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Call to order.

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Roll call. All supervisors in attendance, please rise for the

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pledge of allegiance and a moment of silence.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the Republic for which it stands, one

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nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Welcome to June's District 12 meeting.

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If there's nothing on the agenda that you need to talk about, please come to the

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microphone, state your name and address at this time.

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I see moving on.

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I don't see law enforcement, so we will move on.

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New business.

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Approval of the minutes.

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Do the supervisors have any comments on the minutes from the last meeting?

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If so, I need a motion for it.

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So moved.

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Second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye. Thank you.

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Our budget lady.

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Yes. Good afternoon. Karen Clary, assistant budget director.

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I'm here today to request adoption of Resolution

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2026-04 to approve your fiscal year

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2026-27 proposed budget and to set the public hearing to

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adopt the fiscal year 2026-27 final budget for September

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1st, 2026 at 1:00 PM here at Everglades Recreation

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Center. In accordance with Chapter 190, the district must approve by

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June 15th a proposed budget, proposed maintenance assessment rates, and

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adopt a resolution to set the public hearing for the budget adoption.

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Once approved, the proposed budget will be submitted to the local governing

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authorities for a 60-day review and comment period prior to budget

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adoption. The approved proposed budget will also be made available on the

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district's website and at the village's Community Development District's

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administration office.

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The board of supervisors reviewed and discussed the fiscal year

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2026-27 recommended budget during your May regular

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meeting. The attached proposed operating budget of

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$4,311,353

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reflects an increase of $98,500, or

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2%, from your fiscal year 2025-26 amended budget.

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This increase is mainly due to higher project-wide fees and increased maintenance

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costs. Based on board direction at your budget workshop, there is a

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2% increase in maintenance assessments included in fiscal year

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2026-27 proposed budget.

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Also attached are the proposed budgets for your debt service funds.

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These budgets reflect interest and principal, along with other bond-related

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expenses, in addition to the revenue received from bond assessment

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payments. So at this time, staff recommends approval of

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Resolution 2026-04 to approve the fiscal year

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2026-27 proposed budget and to set the public hearing to

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adopt the fiscal year 2026-27 final budget for September

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1st, 2026 at 1:00 PM at Everglades Recreation Center, and we're

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here if you have any questions.

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Any comments from the board at this time?

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No?

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Do I have a motion from the board?

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I would move that we adopt Resolution

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2026-04

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to approve the fiscal year 2026-27 proposed budget

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and proposed maintenance assessment rate set

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at the public hearing to be adopted

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on the fiscal year 2026-27 final budget maintenance

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amendment rates for September 1, 2026

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at 1:00 PM at the Everglades. That's my motion.

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Do I have a second?

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Second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye. Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Old business.

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Yes, sir. The only item on old business is also on district council reports,

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which was to discuss the fine request waiver,

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and it's up to you, Mr. Chair, if you would like to address this item now or wait

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till Mr. Briones' reports.

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We could-

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I.

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You're going to go ahead?

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Sure.

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I guess we want to talk about it now.

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All right. Let's talk. If you go to your agenda, go down to the

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district council report, you'll see that there's an agenda item on there that

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lays out the four requirements

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that we came upon, the agreement we came upon, of course, subject to this board's

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action when we met with the property owners.

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And in short, they've agreed to bring that property back into compliance,

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meaning the soil would be back to original design.

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They're going to put some ground cover down.

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We agreed that they would do it substantially complete by

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within 60 days and full complete within 90 days.

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And that we would not reduce...

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Well, I guess we would reduce the fines, but essentially not reduce the cost.

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So we would recover our cost not to exceed $3,000, which at the

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time of the meeting, I think we were in the $2,300 range.

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Didn't take into consideration that meeting that we had as well, plus my time

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and other time. So,

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and then finally, if the requirements of one through

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three are not met, then number four says that it goes back to status quo.

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They'll owe all the money. So if they don't bring the property into compliance,

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or not necessarily into compliance, but bring the soil back to

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original design within that time period, then they essentially would be in

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default of this agreement and would then owe everything.

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There would be no waiver or anything like that of the fines.

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Of course, that's the short of it, and if you're interested in proceeding in that

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manner, we just need a motion to approve.

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If you want to open it up for discussion, I would suggest you do so at this point.

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Do we have any discussion from our supervisors?

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Is this the

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deal you were talking about?

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Yeah. Just a comment. Yeah, we met with the

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property owners, and the

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emphasis was that the property had to be restored

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to its original design,

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with approved ground cover.

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And that, if that takes place within the timeframe,

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that the

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penalties would be waived except for the costs that we have incurred.

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They would have to reimburse us for that.

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And if the terms are not complied with within the

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timeframe that we just discussed, then we revert back

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to where we were, that all the fines are reinstated,

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and then it'll be a matter of enforcement after that.

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But that was the long and the short of it.

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And I would recommend to the board that we

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do approve that.

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It was an arm's length transaction.

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We had a good discussion.

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And I think that

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if the parties comply, then I think that we will

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have at least resolved it as best as we can as a board.

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So I would recommend that we accept that.

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Thank you.

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Mark, this relieves the responsibility and the liability

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of this board should there be damage from...

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I noticed in whatever was presented when I first read it, it said

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we're coming up on hurricane season, and should we get a torrential

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rain or something, and there was damage.

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But the board is covered with this-

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As far as this property is concerned, once it's returned to the original design,

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then you're back to where you were at the beginning as far as status quo.

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So whether that relieves the board from any liability, it's

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hard to say, but it does with regard to that property because the property's going

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to be back to where it was initially.

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Any other comments from the board?

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Do I have a motion to approve?

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So moved.

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Do I have sec-

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Hold on.

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We're going to get public comment. Just a comment.

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So we have a motion and a second. We can have some public comment now.

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Please come to the mic.

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Good afternoon, council. Mark Brymer, 4534 Pearlman Way.

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Thank you for doing this. This is wonderful. We got a feel of all your work and Mr.

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Briones, all your work. We appreciate what you've done.

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This has been a long process, and we're glad that we're here.

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You may have seen an email from John that came out, I believe it was last Thursday

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early in the morning. It was sent to each of you, plus to Carrie and Mr.

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Briones. And John had brought up some issues that I wanted to

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see if you wanted to put into your motion. Maybe you don't, I don't know.

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The resident on the property line of John has,

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over the drainage inlet from the south, a bucket over it and

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put a rock on it that stopped all the drainage coming from that

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direction towards the property, which is also blocked off.

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And he was asking if this board could provide any relief for that.

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So I'm just going to throw these questions out to you.

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Okay.

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It mentions, and this may be a little bit semantics, but it mentions a swale

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to return to original design.

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And that should, but it doesn't say that to remove the homemade drainage

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system that's put in there.

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I just heard Mr. Briones say return it to original.

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If it's not clear enough, we would like to see that very clear.

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I'm out in the community a lot, and I get a lot of questions.

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And the question I got asked three times this last week was what happens after

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90 days if none of this comes together?

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And I'm just throwing these questions out there. What does the board do?

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What does Mr. Briones' direction at that point, at 90 days, nothing's happened?

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What goes from there?

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Another request that came up was to keep this issue on the old business

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agenda for 30, 60, and 90 days. I don't think you guys have any idea how many

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people listen to the recordings of this group.

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Just primarily concerned because they don't want to run into what we've run into.

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They really don't want to see this happen. I've talked to real estate agents.

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It's amazing the number of people.

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I actually got stopped on a softball field, asked what's going

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on.

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How do we find out? And so your recordings are very much listened to.

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So if you can keep that on the agenda, reports from staff or Mr.

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Briones or Carrie or whoever for the next 30, 60, 90 days, that would be

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wonderful.

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Lastly,

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he mentioned the CFB approval for the

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demolition. What we're concerned about is that 90

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days, 60 days, what gets done may not be what you guys want

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done. Could we have an assigned agreement from the demolition company that's

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going to do this, from the homeowners and from the demolition

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group that's going to do that, provided to CFB to make sure everything is on the

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right thing? Because we've heard this, "We don't know how to do this.

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We don't know what's right. We don't know what's wrong." If it's in front of this

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board, if it's in front of the demolition people, if it's in front of

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CFB, can't miss it on that sort of thing.

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So I don't know what of that you want to include.

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I gave you five different things. But those are the primary issues.

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But we certainly applaud what you have done, but we just

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want all the I's dotted and the T's crossed because it just keeps moving.

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So thank you for your time.

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Mm-hmm.

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So Mr. Chair, if you'll recall, this board determined that

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the drainage issue between the property owners was a civil

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issue, and that you did not want to take any

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action based on the fact that if they

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wanted

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to take action on each other, they certainly could, but there was no damage to

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district property. So collectively as a whole, as a board determined that

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it was a civil issue between the property owners.

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The only reason that this is back here today, and the only reason that you are

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requesting that they bring this swale back into original

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construction is because the homeowners asked for you to waive the fines.

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And that was going to be a condition of you waiving the

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fines.If they elect not to, then

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they will continue to owe the fines, and you would, I would assume, direct Mr.

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Briones to take whatever legal action is necessary to collect the fines,

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just like you would do in any other deed compliance case.

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If they do bring it back into their original construction, and what we would do is

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ask CFB to go out there and verify that it is in fact back to

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where it is functioning as originally constructed,

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then per this agreement, you would waive the fines minus

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whatever costs you have up until now, not to exceed 3,000.

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So I just want to remind the property owners that you as a

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board chose not to enforce this, and if the property owners

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wanted to enforce against each other, they certainly could.

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But the only reason that you're discussing this again is because the homeowners

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requested you to waive the fines.

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I would just like to have it listed under our old thing for the 90

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days compliance-

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I agree

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... to make sure that it is followed up within 90 days from deed

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compliance.

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I didn't hear that. I'm sorry.

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I didn't hear what you said.

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I would like to have it still stay on our old agenda.

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Yes.

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After the 90 days, if it doesn't meet the thing, then we talk about it at that

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point.

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I agree. I think that, again,

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we have to do that just to keep our thumb on

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it.

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But the certification that will come from the CFB or whoever

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does is what we want. We're looking for that.

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Once that they sign off, I'm not going to go out there and say, "Yeah, I don't know

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what I'm doing." But once the contractor and the

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people that know what they're doing say, "Yeah, this is the way back it is,"

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I can't imagine that they would say if there's a

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bucket over a drain or something, that that was not part of the original thing.

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But that's not something that we can deal with at this point.

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Once we get the certification that it's compliant, then I think that

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our job is done at that point.

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That's correct. Again, the bucket over the drain, all of that, it's a

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civil issue between the property owners.

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That is not something that you would handle as a board.

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Correct.

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Do I have any other comments from the board at this time?

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I'm the property owner.

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First of all, I want the board to make it perfectly clear that we have

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an ARC-approved plan in our backyard,

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and we're now having to change it. So obviously, we've put

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expenses in, and now we're going to have to spend more money.

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In the air of cooperation, we said we will do whatever you want us to do,

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and we will return it. The problem is the swale is basically a great

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big seven-foot wide gutter along that wall.

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It's not going to do any good to clean out the middle of the gutter, and anybody

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else that has done something in that swale should have to fix it back to normal

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also, because you're basically cleaning out one section of the

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gutter, and both of my neighbors have improvements in the swale.

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And if you go down the wall, there's 14 properties down to the next

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lake. About half of them have stuff in the swale.

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Again, I will do cooperation, whatever you want me to do,

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but you've got to enforce these rules all the way across the board.

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Mm-hmm.

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You can't just pick me.

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It just doesn't seem fair. But I will do what I said I will do.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other comments from the board?

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That was an interesting point.

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Again, you are not requiring them to

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put the swale back as part of a deed compliance process or as

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part of anything other than a condition for you to consider

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waiving the fines.

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You determined that you did not want to have somebody go out

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and do another study to determine if it was, how much it

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was impacted. That was something you elected not to move forward with, and if

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the property owners wanted to enforce it on each other, then they certainly

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could. And then the matter was closed as far as the District 12 board was

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concerned until you got a request to waive the fines.

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As part of that consideration, Mr.

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Briones indicated that they said they were willing to bring the property

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back, the swale back into compliance, and that's something that you could require

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them to do as a condition to waive the fines.

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But if they had not requested to waive the fines, then per the

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board's direction, we would continue telling the neighbors that this is a civil

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issue between the two and not something that the District 12 board wanted to

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move forward with.

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I think I understood what you said.

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The swale is

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at the wall.

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It is our property or homeowner's property?

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Homeowner's property.

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So any changes from the original design

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would have an ARC.

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That's correct. But part of a condition with ARC is that you cannot

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negatively impact the drainage.

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That's per the deed restrictions.

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If you read the deed restrictions, no modification can negatively impact the

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drainage, which is why you went and had the CFB go

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out, and they provided the report that they did.

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Mm-hmm.

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Now, in order for them to fully be able to determine, you are going to have to do

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a much deeper dive into it, a more extensive study

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of it, and this board elected not to move forward with that, and that

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if, because there was no impact to district

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property, if the homeowners wanted to move forward with taking any

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type of action amongst themselves, they certainly could.

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But the board decided that it was not a district issue that you wanted

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to move forward with.

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But it would be a district issue if drainage was impacted.

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I guess I'll look past you with that question.

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If it negatively impacts district property or improvements of the

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district, then you may want to take some action, and that's what we said from the

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very beginning. Since there was no proof in the report that we received, it

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was sort of vague.

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We were tasked with either deciding whether we were going

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to order another report, which was going to cost 15000, I think, to

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20000.

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20.

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Yeah.

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Or whether we just wanted to let the property owners deal with it civilly

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because we had no real evidence that it was negatively

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impacting our stormwater system or anything like that, aside from

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some, I think, erosion by a stormwater pond that, again, in the report said

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it could've been caused by something else.

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So we had no real evidence that what they've done to the property has

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negatively impacted our property.

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So with that being the case, there's no

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reason to take legal action, and again, the board decided they would let them

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deal with it, as Ms. Duckett stated.

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However, the property owners

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at a meeting said they would do whatever they needed to do or whatever we wanted

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them to do,

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and wanted to address the fine situation.

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And the board said, "Okay. We're going to make you do it, but if

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you want to address the fine situation, then you need to bring it back into

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compliance, bring it back to its original design." And that's what the property

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owners have agreed to do. Based on the conversation we had

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with them, I'm confident that they intend on doing that.

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But again, this is just a matter of we're agreeing to waive fines because

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they're agreeing to bring the property back to its original design.

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If they decide they don't want to do that,

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despite the agreement we have, well, then the amount of money goes back up to where

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it was originally, which is,

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I can't remember what, but 12,000 maybe.

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Maybe more, I'm not sure. That would be what would be due.

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And then again, the matter would be a private issue between the neighbors.

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Any other comments from the board at this time?

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All in favor of approval?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Thank you.

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I have a question. I have a question. I'm Debbie Gannon.

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I'm one of the homeowners of 4540 Proma Way,

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and I would like for someone, anyone, to explain to

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me, because our yard is the same as it has

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been since we put in our ARC application

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and approval since September

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24th, 2025. We're now approved. I

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don't know what changed to have us in compliance with

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that September 24th ARC application.

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The yard's the same except for the perennial peanuts across the back that Ed

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advised us to put in.

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What changed? Why did we keep getting fined this whole

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time? Our yard is the same as it's been since September

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24th, 2025. Where did these fines come

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from? We didn't even get a notice until December that we were being fined.

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We thought we were fine, and then the fines have

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continued. Can anybody here tell me? I've sent emails.

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All I've gotten is an address to where to send the payment for the fine.

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No one has explained this to us.

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As far as fines are concerned, I don't know necessarily that that was brought up

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for full discussion during our meeting. The board has already moved on.

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You've already voted on the settlement.

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Certainly, she can reach out to Community Standards if she wants to get

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information. But the board doesn't have the information on the fines.

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That's something that Community Standards would have.

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But at this point, again,

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you voted on this. We have an agreement.

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As far as I'm concerned, we're done with this issue and should probably

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proceed with the rest of the agenda.

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So my comment is to you, you need to get with Community Standards and talk to them.

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I've asked for a name for that.

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You've already emailed them.

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And I've sent you several emails. All you did was send me an address where I could

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send a payment.

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So we don't have your file in front of us, so this isn't something we can answer

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the question right now.

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Well, he knows I sent an email about that, so it's okay.

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And for you about the bucket, that was to stop the dirt from D.

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Ferdinando's when he was piling dirt on each side of his yard.

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That's what the bucket was for, to stop it from stopping up the

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drain. That's all that was for.

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Can we ask Carrie to move with us?

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No, we need to move on.

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We need to move on already.

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This has passed already.

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They've had opportunities.

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You can discuss this after the meetings.

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After the meeting.

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After the meeting you can discuss this.

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At our time, we need to continue with our agenda.

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At this time, next up is our revision for the

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ARC.

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Yes sir, this is only on your agenda as a speaking point.

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If you had any questions to the proposed revisions, we're happy to answer them, or

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if there was anything that you would like to discuss with staff about the proposed

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revisions, but this will be on your agenda next month in a public

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hearing.

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Any comments from the board?

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No.

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Thank you.

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Next, moving on, information. Any comments from the board?

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At this time?

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Moving on to the district manager.

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Yes sir, this is just a reminder that your Form 1, Statement of

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Financial Interest deadline is July 1st.

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Again, this is something that you should have received an email to your district

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gov email address. This isn't something that staff is able to

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unfortunately send to you, so just making sure that you check your email and you

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complete that by July 1st.

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I got it.

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You've done it. To follow up.

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Done.

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Thank you. District council?

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Just one report, a reminder that there are two additional ethics and public records

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training dates scheduled for this year, the next one being August 20

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At 9:00 a.m., and that will be held here at Everglades.

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And then a second one on October 29 at 2:00 p.m., and that will be held at the

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district office. If you still need hours, you can sign up through the clerk's

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office.

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Okay.

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You said August 20 will be here?

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August 20?

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Yes, here.

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Everglades?

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Yep.

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9:00 a.m.

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And the 29th will be at the district office?

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Yes, sir.

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Thank you.

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Moving on.

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Supervisor's comment at this time.

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Mr. Dale?

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Just quickly, much of the meeting was

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recommending

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that the budgets be approved.

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I will throw out one thing that came up right at the end of the meeting, and

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obviously I've only been on that board a year and

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here four years. I don't remember this discussion.

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But evidently there are several people who are seriously interested in

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potentially registering golf carts.

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Yes.

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So-

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Yeah

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... if it's something that this board or any-

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Thank you

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... of the members of the board,

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this is the first I've heard of it, but it obviously will get discussed in the very

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near future at PWAC. So I'd be interested to know what the

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others have to think about that. I've got some initial thoughts,

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but I'll have more time to think about it.

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When you say registering.

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They're talking about, it came up because of damage.

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There were people complaining that we're not doing a good job of

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collecting the damage to gates that are getting

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knocked down. I think we're at the 63%

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mark of collecting the damages to gates.

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And

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so they said, obviously you take pictures of cars, you take pictures of

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contractors' trucks or license plates,

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but golf carts do it and you can't track them down.

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So somebody said, "Well,

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let's register golf carts."

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Interesting.

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If you're going to be able to put the long range

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sensors to open the gates on a golf cart,

497
00:26:38.684 --> 00:26:42.254
then there ought to be a way to take a picture of a golf cart and know that it

498
00:26:42.364 --> 00:26:45.604
belongs to John Roudebush or to Carrie Duncan or whoever.

499
00:26:46.144 --> 00:26:49.314
And obviously this was discussed in the past and-

500
00:26:49.404 --> 00:26:50.144
Yes

501
00:26:50.344 --> 00:26:52.404
... the attorney there was quick to say

502
00:26:53.224 --> 00:26:56.484
it's a can of worms, but if somebody's willing to open it, then it's going to

503
00:26:56.544 --> 00:27:00.144
have to be discussed. That was basically it.

504
00:27:00.484 --> 00:27:00.864
Okay.

505
00:27:01.324 --> 00:27:05.084
Just one comment, out of history. Yeah, it was discussed,

506
00:27:06.244 --> 00:27:10.184
I'm going to guess about eight years ago, when I was on

507
00:27:10.224 --> 00:27:11.264
the District Seven board.

508
00:27:12.624 --> 00:27:16.344
It became a bigger can of worms than you can even imagine.

509
00:27:17.524 --> 00:27:21.504
And it was just sort of

510
00:27:21.564 --> 00:27:25.304
retracted from discussion at both individual board

511
00:27:25.364 --> 00:27:27.324
meetings and at PWAC.

512
00:27:28.724 --> 00:27:31.564
And it has been dormant, as far as I know, since then.

513
00:27:32.764 --> 00:27:32.884
Yeah.

514
00:27:33.384 --> 00:27:33.804
But it

515
00:27:35.884 --> 00:27:37.794
gets very complicated in-

516
00:27:37.904 --> 00:27:38.664
Oh, I'm sure it does

517
00:27:38.684 --> 00:27:38.834
... a number of different ways

518
00:27:38.834 --> 00:27:40.384
... and I'm sure it won't go away in a hurry.

519
00:27:40.584 --> 00:27:40.724
So

520
00:27:41.604 --> 00:27:44.493
there'll be time to try to digest what the-

521
00:27:44.944 --> 00:27:47.064
It would do us well just to think about it.

522
00:27:47.824 --> 00:27:48.784
Yeah.

523
00:27:50.484 --> 00:27:51.304
Okay. Thank you.

524
00:27:51.564 --> 00:27:54.044
Any other comments from the supervisors at this time?

525
00:27:54.544 --> 00:27:57.304
You have a PWAC report from this morning?

526
00:27:59.244 --> 00:28:00.243
That was it, basically.

527
00:28:00.264 --> 00:28:00.784
That was it.

528
00:28:01.544 --> 00:28:03.964
That, plus budget items-

529
00:28:04.004 --> 00:28:04.014
Okay

530
00:28:04.014 --> 00:28:04.484
... just like

531
00:28:06.244 --> 00:28:07.284
we discussed here.

532
00:28:07.704 --> 00:28:07.724
Yeah.

533
00:28:07.744 --> 00:28:08.804
Recommended that

534
00:28:11.284 --> 00:28:14.944
we give our recommendation to approve the budget for SLAD and for PWAC.

535
00:28:15.424 --> 00:28:15.924
That was

536
00:28:18.464 --> 00:28:19.224
basically it.

537
00:28:20.484 --> 00:28:23.564
Cameras for gates, if you're interested in some more detail, they're going to

538
00:28:24.024 --> 00:28:26.944
approve $137,000 to

539
00:28:26.984 --> 00:28:29.954
replace 127 cameras on

540
00:28:30.064 --> 00:28:31.084
gates.

541
00:28:31.304 --> 00:28:31.964
Wow.

542
00:28:32.384 --> 00:28:35.904
There was $312,000 to repair a pipe

543
00:28:35.964 --> 00:28:37.224
that's

544
00:28:38.404 --> 00:28:41.504
subsided somewhere close to a golf course.

545
00:28:43.604 --> 00:28:44.904
So just basic

546
00:28:46.104 --> 00:28:46.364
stuff.

547
00:28:47.364 --> 00:28:50.623
I do have a couple of questions specifically about PWAC.

548
00:28:50.864 --> 00:28:50.944
Yeah.

549
00:28:51.084 --> 00:28:54.114
And if you can't answer them, that's fine. We'll move on.

550
00:28:54.964 --> 00:28:55.354
But

551
00:28:57.144 --> 00:29:00.984
Mr. Ronis thinks that we should do this in public session rather than in

552
00:29:01.004 --> 00:29:01.784
private session.

553
00:29:03.084 --> 00:29:06.264
I served on PWAC for about a year,

554
00:29:06.884 --> 00:29:08.144
about 14 years ago.

555
00:29:09.044 --> 00:29:12.524
And I suspect things have changed since then because it was the first year of

556
00:29:12.584 --> 00:29:15.724
existence, and we were all just still feeling our way.

557
00:29:18.644 --> 00:29:19.584
I'm concerned,

558
00:29:20.664 --> 00:29:23.144
or interested I should say, about process.

559
00:29:24.564 --> 00:29:25.004
When

560
00:29:27.164 --> 00:29:30.464
PWAC approves something, does it need simple majority,

561
00:29:31.224 --> 00:29:34.144
or 60%, or unanimous decision?

562
00:29:35.324 --> 00:29:37.304
Obviously, I guess a simple majority.

563
00:29:37.604 --> 00:29:38.164
That's correct.

564
00:29:38.244 --> 00:29:38.444
Yeah.

565
00:29:38.504 --> 00:29:39.284
Simple majority.

566
00:29:39.744 --> 00:29:43.254
Okay. And things that

567
00:29:43.304 --> 00:29:47.264
are done with the money in the PWAC budget,

568
00:29:47.624 --> 00:29:51.584
I suspect that some things extraneous to the

569
00:29:51.624 --> 00:29:53.364
budget come up this year.

570
00:29:54.684 --> 00:29:58.414
That comes out of the

571
00:29:58.504 --> 00:29:59.204
general fund.

572
00:30:02.444 --> 00:30:03.344
Simple majority.

573
00:30:07.104 --> 00:30:10.904
So PWAC is responsible for two different funds.

574
00:30:11.024 --> 00:30:11.124
Yep.

575
00:30:11.524 --> 00:30:15.064
They're responsible, and when you were on it, they were only responsible for one.

576
00:30:15.164 --> 00:30:17.264
The first is the project-wide fund.

577
00:30:17.524 --> 00:30:17.824
Yep.

578
00:30:17.864 --> 00:30:21.504
And that is to maintain all of the infrastructure and the

579
00:30:21.564 --> 00:30:25.133
landscaping and the multimodal paths in districts

580
00:30:25.244 --> 00:30:28.684
five through 13 in the Brownwood and Lake Sumter

581
00:30:28.764 --> 00:30:29.264
areas.

582
00:30:29.324 --> 00:30:29.964
Right.

583
00:30:30.004 --> 00:30:33.804
The second fund that they're responsible for is the SLAD fund or the

584
00:30:33.844 --> 00:30:37.416
amenity fund.That second hat that they wear

585
00:30:37.736 --> 00:30:40.496
is not funded through any of the residential districts.

586
00:30:40.916 --> 00:30:44.866
It functions like an amenity authority committee, in which they are making policy

587
00:30:44.866 --> 00:30:48.666
decisions, and they're making capital decisions on all of the recreation

588
00:30:48.736 --> 00:30:51.536
facilities in that same geographical area.

589
00:30:52.316 --> 00:30:55.936
So, the intent of PWAC was on

590
00:30:55.996 --> 00:30:57.576
the project-wide fund.

591
00:30:58.576 --> 00:31:02.136
Mr. Martin, or whoever is your project-wide representative, would be

592
00:31:02.216 --> 00:31:05.916
representing this board, and he would be taking this board's best interest into the

593
00:31:05.996 --> 00:31:07.036
project-wide fund.

594
00:31:07.075 --> 00:31:07.156
Yep.

595
00:31:07.736 --> 00:31:11.556
When he's looking at it from a SLAD perspective, or amenities, he's not

596
00:31:11.596 --> 00:31:14.795
representing this board. And he is there just like an AAC

597
00:31:14.886 --> 00:31:18.496
member, where he is representing all of the residents within the

598
00:31:18.536 --> 00:31:22.366
entire area and making a decision based on the amenities of

599
00:31:22.396 --> 00:31:26.176
what's not best for District 12, but what's best for all the

600
00:31:26.216 --> 00:31:28.796
residents serving in that or living in that general area.

601
00:31:30.436 --> 00:31:33.036
That was the piece of PWAC that was added later.

602
00:31:33.116 --> 00:31:36.196
That wasn't initially a responsibility of PWAC.

603
00:31:36.636 --> 00:31:39.636
That was added after Sumter Landing purchased the amenity

604
00:31:39.996 --> 00:31:42.716
facilities south of 466.

605
00:31:46.876 --> 00:31:48.635
I'll come back with more questions later.

606
00:31:49.696 --> 00:31:51.256
Thank you for that clarification.

607
00:31:51.296 --> 00:31:55.276
Well, and just for the record, the budget for that SLAD portion this morning

608
00:31:55.316 --> 00:31:57.136
was $156 million.

609
00:31:57.196 --> 00:31:57.316
Yep.

610
00:31:57.916 --> 00:32:01.795
The budget for the PWAC part of it was $32 million.

611
00:32:02.576 --> 00:32:02.936
So-

612
00:32:03.326 --> 00:32:03.326
Yep

613
00:32:03.326 --> 00:32:05.346
... there is quite a difference.

614
00:32:07.216 --> 00:32:07.776
Yeah.

615
00:32:07.836 --> 00:32:08.216
Yep.

616
00:32:08.246 --> 00:32:12.176
And I guess I was mostly thinking about the

617
00:32:12.186 --> 00:32:16.086
$136 million, and I guess I missed the

618
00:32:16.116 --> 00:32:19.456
distinction between the two. I appreciate that information.

619
00:32:19.696 --> 00:32:20.256
Yes, sir.

620
00:32:20.336 --> 00:32:24.016
And he represents

621
00:32:24.876 --> 00:32:25.796
everybody in

622
00:32:27.616 --> 00:32:28.056
the arena-

623
00:32:28.416 --> 00:32:29.776
Collectively

624
00:32:29.816 --> 00:32:30.146
... not just District 12.

625
00:32:30.176 --> 00:32:32.996
That's right. Collectively, when you're looking at it from the amenities

626
00:32:33.036 --> 00:32:36.896
standpoint, because there's reciprocal uses, it doesn't matter what district you

627
00:32:36.936 --> 00:32:40.816
live in, you can access... In fact, you can go up north and access the first

628
00:32:40.856 --> 00:32:44.826
responders on 42. So, just like AAC, where, yes, they

629
00:32:44.876 --> 00:32:48.696
are elected or appointed by one for each district,

630
00:32:49.366 --> 00:32:53.316
they are representing all of the residents and the recreation

631
00:32:53.396 --> 00:32:56.296
facilities in that whole entire service area.

632
00:32:58.516 --> 00:33:02.256
So, that's why he would not, and nor would the others, they would

633
00:33:02.296 --> 00:33:05.966
not come and he would not ask for this board's input on a

634
00:33:06.056 --> 00:33:09.776
SLAD decision, because it doesn't have anything to do with your role as a

635
00:33:09.816 --> 00:33:13.656
District 12 supervisor. When it comes to the project-wide fund, he

636
00:33:13.716 --> 00:33:17.666
would. He would come and say, for example, "Project-wide is looking at installing

637
00:33:18.396 --> 00:33:21.176
reflective pavement markers or the raised pavement markers on all the multi-middle

638
00:33:21.276 --> 00:33:23.356
paths. District 12, what do we think about our paths?

639
00:33:23.416 --> 00:33:25.156
Is that something you want me to support?

640
00:33:25.176 --> 00:33:28.746
Do we not support it?" That's something, because it is your District

641
00:33:28.796 --> 00:33:30.296
12-owned infrastructure,

642
00:33:31.116 --> 00:33:34.796
that he would come back and say, "What is the pleasure of the board?

643
00:33:34.936 --> 00:33:36.716
Do you think that we should support this?

644
00:33:36.756 --> 00:33:40.296
Do you think we should not?" But when it comes to

645
00:33:40.376 --> 00:33:44.236
recreation renovations or golf course renovations, that doesn't fall

646
00:33:44.376 --> 00:33:48.296
under the purview of this board, so he is there representing all

647
00:33:48.356 --> 00:33:50.476
of the residents just like the District 5

648
00:33:51.476 --> 00:33:55.036
representative, just like the District 12 representative, 13, all

649
00:33:55.496 --> 00:33:55.796
of them.

650
00:33:57.496 --> 00:33:57.776
Thank you.

651
00:33:58.316 --> 00:34:01.276
But, and again, one more thing before we get ended.

652
00:34:02.016 --> 00:34:04.416
I try to bring it up here to discuss-

653
00:34:04.556 --> 00:34:05.246
Yeah. I know you do

654
00:34:05.246 --> 00:34:06.436
... but because of this

655
00:34:08.156 --> 00:34:11.937
Mark will take offense to this. The silly sunshine law that we have in

656
00:34:11.996 --> 00:34:15.476
this state where we can't discuss something

657
00:34:15.836 --> 00:34:19.276
without getting thrown in jail is

658
00:34:19.976 --> 00:34:20.476
crazy,

659
00:34:21.316 --> 00:34:22.756
in my opinion. I mean, we-

660
00:34:23.377 --> 00:34:23.546
I agree with that

661
00:34:23.546 --> 00:34:27.516
... it doesn't mean you have to be able to go behind the scenes and conjure

662
00:34:27.596 --> 00:34:31.576
something up, but you need to be able to discuss things to

663
00:34:31.636 --> 00:34:34.127
know... I want to know what you people think about this

664
00:34:35.056 --> 00:34:37.366
just as well as what I think about it.

665
00:34:39.596 --> 00:34:41.785
And just to ask one additional question,

666
00:34:43.156 --> 00:34:46.446
registering golf carts would not be part of infrastructure?

667
00:34:47.336 --> 00:34:51.066
That's correct. I will tell you, from my recollection when this was

668
00:34:51.096 --> 00:34:54.516
discussed previously, it was determined that we

669
00:34:54.596 --> 00:34:57.746
could not require golf cart registration-

670
00:34:57.776 --> 00:34:57.806
Okay

671
00:34:57.806 --> 00:35:01.476
... that it was not something that Chapter 190 allowed special districts to

672
00:35:01.516 --> 00:35:05.376
require. But yet, we could enact a voluntary

673
00:35:05.396 --> 00:35:09.276
program, and the discussion back then was, all the

674
00:35:09.316 --> 00:35:11.856
people running through the gates on the golf carts really going to come and

675
00:35:11.896 --> 00:35:14.536
register their golf carts? Probably not.

676
00:35:14.576 --> 00:35:18.316
And so, therefore, it was going to be a huge undertaking with not as much

677
00:35:18.476 --> 00:35:18.896
benefit.

678
00:35:19.256 --> 00:35:19.346
Mm-hmm.

679
00:35:19.636 --> 00:35:23.536
But certainly, if Mr. Stone said that maybe there was more to it, I

680
00:35:23.556 --> 00:35:24.686
don't believe he was

681
00:35:25.496 --> 00:35:27.016
district counsel at that time.

682
00:35:27.036 --> 00:35:27.396
No, he was not.

683
00:35:27.416 --> 00:35:30.436
So, this may be something worth him looking into again.

684
00:35:30.496 --> 00:35:34.316
But if I recall, it was you could ask for a voluntary

685
00:35:34.436 --> 00:35:37.936
program, but Chapter 190 did not allow us to require it.

686
00:35:38.116 --> 00:35:40.236
Yeah, that's what I recall also,

687
00:35:41.696 --> 00:35:41.996
which-

688
00:35:43.696 --> 00:35:44.386
Any other comments?

689
00:35:44.386 --> 00:35:45.976
And we can't talk about it.

690
00:35:49.406 --> 00:35:50.836
Any other comments from the board?

691
00:35:51.456 --> 00:35:51.466
No.

692
00:35:51.476 --> 00:35:52.746
Do I have a motion to adjourn?

693
00:35:52.816 --> 00:35:53.516
So moved.

694
00:35:53.716 --> 00:35:54.516
Do I have a second?

695
00:35:55.116 --> 00:35:55.596
Second.

696
00:35:55.696 --> 00:35:56.336
All in favor?

697
00:35:56.836 --> 00:35:57.356
Aye.

698
00:35:57.896 --> 00:35:59.396
Meeting adjourned. Thank you.

699
00:35:59.476 --> 00:35:59.546
Thank you
