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Development District eight.

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I see we have three supervisors present.

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Supervisor Anderson. Yes. And, uh, supervisor?

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Is it LAIs? I think LAIs. I, I don't know.

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LAIs and myself. Larry McMurray. Two sson.

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Um, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, followed

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by a brief moment of silence for those past

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and present who've honorably served our

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community and nation.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, invisible with liberty

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and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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One moment, Mr. He probably already have.

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Oh, okay. Okay. Welcome to meeting attendees.

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I don't think we're gonna have any audience comments,

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but this is the time.

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Uh, we have a consent agenda. A motion to approve.

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There's a motion to approve all the recommended actions.

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It includes three items.

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Uh, I approve to approve the consent agenda.

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Okay. All three items. No discussion, Wayne. Any discussion?

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No discussion, Mr. Chairman. Alright. We have a motion.

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Uh, do we have a second? I can't do a second. I second.

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I can't do a motion or a second, Mr. Chair.

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Not enough power. I'll second. All, all in favor? Aye.

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Motion's carried. We're at the public hearing portion

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of the, uh, agenda.

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The District eight fiscal year 20 25, 26.

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Final budget will be presented

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by budget director Brandi Cook.

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Good afternoon, Brandy Cook, budget Director.

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I'm here today to request adoption

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of resolution 2025 dash zero nine

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to prove your fiscal year 20 25, 26 final budget.

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The board of supervisors had their budget workshop on May,

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May 16th, at which point you reviewed the line item,

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detailed budget, the five year capital improvement plan,

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the maintenance assessment schedule, and the working capital

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and reserve balances.

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After much discussion, the board of supervisors

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provided direction to staff to prepare a balanced budget

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for the June meeting with no change

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to the maintenance assessment rates.

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Staff continued to work on the attached budget over the past

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several months, and the fiscal year 20 25, 26.

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Final operating budget is

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$3,884,073, which is an increase

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of $167,944 from the current year amended

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budget, which is due mostly

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to the CCO pool rental rate increase.

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The final budget is a decrease

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of $3,176 from the proposed budget in June

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due to final cost allocation decreased

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for the deed compliance services.

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Also, during your May budget workshop,

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you did review the five year capital improvement plan

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for fiscal year's 20 25, 26 through 20 29 30.

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And adoption of the final budget would include adoption

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of this capital improvement plan as well.

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So at this time, staff would recommend adoption

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of resolution 20 25 0 9, approving your fiscal year 25, 26,

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final budget in the amount

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of general fund $3,884,073,

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your phase one debt service fund in the amount

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of $2,127,449.

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Your phase two debt service fund in the amount

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of $1,868,991

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and your phase three debt service fund in the amount

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of $1,518,525.

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And I'm here if there's any questions.

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Otherwise, I would request that you open the public hearing.

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We'll now open the public hearing

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for the district eight fiscal year 20, 25, 26,

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final budget and maintenance assessment rates.

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Uh, any comments from the

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public hearing?

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No public comments. We'll now close the public hearing.

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Um, any discussion from the board?

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If none, uh, let's entertain a motion

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And if the motion maker could read in the motion as

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provided on number seven, including all the figures, um,

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allocated to each one of the funds.

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Yeah. Do you have that data so that you can do that? No.

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You gave it

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Number seven.

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I'll move to adopt resolution 20 25 0 9

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to approve fiscal year 20 25, 20, uh, six.

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Final budget in the amount of the general fund.

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200, uh, 2018 phase one debt service fund,

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2020 phase two debt service fund, 2020

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phase three debt service fund of,

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I'm sorry, I forget the amount.

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2020 phase one of 2,127,449.

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Phase two 1,868,991

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and phase three 1,518,525.

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Okay. And did he say the, uh, general fund amount?

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Yes. And the, the general fund amount,

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the 3,884,073.

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Right. Uh, do we have a second?

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I'll go ahead and second. Sure. We have a second all in.

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Uh, well, any discussion before we vote?

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A lot of money? Yeah. Well, I'd like to apply for a loan.

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Alright. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Motion's carried. Thank

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You.

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All right. We can move, I think, to new business. Correct.

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Mr. Chairman, my name is Sean Boyle.

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I'm with the finance department

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and I'm here to present agenda item four A.

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With that said, I'll proceed Per Florida statute

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1 97 dash 36 32 dash five A.

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A local government shall certify a non valor assessment role

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by September 15th of each year, whereas the board has,

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has adopted budget resolution 25 dash oh nine

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for fiscal year 26, providing for maintenance,

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special assessment and benefit special assessments.

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The board shall certify the non-ad roles.

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So with that said, you have just passed, uh,

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the rate that will be applied.

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This is the number

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of parcels which has not changed from last year, that, that,

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that rate will be assessed to.

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Um, at the conclusion of the discussion, uh,

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staff is seeking a motion to adopt resolution 25 dash 10,

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certifying a non-ad warm assessment rules

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for fiscal year 26.

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So I'm here for any questions that you may have.

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Okay. We're gonna need a motion a second

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and a vote for that, I think.

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Yeah, correct. Uh, it's, it's kind of coded

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if, if you remember the list from your homework.

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It was a long list identified all the individuals in

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our district Yeah.

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That have to pay the bill.

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But it is, it doesn't, we don't list names.

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It's coded that they can translate it. Right? Yeah.

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All right. Do we have a motion to adopt the resolution?

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I'll make a motion to adopt the resolution number 2025 dash

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10 certified non avalor assessment role.

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And a second,

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I will go ahead and second Yes.

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Okay. And a second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Motions carried. Thank you. Thank you, Sean.

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Then there's the topic of goals

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and objectives for the new fiscal fiscal year.

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Yes. Good afternoon. Board members.

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Um, what is presented to you is the adoption of your goals

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and objectives for fiscal year 25 26.

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This is in accordance with the, uh, statute change

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to chapter 180 9 that occurred

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and went into effect for this current fiscal year.

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So right now, the goals and objectives

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that you have in place will be reported on in December

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of 2025.

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The ones that we're presenting for you

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to adopt today are identical in context, um,

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but to be in effect for your upcoming fiscal year

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and reported on in December, 2026.

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The statute is very vague in the context

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and structure of the goals other than

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they need to be adopted.

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Um, we wanted to ensure that they are achievable so

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that you can report successfully on them.

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Um, we did look around at other special districts throughout

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the state of Florida, and honestly,

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these are probably more comprehensive than

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the majority of them that we found.

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I would bet. Yeah.

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Well, we, I mean, it's your opportunity to kind

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of let people know what it is you, what it is you do.

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Yes. Which is a lot in a year.

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Um, it's not too vague that you can't tell us.

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Oh, they, they, they have 'em written out

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and, uh, they then report out in December.

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Yes, they're included in your agenda. Package.

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The goals and objectives.

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Um, there are four, five categories.

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Um, financial management

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and budget oversight, long-term planning

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and resource allocation, vendor

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and contract management, board governance

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and accountability, and community engagement

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and communication objective.

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And those are all included as backup in your agenda package?

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Yeah. On several occasions we've had the district manager

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come in and report, you know, these have been my goals

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and objectives and these are my accomplishments,

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including staff, you know, for the year.

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And it's always pretty impressive now.

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Kay. Do, do we need to take any action on that? Yes.

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You will need a motion to adopt these as presented.

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Okay. Need a motion to adopt the goals

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and objectives for the fiscal year.

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I'm going to adopt the goal of the adoption of goals

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and objectives for fiscal year 2025.

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2026. And a second.

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I second. You don't want a second? I can't. Oh, you cannot.

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I cannot. Then I can, yes, and I do. Alright. All in favor?

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Aye. Aye. Aye. Motion's carried.

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This is why three's the minimum.

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We gotta have one to make the motion one

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to second and, uh, then vote.

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Why are you excluded, Mr. Chairman? A as

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The chair? Yeah.

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Roberts r of order. Um, a chair.

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You can't make a motion unless they pass to someone else,

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but there's no one to pass it to.

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Yeah. When you think the chair's a good job,

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that one will slow you right down.

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I'll, I'll help you out. Yeah. Yeah. I need your help. Okay,

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Mr. Chair, the next

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item is consideration

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to adopt resolution 2025 dash 11 establishing the

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board meeting cancellation policy.

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So currently your general procedural rules state

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that your board meeting cancellation policy will be adopted,

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uh, via resolution.

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We did it in that manner so that if you ever wanted

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to adjust it, you didn't need to go

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through the full rulemaking process

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with a public hearing to make the change.

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Um, currently you have an effect that

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no board meetings will be canceled due to lack

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of actionable items.

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Um, so what we are checking with you today is that,

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do you, do you want to keep that in effect

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or do you want to look at the other two options that some

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of the boards have elected to put in place?

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Um, one option is that, um, staff would contact the chair

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to make a determination on whether

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or not to proceed with a, um, a meeting.

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And then the other option is

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that staff would contact the chair

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and inquire with each supervisor, um, not

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to pull them on whether

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or not they think that a meeting should be held,

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but to identify if there were any pending issues that

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we may not have been aware of that we we could share

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that would make a, a

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essentially result in the meeting being held.

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Um, so this is more of a check-in, which would require, um,

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a motion from the board on which option to proceed with.

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Alright. I, I'm gonna make sure I understand.

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The, uh, no actionable items has fed the

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basis to this point, right?

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And, and, and, correct.

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Typically we say that to the chairman and,

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and the chairman says, great, no meeting.

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Well, right now it states

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that we will not even contact you.

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We won't contact the chair

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because the policy right now is

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that no board meetings will be canceled due

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to lack of actionable items. Okay.

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That the meeting would be held. So we just get told,

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we just get told there are no actionable

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items you're not gonna meet.

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No. The opposite you would meet regardless.

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Well, when the chair hears no actionable items,

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he should say, unless somebody's got some reason

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to meet, we're not gonna meet.

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Right.

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That's what we're asking today, is that we

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staff defers to the board on which

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option you want to go with.

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It's just essentially setting the rule book for us

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that in the event there's no items, it's two weeks,

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the meeting's two weeks out,

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there's no items that need action.

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Do you want to still hold the meeting or not?

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Right now it's that we wouldn't even contact you

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because your policy is that, um,

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no board meetings will be canceled.

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The other two options are that we could contact the chair

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to ultimately make the determination

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that the board would provide the chair the authority on

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whether to hold to cancel the meeting or not.

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And then the first option would be under that same context

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that the chair would ultimately make the decision,

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but staff would also inquire with each supervisor

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to determine if they had items they wanted on the agenda.

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Yeah. Discussion. Yeah. Uh, Mr.

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Chairman, that would give us a, a heads up

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and maybe a convenience,

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but if there are people in the audience that comes

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and want to present something to the board,

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the meeting should be going on

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to give the homeowners a chance to address their concerns.

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So staff would not know about that. Right. If there was a

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That's correct. We

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Public group.

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Right. Unless one of the board members was aware

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and had heard that a group was coming.

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Um, otherwise we have

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to post meeting cancellations in the same manner

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that we notice board meetings.

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There's no reason to meet, we shouldn't meet.

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Well, there may be a reason to meet the homeowners.

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Now we Right. We don't know that for sure.

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But we're paid to be here and we should be here.

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Most of our days are kind of like this.

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Our meetings are kind

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of like this 'cause we're doing so well.

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I understand. But, uh, there's always that outside chance

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and, and things that we're being paid,

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we should do our duty.

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That's my feeling. Yeah.

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Ray, you have that, the current policy, right?

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Yes. Yes. And I will state

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that supervisors are paid only based on meetings that occur.

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There's no automatic pay.

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The pay is based on meeting, meeting attendance.

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It's canceled, correct? Yeah.

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Typically there are, well, December right.

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Is often a meeting that we don't hold because of travel.

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Uh, December, historically is a very slow month in

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that your, you know, your fiscal,

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your budget has just gone into effect.

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Yeah. There's just not normally a lot

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of actionable items in December.

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And there are a couple other months,

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but we, we don't look

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to frequently cancel meetings. That's

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My experience with spending meet like 10 out of the 12,

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there'll be two months where we just don't have any,

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anything, any actionable item on the agenda.

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Not aware of it.

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So the choice is leave it the same. Right.

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The other one we have, you have to contact all of us.

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Correct. And we'd have to agree.

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The third one is that you just contact the chair. Correct.

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And the chair says cancel

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It. Yes.

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So the, I we have to discuss it that come up

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with one of those alternatives.

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Yeah. Typically, if somebody has something on their mind,

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one of us is gonna know

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and would probably contact staff to say,

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Hey, there's gonna be a group that's gonna want

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to talk about a particular topic.

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They'd be aware of it. So then you're saying they need

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to contact all of us before you could cancel it.

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So if I had, I knew a group was coming,

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I could say, you need to make contact.

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Correct. That's the type of situation where,

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why we would reach out to the supervisors individually,

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that if you were aware that, hey,

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my neighborhood group said they have an issue,

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and there, there might be approximately

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40 people in attendance.

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That would most likely be an item that would impact

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the meeting being held.

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Yeah.

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Great. What do you want to do?

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Well, there's a reason that you made the policy last year.

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Was it Ms. Brittany? Was it last year? They voted on,

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Uh, 2018.

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Okay. Well, in 2018, there was a reason why you guys voted

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to continue on every month.

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That reason still valid.

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So how is it we decide when there's no actionable items,

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you know, that we're not gonna be,

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So from staff's perspective,

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actionable items are agreements, policies, right.

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Budget adoption, business item, um, contract renewals.

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Yeah. And those are all based on a sequence of events

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that occur and then leading up to that meeting.

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But if we, I'm gonna say in August,

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we don't have any renewals that are coming up.

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They're still being worked on.

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They'll be ready for the October meeting

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and we don't have any items on the agenda.

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That's when we would reach out.

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I don't know. It's, I it just seemed to me that

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what they do is call the chair, whoever the chair is, say,

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Hey, we don't have any actionable items.

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Chair says, fine. No reason to meet. Well, yeah.

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From the board's perspective,

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but there could be an actionable item

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out here in the audience.

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Could be. I I I, I don't want to belabor this.

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I've, I think I've already made my position. I'm gonna vote.

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We just continue on the way we're doing. Works out good.

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Gives everybody an opportunity.

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Even if it's a theoretical opportunity.

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Be a quick meeting. We all show up.

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It would be a quick meeting Mr. Chairman. Yeah.

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That would not be objectionable to this board.

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Well, it costs, costs. Staff's gotta come in.

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They gotta pay us and we don't do anything.

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Well, we don't know that for certain.

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There might be a percentage wise that leaning your way,

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but we don't know for certain.

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I'm leaning toward wing anything to do.

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We stay home. Yeah, we

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Can do that.

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Mr. Chairman, the other item that was just brought up,

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you do have your, your chair

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and, um, supervisor Johnson

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that are not here at this meeting.

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Would you like to wait until there's a four

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full board to discuss this? I,

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I was just gonna mention that. Okay. I

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think it's a table. Just so we have all Okay.

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Because you need a quorum. Don't, is it three?

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We have a three. Yeah. Is it three?

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It is. It just doesn't sound like you each agree on a,

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a particular method.

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And if we have a motion without a

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second, it's just gonna fail.

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I don't know that you have enough people here

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to actually Right ash through it.

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We'll, we'll, let's defer we'll bring it up

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when we got the board

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Right. So we'll move this

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to your October meeting.

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Yeah. Yeah. I, I just, I don't want to come.

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You wanna wait for allies?

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Alright. Little bit further. Okay.

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Uh, do we need to vote on the department or what? No,

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We'll just put it on, we'll just move

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It. Alright.

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Okay. Old business.

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Um, yes. The old business items are complete

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with the exception of the consideration of enforcement

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of age restrict age related deed restrictions with, um,

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so staff is continuing to work with legal counsel

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and we, we expect that that will come either at your October

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or November board meeting

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for additional information on that.

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Okay. And those, that concludes old business.

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Alright. Informational items,

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financial statements, monthly.

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I, If you have any questions on those,

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we're happy to address them.

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There's the financial statements, your DPM monthly reports

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and your public hearing case updates.

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No word on public hearing updates.

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Okay. District manager reports.

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What would be the update in public hearing?

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They're on the agenda.

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They're included on the agenda.

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Um, just if there's any outstanding fines,

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if liens have been filed

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and any cases that have an open, um, order of enforcement.

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Okay.

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Alright. Any no questions.

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We'll go to district manager reports.

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The first item is just a reminder that, uh,

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beginning in October, you do have your adjusted

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board meeting schedule.

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Um, so your meetings will be held on the Tuesday

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before the second Friday at 10:00 AM

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And the clerk's office is working diligently to get all

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of the calendar invites out for all of the meetings so

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that you will automatically have them on your calendar

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and know where to be and when.

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Um, I would just make note that the only meeting

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that has been adjusted is November.

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Um, originally your meeting date fell on the Veteran's Day

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holiday, which we were closed during.

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Um, so that meeting was adjusted to November 18th.

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Okay. Uh, the next item is a save the date

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for a night with DPM District Property Management.

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That will be held on Wednesday,

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September 17th at the EL Recreation Center, uh, from five

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to 6:30 PM That's a good opportunity to interact

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with the divisions within DPM

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and all the different functions that they oversee

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to support the maintenance in the community.

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Uh, the next item is National Night Out.

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That will be held October 7th from five

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to 7:00 PM at Eisenhower Recreation Center.

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That's being hosted by Community Watch.

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Um, all of the local law enforcement agencies will be in

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attendance as well as the, uh,

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fire departments from the Tri-County area.

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Um, so we would certainly encourage the public

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to come out and join us for that.

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The last item is, uh, the save the date for government day.

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It will be held, held on Saturday,

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November 1st from 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM.

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Um, there is a signup sheet circulating. Okay.

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Um, so we would request

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that supervisors consider taking a 30 minute time slot, um,

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to come and represent District eight

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and the opportunity to interact with all of your residents.

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Um, and then I would just like to extend a thank you to,

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um, the budget team.

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They've worked diligently on putting all

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of the budget together for this fiscal year.

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Typically, you're the last board meeting to occur

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to adopt the final budget.

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But due to, uh, the statutory deadline, you were moved up.

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So you're, you're one of the first, um, that they,

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they've put in a lot of time

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and effort, um, to get all of that information

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and everything finalized.

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Um, and then the last item would be for Ms. Boyd

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to present the new, um, repainting paint palette portfolio.

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Good Afternoon board. Shannon Boyd.

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Community Standards, I'm not sure if you're familiar

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with the current paint pallets we have been utilizing over

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the past 10 years, but they have been on boards

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and there are swats of the different paint samples.

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What we now have is we now have a paint pallet booklet,

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so it has all those colors

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and a nice booklet form so residents can come to any one

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of our offices, sit down

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and go through the book and look at the colors.

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Nice. Also, under each color, it, uh, tells you

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what district that color is allowed in.

517
00:27:28.755 --> 00:27:30.055
So if it's a color

518
00:27:30.055 --> 00:27:31.935
that's not allowed in a particular district,

519
00:27:31.935 --> 00:27:33.615
and that district will not be listed there.

520
00:27:34.035 --> 00:27:35.695
So this will be located at our Brownwood,

521
00:27:35.695 --> 00:27:37.015
our Lake Sumter Landing Office,

522
00:27:37.195 --> 00:27:40.895
and also at Lacie, where we have a de compliance officer.

523
00:27:41.755 --> 00:27:44.095
Um, also this is available on our website.

524
00:27:44.095 --> 00:27:46.215
If you go on the community standards webpage

525
00:27:46.475 --> 00:27:49.055
and you scroll to the bottom to where it says paint palette,

526
00:27:49.435 --> 00:27:51.695
um, you can view this online on our website.

527
00:27:51.915 --> 00:27:54.175
So we just wanted to show you our new Paint Pal look like.

528
00:27:55.315 --> 00:27:56.315
Yes, sir.

529
00:27:57.155 --> 00:27:59.615
How many, uh, color palettes do you have

530
00:27:59.615 --> 00:28:00.975
available in total?

531
00:28:02.205 --> 00:28:03.935
There's six color palettes in total.

532
00:28:04.805 --> 00:28:06.815
That book contains only six colors.

533
00:28:06.815 --> 00:28:09.415
Mm-hmm. Correct. That book is thick.

534
00:28:11.045 --> 00:28:12.735
There's quite a few colors on each palette.

535
00:28:13.445 --> 00:28:17.615
There's lots of colors. Six. What? There's six books?

536
00:28:17.835 --> 00:28:19.135
No, this is, it's all in one. Oh.

537
00:28:20.195 --> 00:28:21.455
We have multiple copies of it,

538
00:28:21.455 --> 00:28:24.375
but it includes each book includes all of the colors.

539
00:28:25.815 --> 00:28:28.615
I see that. Yeah, sure. I can't believe that.

540
00:28:30.875 --> 00:28:33.015
It is interesting that we can do it with that book

541
00:28:33.155 --> 00:28:35.895
and not without the, uh, your, you know,

542
00:28:35.895 --> 00:28:37.575
the way you look at painting in a paint store,

543
00:28:37.595 --> 00:28:39.375
you know the little swatches mm-hmm.

544
00:28:43.075 --> 00:28:43.295
Oh,

545
00:28:49.275 --> 00:28:53.495
number one, right?

546
00:28:53.835 --> 00:28:57.775
Yes. What am I wondering if, if that's really adequate?

547
00:29:00.035 --> 00:29:02.215
If, can you really tell the shades Yeah.

548
00:29:02.925 --> 00:29:05.655
With that when you don't have the scotches

549
00:29:05.655 --> 00:29:06.815
like you do in a paint store?

550
00:29:06.885 --> 00:29:09.615
Well, most of the, the repainting is done based

551
00:29:09.615 --> 00:29:10.695
on hue range

552
00:29:12.635 --> 00:29:13.295
Within That. That

553
00:29:13.785 --> 00:29:14.785
About 14. Yeah.

554
00:29:14.785 --> 00:29:16.015
It's not a pallet per pager.

555
00:29:17.165 --> 00:29:19.375
Okay. Okay.

556
00:29:19.715 --> 00:29:21.615
And, and, uh, how many

557
00:29:21.615 --> 00:29:25.935
of these are available in District eight? Um, uh,

558
00:29:25.935 --> 00:29:28.055
Most of them are, except when it comes to some

559
00:29:28.055 --> 00:29:30.095
of a dark color, they have it to where

560
00:29:30.095 --> 00:29:33.055
that can be a spring call only and not a bank

561
00:29:33.055 --> 00:29:34.055
Color. Oh, I see. The

562
00:29:34.055 --> 00:29:35.095
contract. Mm-hmm.

563
00:29:45.695 --> 00:29:48.745
Okay. I don't plan with any time soon. I was just curious.

564
00:29:50.475 --> 00:29:52.065
Ready? You want to see this? No, ma'am.

565
00:29:52.865 --> 00:29:54.745
I seen it. Thank you.

566
00:29:55.715 --> 00:29:58.905
Thank you. And that concludes district management report.

567
00:29:59.805 --> 00:30:02.265
Do we, when folks come in to look at that, Shannon,

568
00:30:02.405 --> 00:30:04.905
do we remind them about painting doors

569
00:30:05.325 --> 00:30:07.825
and avoiding, what were the three

570
00:30:07.875 --> 00:30:09.385
categories? Something that was

571
00:30:09.745 --> 00:30:11.025
Bright electric or neon colors?

572
00:30:11.375 --> 00:30:15.025
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah.

573
00:30:18.085 --> 00:30:19.345
All right. District counsel,

574
00:30:19.815 --> 00:30:20.815
Just one report. We

575
00:30:20.815 --> 00:30:21.905
have another ethics

576
00:30:21.905 --> 00:30:23.865
and public records training date scheduled.

577
00:30:23.935 --> 00:30:25.945
October 27th at one 30.

578
00:30:26.045 --> 00:30:27.425
And that will be at the district office.

579
00:30:28.125 --> 00:30:29.665
You still need hours you can attend.

580
00:30:29.815 --> 00:30:30.865
Sign up through the clerk's

581
00:30:30.865 --> 00:30:31.865
Office. Alright.

582
00:30:31.865 --> 00:30:36.505
Counsel, will you be conducting that? Yes. Yeah.

583
00:30:39.805 --> 00:30:44.705
All right. Supervisor comments, Ray. Okay.

584
00:30:44.905 --> 00:30:47.545
I probably attended the shortest PWAC meeting

585
00:30:47.845 --> 00:30:48.905
in history the other day.

586
00:30:49.525 --> 00:30:54.035
Um, um, the, like us,

587
00:30:54.065 --> 00:30:58.155
they approved the final budget for 20 25, 25, 26.

588
00:30:58.415 --> 00:31:02.115
Uh, good news. There's no change from the allocations

589
00:31:02.115 --> 00:31:04.715
to the districts that that state the same.

590
00:31:04.815 --> 00:31:06.075
So it doesn't belong.

591
00:31:06.995 --> 00:31:09.355
Probably the longest discussion had to do

592
00:31:09.355 --> 00:31:10.755
with aquatic weed control.

593
00:31:11.105 --> 00:31:14.435
Yeah. Um, the,

594
00:31:15.895 --> 00:31:20.225
the current vendor is not going to be up again.

595
00:31:20.725 --> 00:31:24.185
Uh, and the price was because it went up 75%.

596
00:31:24.245 --> 00:31:27.785
The his cost, I was asked about 75%.

597
00:31:27.805 --> 00:31:30.545
So they're not gonna renew with the current vendor. Okay.

598
00:31:30.615 --> 00:31:31.615
Correct.

599
00:31:32.415 --> 00:31:35.755
The project was solicited into three different,

600
00:31:35.775 --> 00:31:40.195
it was broken up into three different zones, um, for north

601
00:31:40.195 --> 00:31:41.275
of 4 66.

602
00:31:41.375 --> 00:31:43.275
And then the, the project wide area.

603
00:31:43.455 --> 00:31:47.555
And then, um, the southern portion south of State Road 44.

604
00:31:47.815 --> 00:31:50.355
So our, our area. Mm-hmm.

605
00:31:50.955 --> 00:31:53.355
PWAC, they're not gonna renew the contract

606
00:31:53.355 --> 00:31:56.585
with the current vendor 'cause of the pricing freeze.

607
00:31:57.295 --> 00:31:59.305
They're going to go back to the vendor

608
00:31:59.655 --> 00:32:00.945
that we had two years ago.

609
00:32:01.265 --> 00:32:03.375
Solitude. Um,

610
00:32:04.155 --> 00:32:05.815
and the decision, you know, they went

611
00:32:05.815 --> 00:32:08.455
through this whole thing, and the issue with

612
00:32:09.055 --> 00:32:11.855
Brittany just brought up, village has grown so much

613
00:32:12.245 --> 00:32:14.895
that it was almost impossible for a single vendor to deal

614
00:32:14.925 --> 00:32:18.175
with all the different ponds and everything.

615
00:32:18.435 --> 00:32:21.055
Uh, there's like 1500, something like that,

616
00:32:21.085 --> 00:32:24.295
1500 different ponds as part of the villages.

617
00:32:24.295 --> 00:32:26.055
So one single vendor was having a difficult

618
00:32:26.055 --> 00:32:27.135
time keeping up all.

619
00:32:27.395 --> 00:32:28.415
So as Brittany said,

620
00:32:28.415 --> 00:32:30.655
they've broken it up into three different areas.

621
00:32:31.755 --> 00:32:36.615
And PWAC, which is the area we live in, is going to be, uh,

622
00:32:36.645 --> 00:32:37.935
handled by solitude.

623
00:32:38.205 --> 00:32:41.885
They have a, a rep, a very positive reputation nationally.

624
00:32:42.465 --> 00:32:44.085
Um, so, um,

625
00:32:44.305 --> 00:32:46.645
and the cost was maintained, you know, it went up a bit,

626
00:32:46.665 --> 00:32:49.365
but not the 75% the other vendor was going to do.

627
00:32:49.985 --> 00:32:52.645
So, uh, they moved forward on that one.

628
00:32:53.945 --> 00:32:58.325
Um, there was a discussion by a resident, uh,

629
00:32:59.385 --> 00:33:01.765
the, and actually, it, it was probably one

630
00:33:01.765 --> 00:33:05.085
of the longest part of the whole meeting, um, about putting

631
00:33:05.895 --> 00:33:08.525
locks gates on the pickleball courts.

632
00:33:09.705 --> 00:33:12.525
So right now, pickleball court door can go inward

633
00:33:12.625 --> 00:33:14.605
or you can open it outward or, and,

634
00:33:15.105 --> 00:33:18.285
and it was his contention that it was dangerous

635
00:33:18.285 --> 00:33:21.565
to open 'em inward because, you know, you,

636
00:33:21.625 --> 00:33:23.565
you could interfere with the play in the court

637
00:33:23.565 --> 00:33:25.245
and somebody could get hurt and damage and all that.

638
00:33:25.345 --> 00:33:27.525
So he even had a, a solution.

639
00:33:27.985 --> 00:33:29.285
He brought in pictures of how

640
00:33:29.285 --> 00:33:30.485
to fix it and all that kind of stuff.

641
00:33:30.905 --> 00:33:35.765
So I think probably wreck, we'll take a look at it.

642
00:33:36.585 --> 00:33:39.405
You know, what he was talking about, uh, or DPM.

643
00:33:39.405 --> 00:33:42.045
We'll take a look at it and, and get back.

644
00:33:42.305 --> 00:33:44.725
And he, he, he had it down to like $6

645
00:33:44.745 --> 00:33:46.325
and 50 cents to fix one of 'em.

646
00:33:46.465 --> 00:33:48.365
How much? $6 and 50 cents.

647
00:33:49.145 --> 00:33:50.965
But that was without the labor doing it,

648
00:33:50.965 --> 00:33:54.005
that was the three parts you needed and that, so,

649
00:33:55.065 --> 00:33:56.325
and that's where that one ended.

650
00:33:56.705 --> 00:34:00.365
Um, I think another thing that's been an issue

651
00:34:00.365 --> 00:34:02.645
and all, we all know it about people using the

652
00:34:02.655 --> 00:34:03.765
pools and all that.

653
00:34:03.865 --> 00:34:07.025
So new signage is going to go up. Uh, Mr.

654
00:34:07.305 --> 00:34:08.785
Rohan was there, and he showed us the,

655
00:34:08.885 --> 00:34:10.185
the new signs will go up

656
00:34:10.725 --> 00:34:12.625
and identifies what kind of pool it is.

657
00:34:13.565 --> 00:34:16.545
You'll say this is an adult pool that residents

658
00:34:16.545 --> 00:34:18.585
and guest residents must be 30 years of age

659
00:34:18.605 --> 00:34:22.945
and show their past or resident ID to use the pool.

660
00:34:23.445 --> 00:34:27.025
If it's a sports pool, it'll identify there's a sports pool

661
00:34:27.025 --> 00:34:28.945
and who can use that, or if a family pool.

662
00:34:29.885 --> 00:34:32.065
And so the signs will be going up over the next few

663
00:34:32.065 --> 00:34:33.265
weeks on each of the gates.

664
00:34:33.525 --> 00:34:36.665
And that totally solve the problems. Probably not totally.

665
00:34:36.805 --> 00:34:40.945
But at least it, it sets it up so people are looking at it

666
00:34:41.005 --> 00:34:42.545
and, uh, yeah, I like it.

667
00:34:42.695 --> 00:34:44.585
Yeah. No, and they were very professionally done.

668
00:34:44.585 --> 00:34:46.305
They really a nice looking sign. Yeah.

669
00:34:47.285 --> 00:34:51.465
Um, that was pretty much the extent of that meeting.

670
00:34:51.965 --> 00:34:54.945
The, uh, like I said, it, it, it lasted about 41 minutes.

671
00:34:55.905 --> 00:34:58.345
I started at eight 30 and I was home at 8, 9 30,

672
00:34:58.445 --> 00:35:01.345
so, okay.

673
00:35:02.375 --> 00:35:03.945
Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, sir.

674
00:35:06.565 --> 00:35:09.425
And, um, alright.

675
00:35:09.555 --> 00:35:13.025
Supervisor Anderson, display of American flag.

676
00:35:13.525 --> 00:35:17.465
Yes, you have the floor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

677
00:35:19.365 --> 00:35:24.225
Um, let me, uh, get this here.

678
00:35:30.685 --> 00:35:32.145
Oh, okay.

679
00:35:32.385 --> 00:35:36.945
I, this probably has to go to, I, I have a copy. Oh, okay.

680
00:35:39.505 --> 00:35:42.085
No, usually she comes over here and grabs it

681
00:35:42.085 --> 00:35:43.445
before I can get my hands on it.

682
00:35:45.345 --> 00:35:49.365
Oh, grab it. And counsel.

683
00:35:49.425 --> 00:35:51.685
Of course, he's already memorized it, so he doesn't need it.

684
00:35:52.965 --> 00:35:57.565
I wouldn't say that. No. All right.

685
00:35:57.835 --> 00:36:00.685
Alright. What this arises from an issue

686
00:36:01.515 --> 00:36:03.325
that I've been discussing with Ms.

687
00:36:03.645 --> 00:36:07.685
Brittany, and she has asked for a, an accommodation,

688
00:36:07.685 --> 00:36:12.165
which I hope I can make to her, that the homeowner

689
00:36:13.045 --> 00:36:15.885
involved with this, who brought this matter to my attention,

690
00:36:16.555 --> 00:36:19.045
will remain anonymous, if you don't mind,

691
00:36:19.075 --> 00:36:23.845
because this may be adjudicated in our, uh,

692
00:36:24.155 --> 00:36:28.565
deed restriction compliance procedure that happens.

693
00:36:28.945 --> 00:36:32.365
We, of course, you guys voted not to do this anymore.

694
00:36:33.155 --> 00:36:35.845
Deed compliance, hearing and, uh, conclusions.

695
00:36:36.305 --> 00:36:41.205
So now it goes to judge, uh, Neal for her services.

696
00:36:41.475 --> 00:36:44.285
Yeah. It gets done by a professional. Yeah, yeah. A judge.

697
00:36:44.395 --> 00:36:46.325
Yeah. Well, yeah.

698
00:36:46.825 --> 00:36:50.485
So if that's okay with you guys, we'll let the homeowner

699
00:36:51.355 --> 00:36:52.245
name remain

700
00:36:52.275 --> 00:36:57.275
anonymous, gentlemen.

701
00:36:57.945 --> 00:37:00.645
And it is my understanding, the resident is in compliance.

702
00:37:00.825 --> 00:37:02.405
Now, the issue is, is

703
00:37:02.405 --> 00:37:04.765
that the board just shouldn't be discussing cases

704
00:37:04.875 --> 00:37:06.845
that could potentially, even if they're going

705
00:37:06.845 --> 00:37:10.485
before the, um, hearing officer,

706
00:37:12.175 --> 00:37:14.165
we're required to provide them due process

707
00:37:14.385 --> 00:37:16.485
and the availability to be present if a case

708
00:37:16.485 --> 00:37:17.525
is being discussed.

709
00:37:17.905 --> 00:37:20.685
So it, we really shouldn't discuss cases outside

710
00:37:20.705 --> 00:37:22.805
of either the hearing officer process

711
00:37:23.065 --> 00:37:24.725
or if it's before you in an appeal.

712
00:37:25.065 --> 00:37:28.165
But my understanding is, is that this property is now,

713
00:37:28.875 --> 00:37:30.285
they cleared their violation,

714
00:37:30.425 --> 00:37:32.765
so there is no outstanding violation. Okay.

715
00:37:33.385 --> 00:37:36.725
Um, anyway, that's the community standards position.

716
00:37:37.465 --> 00:37:39.845
Uh, I take another position on that,

717
00:37:39.905 --> 00:37:44.245
but we'll argue about that, uh, ex parte communications

718
00:37:44.305 --> 00:37:45.885
and all that, a late at a later time.

719
00:37:45.885 --> 00:37:48.245
It's not necessary for us to go into it now.

720
00:37:49.585 --> 00:37:53.325
Um, anyway, the situation was that

721
00:37:54.085 --> 00:37:58.355
a homeowner in our district put out a, uh,

722
00:38:00.075 --> 00:38:01.115
a little white cross too,

723
00:38:01.335 --> 00:38:04.675
and an American flag, a portable American flag.

724
00:38:04.985 --> 00:38:09.395
This, this thing you see all over 4th of July, Memorial Day,

725
00:38:09.445 --> 00:38:11.395
labor Day, you see 'em all over the place.

726
00:38:12.495 --> 00:38:15.075
So he put one in, in his yard as well.

727
00:38:17.285 --> 00:38:18.775
Well, of course, someone complained

728
00:38:20.275 --> 00:38:24.735
and then, uh, community standards came out

729
00:38:25.115 --> 00:38:27.335
and affirmed it was a violation

730
00:38:28.995 --> 00:38:32.655
and recommend demand,

731
00:38:32.655 --> 00:38:33.855
and suggested whatever

732
00:38:34.125 --> 00:38:37.485
that he remove both items from his yard.

733
00:38:38.545 --> 00:38:40.325
The little white cross is being litigated.

734
00:38:40.345 --> 00:38:42.045
So we're not gonna talk about that right now,

735
00:38:43.105 --> 00:38:44.325
but the flag, we are,

736
00:38:47.195 --> 00:38:49.805
I've given you the statute, the state, four years ago,

737
00:38:49.805 --> 00:38:53.285
the state of Florida, four years ago, found it, uh,

738
00:38:53.495 --> 00:38:55.845
compelling to take up this issue

739
00:38:57.035 --> 00:39:00.735
and write up a law regarding flag displays in,

740
00:39:00.735 --> 00:39:04.775
within Florida, it's chapter seven 20

741
00:39:06.215 --> 00:39:10.395
And Subsection 3 0 4 display of flag,

742
00:39:11.565 --> 00:39:13.475
which includes the American flag,

743
00:39:14.855 --> 00:39:16.815
veterans flags, the state flag.

744
00:39:17.695 --> 00:39:21.575
I think the MIA flag and POW is in there as well.

745
00:39:23.435 --> 00:39:26.535
So the law is not vague. This one is not vague.

746
00:39:26.535 --> 00:39:27.695
This is very clearly written.

747
00:39:30.105 --> 00:39:32.645
So, item, uh, I mean section two A,

748
00:39:33.115 --> 00:39:34.645
I'll read it into the record here.

749
00:39:34.785 --> 00:39:38.765
Any homeowner may display one portable flag,

750
00:39:40.805 --> 00:39:42.605
removable United States flag

751
00:39:42.665 --> 00:39:44.125
or official flag of the state

752
00:39:44.125 --> 00:39:45.725
of Florida in a respectful manner

753
00:39:46.585 --> 00:39:49.645
and one portable removable official flag

754
00:39:49.745 --> 00:39:50.845
in a respectful manner.

755
00:39:51.425 --> 00:39:53.885
Not larger than four and a half feet by six feet.

756
00:39:54.505 --> 00:39:56.765
So you're allowed

757
00:39:56.765 --> 00:39:59.165
to display the American flag here in America.

758
00:40:03.335 --> 00:40:04.745
Item B, section B,

759
00:40:04.885 --> 00:40:07.985
any homeowner may erect a free standing pole

760
00:40:09.045 --> 00:40:11.705
no more than 20 feet high on any portion

761
00:40:11.965 --> 00:40:16.345
of the homeowner's real property property, regardless

762
00:40:16.885 --> 00:40:18.985
of covenants and restrictions.

763
00:40:23.095 --> 00:40:27.665
Section three, this subsection applies

764
00:40:28.045 --> 00:40:31.545
to all community development districts,

765
00:40:33.775 --> 00:40:35.705
also homeowner associations of that.

766
00:40:35.845 --> 00:40:40.435
But the, the state saw it fit to

767
00:40:40.955 --> 00:40:42.235
specifically put in there

768
00:40:44.105 --> 00:40:48.715
CDC CDs like the villages, so

769
00:40:48.715 --> 00:40:51.475
that there could be no distinction or argument.

770
00:40:51.895 --> 00:40:55.195
Oh, that's for homeowners associations. No. Yes, it is.

771
00:40:55.815 --> 00:40:57.825
But specifically,

772
00:40:58.255 --> 00:41:03.255
community development districts, that's us.

773
00:41:06.415 --> 00:41:08.515
And any homeowner, section three,

774
00:41:08.655 --> 00:41:12.235
any homeowner prevented from exercising rights, guaranteed

775
00:41:12.935 --> 00:41:14.355
by subsection one

776
00:41:14.535 --> 00:41:18.355
or subsection two may bring an action in the

777
00:41:18.355 --> 00:41:19.635
appropriate court of the county.

778
00:41:19.635 --> 00:41:24.395
They can sue us. So

779
00:41:25.335 --> 00:41:29.595
it is lastly, it is the intent of the legislature to protect

780
00:41:30.255 --> 00:41:33.805
the right of parcel owners to exercise their rights.

781
00:41:34.235 --> 00:41:38.965
This is one of our rights is to display the American flag.

782
00:41:42.265 --> 00:41:47.245
Now, I've asked,

783
00:41:47.265 --> 00:41:50.125
but I haven't gotten any, uh, response yet as

784
00:41:50.125 --> 00:41:55.085
to why community standards would

785
00:41:56.465 --> 00:41:59.845
direct this homeowner to remove his flag,

786
00:42:00.225 --> 00:42:02.765
his portable flag from his yard.

787
00:42:04.125 --> 00:42:06.205
I have not got an answer, so I can't give that to you.

788
00:42:08.105 --> 00:42:11.525
But we here in District eight

789
00:42:11.625 --> 00:42:14.885
and all the district two, we must follow the law.

790
00:42:17.675 --> 00:42:21.085
Hang on, hang on. I'm, I'm, I'm trying to catch up and Okay.

791
00:42:21.145 --> 00:42:23.165
Get my arms around the issue. All right.

792
00:42:23.325 --> 00:42:25.765
I mean, I, uh, we, we have a coordinator

793
00:42:25.765 --> 00:42:29.085
that you can go get a, an arm full of flags, you know,

794
00:42:29.185 --> 00:42:30.205
for Labor Day Yeah.

795
00:42:30.265 --> 00:42:31.805
Or a national holiday. Yeah.

796
00:42:32.505 --> 00:42:35.125
And, and you, you know, we stick 'em along the edge

797
00:42:35.125 --> 00:42:36.885
of the driveway Yes.

798
00:42:37.865 --> 00:42:39.205
On sidewalk. Yes.

799
00:42:39.305 --> 00:42:40.485
We don't put it out in the middle of the

800
00:42:40.485 --> 00:42:41.645
yard, but we loan it.

801
00:42:41.865 --> 00:42:45.605
Yes. Uh, they go, you know,

802
00:42:45.605 --> 00:42:48.525
they have prescribed areas on district property

803
00:42:48.525 --> 00:42:50.285
where they can place 'em for the holiday.

804
00:42:50.585 --> 00:42:52.485
And you see that they Sure.

805
00:42:52.625 --> 00:42:56.325
You know, they'll go down, uh, along the plants

806
00:42:56.825 --> 00:42:59.125
and sometimes it, you gotta come in,

807
00:42:59.125 --> 00:43:00.885
sometimes you can go out to the curb.

808
00:43:01.805 --> 00:43:03.445
I, I'm trying to understand the issue.

809
00:43:04.405 --> 00:43:06.925
Somebody stuck something on the middle of the yard. No. Yes.

810
00:43:06.955 --> 00:43:08.325
They put it in their yard

811
00:43:09.625 --> 00:43:12.165
and someone complained and it wasn't a holiday.

812
00:43:13.275 --> 00:43:17.095
Uh, no. No. So that's the issue.

813
00:43:17.155 --> 00:43:18.335
It was August 21st

814
00:43:18.435 --> 00:43:22.615
or 22nd that the community standards came out, I guess,

815
00:43:22.795 --> 00:43:24.735
to enforce a deed restriction.

816
00:43:24.855 --> 00:43:27.335
I don't know. I've asked, but I have not been told.

817
00:43:28.225 --> 00:43:30.655
Maybe we can get an answer today. I don't know.

818
00:43:30.655 --> 00:43:31.815
They're also good at what they do.

819
00:43:32.845 --> 00:43:36.855
Well, uh, in this case, let's consider the law,

820
00:43:37.595 --> 00:43:38.895
the state law.

821
00:43:39.235 --> 00:43:42.295
Not a private deed restriction, not a covenant.

822
00:43:42.295 --> 00:43:45.015
Well, this ought to go to community standards and

823
00:43:45.415 --> 00:43:46.415
C. Correct. And

824
00:43:46.415 --> 00:43:47.975
it did go through community standards.

825
00:43:48.035 --> 00:43:51.855
So there is a section in your current, uh, manual

826
00:43:52.445 --> 00:43:54.895
with respect to, to deed compliance that states

827
00:43:54.925 --> 00:43:57.935
that an architectural review flagpoles

828
00:43:57.935 --> 00:43:59.575
and flags the, the section.

829
00:43:59.835 --> 00:44:03.495
Yep. Number one is that one freestanding flagpole is

830
00:44:03.495 --> 00:44:05.895
allowed, but it shall not exceed a maximum height.

831
00:44:06.195 --> 00:44:09.935
20 feet of 22 feet and shall not encroach on any easements.

832
00:44:10.135 --> 00:44:12.375
A RC is approval is required.

833
00:44:13.155 --> 00:44:16.135
Uh, number two, one flagpole attached

834
00:44:16.155 --> 00:44:17.415
to the dwelling is allowed,

835
00:44:17.415 --> 00:44:20.215
but the size must be consistent with the dwelling size

836
00:44:20.675 --> 00:44:21.855
and style, compatible

837
00:44:21.885 --> 00:44:24.055
with the aesthetic aesthetics of the neighborhood.

838
00:44:24.255 --> 00:44:26.735
A RC approval is not required.

839
00:44:27.555 --> 00:44:28.695
The design material

840
00:44:28.915 --> 00:44:31.725
and subject of the flag is not regulated

841
00:44:31.785 --> 00:44:33.565
by the developer or districts.

842
00:44:33.945 --> 00:44:37.765
All flags must be consistent with the size of the lot.

843
00:44:37.825 --> 00:44:41.205
And flagpole, all flags must be hung from a flagpole

844
00:44:41.205 --> 00:44:44.445
that is either freestanding or attached to the dwelling.

845
00:44:45.875 --> 00:44:46.165
Okay.

846
00:44:49.665 --> 00:44:51.365
That's not what the law says.

847
00:44:52.305 --> 00:44:57.205
The state law is right here before you, it doesn't matter.

848
00:44:57.545 --> 00:44:59.605
We can respect the deed restrictions,

849
00:45:00.065 --> 00:45:02.365
but those are private deed restrictions.

850
00:45:02.795 --> 00:45:04.525
This is state law,

851
00:45:05.185 --> 00:45:08.805
and the law supersedes any restrictions,

852
00:45:09.965 --> 00:45:13.735
covenants, uh,

853
00:45:14.065 --> 00:45:15.615
directives, anything.

854
00:45:16.995 --> 00:45:19.495
So we must follow the state law.

855
00:45:20.125 --> 00:45:24.535
They wrote this to protect homeowners. It's right there.

856
00:45:25.565 --> 00:45:26.855
It's your right. Yeah. I didn't see anything here

857
00:45:26.885 --> 00:45:29.615
that I didn't know before all this.

858
00:45:29.815 --> 00:45:32.015
I haven't figured out what the issue is, is my problem.

859
00:45:33.315 --> 00:45:37.295
The issue is this homeowner exercising his right under seven

860
00:45:37.295 --> 00:45:40.255
20, chapter seven 20, was told

861
00:45:40.275 --> 00:45:43.655
to remove his portable flag in his yard.

862
00:45:45.315 --> 00:45:49.015
The villages, as I understand, has no authority to do that.

863
00:45:49.565 --> 00:45:54.415
They're overreaching on seven 20 here. Okay.

864
00:45:54.685 --> 00:45:55.735
This is a difference

865
00:45:55.735 --> 00:45:58.535
of private deed restrictions versus state law.

866
00:46:06.975 --> 00:46:09.915
My understanding is that back in, was it 2018, um,

867
00:46:09.935 --> 00:46:11.875
before I was representing the districts

868
00:46:11.875 --> 00:46:13.235
that this issue was brought up

869
00:46:13.235 --> 00:46:16.155
and researched by prior legal counsel, there are minutes,

870
00:46:16.495 --> 00:46:18.075
um, and I don't know if there's a memo

871
00:46:18.135 --> 00:46:19.435
or anything further on the issue,

872
00:46:19.575 --> 00:46:21.755
but this has been looked into before.

873
00:46:21.755 --> 00:46:25.195
And from what I understand, based on that opinion, um,

874
00:46:26.365 --> 00:46:29.095
what the dis what the district is doing is permissible.

875
00:46:29.335 --> 00:46:30.855
I haven't researched the issue myself.

876
00:46:31.275 --> 00:46:32.975
I'm not sure you want to direct me to do that.

877
00:46:33.595 --> 00:46:36.415
Um, but you know that that's up to this board.

878
00:46:36.415 --> 00:46:39.335
But again, you, you have an opinion from 2018,

879
00:46:39.395 --> 00:46:42.255
and I believe you were on the board in 2018.

880
00:46:42.255 --> 00:46:44.575
And district council at that time was Valerie, uh, Fox,

881
00:46:45.155 --> 00:46:46.215
who provided that opinion.

882
00:46:46.355 --> 00:46:49.255
So the question is, what are we gonna do now?

883
00:46:49.435 --> 00:46:53.135
Are you gonna direct me, um, to do some research

884
00:46:53.155 --> 00:46:54.695
and determine whether, um,

885
00:46:54.695 --> 00:46:56.775
what we're doing is proper in accordance with law?

886
00:46:57.315 --> 00:46:59.295
Or are we gonna rely on the opinion

887
00:46:59.295 --> 00:47:01.015
that has already been paid for?

888
00:47:01.015 --> 00:47:04.975
That says it is. Um, you know, I don't know.

889
00:47:05.395 --> 00:47:07.935
The statute is what it is. The statute says what it says.

890
00:47:08.375 --> 00:47:10.975
I haven't researched case law, um, on that

891
00:47:11.035 --> 00:47:13.655
and what that might, what effect that might have on,

892
00:47:13.755 --> 00:47:15.575
um, our rule.

893
00:47:15.995 --> 00:47:18.815
Um, but again, prior legal counsel did so.

894
00:47:19.885 --> 00:47:23.015
Alright. This was at 2018. Yes, sir.

895
00:47:23.205 --> 00:47:25.375
This chapter was written four years ago.

896
00:47:25.555 --> 00:47:28.575
So how could you consider this chapter

897
00:47:28.755 --> 00:47:30.805
in your legal opinion? And it doesn't even

898
00:47:30.805 --> 00:47:31.805
Exist. First of all, it's

899
00:47:31.805 --> 00:47:32.845
not my legal opinion.

900
00:47:32.905 --> 00:47:36.565
Second of all, the statute, I go back and look at 2018,

901
00:47:37.305 --> 00:47:39.165
and that statute is in the statutes.

902
00:47:39.275 --> 00:47:41.925
That particular section seven 20, lemme pull it up.

903
00:47:42.385 --> 00:47:43.565
It is a little different.

904
00:47:43.625 --> 00:47:46.365
The vari the variation of it in the version of

905
00:47:46.435 --> 00:47:47.885
what was in 2018.

906
00:47:47.905 --> 00:47:50.205
And what we have now is different, but it's there.

907
00:47:50.625 --> 00:47:52.765
So it's probably been amended throughout the years.

908
00:47:53.345 --> 00:47:55.325
Um, but I know in 2018, it's there.

909
00:47:55.445 --> 00:47:57.605
I don't know how far back. I just went to 2018

910
00:47:57.605 --> 00:47:59.285
because that's when the opinion was provided.

911
00:48:00.145 --> 00:48:04.245
So, um, I'm on there now looking at 2018.

912
00:48:05.105 --> 00:48:05.965
Let me pull it up.

913
00:48:07.255 --> 00:48:11.805
7 23 0 4. Yeah, it's there.

914
00:48:12.005 --> 00:48:14.045
I mean, again, it looks different.

915
00:48:14.785 --> 00:48:18.535
Um, in 2018, two a

916
00:48:19.055 --> 00:48:20.495
referenced the size.

917
00:48:20.515 --> 00:48:21.815
It had similar language,

918
00:48:21.955 --> 00:48:25.135
but rather than break down the type of flags

919
00:48:25.805 --> 00:48:30.055
that are permitted, um, it was all in one paragraph.

920
00:48:30.195 --> 00:48:32.535
It says United States Army, Navy, air Force,

921
00:48:32.535 --> 00:48:34.215
Marine Corps, coast Guard.

922
00:48:34.215 --> 00:48:36.335
So, so it was there in 2018.

923
00:48:36.835 --> 00:48:40.295
Um, clearly it is been revised some, right?

924
00:48:40.725 --> 00:48:41.775
It's been revised some.

925
00:48:42.075 --> 00:48:44.175
So, um, again, it's up

926
00:48:44.175 --> 00:48:45.615
to this board as to how they wanna proceed.

927
00:48:45.615 --> 00:48:46.775
Whether they wanna look into this

928
00:48:46.835 --> 00:48:50.015
or rely on prior counsel's opinion, whether,

929
00:48:50.115 --> 00:48:51.575
you know, whatever you wanna do.

930
00:48:53.485 --> 00:48:56.295
Well, I would like to rely on the present law.

931
00:48:58.895 --> 00:49:00.105
It's very plainly written.

932
00:49:01.615 --> 00:49:03.385
It's ensuring the rights

933
00:49:03.385 --> 00:49:06.865
of our homeowners in District eight, the right

934
00:49:06.885 --> 00:49:09.385
to display an American flag

935
00:49:09.605 --> 00:49:13.145
or the other flags portable or on a pole.

936
00:49:14.125 --> 00:49:18.905
Either one. This homeowner should not have been

937
00:49:18.975 --> 00:49:21.825
told remove that flag.

938
00:49:33.825 --> 00:49:35.395
Okay. So you've heard, um, Mr.

939
00:49:35.755 --> 00:49:37.675
Anderson's position and what he'd like to have done.

940
00:49:37.785 --> 00:49:39.715
It's up to this board to decide whether you want

941
00:49:39.715 --> 00:49:42.195
to take any action or direct staff

942
00:49:42.255 --> 00:49:44.075
or district management counsel,

943
00:49:44.145 --> 00:49:46.555
anybody to do anything further. Um,

944
00:49:47.135 --> 00:49:50.275
Is this, is this information available to our, um,

945
00:49:51.745 --> 00:49:55.425
to our, um, what, what's the title

946
00:49:55.485 --> 00:49:57.665
of our retired judge? That

947
00:49:57.995 --> 00:49:58.995
Judge Neal. Judge Neal.

948
00:49:58.995 --> 00:49:59.825
Judge Neil.

949
00:49:59.965 --> 00:50:01.905
So Judge Neal wouldn't consider this

950
00:50:01.905 --> 00:50:03.585
unless a case was presented to her.

951
00:50:04.445 --> 00:50:07.305
Um, and since there's no active case, there's nothing

952
00:50:07.305 --> 00:50:09.185
that she would be able to rule on or look at.

953
00:50:14.245 --> 00:50:17.185
She must be aware of this. I'm sure she is.

954
00:50:19.905 --> 00:50:21.605
Or we have another alternative.

955
00:50:21.745 --> 00:50:26.565
You want, you can seek an attorney general opinion on this.

956
00:50:27.835 --> 00:50:29.165
This is right for that.

957
00:50:30.595 --> 00:50:32.805
Well, we've got ways to display the flag. Right?

958
00:50:32.805 --> 00:50:35.285
You put up a 20 foot flag pole and you, and,

959
00:50:36.505 --> 00:50:38.205
and you put your flag on there and,

960
00:50:38.205 --> 00:50:40.285
and you put light on it if you're gonna

961
00:50:40.285 --> 00:50:41.445
keep it up at night Yes.

962
00:50:41.485 --> 00:50:42.645
A respectful manner. Yes.

963
00:50:42.745 --> 00:50:46.085
And it, and this says you can, you can, uh,

964
00:50:46.085 --> 00:50:50.315
mount a flag on the side to say the side

965
00:50:50.315 --> 00:50:52.075
of your garage or something. Yes.

966
00:50:52.465 --> 00:50:55.075
Correct. And it, it does state that the flagpole

967
00:50:55.075 --> 00:50:57.995
and display are subject to all building codes, zoning,

968
00:50:58.035 --> 00:51:00.475
setbacks, and other applicable governmental regulations,

969
00:51:00.475 --> 00:51:02.795
including, but not limited to noise

970
00:51:02.795 --> 00:51:04.435
and lighting ordinance in the county

971
00:51:04.615 --> 00:51:07.035
or municipality in which the flagpole is erected.

972
00:51:07.035 --> 00:51:10.355
And all setback and locational criteria contained in the

973
00:51:10.355 --> 00:51:14.635
governing document, which is the, when you do the a RC uh,

974
00:51:15.385 --> 00:51:18.235
process, it's ensuring that it's not within an easement.

975
00:51:18.405 --> 00:51:21.195
Right. Where you're placing the, the flagpole, it's,

976
00:51:21.195 --> 00:51:23.555
it's the flagpole is permitted

977
00:51:24.055 --> 00:51:26.235
and the portable flagpole is permitted.

978
00:51:28.255 --> 00:51:31.315
So this is, this is, I would imagine something

979
00:51:31.315 --> 00:51:33.315
that community standards is aware of,

980
00:51:34.985 --> 00:51:35.985
Correct? This was,

981
00:51:35.985 --> 00:51:37.195
this is within the governing

982
00:51:37.475 --> 00:51:38.555
documents for this board.

983
00:51:39.665 --> 00:51:41.475
Yeah. So I'm, I, in my mind,

984
00:51:41.615 --> 00:51:43.595
I'm not sure what there is to do.

985
00:51:43.665 --> 00:51:45.595
Committee standards is aware of this.

986
00:51:47.895 --> 00:51:51.475
So why did they instruct the homeowner to remove the,

987
00:51:51.855 --> 00:51:52.955
the portable flag?

988
00:51:54.015 --> 00:51:55.435
That's a question. I don't know.

989
00:51:55.575 --> 00:51:58.395
And I would like to know that I've asked for that,

990
00:51:59.495 --> 00:52:00.755
but no response.

991
00:52:00.815 --> 00:52:03.115
So I can't tell you why, because it says,

992
00:52:03.295 --> 00:52:05.235
and one portable removable,

993
00:52:09.085 --> 00:52:10.115
there was only one,

994
00:52:10.495 --> 00:52:12.435
one portable flag at issue when

995
00:52:12.435 --> 00:52:13.875
community standards came out.

996
00:52:16.585 --> 00:52:20.035
Does community standards presently know the reason they can

997
00:52:20.035 --> 00:52:21.635
step to the podium and tell us?

998
00:52:23.955 --> 00:52:25.485
Well, well wait a minute. Let me see.

999
00:52:25.545 --> 00:52:28.005
Let me, let me see if I'm catching up with you on two A.

1000
00:52:28.265 --> 00:52:30.845
All right. Because I'm just getting old and slow.

1001
00:52:32.545 --> 00:52:35.925
Uh, the first flag is a US or state of Florida flag.

1002
00:52:37.945 --> 00:52:41.535
The second flag is a service

1003
00:52:42.475 --> 00:52:44.055
or A-P-O-W-M-I-A.

1004
00:52:59.975 --> 00:53:04.835
So these are once US

1005
00:53:04.935 --> 00:53:08.995
or state the other is service or P-O-W-M-I-A.

1006
00:53:10.975 --> 00:53:13.315
Yes. The military. All the military.

1007
00:53:16.465 --> 00:53:17.825
I don't see space boards here,

1008
00:53:17.845 --> 00:53:20.665
but I'm sure that came later after this.

1009
00:53:20.665 --> 00:53:23.625
Yeah. That was written. But by logic

1010
00:53:23.845 --> 00:53:27.965
and consideration, space Force flag flew down.

1011
00:53:28.285 --> 00:53:29.725
I mean, I, I'm, I'm not counsel,

1012
00:53:29.905 --> 00:53:33.045
but it seems to me that the second flag

1013
00:53:34.395 --> 00:53:39.015
is not one of those, It's not our Marine

1014
00:53:39.165 --> 00:53:41.735
section two, air Force Marine, it's section two

1015
00:53:41.885 --> 00:53:44.175
that let lists all the flags

1016
00:53:44.555 --> 00:53:49.095
and then subsection B oh B, which is directly under two.

1017
00:53:49.915 --> 00:53:51.975
Any homeowner freestanding then addresses

1018
00:53:52.515 --> 00:53:53.655
the freestanding pole.

1019
00:53:55.085 --> 00:53:56.655
Okay. I got one of those. Okay.

1020
00:53:56.935 --> 00:53:59.015
I put my American flag on there. Yep.

1021
00:54:00.775 --> 00:54:04.375
I don't have any, uh, service flags.

1022
00:54:06.205 --> 00:54:09.585
If I did, I'd put it under my US flag on the pole. Right.

1023
00:54:12.825 --> 00:54:15.845
So that's where a RC approval is required though,

1024
00:54:15.865 --> 00:54:18.725
for the easement and any type of setbacks

1025
00:54:18.745 --> 00:54:19.805
for placement of the pole.

1026
00:54:20.635 --> 00:54:22.525
Yeah, I ran it through the A RC.

1027
00:54:22.595 --> 00:54:25.805
They conferred with the placement of the flagpole.

1028
00:54:28.115 --> 00:54:29.965
Well, the only requirement here

1029
00:54:30.185 --> 00:54:33.805
for a freestanding flagpole is no more than 20 feet high.

1030
00:54:33.855 --> 00:54:37.125
Right. It does not say you have to get approval from A

1031
00:54:37.765 --> 00:54:39.325
A RC or something like that.

1032
00:54:39.665 --> 00:54:42.725
Now, if you want to consider that, you want to add that

1033
00:54:42.745 --> 00:54:46.365
to the language of the law, that's another issue, your

1034
00:54:46.365 --> 00:54:47.365
Honor.

1035
00:54:47.745 --> 00:54:52.425
But it, it does not require a citizen to go

1036
00:54:52.425 --> 00:54:55.625
and get permission of where to put the flag pole

1037
00:54:55.805 --> 00:55:00.465
unless it's infringing on line of sight, common sense,

1038
00:55:00.465 --> 00:55:03.745
things like that, that a RC probably would consider.

1039
00:55:05.405 --> 00:55:08.825
So just as, um, stated earlier, there's the provision

1040
00:55:09.765 --> 00:55:13.025
two B requiring the flagpole

1041
00:55:13.025 --> 00:55:14.905
and display being subject

1042
00:55:14.925 --> 00:55:17.585
to all building code zoning, set setbacks. I other,

1043
00:55:18.345 --> 00:55:19.625
I would think so. Other

1044
00:55:19.625 --> 00:55:21.585
Applicable govern governmental regulations,

1045
00:55:21.585 --> 00:55:22.905
including, but not limited to.

1046
00:55:25.925 --> 00:55:27.825
And if Governing

1047
00:55:27.905 --> 00:55:28.905
Document on an easement.

1048
00:55:30.925 --> 00:55:31.925
So again, board, I mean, you, These

1049
00:55:31.925 --> 00:55:33.585
are government agencies though.

1050
00:55:33.585 --> 00:55:36.305
These are not private restrictions,

1051
00:55:36.535 --> 00:55:38.585
private entities.

1052
00:55:44.175 --> 00:55:47.745
Your rule that you adopted is a governing document

1053
00:55:47.965 --> 00:55:49.425
for district eight.

1054
00:55:50.965 --> 00:55:54.785
And your ARC manual is something that you've approved

1055
00:55:55.925 --> 00:55:58.105
as a governing board for district eight.

1056
00:55:58.105 --> 00:56:00.665
Right. So again, you're kind of going in circles here.

1057
00:56:00.805 --> 00:56:02.865
It, you know, we know what the issue is. Now.

1058
00:56:03.605 --> 00:56:04.785
Um, the question is what are

1059
00:56:04.785 --> 00:56:05.865
we gonna do about it, if anything?

1060
00:56:06.085 --> 00:56:07.465
And I just need board direction

1061
00:56:07.465 --> 00:56:08.545
or we need board direction,

1062
00:56:08.545 --> 00:56:11.105
whether you want community standards to work with me,

1063
00:56:11.125 --> 00:56:12.385
to work with district management.

1064
00:56:12.495 --> 00:56:14.345
What you want to do now

1065
00:56:14.345 --> 00:56:16.505
that this information has been made available work

1066
00:56:16.505 --> 00:56:17.585
With community standards.

1067
00:56:17.585 --> 00:56:20.665
Right. I think we've worked with community standards.

1068
00:56:20.665 --> 00:56:22.985
Yeah. Do you want me, do you want to pay

1069
00:56:23.085 --> 00:56:25.765
for legal services to research this legal issue?

1070
00:56:25.765 --> 00:56:28.205
Or do you want to try and let them work it first?

1071
00:56:28.205 --> 00:56:31.005
Well, I'd rather let them try to work it first, right? Yeah.

1072
00:56:31.465 --> 00:56:32.565
Let them try to work it first.

1073
00:56:32.625 --> 00:56:34.485
And if that doesn't, we'll make a rec, you know,

1074
00:56:34.605 --> 00:56:36.365
a secondary recommendation sometime.

1075
00:56:36.365 --> 00:56:37.925
Okay. Yes. All right. So we'll

1076
00:56:37.925 --> 00:56:38.925
Put this and in that just a minute.

1077
00:56:38.945 --> 00:56:42.725
And in that we would like to know, I would like to know why

1078
00:56:43.585 --> 00:56:45.725
you community standards went out

1079
00:56:45.865 --> 00:56:49.205
and when they saw this, why did they ask that homeowner

1080
00:56:49.305 --> 00:56:51.405
to remove the flag? Well,

1081
00:56:51.405 --> 00:56:52.525
You can go and talk to 'em.

1082
00:56:52.525 --> 00:56:53.525
You can go talk to 'em.

1083
00:56:54.485 --> 00:56:58.455
Well, actually, uh, the other chairman asked me to

1084
00:56:59.565 --> 00:57:03.095
talk to the, uh, director of community standards.

1085
00:57:03.115 --> 00:57:04.255
Uh, Matt Armstrong.

1086
00:57:05.085 --> 00:57:08.415
Well, Is that right? Matt Armstrong. He's the director.

1087
00:57:08.415 --> 00:57:10.055
Shannon's the head lady here. Correct. Okay.

1088
00:57:10.175 --> 00:57:12.615
I did ask him the question that the chairman asked me

1089
00:57:12.615 --> 00:57:14.455
to ask him, and he refused to answer it.

1090
00:57:14.515 --> 00:57:16.495
So, oh, what am I gonna do here?

1091
00:57:18.085 --> 00:57:19.935
Well, I bet you Shannon would talk to you.

1092
00:57:21.155 --> 00:57:24.615
Why don't we, why don't we just, um, as you mentioned, work

1093
00:57:24.615 --> 00:57:26.495
with district manager management working Well,

1094
00:57:26.495 --> 00:57:27.855
What's gets presented And Okay,

1095
00:57:27.905 --> 00:57:30.095
Bring it back To all I trust Ms. Brittany.

1096
00:57:30.165 --> 00:57:32.615
Yeah. We'll put the, we'll put the head on.

1097
00:57:33.075 --> 00:57:35.455
And in the meantime, community standards

1098
00:57:35.905 --> 00:57:39.975
until we get resolution, please don't go out

1099
00:57:39.975 --> 00:57:42.495
to the homeowners and start removing the American flag

1100
00:57:42.505 --> 00:57:43.975
until we get certainty.

1101
00:57:46.075 --> 00:57:47.855
I'm certain, but please,

1102
00:57:49.125 --> 00:57:49.575
Yeah. The,

1103
00:57:49.635 --> 00:57:51.055
The, let's put it in the basement. If

1104
00:57:51.055 --> 00:57:53.375
I can just state we are, we are content neutral when

1105
00:57:53.375 --> 00:57:54.495
it comes to flags.

1106
00:57:55.915 --> 00:57:59.895
We, it's the, it's the display of flags

1107
00:57:59.895 --> 00:58:00.975
and making sure it is

1108
00:58:01.615 --> 00:58:05.015
properly placed based on your current rule is what staff,

1109
00:58:05.385 --> 00:58:09.775
staff is looking at the rule in place and applying that.

1110
00:58:10.045 --> 00:58:13.375
Okay. What, what rule is there that says they can go out

1111
00:58:13.395 --> 00:58:17.495
and remove a portable flag from someone's front yard?

1112
00:58:19.675 --> 00:58:23.455
That's the question I asked earlier and never got an answer.

1113
00:58:23.745 --> 00:58:24.895
Where is the rule?

1114
00:58:25.515 --> 00:58:28.255
So the, the provision was emailed to you,

1115
00:58:28.355 --> 00:58:30.935
and I read that into the record on what is currently

1116
00:58:31.455 --> 00:58:32.855
required for a,

1117
00:58:33.575 --> 00:58:34.575
A flag pole. But this

1118
00:58:34.575 --> 00:58:35.775
is a portable flag.

1119
00:58:37.065 --> 00:58:39.655
Where is the rule on portable flags?

1120
00:58:41.095 --> 00:58:42.455
I understand the pole flag,

1121
00:58:43.355 --> 00:58:46.815
but this, this was removed not a pole.

1122
00:58:50.355 --> 00:58:52.895
May we know that when you deliberate,

1123
00:58:56.165 --> 00:58:58.565
I believe we've answered the question on the record with

1124
00:58:58.585 --> 00:59:01.725
how the rule was, was being applied with the, with the,

1125
00:59:01.725 --> 00:59:03.245
from the de compliance standpoint,

1126
00:59:03.905 --> 00:59:06.045
Not, not portable flags.

1127
00:59:06.935 --> 00:59:11.045
Madam not portable. I, you know, it's 20 feet in the air.

1128
00:59:11.045 --> 00:59:15.305
That's a pole flag. This is a little more than a foot.

1129
00:59:16.435 --> 00:59:18.945
Where in the rule does it say you had the authority

1130
00:59:19.125 --> 00:59:20.265
to tell that homeowner?

1131
00:59:21.065 --> 00:59:25.045
Remove that flag, that portable flag.

1132
00:59:26.195 --> 00:59:29.245
Okay. Okay. Now I'm, I'm still locked up

1133
00:59:29.245 --> 00:59:30.925
and this is why I'm not an attorney.

1134
00:59:31.325 --> 00:59:34.245
'cause I'm too slow. Okay.

1135
00:59:34.425 --> 00:59:37.285
I'm still locked up on, Hey, you could two A,

1136
00:59:38.235 --> 00:59:41.205
that second flag needs to be a service flag

1137
00:59:41.205 --> 00:59:42.845
or P-O-W-M-I-A flag.

1138
00:59:46.535 --> 00:59:49.285
We'll research this, this statute let us take a look

1139
00:59:49.505 --> 00:59:51.885
At it doesn't say to be context US flag

1140
00:59:53.475 --> 00:59:55.205
removal United States flag.

1141
00:59:55.205 --> 00:59:56.605
That's the American flag.

1142
00:59:57.025 --> 01:00:00.805
No, well, the first one chairman, the first one is the, uh,

1143
01:00:01.825 --> 01:00:03.965
you know, the 20 foot flag pole?

1144
01:00:04.595 --> 01:00:09.005
Yeah. Then the second one is a service. The first one.

1145
01:00:09.475 --> 01:00:10.925
Well, you say number one, I'm,

1146
01:00:10.945 --> 01:00:12.165
I'm sorry, don't mean to interrupt you.

1147
01:00:12.235 --> 01:00:14.085
Yeah. There are two affordable removables.

1148
01:00:20.025 --> 01:00:23.165
The first one is a US or a state of Florida. Yep.

1149
01:00:24.145 --> 01:00:26.605
The second one is, uh, service. Yep.

1150
01:00:26.905 --> 01:00:29.285
It ain't a US flag, Mr.

1151
01:00:29.525 --> 01:00:32.205
Chairman, any homeowner may display one portable.

1152
01:00:32.635 --> 01:00:35.845
This is a portable, you can move it around portable. Okay.

1153
01:00:35.865 --> 01:00:38.605
You know, move around so you wouldn't have a 20 footer.

1154
01:00:39.555 --> 01:00:42.725
They haven't got to that language yet. They're just Okay.

1155
01:00:42.905 --> 01:00:47.005
And then removal, American flag, Florida flag, uh,

1156
01:00:47.745 --> 01:00:51.925
and then removal official flag, not more than four

1157
01:00:51.925 --> 01:00:52.925
and a half feet by six.

1158
01:00:53.025 --> 01:00:55.005
That's the maximum that did the flag.

1159
01:00:55.005 --> 01:00:57.925
They don't want some big garrison flag

1160
01:00:57.945 --> 01:00:59.085
out there in front of your house.

1161
01:00:59.095 --> 01:01:02.245
Right. You know? Right. So they did put a restriction on

1162
01:01:02.245 --> 01:01:03.525
that four and a half by six.

1163
01:01:04.985 --> 01:01:07.515
Alright. I, I guess I'm not grasping your argument,

1164
01:01:07.535 --> 01:01:11.315
but we have, we do have, uh, Brittany charging forward

1165
01:01:11.415 --> 01:01:14.395
to work with community standards to, uh, yes.

1166
01:01:14.775 --> 01:01:17.115
To verify that what we're doing is correct.

1167
01:01:19.575 --> 01:01:21.745
Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah. I'm too slow.

1168
01:01:21.885 --> 01:01:23.425
I'm, I'm gonna hold, I'm too slow.

1169
01:01:24.325 --> 01:01:28.445
So we get Brittany to figure this out. Yeah.

1170
01:01:29.115 --> 01:01:32.365
Yeah. We look forward to the report next month.

1171
01:01:34.185 --> 01:01:36.085
Yes. As soon as additional information's available,

1172
01:01:36.255 --> 01:01:37.485
we'll provide that to the board.

1173
01:01:37.515 --> 01:01:41.085
Yeah. The book. Uh, but in the open meeting here. Sure.

1174
01:01:41.235 --> 01:01:44.365
Yeah. Yes. Okay. Sure. You, you, you email us thing.

1175
01:01:44.425 --> 01:01:46.365
So I I was just wondering, not email,

1176
01:01:46.705 --> 01:01:48.165
but open to the public.

1177
01:01:48.175 --> 01:01:50.565
Right. Sure. Okay. Very good, Nick.

1178
01:01:52.315 --> 01:01:53.325
Well, that was exciting.

1179
01:01:53.965 --> 01:01:56.405
Do we have any other topics we need to talk about? Yes.

1180
01:01:56.465 --> 01:01:58.725
One, one quick item here, uh,

1181
01:01:58.725 --> 01:02:00.565
regarding the little white Cross case.

1182
01:02:01.625 --> 01:02:04.525
Uh, we're, we're, we're still working

1183
01:02:04.745 --> 01:02:07.405
and the court has ordered us back to mediation.

1184
01:02:08.465 --> 01:02:11.725
So I want to, uh, suggest maybe council

1185
01:02:12.345 --> 01:02:16.285
and the board next month want to have your closed session,

1186
01:02:16.625 --> 01:02:17.925
of which I will not attend,

1187
01:02:19.425 --> 01:02:24.075
but, you know, talk about the compromises

1188
01:02:24.075 --> 01:02:26.675
that you may be willing to do at the mediation.

1189
01:02:26.675 --> 01:02:27.915
That's what this is all for.

1190
01:02:29.055 --> 01:02:33.035
The, uh, the judge, she's not, uh, too happy about this.

1191
01:02:33.055 --> 01:02:34.515
You know how long this has been going on.

1192
01:02:34.515 --> 01:02:37.635
She notes in her order too long. We all agree.

1193
01:02:37.715 --> 01:02:41.815
It's too long. I counsel his counsel right here in her first

1194
01:02:41.815 --> 01:02:44.415
paragraph, not requested a session. Yeah.

1195
01:02:44.755 --> 01:02:46.895
So the Reason 1000, just a minute, please.

1196
01:02:47.515 --> 01:02:51.175
1,974 days.

1197
01:02:51.405 --> 01:02:55.415
This case has been going on 5.4 years.

1198
01:02:56.805 --> 01:02:57.935
This is why I'm asking.

1199
01:02:58.065 --> 01:03:01.415
Maybe next month you want to go into closed session?

1200
01:03:02.125 --> 01:03:04.415
Talk to counsel. He will be at the mediation

1201
01:03:05.275 --> 01:03:08.095
and see where you guys, you know, want to do.

1202
01:03:08.445 --> 01:03:10.135
Well, he'll, I'm sure he'll let us know.

1203
01:03:11.465 --> 01:03:13.885
No, you would let him know you're the board.

1204
01:03:14.485 --> 01:03:15.605
I don't go to these meetings.

1205
01:03:15.605 --> 01:03:17.805
You're, you're not invited to the mediation,

1206
01:03:17.945 --> 01:03:20.645
but you are, uh, it's your lawsuit.

1207
01:03:22.645 --> 01:03:26.145
So the way the statute works is whenever I request

1208
01:03:26.885 --> 01:03:29.545
or need a closed session with you, I request it.

1209
01:03:29.735 --> 01:03:33.035
Yeah. Uh, my understanding,

1210
01:03:34.135 --> 01:03:36.715
and I guess I'm wrong, I thought Mr. Anderson,

1211
01:03:36.715 --> 01:03:38.075
that you had said the last time

1212
01:03:38.075 --> 01:03:39.955
that you were no longer going to sit out

1213
01:03:39.955 --> 01:03:41.675
of the shade, shade meetings.

1214
01:03:41.855 --> 01:03:44.195
Are you saying that you will sit out and let Yes, yes.

1215
01:03:44.195 --> 01:03:46.955
I'll, yes I will. Okay. All right. So if, if, Mr.

1216
01:03:47.025 --> 01:03:49.435
Correct, if Mr. Anderson stating on the record

1217
01:03:49.435 --> 01:03:51.515
that he will not attend the shade session,

1218
01:03:51.835 --> 01:03:53.675
I would like at this point in time, to ask

1219
01:03:53.675 --> 01:03:55.075
for a closed session with the board.

1220
01:03:55.105 --> 01:03:56.835
Very good. To discuss litigation Mr.

1221
01:03:57.155 --> 01:03:59.155
Anderson's case for the October meeting.

1222
01:03:59.385 --> 01:04:01.435
Yeah, we'd welcome that. Yeah. Good. Very

1223
01:04:01.435 --> 01:04:02.435
Good. Okay. So

1224
01:04:02.435 --> 01:04:03.915
we'll do that. Uh, we'll notice that

1225
01:04:03.915 --> 01:04:05.715
and schedule that for next one.

1226
01:04:06.305 --> 01:04:08.115
Okay. Very good. Very good.

1227
01:04:08.345 --> 01:04:10.475
Yeah, that was a new info and made a difference. I guess.

1228
01:04:10.615 --> 01:04:12.635
It does, Yeah. Okay.

1229
01:04:14.525 --> 01:04:17.225
We got anything else we want to talk about? Yep.

1230
01:04:18.455 --> 01:04:21.385
I'll make a motion to adjourn. Do we have a second? Second.

1231
01:04:22.365 --> 01:04:25.505
All in favor? I'm your default person. Aye. All in favor?

1232
01:04:25.845 --> 01:04:26.825
Aye. Aye. Bill.