13.810
Yeah.

875
00:41:13.830 --> 00:41:14.470
I think right here-

876
00:41:15.590 --> 00:41:16.670
Isolated to this case.

877
00:41:16.850 --> 00:41:16.989
Yeah.

878
00:41:17.010 --> 00:41:20.110
I understand. I agree with you. I just wanted to bring that up, though,

879
00:41:21.090 --> 00:41:24.710
because I think that's the bigger policy question, issue.

880
00:41:25.150 --> 00:41:25.660
Mm-hmm. It is.

881
00:41:26.450 --> 00:41:28.410
So okay. That's all I have to say.

882
00:41:28.470 --> 00:41:30.510
Okay. Let's go back to... Right. No, I agree.

883
00:41:30.680 --> 00:41:32.530
Let's go back to what do you want to do about this?

884
00:41:32.590 --> 00:41:34.110
You want to give him a little grace?

885
00:41:34.190 --> 00:41:37.610
You want to do what Ed said and the fines are the fines?

886
00:41:37.650 --> 00:41:37.870
And

887
00:41:38.990 --> 00:41:42.850
I think we should negotiate this because technically, if he has a good lawyer, this

888
00:41:42.910 --> 00:41:45.630
guy, his lawyer would tell him, "Listen, just don't pay it."

889
00:41:48.090 --> 00:41:48.890
Sorry, but that's

890
00:41:49.970 --> 00:41:52.370
what my lawyer would say. So,

891
00:41:53.290 --> 00:41:54.230
I don't know. What do you want to do?

892
00:41:54.330 --> 00:41:58.080
I think something's better than nothing because we were getting nothing before, so.

893
00:41:58.090 --> 00:42:00.630
Well, let me throw one out there. I move that we

894
00:42:01.450 --> 00:42:05.170
reduce the fine to $500 in this case, waive the

895
00:42:05.230 --> 00:42:05.770
balance.

896
00:42:06.350 --> 00:42:08.370
Boy, that's like Santa Claus coming to his house.

897
00:42:08.410 --> 00:42:09.680
Merry Christmas. Yeah.

898
00:42:09.750 --> 00:42:13.690
My concern would be with that is that how do we document that

899
00:42:13.700 --> 00:42:17.090
and justify it for the future? If the same

900
00:42:17.150 --> 00:42:20.930
situation comes back to us six months from now, a year from

901
00:42:20.990 --> 00:42:23.850
now, how do we take our documented

902
00:42:24.230 --> 00:42:27.950
decision-making and apply it to the next scenario of

903
00:42:29.550 --> 00:42:32.230
a problem? Somebody has a long story of

904
00:42:33.090 --> 00:42:33.650
concern.

905
00:42:34.490 --> 00:42:36.130
Or we could say we just change the policy.

906
00:42:36.330 --> 00:42:40.030
I don't mean to be hard-ass, but we change the

907
00:42:40.050 --> 00:42:42.938
policy, because technically we don't have a policyI need to change it.

908
00:42:43.238 --> 00:42:46.898
We're going to have a policy, hopefully within the next month or so.

909
00:42:48.098 --> 00:42:48.318
So,

910
00:42:49.658 --> 00:42:50.818
okay, you want to stick to your-

911
00:42:51.258 --> 00:42:54.078
I do, but I think, and Michelle's going to weigh in here.

912
00:42:54.778 --> 00:42:58.518
I think our safest issue would be

913
00:42:59.278 --> 00:43:02.858
to pursue the total

914
00:43:02.918 --> 00:43:06.298
amount and authorize the attorney to

915
00:43:06.678 --> 00:43:10.498
serve in our best interest in whatever she can negotiate for

916
00:43:10.598 --> 00:43:10.758
us.

917
00:43:10.878 --> 00:43:12.158
But we've got to give her a guideline.

918
00:43:12.218 --> 00:43:14.207
She's got to go back to us, "What do you think?" What if he comes back and says,

919
00:43:14.207 --> 00:43:14.207
"Oh-

920
00:43:14.218 --> 00:43:15.558
Well, and that may be.

921
00:43:16.558 --> 00:43:17.658
But let her-

922
00:43:18.718 --> 00:43:21.838
So I think two things can be true together.

923
00:43:22.598 --> 00:43:26.558
One is that we are going to discuss an enforcement and collection

924
00:43:26.618 --> 00:43:29.918
policy generally that's going to apply on a day-to-day basis.

925
00:43:30.778 --> 00:43:31.278
That's

926
00:43:32.558 --> 00:43:34.387
just the general policy we're going to have, right?

927
00:43:34.418 --> 00:43:38.018
And then also, you're going to come to situations where

928
00:43:38.058 --> 00:43:41.678
when these are very fact-specific circumstances.

929
00:43:41.978 --> 00:43:45.668
This guy is asking for a waiver based on his factual circumstances.

930
00:43:45.818 --> 00:43:49.318
So what you are granting today is very narrowly construed against these

931
00:43:49.438 --> 00:43:52.838
facts, and so I don't think that there is a worry

932
00:43:53.278 --> 00:43:56.278
that this is going to set a specific precedent.

933
00:43:57.398 --> 00:44:00.498
Each and every time somebody makes these types of requests, you will have to

934
00:44:00.578 --> 00:44:02.858
consider it on a case-by-case basis.

935
00:44:03.798 --> 00:44:03.978
So

936
00:44:05.158 --> 00:44:09.098
again, two things can be true. This consideration is very unique in

937
00:44:09.158 --> 00:44:13.018
that, just based on what I've read and the backup that was presented,

938
00:44:13.498 --> 00:44:15.658
the homeowner who was fined, the

939
00:44:16.618 --> 00:44:17.108
deceased,

940
00:44:17.938 --> 00:44:21.578
it seemed like he was already not in the best

941
00:44:21.618 --> 00:44:25.298
conditions to deal with anything but his health at the time that the first

942
00:44:25.418 --> 00:44:27.278
incident was brought to his attention.

943
00:44:27.758 --> 00:44:31.718
And so those are just facts. If

944
00:44:31.728 --> 00:44:35.258
I am dealing with my own health, I'm not really going to care about my

945
00:44:35.678 --> 00:44:39.258
lawn issues or my electrical. I'm going to be worried about my health.

946
00:44:40.158 --> 00:44:43.958
So I would just consider the facts at hand and see what you all would think would

947
00:44:43.998 --> 00:44:47.598
be the best business decision on this particular

948
00:44:47.638 --> 00:44:51.618
circumstance. And then when we go to discuss generally how you want to move

949
00:44:51.637 --> 00:44:55.378
through the tiered approach of how we're going to enforce

950
00:44:55.478 --> 00:44:59.258
our collections of outstanding fines that is more normal,

951
00:44:59.598 --> 00:45:03.138
as in there's homeowners existing there, there's somebody

952
00:45:03.178 --> 00:45:03.918
responsible

953
00:45:05.098 --> 00:45:08.738
and to be held accountable, we can move through that process

954
00:45:09.138 --> 00:45:12.738
as a separate thing. So I did want to make that distinction because I do think

955
00:45:12.778 --> 00:45:15.278
those are separate and distinguishable situations.

956
00:45:15.778 --> 00:45:17.558
You do have a motion on the floor.

957
00:45:18.578 --> 00:45:19.478
All right, let's hear it.

958
00:45:20.538 --> 00:45:21.378
Is that seconded?

959
00:45:21.458 --> 00:45:22.218
Yeah, it's been seconded.

960
00:45:22.338 --> 00:45:23.098
So, okay.

961
00:45:23.918 --> 00:45:26.238
We all understand what the motion is, right?

962
00:45:26.798 --> 00:45:29.218
The motion is to reduce the fine to

963
00:45:29.958 --> 00:45:30.878
$500.

964
00:45:31.278 --> 00:45:31.498
Okay.

965
00:45:31.508 --> 00:45:32.898
Which is twice what we have invested.

966
00:45:33.098 --> 00:45:34.258
That's what I want you to tell me. Okay.

967
00:45:34.778 --> 00:45:38.158
Let's get a vote on it.

968
00:45:38.358 --> 00:45:39.908
Shall we have more discussion? I haven't said anything.

969
00:45:40.318 --> 00:45:41.578
Yeah, well, I'm waiting.

970
00:45:41.618 --> 00:45:42.748
So one of the

971
00:45:44.198 --> 00:45:48.038
reasons that we're actually having the later discussion is because

972
00:45:48.438 --> 00:45:52.338
wasn't the point that we don't actually have permission to

973
00:45:52.398 --> 00:45:55.318
do liens and stuff like that? We're actually not allowed to do that.

974
00:45:56.038 --> 00:45:58.818
So how do you enforce it if you're not going to put a lien on it?

975
00:45:58.878 --> 00:45:59.958
You're going to negotiate.

976
00:46:01.218 --> 00:46:01.978
So

977
00:46:02.998 --> 00:46:04.258
we're going to negotiate now.

978
00:46:05.458 --> 00:46:05.638
And

979
00:46:06.438 --> 00:46:09.378
I'm with Ed. There's got to be a standard, and

980
00:46:10.218 --> 00:46:14.178
that's why I'm like, "Okay, too bad that came out of order, but this

981
00:46:14.238 --> 00:46:17.398
is what we have." We can't just keep giving it away.

982
00:46:17.858 --> 00:46:18.658
I agree, but this is-

983
00:46:18.758 --> 00:46:21.398
But we also have no right to collect it legally.

984
00:46:21.738 --> 00:46:23.038
But what our attorney just said,

985
00:46:24.318 --> 00:46:28.278
we don't really need a-- On this issue, we can make a

986
00:46:28.318 --> 00:46:28.858
decision.

987
00:46:29.098 --> 00:46:29.298
Yes.

988
00:46:29.418 --> 00:46:33.128
And I honestly believe what we're going to discuss the whole

989
00:46:33.278 --> 00:46:36.818
problem of having a procedure because we don't have a procedure right now on this

990
00:46:36.858 --> 00:46:37.178
issue.

991
00:46:38.278 --> 00:46:41.998
I think we should put this to bed. Obviously,

992
00:46:42.138 --> 00:46:45.698
ask our lawyer to negotiate with them, but she needs to know

993
00:46:46.118 --> 00:46:48.218
where to start and where to end that negotiation.

994
00:46:48.298 --> 00:46:48.758
So we-

995
00:46:49.058 --> 00:46:49.198
Okay

996
00:46:49.498 --> 00:46:53.418
... and your proposal, $500, it's probably a great idea to get

997
00:46:53.458 --> 00:46:54.398
this off the books.

998
00:46:54.688 --> 00:46:55.018
And we-

999
00:46:55.258 --> 00:46:55.438
Ed?

1000
00:46:55.448 --> 00:46:56.038
... don't have to have the-

1001
00:46:56.438 --> 00:46:56.487
Yeah

1002
00:46:56.498 --> 00:46:57.518
... attorney get involved.

1003
00:46:57.678 --> 00:46:57.788
Right.

1004
00:46:57.788 --> 00:46:58.248
We just have

1005
00:46:59.718 --> 00:47:02.568
our fine community standards take charge of this and

1006
00:47:04.318 --> 00:47:05.998
tell them what a great deal they're about to get.

1007
00:47:06.338 --> 00:47:10.258
Yeah. Now, what you're trying to say with Ed and Judy Ann,

1008
00:47:10.318 --> 00:47:11.738
I don't know if this is what you're telling me.

1009
00:47:11.818 --> 00:47:15.208
Tell me you're telling us that you want to hold off on making a

1010
00:47:15.218 --> 00:47:19.198
decision on this until we discuss the other factor

1011
00:47:19.278 --> 00:47:20.698
of this whole issue.

1012
00:47:21.498 --> 00:47:23.678
I don't know if that's good because obviously, Ms.

1013
00:47:23.758 --> 00:47:25.778
Armstrong wants to put this to bed. So do we.

1014
00:47:25.788 --> 00:47:26.518
Well, we all want to put this to bed.

1015
00:47:26.558 --> 00:47:27.398
So what do you want to do?

1016
00:47:28.218 --> 00:47:29.798
Well, we have a motion. We have a second.

1017
00:47:30.158 --> 00:47:32.018
Okay. Do we get a second on this?

1018
00:47:32.058 --> 00:47:32.818
We do have a second.

1019
00:47:33.058 --> 00:47:33.418
Okay.

1020
00:47:33.478 --> 00:47:33.678
Seconded.

1021
00:47:33.858 --> 00:47:37.838
All in favor for the $500 and lay on the... All in favor? I see.

1022
00:47:38.638 --> 00:47:38.838
All right.

1023
00:47:40.778 --> 00:47:41.398
Okay, so that's-

1024
00:47:41.978 --> 00:47:42.258
Four.

1025
00:47:42.598 --> 00:47:42.798
Any-

1026
00:47:43.358 --> 00:47:43.898
Opposed

1027
00:47:44.438 --> 00:47:45.068
... opposed?

1028
00:47:45.068 --> 00:47:45.068
Opposed.

1029
00:47:45.068 --> 00:47:46.078
One opposed. So, okay.

1030
00:47:47.498 --> 00:47:48.978
We'll go with the

1031
00:47:50.398 --> 00:47:52.778
motion to go with the $500.

1032
00:47:53.078 --> 00:47:55.958
Okay. So I will reach out to the homeowner, or to the-

1033
00:47:56.158 --> 00:47:56.378
Brother

1034
00:47:56.398 --> 00:48:00.258
... the brother, the POA, and then inform him of

1035
00:48:00.318 --> 00:48:04.098
the $500. And then if he walks out, I

1036
00:48:04.118 --> 00:48:08.098
will work with Brittany and legal counsel to give you guys an update as to what

1037
00:48:08.578 --> 00:48:10.138
was said, or if it was accepted.

1038
00:48:10.338 --> 00:48:12.738
Then if he doesn't want to accept that, he can pay $8,000.

1039
00:48:14.118 --> 00:48:15.238
Yeah, but he won't have to until we ...

1040
00:48:15.538 --> 00:48:16.058
Yeah.

1041
00:48:16.318 --> 00:48:19.628
Right now, he don't have to pay anything. Tell him that. See what he says.

1042
00:48:19.728 --> 00:48:23.058
Say, "Listen, you go for the $500, or you're going to get assessed for

1043
00:48:23.078 --> 00:48:26.078
$8,000, but you don't have to pay." See which one he goes for.

1044
00:48:27.178 --> 00:48:28.508
I'm being facetious, but yeah.

1045
00:48:28.518 --> 00:48:30.678
Well, we can have the district file in small claims court.

1046
00:48:30.998 --> 00:48:31.838
Yeah. That works.

1047
00:48:33.338 --> 00:48:33.917
Thanks.

1048
00:48:33.998 --> 00:48:36.608
Are you going to be the person that's going to go to small claims court and hang

1049
00:48:36.638 --> 00:48:36.818
around all day?

1050
00:48:36.838 --> 00:48:37.758
Yeah. Thank you.

1051
00:48:38.758 --> 00:48:40.918
Mr. Armstrong, you're the best. Seriously, thank you.

1052
00:48:41.898 --> 00:48:43.338
Okay. Let's move on

1053
00:48:44.706 --> 00:48:44.886
Wow.

1054
00:48:46.606 --> 00:48:50.286
Legal services. All

1055
00:48:50.346 --> 00:48:52.306
questions to the board supervisors.

1056
00:48:52.366 --> 00:48:56.186
Just so you know, we have two invoices for this.

1057
00:48:56.486 --> 00:48:59.446
We got the month of, I have it right here.

1058
00:49:00.505 --> 00:49:02.166
Hold on. Okay, good.

1059
00:49:03.266 --> 00:49:05.446
We got the month of February, which was

1060
00:49:05.456 --> 00:49:09.066
$2,016, and the month of March, which was

1061
00:49:09.086 --> 00:49:11.646
$4,415.77.

1062
00:49:12.646 --> 00:49:12.826
So,

1063
00:49:13.726 --> 00:49:14.946
the motion is to

1064
00:49:15.886 --> 00:49:18.866
accept both months. So any questions on that,

1065
00:49:20.166 --> 00:49:21.606
from what we paid for our lawyer fees?

1066
00:49:22.826 --> 00:49:23.666
Motion to approve.

1067
00:49:23.686 --> 00:49:23.826
Yeah.

1068
00:49:24.176 --> 00:49:24.176
Okay.

1069
00:49:24.206 --> 00:49:24.395
I'll second.

1070
00:49:24.395 --> 00:49:25.346
You got a second?

1071
00:49:26.446 --> 00:49:27.086
All in favor?

1072
00:49:27.406 --> 00:49:27.606
Aye.

1073
00:49:27.706 --> 00:49:28.066
Aye.

1074
00:49:28.946 --> 00:49:31.926
Any opposed? Seeing none, motion passes.

1075
00:49:33.746 --> 00:49:34.146
Thank you.

1076
00:49:36.306 --> 00:49:37.366
Next, old business.

1077
00:49:38.726 --> 00:49:40.346
Yes, good morning again, board members.

1078
00:49:40.406 --> 00:49:43.946
There's three items on old business under the

1079
00:49:43.986 --> 00:49:46.986
non-district seven items. Well, actually, the first

1080
00:49:49.646 --> 00:49:53.146
item was for staff to attempt to determine if someone is residing at

1081
00:49:53.286 --> 00:49:57.266
2355 Notch Avenue, and that was a deed compliance case that came

1082
00:49:57.286 --> 00:49:58.106
before the board.

1083
00:49:59.826 --> 00:50:03.466
The answer is yes, there has been documented activity at the home.

1084
00:50:04.446 --> 00:50:08.066
So from our perspective, it's not an

1085
00:50:08.106 --> 00:50:09.026
abandoned home.

1086
00:50:09.306 --> 00:50:10.836
That was the one with the garage door, right?

1087
00:50:10.836 --> 00:50:11.546
There has been activity. Yes.

1088
00:50:13.626 --> 00:50:17.586
So Community Standards is, they are aware of that for any future

1089
00:50:17.626 --> 00:50:18.346
action or

1090
00:50:19.466 --> 00:50:21.406
issues that present at that property.

1091
00:50:22.406 --> 00:50:26.246
The second item was pertaining to NSCUD and the

1092
00:50:26.286 --> 00:50:29.526
gray water inquiry. So we do continue to send out

1093
00:50:29.586 --> 00:50:32.206
information on their current

1094
00:50:33.546 --> 00:50:37.046
situation. Unfortunately, we have moved to phase three.

1095
00:50:37.266 --> 00:50:40.236
That has been imposed by the Southwest Florida Water Management

1096
00:50:40.306 --> 00:50:44.256
District. I think part of the confusion was when

1097
00:50:44.366 --> 00:50:47.686
we talk about reclaimed water, we talk about that that is a mix

1098
00:50:48.266 --> 00:50:52.046
that includes groundwater, and groundwater is lower

1099
00:50:52.146 --> 00:50:52.615
Floridan

1100
00:50:53.906 --> 00:50:57.786
aquifer water. So that is a factor in

1101
00:50:57.826 --> 00:51:01.586
the overall permit issuance for water usage through the Water

1102
00:51:01.666 --> 00:51:02.666
Management District.

1103
00:51:04.166 --> 00:51:08.146
And as such, the imposition of the surcharge

1104
00:51:08.246 --> 00:51:11.916
built into the rate structure was all approved as part of

1105
00:51:11.966 --> 00:51:12.866
that package.

1106
00:51:14.586 --> 00:51:18.286
So now that you've brought up the new tighter

1107
00:51:18.346 --> 00:51:19.026
restrictions-

1108
00:51:19.786 --> 00:51:20.346
Yes

1109
00:51:20.366 --> 00:51:24.286
... it was very clearly stated in the information we were sent that there should

1110
00:51:24.346 --> 00:51:27.766
be no house washing,

1111
00:51:28.266 --> 00:51:31.026
no power washing of homes. That's listed right in it.

1112
00:51:32.046 --> 00:51:35.726
So I know that power washing is still

1113
00:51:35.746 --> 00:51:36.206
happening,

1114
00:51:37.826 --> 00:51:38.046
so

1115
00:51:39.186 --> 00:51:42.666
should we be reporting power washing companies that are still power washing?

1116
00:51:43.106 --> 00:51:44.626
I don't know what to do with this information.

1117
00:51:44.946 --> 00:51:47.506
You can report them to the Water Management District.

1118
00:51:47.666 --> 00:51:50.646
So Community Watch, because they're already out

1119
00:51:51.546 --> 00:51:53.646
patrolling, are documenting

1120
00:51:54.786 --> 00:51:57.986
irrigation schedule violations, like if

1121
00:51:58.286 --> 00:52:02.166
anyone's watering outside of the posted notices that the

1122
00:52:02.186 --> 00:52:03.846
Water Management District has put out.

1123
00:52:05.186 --> 00:52:08.846
Those reports are sent over to our utility billing division, and they

1124
00:52:08.906 --> 00:52:11.406
handle the notification to the residents.

1125
00:52:12.286 --> 00:52:15.966
It is more of an educational effort, because the surcharge is in

1126
00:52:16.006 --> 00:52:19.046
effect, that is also a deterrent

1127
00:52:19.186 --> 00:52:23.116
or supposed to be a deterrent to watering during

1128
00:52:23.406 --> 00:52:24.376
these conditions.

1129
00:52:25.406 --> 00:52:28.966
So I guess my follow-up question is, has

1130
00:52:29.046 --> 00:52:29.606
anybody

1131
00:52:30.886 --> 00:52:34.506
sent direct information to the power washing

1132
00:52:34.646 --> 00:52:38.586
company and said, "You should not be washing homes in

1133
00:52:38.626 --> 00:52:42.406
the villages or anywhere in this district for

1134
00:52:42.466 --> 00:52:42.746
now?"

1135
00:52:43.646 --> 00:52:45.326
I mean, I don't know.

1136
00:52:45.946 --> 00:52:47.326
So it's not just the...

1137
00:52:48.446 --> 00:52:51.856
I live over in Citrus, and we're in Southwest Florida Water Management District as

1138
00:52:51.946 --> 00:52:52.106
well.

1139
00:52:52.646 --> 00:52:52.656
Right.

1140
00:52:53.086 --> 00:52:54.646
Their jurisdiction encompasses

1141
00:52:55.626 --> 00:52:56.666
multiple counties.

1142
00:52:57.866 --> 00:53:00.126
They have their own educational efforts.

1143
00:53:01.006 --> 00:53:02.305
We are

1144
00:53:03.586 --> 00:53:07.166
educating the residents based on their irrigation schedules, but the

1145
00:53:07.206 --> 00:53:10.806
private companies, it's really incumbent upon them to make

1146
00:53:10.826 --> 00:53:14.746
themselves aware. I know that a lot of them are, but

1147
00:53:14.766 --> 00:53:14.986
they

1148
00:53:16.906 --> 00:53:18.466
need to monitor their

1149
00:53:19.426 --> 00:53:20.386
activities as well.

1150
00:53:21.366 --> 00:53:23.376
If nobody's reached out to them

1151
00:53:24.826 --> 00:53:26.686
and said, "Haven't you noticed

1152
00:53:27.846 --> 00:53:29.066
that you're not supposed to do this?"

1153
00:53:29.866 --> 00:53:31.806
If

1154
00:53:32.646 --> 00:53:36.306
the water district isn't being proactive about

1155
00:53:36.346 --> 00:53:39.346
notifying companies that utilize water for those things,

1156
00:53:40.286 --> 00:53:40.706
then...

1157
00:53:41.726 --> 00:53:45.586
I can't speak for... I know that I've seen it everywhere, just even outside of

1158
00:53:45.646 --> 00:53:46.396
this community.

1159
00:53:48.436 --> 00:53:52.266
It's incumbent upon the district to advise the

1160
00:53:52.306 --> 00:53:53.546
residents,

1161
00:53:54.466 --> 00:53:58.306
and unfortunately, we can't reach all of the private companies, but we would

1162
00:53:58.706 --> 00:54:01.996
hope that the education level that we're providing to the residents, that they

1163
00:54:02.046 --> 00:54:05.506
would also take that into consideration for any type

1164
00:54:05.606 --> 00:54:09.326
of services that they're receiving

1165
00:54:09.406 --> 00:54:10.846
or engaging or-

1166
00:54:11.226 --> 00:54:12.306
They don't understand it.

1167
00:54:12.766 --> 00:54:16.106
Hey, Brittany, is the full extent of any

1168
00:54:16.246 --> 00:54:19.596
penalty for non-compliance as a resident for

1169
00:54:20.026 --> 00:54:23.526
irrigation is my surcharge that's on my water bill,

1170
00:54:24.466 --> 00:54:24.786
correct?

1171
00:54:24.836 --> 00:54:24.836
Correct.

1172
00:54:24.866 --> 00:54:28.666
I mean, they're not going to ultimately come back, and if they catch me the

1173
00:54:28.726 --> 00:54:32.226
third time or something of that nature, "Okay, here's a $100 fine." There's-

1174
00:54:32.926 --> 00:54:33.786
No, that's why the-

1175
00:54:34.126 --> 00:54:34.856
It's just what it is

1176
00:54:34.856 --> 00:54:35.606
... surcharge is still coming, yes.

1177
00:54:36.166 --> 00:54:36.176
Okay.

1178
00:54:36.176 --> 00:54:37.566
And it is at 10% now.

1179
00:54:38.086 --> 00:54:38.306
Okay.

1180
00:54:38.426 --> 00:54:38.646
Yeah.

1181
00:54:38.686 --> 00:54:42.476
And if somebody's using my water to power wash my house, which is

1182
00:54:42.546 --> 00:54:45.896
usually what happens, they hook their hose up to their thing that gives them the

1183
00:54:45.946 --> 00:54:46.266
pressure,

1184
00:54:47.286 --> 00:54:49.926
then I'm paying way more than-

1185
00:54:50.286 --> 00:54:50.486
Yes

1186
00:54:50.786 --> 00:54:52.146
... okay. I just-

1187
00:54:53.054 --> 00:54:53.214
Yeah.

1188
00:54:54.034 --> 00:54:54.214
Okay.

1189
00:54:54.994 --> 00:54:58.124
Got a question for you. With community standards

1190
00:54:59.394 --> 00:55:01.804
semi-enforcing this, could that also be

1191
00:55:03.554 --> 00:55:05.254
considered selective enforcement?

1192
00:55:07.474 --> 00:55:08.754
Should community standards

1193
00:55:10.634 --> 00:55:13.914
not look at other areas around there for deed compliance?

1194
00:55:15.334 --> 00:55:17.754
So it's not community standards, it's Community Watch.

1195
00:55:18.174 --> 00:55:19.214
Okay. Community Watch.

1196
00:55:19.634 --> 00:55:19.784
It's not deed compliance.

1197
00:55:19.784 --> 00:55:20.434
Should Community Watch-

1198
00:55:21.454 --> 00:55:25.133
So we're using them as a resource because they're already out there.

1199
00:55:25.434 --> 00:55:25.554
Right.

1200
00:55:25.594 --> 00:55:28.174
But they're a completely different funding mechanism.

1201
00:55:28.214 --> 00:55:31.474
They're not funded by this district through maintenance assessments.

1202
00:55:31.604 --> 00:55:32.774
Perfect. Thank you.

1203
00:55:34.774 --> 00:55:36.014
Okay, good? We're all good?

1204
00:55:36.294 --> 00:55:36.634
Yep.

1205
00:55:36.734 --> 00:55:37.094
Okay.

1206
00:55:38.254 --> 00:55:38.654
What we got?

1207
00:55:39.314 --> 00:55:39.994
Third issue, then.

1208
00:55:41.134 --> 00:55:44.614
Yeah. We did that. We have information items only?

1209
00:55:45.574 --> 00:55:46.374
No, Brittany's got-

1210
00:55:46.734 --> 00:55:47.374
Oh, it's just that-

1211
00:55:47.694 --> 00:55:48.304
Oh, Brittany, you got more? Oh, I'm sorry.

1212
00:55:48.304 --> 00:55:50.454
No, that's okay. We did include information.

1213
00:55:50.634 --> 00:55:54.354
I know concerns were raised regarding Palmetto and

1214
00:55:54.374 --> 00:55:57.954
Churchill Greens. We did provide an update on that, and then further

1215
00:55:58.014 --> 00:56:01.774
updates on courses. And I know Supervisor

1216
00:56:01.794 --> 00:56:05.414
Coleman was at Project Wide on Monday of this week.

1217
00:56:06.254 --> 00:56:10.174
And we did have all of the golf course contractors in attendance

1218
00:56:10.294 --> 00:56:10.844
as well,

1219
00:56:11.734 --> 00:56:14.734
and there was recently a meeting held with all of them,

1220
00:56:17.254 --> 00:56:20.784
really to discuss the conditions and expectations of the courses.

1221
00:56:22.464 --> 00:56:24.894
Any input on that from the left?

1222
00:56:24.904 --> 00:56:27.974
This is our new superintendent.

1223
00:56:29.754 --> 00:56:32.134
I truly believe he's doing everything in his power

1224
00:56:33.314 --> 00:56:33.734
to

1225
00:56:34.654 --> 00:56:36.394
get this under control, to

1226
00:56:38.554 --> 00:56:39.774
right the previous wrongs.

1227
00:56:41.714 --> 00:56:42.954
But it does not appear

1228
00:56:43.774 --> 00:56:45.894
that he's getting the support of his contractors

1229
00:56:46.774 --> 00:56:49.974
and of his subordinates that are doing the inspection on the courses.

1230
00:56:51.574 --> 00:56:53.494
And that's my concern.

1231
00:56:54.594 --> 00:56:58.134
We should have the same level

1232
00:57:00.594 --> 00:57:02.844
of service on the executive

1233
00:57:02.874 --> 00:57:05.954
courses that they do on the championship.

1234
00:57:07.574 --> 00:57:08.094
But we don't,

1235
00:57:09.714 --> 00:57:10.014
and that

1236
00:57:10.974 --> 00:57:12.614
is what I would like to see addressed.

1237
00:57:14.814 --> 00:57:15.224
And

1238
00:57:16.274 --> 00:57:19.734
quite frankly, I'm not sure how to do it short of

1239
00:57:19.774 --> 00:57:23.164
canceling contracts for some of these

1240
00:57:23.454 --> 00:57:27.174
companies that are theoretically maintaining them, because some of the

1241
00:57:27.254 --> 00:57:30.934
issues that I've seen are not something that's happened over a

1242
00:57:30.994 --> 00:57:32.794
one-month period. It's something that's been

1243
00:57:33.634 --> 00:57:34.614
prolonged neglect.

1244
00:57:36.654 --> 00:57:37.054
And

1245
00:57:38.894 --> 00:57:41.974
I'm not sure what the best path is to get this corrected and get

1246
00:57:43.374 --> 00:57:46.134
our executive courses up into a condition that

1247
00:57:48.614 --> 00:57:49.914
the residents deserve.

1248
00:57:52.454 --> 00:57:54.614
How about the district, do you have any suggestions?

1249
00:57:55.254 --> 00:57:59.214
So we understand your concerns and that level of accountability with the

1250
00:57:59.314 --> 00:58:02.684
contractors, and that is one of the reasons why they were all

1251
00:58:04.274 --> 00:58:08.154
requested, and did attend Project Wide

1252
00:58:08.194 --> 00:58:12.004
to understand and be able to hear firsthand the concerns from

1253
00:58:12.034 --> 00:58:15.934
residents. So all of the contractors that have courses

1254
00:58:15.994 --> 00:58:19.534
south of 466 within the Sumter Landing territory were in

1255
00:58:19.554 --> 00:58:23.374
attendance on Monday, in addition to other meetings that have been held recently.

1256
00:58:23.974 --> 00:58:25.143
Did they provide a reason

1257
00:58:26.494 --> 00:58:27.974
that the course has got in this condition?

1258
00:58:29.134 --> 00:58:32.974
So I don't have that information before me to give you

1259
00:58:32.994 --> 00:58:36.954
the detailed analysis of the exact course conditions,

1260
00:58:37.034 --> 00:58:40.134
but there are various contractors at different courses.

1261
00:58:40.734 --> 00:58:41.594
I will say that the

1262
00:58:43.094 --> 00:58:46.174
current weather conditions are certainly not helping.

1263
00:58:46.734 --> 00:58:46.794
No.

1264
00:58:48.414 --> 00:58:50.454
But there's many different factors involved.

1265
00:58:51.874 --> 00:58:54.203
I think the only,

1266
00:58:57.194 --> 00:59:01.054
I guess, explanation that was initially provided

1267
00:59:01.114 --> 00:59:05.014
was the winter that we experienced as a

1268
00:59:05.074 --> 00:59:05.694
contributor.

1269
00:59:07.594 --> 00:59:11.414
They did acknowledge that there are inconsistencies among

1270
00:59:11.474 --> 00:59:15.174
the coverage of the various courses throughout the villages.

1271
00:59:15.274 --> 00:59:18.674
And like Brittany said, the contractors were there.

1272
00:59:18.794 --> 00:59:22.283
They did not speak. They were not actually asked any

1273
00:59:22.434 --> 00:59:26.234
specific questions regarding the courses under

1274
00:59:26.274 --> 00:59:28.394
their individual purview.

1275
00:59:30.694 --> 00:59:34.674
But there was a discussion that they are having meetings,

1276
00:59:35.854 --> 00:59:38.594
I think either more routinely or not, between

1277
00:59:39.834 --> 00:59:41.354
the district and the

1278
00:59:42.474 --> 00:59:46.174
representatives from the landscape companies in

1279
00:59:46.254 --> 00:59:48.354
dealing with those inconsistencies.

1280
00:59:49.354 --> 00:59:53.234
And there was a couple

1281
00:59:53.274 --> 00:59:57.034
of supervisors that brought up, "What about this

1282
00:59:57.094 --> 00:59:57.494
course?

1283
00:59:58.954 --> 01:00:02.494
Hole number one, hole number nine?" Those kinds of things.

1284
01:00:03.134 --> 01:00:07.034
But it was more of a general discussion about acknowledging that there are

1285
01:00:07.074 --> 01:00:09.534
these inconsistencies across the villages.

1286
01:00:11.294 --> 01:00:15.214
And I am happy to see that the contractor that has the problem is paying for

1287
01:00:15.274 --> 01:00:17.704
the sod replacement. So they have been, isn't that right?

1288
01:00:17.734 --> 01:00:20.614
Yeah. That's their financial responsibility.

1289
01:00:22.534 --> 01:00:25.814
So they know that there are expectations and that there's a cost if they don't meet

1290
01:00:25.834 --> 01:00:25.914
them.

1291
01:00:27.194 --> 01:00:29.214
All right. Any more, Brittany? You done?

1292
01:00:29.294 --> 01:00:29.514
Or you-

1293
01:00:30.234 --> 01:00:30.814
That's it for me.

1294
01:00:30.894 --> 01:00:31.214
All right.

1295
01:00:32.474 --> 01:00:35.694
Information items only. Any questions on

1296
01:00:35.774 --> 01:00:37.454
the e-compliance,

1297
01:00:38.314 --> 01:00:42.254
financial statement, DPD monthly report, community

1298
01:00:42.674 --> 01:00:45.474
hearing updates? Nothing?

1299
01:00:47.094 --> 01:00:49.454
Okay. District manager report?

1300
01:00:51.194 --> 01:00:54.714
Nothing on the agenda, but we did place a printed copy of the annual

1301
01:00:54.754 --> 01:00:58.474
report at each of your seats, and just would

1302
01:00:58.514 --> 01:01:02.224
encourage you to take a look at that if you have not already, and it is available

1303
01:01:02.274 --> 01:01:04.994
to the public on our website, districtgov.org.

1304
01:01:05.854 --> 01:01:09.494
Brittany, won't we start discussing the budget next month on the May-

1305
01:01:09.954 --> 01:01:10.274
Yes.

1306
01:01:10.434 --> 01:01:10.634
May.

1307
01:01:10.644 --> 01:01:10.644
In May.

1308
01:01:10.714 --> 01:01:14.184
That's what I thought. Usually, yeah.Okay.

1309
01:01:15.184 --> 01:01:16.964
District counsel report.

1310
01:01:18.464 --> 01:01:20.044
Here we go. Michelle?

1311
01:01:20.084 --> 01:01:23.924
Thank you. I circulated to you all yesterday a

1312
01:01:24.064 --> 01:01:27.584
memo on the summary of the enforcement mechanism.

1313
01:01:27.884 --> 01:01:31.524
So today, we will talk about those alternative options for

1314
01:01:31.564 --> 01:01:33.884
collecting the outstanding fines, and more importantly,

1315
01:01:34.724 --> 01:01:37.464
why we're recommending a particular path forward.

1316
01:01:37.884 --> 01:01:41.354
As you'll recall, our office previously advised that the district cannot

1317
01:01:41.404 --> 01:01:42.854
simply lien a property

1318
01:01:43.684 --> 01:01:47.364
for the unpaid fines, and that's an important constraint we do have to work with.

1319
01:01:48.084 --> 01:01:50.564
So the question becomes, what can we do?

1320
01:01:50.904 --> 01:01:53.964
And I've identified four different options for you.

1321
01:01:55.084 --> 01:01:59.024
First, a quick recap for the benefit of those hearing this for the first

1322
01:01:59.064 --> 01:02:02.904
time, perhaps. A quick recap on why we cannot use a

1323
01:02:02.924 --> 01:02:06.864
lien directly is that under Florida law, a CDD's power to enforce

1324
01:02:06.904 --> 01:02:10.354
deed restrictions is limited to what's actually spelled out in the existing

1325
01:02:10.384 --> 01:02:14.124
covenants. Those covenants allow us to pursue legal actions via

1326
01:02:14.144 --> 01:02:15.144
injunctive relief

1327
01:02:16.104 --> 01:02:18.184
and recover attorney's fees if we are successful.

1328
01:02:18.664 --> 01:02:22.524
But neither the covenants nor the statutes authorize specifically the power to

1329
01:02:22.544 --> 01:02:23.384
lien a property.

1330
01:02:24.504 --> 01:02:28.164
I know that some neighboring districts have adopted a lien rule anyway, and

1331
01:02:28.564 --> 01:02:32.444
I've discussed this with Brittany and Matt, how are

1332
01:02:32.454 --> 01:02:36.354
they able to do this? And my understanding is that some of those boards even

1333
01:02:36.424 --> 01:02:39.344
brought up the question as to whether the districts had the specific legal

1334
01:02:39.404 --> 01:02:39.894
authority,

1335
01:02:40.764 --> 01:02:44.284
and it was explained to them that it is a gray area, just like I am

1336
01:02:44.604 --> 01:02:45.044
telling you.

1337
01:02:46.204 --> 01:02:50.084
But the theory has not been challenged in court, so ultimately, it

1338
01:02:50.104 --> 01:02:53.904
was a business decision on each of those districts' parts to take that risk.

1339
01:02:54.924 --> 01:02:58.664
It's, again, not challenged in court, so you are

1340
01:02:58.704 --> 01:03:01.484
running that legal risk if you do choose to go that path.

1341
01:03:01.624 --> 01:03:04.944
But we believe our more conservative approach is what would protect the district

1342
01:03:04.984 --> 01:03:06.824
from the potential liability in the future.

1343
01:03:08.024 --> 01:03:11.584
So with that context, again, I've identified for you in the

1344
01:03:13.024 --> 01:03:16.864
memo that was circulated ahead of time, four different pathways that you

1345
01:03:16.944 --> 01:03:20.724
do have as options. First are demand letters.

1346
01:03:21.824 --> 01:03:24.004
It's straightforward, and it's low cost.

1347
01:03:24.064 --> 01:03:27.984
It would take me about an hour to draft the demand letter, and from then on,

1348
01:03:28.064 --> 01:03:31.664
you have a template to work from, so each case would just be switching out the fact

1349
01:03:31.724 --> 01:03:32.364
specifics.

1350
01:03:33.284 --> 01:03:37.184
That also demonstrates good faith, and it establishes

1351
01:03:37.224 --> 01:03:38.124
a clear record.

1352
01:03:39.324 --> 01:03:43.294
The downside is that there is no enforcement mechanism, so it depends on how

1353
01:03:43.324 --> 01:03:45.264
somebody will react to that letter.

1354
01:03:45.364 --> 01:03:49.273
Usually, a scary letter from an attorney's office does tend to at least

1355
01:03:49.344 --> 01:03:52.044
grab people's attention, so it's a good start.

1356
01:03:53.184 --> 01:03:54.844
And the second

1357
01:03:55.744 --> 01:03:59.704
option, which may be the most cost-effective option, is to engage a collection

1358
01:03:59.784 --> 01:04:03.724
agency. It's my understanding that the utility districts utilize a collection

1359
01:04:03.804 --> 01:04:07.284
agency as well. You all know hospitals use collection agencies.

1360
01:04:07.304 --> 01:04:11.144
It's third-party companies that we can hire to

1361
01:04:11.204 --> 01:04:15.024
go after these outstanding fines and take the work off of the district

1362
01:04:15.064 --> 01:04:16.424
staff. The

1363
01:04:17.224 --> 01:04:21.004
reason why it would be the most cost-effective option is that typically, collection

1364
01:04:21.064 --> 01:04:24.964
agencies don't get a fee until they've actually collected,

1365
01:04:25.024 --> 01:04:27.684
and it's a percentage based on what they collect.

1366
01:04:29.044 --> 01:04:32.824
Based on my research, that percentage of fee is somewhere from 10% to

1367
01:04:33.104 --> 01:04:34.744
50%. That's a wide range.

1368
01:04:35.664 --> 01:04:39.464
If the board would like to go that option, I would have to defer to

1369
01:04:39.564 --> 01:04:42.444
the management staff to determine what best options are

1370
01:04:42.504 --> 01:04:46.344
available. Again, it frees up staff time.

1371
01:04:46.444 --> 01:04:50.424
It reduces legal fees because my involvement will be very limited in

1372
01:04:50.444 --> 01:04:54.273
that case. Again, there's no guarantee of recovery,

1373
01:04:54.924 --> 01:04:58.524
and collection agencies are not received in the best

1374
01:04:58.564 --> 01:05:01.304
light. So, the downside may be that you

1375
01:05:02.704 --> 01:05:06.404
have created some friction with residents by engaging that method.

1376
01:05:07.464 --> 01:05:10.764
Third is the small claims court route for fines under

1377
01:05:10.773 --> 01:05:14.124
$8,000. This is a viable option.

1378
01:05:14.504 --> 01:05:16.904
Filing fees are relatively modest.

1379
01:05:17.024 --> 01:05:20.944
It ranges from $55 to $300 for

1380
01:05:21.104 --> 01:05:24.864
claims that near the $8,000 cap. The process is

1381
01:05:24.924 --> 01:05:28.644
streamlined, and we can recover attorney's fees if we prevail because attorney's

1382
01:05:28.704 --> 01:05:31.644
fees is provided for in the covenants.

1383
01:05:31.803 --> 01:05:35.624
It still requires our time, and if we win, we

1384
01:05:35.684 --> 01:05:37.944
still have to collect on the judgment.

1385
01:05:37.964 --> 01:05:41.904
But once we do have a favorable judgment for the district,

1386
01:05:42.404 --> 01:05:46.264
that judgment itself can serve as a reason

1387
01:05:46.304 --> 01:05:49.184
to lien the property. This is an important distinction

1388
01:05:52.304 --> 01:05:56.244
aside from us not being able to

1389
01:05:56.324 --> 01:06:00.144
lien just for the fine itself because we're acting on a legitimate judgment

1390
01:06:00.204 --> 01:06:01.334
against that property.

1391
01:06:03.284 --> 01:06:05.564
The fourth option is the circuit court option.

1392
01:06:06.084 --> 01:06:09.904
If we are seeking injunctive relief, as in we want them to

1393
01:06:10.024 --> 01:06:12.324
specifically perform the act that we are seeking,

1394
01:06:13.244 --> 01:06:17.144
that's if they're just not doing the work they need to in order to bring the

1395
01:06:17.164 --> 01:06:20.804
property into compliance, as well as seek damages above the $8,000

1396
01:06:20.864 --> 01:06:24.684
cap. Again, if we win, we may be able to recover

1397
01:06:24.724 --> 01:06:25.624
attorney's fees,

1398
01:06:26.684 --> 01:06:28.464
and also use that judgment

1399
01:06:29.664 --> 01:06:31.624
to record that lien against that property.

1400
01:06:32.574 --> 01:06:36.514
The key point in all this is that if the violator still won't

1401
01:06:36.564 --> 01:06:40.544
pay, then we do have these additional tools, collection agency

1402
01:06:40.804 --> 01:06:44.144
being one, and one of the most cost-effective options.

1403
01:06:44.844 --> 01:06:48.443
A recorded judgment does become a lien on the debtor's property, so it will

1404
01:06:48.524 --> 01:06:50.984
pass through the title transfer.

1405
01:06:51.844 --> 01:06:53.444
So, in which case,

1406
01:06:54.244 --> 01:06:57.544
we would be able to issue an estoppel letter conditioned upon the fact that they

1407
01:06:57.584 --> 01:07:01.144
need to pay this fine because it's outstanding judgment lien.

1408
01:07:01.504 --> 01:07:04.274
It, again, flows from the court's judgment itself.

1409
01:07:04.324 --> 01:07:06.304
It's on solid legal footing.

1410
01:07:07.564 --> 01:07:10.294
We can also pursue injunctive relief,

1411
01:07:10.464 --> 01:07:14.448
obviously.So these are different

1412
01:07:14.508 --> 01:07:18.108
options, but I think ultimately what would benefit is a tiered

1413
01:07:18.188 --> 01:07:18.668
approach.

1414
01:07:19.548 --> 01:07:22.758
You can first start with demand letters to see whether that kicks

1415
01:07:23.448 --> 01:07:24.328
people into action.

1416
01:07:25.348 --> 01:07:29.148
If that doesn't, we can turn it over to collection agency after a time certain.

1417
01:07:29.208 --> 01:07:33.168
If they're still unsuccessful, we can then follow a small claims

1418
01:07:33.238 --> 01:07:33.548
suit.

1419
01:07:34.568 --> 01:07:37.778
And then if that also doesn't work, then we can

1420
01:07:38.328 --> 01:07:42.148
raise the bar to circuit level if it meets the dollar threshold for

1421
01:07:42.188 --> 01:07:43.788
filing in that route.

1422
01:07:44.748 --> 01:07:44.988
So

1423
01:07:45.928 --> 01:07:49.728
you do have collection options. It's just that we have to work within the

1424
01:07:49.768 --> 01:07:52.708
legal confines that exist today. I did go back and

1425
01:07:54.068 --> 01:07:57.648
had my associate do an overhaul of the research

1426
01:07:57.658 --> 01:08:00.168
previously done. The law has not changed, unfortunately.

1427
01:08:00.248 --> 01:08:04.048
It is where we are today. Two things that we are also continuing to

1428
01:08:04.128 --> 01:08:07.708
do is obviously our office continues to monitor any legislative

1429
01:08:07.768 --> 01:08:11.568
changes. So if there is any change to the Chapter 190 that does give us the

1430
01:08:11.668 --> 01:08:15.148
ability to lien based on the outstanding fines, we will know about it and we will

1431
01:08:15.188 --> 01:08:18.838
immediately put into action. And then another thing

1432
01:08:18.989 --> 01:08:22.838
is, we can make the ask to the developer who is

1433
01:08:23.088 --> 01:08:26.888
better positioned to lobby the legislature

1434
01:08:27.029 --> 01:08:28.369
to change the law.

1435
01:08:29.348 --> 01:08:31.928
No guarantee that they're going to respond favorably, but there's no harm in

1436
01:08:32.048 --> 01:08:32.928
asking, right?

1437
01:08:34.949 --> 01:08:38.748
Lobbying is a huge undertaking, is a very costly

1438
01:08:38.808 --> 01:08:42.529
undertaking, so we wouldn't recommend that you take that on yourself at an

1439
01:08:42.568 --> 01:08:46.508
individual district level. But again, that's why we would make the ask.

1440
01:08:47.068 --> 01:08:51.058
Because having that specific statutory authority

1441
01:08:51.088 --> 01:08:54.928
would not only benefit District 7, but all the remaining villages districts who are

1442
01:08:55.008 --> 01:08:57.409
operating within this deep gray area.

1443
01:08:58.088 --> 01:08:59.648
So, we can make that ask.

1444
01:09:01.088 --> 01:09:02.588
That was a lot of information. Let me stop there.

1445
01:09:02.688 --> 01:09:06.508
That was great. That was my question to you. How can we lobby?

1446
01:09:06.529 --> 01:09:09.148
And I figured it was very expensive and

1447
01:09:10.168 --> 01:09:13.808
a little over our heads, in plain English. But thank you for answering that.

1448
01:09:13.848 --> 01:09:17.688
That's good. So board, my opinion of saying, I think it's a

1449
01:09:17.708 --> 01:09:20.308
good idea to start with the demand letter.

1450
01:09:20.508 --> 01:09:22.168
Because I'm always worried about cost.

1451
01:09:23.188 --> 01:09:27.108
And it becomes, and I said this last meeting, we always got to

1452
01:09:27.128 --> 01:09:28.608
worry about how much we're collecting.

1453
01:09:29.268 --> 01:09:33.088
When is it going to become counterproductive where we're paying more for lawyer

1454
01:09:33.188 --> 01:09:36.909
fees and fees, where we're looking for 2,000 and it costs us

1455
01:09:37.128 --> 01:09:39.708
6,000 to get the 2,000, that's kind of dumb.

1456
01:09:40.188 --> 01:09:43.468
So that becomes a problem. So it's all about how much that

1457
01:09:43.829 --> 01:09:46.909
individual resident owes us and how much fines they have.

1458
01:09:47.208 --> 01:09:50.708
That becomes a process, obviously. So let's discuss this.

1459
01:09:52.468 --> 01:09:53.748
What's your opinion?

1460
01:09:54.448 --> 01:09:56.068
Well, first of all, I do think

1461
01:09:57.188 --> 01:10:00.888
ask the developer to pursue a change to 190.

1462
01:10:02.328 --> 01:10:04.988
I think that in and of itself is a no-brainer-

1463
01:10:05.128 --> 01:10:05.168
I agree

1464
01:10:05.288 --> 01:10:07.048
... to at least go ahead and do.

1465
01:10:09.068 --> 01:10:12.288
I understand your concern, Jerry, about

1466
01:10:12.908 --> 01:10:14.048
where's the break even.

1467
01:10:14.168 --> 01:10:14.408
Mm-hmm.

1468
01:10:15.108 --> 01:10:17.948
My underlying concern is this. If we don't

1469
01:10:18.008 --> 01:10:21.588
have a firm process by which

1470
01:10:22.488 --> 01:10:26.288
policy that we would pursue and collect on

1471
01:10:26.968 --> 01:10:27.928
non-compliance,

1472
01:10:28.928 --> 01:10:29.708
we're toothless.

1473
01:10:30.048 --> 01:10:30.248
Yeah.

1474
01:10:30.608 --> 01:10:34.538
If the word ever got out that villagers, we could

1475
01:10:34.568 --> 01:10:38.148
fine them, but if they don't have to pay, they don't have to pay,

1476
01:10:38.368 --> 01:10:42.078
we've lost all credibility. There's no sense in having

1477
01:10:42.108 --> 01:10:43.218
Matt even

1478
01:10:44.168 --> 01:10:46.588
go through the gyration of-

1479
01:10:46.968 --> 01:10:48.318
Amen to that. Yeah. That's right.

1480
01:10:48.408 --> 01:10:51.488
We have to have something definitive in this.

1481
01:10:52.248 --> 01:10:55.068
Michelle, a quick question as I go through this.

1482
01:10:55.608 --> 01:10:57.648
In the demand letter, would we

1483
01:10:58.688 --> 01:11:02.628
or would you identify following steps

1484
01:11:03.268 --> 01:11:06.708
that if you don't respond and

1485
01:11:07.228 --> 01:11:11.068
agree and pay, that our next step is to turn

1486
01:11:11.108 --> 01:11:14.848
this over to a collection agency, that being unsuccessful,

1487
01:11:15.068 --> 01:11:18.848
we would take you to small claims? How much information is given in a

1488
01:11:18.868 --> 01:11:19.568
demand letter?

1489
01:11:19.888 --> 01:11:23.788
Generally, we reserve the right to seek any and all other legal,

1490
01:11:23.808 --> 01:11:25.068
available remedies.

1491
01:11:25.098 --> 01:11:25.948
Okay. That's how it's... Okay, got it.

1492
01:11:25.968 --> 01:11:29.888
Yes. But we can provide the specificity that such remedies may include, but

1493
01:11:29.927 --> 01:11:33.468
not be limited to, the turning it over to the collection agencies,

1494
01:11:34.128 --> 01:11:35.918
filing for suit in small claims court, et cetera.

1495
01:11:36.368 --> 01:11:39.148
This is relatively inexpensive, so I would

1496
01:11:39.868 --> 01:11:42.708
want that demand letter to put as much

1497
01:11:43.528 --> 01:11:44.148
fear of God

1498
01:11:44.208 --> 01:11:44.568
Yeah.

1499
01:11:44.688 --> 01:11:47.888
Into the homeowner as possible.

1500
01:11:48.308 --> 01:11:51.828
And it's just the nudge to get them to

1501
01:11:52.388 --> 01:11:54.588
respond in that. Brittany, do we

1502
01:11:55.428 --> 01:11:59.208
currently have any existing agreements with local

1503
01:11:59.288 --> 01:12:03.068
collection agencies that the district has utilized

1504
01:12:03.188 --> 01:12:04.028
or...

1505
01:12:04.768 --> 01:12:06.028
So

1506
01:12:06.928 --> 01:12:09.988
our villages public safety department dependent district,

1507
01:12:11.148 --> 01:12:14.828
we use Digitech for ambulance transport billing.

1508
01:12:15.328 --> 01:12:19.068
Unfortunately, their scope is very limited to just

1509
01:12:19.168 --> 01:12:21.828
transport billing. But they do the collection on that.

1510
01:12:22.768 --> 01:12:23.968
But I'm sure that

1511
01:12:25.068 --> 01:12:25.968
through

1512
01:12:27.628 --> 01:12:31.068
both QTech Resources and through the district side, that we could

1513
01:12:31.108 --> 01:12:34.898
identify a collection agency that- Yeah, there's plenty of collection agencies out

1514
01:12:34.898 --> 01:12:34.898
there.

1515
01:12:34.908 --> 01:12:38.228
Yeah, I figured there would. Would that require us to have an agreement, a

1516
01:12:38.328 --> 01:12:41.828
contract, a retainer with them or something of that nature?

1517
01:12:41.908 --> 01:12:42.688
Yes. Mm-hmm.

1518
01:12:43.088 --> 01:12:43.788
Okay. So we-

1519
01:12:43.858 --> 01:12:47.448
And Julie, my question is, do we need to use the procurement process

1520
01:12:48.628 --> 01:12:49.908
in order to get a vendor?

1521
01:12:50.308 --> 01:12:51.668
Statutorily, there's no

1522
01:12:52.668 --> 01:12:56.648
procurement process outlined for hiring a collection agency.

1523
01:12:56.898 --> 01:12:59.508
Okay. I'm just asking, because we procure everything else.

1524
01:13:00.708 --> 01:13:01.128
Yeah. There's

1525
01:13:02.108 --> 01:13:02.748
none.

1526
01:13:03.208 --> 01:13:06.798
Scott may have other

1527
01:13:06.868 --> 01:13:10.668
questions, but my other point that I'd have to make on this

1528
01:13:10.868 --> 01:13:14.188
is at what level of fine

1529
01:13:14.468 --> 01:13:18.408
accumulation does it trigger? Does it trigger at

1530
01:13:18.448 --> 01:13:20.868
the point that we have the public

1531
01:13:20.908 --> 01:13:24.772
hearing?Is that when the case would

1532
01:13:24.812 --> 01:13:25.212
occur?

1533
01:13:28.152 --> 01:13:32.022
When $500 are accumulated in fines, is that when

1534
01:13:32.132 --> 01:13:35.632
we say, "Okay, we need to go ahead and have

1535
01:13:36.052 --> 01:13:39.872
the demand letter even before comes the public hearing?"

1536
01:13:40.232 --> 01:13:41.132
That would be my

1537
01:13:42.052 --> 01:13:45.742
thing that we have to incorporate in this is what triggers the start of the-

1538
01:13:45.792 --> 01:13:47.332
What's the time to pay it back? Yeah.

1539
01:13:47.392 --> 01:13:51.152
In other words, they get a fine and there's a limit. Well, there is.

1540
01:13:51.492 --> 01:13:55.212
Ms. Armstrong will tell you. They'll tell you when they've got to pay it by, the

1541
01:13:55.252 --> 01:13:57.792
fine, and if they don't, that becomes the trigger.

1542
01:13:58.672 --> 01:13:58.892
Right?

1543
01:13:59.792 --> 01:14:00.062
I'm not-

1544
01:14:00.872 --> 01:14:01.792
Am I correct about that?

1545
01:14:01.912 --> 01:14:01.942
I'm not sure how-

1546
01:14:01.942 --> 01:14:03.072
Yeah, here we come. Yeah.

1547
01:14:03.172 --> 01:14:06.692
When did the fines start, Matt? After the public hearing or before?

1548
01:14:07.212 --> 01:14:10.681
So when you guys enter an order of enforcement, you typically give a grace period

1549
01:14:10.752 --> 01:14:11.442
of four days-

1550
01:14:11.512 --> 01:14:11.522
Right

1551
01:14:11.522 --> 01:14:13.472
... five days, seven days to bring it to compliance.

1552
01:14:13.612 --> 01:14:17.592
Once that order of enforcement grace period has ended, it's signed, sent to the...

1553
01:14:17.632 --> 01:14:20.092
Well, they get it signed and sent to them to let them know they have it.

1554
01:14:20.132 --> 01:14:24.072
Once it expires, that next day is when the fines start to accrue, and will

1555
01:14:24.092 --> 01:14:25.652
accrue until it brings them to compliance.

1556
01:14:26.372 --> 01:14:29.712
In the letters, typically, when we send our invoice, it'll say, "Please pay within

1557
01:14:29.752 --> 01:14:32.972
10 days of the letter of this invoice." But that's just a

1558
01:14:33.112 --> 01:14:36.852
recommendation to the homeowner to pay within 10 days of this invoice.

1559
01:14:37.612 --> 01:14:41.112
In the order of enforcement, we do read into the record that once it hits

1560
01:14:41.122 --> 01:14:44.252
$1,500, the case will be turned over to legal counsel, who will seek all available

1561
01:14:44.332 --> 01:14:44.812
remedies-

1562
01:14:45.332 --> 01:14:45.482
Okay

1563
01:14:45.482 --> 01:14:49.072
... in accordance with. So that's in the order of enforcement that is signed by the

1564
01:14:49.132 --> 01:14:50.922
chair when we do have these public hearings.

1565
01:14:51.032 --> 01:14:53.412
So the $1,500 becomes the trigger, technically.

1566
01:14:54.632 --> 01:14:58.372
As of right now, yes, but with the way the economy is now, I think we should take a

1567
01:14:58.412 --> 01:15:02.332
look at what the cost is now and associate, because I know with Mark Briones in his

1568
01:15:02.372 --> 01:15:05.092
district boards, he says, "I'm waiting till 5,000.

1569
01:15:05.432 --> 01:15:09.252
It's not cost-effective to wait till 5,000."

1570
01:15:10.022 --> 01:15:10.022
See, that's it.

1571
01:15:10.032 --> 01:15:12.382
But at that point in time, again, if-

1572
01:15:12.792 --> 01:15:13.352
It's too late

1573
01:15:13.362 --> 01:15:15.412
... to me, it's too late.

1574
01:15:15.472 --> 01:15:16.532
And it's too much money. Yeah.

1575
01:15:16.572 --> 01:15:17.992
I think that

1576
01:15:19.352 --> 01:15:23.192
the effectiveness of the letter will probably

1577
01:15:23.212 --> 01:15:27.132
be a certain percentage. You get the letter from the lawyer, you're like, "Oh,

1578
01:15:27.232 --> 01:15:28.232
I need to pay attention to this."

1579
01:15:28.272 --> 01:15:28.382
Mm-hmm.

1580
01:15:28.402 --> 01:15:32.071
If nothing else, now they would go saying, "Well, this is deceased," and, "Oh,

1581
01:15:32.172 --> 01:15:35.952
wait, that person's not here to do that." It would get the giddy-up going too-

1582
01:15:36.212 --> 01:15:36.222
Yeah

1583
01:15:36.232 --> 01:15:36.742
... if nothing else-

1584
01:15:36.852 --> 01:15:37.072
Sure

1585
01:15:37.171 --> 01:15:39.872
... of finding the brother that can do it.

1586
01:15:40.612 --> 01:15:41.412
But I don't think

1587
01:15:42.832 --> 01:15:45.632
we wait till 5,000. I think that's far too long.

1588
01:15:45.712 --> 01:15:45.992
I think

1589
01:15:47.112 --> 01:15:50.332
the point, I don't know, do we make it 500?

1590
01:15:50.412 --> 01:15:54.192
Do we make it 1,000? The first demand letter is the most expensive one

1591
01:15:54.252 --> 01:15:57.372
because that's the initial time to do it, and then after that, it's just changing

1592
01:15:57.392 --> 01:15:58.032
the information.

1593
01:15:58.072 --> 01:15:58.152
Right.

1594
01:15:58.392 --> 01:16:01.832
I mean, to put some hard numbers around it, an hour of my time is

1595
01:16:01.892 --> 01:16:03.312
$315.

1596
01:16:03.592 --> 01:16:03.672
Yeah.

1597
01:16:03.952 --> 01:16:07.201
And it's not going to take me any more than an hour to draft the first letter, and

1598
01:16:07.232 --> 01:16:11.072
then each subsequent letter after that is going to be cheaper and cheaper, or it's

1599
01:16:11.112 --> 01:16:11.262
going to

1600
01:16:12.232 --> 01:16:15.532
plateau at some point because it's going to be the same format, but just different

1601
01:16:15.652 --> 01:16:15.812
facts.

1602
01:16:15.852 --> 01:16:17.892
Just changing the names.

1603
01:16:19.872 --> 01:16:22.312
So you currently have four cases

1604
01:16:23.312 --> 01:16:26.772
that are over $1,750.

1605
01:16:27.552 --> 01:16:27.952
Wow.

1606
01:16:29.732 --> 01:16:29.852
Yeah.

1607
01:16:29.892 --> 01:16:30.322
So the four outstanding-

1608
01:16:30.332 --> 01:16:32.592
But they go back a ways, too. They're

1609
01:16:33.512 --> 01:16:34.632
getting long in the tooth.

1610
01:16:35.932 --> 01:16:36.212
Yeah, they-

1611
01:16:36.352 --> 01:16:40.312
But just when you factor in that some of them are $250,

1612
01:16:40.412 --> 01:16:40.652
which-

1613
01:16:41.832 --> 01:16:43.192
That doesn't cover the cost of the letter.

1614
01:16:43.332 --> 01:16:45.492
Correct. So if you look at the

1615
01:16:46.592 --> 01:16:49.032
over 1,500, we've got one case that's

1616
01:16:49.192 --> 01:16:52.632
1,750, and then the highest

1617
01:16:52.752 --> 01:16:55.912
case is 6,850,

1618
01:16:56.552 --> 01:16:59.692
notwithstanding the $8,200 one that you addressed earlier.

1619
01:16:59.752 --> 01:17:00.712
Is that Halle Berry?

1620
01:17:02.292 --> 01:17:05.122
Yes, it is. And that's the one that goes back to September of last year.

1621
01:17:05.132 --> 01:17:08.532
So Halle Berry just sold in tax deed sale on

1622
01:17:08.712 --> 01:17:11.242
3/26. I believe I have it on the notes there.

1623
01:17:11.242 --> 01:17:11.252
Yeah.

1624
01:17:11.262 --> 01:17:12.972
And we're waiting to see if there's any surplus.

1625
01:17:13.032 --> 01:17:15.932
If there's any surplus, we'll reach out to Michelle to see if we can file for any

1626
01:17:15.972 --> 01:17:18.912
of that surplus. Starting bid was $13,000.

1627
01:17:20.412 --> 01:17:21.662
Wow. Holy cow.

1628
01:17:21.662 --> 01:17:22.392
13.5.

1629
01:17:25.292 --> 01:17:28.902
But I guess that's my point, and I may have some other questions as

1630
01:17:29.512 --> 01:17:30.032
discussion-

1631
01:17:30.472 --> 01:17:30.712
So that-

1632
01:17:30.722 --> 01:17:31.392
... pops up, but-

1633
01:17:31.452 --> 01:17:32.592
So well, Brittany had a good point.

1634
01:17:32.872 --> 01:17:36.412
Obviously the one that's 200 bucks, we don't want to spend 300 to write a letter

1635
01:17:36.552 --> 01:17:39.912
and then 200 to get back. So that's why I say, we got to be careful

1636
01:17:39.932 --> 01:17:41.832
what's counterproductive.

1637
01:17:44.292 --> 01:17:44.472
Well-

1638
01:17:44.561 --> 01:17:47.772
So if we've got four at 1,500 or more, or 1,000 or more-

1639
01:17:48.292 --> 01:17:48.652
Yes.

1640
01:17:48.792 --> 01:17:48.972
Yeah

1641
01:17:49.112 --> 01:17:50.492
... I would start with those four.

1642
01:17:50.772 --> 01:17:51.752
I agree with you.

1643
01:17:51.832 --> 01:17:53.572
And we start with the demand letter.

1644
01:17:54.432 --> 01:17:55.532
What dollar figure?

1645
01:17:58.892 --> 01:17:59.422
1,000.

1646
01:17:59.422 --> 01:18:00.092
1,000. 1,500.

1647
01:18:00.312 --> 01:18:01.742
Well, she said 1,500, I guess.

1648
01:18:01.772 --> 01:18:04.172
We include 1,500 in the order of enforcement.

1649
01:18:04.632 --> 01:18:05.862
If you wanted to follow that-

1650
01:18:05.872 --> 01:18:07.792
So we'd have to change the order of enforcement

1651
01:18:08.832 --> 01:18:09.592
to start sooner?

1652
01:18:10.752 --> 01:18:14.412
I would agree, yes, because that's the protocol that you all have chosen so far.

1653
01:18:14.652 --> 01:18:14.732
Yeah.

1654
01:18:14.792 --> 01:18:18.632
No. It's just the board's decision at what point in time did you want to have it

1655
01:18:18.672 --> 01:18:20.752
turned over to legal counsel. From a cost

1656
01:18:21.612 --> 01:18:25.392
standpoint, it's been $1,500 just historically over

1657
01:18:25.432 --> 01:18:27.452
time, but if you want to make that adjustment.

1658
01:18:27.512 --> 01:18:28.932
Yes, but those people-

1659
01:18:29.212 --> 01:18:30.092
How come we only get the 1,500 original?

1660
01:18:31.212 --> 01:18:34.071
That's well before my time. I don't know.

1661
01:18:34.452 --> 01:18:34.992
I mean, to that-

1662
01:18:35.032 --> 01:18:36.392
Then it's time to look at it.

1663
01:18:36.612 --> 01:18:37.561
Oh, there's the bus. That always helps me.

1664
01:18:37.561 --> 01:18:38.292
When we take a look back,

1665
01:18:40.272 --> 01:18:43.472
Valerie Fox was legal counsel at that time, and that was

1666
01:18:44.352 --> 01:18:47.732
what she had determined to be a reasonable threshold-

1667
01:18:47.952 --> 01:18:48.002
Yes

1668
01:18:48.012 --> 01:18:51.152
... to offset any legal expenses to pursue those

1669
01:18:52.132 --> 01:18:53.012
outstanding fines.

1670
01:18:53.132 --> 01:18:53.492
Yeah.

1671
01:18:53.532 --> 01:18:57.412
And to those who have already received the order of enforcement that says

1672
01:18:57.472 --> 01:18:58.132
1,500-

1673
01:18:58.292 --> 01:18:58.852
That's what it is

1674
01:18:59.132 --> 01:19:01.072
... is when you will turn it over to legal counsel.

1675
01:19:01.552 --> 01:19:03.932
You do have to abide by that, your own order.

1676
01:19:03.962 --> 01:19:06.332
And that's going back 10, 12 years ago, so the-

1677
01:19:06.392 --> 01:19:06.602
One might know

1678
01:19:06.672 --> 01:19:08.812
... expenses were a whole lot less.

1679
01:19:10.012 --> 01:19:10.292
Okay.

1680
01:19:10.492 --> 01:19:10.632
Okay.

1681
01:19:10.772 --> 01:19:12.412
So 1500 sounds... I agree with

1682
01:19:13.492 --> 01:19:17.372
Judy Ann that do the first three or four of them, that's 1500 or

1683
01:19:17.392 --> 01:19:18.352
more, correct?

1684
01:19:19.292 --> 01:19:21.572
None of them are... One of them's 1750.

1685
01:19:21.632 --> 01:19:23.732
Are there four over the 1500?

1686
01:19:23.932 --> 01:19:24.332
Yes.

1687
01:19:24.372 --> 01:19:24.532
Yeah.

1688
01:19:24.561 --> 01:19:24.912
There's four over the 1500.

1689
01:19:24.952 --> 01:19:26.232
Yeah. So there you go. Yeah.

1690
01:19:26.736 --> 01:19:27.196
What do you say?

1691
01:19:27.396 --> 01:19:27.936
Boyd?

1692
01:19:28.516 --> 01:19:32.276
I like what everyone's saying. I agree with the 1,500.

1693
01:19:34.396 --> 01:19:35.456
Now comes the question,

1694
01:19:36.536 --> 01:19:37.716
just to throw a little bit in there.

1695
01:19:39.576 --> 01:19:40.996
When property transfers

1696
01:19:42.515 --> 01:19:43.636
that's out of compliance,

1697
01:19:45.496 --> 01:19:47.896
welcome to the neighborhood, you owe us this.

1698
01:19:52.416 --> 01:19:52.716
Matt?

1699
01:19:55.116 --> 01:19:59.005
We file the lien or we're going to file a

1700
01:19:59.016 --> 01:20:01.116
lien at the case against the property owner.

1701
01:20:01.176 --> 01:20:04.616
We say their name, the legal entity on the deed

1702
01:20:05.076 --> 01:20:08.976
is who it's for. We list the address, but it's on the property owner

1703
01:20:09.276 --> 01:20:11.996
that we're citing that they go through the letters to and everything else like

1704
01:20:12.036 --> 01:20:13.996
that. If it transfers ownership-

1705
01:20:14.136 --> 01:20:14.816
That's it. It's gone

1706
01:20:15.076 --> 01:20:15.076
...

1707
01:20:16.276 --> 01:20:16.486
it's gone.

1708
01:20:16.496 --> 01:20:19.216
In other words, we've lost it. Right? Am I correct about that?

1709
01:20:19.576 --> 01:20:22.716
Unless you file for suit and you've gotten a judgment-

1710
01:20:23.156 --> 01:20:23.416
Right. Yeah

1711
01:20:23.456 --> 01:20:27.266
... against the property, we can record that judgment as a lien against the

1712
01:20:27.356 --> 01:20:27.746
property-

1713
01:20:27.796 --> 01:20:27.866
Or if we turn it over to credit-

1714
01:20:27.866 --> 01:20:30.336
... in which case it will follow the title

1715
01:20:30.376 --> 01:20:30.986
... agency.

1716
01:20:30.996 --> 01:20:31.106
Yeah.

1717
01:20:31.475 --> 01:20:33.056
So if we start the process-

1718
01:20:33.196 --> 01:20:33.496
Right

1719
01:20:34.356 --> 01:20:34.466
... and

1720
01:20:36.236 --> 01:20:40.036
every time we have something, we start it, we can look

1721
01:20:40.616 --> 01:20:44.456
at changing the $1,500 to 1,000. If we want to do

1722
01:20:44.516 --> 01:20:46.696
that, we'd have to change the policy.

1723
01:20:46.836 --> 01:20:49.436
It's just the order of enforcement. We just change the language on it.

1724
01:20:49.916 --> 01:20:50.216
Yeah. We change the language on that.

1725
01:20:50.336 --> 01:20:54.056
So we can look at doing that and dropping it to $1,000.

1726
01:20:54.136 --> 01:20:57.216
But for the moment, we've got four over the 1,500, so

1727
01:20:58.076 --> 01:21:01.676
we start with that. But I like the process of the demand letter,

1728
01:21:01.956 --> 01:21:05.276
collections, then court, then beyond.

1729
01:21:05.816 --> 01:21:09.686
Because that way you grab attention, then you turn it over to

1730
01:21:09.776 --> 01:21:13.636
somebody who might be a little more aggressive than we are, but too bad,

1731
01:21:13.716 --> 01:21:17.676
that's what they get paid for. And then we have a process to follow.

1732
01:21:18.036 --> 01:21:18.046
I agree.

1733
01:21:18.056 --> 01:21:18.416
So I think

1734
01:21:19.516 --> 01:21:23.396
having taken the time to create the processes is what we need then.

1735
01:21:23.416 --> 01:21:25.156
The demand letters to go out to .

1736
01:21:25.816 --> 01:21:26.236
I agree.

1737
01:21:27.156 --> 01:21:27.996
Daryl, what do you got?

1738
01:21:29.216 --> 01:21:32.476
Well, I'm just thinking back, I brought this up a couple of times before.

1739
01:21:33.576 --> 01:21:37.356
A lot of these things with transfers of property and whether they have

1740
01:21:37.416 --> 01:21:38.616
some problems with them,

1741
01:21:39.976 --> 01:21:43.336
I still wish there was some way we could do something about getting to the

1742
01:21:43.396 --> 01:21:45.776
realtors, because I see them as

1743
01:21:45.816 --> 01:21:47.496
they're

1744
01:21:49.096 --> 01:21:50.096
slipping through the crack.

1745
01:21:50.296 --> 01:21:52.516
It's all about money. They're trying to sell and-

1746
01:21:52.676 --> 01:21:56.416
Well, I understand that. But they're selling a lemon to

1747
01:21:56.476 --> 01:21:58.196
somebody, especially if somebody

1748
01:21:59.196 --> 01:22:01.396
buys a house that has a roof issue and

1749
01:22:02.236 --> 01:22:05.916
somebody complains about the roof, all of a sudden they got a 15, 20, $30,000

1750
01:22:06.076 --> 01:22:06.956
bill on their hands.

1751
01:22:08.176 --> 01:22:08.656
I don't know.

1752
01:22:08.976 --> 01:22:09.966
No, I agree with you. I think-

1753
01:22:09.966 --> 01:22:13.316
That's a pet peeve with me because I think these realtors just slip through the

1754
01:22:13.336 --> 01:22:17.276
cracks. I know we've asked a couple of times in the past for, I

1755
01:22:17.336 --> 01:22:20.426
think we asked for Ms. Parr to come here and- ...

1756
01:22:20.536 --> 01:22:24.136
because she's in charge of all the marketing and the sales, I

1757
01:22:24.156 --> 01:22:26.096
believe, or was at one time.

1758
01:22:27.416 --> 01:22:29.516
So anyway, I'm sorry to ramble on, but that's a-

1759
01:22:29.656 --> 01:22:32.816
But Matt, that's a good point. There's a question and not trying...

1760
01:22:34.236 --> 01:22:37.916
But on the subject of a house is not in

1761
01:22:38.196 --> 01:22:41.336
compliance, they sell it, use the roof scenario.

1762
01:22:41.536 --> 01:22:41.996
Yeah.

1763
01:22:42.036 --> 01:22:45.696
They sell it. Now, that poor, nice person that bought the house now

1764
01:22:45.756 --> 01:22:49.496
has that complaint against them that they got to come in now

1765
01:22:49.536 --> 01:22:51.196
replace a $20,000 roof.

1766
01:22:52.336 --> 01:22:55.036
I haven't heard any more problems like that anymore.

1767
01:22:55.096 --> 01:22:55.996
Are we just-

1768
01:22:56.456 --> 01:22:56.546
So roof-

1769
01:22:56.546 --> 01:22:59.996
... not paying attention to it, or are we just not getting any complaints on that?

1770
01:23:00.136 --> 01:23:03.276
No. So a roof is an extreme measure because you're going to have a home inspection,

1771
01:23:03.416 --> 01:23:05.456
and an inspector's going to find a roof leak.

1772
01:23:05.756 --> 01:23:07.376
No, I'm not talking about leak. No.

1773
01:23:08.036 --> 01:23:08.576
We're talking about the wrong color.

1774
01:23:08.596 --> 01:23:09.206
I'm talking about the wrong color.

1775
01:23:09.256 --> 01:23:10.796
Oh, like wrong color roof?

1776
01:23:10.976 --> 01:23:11.356
Yeah.

1777
01:23:12.176 --> 01:23:12.886
It's non-compliant to begin with.

1778
01:23:12.886 --> 01:23:13.616
It's not compli- Yes.

1779
01:23:13.896 --> 01:23:17.826
But the things we normally deal with are the lawn's undone, the electrical stuff

1780
01:23:17.896 --> 01:23:21.716
hanging off the house. Unless you get a complaint

1781
01:23:21.796 --> 01:23:25.026
about a roof color, which isn't probably the number one item you get.

1782
01:23:25.076 --> 01:23:25.696
De-compliance.

1783
01:23:25.756 --> 01:23:26.476
No, de-compliance.

1784
01:23:26.496 --> 01:23:30.296
And plain de-compliance. There

1785
01:23:30.356 --> 01:23:34.336
should be, and now we've discussed this at length a few maybe a year

1786
01:23:34.396 --> 01:23:34.676
ago.

1787
01:23:35.316 --> 01:23:35.676
Yeah.

1788
01:23:36.176 --> 01:23:39.896
I honestly believe the villages should have some kind of

1789
01:23:41.076 --> 01:23:44.056
inspection before you sell a house that meets compliance.

1790
01:23:44.556 --> 01:23:48.475
Right now, we don't have that. So a new person walks in to buy my house, my

1791
01:23:48.516 --> 01:23:51.936
house doesn't meet compliance, my roof's a different color than every other color

1792
01:23:51.976 --> 01:23:55.276
in the neighborhood, especially in courtyard and patio villages.

1793
01:23:55.316 --> 01:23:59.116
Now, all of a sudden, they got to go for a $20,000 hit, and they just bought the

1794
01:23:59.136 --> 01:23:59.936
house a week ago.

1795
01:24:01.056 --> 01:24:04.836
We have nothing protecting that. There's no-- And that's what I

1796
01:24:04.916 --> 01:24:05.846
think Daryl's talking about.

1797
01:24:05.896 --> 01:24:09.026
That would be a civil matter between neighbors, because as a seller, you sign the

1798
01:24:09.026 --> 01:24:12.956
non-disclosure forms that says that I'm in compliance with, like I

1799
01:24:12.996 --> 01:24:15.466
sold my house last year and I had to sell and I'm in the HOA.

1800
01:24:15.896 --> 01:24:19.356
I had to sign off that I'm in accordance with all my rules and regulations and that

1801
01:24:19.476 --> 01:24:21.976
I don't have any violations, I don't have any outstanding knowledge.

1802
01:24:22.366 --> 01:24:22.366
Right.

1803
01:24:22.396 --> 01:24:24.826
So it becomes a civil matter between the buyer and the seller.

1804
01:24:24.876 --> 01:24:28.076
If I've sold a house to somebody and it was out of compliance and I didn't follow

1805
01:24:28.116 --> 01:24:30.096
the rules when I say I signed off saying I did.

1806
01:24:30.156 --> 01:24:33.696
So bottom line, the person that buys the house is responsible to make sure the

1807
01:24:33.736 --> 01:24:34.796
house meets compliance.

1808
01:24:34.976 --> 01:24:36.016
Yep. Correct.

1809
01:24:36.216 --> 01:24:36.636
Yeah.

1810
01:24:37.136 --> 01:24:40.876
And the real estate agent's not going to tell the buyer that, trust me.

1811
01:24:40.916 --> 01:24:44.196
Well, you know what? It's very interesting because I've had a call from a real

1812
01:24:44.236 --> 01:24:48.136
estate agent who was getting ready to sell a house in this district

1813
01:24:48.576 --> 01:24:52.256
and wanted to know where she could find the de-compliance

1814
01:24:52.316 --> 01:24:56.055
information. She was not a village agent. She's an outside agent.

1815
01:24:56.656 --> 01:25:00.596
I told her where she could find it. Called me back and she said, "So if

1816
01:25:00.696 --> 01:25:04.416
I read this, it's this and this and this and this?" And I said, "Yes." And she

1817
01:25:04.536 --> 01:25:07.696
said, "I'm looking at this house, and it doesn't meet those standards.

1818
01:25:08.196 --> 01:25:11.596
So okay. That's what I need to know, and I'll share that with

1819
01:25:12.356 --> 01:25:13.596
the..." That was a good agent.

1820
01:25:14.016 --> 01:25:14.296
Yeah.

1821
01:25:14.316 --> 01:25:14.706
And I have-

1822
01:25:14.736 --> 01:25:15.536
They're out there.

1823
01:25:15.556 --> 01:25:15.706
And I-

1824
01:25:15.726 --> 01:25:17.216
But that's not the village agent I'm thinking of.

1825
01:25:17.536 --> 01:25:21.066
I don't offer a lot of personal insight during meetings, but just based on my

1826
01:25:21.096 --> 01:25:24.786
recent personal experience of moving myself, that is a very unique

1827
01:25:25.036 --> 01:25:25.416
realtor.

1828
01:25:26.036 --> 01:25:26.276
Yeah.

1829
01:25:26.306 --> 01:25:26.896
And they did-

1830
01:25:26.966 --> 01:25:28.416
I understand that. That's what I applauded.

1831
01:25:28.556 --> 01:25:28.906
So we have-

1832
01:25:28.906 --> 01:25:30.106
Because she didn't work for the village.

1833
01:25:30.106 --> 01:25:30.696
I would like to know her.

1834
01:25:30.736 --> 01:25:31.116
Well-

1835
01:25:31.196 --> 01:25:32.146
Contact Ms. Ramirez.

1836
01:25:32.676 --> 01:25:33.066
I heard about her.

1837
01:25:33.416 --> 01:25:34.596
On a daily basis

1838
01:25:35.676 --> 01:25:39.436
Can we, as a district, require that all homes

1839
01:25:39.516 --> 01:25:40.596
sold in this district

1840
01:25:41.416 --> 01:25:43.476
have a letter of certification

1841
01:25:44.876 --> 01:25:46.016
meeting deed compliance?

1842
01:25:48.616 --> 01:25:48.996
So I-

1843
01:25:49.056 --> 01:25:49.526
I know Brittany's shaking her head

1844
01:25:49.526 --> 01:25:52.556
... think there's already mechanisms in place,

1845
01:25:53.616 --> 01:25:57.176
again, outside of the district realm, but in the buying and selling of

1846
01:25:57.256 --> 01:26:01.096
houses, where you are attesting

1847
01:26:01.136 --> 01:26:03.396
to, as a seller, that you are in compliance.

1848
01:26:03.596 --> 01:26:07.156
Also, if the buyer is applying for a mortgage, I know for a fact that they will

1849
01:26:07.176 --> 01:26:11.056
require a letter from the HOA entity saying that

1850
01:26:11.116 --> 01:26:14.796
this property is in compliance. But again, if there

1851
01:26:14.836 --> 01:26:18.776
is a cash buyer, that wouldn't be a necessary step coming from the HOA.

1852
01:26:20.436 --> 01:26:24.116
Whether you can make that a standard protocol

1853
01:26:24.376 --> 01:26:25.496
through the

1854
01:26:26.476 --> 01:26:27.656
HOA ARC procedure, I

1855
01:26:28.456 --> 01:26:32.296
think you're looking at amendment to the covenants themselves to be able

1856
01:26:32.356 --> 01:26:33.606
to implement that,

1857
01:26:34.536 --> 01:26:35.396
and that would be

1858
01:26:36.436 --> 01:26:40.236
one way to do it. But outside of that, there's not a lot of

1859
01:26:40.256 --> 01:26:43.796
ways in which we can enter through the selling and buying process.

1860
01:26:43.836 --> 01:26:44.356
That's just-

1861
01:26:44.536 --> 01:26:44.936
Right

1862
01:26:44.996 --> 01:26:46.976
... individual homeowner issue.

1863
01:26:47.256 --> 01:26:51.016
And I'd like to add that on a daily basis, we get over a dozen emails from

1864
01:26:51.056 --> 01:26:54.896
title companies, either through the villages, realtors, that

1865
01:26:55.076 --> 01:26:58.816
ask about properties. I have two people dedicated to the compliance

1866
01:26:58.896 --> 01:27:02.756
inbox, just responding to title companies, asking, "Is this

1867
01:27:02.796 --> 01:27:04.706
property in... Have you ever received a complaint on this?

1868
01:27:04.776 --> 01:27:07.686
Can you provide any ARC applications in regards to this property?" And we'll say,

1869
01:27:08.186 --> 01:27:11.236
"Yes or no." They say, "How would we ensure that something has ever been done?"

1870
01:27:11.316 --> 01:27:14.876
Where our response is, "If you see an external modification to the

1871
01:27:14.896 --> 01:27:18.496
property, and we said there's no ARC, then you have your answer."

1872
01:27:18.856 --> 01:27:22.616
And they go, "Thank you very much." And we have these a dozen times a day at least

1873
01:27:22.756 --> 01:27:22.776
with-

1874
01:27:22.916 --> 01:27:23.416
You know, the problem-

1875
01:27:23.856 --> 01:27:24.386
... different companies

1876
01:27:24.386 --> 01:27:27.696
... with that is, Matt, is that the house could be out of compliance, but there's

1877
01:27:27.736 --> 01:27:30.056
no complaint. You don't know it's out of compliance.

1878
01:27:30.336 --> 01:27:30.536
Correct.

1879
01:27:30.856 --> 01:27:34.326
So the person buying the house doesn't know it's out of

1880
01:27:34.376 --> 01:27:36.656
compliance because it's not documented.

1881
01:27:37.196 --> 01:27:41.056
So now I buy a house, the neighbor doesn't like me because I'm Italian, and all of

1882
01:27:41.136 --> 01:27:45.116
a sudden, somebody now puts a complaint in, and I got to pay to get

1883
01:27:45.155 --> 01:27:46.736
the roof fixed or whatever it may be.

1884
01:27:48.416 --> 01:27:51.536
That becomes a problem. And I know how isolated that is, because I noticed a few

1885
01:27:51.616 --> 01:27:54.256
problems like that when it came to roofs and stuff, and all of a sudden, it went

1886
01:27:54.316 --> 01:27:57.316
away. And I don't want to know. I'm just saying it seems like

1887
01:27:57.756 --> 01:28:00.836
thank God, because I wouldn't want to be that buyer.

1888
01:28:01.276 --> 01:28:05.096
But it seems like the person that buys the house doesn't know what the hell

1889
01:28:05.256 --> 01:28:08.976
deed compliance is. They read it, they read the covenants, they read it,

1890
01:28:09.276 --> 01:28:13.216
they don't understand it. And the villages is not going to tell the

1891
01:28:13.296 --> 01:28:13.876
buyer.

1892
01:28:14.176 --> 01:28:14.316
Right.

1893
01:28:16.816 --> 01:28:18.276
We haven't had a lot at this board-

1894
01:28:18.336 --> 01:28:18.486
Well, and-

1895
01:28:18.496 --> 01:28:21.596
... the people with big problems when it came to roofs replacement, thank God.

1896
01:28:21.676 --> 01:28:23.755
The one roof issue we had was self-inflicted.

1897
01:28:24.156 --> 01:28:24.376
Yes.

1898
01:28:24.396 --> 01:28:24.406
Yes.

1899
01:28:24.416 --> 01:28:26.096
The person that put the roof on-

1900
01:28:26.156 --> 01:28:26.165
Yes

1901
01:28:26.165 --> 01:28:26.496
They knew.

1902
01:28:26.756 --> 01:28:26.876
Yeah

1903
01:28:26.916 --> 01:28:30.816
... they knew the roof needed to be replaced, but they chose the wrong color.

1904
01:28:30.856 --> 01:28:32.505
That's right. They didn't go through-

1905
01:28:32.546 --> 01:28:34.116
But they didn't read their message.

1906
01:28:34.156 --> 01:28:38.016
Yeah. Well, I tell everybody, and I'm sure every supervisor does that, don't do

1907
01:28:38.096 --> 01:28:41.396
anything outside without architect review,

1908
01:28:42.336 --> 01:28:45.116
asking them. Don't do anything. I don't care if you got to cut your grass sideways,

1909
01:28:45.496 --> 01:28:46.256
get the okay.

1910
01:28:47.536 --> 01:28:48.876
Seriously. Yeah.

1911
01:28:48.916 --> 01:28:53.996
Our

1912
01:28:54.016 --> 01:28:59.596
initial

1913
01:28:59.636 --> 01:29:03.456
thing is, I'd like to see the steps laid

1914
01:29:03.516 --> 01:29:07.276
out with the initiation of a demand letter on the

1915
01:29:07.356 --> 01:29:11.296
four that exist right now at 1,500, but I would like to

1916
01:29:11.356 --> 01:29:14.656
see for the future that drop to $1,000.

1917
01:29:14.776 --> 01:29:15.256
I think that

1918
01:29:16.116 --> 01:29:16.586
might be the stepping stone.

1919
01:29:16.586 --> 01:29:20.036
Yeah, but you don't want to drop it too much because, and don't get me wrong, I'm

1920
01:29:20.076 --> 01:29:23.756
so happy we got an independent lawyer, but they get fees, and they up their fees

1921
01:29:23.836 --> 01:29:26.956
every year, or every whatever, every two years.

1922
01:29:26.996 --> 01:29:29.976
We make that too low, it becomes counterproductive.

1923
01:29:30.636 --> 01:29:33.076
I keep saying, it's the third time I brought this up, it's very important.

1924
01:29:33.116 --> 01:29:36.906
It's all about the money. So if we end up lowering it down 1,000, it costs you

1925
01:29:37.036 --> 01:29:40.646
1,500 to get the money back, and that's if you do get it back, it becomes

1926
01:29:40.716 --> 01:29:43.546
counterproductive. So be careful about lowering anything. I would up it.

1927
01:29:43.546 --> 01:29:44.626
There's some possibility, and then- Yeah

1928
01:29:45.316 --> 01:29:48.286
We need to look at it

1929
01:29:48.356 --> 01:29:51.276
... get this thing going as soon as-

1930
01:29:51.336 --> 01:29:51.576
I agree

1931
01:29:51.656 --> 01:29:55.475
... possible because the longer it lingers, the more

1932
01:29:55.956 --> 01:29:59.896
difficult it becomes in this scenario of, okay, let's pursue

1933
01:29:59.976 --> 01:30:01.896
all these five steps or four steps.

1934
01:30:02.116 --> 01:30:02.796
And I'm amazed-

1935
01:30:02.956 --> 01:30:03.876
Why don't we get it started now?

1936
01:30:03.956 --> 01:30:04.856
Yeah. We should.

1937
01:30:04.906 --> 01:30:08.296
John, and the thing that will happen is that once the demand letters start going

1938
01:30:08.336 --> 01:30:09.916
out and people know there's a process-

1939
01:30:10.376 --> 01:30:10.386
Yes

1940
01:30:10.386 --> 01:30:11.276
... they'll pay more attention-

1941
01:30:11.356 --> 01:30:11.365
I think-

1942
01:30:11.365 --> 01:30:11.956
... without the demand letter

1943
01:30:11.976 --> 01:30:12.676
... I think you're right.

1944
01:30:13.156 --> 01:30:14.536
When they know there's teeth in this-

1945
01:30:14.896 --> 01:30:15.096
I agree

1946
01:30:15.166 --> 01:30:16.476
... then we're good. So

1947
01:30:17.516 --> 01:30:18.856
you want me to make the motion, Ed, or you want to make the motion?

1948
01:30:18.876 --> 01:30:19.536
Yeah, go ahead.

1949
01:30:20.056 --> 01:30:23.536
I would like to make a motion that we follow the process that's been laid out.

1950
01:30:23.936 --> 01:30:24.616
Demand letter,

1951
01:30:26.376 --> 01:30:28.296
collection, and then the two-

1952
01:30:29.476 --> 01:30:30.686
A small claim court. Mm-hmm

1953
01:30:30.686 --> 01:30:31.156
... small claim court, and then

1954
01:30:32.196 --> 01:30:32.756
after that,

1955
01:30:33.656 --> 01:30:37.136
that we start immediately on anything that's 1,500 or more,

1956
01:30:38.596 --> 01:30:39.916
and we get the process rolling.

1957
01:30:41.056 --> 01:30:43.056
And then if we want to,

1958
01:30:44.636 --> 01:30:47.236
as a later thing, we can look at changing the-

1959
01:30:47.376 --> 01:30:47.896
The process

1960
01:30:47.956 --> 01:30:51.056
... the process. But for now, I think that we move forward with that.

1961
01:30:51.116 --> 01:30:51.716
That's the motion.

1962
01:30:52.076 --> 01:30:52.966
Okay. Do I get a second?

1963
01:30:53.036 --> 01:30:53.936
I'll second all that.

1964
01:30:54.196 --> 01:30:56.416
Yeah. All in favor? That's a tough one.

1965
01:30:56.476 --> 01:30:56.636
Aye.

1966
01:30:56.756 --> 01:30:57.336
All in favor?

1967
01:30:57.996 --> 01:30:58.006
Aye.

1968
01:30:58.036 --> 01:31:00.396
I'm favor. Any opposed? Seeing none.

1969
01:31:01.476 --> 01:31:04.576
So just as a follow-up, if the board is comfortable

1970
01:31:04.776 --> 01:31:08.756
designating a board member to sign off on the final form of

1971
01:31:08.796 --> 01:31:12.496
the demand letter to go out with, I can issue those four

1972
01:31:12.536 --> 01:31:13.696
outstanding-

1973
01:31:13.956 --> 01:31:14.386
Okay. Thank you

1974
01:31:14.386 --> 01:31:17.036
... in between meetings, so we don't have to wait for the next board meeting to get

1975
01:31:17.076 --> 01:31:17.136
them.

1976
01:31:17.196 --> 01:31:17.276
Right.

1977
01:31:17.356 --> 01:31:20.996
So looks like, for the record, the supervisors are

1978
01:31:21.036 --> 01:31:23.756
nominating Supervisor Vicente to that job.

1979
01:31:24.536 --> 01:31:25.596
So congratulations.

1980
01:31:25.656 --> 01:31:26.006
He's not buying it.

1981
01:31:26.006 --> 01:31:26.176
No.

1982
01:31:27.216 --> 01:31:27.476
No.

1983
01:31:28.896 --> 01:31:32.876
I don't want... You could do it. The bottom line is, once I

1984
01:31:32.916 --> 01:31:35.856
get the letter, I won't okay it until everybody sees it.

1985
01:31:35.916 --> 01:31:36.356
In other words-

1986
01:31:36.446 --> 01:31:36.446
Right

1987
01:31:36.446 --> 01:31:38.456
... yeah. I would never do anything unless it goes to the whole board.

1988
01:31:38.596 --> 01:31:42.356
Right. But if you see the first letter and you want some changes, just get them in,

1989
01:31:42.386 --> 01:31:42.386
and-

1990
01:31:42.416 --> 01:31:44.046
Yeah. But then I would bring

1991
01:31:45.116 --> 01:31:45.886
it to the board, then we can change it.

1992
01:31:45.886 --> 01:31:47.916
Okay. No, we'll bring the form letter to the next board meeting.

1993
01:31:47.936 --> 01:31:48.356
Exactly.

1994
01:31:48.736 --> 01:31:52.616
As well as some options for collection agencies, and Brittany

1995
01:31:52.676 --> 01:31:53.296
will work on that.

1996
01:31:53.376 --> 01:31:57.196
Okay. No question on that.If we approve this now, you can get

1997
01:31:57.276 --> 01:32:01.176
started. Jerry, you can approve the initial demand letter, and then we'll see it at

1998
01:32:01.216 --> 01:32:03.775
the next board meeting, but the process will have already started.

1999
01:32:04.636 --> 01:32:05.936
Or are we going to wait a month-

2000
01:32:06.316 --> 01:32:06.576
Well-

2001
01:32:07.456 --> 01:32:07.586
... to complete the process?

2002
01:32:07.616 --> 01:32:11.436
What I was initially asking was, is the board comfortable having Jerry sign

2003
01:32:11.476 --> 01:32:14.236
off on the letter to be issued? But it doesn't sound so.

2004
01:32:14.376 --> 01:32:17.596
I can bring the template to the next board meeting.

2005
01:32:17.796 --> 01:32:17.846
I have no problem with signing off on it.

2006
01:32:17.846 --> 01:32:19.016
I don't have a problem either.

2007
01:32:19.076 --> 01:32:19.456
You're good.

2008
01:32:21.636 --> 01:32:21.856
Okay.

2009
01:32:21.906 --> 01:32:21.906
Okay.

2010
01:32:21.936 --> 01:32:22.966
If we don't like it, we'll change it.

2011
01:32:22.966 --> 01:32:23.536
And we can

2012
01:32:24.716 --> 01:32:25.946
always tweak the letter if it's not to your satisfaction.

2013
01:32:25.976 --> 01:32:29.945
My point is, if we sign off on it, it may not be the final

2014
01:32:29.976 --> 01:32:32.996
proof. Obviously, we're all going to have input, okay?

2015
01:32:33.056 --> 01:32:33.536
Yes.

2016
01:32:33.636 --> 01:32:36.256
At some later point. But at least it will get going.

2017
01:32:36.556 --> 01:32:37.296
And I agree with you.

2018
01:32:37.316 --> 01:32:40.956
And we will place it on the agenda at minimum for ratification once it's been

2019
01:32:41.016 --> 01:32:44.876
issued. And so if you have any feedback on the form letter, please let me know.

2020
01:32:44.976 --> 01:32:46.916
So we get those four done, and...

2021
01:32:47.016 --> 01:32:49.176
Oh, great. That's nice. What do you think? You good?

2022
01:32:49.436 --> 01:32:49.856
Good. Yep.

2023
01:32:49.916 --> 01:32:50.476
Everybody good?

2024
01:32:50.556 --> 01:32:50.676
Yep.

2025
01:32:51.796 --> 01:32:55.376
So just additional direction regarding the threshold for

2026
01:32:55.576 --> 01:32:59.536
future public hearing cases, that the threshold

2027
01:32:59.596 --> 01:33:00.876
would be set at 1,000?

2028
01:33:01.796 --> 01:33:05.696
So essentially everything existing on that tracking sheet that's on your

2029
01:33:05.756 --> 01:33:08.296
agenda, they were noticed at 1,500.

2030
01:33:08.716 --> 01:33:10.916
Let's keep it at 1,500, I would think. Are we ready?

2031
01:33:11.876 --> 01:33:14.716
Because the fee's going to go up, and that 1,000's going to become

2032
01:33:14.736 --> 01:33:16.416
counterproductive maybe by next year.

2033
01:33:17.436 --> 01:33:21.356
We don't want to pay, as I said again, we don't want to pay $2,000 to get back

2034
01:33:21.366 --> 01:33:22.796
$1,000. It makes no sense.

2035
01:33:22.916 --> 01:33:24.096
Again.

2036
01:33:24.456 --> 01:33:27.676
Don't we want the public hearing to happen well before that?

2037
01:33:28.316 --> 01:33:31.876
So, I would

2038
01:33:31.916 --> 01:33:34.116
request that there be an item on the agenda.

2039
01:33:34.896 --> 01:33:38.836
Next month is budget, so let's not do it next month, but in June, there be

2040
01:33:38.876 --> 01:33:41.776
an item on the agenda to discuss the threshold.

2041
01:33:42.016 --> 01:33:42.216
Okay.

2042
01:33:42.836 --> 01:33:43.156
How's that?

2043
01:33:44.036 --> 01:33:45.456
We'll include that on old business.

2044
01:33:45.716 --> 01:33:48.796
Yeah. But that it be on the agenda for...

2045
01:33:49.396 --> 01:33:51.976
We're going to be busy next month, talking about other money.

2046
01:33:52.046 --> 01:33:54.956
So we should have more money to talk about in June.

2047
01:33:55.476 --> 01:33:58.996
And I think to the point that Judy and

2048
01:33:59.216 --> 01:34:02.596
myself made is that I understand your concern,

2049
01:34:03.236 --> 01:34:04.015
but hopefully

2050
01:34:04.836 --> 01:34:07.976
this process is going to generate some

2051
01:34:09.716 --> 01:34:13.256
interest in the homeowners going ahead and paying those fines.

2052
01:34:13.376 --> 01:34:17.136
So our concern about dropping it to 1,000 may

2053
01:34:17.216 --> 01:34:19.436
not be an issue of having more of these.

2054
01:34:19.536 --> 01:34:22.556
It may be that we're more successful-

2055
01:34:23.036 --> 01:34:23.116
Yes

2056
01:34:23.176 --> 01:34:27.085
... in getting the homeowners to come forward and pay.

2057
01:34:27.136 --> 01:34:30.936
And the sooner that, if we do it at 1,000, then they have

2058
01:34:30.976 --> 01:34:32.936
less money to pay, they're more likely to pay it.

2059
01:34:32.996 --> 01:34:33.356
Yeah.

2060
01:34:33.376 --> 01:34:34.386
The longer it gets-

2061
01:34:34.396 --> 01:34:34.996
That's a good point

2062
01:34:35.016 --> 01:34:35.506
... the harder it is on them.

2063
01:34:35.506 --> 01:34:35.976
That's a good point.

2064
01:34:36.416 --> 01:34:38.256
I think we'll just have that discussion in June.

2065
01:34:38.616 --> 01:34:39.216
That's fair.

2066
01:34:39.596 --> 01:34:39.936
Okay.

2067
01:34:40.596 --> 01:34:43.996
And another point of follow-up, I think the board was pretty

2068
01:34:44.096 --> 01:34:47.986
unanimously consistent on reaching out to the

2069
01:34:47.986 --> 01:34:48.516
developer.

2070
01:34:48.576 --> 01:34:49.136
Definitely.

2071
01:34:49.436 --> 01:34:49.596
Yeah.

2072
01:34:49.636 --> 01:34:53.226
We would like a person who's already established this relationship to have that

2073
01:34:53.896 --> 01:34:56.906
conversation first and then review the approach, like Matt

2074
01:34:57.176 --> 01:34:57.966
mentioned.

2075
01:34:58.076 --> 01:35:01.996
Yeah, let's have Brittany do it because it'll

2076
01:35:02.006 --> 01:35:02.476
be cheaper.

2077
01:35:05.336 --> 01:35:07.076
And I'm being very honest.

2078
01:35:07.216 --> 01:35:10.516
If the board concurs, I'll draft a letter.

2079
01:35:10.556 --> 01:35:10.936
Yeah.

2080
01:35:11.196 --> 01:35:12.776
With the request.

2081
01:35:12.796 --> 01:35:14.296
Well, that's what we always do. You draft the letter.

2082
01:35:14.376 --> 01:35:15.276
Yeah, exactly.

2083
01:35:15.336 --> 01:35:15.436
Yeah.

2084
01:35:15.676 --> 01:35:16.036
Thank you.

2085
01:35:16.336 --> 01:35:19.796
I would think the other districts

2086
01:35:20.416 --> 01:35:24.276
would be in favor of that themselves, because whether there was

2087
01:35:24.296 --> 01:35:27.636
a difference of opinion between our council and theirs,

2088
01:35:28.216 --> 01:35:29.716
this would more solidify

2089
01:35:31.576 --> 01:35:35.316
village-wide what the districts can and cannot

2090
01:35:35.356 --> 01:35:38.396
do. So I would think that would be

2091
01:35:38.896 --> 01:35:41.986
favorable with the other districts as well, requesting that.

2092
01:35:42.036 --> 01:35:45.856
If it's vague right now, it wouldn't be vague in the

2093
01:35:45.936 --> 01:35:48.786
future if such a change was made to 190.

2094
01:35:49.156 --> 01:35:51.096
Brittany, the other districts have the same problem.

2095
01:35:51.136 --> 01:35:54.576
They have a lot of money that's due them that they haven't got through fines.

2096
01:35:54.596 --> 01:35:55.136
Am I correct?

2097
01:35:55.676 --> 01:35:57.116
That'd be a good question for Matt there.

2098
01:35:57.896 --> 01:35:58.656
Oh, Matt.

2099
01:35:59.176 --> 01:36:00.616
Here he comes.

2100
01:36:00.976 --> 01:36:01.506
Hey, Matt.

2101
01:36:01.976 --> 01:36:03.156
Aren't you happy you joined the district?

2102
01:36:03.196 --> 01:36:05.756
Just in time. Maybe we can get him a seat at the table,

2103
01:36:06.616 --> 01:36:06.626
Matt.

2104
01:36:06.636 --> 01:36:07.416
I like my spot here.

2105
01:36:08.396 --> 01:36:12.236
So we've actually been very successful with the lien process so far this

2106
01:36:12.275 --> 01:36:15.756
year for the other districts. We've collected over $125,000.

2107
01:36:15.876 --> 01:36:19.856
We have $8,000 coming on a tax deed sale where we have a lien on it

2108
01:36:19.896 --> 01:36:23.836
in the Lady Lake County area. And for example, District 6

2109
01:36:23.936 --> 01:36:27.656
this year, we actually wiped out their entire public hearing

2110
01:36:27.876 --> 01:36:29.616
update because we collected all their fines.

2111
01:36:30.816 --> 01:36:34.156
No kidding. And they're waiting till $5,000 before they pursue it?

2112
01:36:34.496 --> 01:36:34.836
I'm sorry?

2113
01:36:35.116 --> 01:36:36.246
And the lawyer waits-

2114
01:36:36.316 --> 01:36:38.676
They haven't had to. We've done the work with the lien process.

2115
01:36:38.776 --> 01:36:39.536
No kidding.

2116
01:36:41.416 --> 01:36:42.816
And how come we're behind?

2117
01:36:42.936 --> 01:36:44.416
Yeah. Why aren't you taking care of us?

2118
01:36:45.336 --> 01:36:47.056
Difference of opinion in legal counsel.

2119
01:36:49.716 --> 01:36:53.696
Again, whether the districts have the statutory

2120
01:36:53.716 --> 01:36:57.536
authority to lien the property or not, our position is you do

2121
01:36:57.556 --> 01:36:57.796
not.

2122
01:36:58.556 --> 01:36:59.346
That's not okay with you.

2123
01:36:59.396 --> 01:37:02.296
The legal risk in doing that is that

2124
01:37:03.136 --> 01:37:06.496
once somebody realizes that that is not a statutorily provided

2125
01:37:06.676 --> 01:37:10.336
process, the district could be sued that they're not properly

2126
01:37:10.396 --> 01:37:14.056
acting on their authority. Case precedent is clear

2127
01:37:14.136 --> 01:37:17.666
that legislative created bodies, such as the CBD, like yourself,

2128
01:37:18.216 --> 01:37:20.646
only have those powers that are granted through the legislature,

2129
01:37:21.226 --> 01:37:25.076
what's enumerated in the statute. You do not have that power.

2130
01:37:25.656 --> 01:37:28.496
Wait till somebody reads our minutes of this meeting-

2131
01:37:28.996 --> 01:37:29.116
Yeah

2132
01:37:29.136 --> 01:37:30.536
... and they just find that out.

2133
01:37:30.596 --> 01:37:32.596
I expected something. I thought Meadow was going to put something out from last

2134
01:37:32.616 --> 01:37:32.946
week.

2135
01:37:33.256 --> 01:37:36.616
And you know what I think? And just my opinion. Opinion sometimes stink.

2136
01:37:36.996 --> 01:37:40.936
Is that the other lawyer don't tell, the other attorney doesn't tell the

2137
01:37:40.976 --> 01:37:41.676
person that...

2138
01:37:43.226 --> 01:37:45.356
They'll threaten to put a lien on the house.

2139
01:37:45.776 --> 01:37:49.596
Not telling the person they're threatening that technically we really may not win

2140
01:37:49.616 --> 01:37:50.136
it in court.

2141
01:37:50.696 --> 01:37:53.726
It's working for them if it works for us.

2142
01:37:53.776 --> 01:37:53.926
Yeah.

2143
01:37:54.976 --> 01:37:56.936
Maybe we'll have a more effective process.

2144
01:37:57.316 --> 01:37:57.606
Let's be on the safe side for this one.

2145
01:37:57.606 --> 01:37:58.836
Yeah. That's strange. Okay.

2146
01:37:58.876 --> 01:37:59.496
We got something.

2147
01:37:59.696 --> 01:38:02.148
Thanks.Beautiful. Nice.

2148
01:38:02.928 --> 01:38:06.488
Just a couple more things from me. I've spoken

2149
01:38:06.508 --> 01:38:07.048
today.

2150
01:38:08.108 --> 01:38:11.148
But the legislature did conclude their session.

2151
01:38:11.168 --> 01:38:15.088
They failed to adopt a budget, so they need to come back for a special session

2152
01:38:15.148 --> 01:38:17.308
in order to do so middle of this month.

2153
01:38:17.428 --> 01:38:20.428
But in the meanwhile, there were some bills of interest that did pass and is

2154
01:38:20.468 --> 01:38:22.308
waiting to be signed by the governor, which

2155
01:38:23.128 --> 01:38:26.618
upon signature, then it'll become effective upon the designated effective

2156
01:38:26.648 --> 01:38:30.248
dates. There was a bill passed that allows for

2157
01:38:30.308 --> 01:38:34.248
recalling of CDD supervisors and general election seats on the grounds

2158
01:38:34.328 --> 01:38:37.848
for removal of these particular statutorily enumerated

2159
01:38:37.948 --> 01:38:41.098
grounds, malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty,

2160
01:38:41.318 --> 01:38:45.288
drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties,

2161
01:38:45.328 --> 01:38:48.868
or conviction of a felony involving moral turpitude.

2162
01:38:49.588 --> 01:38:53.518
We obviously have no idea how this will play out in action because it's

2163
01:38:53.588 --> 01:38:57.348
new. It is waiting to be still signed by the governor, but if signed by the

2164
01:38:57.368 --> 01:38:58.888
governor, it'll be effective July 1.

2165
01:38:59.408 --> 01:39:02.638
That same bill included language updates to

2166
01:39:02.688 --> 01:39:05.588
the regulation regarding synthetic turf.

2167
01:39:05.968 --> 01:39:08.388
I think Britney's mentioned that a couple meetings ago.

2168
01:39:09.248 --> 01:39:09.838
That

2169
01:39:10.688 --> 01:39:14.348
prohibition against local governments from regulating synthetic turf does not apply

2170
01:39:14.388 --> 01:39:16.008
to CDDs enforcing deed restrictions.

2171
01:39:16.028 --> 01:39:19.228
So we would be able to regulate use of synthetic turf.

2172
01:39:19.508 --> 01:39:23.038
So I'm sure the follow-up from that would be ARC staff will revisit that

2173
01:39:23.648 --> 01:39:26.778
issue on whether they intend to incorporate synthetic turf or not.

2174
01:39:26.928 --> 01:39:29.408
Michelle, I got her email. One person in

2175
01:39:30.308 --> 01:39:33.688
Hemingway, which is district 7, is pursuing that.

2176
01:39:33.748 --> 01:39:35.448
He wants to go with artificial turf.

2177
01:39:35.788 --> 01:39:39.628
And he was aware that they changed the law where you're allowed to have it in

2178
01:39:39.648 --> 01:39:43.527
Florida. And that's when it came up, where we discussed it last month.

2179
01:39:44.028 --> 01:39:44.288
So,

2180
01:39:45.828 --> 01:39:49.708
I emailed him two days ago, in fact, I copied you, tell him I was going to bring it

2181
01:39:49.768 --> 01:39:52.008
up, and you have. So just to

2182
01:39:53.528 --> 01:39:55.788
get right to the heart of the issue,

2183
01:39:57.188 --> 01:40:01.128
are we allowed in the CDD in villages to have artificial turf

2184
01:40:01.208 --> 01:40:02.348
as of today?

2185
01:40:04.248 --> 01:40:06.928
No, the deed restrictions, and I'll defer to Mr.

2186
01:40:07.208 --> 01:40:07.928
Armstrong because

2187
01:40:09.028 --> 01:40:12.928
some of it is included within the standards,

2188
01:40:12.988 --> 01:40:16.448
and some of it is very explicit within the deed restrictions that there's a

2189
01:40:16.488 --> 01:40:20.188
prohibition against it. So we have the ability to

2190
01:40:20.348 --> 01:40:24.328
regulate synthetic turf because the prohibition on the local

2191
01:40:24.388 --> 01:40:26.248
governments does not apply to CDDs.

2192
01:40:26.568 --> 01:40:26.737
Yeah.

2193
01:40:26.808 --> 01:40:30.468
It's a little bit backwards, but basically, we have the right to regulate it.

2194
01:40:30.808 --> 01:40:33.368
So in other words, we could have it if we want then.

2195
01:40:34.008 --> 01:40:36.968
We would check the deed restrictions because the deed restrictions have language

2196
01:40:36.988 --> 01:40:40.328
about having sod in a certain percentage on some of these properties.

2197
01:40:40.428 --> 01:40:44.088
Units require at least minimum 51% of sod on the

2198
01:40:44.128 --> 01:40:46.598
property. So there's language in the deed restrictions that-

2199
01:40:46.628 --> 01:40:49.048
Don't that vary, Matt, on certain homes?

2200
01:40:49.148 --> 01:40:52.908
Correct. We'd have to check each of the units

2201
01:40:53.208 --> 01:40:54.388
and find out, so.

2202
01:40:54.908 --> 01:40:57.928
Okay. It varies. I could tell you because when I first bought here

2203
01:40:58.868 --> 01:40:59.677
in 2008,

2204
01:41:01.588 --> 01:41:04.848
there was a thing where we had no grass because of the

2205
01:41:05.748 --> 01:41:09.708
water shortage. All of a sudden now, people are getting fined because they want

2206
01:41:09.728 --> 01:41:12.368
to put rocks, and they won't allow it. They got to put in grass.

2207
01:41:12.968 --> 01:41:16.908
So I could tell you there's courtyard villas in one section, go down

2208
01:41:16.928 --> 01:41:20.728
a half a mile, they're not allowed to have rocks. We're allowed to have rocks.

2209
01:41:21.228 --> 01:41:25.088
Same as the turf. Will that scenario happen now with turf, with

2210
01:41:25.148 --> 01:41:28.728
some people going to be allowed to have turf and some people not artificial turf?

2211
01:41:28.778 --> 01:41:30.588
Is that an issue that may happen?

2212
01:41:30.728 --> 01:41:34.488
So right now, per the architectural review manual, synthetic turf is not permitted.

2213
01:41:35.128 --> 01:41:38.068
And we would have to check the deed restrictions to see which ones have

2214
01:41:38.108 --> 01:41:40.548
prohibitions on, like you have to have sod.

2215
01:41:40.568 --> 01:41:40.578
Okay.

2216
01:41:40.628 --> 01:41:42.698
It says you need sod, and then-

2217
01:41:42.968 --> 01:41:45.188
But the individual boards could change that. Am I correct?

2218
01:41:46.788 --> 01:41:50.618
That's why it depends on if that unit contains it within

2219
01:41:50.648 --> 01:41:51.708
the deed restrictions-

2220
01:41:51.828 --> 01:41:51.908
Yes

2221
01:41:51.918 --> 01:41:53.168
... no, you cannot change it.

2222
01:41:55.448 --> 01:41:56.128
Okay.

2223
01:41:58.068 --> 01:41:58.348
All right.

2224
01:41:58.668 --> 01:42:02.408
As in the deed restrictions themselves have to change in order for

2225
01:42:02.468 --> 01:42:03.188
us to change-

2226
01:42:03.248 --> 01:42:03.488
Right. Yeah

2227
01:42:03.508 --> 01:42:04.028
... our policy.

2228
01:42:04.048 --> 01:42:07.548
And so we got to determine what houses are allowed to have turf and what aren't.

2229
01:42:07.648 --> 01:42:08.488
God bless you.

2230
01:42:08.528 --> 01:42:09.228
Correct. So at

2231
01:42:10.228 --> 01:42:13.388
courtyard villas, I could see because it does allow for some there, but like patio

2232
01:42:13.408 --> 01:42:17.068
villas and homes, verandas down south, the garden patio

2233
01:42:17.148 --> 01:42:18.487
villas down south,

2234
01:42:19.307 --> 01:42:21.228
no. They all have language on sods.

2235
01:42:21.248 --> 01:42:25.128
The only one I can think of would be looking at your courtyard villas and seeing.

2236
01:42:25.228 --> 01:42:28.858
But again, that's going to be 895 deed

2237
01:42:28.908 --> 01:42:30.468
restrictions to review, so-

2238
01:42:30.508 --> 01:42:30.788
Wow

2239
01:42:30.808 --> 01:42:31.448
... we'll have to work through that.

2240
01:42:31.628 --> 01:42:32.448
Oh, you'll be busy.

2241
01:42:32.488 --> 01:42:32.928
Yes.

2242
01:42:33.008 --> 01:42:36.888
Yeah. So the only ones that you think might be allowed to have it will be

2243
01:42:36.928 --> 01:42:37.628
courtyard villas.

2244
01:42:37.788 --> 01:42:39.418
I'm going to look through every single deed restriction.

2245
01:42:39.418 --> 01:42:39.908
I'm just saying, yeah.

2246
01:42:39.968 --> 01:42:40.188
But yeah.

2247
01:42:40.228 --> 01:42:40.828
I understand.

2248
01:42:40.968 --> 01:42:42.428
But what about the standard homes?

2249
01:42:44.168 --> 01:42:47.908
I believe all of them have language on sod in their deed restrictions.

2250
01:42:47.968 --> 01:42:50.728
So again, I'm going to have to look at each one individually and take a look at

2251
01:42:50.748 --> 01:42:51.108
each one.

2252
01:42:51.728 --> 01:42:52.068
Okay. Wow.

2253
01:42:52.368 --> 01:42:53.928
Yeah, look at this one, I guess.

2254
01:42:53.988 --> 01:42:55.438
Yeah, I would actually raise. I'm

2255
01:42:57.388 --> 01:43:01.288
going to ... All right. Thank

2256
01:43:01.328 --> 01:43:03.648
you. Thanks for bringing it up, Michelle, because I was going to thank you.

2257
01:43:03.748 --> 01:43:07.528
Sure. Additional bills that did pass of the bills of interest to this

2258
01:43:07.568 --> 01:43:11.508
district, there was an increase to the statutory limited

2259
01:43:11.588 --> 01:43:14.968
waiver of sovereign immunity. It increased to

2260
01:43:15.288 --> 01:43:18.118
350,000 per person from 200 previously,

2261
01:43:19.128 --> 01:43:22.908
and also 500,000 per incident, which was 300,000 previously, which

2262
01:43:22.968 --> 01:43:23.888
is not a huge,

2263
01:43:24.988 --> 01:43:27.028
significant jump since it's been

2264
01:43:28.148 --> 01:43:32.108
just one change in many years. That's still waiting to be

2265
01:43:32.148 --> 01:43:35.888
signed by the governor. There is now a bill

2266
01:43:36.008 --> 01:43:39.668
passed that would require the local governments to accept credit card

2267
01:43:39.788 --> 01:43:42.728
payments and electronic payment, provide an electronic payment option.

2268
01:43:43.668 --> 01:43:45.758
It removed the current statutory language that

2269
01:43:46.608 --> 01:43:49.248
essentially stated that the CDD must make best efforts.

2270
01:43:49.408 --> 01:43:52.828
So it made it mandatory for us to provide an electronic option.

2271
01:43:52.848 --> 01:43:56.528
If it does get signed by the governor, the management will have

2272
01:43:56.748 --> 01:44:00.728
until January 1 of next year to implement an electronic payment

2273
01:44:00.868 --> 01:44:04.712
option.There was another bill passed

2274
01:44:04.732 --> 01:44:08.292
that was actually signed by the governor, so it's in effect as of April

2275
01:44:08.352 --> 01:44:12.292
1st. It revised the definition of relative in the code of ethics to

2276
01:44:12.332 --> 01:44:16.052
include current and former foster parent-child relationships.

2277
01:44:16.132 --> 01:44:20.052
So if you're thinking about your conflict of interest and whether that should

2278
01:44:20.412 --> 01:44:20.952
affect your

2279
01:44:22.052 --> 01:44:24.352
voting in a certain matter that may come before the

2280
01:44:24.532 --> 01:44:28.452
board for district business,

2281
01:44:28.552 --> 01:44:31.632
it does now include your relationship with any foster care.

2282
01:44:34.671 --> 01:44:38.472
One last bill of interest that I think you all would like to

2283
01:44:38.512 --> 01:44:42.172
know is there's some updates to the ethics training forthcoming.

2284
01:44:42.262 --> 01:44:46.072
The bill required the Commission on Ethics to update their training to include

2285
01:44:46.132 --> 01:44:49.952
known efforts by foreign countries of concern to target and influence sub-national

2286
01:44:49.972 --> 01:44:50.442
governments,

2287
01:44:51.392 --> 01:44:52.782
like the Chinese Communist Party,

2288
01:44:53.652 --> 01:44:57.192
United Front strategy, how to identify, recognize, and report

2289
01:44:57.312 --> 01:45:01.212
suspected foreign influence in campaigns, and inform on the penalties

2290
01:45:01.232 --> 01:45:05.052
for those violations relating gifts from those foreign countries of concern.

2291
01:45:05.132 --> 01:45:08.812
There's specific statutory definition for foreign countries of concern

2292
01:45:09.732 --> 01:45:13.692
that include the People's Republic of China, the Russian Federation, the

2293
01:45:13.752 --> 01:45:17.592
Islamic Republic of Iran, the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea,

2294
01:45:17.692 --> 01:45:21.492
that's North Korea, Republic of Cuba, the Venezuelan

2295
01:45:21.552 --> 01:45:25.092
regime of Nicolás Maduro, or the Syrian Arab Republic.

2296
01:45:26.472 --> 01:45:29.942
Again, that one is waiting to be signed by the governor, and we'll

2297
01:45:29.992 --> 01:45:32.252
know when they are signed by the governor.

2298
01:45:33.492 --> 01:45:37.232
But if they don't get signed, the bills have a certain time limit.

2299
01:45:37.692 --> 01:45:40.392
If they don't get signed, then it just automatically becomes law.

2300
01:45:42.732 --> 01:45:45.052
The nice thing about that, it'll force them to update the-

2301
01:45:45.172 --> 01:45:45.352
Yeah

2302
01:45:45.412 --> 01:45:46.112
... ethics watch.

2303
01:45:46.232 --> 01:45:46.652
Yeah.

2304
01:45:48.052 --> 01:45:52.012
Brittany, just if we could have an update on the turf when they do have an update-

2305
01:45:52.232 --> 01:45:52.442
Yes

2306
01:45:52.442 --> 01:45:55.712
... and put down the agenda, that's all. Yeah. Is that it, Michelle?

2307
01:45:56.392 --> 01:45:56.862
Yep, that's it.

2308
01:45:57.032 --> 01:45:58.732
Beautiful. Thank you. Perfect. Next.

2309
01:45:58.822 --> 01:46:00.342
Thank you for coming and hanging with us today.

2310
01:46:00.412 --> 01:46:01.462
Yeah. Okay, now we got

2311
01:46:01.572 --> 01:46:05.132
supervisor comments.

2312
01:46:05.912 --> 01:46:07.852
Ed, you want to talk about CWAP?

2313
01:46:10.692 --> 01:46:14.432
The one issue was already discussed regarding

2314
01:46:14.472 --> 01:46:14.732
the

2315
01:46:15.672 --> 01:46:19.482
presentation on the executive golf course, the conditions, and

2316
01:46:19.552 --> 01:46:22.592
such. The only other item that I think is

2317
01:46:23.212 --> 01:46:26.672
hopefully of interest would be the agreement to

2318
01:46:27.452 --> 01:46:30.352
go ahead to Sumter Landing Development District.

2319
01:46:32.572 --> 01:46:33.372
We approved

2320
01:46:34.192 --> 01:46:37.592
proceeding with the implementation of long-range readers.

2321
01:46:38.752 --> 01:46:42.652
Correct me if I'm wrong, because this was your

2322
01:46:42.732 --> 01:46:46.632
issue or your presentation, is that going

2323
01:46:46.692 --> 01:46:50.232
even with the long-range readers won't require

2324
01:46:50.712 --> 01:46:54.232
individuals to change their card, the existing

2325
01:46:54.352 --> 01:46:57.892
access cards, correct? But they would be able to go

2326
01:46:57.952 --> 01:47:01.512
ahead and purchase the stickers or the

2327
01:47:01.812 --> 01:47:03.252
new cards that would

2328
01:47:04.772 --> 01:47:06.422
work on these long-range readers.

2329
01:47:06.492 --> 01:47:10.312
The ones that the various board members had, there's a little

2330
01:47:10.392 --> 01:47:11.072
sticker on the

2331
01:47:12.612 --> 01:47:16.521
headlight that would be read by the readers when

2332
01:47:16.552 --> 01:47:17.752
you drove up to them. So,

2333
01:47:19.152 --> 01:47:20.652
I believe that there was an

2334
01:47:22.592 --> 01:47:26.252
estimation that if people went ahead and did that, that it would actually

2335
01:47:26.352 --> 01:47:30.252
be less of a cost overall to the

2336
01:47:30.292 --> 01:47:33.862
villages in going ahead and updating these.

2337
01:47:34.012 --> 01:47:35.492
Did I understood that correctly?

2338
01:47:35.692 --> 01:47:38.892
Yes, that's correct. We would be running dual systems, so the

2339
01:47:38.952 --> 01:47:42.832
existing gate cards would work, and with the proximity

2340
01:47:42.912 --> 01:47:46.052
readers, and we would sell

2341
01:47:46.152 --> 01:47:49.972
the access sticker, which would be an enhanced access

2342
01:47:50.052 --> 01:47:53.872
option, to function with the long-range reader technology.

2343
01:47:54.772 --> 01:47:58.752
And that revenue would offset the installation expense of

2344
01:47:58.812 --> 01:47:59.512
the devices.

2345
01:47:59.592 --> 01:47:59.732
Yeah.

2346
01:48:00.052 --> 01:48:02.232
Yeah, and that would be $20 whenever, right? Correct?

2347
01:48:02.272 --> 01:48:02.532
Right.

2348
01:48:02.602 --> 01:48:03.232
In the off? Yeah.

2349
01:48:03.292 --> 01:48:05.272
This is basically on the amenity side.

2350
01:48:05.452 --> 01:48:05.712
Yeah.

2351
01:48:05.972 --> 01:48:07.602
It's not hitting us-

2352
01:48:07.642 --> 01:48:08.092
It's going to be on the-- No

2353
01:48:08.132 --> 01:48:09.942
... as our monthly bill from-

2354
01:48:09.992 --> 01:48:10.562
No, it hasn't been

2355
01:48:10.612 --> 01:48:14.552
... Project Fly. The rest of it was

2356
01:48:14.612 --> 01:48:18.441
just basically approval of continuation of contract with-

2357
01:48:18.532 --> 01:48:21.212
Yeah, it said it would almost pay for itself, they hope it would.

2358
01:48:21.232 --> 01:48:21.452
Correct.

2359
01:48:21.561 --> 01:48:22.272
Which is pretty nice.

2360
01:48:22.431 --> 01:48:22.592
Right.

2361
01:48:22.952 --> 01:48:23.132
Yeah.

2362
01:48:23.612 --> 01:48:26.992
So every vehicle, including golf carts, would need a $20 sticker if you want to be

2363
01:48:27.092 --> 01:48:27.492
quicker.

2364
01:48:28.872 --> 01:48:30.372
And that's a-

2365
01:48:30.532 --> 01:48:31.492
I guess you could.

2366
01:48:32.092 --> 01:48:35.832
You could, or you could continue to use the existing gate card.

2367
01:48:35.872 --> 01:48:36.282
That's true.

2368
01:48:36.332 --> 01:48:39.852
I think the approach that both committees supported was

2369
01:48:39.912 --> 01:48:43.472
that let us install the devices, sell the

2370
01:48:43.592 --> 01:48:47.172
sticker option. There are other access

2371
01:48:47.312 --> 01:48:48.812
options, including a card.

2372
01:48:49.852 --> 01:48:53.612
But the encrypted cards are more expensive than the existing gate card.

2373
01:48:54.172 --> 01:48:57.152
So we would look to phase that in and-

2374
01:48:57.832 --> 01:48:58.381
Oh, got it.

2375
01:48:58.412 --> 01:48:58.612
Yes.

2376
01:48:59.032 --> 01:49:01.032
Yeah. This is kind of like-

2377
01:49:02.112 --> 01:49:02.772
Good compromise

2378
01:49:02.972 --> 01:49:06.912
... fiscal year '26, '27, I think, that we're talking

2379
01:49:06.972 --> 01:49:10.492
about initiating the implementation of this, correct?

2380
01:49:10.552 --> 01:49:11.412
The installing it.

2381
01:49:11.502 --> 01:49:14.332
Yes. The direction was just to include it in the budget development.

2382
01:49:14.672 --> 01:49:14.792
Right.

2383
01:49:14.872 --> 01:49:18.822
So it would be a project that would start after October 1 of 2026.

2384
01:49:18.972 --> 01:49:22.732
And this could then lead to future enhancements that may

2385
01:49:22.792 --> 01:49:24.932
come subsequent years.

2386
01:49:25.112 --> 01:49:28.112
It's a nice idea that pays for itself, almost, hopefully.

2387
01:49:28.412 --> 01:49:28.532
Yeah.

2388
01:49:29.332 --> 01:49:31.332
Well, as long as people are willing to buy stickers.

2389
01:49:31.392 --> 01:49:31.592
Yeah.

2390
01:49:31.712 --> 01:49:33.152
I am, I'm one of them golf cart.

2391
01:49:33.352 --> 01:49:34.712
Get them for your bike.

2392
01:49:35.392 --> 01:49:37.972
Yeah. That's right. Don't laugh. Okay.

2393
01:49:38.212 --> 01:49:41.372
Yeah. That's pretty much it from Project Fly.

2394
01:49:41.572 --> 01:49:43.402
Thank you, Ed. Ms. Gillette?

2395
01:49:43.472 --> 01:49:44.632
One other. Oh, I guess-

2396
01:49:44.732 --> 01:49:45.032
Oh, whoa.

2397
01:49:45.252 --> 01:49:45.552
Yeah.

2398
01:49:46.492 --> 01:49:49.932
I'm long-winded. There was one

2399
01:49:50.972 --> 01:49:54.172
matter that was brought up initially at the meeting from a

2400
01:49:54.692 --> 01:49:55.792
citizen saying that

2401
01:49:57.112 --> 01:50:00.092
the amenities are here for the villagers.

2402
01:50:00.172 --> 01:50:04.080
But his... contention was that we're getting

2403
01:50:04.160 --> 01:50:08.020
older and some of the amenities no longer fit the interests

2404
01:50:08.080 --> 01:50:11.740
of what we're doing or capable of doing, whether it be pickleball or

2405
01:50:13.060 --> 01:50:16.820
golf or whatnot. And his ask was

2406
01:50:16.900 --> 01:50:19.220
that we start thinking about

2407
01:50:20.300 --> 01:50:24.060
what amenities might we have or provide

2408
01:50:24.140 --> 01:50:27.900
to villagers as they've grown older, and have this as a

2409
01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:32.480
think tank item to look future for the next four years, five

2410
01:50:32.540 --> 01:50:36.520
years, or beyond that. And there was a thought of that, and I

2411
01:50:36.560 --> 01:50:36.920
think it

2412
01:50:38.160 --> 01:50:41.640
was got tasked at the end of the meeting

2413
01:50:41.740 --> 01:50:42.260
for

2414
01:50:43.160 --> 01:50:46.580
some, I guess, future discussion to come about as...

2415
01:50:47.040 --> 01:50:48.899
It's almost like a brainstorming.

2416
01:50:49.640 --> 01:50:53.600
What might we think about as amenities to provide to villagers now

2417
01:50:53.640 --> 01:50:57.500
that they're in their 80s and 90s and whatnot, no longer are really

2418
01:50:57.560 --> 01:51:00.540
partaking of those that initially when they came here at

2419
01:51:01.360 --> 01:51:01.820
62.

2420
01:51:02.120 --> 01:51:02.350
Mm-hmm.

2421
01:51:04.740 --> 01:51:06.140
There's a joke there, but I'm going to let it go.

2422
01:51:06.740 --> 01:51:07.680
Okay.

2423
01:51:08.900 --> 01:51:10.500
Don't need to know about it.

2424
01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:10.900
Yeah.

2425
01:51:12.300 --> 01:51:13.340
Okay. That's it.

2426
01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:13.650
No.

2427
01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:15.020
Oh, and one other thing.

2428
01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:17.940
What the hey.

2429
01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:22.320
What the honorable Daryl Klincko brought up earlier about-

2430
01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:23.000
The honorable

2431
01:51:23.019 --> 01:51:23.380
... we are

2432
01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:27.640
suspending deed compliance through,

2433
01:51:29.220 --> 01:51:30.960
I don't know, is it June 1st? July 1st?

2434
01:51:31.040 --> 01:51:33.640
We're doing something as a result.

2435
01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:36.720
We're not dealing with the lawn issue and things of that nature.

2436
01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:37.270
Because of the-

2437
01:51:38.220 --> 01:51:41.930
Because of the irrigation stuff. But do the palm trees...

2438
01:51:42.040 --> 01:51:45.710
Because he's right. There's a lot of dead ones going to have to come

2439
01:51:45.740 --> 01:51:49.420
down, and the landscape is going to look different a year from now.

2440
01:51:49.500 --> 01:51:49.700
But

2441
01:51:50.500 --> 01:51:54.360
are the dead trees still, are they mitigated

2442
01:51:54.420 --> 01:51:56.120
during this process, or?

2443
01:51:56.220 --> 01:52:00.160
So any deed restrictions that require the use of water have been suspended through

2444
01:52:00.220 --> 01:52:03.960
this mandate. So, palm trees, which are horticulturally

2445
01:52:03.980 --> 01:52:07.300
classified as a grass, yes, we've suspended if it is

2446
01:52:07.460 --> 01:52:11.120
lopsided and dead until July 1st, and then we would go for neat and clean

2447
01:52:11.379 --> 01:52:15.100
after that. But we're going to have to work out a phased game plan for all of these

2448
01:52:15.140 --> 01:52:17.380
properties that are going to need work done.

2449
01:52:18.360 --> 01:52:22.040
Luckily, we've had some great rain, so hopefully lawns will return and we won't

2450
01:52:22.080 --> 01:52:24.820
worry about it, and we're just worrying about the underground water system

2451
01:52:24.900 --> 01:52:25.859
refilling itself.

2452
01:52:26.200 --> 01:52:28.440
Yeah. It's not going to help the dead trees. That's the only thing.

2453
01:52:28.449 --> 01:52:31.420
No. The dead trees will- ... take their time with that.

2454
01:52:31.460 --> 01:52:31.770
Yeah, I guess we got to-

2455
01:52:31.780 --> 01:52:35.700
Part of the problem with the dead trees is that it's been in the news and

2456
01:52:35.740 --> 01:52:39.500
on the TV and everybody who asks, if they're gardeners, "If

2457
01:52:39.540 --> 01:52:40.560
there's any green-

2458
01:52:41.040 --> 01:52:41.320
Leave it

2459
01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:42.470
... leave it alone-

2460
01:52:42.470 --> 01:52:43.040
Leave it. Leave it alone

2461
01:52:43.080 --> 01:52:44.940
... for an extended period of time."

2462
01:52:45.280 --> 01:52:46.720
Is that something that we're going to have to-

2463
01:52:46.780 --> 01:52:46.790
Sure

2464
01:52:46.790 --> 01:52:50.740
... weigh in on as a district as to what to do or how to phase

2465
01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:54.060
in or how to mitigate this to

2466
01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:58.140
spread this out over time once July 1st passes?

2467
01:53:03.160 --> 01:53:04.150
So it is a-

2468
01:53:04.200 --> 01:53:05.020
We both have answers.

2469
01:53:05.060 --> 01:53:05.500
Yeah.

2470
01:53:05.510 --> 01:53:05.860
Yeah. Go ahead.

2471
01:53:07.160 --> 01:53:10.940
It is a complaint-driven system, so unless complaints are received,

2472
01:53:12.500 --> 01:53:16.460
the hope is that we're going to start to receive regular rain

2473
01:53:16.640 --> 01:53:19.120
here, hopefully in the coming weeks-

2474
01:53:19.380 --> 01:53:19.520
Yeah

2475
01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:22.820
... to offset the current drought conditions,

2476
01:53:23.640 --> 01:53:26.240
but understanding that there are more than likely...

2477
01:53:26.460 --> 01:53:30.120
It's going to take some time for even district landscaping and

2478
01:53:30.500 --> 01:53:32.320
residential landscaping to recover.

2479
01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:36.060
So I'll let Matt provide additional input on-

2480
01:53:36.480 --> 01:53:37.900
So you could extend that, right, Matt?

2481
01:53:38.020 --> 01:53:38.180
So-

2482
01:53:38.300 --> 01:53:40.220
July 1st will be extended most likely.

2483
01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:43.220
We cannot extend. That would be board direction as to-

2484
01:53:43.250 --> 01:53:43.250
Oh

2485
01:53:43.250 --> 01:53:47.050
... when they want to begin enforcing those certain suspended deed restrictions.

2486
01:53:47.150 --> 01:53:50.620
So what we'll do, kind of like we did before where we initiated what the game plan

2487
01:53:50.660 --> 01:53:54.060
is going to be, and we produced it to the board, we would create a game plan

2488
01:53:54.180 --> 01:53:58.150
specific and see if the board has appetite for it, receive the feedback, and

2489
01:53:58.160 --> 01:54:00.220
then do what the board has asked us to do.

2490
01:54:00.320 --> 01:54:00.600
Okay.

2491
01:54:00.700 --> 01:54:00.860
Beautiful.

2492
01:54:01.100 --> 01:54:03.000
All right. Absolutely. I have nothing more to say.

2493
01:54:03.100 --> 01:54:03.940
Yeah, I think we're done with you.

2494
01:54:05.800 --> 01:54:08.600
Why did you even look at him?

2495
01:54:09.040 --> 01:54:09.960
Steve, you have anything?

2496
01:54:11.060 --> 01:54:12.300
I think Dan pretty well covered it.

2497
01:54:12.540 --> 01:54:13.240
All right. Jude-Anne?

2498
01:54:13.740 --> 01:54:15.519
I'm good. I just cut it all down.

2499
01:54:16.620 --> 01:54:16.900
Daryl?

2500
01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:17.760
I solved the problem.

2501
01:54:17.810 --> 01:54:19.680
Pass. Okay. Do I get a motion?

2502
01:54:19.980 --> 01:54:21.239
Motion to adjourn.

2503
01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:22.140
Second.

2504
01:54:22.460 --> 01:54:23.220
All in favor?

2505
01:54:23.340 --> 01:54:23.560
Aye.

2506
01:54:23.590 --> 01:54:23.590
Aye.

2507
01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:25.040
Any opposed? Okay.

2508
01:54:26.100 --> 01:54:26.580
Thank you.