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The Community Development District 10 supervisors Monthly

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meeting is called the order August 14th, 2025 at 3:00 PM

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Good afternoon, everyone.

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Appreciate you coming. We will start off with the roll call.

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All supervisors are in attendance.

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First item will be our pledge of allegiance,

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which we will follow.

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Please remain standing

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and we'll follow it up with a moment of silence

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or our military first

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responders. I pledge allegiance

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To the United States of America

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and the Republic, which stands by nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice.

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Thank you. Please

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Be seated

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again.

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Welcome everyone. Nice to see full crowd.

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Um, the next item on our agenda will be

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I will be asking for audience comments given the amount

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of people we have today.

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One of the first things I need

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to do is a little bit of housekeeping.

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I would like to go over some of the rules

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and guidelines that this board follows.

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This is from our procedure manual.

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The district encourages citizen

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participation in the demographic process and recognizes

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and protects the right of freedom

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and speech afforded to all

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as the board conducts the business of the district.

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Rules of civility shall apply.

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District board, supervisors, staff members,

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and members of the public are to communicate respectfully.

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It is preferred that person speak only when recognized

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by the board chair, and at that time

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refrain from engaging in personal attacks or derogatory

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or offensive language.

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Anyone deemed to be dis disruptive

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and negatively impact the efficient operation

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of the meeting shall be subject to removal.

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After two warnings,

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the board shall conduct public comment in accordance

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with the Florida statutes.

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The district chair, or such other person conducting the

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meeting shall ensure that there is at least one period

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of time, which is audience comments

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on the agenda whereby the public has the opportunity

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to address the board.

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Members of the audience making public comment shall

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speak into the microphone.

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We do request that you give your full name and address

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and address all comments to the board.

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Public input.

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Given the number of people today, there's two different ways

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that we can do this.

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Uh, first of all, I'm going to ask for a show of hands of

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how many people would like to come up

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and make comments during this meeting.

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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

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Okay, there's two ways we can do this.

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Let me ask another question.

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Since I'm assuming that most

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of these comments are gonna have to do

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with the anonymous complaint system, uh,

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people are gonna want to speak in favor

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and against how many people out of the

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seven or eight want to speak in favor?

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In favor Of what? In favor

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of the anonymous complaint system.

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One.

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In favor of keeping it.

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In favor. Of keeping it, yes. Thank you. No, I, okay.

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All right. Everyone else, I assume wants

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to modify the rules.

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Mr. Chair, Could we also just, um, also, um,

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make sure that everyone's aware that if it is an item

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that is already on our agenda, that comments need to wait

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until that portion of the agenda?

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Yes. This is some things that are

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Not on these agenda. Thank you.

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Uh, I'm assuming

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that these eight people are strictly on the

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anonymous complaint system.

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Is other than that, is there any other item

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that someone would like to speak on today?

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Okay, so there's one

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in relation to the anonymous complaint system.

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There's two ways we can go on that anyone that wishes

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to speak will be given three minutes to be able

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to make their comments.

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We do not need to hear the same thing seven or eight times.

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So if you have nothing to add

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that is different than the people that have already spoken,

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then please allow that time for someone else

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to get up and speak their peace.

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Uh, if you're just gonna repeat the same process over

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and over again, then we're gonna have

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to cut you off and move on.

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At your choice, you can determine one person

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to speak on behalf of your group.

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That person will be given additional time up

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to at least 10 minutes, and they can speak to the group.

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So we can do it individually

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or we can have a, that will be your

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choice. Yes, ma'am.

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May I ask a question? It has

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nothing to do with, with my question is, Mr. Chairman,

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We need to get her, She

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Does need to come up to the podium.

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Yeah. What we're going to do,

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and since you raised your hand,

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because you have something different than you wish

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to talk about, I'm gonna let you come first

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and take care of your business,

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and then we'll deal with the other issues.

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So if that, at that time you can ask your questions

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or whatever, okay?

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Okay. Yes ma'am. Okay, Mr. Chairman, so

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You wanna mention, Okay, so I'm assuming

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that we're gonna go on an individual basis

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and we're gonna have seven to eight people

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that are going to wish to make comments.

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Uh, before we proceed with that, please,

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everyone make sure your telephones, iPhone, watches,

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whatever, anything that is going to make noise

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and disrupt the recording of this meeting,

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please either mute 'em or turn 'em completely off.

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Okay. That said, um, I'm gonna let y'all decide

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who would like to go first or whatever, but

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after, we're gonna start with the, maybe in the pink pack,

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if you would like to come up,

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please state your name and address

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and give us your comments.

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My name is Linda Peters.

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I live at 8 3 6 Regal Manor Lane in the village

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of Osceola Hills at Soaring Eagle.

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And I have a question really about process

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here at these meetings.

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Um, are we, as an audience

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permitted to come to the microphone

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and ask general questions of the board,

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or are they limited to items that are on the agenda?

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Okay. The way this is done

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with the audience comments portion of it, you can come up

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and speak about anything other than

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what is on the agenda.

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Okay? If you wish to speak about an item

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that is on the agenda, you will wait until we bring

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that item up,

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and then you will have an opportunity at

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that time to make a comment.

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Thank You. During the meeting.

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Clear? Okay? Mm-hmm. That's it.

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Uh, no. I do have some questions.

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I don't know if this is the time to, to bring those up

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Or, we'll, we'll see what we can do. Okay.

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And I would like to say that I do not just refer,

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these questions do not just represent my questions.

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These, some of these are questions that

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residents in our neighborhood who were not able

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to attend today asked if I would bring to the floor.

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So I just wanted to put that out there.

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Um, am I limited to a certain amount of questions?

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You're limited to three minutes.

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Okay. Good. Uh, first question,

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the board, do you represent the developer or the resident?

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We represent the residents.

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Thank you. Is the budget process

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independent of the developer?

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Yes. And how can we learn about that budget process?

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I could let our budget director speak on that,

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but basically all of the information is online.

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You can look at every single line on the budget.

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You can also attend these meetings

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during the budget process when we go

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through it as we approve it.

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Uh, there actually, the, the current budget,

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I believe next month we are going to be meeting

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and voting on approving that budget.

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So you can attend any of these meetings at any time.

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We talk about the budget every, every month.

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Thank you. Mr. Chairman.

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Can I ask, how many have attended the Resident academy?

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How many people in the audience have attended

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the resident academy?

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About five six. Okay.

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And for the record, the budget hearing will take place on

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September 4th at 3:00 PM in the same location.

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Thank you. Next question.

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Are you as the board in compliance with the bond covenant?

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Certainly. Hope so.

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Our attorney would tell us otherwise.

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Yes. And, and please don't, uh, misunderstand me.

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I don't mean to be insulting.

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Uh, I don't mean to

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to sound like I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Ignorance. Uh, I am just conveying from some

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of our other residents questions

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that they have asked me to bring forward.

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No problem. We're willing to

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answer any questions you have.

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Thank you. What facilities

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and businesses have been sold

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by the developer in the last year?

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And is there a list of others coming up for sale

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or planning to be sold

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That is not part of this board's preview?

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We cannot respond to that.

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Thank you. How do you respond to,

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this may be another one, but I'll ask it anyway.

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How do you respond to the statement

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that the developer changed direction

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and is mainly interested in selling new homes

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versus pre-owned homes?

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Uh, that statement was

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provided to one of our residents by village's sales agent.

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Again, not the responsibility of this board.

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Thank you. Um, future expenses

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that we should be prepared to see that we are not aware of,

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at the same, at the present time.

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Those would be included in the budget if they are

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known or anticipated. Thank

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Uh, what is the communication among the CDD

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regarding expense amounts, levels

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and common service providers?

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For example, landscaping of common areas

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who negotiates with and selects the contractors.

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And what is the process for selecting a new

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or existing contractor for renewal?

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Would you like to handle that one?

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Yes. So there is a professional, uh,

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purchasing department, um,

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and through that department, um,

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based on the board's capital needs

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or ongoing maintenance, they do the solicitation,

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they handle the selection committee, um, rankings.

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They present those findings to the board

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and make a recommendation for award of contract.

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And each individual board holds contracts

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for their specific districts.

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The one exception is anything in the project wide fund would

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go to the Sumter Landing Community Development District.

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Okay. We're kind of running over your three minutes.

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How many more do you have? Or, I'm gonna have to cut you

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Off. I've got, I

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I will cut it to one more. Okay.

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Uh, and that would be, again, this is from one

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of our residents could not make the meeting.

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Is there someplace that we can go to find out,

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uh, about the concerns with the new Walmart opening

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and traffic issues, uh,

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that are resulting well already have resulted probably will

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more so, uh, impact us the widening of Morris,

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we were hoping, hoping would take place, uh,

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near the 44 intersection.

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It has not, we don't know

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what the plans are. How would we pursue

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That? I would say that would

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fall under Sumter County's preview

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and you should go to the Sumter County, uh,

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commissioner's meetings.

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Okay. And ask those kind of questions.

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Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay.

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Anyone else with anything other than

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our need restrictions?

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Anonymous complaint. Okay.

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Whoever would like to go first will start.

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Timer will start at three minutes.

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Okay. Uh, my name is Lorraine McDonald.

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I live at 37 71 Fester Lane in Antrim Des.

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And I'm here with a large group of homeowners that have

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recently been reported for what we consider to be

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nonsense complaints.

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Um, and so what we're asking is that the rule be changed

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to be consistent with that rule.

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That's in effect right now for districts 2, 3, 5, 6, and 12.

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It reads, district 10 does not allow

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for anonymous complaints.

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Only residents of their district are allowed

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to submit a concern on properties within

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their respective district.

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The complainant is required to provide their name, unit lot

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and phone number to the community standards

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for verification.

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We would like this information to be public knowledge

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and available to anyone upon request.

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We, a lot of us have lived in the neighborhood for many,

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many years and we do violate the rules.

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I'll admit that right now.

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We put law and ornaments out that we think are tasteful

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and appropriate and add

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to the attractiveness of the community.

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We have never had a problem with that

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until the last 18 months or so.

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It seems like we either have someone who's moved into the

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neighborhood or someone that's riding

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around in a golf cart trolling for violations.

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And we would like to put a stop to what we consider

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to be nonsense complaints.

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We, we agree that if a violation is a, a safety issue

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or if it's an extreme violation against the rules,

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then we agree that it should be reported.

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But if you're gonna report something like that,

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you should be, you should be able to give your name

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and your address and stand up for what you believe is right.

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And that's, that's what we have to say. Thank

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You. Okay. Thank you very much.

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Do you need a copy of how this

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Reads? No.

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If you would like to leave it with us. Thank you.

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I was gonna say one more thing please.

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I just wanted to say that in our neighborhood, um,

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we did do an email blast to the people in our neighborhood.

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Out of 106 people

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that responded 99 were in favor of the rule.

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I also have a petition, three

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or four pages that are signed by Collier residents, Dunedin,

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um, lake Deaton, Osceola Hills,

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Hillsborough, and a great many of them are on board also.

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So I just wanted to throw that out. Thank you. Thank you.

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Okay. Next person. Who would like to go next?

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Good afternoon. Board members. Uh, my name's Joseph Palermo.

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I live at 3 7 9 5 Orango Way.

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And I am in favor of keeping the anonymous complaint.

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I don't see what, knowing

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the name of the person who made the complaint,

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what it's going to do, I don't see

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what problem it solves.

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I don't know what you're going to do with that information

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once you're going get it.

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So I'll keep it short because we're on a time limit.

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That's all. Thank you very much.

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Good afternoon. My name is Richard Dery, uh,

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shale Trail Loop 1524 in the Village of Hillsborough.

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Um, I am speaking in favor of keeping the anonymous

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complaint system as it is.

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I think it's unfortunate

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that we started calling it an anonymous complaint.

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When I read what's in the district, um,

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information, it's really an anonymous deed violation.

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And the process, as I read it

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and understand it, is someone in, uh, reports a deed

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compliance issue.

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It is then investigated

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by the community development district.

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And if it's found to be frivolous

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against the written rules, that's the end of it.

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If it's found to be in violation,

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then it starts the process where the homeowner gets notified

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and you begin that process to give people the opportunity

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to resolve the issue.

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It's irrelevant whether the person is known or not known.

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The only reason, I'm trying to figure out what's the problem

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that we're trying to solve, it appears to me

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that the only reason to put, to get rid

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of the anonymous complaint is to end

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valid complaints from people that aren't comfortable

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with confrontation.

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Because once you put their name and number out there,

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and we've seen it time

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and again, there are people that get pretty nasty,

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even if it's a legitimate.

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So I would really like

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to see us just keep the complaint system as is.

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And, and again, we all sign these, uh,

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that we were gonna be in compliance

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with the deed restrictions and we should follow.

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Not everybody's taste is the same,

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but just follow the, follow the rules.

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So I'm asking, thank you very much. Thank you.

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My name is William Steele.

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I live at 2 0 0 7 Leonard

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and Patton Villages Village of Hillsborough.

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Um, I am in favor of displaying

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or notifying people who was making

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a complaint years ago.

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Uh, we received a complaint from someone

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through the villages,

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and we were somewhat investigated,

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if you wanna call it that.

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We were running a business out

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of our home for a massage power.

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My wife has serious back conditions.

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She had a doctor coming

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and a massage therapist coming usually on a weekly basis.

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The person that did the complaint said

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that we were running a,

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a legitimate business out of our house.

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We got the doctor to send a note to

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the villages or whoever the person was that was taking care

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of this, uh, years ago.

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But they would not take the complaint off of our record.

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They would not tell us who made the complaint

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or, you know, anything.

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I think that's wrong. If you're going

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to find a complaint is not valid, it should be taken off

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or it should be rep, uh, reprimanded to the person

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that made the complaint in the first place.

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This was a serious mental anguish that we were caused.

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What do you mean that the, it was not resolved.

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That the complaint was not taken off.

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We had a doctor who was doing the massage

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and their therapist send a note to

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Whoever we got the complaint, uh, listing from

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that we were running a business.

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They said that, 'cause we asked them to take it off

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of our record, that there was a complaint against us.

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They says that we cannot do it.

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Once there is a complaint registered,

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it stays on your record for forever,

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whether it was founded or unfounded.

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Okay. Mr. Steele, if I could clarify something

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before this board, the item

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that you're particularly talking about,

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this board has nothing to do with what you're talking about,

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is an internal deed restriction.

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This board only deals with external deed restrictions.

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That complaint and the information you got back was coming

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directly from the developer or his declarant.

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So we have absolutely no control over that.

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And anonymous complaint, a non-anonymous is not going

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to make one bit of difference on that.

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Okay. This board does not handle Intel interior complaints.

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All right. Okay. Uh, also one other thing.

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Um, my son is retired military

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with medical restrictions.

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And during the heat of this past summer

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that they were contacted,

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that they were having complaints from their neighbors

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because the grass

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and weeding was not done on a regular basis.

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Um, he just couldn't do it.

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I did it sometime for him,

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but he was finally able to get, uh, a someone

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to cut the grass and, and do the weeding.

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But there's now a complaint against, uh, his file

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and no one has come forward saying that they did it

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or did not do it in the neighborhood.

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Okay. We would like to know,

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at least we could give them an excuse for what has happened

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or ask them if they could give some help.

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Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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Um, I am in favor of just,

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uh, letting people know

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who made the complaint on their property.

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Because years ago we had many people in our neighborhood

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being reported from somebody that was going

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around in a golf car.

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One people followed them.

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They didn't live within two miles of our area.

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It had nothing better to do. Okay. Your time's up.

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I'm sorry. A quick question, um, before we go on, mark.

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Um, in regards to coming off the record

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or whatever, the Sunshine Law doesn't, that everything has

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to be kept and open for anybody.

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If those complaints are there, they don't,

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you can't just erase 'em off the file

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because of the Sunshine Law.

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Is that correct? Uh,

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the public records law in Florida requires

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that you maintain written records and documentation.

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So yes, if a call was made and uh, reported

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and it was written down, then that's a public record.

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So that's not our responsibility

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or anything we can do about that.

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I wanted wanted to make sure that you understood that,

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that if someone makes a complaint, it's a public record.

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And that public record, no matter who made it, if you know

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who made it, if you didn't know who made it,

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that record is gonna be there based upon the Sunshine Law.

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And we have no control over that. That's a state law.

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Thank you. Alright, next.

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Whoever's holding their, Hannah, I can't see you.

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I'm Diana Ferris at 37 39 Park Drive

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in Antrim Dells.

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And I had no plans to speak, so bear with me.

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'cause I might just kind of ramble.

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But I'm going to, uh, check this.

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I sent a message today to our Facebook page,

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so I'm gonna look at that for just a few of my thoughts.

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Um, I have mixed emotions about making

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the complaints anonymous.

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My husband and I were reported,

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we had a complaint, actually two filed.

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And when we went to the, whatever, you go to the,

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a agricultural board with whatever it is, um, they

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said that, uh, it was not a valid complaint,

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but we went through a lot of stress

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because, um, it was regarding something

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that the previous homeowner had done,

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which I understand happens a lot, which is a shame.

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Um, but we were told that I forget why that it,

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it was just not to worry about it.

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So, um, I think to somebody down there

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who said that they feel that we don't need to know the name.

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I, I think the main reason that those of us

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who agree that it should be anonymous, want to do it,

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to try to curtail the amount of, uh,

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complaints that somebody obviously feels they can submit

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because we have had so many in the neighborhood

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and they can be very ridiculous and excessive

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and not legitimate.

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And I don't understand why these complaints aren't reviewed

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prior to being given to a resident

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because that could cut down on so much of the animosity

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and whatever frustration is caused by receiving.

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'cause we could have actually had to pay thousands

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of dollars for the landscaping issue.

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That wasn't an issue. So my point is,

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is there any way this law could be changed

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or whatever it's called, not to be a blanket, you know,

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getting a rid of the anonymity, anonymity,

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however you say that,

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but could it be changed so that it

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one may be limits the amount of complaints

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that somebody can file

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and maybe that might prevent

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whatever seems to be happening in our neighborhood

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by some troll from happening.

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Um, it can something be done to change the rules so that,

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like I said, can, can somebody review it

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before it goes forward

526
00:28:36.515 --> 00:28:40.175
and causes so much stress Because something like a white

527
00:28:40.175 --> 00:28:41.895
cross or a ceramic bunny like,

528
00:28:41.895 --> 00:28:43.655
like Lorraine says, it's tasteful.

529
00:28:44.195 --> 00:28:45.535
You know, something gaudy.

530
00:28:45.535 --> 00:28:48.175
Maybe that's different, but maybe some word

531
00:28:48.195 --> 00:28:52.015
or something of some kind could address those things so that

532
00:28:53.105 --> 00:28:54.735
everything doesn't go out

533
00:28:55.435 --> 00:28:57.575
and cause stress to people. 'cause it's very

534
00:28:57.855 --> 00:28:58.855
Stressful. If I could respond to

535
00:28:58.855 --> 00:28:59.935
you for just a second. Yes.

536
00:29:00.435 --> 00:29:02.815
Um, I'm not sure whether you realize the way

537
00:29:02.815 --> 00:29:03.935
this process works.

538
00:29:04.575 --> 00:29:09.375
Probably not. But If a complaint comes into community

539
00:29:09.575 --> 00:29:14.015
standards, they send someone out

540
00:29:14.275 --> 00:29:16.135
to your residence Yes.

541
00:29:16.395 --> 00:29:18.655
To look at it

542
00:29:18.915 --> 00:29:22.815
and determine whether it is a valid complaint or not.

543
00:29:23.075 --> 00:29:24.175
May I respond? Sure.

544
00:29:24.245 --> 00:29:27.855
Because we did get a really long letter, two page letter

545
00:29:28.365 --> 00:29:30.775
that didn't explain anything.

546
00:29:30.955 --> 00:29:32.815
So when I called community standards

547
00:29:33.115 --> 00:29:35.815
and spoke to the lady, she said, I don't know

548
00:29:35.815 --> 00:29:37.015
what it is about either,

549
00:29:37.915 --> 00:29:41.565
but you need to submit whatever, take all the measurements

550
00:29:41.585 --> 00:29:42.725
and do this and do that

551
00:29:42.725 --> 00:29:45.285
and explain everything and we'll review it.

552
00:29:45.925 --> 00:29:48.445
I called and asked twice from two different people,

553
00:29:48.835 --> 00:29:50.205
they didn't know what it was about.

554
00:29:50.385 --> 00:29:53.005
And they said that kind of happens often,

555
00:29:54.915 --> 00:29:55.915
Jack. I would disagree

556
00:29:55.915 --> 00:29:56.445
with that.

557
00:29:56.905 --> 00:30:00.645
Can I chime in a little bit here? Um, Mr.

558
00:30:00.775 --> 00:30:03.245
Wiser used to be on the Architectural Review board

559
00:30:03.465 --> 00:30:07.125
as I also was, so we are very familiar with that process.

560
00:30:07.315 --> 00:30:08.485
What, what they're talking about.

561
00:30:08.505 --> 00:30:10.605
It sounds like the previous homeowner did

562
00:30:11.685 --> 00:30:13.485
landscaping changes or whatever and never got approval.

563
00:30:13.555 --> 00:30:17.085
Exactly. 'cause what happens if somebody files complaint,

564
00:30:17.085 --> 00:30:20.465
and Shannon can confirm this, first of all,

565
00:30:20.465 --> 00:30:21.945
community standards does research.

566
00:30:21.975 --> 00:30:24.225
They check to see what, if any, approvals

567
00:30:24.225 --> 00:30:26.945
for exterior changes have been requested for that home.

568
00:30:26.945 --> 00:30:29.105
Mm-hmm. And what has been approved.

569
00:30:29.605 --> 00:30:33.585
And trust me, I've seen it countless times

570
00:30:33.735 --> 00:30:35.225
what gets approved versus

571
00:30:35.255 --> 00:30:37.625
what gets done in the field can be two different things.

572
00:30:37.735 --> 00:30:41.025
Sure. That's why they send somebody out to check

573
00:30:41.645 --> 00:30:44.745
if nothing is in violation, it dies right there.

574
00:30:45.165 --> 00:30:49.105
But it didn't, It sounds like the violation itself was

575
00:30:49.105 --> 00:30:51.265
the fact that there were changes made without,

576
00:30:51.265 --> 00:30:52.465
without, without approval.

577
00:30:52.845 --> 00:30:55.425
That's why they, because I used to see these all the time,

578
00:30:55.425 --> 00:30:57.425
people coming in and getting approval,

579
00:30:57.575 --> 00:30:59.785
what had been pre done by a previous homeowner.

580
00:30:59.785 --> 00:31:01.945
Right. That's all it was. It was not.

581
00:31:02.415 --> 00:31:04.585
It's just, it's a formality.

582
00:31:04.645 --> 00:31:05.865
But at least now you have,

583
00:31:06.005 --> 00:31:07.785
and I'm sure our architectural review

584
00:31:08.145 --> 00:31:09.145
Approval, yes, it was approved. Everything

585
00:31:09.145 --> 00:31:10.825
is now on the record as approved.

586
00:31:11.205 --> 00:31:12.385
Why can't they just look

587
00:31:12.485 --> 00:31:14.785
and see that it was regarding the previous,

588
00:31:15.325 --> 00:31:17.065
Uh, uh, there's no, it's still a violation.

589
00:31:17.245 --> 00:31:19.545
It, there is no grandfathering in the villages. Okay.

590
00:31:19.545 --> 00:31:20.905
Other than the developer. Alright.

591
00:31:20.905 --> 00:31:22.065
That's part of my opening statement.

592
00:31:22.215 --> 00:31:24.745
Okay. Well that explain, that explains that. Thank you.

593
00:31:25.215 --> 00:31:27.505
Okay. But I still think that the

594
00:31:28.175 --> 00:31:31.185
anonymous reporting needs to be addressed

595
00:31:31.965 --> 00:31:35.975
and maybe not be a blanket, you know, done away with,

596
00:31:36.075 --> 00:31:38.815
but maybe really seriously needs to be addressed

597
00:31:38.815 --> 00:31:40.055
because there are so many people,

598
00:31:40.705 --> 00:31:42.295
especially in my neighborhood,

599
00:31:42.295 --> 00:31:46.295
because there has been so many ridiculous Well,

600
00:31:46.295 --> 00:31:47.695
what we feel is ridiculous

601
00:31:47.945 --> 00:31:49.615
Going, I'm gonna have to cut this one off.

602
00:31:49.705 --> 00:31:51.295
We're over the three minutes. All right.

603
00:31:51.475 --> 00:31:53.695
We kind cut in time a little bit. I apologize

604
00:31:54.475 --> 00:31:55.475
Mr. Chairman. May

605
00:31:55.475 --> 00:31:58.175
I also add that we have no control over the,

606
00:31:58.275 --> 00:32:01.975
um, village and sales office who may accept the property

607
00:32:02.235 --> 00:32:04.535
for, um, you know, negotiating a sale.

608
00:32:05.195 --> 00:32:09.575
Uh, and it was, the ARC approval was never received.

609
00:32:10.115 --> 00:32:14.135
The, uh, property's in violation. The new owners buy it.

610
00:32:14.715 --> 00:32:16.095
Um, why didn't they know?

611
00:32:16.395 --> 00:32:20.335
We have no control over what the sales division does

612
00:32:21.185 --> 00:32:22.495
about notifying people.

613
00:32:22.555 --> 00:32:26.135
If there is a current, um, violation already recorded,

614
00:32:26.925 --> 00:32:30.255
then there would be a problem with the sales department.

615
00:32:30.475 --> 00:32:32.095
You know, not acknowledging that.

616
00:32:32.515 --> 00:32:33.855
But if it's not acknowledged,

617
00:32:34.435 --> 00:32:35.575
we don't have control over that.

618
00:32:36.475 --> 00:32:38.135
Not. Alright, let's move to the next person, please.

619
00:32:38.675 --> 00:32:39.095
Yes, sir.

620
00:32:44.145 --> 00:32:45.685
Uh, my name's Pat Gokey.

621
00:32:45.765 --> 00:32:49.005
I live at, uh, 2 5 9 2 alade in Perry vs.

622
00:32:49.865 --> 00:32:53.525
And I see pros and cons of anonymous and not anonymous,

623
00:32:54.265 --> 00:32:57.285
but I'd like to suggest to you a compromise.

624
00:32:58.185 --> 00:33:01.205
And that is that, um, whoever it is

625
00:33:01.205 --> 00:33:04.245
that takes the complaint, the form has a box that says

626
00:33:05.105 --> 00:33:06.165
do they live in the village?

627
00:33:06.345 --> 00:33:09.765
In that village or in the case I'm in Perry Villas

628
00:33:09.825 --> 00:33:11.685
and I can make the argument that, okay,

629
00:33:11.685 --> 00:33:12.845
do they live in Perry Villas?

630
00:33:13.475 --> 00:33:15.765
Well, but I also have to drive through other parts

631
00:33:15.765 --> 00:33:17.005
of Collier to get there.

632
00:33:17.105 --> 00:33:19.765
So maybe I'm interested, I know there's a number

633
00:33:19.765 --> 00:33:22.245
of pe there's a bunch of violations in Perryville.

634
00:33:23.085 --> 00:33:25.805
I think most people would not have any idea if they exist.

635
00:33:26.555 --> 00:33:29.845
Okay. Um, so, you know, if it,

636
00:33:30.305 --> 00:33:34.325
if you just have somebody check our IDs all have a,

637
00:33:34.645 --> 00:33:37.605
a unit number and that tells you what, you know,

638
00:33:37.605 --> 00:33:40.165
where we live without putting into the,

639
00:33:40.395 --> 00:33:42.245
into the complaint our name, address

640
00:33:42.465 --> 00:33:45.085
and everything, that then becomes public knowledge on

641
00:33:45.085 --> 00:33:46.205
the Florida Sunshine Wall.

642
00:33:46.825 --> 00:33:48.005
But if they just check

643
00:33:48.585 --> 00:33:51.525
or they say, write down what unit the person lives in,

644
00:33:52.155 --> 00:33:54.765
then it would be known that they lived in the area.

645
00:33:55.075 --> 00:33:56.525
They had a reason to complain.

646
00:33:57.265 --> 00:34:01.165
Um, and that it's not some troll from 10 miles away.

647
00:34:01.265 --> 00:34:04.445
So that would be my suggestion to you, is just have the,

648
00:34:04.505 --> 00:34:07.725
the form, have a box checking that they live in the unit

649
00:34:07.755 --> 00:34:08.845
that they're complaining about.

650
00:34:09.075 --> 00:34:13.285
Okay. That you Next.

651
00:34:21.625 --> 00:34:23.125
Uh, my name is Jeff Ratner.

652
00:34:23.165 --> 00:34:26.525
I live at 1130 Ivo Wood in the village of Dunedin.

653
00:34:26.945 --> 00:34:30.445
Um, one of the, this is a twoedged sword.

654
00:34:31.285 --> 00:34:34.325
I mean, on one hand you have some of the vigilantism

655
00:34:34.325 --> 00:34:36.725
that's going on in the villages with people

656
00:34:36.725 --> 00:34:39.805
who apparently have nothing better to do than drive around,

657
00:34:40.585 --> 00:34:42.325
uh, and do what they need to do.

658
00:34:42.605 --> 00:34:46.205
I got a friend who got, uh, on a fence compliance thing

659
00:34:46.205 --> 00:34:47.685
that was in compliance.

660
00:34:48.235 --> 00:34:50.925
This guy was driving around in a car two blocks away

661
00:34:50.925 --> 00:34:52.645
and wrote it, went over and wrote it down.

662
00:34:53.425 --> 00:34:58.405
It got on our street. Somebody got, uh, had a violation.

663
00:34:58.945 --> 00:35:02.205
She was so vindictive, she got a clipboard and went up

664
00:35:02.205 --> 00:35:03.965
and down the street taking about 20

665
00:35:03.975 --> 00:35:06.005
names and turned those in.

666
00:35:06.465 --> 00:35:09.165
She later thought had second thoughts or her husband,

667
00:35:09.825 --> 00:35:12.805
or encouraged her to have second thoughts is the story.

668
00:35:13.705 --> 00:35:17.205
And, uh, she tried to rescind those 20 complaints

669
00:35:17.305 --> 00:35:19.285
and was told no she could not.

670
00:35:20.385 --> 00:35:24.005
Um, I think the deterrent here is

671
00:35:24.905 --> 00:35:26.405
if you have to give your name,

672
00:35:26.985 --> 00:35:28.165
you have to give your address.

673
00:35:28.495 --> 00:35:32.485
First of all, you should have to live in that area.

674
00:35:33.105 --> 00:35:35.245
Not running around in a car, not going around

675
00:35:35.245 --> 00:35:37.485
with a clipboard and just taking names.

676
00:35:37.765 --> 00:35:39.685
'cause you have nothing better to do in a place

677
00:35:39.685 --> 00:35:41.085
where there's so much to do.

678
00:35:42.065 --> 00:35:46.085
Um, the deterrent here is when you have to give a name

679
00:35:47.225 --> 00:35:50.085
and an address, it's a deterrent to you.

680
00:35:50.785 --> 00:35:52.045
If it means so much to you,

681
00:35:52.185 --> 00:35:53.885
you should have no problem doing that.

682
00:35:54.015 --> 00:35:57.465
Where do you stand if you, if you have

683
00:35:57.465 --> 00:35:59.425
to remain anonymous in the background

684
00:35:59.805 --> 00:36:03.585
and you don't have the guts to give a name and an address

685
00:36:03.725 --> 00:36:07.065
and stand behind it, when there is a clear infraction,

686
00:36:08.655 --> 00:36:10.425
Then what are, what are you really doing here?

687
00:36:11.365 --> 00:36:13.545
Uh, it is just, it's just craziness.

688
00:36:13.845 --> 00:36:16.825
You should have to at least live, in my case, in Dunedin,

689
00:36:17.505 --> 00:36:18.985
I think that has to be a given.

690
00:36:19.605 --> 00:36:21.625
But the deterrent here is to the person

691
00:36:21.725 --> 00:36:22.905
who will not give a name.

692
00:36:23.835 --> 00:36:27.135
You can't just walk away, take names on a clipboard

693
00:36:27.135 --> 00:36:28.455
and do whatever you wanna do

694
00:36:28.885 --> 00:36:31.015
because you're not happy that day.

695
00:36:32.125 --> 00:36:35.825
It, it just makes no sense to me. It is. But I do agree.

696
00:36:35.825 --> 00:36:37.505
It's a two-edged sword. You give that name,

697
00:36:37.505 --> 00:36:39.065
you're worried about vindictiveness

698
00:36:39.365 --> 00:36:40.665
and you're labeled a troll.

699
00:36:41.085 --> 00:36:42.945
Uh, who knows what people are gonna do.

700
00:36:43.685 --> 00:36:46.425
But this country was not based on vigilantism

701
00:36:46.425 --> 00:36:47.625
and neither was the villages.

702
00:36:48.405 --> 00:36:52.185
So I think it's time that, uh, we turn around

703
00:36:52.185 --> 00:36:56.065
and we say, you should give a name and an address.

704
00:36:56.615 --> 00:37:00.545
Have the guts to stand behind your own convictions instead

705
00:37:00.565 --> 00:37:02.665
of standing behind anonymity.

706
00:37:03.635 --> 00:37:06.505
Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?

707
00:37:11.095 --> 00:37:11.705
Gentleman?

708
00:37:17.495 --> 00:37:18.505
Okay. Any, anyone else?

709
00:37:21.845 --> 00:37:23.465
All right, we'll move on.

710
00:37:23.645 --> 00:37:27.425
Are there any other residents here that wish

711
00:37:27.425 --> 00:37:30.465
to bring up any other comments on any other topics?

712
00:37:33.725 --> 00:37:36.665
All right. In that case, thank you all for coming.

713
00:37:38.285 --> 00:37:41.385
We are going to move on with our agenda,

714
00:37:44.405 --> 00:37:47.385
and the next item on the agenda will be our consent agenda.

715
00:37:48.225 --> 00:37:51.145
I have a question. When will you

716
00:37:51.145 --> 00:37:52.185
have to come to the podium please?

717
00:37:54.135 --> 00:37:55.745
When will we get a decision on this?

718
00:37:56.845 --> 00:37:58.185
The board will discuss it.

719
00:37:58.205 --> 00:38:02.785
And if we decide that we want to discuss any changes,

720
00:38:03.085 --> 00:38:05.945
it will be put on the agenda for a future meeting.

721
00:38:06.525 --> 00:38:09.825
We make no decisions today based on anyone's comments.

722
00:38:10.765 --> 00:38:12.625
So will someone be notified

723
00:38:12.625 --> 00:38:14.545
that this will be on the agenda for another

724
00:38:14.545 --> 00:38:15.545
Meeting? The notices

725
00:38:15.545 --> 00:38:18.905
of all meetings are posted prior

726
00:38:19.005 --> 00:38:21.065
to every single meeting with an agenda.

727
00:38:21.405 --> 00:38:23.025
So if it is on there, you will,

728
00:38:23.165 --> 00:38:25.225
it will be public notice, it will be there.

729
00:38:25.645 --> 00:38:28.025
Is there any kind of timeframe for when a decision will be

730
00:38:28.025 --> 00:38:29.025
Made there is not.

731
00:38:30.905 --> 00:38:34.265
Excellent. Before we move on, let me,

732
00:38:35.345 --> 00:38:37.205
I'm gonna make a couple of comments myself.

733
00:38:38.505 --> 00:38:43.205
Um, in regards to the,

734
00:38:43.785 --> 00:38:47.445
you must be in live in the district

735
00:38:47.855 --> 00:38:49.045
where a complaint is made.

736
00:38:50.805 --> 00:38:53.325
I had something happen to me this past Monday.

737
00:38:53.425 --> 00:38:56.165
As a matter of fact, I was out playing golf.

738
00:38:56.325 --> 00:39:01.285
I was up north and waiting on

739
00:39:01.285 --> 00:39:03.725
the grip in front of me getting ready to hit my tee shot.

740
00:39:03.825 --> 00:39:07.285
And I look over and there is a home over there

741
00:39:07.475 --> 00:39:10.285
that is in the most god awful condition

742
00:39:10.345 --> 00:39:11.525
of anything I've ever seen.

743
00:39:12.825 --> 00:39:17.365
It has v hanging all over it off of the gutters, uh,

744
00:39:19.835 --> 00:39:22.565
mold and mildew all over the back of the house.

745
00:39:23.095 --> 00:39:25.325
Weeds three and four feet high.

746
00:39:27.065 --> 00:39:30.405
And it was embarrassing to me and disgusting.

747
00:39:32.225 --> 00:39:33.445
I'm a village resident.

748
00:39:34.045 --> 00:39:37.405
I should be able to file a complaint on

749
00:39:37.435 --> 00:39:40.085
that particular property, but I don't live there.

750
00:39:40.285 --> 00:39:43.245
I live in District 10, but why shouldn't I be able to do it?

751
00:39:45.515 --> 00:39:49.685
Another Situation, if you live in District 10

752
00:39:49.825 --> 00:39:52.245
and you have to border District nine

753
00:39:52.985 --> 00:39:55.005
and there's a house right down the street from you

754
00:39:55.005 --> 00:39:58.285
that you have to drive by every single time you come

755
00:39:58.285 --> 00:39:59.285
and go from your home,

756
00:40:00.105 --> 00:40:03.005
and they have decided to paint it pink or purple

757
00:40:03.065 --> 00:40:06.725
or whatever, they're in district nine.

758
00:40:07.025 --> 00:40:09.725
I'm in District 10. Why can't I report that?

759
00:40:11.805 --> 00:40:15.085
I don't think it has to do with districts. We are villagers.

760
00:40:15.825 --> 00:40:18.725
We try to do everything together.

761
00:40:18.985 --> 00:40:22.165
We try to keep everything as uniform as we possibly can.

762
00:40:22.745 --> 00:40:25.485
We know the rules aren't the same for every district.

763
00:40:26.455 --> 00:40:29.695
They vary. I won't say greatly,

764
00:40:29.795 --> 00:40:32.215
but they have, I'll say we've, we've kind

765
00:40:32.215 --> 00:40:33.735
of learned our lessons over the years

766
00:40:33.875 --> 00:40:38.015
and things that caused problems later became part of the

767
00:40:38.615 --> 00:40:40.615
restrictions or guidelines or whatever.

768
00:40:40.675 --> 00:40:42.335
And we've tried to live and learn

769
00:40:42.555 --> 00:40:45.575
and avoid problems by changing those.

770
00:40:47.395 --> 00:40:48.895
So they're, they're not the same.

771
00:40:49.075 --> 00:40:51.135
So there's a lot of people that may go out

772
00:40:51.135 --> 00:40:52.295
and file a complaint.

773
00:40:52.915 --> 00:40:56.375
And as we've said, once community standards goes out

774
00:40:56.475 --> 00:41:01.135
and inspects the property, in most cases, if it is not a

775
00:41:01.905 --> 00:41:05.895
valid, uh, violation,

776
00:41:06.915 --> 00:41:07.975
you'll never hear from it.

777
00:41:08.765 --> 00:41:10.255
It's a dead issue. It's gone.

778
00:41:11.005 --> 00:41:14.295
There's no black mark on your record or anything else.

779
00:41:14.395 --> 00:41:17.775
At that point it was found to be not valid.

780
00:41:18.315 --> 00:41:22.375
End of discussion, Mr. McDonald.

781
00:41:22.675 --> 00:41:25.335
You made a statement that you know the main thing

782
00:41:25.355 --> 00:41:27.735
and you admitted, yeah, you've broken some rules

783
00:41:27.795 --> 00:41:29.375
and you've done this, that and the other.

784
00:41:31.285 --> 00:41:34.605
Anonymous or non-anonymous is not gonna change the fact

785
00:41:34.605 --> 00:41:35.685
that you're breaking the rules.

786
00:41:36.755 --> 00:41:40.205
It's just the fact that whether somebody wants to

787
00:41:41.115 --> 00:41:42.125
file a complaint

788
00:41:43.865 --> 00:41:46.365
and you know, whether you've got a name

789
00:41:46.365 --> 00:41:50.475
or not does not lower the number of violations.

790
00:41:51.135 --> 00:41:52.795
It just lets you get away with it.

791
00:41:53.255 --> 00:41:55.635
So I'm just gonna ask you to please follow the rules

792
00:41:56.575 --> 00:41:57.915
and we won't have these problems.

793
00:41:58.985 --> 00:42:03.035
Okay? Are you still gonna consider our, we will discuss it.

794
00:42:03.415 --> 00:42:05.115
Matter of fact, we discussed it last month.

795
00:42:05.435 --> 00:42:10.035
I will bring it up with the board later and podium.

796
00:42:12.495 --> 00:42:14.395
If five other districts are doing this

797
00:42:14.455 --> 00:42:16.395
and they seem to think that it's working for them

798
00:42:16.415 --> 00:42:21.195
and they're discouraging complaints, which they do, um, then

799
00:42:21.225 --> 00:42:22.595
that should tell you something.

800
00:42:23.305 --> 00:42:26.635
Well, I mean, as, I mean, I I understand your feelings

801
00:42:26.635 --> 00:42:28.395
that you think it shouldn't be, uh,

802
00:42:28.455 --> 00:42:30.835
or it should be anonymous or shouldn't be anonymous

803
00:42:31.055 --> 00:42:32.195
or whatever, and

804
00:42:32.195 --> 00:42:34.835
that you think other districts should be able to report.

805
00:42:35.375 --> 00:42:38.275
But the group of us live in Antrim Dales,

806
00:42:38.575 --> 00:42:39.915
we don't border anybody.

807
00:42:40.505 --> 00:42:43.515
There's no reason why anybody else should be reporting any

808
00:42:43.515 --> 00:42:45.075
violations in Antrim Dales

809
00:42:45.705 --> 00:42:47.995
because there nobody rides through there.

810
00:42:48.255 --> 00:42:49.315
Nobody borders.

811
00:42:49.335 --> 00:42:51.835
We don't border any other district or anything like that.

812
00:42:52.575 --> 00:42:56.475
So for us to say we want whoever lives in our neighborhood

813
00:42:57.425 --> 00:43:00.995
only to be able to report is a valid concern.

814
00:43:01.575 --> 00:43:04.195
Uh, and that's not the way that we set up this board.

815
00:43:04.255 --> 00:43:07.315
We don't make exceptions for entry death. Well, and

816
00:43:07.315 --> 00:43:08.475
We're not asking You to or any

817
00:43:08.475 --> 00:43:09.595
other neighborhood, we're

818
00:43:09.595 --> 00:43:10.955
Asking you to pass the rule

819
00:43:10.985 --> 00:43:13.155
that all the other districts have. That's

820
00:43:13.155 --> 00:43:14.355
All we're asking a point of reference.

821
00:43:14.485 --> 00:43:17.955
Those districts, several of them are looking to go back

822
00:43:17.955 --> 00:43:19.115
to anonymous complaints

823
00:43:19.425 --> 00:43:22.715
because of issues that it has caused in that

824
00:43:23.235 --> 00:43:24.675
district from doing away with them.

825
00:43:25.175 --> 00:43:29.755
So time will tell how many of those districts remain

826
00:43:30.305 --> 00:43:33.475
with turning in a name or go back to anonymous complaints.

827
00:43:33.855 --> 00:43:36.355
So I, I wouldn't be quoting all those districts as a

828
00:43:36.355 --> 00:43:38.795
for sure thing because that is not a for sure thing.

829
00:43:38.865 --> 00:43:40.795
Well, my understanding is there's other districts

830
00:43:40.795 --> 00:43:42.915
that are getting on board too, so

831
00:43:43.095 --> 00:43:44.675
You're gonna have other districts

832
00:43:44.675 --> 00:43:45.755
added. That's their opinion.

833
00:43:45.815 --> 00:43:47.955
If other districts Come off, that is their prerogative.

834
00:43:48.015 --> 00:43:49.755
But, you know, but this is what we want.

835
00:43:50.295 --> 00:43:53.555
So, well, what we will do is as the board,

836
00:43:53.695 --> 00:43:55.635
we always have supervisor comments.

837
00:43:55.815 --> 00:43:57.515
If any of us want to bring something up

838
00:43:57.535 --> 00:43:59.875
and have it put on an agenda for a future meeting

839
00:43:59.935 --> 00:44:02.715
to discuss, it will certainly be there.

840
00:44:02.855 --> 00:44:06.155
And you can certainly come back and express your opinions

841
00:44:06.155 --> 00:44:07.355
and so forth at that time.

842
00:44:09.005 --> 00:44:10.915
Thank you. We appreciate your consideration

843
00:44:11.095 --> 00:44:12.095
And thank you all for coming.

844
00:44:12.255 --> 00:44:14.315
Mr. Chairman, I got a quick question for the attorney.

845
00:44:15.135 --> 00:44:19.275
How common you have to come up here and speak, mark.

846
00:44:19.805 --> 00:44:22.355
Would something like there with these little lawn ornaments

847
00:44:22.355 --> 00:44:25.955
or something in, um, a courtyard villa complex, would

848
00:44:25.955 --> 00:44:29.675
that be a petition possibility to it just

849
00:44:29.675 --> 00:44:30.715
because it's a district wide?

850
00:44:31.075 --> 00:44:34.125
Well, the deed restrictions prohibit law ornaments,

851
00:44:34.125 --> 00:44:35.485
so you can't make an exception.

852
00:44:35.485 --> 00:44:37.845
So it's not to make it do a petition on that. Okay.

853
00:44:38.335 --> 00:44:40.205
First of all, name and address please, ma'am. Okay.

854
00:44:40.205 --> 00:44:41.565
My name is Elizabeth Rizzo.

855
00:44:41.805 --> 00:44:45.965
I, I live at 3 8 7 1 East Torch Lake Drive in Antrim Dells.

856
00:44:46.365 --> 00:44:48.925
I had two complaints against me

857
00:44:49.425 --> 00:44:51.285
and one was with a little white cross.

858
00:44:51.995 --> 00:44:55.205
What I found out is when you do this

859
00:44:55.915 --> 00:44:58.285
without knowing who's making these complaints,

860
00:44:58.345 --> 00:45:00.725
you're pitting neighbor against neighbor,

861
00:45:01.075 --> 00:45:02.565
village against village.

862
00:45:02.945 --> 00:45:04.205
And what do I mean by that?

863
00:45:04.815 --> 00:45:08.205
After these two complaints were made about me, one was

864
00:45:08.205 --> 00:45:11.485
because I had a political picture on the,

865
00:45:11.505 --> 00:45:13.125
on my, on my front window.

866
00:45:14.075 --> 00:45:16.525
What I did was I went to other villages

867
00:45:16.665 --> 00:45:21.045
and the very same thing that happened to me, they,

868
00:45:21.195 --> 00:45:24.245
they were, they were not, nothing was done to them.

869
00:45:24.825 --> 00:45:29.045
So I felt that I was targeted. And that's my objection.

870
00:45:29.155 --> 00:45:32.485
Objection. If you're not gonna do this consistently,

871
00:45:32.945 --> 00:45:34.005
it is not fair.

872
00:45:34.785 --> 00:45:37.165
Why should you have a number of people

873
00:45:37.315 --> 00:45:40.685
with the very same thing that, that happened to me

874
00:45:40.785 --> 00:45:42.045
and nothing's happened to them.

875
00:45:43.525 --> 00:45:47.345
The way the system is set up is it is complaint driven.

876
00:45:48.725 --> 00:45:50.225
If there is a complaint filed,

877
00:45:51.055 --> 00:45:53.545
community standards will respond to it

878
00:45:54.005 --> 00:45:56.505
and it will be resolved one way or the other.

879
00:45:56.505 --> 00:45:59.145
Either it is a violation or it's not a violation.

880
00:46:00.825 --> 00:46:05.545
I won't get into the issue of whether little white cross,

881
00:46:05.665 --> 00:46:07.705
a little white cross is a yard ornament.

882
00:46:07.805 --> 00:46:08.985
It is prohibited.

883
00:46:10.965 --> 00:46:15.945
Any kind of signs on your property are prohibited other

884
00:46:15.945 --> 00:46:17.985
than one for sale sign in the window

885
00:46:18.045 --> 00:46:19.105
and the size is limited.

886
00:46:19.565 --> 00:46:23.385
So both of those are valid complaints. I'm sorry, that

887
00:46:24.765 --> 00:46:29.465
My point is these complaints are I, I felt targeted.

888
00:46:30.375 --> 00:46:34.145
When you have neighbors having the very same things on their

889
00:46:34.145 --> 00:46:36.745
lawn and nothing's happening and it's not their fault.

890
00:46:37.265 --> 00:46:40.865
I was targeted and that's what happened here.

891
00:46:41.245 --> 00:46:46.065
You're allowing people to, it might not be for, to,

892
00:46:46.285 --> 00:46:48.905
to, uh, you know, complain about something

893
00:46:49.425 --> 00:46:50.625
horrible like a pink house

894
00:46:50.765 --> 00:46:53.985
or flamingos it, it could be just

895
00:46:54.015 --> 00:46:58.985
that their people are using it to target other people.

896
00:46:59.885 --> 00:47:03.705
So if you're not gonna do it consistently across the board,

897
00:47:04.695 --> 00:47:07.705
then you know it's not fair.

898
00:47:08.765 --> 00:47:11.425
Here's the question I like to ask people when they come up

899
00:47:11.425 --> 00:47:12.825
with this kind of situation, and,

900
00:47:12.925 --> 00:47:14.665
and I'm sorry you feel targeted, but,

901
00:47:14.925 --> 00:47:16.505
and it's not a perfect system,

902
00:47:17.925 --> 00:47:21.705
but I always ask you, you want to know the person's name.

903
00:47:23.305 --> 00:47:26.555
There's only two reasons why you want that person's name.

904
00:47:26.895 --> 00:47:30.045
You either want to confront them about it

905
00:47:30.705 --> 00:47:34.285
and I don't know where that's gonna lead

906
00:47:34.305 --> 00:47:35.365
and I don't want to know

907
00:47:36.145 --> 00:47:38.365
or you wanna apologize to 'em, which is it?

908
00:47:39.315 --> 00:47:43.165
Well, I, I think if you are not a coward,

909
00:47:43.865 --> 00:47:45.525
you would come up to me

910
00:47:46.145 --> 00:47:49.085
and say, Hey look, you know, that's, I just want you

911
00:47:49.085 --> 00:47:52.285
to be aware that that is not, you're not in compliance,

912
00:47:53.145 --> 00:47:55.485
but these are cowards. These

913
00:47:55.485 --> 00:47:56.605
Are people that are,

914
00:47:56.725 --> 00:47:59.085
I I don't wanna be doing any name calling at

915
00:47:59.085 --> 00:48:00.445
all. Well, I don't

916
00:48:00.445 --> 00:48:02.725
Know any names 'cause it's anonymous, so

917
00:48:05.305 --> 00:48:06.305
That's right. Okay,

918
00:48:06.305 --> 00:48:08.045
we're out of time. I'm sorry.

919
00:48:08.155 --> 00:48:10.925
There's one lady in the back. This is gonna be the last one.

920
00:48:15.605 --> 00:48:17.845
I don't need to give my info again, do I? Yes ma'am. Okay.

921
00:48:17.845 --> 00:48:20.885
Diana Ferris 3 7 3 9 Park Drive.

922
00:48:21.505 --> 00:48:23.525
Antrim de And I just wanted to add,

923
00:48:23.675 --> 00:48:25.685
there's three reasons in my opinion

924
00:48:25.995 --> 00:48:30.005
because when we had a complaint filed against us,

925
00:48:31.305 --> 00:48:34.245
my thoughts automatically started thinking, Hmm,

926
00:48:34.925 --> 00:48:38.045
I wonder if my friend, my neighbor,

927
00:48:38.125 --> 00:48:41.165
I know there filed it, who filed this.

928
00:48:41.825 --> 00:48:44.645
It, it doesn't pit neighbors against each other,

929
00:48:44.745 --> 00:48:47.765
but it causes distrust.

930
00:48:48.105 --> 00:48:52.405
It causes suspicion and it's ill, ill will, ill feeling.

931
00:48:52.705 --> 00:48:55.165
So to me that's not a good thing. That's

932
00:48:55.165 --> 00:48:56.165
All. No, it's not. And

933
00:48:56.165 --> 00:48:56.525
that

934
00:48:56.525 --> 00:49:01.005
therefore I recommend to everybody read your

935
00:49:01.535 --> 00:49:04.845
rules and regulations and follow 'em.

936
00:49:05.435 --> 00:49:06.605
That solves the whole problem.

937
00:49:07.425 --> 00:49:09.965
You don't break the rules, you don't get a violation.

938
00:49:10.115 --> 00:49:12.445
Anonymous, non-anonymous. It doesn't matter.

939
00:49:12.785 --> 00:49:15.765
Please follow up the rules. I said I was gonna cut it off.

940
00:49:17.035 --> 00:49:21.485
Good. Follow up. Something attorney says last time,

941
00:49:22.195 --> 00:49:25.965
come to the podium please, pat.

942
00:49:26.155 --> 00:49:27.885
Okey 2 5 9 2 Alade.

943
00:49:28.305 --> 00:49:30.405
Uh, this is a little bit of a, a change

944
00:49:30.465 --> 00:49:31.765
to the thing and that's why I asked.

945
00:49:32.395 --> 00:49:35.645
When I moved in, I signed the deed restrictions.

946
00:49:37.185 --> 00:49:40.555
Now Mr. Boone, I'm sorry,

947
00:49:41.235 --> 00:49:42.595
attorney Brian said,

948
00:49:42.905 --> 00:49:44.835
well the deed restrictions have law

949
00:49:44.835 --> 00:49:46.235
ornaments and we can't change that.

950
00:49:47.585 --> 00:49:51.595
Okay. Um, but we do change the deed restrictions.

951
00:49:51.695 --> 00:49:53.035
You're looking at changing it right now.

952
00:49:53.975 --> 00:49:58.085
Um, I wanted to put a covered

953
00:49:59.515 --> 00:50:01.965
pergola on my property like my neighbor has.

954
00:50:02.785 --> 00:50:06.245
And I was told, well it's not allowed anymore.

955
00:50:06.875 --> 00:50:07.965
It's like, well wait a minute. It's

956
00:50:07.965 --> 00:50:09.045
not against my deed restrictions.

957
00:50:09.065 --> 00:50:11.325
So I'm kind of curious about this

958
00:50:11.485 --> 00:50:12.525
changing deed restrictions.

959
00:50:12.715 --> 00:50:15.005
Okay. I can answer that question very simply.

960
00:50:15.005 --> 00:50:18.165
Number one, this board does not make the rules.

961
00:50:18.705 --> 00:50:22.365
We are given the authority to enforce the rules. Okay?

962
00:50:22.385 --> 00:50:25.885
We don't make them the declarant, the developer,

963
00:50:26.205 --> 00:50:28.875
whatever you want to call him, can change the rules

964
00:50:28.905 --> 00:50:30.035
anytime he wants to.

965
00:50:31.995 --> 00:50:36.615
And they are constantly evolving and changing

966
00:50:37.155 --> 00:50:39.295
and being tweaked and so forth.

967
00:50:39.295 --> 00:50:40.735
Well, but that, but that's from district to district,

968
00:50:40.755 --> 00:50:42.535
not within District 10.

969
00:50:42.595 --> 00:50:44.815
Can they? That is no, they, he can,

970
00:50:45.355 --> 00:50:46.495
the rules can be changed.

971
00:50:46.595 --> 00:50:49.615
We can't change 'em. Okay. Interesting. Okay.

972
00:50:50.875 --> 00:50:52.815
We enforce a be on.

973
00:50:53.555 --> 00:50:54.655
So just for clarity

974
00:50:54.715 --> 00:50:56.695
and make sure we're using the correct words here,

975
00:50:56.875 --> 00:51:00.375
the deed restrictions cannot be changed by this board

976
00:51:00.475 --> 00:51:03.935
or by anybody here other than the developer.

977
00:51:04.415 --> 00:51:06.935
Developer can change the deed restrictions.

978
00:51:07.605 --> 00:51:10.335
This board then adopts its own rule

979
00:51:10.515 --> 00:51:12.695
to enforce those deed restrictions.

980
00:51:13.715 --> 00:51:16.655
So just so we don't get any confused with the words here,

981
00:51:16.655 --> 00:51:18.815
because there was talk about rules and deed restrictions

982
00:51:19.195 --> 00:51:22.855
and those deed restrictions can change by section

983
00:51:23.845 --> 00:51:26.455
because like we could have 51 different sets

984
00:51:26.455 --> 00:51:28.935
of deed restrictions in District 10.

985
00:51:28.965 --> 00:51:32.895
Yeah. Because they can change per section depending on

986
00:51:32.895 --> 00:51:34.575
what the developer wants to do

987
00:51:35.115 --> 00:51:37.095
and include, for example, your restrictions.

988
00:51:37.315 --> 00:51:40.255
How beg pardon your restrictions in Perry Villas will be

989
00:51:40.255 --> 00:51:41.855
different than what Mono Right.

990
00:51:41.855 --> 00:51:44.735
Because or what Anybody else. Designer versus coyerville.

991
00:51:44.735 --> 00:51:47.815
Correct. Okay. I live in Hillsborough in our deeds it

992
00:51:47.815 --> 00:51:49.135
requires a two car garage.

993
00:51:49.135 --> 00:51:50.455
Certain amount of square footage.

994
00:51:50.835 --> 00:51:53.255
You go down to chitty chatty, they have carports. Right.

995
00:51:53.555 --> 00:51:55.295
So they've changed those restrictions for

996
00:51:55.295 --> 00:51:57.615
that particular area to allow that.

997
00:51:57.875 --> 00:51:59.255
But that the developer does that.

998
00:51:59.275 --> 00:52:01.775
We have no control over that whatsoever. Okay.

999
00:52:01.855 --> 00:52:05.095
I was just kind of curious how it got changed that a um,

1000
00:52:05.495 --> 00:52:07.895
a RC approved a covered Pergo law

1001
00:52:08.555 --> 00:52:11.135
and then they decided we're not doing it anymore.

1002
00:52:11.675 --> 00:52:14.295
That's a A RC not de restrict. Okay.

1003
00:52:14.295 --> 00:52:16.175
And I, although I did the resident academy three years ago,

1004
00:52:17.975 --> 00:52:20.495
A RC is a district entity, aren't they?

1005
00:52:21.725 --> 00:52:23.975
They cover all districts. Right. Okay.

1006
00:52:23.995 --> 00:52:26.575
And as long as to answer part of your question on that,

1007
00:52:26.935 --> 00:52:28.855
'cause I was on the board at the time that that changed,

1008
00:52:29.335 --> 00:52:31.215
a lot of that had to do with Sumter County

1009
00:52:31.275 --> 00:52:33.775
and the way that they wanted to change it as to whether

1010
00:52:33.775 --> 00:52:37.455
that was a room addition or Okay.

1011
00:52:37.755 --> 00:52:39.375
How it was treated. Um, are we,

1012
00:52:39.395 --> 00:52:41.215
are you talking about metal roofs today?

1013
00:52:42.745 --> 00:52:44.045
Yes. Yes. That was on the agenda.

1014
00:52:44.265 --> 00:52:46.965
Are you gonna have a comment period for that later? Okay.

1015
00:52:46.965 --> 00:52:49.845
When it comes up. Alright, thank you. Okay. Alright,

1016
00:52:51.025 --> 00:52:53.045
Mr. May I made one comment.

1017
00:52:53.505 --> 00:52:56.685
Um, the reason that the anonymous complaint system

1018
00:52:56.865 --> 00:52:59.685
or complaint system period arose is

1019
00:52:59.685 --> 00:53:02.765
because when we each signed the deed restrictions,

1020
00:53:03.345 --> 00:53:04.885
we can civilly sue each other.

1021
00:53:05.545 --> 00:53:06.925
So if you come to my house

1022
00:53:06.945 --> 00:53:09.325
and you don't like something that's compliant, you know,

1023
00:53:09.325 --> 00:53:10.685
if you think it's out of compliance

1024
00:53:10.685 --> 00:53:13.805
with the deed restrictions, you can't civilly sue me

1025
00:53:14.155 --> 00:53:16.765
because you signed the thing, the original,

1026
00:53:16.965 --> 00:53:19.765
I signed the original so you can file a

1027
00:53:19.765 --> 00:53:20.805
civil suit against me.

1028
00:53:21.145 --> 00:53:23.725
The villages doesn't want neighbors suing neighbors.

1029
00:53:24.305 --> 00:53:28.845
And so that's why the, um, complaint system arose

1030
00:53:29.225 --> 00:53:30.605
so that we can have someone go out,

1031
00:53:30.605 --> 00:53:31.765
check the violation, is it,

1032
00:53:32.385 --> 00:53:33.685
Is It a violation or not?

1033
00:53:34.145 --> 00:53:35.805
And then, you know, proceed from there.

1034
00:53:38.875 --> 00:53:40.765
Okay. End of discussion on that.

1035
00:53:40.815 --> 00:53:43.005
We're gonna move on now down our agenda.

1036
00:53:43.075 --> 00:53:44.525
Back to the consent agenda.

1037
00:53:45.335 --> 00:53:46.845
First item will be the approval

1038
00:53:46.865 --> 00:53:48.285
of minutes from the previous meeting.

1039
00:53:50.145 --> 00:53:52.765
Anyone have any comments, changes, modifications?

1040
00:53:52.905 --> 00:53:57.005
If not, I will accept a motion.

1041
00:53:57.825 --> 00:53:59.925
Motion to approve the minutes from the previous meeting.

1042
00:54:00.665 --> 00:54:04.485
Second, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye.

1043
00:54:04.665 --> 00:54:06.925
Aye. Motion approved.

1044
00:54:08.075 --> 00:54:09.405
Next item will be approval

1045
00:54:09.465 --> 00:54:12.685
of fiscal year 20 25, 26 meeting scheduled.

1046
00:54:12.755 --> 00:54:16.285
Anybody have any questions, comments, need any

1047
00:54:17.125 --> 00:54:19.325
reminders and modification? A

1048
00:54:19.565 --> 00:54:21.645
Reminder, good afternoon board members.

1049
00:54:21.705 --> 00:54:23.605
So you will note that this is

1050
00:54:23.605 --> 00:54:24.885
adjusting your meeting schedule.

1051
00:54:25.025 --> 00:54:27.245
It will beginning October, be the Wednesday

1052
00:54:27.245 --> 00:54:30.285
before the second Friday at 10:00 AM Um,

1053
00:54:30.285 --> 00:54:32.725
the clerk's office will be sending the reminders,

1054
00:54:32.785 --> 00:54:35.805
but um, please make sure you take the new dates and,

1055
00:54:35.865 --> 00:54:37.005
and set them in your calendar.

1056
00:54:37.315 --> 00:54:40.645
They're already there and my wife approved

1057
00:54:40.645 --> 00:54:44.605
it. Okay.

1058
00:54:45.425 --> 00:54:46.925
We will need to a motion to adjust

1059
00:54:46.925 --> 00:54:47.925
That. Yes, I need a motion.

1060
00:54:47.925 --> 00:54:48.325
I move.

1061
00:54:48.325 --> 00:54:49.365
We approve the fiscal year.

1062
00:54:49.365 --> 00:54:51.365
20 25, 20 26. Meeting schedule.

1063
00:54:51.465 --> 00:54:55.085
Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye.

1064
00:54:55.145 --> 00:54:57.365
Aye. Motion to passed past.

1065
00:54:58.465 --> 00:55:03.205
Moving on to new business deed restriction need

1066
00:55:03.205 --> 00:55:04.805
and clean rule enforcement.

1067
00:55:07.035 --> 00:55:09.565
Good afternoon board, Shannon Boyd Community standards.

1068
00:55:09.825 --> 00:55:12.405
Um, today I'm here to discuss with you enforcement of neat

1069
00:55:12.405 --> 00:55:14.365
and clean rule within the deed restrictions.

1070
00:55:14.825 --> 00:55:16.245
So the District 10 board

1071
00:55:16.245 --> 00:55:19.525
of supervisors has developed general provisions in Appendix

1072
00:55:19.725 --> 00:55:22.565
B and defined maintenance in the adopted standard

1073
00:55:22.565 --> 00:55:25.205
definitions for all properties within District 10.

1074
00:55:25.815 --> 00:55:27.205
Staff would like to amend

1075
00:55:27.205 --> 00:55:29.725
and restate the rules to bring about deed compliance

1076
00:55:29.825 --> 00:55:32.645
and standards definitions to create a process

1077
00:55:32.955 --> 00:55:36.525
that would allow for any complaint received for a violation

1078
00:55:36.865 --> 00:55:38.965
of any part of the general provision

1079
00:55:39.265 --> 00:55:41.885
and defined maintenance standard will result in a

1080
00:55:41.885 --> 00:55:44.885
comprehensive review of the property's compliance.

1081
00:55:45.195 --> 00:55:47.165
With the entirety of these provisions,

1082
00:55:47.885 --> 00:55:50.165
district staff will inspect all applicable maintenance

1083
00:55:50.405 --> 00:55:52.245
standards during their site visit.

1084
00:55:52.765 --> 00:55:55.765
Regardless of the specific nature of the original complaint.

1085
00:55:56.765 --> 00:55:59.165
District staff would also like to include a new addition

1086
00:55:59.165 --> 00:56:02.685
to appendix fee and the standards to include the cleaning up

1087
00:56:02.685 --> 00:56:06.005
of miscellaneous landscaping debris in the spring

1088
00:56:06.065 --> 00:56:09.245
of rogue Vine growth into these documents and the matrix

1089
00:56:09.305 --> 00:56:13.525
and fine schedule staff recommends the board discuss the

1090
00:56:13.525 --> 00:56:16.165
topic and approve the advertisement to amend

1091
00:56:16.165 --> 00:56:18.525
and restate the rules to bring about deed compliance

1092
00:56:18.905 --> 00:56:21.885
for an October 8th, 2025 public hearing.

1093
00:56:22.185 --> 00:56:24.325
And I'm here to answer any questions that you may have.

1094
00:56:26.425 --> 00:56:27.725
Any Questions? Yeah, Shannon,

1095
00:56:27.925 --> 00:56:30.805
I don't understand this part about ma maintenance standards

1096
00:56:30.805 --> 00:56:33.845
will result in a comprehensive review

1097
00:56:33.945 --> 00:56:37.245
of the property's compliance with the entirety

1098
00:56:37.425 --> 00:56:38.485
of these provisions.

1099
00:56:39.565 --> 00:56:42.205
District staff will inspect all its applicable maintenance

1100
00:56:42.405 --> 00:56:44.005
standards during the site visit regardless

1101
00:56:44.105 --> 00:56:47.565
of the specific nature of original complaint this means.

1102
00:56:48.235 --> 00:56:50.365
Okay. So what that means is, for example,

1103
00:56:50.465 --> 00:56:53.445
if say right now we receive a complaint for overgrown grass

1104
00:56:53.445 --> 00:56:55.565
and weeds, that's what staff

1105
00:56:55.565 --> 00:56:56.965
and the, these compliance officers are

1106
00:56:56.965 --> 00:56:58.085
going out there to verify.

1107
00:56:58.465 --> 00:57:02.085
Now, say a week later we might get a report

1108
00:57:02.145 --> 00:57:03.725
of there being mold on the home.

1109
00:57:03.985 --> 00:57:06.765
So to alleviate that, when staff goes out there

1110
00:57:07.225 --> 00:57:09.005
to address the overgrown grass

1111
00:57:09.025 --> 00:57:10.565
and weeds, they're also gonna look

1112
00:57:10.565 --> 00:57:11.965
to see if there's mold on the home

1113
00:57:12.225 --> 00:57:14.085
to see if there's overgrown shrubbery

1114
00:57:14.465 --> 00:57:17.885
to see if there's miscellaneous landscaping, debris,

1115
00:57:18.805 --> 00:57:20.165
anything that we can maintain,

1116
00:57:20.215 --> 00:57:22.205
we're gonna go out there under that neat and clean

1117
00:57:22.205 --> 00:57:25.645
and look for that way we're not addressing one situation

1118
00:57:25.665 --> 00:57:27.285
and then get another complaint a week

1119
00:57:27.285 --> 00:57:29.965
or two later, um, where we're getting another one

1120
00:57:29.985 --> 00:57:31.845
for a different violation on that same property.

1121
00:57:32.265 --> 00:57:34.005
But you're only dealing with the neat

1122
00:57:34.025 --> 00:57:35.965
and clean aspect of it, correct?

1123
00:57:36.015 --> 00:57:37.285
We're not going out there

1124
00:57:37.385 --> 00:57:40.525
to determine whether there's lawn ornaments or No,

1125
00:57:41.835 --> 00:57:43.445
Just the need and clean aspect. Yes, sir.

1126
00:57:43.755 --> 00:57:45.765
Just a little more, as you said, comprehensive.

1127
00:57:45.955 --> 00:57:48.805
Correct. A comprehensive encompasses, so you're going

1128
00:57:48.805 --> 00:57:50.805
to consider grass and overgrown reeds.

1129
00:57:50.825 --> 00:57:52.565
We a maintenance standards complaint

1130
00:57:52.565 --> 00:57:53.605
and you're going to go out

1131
00:57:53.665 --> 00:57:56.565
and you're going to assess all maintenance standards

1132
00:57:56.625 --> 00:57:57.765
on the property, correct?

1133
00:57:57.825 --> 00:57:59.965
Yes ma'am. Rather than limiting yourself to,

1134
00:57:59.975 --> 00:58:01.325
right? Correct. Yeah,

1135
00:58:01.405 --> 00:58:03.725
I would prefer that this wording be tightened up

1136
00:58:03.725 --> 00:58:06.885
because, um, as the chairman said,

1137
00:58:07.465 --> 00:58:08.965
it just pertains to neat and clean.

1138
00:58:09.225 --> 00:58:11.565
Not the landscape wall's too close to the property line

1139
00:58:11.565 --> 00:58:13.125
or it's too high or anything like that.

1140
00:58:13.835 --> 00:58:16.925
It's just about need and clean. It's in the heading.

1141
00:58:17.385 --> 00:58:19.805
But it wasn't clear to me when I read this

1142
00:58:20.235 --> 00:58:22.365
that it just pertains to need and clean.

1143
00:58:22.725 --> 00:58:24.045
I I'm not as concerned about that.

1144
00:58:24.245 --> 00:58:26.485
'cause it does talk about part of the general provisions

1145
00:58:26.485 --> 00:58:28.365
and defined maintenance standards, right.

1146
00:58:28.825 --> 00:58:30.205
Of the, of the, and

1147
00:58:30.265 --> 00:58:32.285
so it will result any comprehensive review

1148
00:58:32.285 --> 00:58:34.045
of the property compliance with the entirety

1149
00:58:34.065 --> 00:58:36.165
of these provisions, meaning the maintenance standards.

1150
00:58:37.515 --> 00:58:40.725
Correct. So at the, if you decide to move forward

1151
00:58:40.725 --> 00:58:43.485
with this at the public hearing, we would have the draft

1152
00:58:43.625 --> 00:58:44.805
of the verbiage

1153
00:58:44.835 --> 00:58:47.285
that would be in the appendix fee to include those items.

1154
00:58:47.395 --> 00:58:48.395
Okay.

1155
00:58:49.885 --> 00:58:51.365
I mean, I'm in favor of the concept,

1156
00:58:51.745 --> 00:58:56.165
but, um, to me the wording was con confusing enough

1157
00:58:56.165 --> 00:58:57.245
that I hadn't raised the

1158
00:58:57.285 --> 00:58:58.285
Question correct.

1159
00:58:58.475 --> 00:58:59.685
This isn't the final document

1160
00:58:59.755 --> 00:59:00.755
Correct. This is

1161
00:59:00.755 --> 00:59:02.685
just to get the board's agreeance

1162
00:59:02.685 --> 00:59:04.165
that you would like to see that change.

1163
00:59:04.305 --> 00:59:07.285
And we'll present to you the finalized language

1164
00:59:07.835 --> 00:59:10.965
that will specify what they're looking at when they re under

1165
00:59:10.965 --> 00:59:12.045
the neat and clean umbrella.

1166
00:59:13.225 --> 00:59:15.205
I'd like to make a motion that we accept the neat

1167
00:59:15.205 --> 00:59:16.365
and clean rule enforcement

1168
00:59:16.385 --> 00:59:18.605
and allow, um, community standards

1169
00:59:18.605 --> 00:59:23.245
to go forwards in drafting the uh, uh, correct content.

1170
00:59:24.385 --> 00:59:27.365
Second. All right. We have a motion and a second.

1171
00:59:27.425 --> 00:59:29.005
All in favor? Aye. Aye.

1172
00:59:30.575 --> 00:59:31.885
Thank you board. Thank you.

1173
00:59:36.275 --> 00:59:38.405
Okay, next item.

1174
00:59:38.505 --> 00:59:42.885
We have a public hearing case number D 10 0 6 25

1175
00:59:44.715 --> 00:59:47.885
Development District 10 versus John T. Carter

1176
00:59:47.985 --> 00:59:49.085
and Susan E. Carter.

1177
00:59:50.105 --> 00:59:51.725
Uh, yes, I'll quick overview.

1178
00:59:51.725 --> 00:59:55.085
But it's case number D 10 dash 15 dash 25, correct? Mm-hmm.

1179
00:59:55.165 --> 00:59:56.445
Correct. Okay. Uh,

1180
00:59:56.445 --> 00:59:58.845
and public hearings, the board of supervisors acts

1181
00:59:58.845 --> 00:59:59.925
as both the judge and jury.

1182
01:00:00.345 --> 01:00:02.205
In that capacity, the board will consider evidence,

1183
01:00:02.205 --> 01:00:04.285
make findings of fact, and draw conclusions of law.

1184
01:00:04.585 --> 01:00:06.725
During the hearing, the board may only receive evidence from

1185
01:00:06.885 --> 01:00:08.125
district staff, the property owner,

1186
01:00:08.145 --> 01:00:10.085
and those will be substantially directly affected

1187
01:00:10.105 --> 01:00:11.365
by the outcome of the board's decision.

1188
01:00:11.825 --> 01:00:13.485
The board is required to limit testimony

1189
01:00:13.485 --> 01:00:15.605
to relevant evidence as it relates to the matter

1190
01:00:15.605 --> 01:00:17.925
before it, at the conclusion, the public hearing,

1191
01:00:17.945 --> 01:00:20.165
the board will need to determine whether staff presented

1192
01:00:20.405 --> 01:00:22.405
competent, substantial evidence to support a finding

1193
01:00:22.405 --> 01:00:23.485
of the alleged violation.

1194
01:00:24.145 --> 01:00:25.925
And if so, the board must enter an order

1195
01:00:25.925 --> 01:00:27.445
of enforcement against the property owner.

1196
01:00:27.945 --> 01:00:29.165
If there's anyone here who will be

1197
01:00:29.165 --> 01:00:30.605
testifying, please stand and raise your right hand.

1198
01:00:34.545 --> 01:00:37.485
Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony

1199
01:00:37.545 --> 01:00:39.885
and evidence you're about given the hearing today will be

1200
01:00:39.885 --> 01:00:41.685
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but be true?

1201
01:00:41.905 --> 01:00:45.405
Yes, I do. Can I open the public hearing at this time?

1202
01:00:45.455 --> 01:00:49.405
We'll open the public hearing just for clarification, um,

1203
01:00:49.785 --> 01:00:52.005
on the agenda, if you could correct that.

1204
01:00:52.195 --> 01:00:56.045
Case number 2 1 5 instead

1205
01:00:56.045 --> 01:00:57.725
of oh six. Thank you.

1206
01:00:58.715 --> 01:01:00.645
Proceed. Good afternoon Board Shannon

1207
01:01:00.755 --> 01:01:01.965
Boyd, community Standards.

1208
01:01:01.965 --> 01:01:06.125
Today I have before you case number D one zero dash 15 dash

1209
01:01:06.185 --> 01:01:09.605
25 Village Community Development District number 10 versus

1210
01:01:09.795 --> 01:01:12.205
John T. Carter and Susan E. Carter.

1211
01:01:12.245 --> 01:01:14.125
Individually and as trustees

1212
01:01:14.465 --> 01:01:18.725
of the Carter Family Trust dated April 13th, 2020

1213
01:01:18.865 --> 01:01:21.485
1 4 3 1 Jungle Plum Way,

1214
01:01:21.635 --> 01:01:25.885
unit 1 9 1 Lot 1 3 9 violation of the district's rule

1215
01:01:25.885 --> 01:01:27.125
to bring about deep compliance

1216
01:01:27.225 --> 01:01:28.325
and specifically the rule

1217
01:01:28.325 --> 01:01:31.565
that states owner shall keep their home sites neat and clean

1218
01:01:31.585 --> 01:01:33.325
and the grass cut, irrigated

1219
01:01:33.325 --> 01:01:35.365
and edged at all times in the village.

1220
01:01:35.365 --> 01:01:37.325
Community Development District number 10,

1221
01:01:37.645 --> 01:01:40.405
external deed restriction standards maintenance shall mean

1222
01:01:40.405 --> 01:01:43.285
the exercise of reasonable care to keep buildings,

1223
01:01:43.605 --> 01:01:44.645
landscaping, lighting lawns,

1224
01:01:44.645 --> 01:01:46.005
and other related improvements in

1225
01:01:46.005 --> 01:01:47.245
fixtures and good conditions.

1226
01:01:47.985 --> 01:01:50.125
On April 7th, the complaint was received

1227
01:01:50.125 --> 01:01:51.405
regarding a tarp on the roof.

1228
01:01:51.705 --> 01:01:53.045
The violation was verified

1229
01:01:53.045 --> 01:01:54.645
and staff spoke with the homeowners

1230
01:01:54.645 --> 01:01:57.805
and explained the a RC process for a roof replacement

1231
01:01:58.185 --> 01:01:59.285
and to advise staff

1232
01:01:59.285 --> 01:02:01.965
of any updates on the replacement of the roof.

1233
01:02:02.365 --> 01:02:04.805
A deed restriction reminder was written on April 9th

1234
01:02:05.145 --> 01:02:07.485
and the initial and second letters were sent out on

1235
01:02:07.485 --> 01:02:08.725
May 5th and June 3rd.

1236
01:02:09.095 --> 01:02:11.245
After following the procedures of compliance

1237
01:02:11.265 --> 01:02:13.565
of external deed restrictions, a notice

1238
01:02:13.625 --> 01:02:15.445
of public hearing was sent by regular

1239
01:02:15.905 --> 01:02:17.845
and certified mail on June 19th.

1240
01:02:18.585 --> 01:02:23.005
On May 21st, a RC application number 1 7 6 4 1 9

1241
01:02:23.425 --> 01:02:25.445
was approved for the reroof staff.

1242
01:02:25.455 --> 01:02:28.285
Spoke with Mr. Carter to get an update on the situation.

1243
01:02:28.705 --> 01:02:31.645
Mr. Carter stated that recently the claim had been settled

1244
01:02:31.715 --> 01:02:32.845
with the insurance company

1245
01:02:33.105 --> 01:02:35.165
and the roofing contractors are scheduled

1246
01:02:35.385 --> 01:02:38.005
to begin the replacement On August 19th.

1247
01:02:38.425 --> 01:02:41.525
During the inspection of, uh, the property on August 12th,

1248
01:02:41.785 --> 01:02:43.245
it was determined that the property

1249
01:02:43.245 --> 01:02:44.605
remains out of compliance.

1250
01:02:45.155 --> 01:02:46.605
Staff's recommendation would be

1251
01:02:46.605 --> 01:02:47.925
to find the owners in violation

1252
01:02:47.925 --> 01:02:50.405
of the district's de compliance rules as cited

1253
01:02:50.405 --> 01:02:53.085
by the DE compliance staff owners have 30 days

1254
01:02:53.085 --> 01:02:55.365
to remove the tarp from the roof and repair

1255
01:02:55.385 --> 01:02:57.565
or replace the roof in accordance

1256
01:02:57.565 --> 01:02:59.725
with the District 10 Architectural Review manual

1257
01:02:59.865 --> 01:03:00.925
in District 10 rule.

1258
01:03:01.425 --> 01:03:03.125
If the tarp is removed from the roof

1259
01:03:03.125 --> 01:03:04.525
and the roof has been repaired

1260
01:03:04.545 --> 01:03:05.925
or replaced in accordance

1261
01:03:06.115 --> 01:03:09.485
with the District 10 Architectural Review manual in District

1262
01:03:09.505 --> 01:03:12.445
10 rule, and the property is brought into compliance within

1263
01:03:12.445 --> 01:03:14.605
30 days of the Order of Enforcement,

1264
01:03:14.915 --> 01:03:18.845
case number D 10 dash 15 dash 25 shall be closed.

1265
01:03:19.465 --> 01:03:21.245
If the tarp is not removed from the roof

1266
01:03:21.245 --> 01:03:22.845
and the roof has not been repaired

1267
01:03:22.865 --> 01:03:24.605
or replaced in accordance

1268
01:03:24.605 --> 01:03:27.765
with the District 10 Architectural Review manual in District

1269
01:03:27.825 --> 01:03:30.765
10 rule, and the property is not brought into compliance

1270
01:03:30.765 --> 01:03:35.205
within 30 days of the Order of enforcement, impose $150 fine

1271
01:03:35.205 --> 01:03:37.125
to be paid within 10 days of the invoice

1272
01:03:37.465 --> 01:03:39.365
and impose a $50 daily fine

1273
01:03:39.375 --> 01:03:41.285
until the property is brought into compliance.

1274
01:03:41.865 --> 01:03:43.925
If the property is not brought into compliance

1275
01:03:44.025 --> 01:03:46.765
as required herein, staff shall record this Order

1276
01:03:46.765 --> 01:03:49.245
of Enforcement claim of lien in the public records

1277
01:03:49.265 --> 01:03:50.565
of Sumter County, Florida.

1278
01:03:51.105 --> 01:03:53.125
It is a property owner's responsibility

1279
01:03:53.185 --> 01:03:55.325
to contact the Community Standards Department

1280
01:03:55.505 --> 01:03:58.525
to request a deed compliance officer revisit the property

1281
01:03:58.545 --> 01:03:59.645
to confirm compliance.

1282
01:04:00.185 --> 01:04:03.045
If the fines reach $1,500, the case shall be turned over

1283
01:04:03.045 --> 01:04:05.765
to district counsel to seek all available remedies,

1284
01:04:05.765 --> 01:04:08.605
which may include initiating a lawsuit in seeking an

1285
01:04:08.605 --> 01:04:10.245
injunction against the property owners.

1286
01:04:10.785 --> 01:04:12.605
The property owners are responsible

1287
01:04:12.605 --> 01:04:15.405
for reimbursing the district for all attorney's fees, costs,

1288
01:04:15.465 --> 01:04:17.645
and expenses associated with

1289
01:04:17.665 --> 01:04:20.565
or related to this Order of Enforcement claim of lien.

1290
01:04:21.025 --> 01:04:22.965
If the property is brought into compliance

1291
01:04:23.025 --> 01:04:25.925
and all fines are paid, the Chairman authorizes staff

1292
01:04:25.925 --> 01:04:28.605
to execute and record a satisfaction

1293
01:04:28.625 --> 01:04:30.245
and release of claim of Lien

1294
01:04:30.385 --> 01:04:32.645
and chairman to execute the order of enforcement.

1295
01:04:32.825 --> 01:04:35.085
And I'm here to answer any questions that you may have.

1296
01:04:38.995 --> 01:04:41.725
Supervisors, any questions? Nope. Nope.

1297
01:04:44.435 --> 01:04:46.325
Okay. Thank you.

1298
01:04:48.025 --> 01:04:51.005
Uh, I believe Mr. Carter, you're here if you would like

1299
01:04:51.025 --> 01:04:52.525
to make any comments

1300
01:04:52.745 --> 01:04:54.405
or have any questions about the process.

1301
01:04:56.445 --> 01:04:59.845
I think the only question I have, I'm a little confused on

1302
01:05:00.555 --> 01:05:03.605
this, uh, review application, uh,

1303
01:05:04.105 --> 01:05:07.045
for architectural review document.

1304
01:05:07.185 --> 01:05:11.525
It said on the second page, paragraph three, item two

1305
01:05:11.635 --> 01:05:14.285
that I have, I thought nine months

1306
01:05:14.995 --> 01:05:17.405
from the date the application was approved

1307
01:05:18.185 --> 01:05:20.445
to get the repairs completed.

1308
01:05:21.065 --> 01:05:24.165
But I, you do have the nine months as far

1309
01:05:24.305 --> 01:05:27.365
as the approval process is concerned,

1310
01:05:27.465 --> 01:05:30.125
but you have an active violation

1311
01:05:30.945 --> 01:05:33.405
and it has nothing to do with that approval.

1312
01:05:35.115 --> 01:05:37.315
I mean, you could, you could wait nine months to do it,

1313
01:05:37.335 --> 01:05:40.115
but you're gonna be paying fines for the entire time

1314
01:05:40.165 --> 01:05:43.115
after the 30 day or whatever we decide.

1315
01:05:43.705 --> 01:05:46.115
Okay. 30 days from what date now?

1316
01:05:47.045 --> 01:05:50.985
It would be basically 30 days. From today's date.

1317
01:05:51.495 --> 01:05:52.745
From today? Yes.

1318
01:05:52.925 --> 01:05:57.345
So I You've already got your roofer scheduled. Right.

1319
01:05:57.345 --> 01:05:58.785
Are you comfortable with that schedule?

1320
01:05:59.095 --> 01:06:01.945
Well, I am unless a hurricane changes things next week.

1321
01:06:02.255 --> 01:06:04.425
Okay. Well I can understand that we can't help,

1322
01:06:05.165 --> 01:06:06.185
we can't help you with that either.

1323
01:06:06.685 --> 01:06:10.905
The way things have been going, what we can do is based on

1324
01:06:11.415 --> 01:06:13.945
staff's recommendation, if we decide to go with

1325
01:06:13.945 --> 01:06:17.385
that recommendation, you will have 30 days if something

1326
01:06:17.535 --> 01:06:19.265
untenable happens between now

1327
01:06:19.265 --> 01:06:22.345
and then, you can always come back to this board

1328
01:06:22.525 --> 01:06:27.105
and request additional time with reasonable.

1329
01:06:27.255 --> 01:06:30.305
Yeah. Well hopefully that won't be necessary. Correct.

1330
01:06:30.305 --> 01:06:31.665
They're supposed to deliver the shingles

1331
01:06:31.945 --> 01:06:33.025
and supplies Monday,

1332
01:06:33.965 --> 01:06:35.625
so maybe that'll help hold the roof on

1333
01:06:35.625 --> 01:06:36.785
if we do get some big wins.

1334
01:06:36.785 --> 01:06:37.865
Okay. Alright.

1335
01:06:38.145 --> 01:06:39.665
I would suggest you let them know

1336
01:06:39.665 --> 01:06:41.065
that you've got this deadline

1337
01:06:41.125 --> 01:06:44.225
and you've got these fines imposed and Oh, they know.

1338
01:06:44.575 --> 01:06:47.385
Okay. So that keep pushing on them to make sure

1339
01:06:47.385 --> 01:06:48.945
that they meet their deadlines.

1340
01:06:50.285 --> 01:06:53.785
It, it is been State Farm and, and between the attorneys

1341
01:06:53.805 --> 01:06:55.465
and I still have got no money,

1342
01:06:56.525 --> 01:06:58.825
but they, they keep reassuring me

1343
01:06:58.825 --> 01:07:00.345
that it's in the pipeline, so.

1344
01:07:00.695 --> 01:07:03.225
Okay. Any other questions

1345
01:07:03.245 --> 01:07:05.265
or comments you'd like to make before we proceed?

1346
01:07:05.445 --> 01:07:08.625
So I just call you when they're done with the project

1347
01:07:08.845 --> 01:07:11.225
and you come out and some check it out.

1348
01:07:11.225 --> 01:07:13.265
They were reinspected at that point. Okay.

1349
01:07:13.325 --> 01:07:15.825
If there are no other comments, I will close the

1350
01:07:16.495 --> 01:07:20.085
open hearing of open public hearing.

1351
01:07:21.155 --> 01:07:25.325
Okay. At this point, we just need a

1352
01:07:25.985 --> 01:07:28.685
motion to approve staff's recommendation. Correct.

1353
01:07:28.965 --> 01:07:31.165
I would move that we approve staff's recommendation.

1354
01:07:31.385 --> 01:07:36.285
Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye.

1355
01:07:36.385 --> 01:07:39.565
Aye. Staff recommendation? Motion is approved.

1356
01:07:39.615 --> 01:07:41.245
Thank you. Board. Thank you.

1357
01:07:44.585 --> 01:07:46.845
Moving on to all business.

1358
01:07:47.665 --> 01:07:48.965
Yes. Good afternoon board members.

1359
01:07:49.305 --> 01:07:52.325
The only item on your tracking list is the architectural

1360
01:07:52.325 --> 01:07:56.565
review manual revision, which is item five B, um,

1361
01:07:56.855 --> 01:07:59.525
which Ms. Boyd is prepared to present to you.

1362
01:08:02.145 --> 01:08:04.515
Good afternoon Board Shannon Boyd. Community Standards.

1363
01:08:05.095 --> 01:08:08.915
At your June 5th, 2025 board meeting staff presented

1364
01:08:08.915 --> 01:08:11.155
information regarding re-roofing projects

1365
01:08:11.415 --> 01:08:13.595
and the challenges the a RC residents

1366
01:08:13.595 --> 01:08:16.205
and contractors are facing due to the age of the community

1367
01:08:16.465 --> 01:08:17.645
and obtaining material.

1368
01:08:18.175 --> 01:08:20.205
Staff also outlined metal roofing options

1369
01:08:20.225 --> 01:08:21.845
to help provide guidance on whether

1370
01:08:21.865 --> 01:08:24.445
to allow standing seam style metal roofs.

1371
01:08:24.825 --> 01:08:26.725
The board of supervisors directed staff

1372
01:08:26.745 --> 01:08:29.525
to bring back the proposed a RC manual revisions

1373
01:08:29.665 --> 01:08:30.805
to help alleviate some

1374
01:08:30.805 --> 01:08:33.285
of these challenges while maintaining the integrity

1375
01:08:33.625 --> 01:08:35.725
and design of the compute, uh, community.

1376
01:08:36.145 --> 01:08:39.205
The proposed a RC manual revisions include alternative

1377
01:08:39.205 --> 01:08:41.005
roofing materials to include Tesla,

1378
01:08:41.455 --> 01:08:45.125
other solar manufacturers and metal roofing material options

1379
01:08:45.385 --> 01:08:46.685
and color specifications.

1380
01:08:47.185 --> 01:08:50.005
And incorporating multicolored courtyard villas into the

1381
01:08:50.005 --> 01:08:52.965
manual for guidance on reroofing requirements.

1382
01:08:53.655 --> 01:08:54.885
Staff recommends the board

1383
01:08:54.885 --> 01:08:58.005
of supervisors review the proposed a RC manual changes,

1384
01:08:58.435 --> 01:09:01.325
provide any feedback, and if no recommendations

1385
01:09:01.385 --> 01:09:04.485
or changes are requested, approve the a RC manual

1386
01:09:05.005 --> 01:09:06.325
revisions as presented.

1387
01:09:06.325 --> 01:09:09.365
That would take effect August 14th, 2025.

1388
01:09:09.905 --> 01:09:12.285
And I'm here to answer any questions that you may have.

1389
01:09:12.985 --> 01:09:15.525
And what is a multicolored courtyard villa?

1390
01:09:17.315 --> 01:09:18.725
That would be in District 10.

1391
01:09:18.725 --> 01:09:21.245
The Courtyard Villas, um, were built

1392
01:09:21.315 --> 01:09:23.605
with multiple different colored shingles.

1393
01:09:23.865 --> 01:09:26.565
If you look at some of the other districts, um,

1394
01:09:26.705 --> 01:09:29.285
in the older sections, they were built with one color.

1395
01:09:29.425 --> 01:09:31.005
So the Courtyard villas were all built

1396
01:09:31.005 --> 01:09:33.405
with the same color roof shingle, district 10.

1397
01:09:33.435 --> 01:09:35.165
They all have multi colors in there.

1398
01:09:35.235 --> 01:09:37.525
Unfortunately, the verbiage in the manual

1399
01:09:38.585 --> 01:09:40.005
didn't specify it.

1400
01:09:40.005 --> 01:09:41.525
It had that they all had to match.

1401
01:09:41.545 --> 01:09:42.805
And it's created problems

1402
01:09:42.805 --> 01:09:44.525
with certain members on the A RC committee

1403
01:09:44.555 --> 01:09:45.925
that would have to write this whole thing.

1404
01:09:46.235 --> 01:09:47.325
They don't match in district.

1405
01:09:47.325 --> 01:09:48.485
There's no matching roof

1406
01:09:48.485 --> 01:09:50.325
and it's not a requirement in District 10.

1407
01:09:50.555 --> 01:09:52.285
Shannon, the one question is,

1408
01:09:52.805 --> 01:09:55.245
'cause I still have an objection to the standing seam roof.

1409
01:09:55.965 --> 01:09:57.285
I would like to see the verbiage

1410
01:09:57.515 --> 01:09:59.325
that metal roofs are permitted as long

1411
01:09:59.325 --> 01:10:02.165
as they have a shingle or tile like appearance.

1412
01:10:02.875 --> 01:10:06.005
Because at least that way it's not going to jump out,

1413
01:10:06.305 --> 01:10:07.405
is a standing seam roof

1414
01:10:07.505 --> 01:10:09.405
and that they're going to generally be

1415
01:10:10.055 --> 01:10:11.485
granulated or something.

1416
01:10:12.055 --> 01:10:14.005
Again, they're not gonna look much different than a

1417
01:10:14.005 --> 01:10:15.085
typical shingle roof.

1418
01:10:16.125 --> 01:10:18.005
I, I would agree with that a hundred percent

1419
01:10:18.665 --> 01:10:19.665
And I disagree with that.

1420
01:10:19.765 --> 01:10:21.685
I actually think standing seam rooms are fine.

1421
01:10:22.405 --> 01:10:23.965
I think that, you know,

1422
01:10:23.965 --> 01:10:26.525
what we've done generally in the past mark

1423
01:10:26.595 --> 01:10:30.005
with this board is we have tried to make the

1424
01:10:31.925 --> 01:10:35.085
standards as kind of broad as possible,

1425
01:10:35.145 --> 01:10:38.125
but then allow ARC to make the final decision, you know,

1426
01:10:38.125 --> 01:10:39.165
to make, to make a decision.

1427
01:10:39.225 --> 01:10:40.485
Is that color acceptable?

1428
01:10:40.485 --> 01:10:44.725
Is the reflective quality of the annual team roof too much?

1429
01:10:44.785 --> 01:10:48.405
We want to basically not, um,

1430
01:10:50.265 --> 01:10:53.515
micromanage arc on those decisions because

1431
01:10:53.515 --> 01:10:54.835
They're one A doesn't want a,

1432
01:10:54.835 --> 01:10:56.275
doesn't want that fall in their lap.

1433
01:10:57.195 --> 01:10:59.355
I can tell you from that, we didn't want to, we don't want

1434
01:10:59.355 --> 01:11:01.555
to be the one to approve some bright blue roof.

1435
01:11:02.665 --> 01:11:05.155
They want the board, that's why they had the color

1436
01:11:05.155 --> 01:11:07.995
provisions in there that they had to be similar colors

1437
01:11:08.215 --> 01:11:11.035
to other roofs in the general neighborhood type of thing.

1438
01:11:11.495 --> 01:11:12.955
And yes, ARC can step in

1439
01:11:13.005 --> 01:11:14.725
and still say no to somebody who comes in

1440
01:11:14.725 --> 01:11:15.885
with a bright yellow request.

1441
01:11:16.205 --> 01:11:19.005
'cause there's no reason for that to be, it has to come,

1442
01:11:19.065 --> 01:11:22.365
it comes down to, and we've approved any number of,

1443
01:11:22.465 --> 01:11:25.245
of metal roofs in different types,

1444
01:11:25.625 --> 01:11:27.285
but they had either a shingle like,

1445
01:11:27.825 --> 01:11:30.605
or some vari you've shown variations

1446
01:11:31.145 --> 01:11:34.525
of some tile like appearance that they just wasn't,

1447
01:11:34.915 --> 01:11:37.245
because that has a horizontal to it

1448
01:11:37.355 --> 01:11:38.965
that standard shingles do.

1449
01:11:39.465 --> 01:11:42.645
The standing seam is a bright, shiny, straight up

1450
01:11:42.645 --> 01:11:44.005
and down regardless of the color.

1451
01:11:44.705 --> 01:11:46.205
So I know that you've mentioned

1452
01:11:46.205 --> 01:11:49.525
that the developer is putting standing seam metal roof in

1453
01:11:49.525 --> 01:11:51.365
the new sections that they're building.

1454
01:11:51.985 --> 01:11:55.005
Is there a specific type of canning steam metal roof

1455
01:11:55.005 --> 01:11:56.725
that they're putting there specific color

1456
01:11:56.755 --> 01:11:59.085
that we could actually reference?

1457
01:11:59.245 --> 01:12:00.645
I mean, do they have a standard

1458
01:12:00.995 --> 01:12:02.725
that they are using in the new neighborhoods

1459
01:12:02.795 --> 01:12:04.525
that we could potentially aware?

1460
01:12:04.745 --> 01:12:07.405
Not that I am aware of, but I can research that.

1461
01:12:07.915 --> 01:12:09.565
What neighborhoods are they doing this with?

1462
01:12:09.675 --> 01:12:13.045
I've not seen any standard seamed roofs anywhere.

1463
01:12:13.195 --> 01:12:14.565
I've seen them use that

1464
01:12:15.185 --> 01:12:18.765
as an architectural enhancement over a window or whatever.

1465
01:12:19.425 --> 01:12:22.565
But I've not seen any of the seam roofs anywhere. They

1466
01:12:22.565 --> 01:12:24.365
Already exist in Lake Sumter landing

1467
01:12:24.385 --> 01:12:25.605
and even in Spanish Springs.

1468
01:12:25.605 --> 01:12:27.525
In fact, I was driving down the road the other day

1469
01:12:27.525 --> 01:12:30.645
and I was rather surprised when I looked over at the condos

1470
01:12:31.345 --> 01:12:32.565
in Spanish Springs

1471
01:12:32.565 --> 01:12:35.325
and in one condo block there was a,

1472
01:12:35.375 --> 01:12:39.805
there was a standing seam, a tile in a shingle group

1473
01:12:40.705 --> 01:12:42.085
on different units in the same,

1474
01:12:42.465 --> 01:12:44.485
in the same block. So they're very mixed.

1475
01:12:44.755 --> 01:12:47.525
Well, it wasn't done by the developer. Yes.

1476
01:12:47.825 --> 01:12:50.125
In lakes LSL, they had certain ones

1477
01:12:50.125 --> 01:12:51.845
that developer had control of the homes

1478
01:12:52.195 --> 01:12:53.885
that they did do some standing.

1479
01:12:54.025 --> 01:12:57.045
And I think District four, a former ARC member did,

1480
01:12:57.045 --> 01:12:59.885
they got approval for with all the, you know, environmental

1481
01:12:59.945 --> 01:13:04.485
and, and, uh, insulating powers type of thing.

1482
01:13:04.825 --> 01:13:07.965
But I don't know the developer putting standing sea metal

1483
01:13:08.015 --> 01:13:09.405
roofs on any new home.

1484
01:13:09.465 --> 01:13:12.405
No. Well, I can say that I have driven around,

1485
01:13:12.405 --> 01:13:15.245
since we had this discussion in our last meeting, uh,

1486
01:13:15.245 --> 01:13:16.885
driving around this past month,

1487
01:13:17.085 --> 01:13:20.085
I have seen at least a half dozen standing seam metal roofs

1488
01:13:20.085 --> 01:13:22.525
throughout the villages, which may probably

1489
01:13:22.525 --> 01:13:23.725
don't have approval for it.

1490
01:13:24.105 --> 01:13:27.445
And I don't have a problem with them. I'm, I'm with Holly.

1491
01:13:27.905 --> 01:13:31.245
Uh, depending on, and,

1492
01:13:31.385 --> 01:13:34.125
and I'm sorry to put the burden back on the a RC,

1493
01:13:34.305 --> 01:13:36.125
but it needs to follow

1494
01:13:36.385 --> 01:13:38.445
and needs to be consistent with the

1495
01:13:39.175 --> 01:13:41.165
particular neighborhood and so forth.

1496
01:13:41.575 --> 01:13:44.325
There are certain houses that are fine

1497
01:13:44.625 --> 01:13:46.045
for a standing seam roof.

1498
01:13:46.045 --> 01:13:48.405
They tend to be a little more contemporary or whatever.

1499
01:13:48.715 --> 01:13:51.885
Obviously a traditional type style home with

1500
01:13:52.605 --> 01:13:54.725
southern columns or something, it's gonna look ridiculous.

1501
01:13:55.465 --> 01:13:58.735
But it's an architecture review process

1502
01:13:59.995 --> 01:14:02.495
and I do not want to exclude them. I'm fine with our

1503
01:14:02.495 --> 01:14:04.735
Can always and our can always turn it down

1504
01:14:05.355 --> 01:14:06.815
and then they come, they appeal it

1505
01:14:06.815 --> 01:14:08.615
to this board and then we will look at

1506
01:14:08.615 --> 01:14:10.935
It can turn it down's A permissible rule.

1507
01:14:11.165 --> 01:14:13.085
I agree with Mark. They don't wanna have to deal with it.

1508
01:14:13.085 --> 01:14:15.405
They want us to, you know, be more specific.

1509
01:14:15.745 --> 01:14:18.485
So can you kind of outline a bit more Mark

1510
01:14:18.835 --> 01:14:21.285
what your objection is to the standing scene?

1511
01:14:22.315 --> 01:14:24.565
It's, it's gonna stick out like an infected thumb.

1512
01:14:25.465 --> 01:14:26.725
You got a hundred

1513
01:14:26.825 --> 01:14:29.005
and some odd thousand homes in the villages

1514
01:14:29.025 --> 01:14:32.325
and you can probably count on one hand the number

1515
01:14:32.325 --> 01:14:33.365
that has standing steam roof.

1516
01:14:33.805 --> 01:14:37.765
A vertical shiny metal roof is totally different than every

1517
01:14:37.765 --> 01:14:41.005
neighborhood in the villages we've allowed.

1518
01:14:41.455 --> 01:14:45.725
There are metal roofs that look like shingles you

1519
01:14:45.865 --> 01:14:47.805
unless you went up and that you'd never

1520
01:14:47.835 --> 01:14:49.285
know that it was metal.

1521
01:14:49.865 --> 01:14:52.005
And we've had, we've approved others that have kind

1522
01:14:52.005 --> 01:14:53.605
of a tile like look.

1523
01:14:53.745 --> 01:14:54.845
Mm-hmm. And again,

1524
01:14:55.035 --> 01:14:58.005
because it blends in, it doesn't, like you go down,

1525
01:14:58.545 --> 01:15:00.485
here's somebody with a standing sea roof.

1526
01:15:01.375 --> 01:15:04.115
The consistency in the villages is something this board

1527
01:15:04.115 --> 01:15:05.315
has tried to do.

1528
01:15:05.315 --> 01:15:06.635
We've talked about this with their

1529
01:15:06.635 --> 01:15:07.795
reflectors and everything else.

1530
01:15:08.175 --> 01:15:09.795
Now you can't control different districts

1531
01:15:09.815 --> 01:15:11.315
and some may approve it.

1532
01:15:12.035 --> 01:15:14.355
I just, I said I like standing sea roofs.

1533
01:15:14.945 --> 01:15:16.995
It's just, I don't think it's appropriate for the villages.

1534
01:15:17.255 --> 01:15:18.435
We allow metal roofs,

1535
01:15:19.415 --> 01:15:21.235
but something that looks a little more consistent

1536
01:15:21.235 --> 01:15:23.475
with the phones as they were originally built.

1537
01:15:23.935 --> 01:15:26.635
And that's, say my opinion does align with mark's.

1538
01:15:27.275 --> 01:15:30.875
I I think that I live Overland Hillsborough

1539
01:15:30.875 --> 01:15:33.715
behind the Manatee Rec Center, uh, near you guys.

1540
01:15:33.975 --> 01:15:37.075
And, um, I, I would think driving into my neighborhood all

1541
01:15:37.075 --> 01:15:38.075
of a sudden there's, you know,

1542
01:15:38.075 --> 01:15:40.475
we all have architectural shingle roofs on the house

1543
01:15:40.895 --> 01:15:44.675
and all of a sudden you have a, uh, a single seam, uh,

1544
01:15:45.315 --> 01:15:47.115
aluminum roof, uh, or steel roof.

1545
01:15:47.215 --> 01:15:49.595
It, it is gonna stick out like there's no tomorrow.

1546
01:15:50.275 --> 01:15:54.435
I really think they need to be looking like a shingle.

1547
01:15:54.515 --> 01:15:57.635
I mean, we've been so particular over the color of roofs

1548
01:15:58.175 --> 01:15:59.675
in villas and in houses

1549
01:15:59.895 --> 01:16:02.995
and making sure the the roof matches the house.

1550
01:16:03.615 --> 01:16:05.315
That's not gonna happen with those roofs.

1551
01:16:05.385 --> 01:16:07.115
It's not gonna happen. Um,

1552
01:16:07.895 --> 01:16:11.995
and I, I just think we ought to really fine tune it

1553
01:16:11.995 --> 01:16:15.195
that it needs to look like a shingle or whatever.

1554
01:16:15.355 --> 01:16:17.555
I just don't want to see sheets

1555
01:16:17.555 --> 01:16:19.555
of tin on a roof on a house next to me.

1556
01:16:20.295 --> 01:16:22.115
You know, I've spent a lot of money on this house

1557
01:16:22.135 --> 01:16:23.195
and invested a lot

1558
01:16:23.735 --> 01:16:25.355
and that could turn somebody off

1559
01:16:25.355 --> 01:16:26.635
coming into my neighborhood.

1560
01:16:26.935 --> 01:16:28.835
And I don't want to have that happen to my, my,

1561
01:16:29.015 --> 01:16:30.395
my home or my investment.

1562
01:16:30.895 --> 01:16:33.515
If you've got a, a shingled roof, I'm fine with that.

1563
01:16:33.515 --> 01:16:37.075
If it's, if it's aluminum, as long as it matches somewhat

1564
01:16:37.075 --> 01:16:39.395
to all the rest of the roofs in the neighborhood.

1565
01:16:39.615 --> 01:16:42.315
So I would've be against the single. I

1566
01:16:42.315 --> 01:16:43.555
Agree with Steve and Mark.

1567
01:16:44.215 --> 01:16:46.515
All right, then someone needs to make a motion.

1568
01:16:47.835 --> 01:16:50.235
I, I'll make a motion to approve the revisions

1569
01:16:50.255 --> 01:16:53.995
to the arc manual to include permission for metal roofs

1570
01:16:54.715 --> 01:16:58.635
provided they have a shingle like or tile like appearance.

1571
01:16:59.535 --> 01:17:02.475
So currently right now we have on there in metal roof

1572
01:17:02.525 --> 01:17:05.235
style such as shingle tile or standing seam.

1573
01:17:05.235 --> 01:17:06.755
Would you like it just to remove the standing

1574
01:17:06.865 --> 01:17:07.865
Seam? Just remove the standing seam.

1575
01:17:07.865 --> 01:17:08.435
Okay. Perfect.

1576
01:17:08.735 --> 01:17:09.765
So that is the motion.

1577
01:17:10.025 --> 01:17:14.285
Second, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye.

1578
01:17:14.425 --> 01:17:18.725
Aye. Opposed? Nay. Aye. So it's three to two.

1579
01:17:19.865 --> 01:17:21.245
We delete the standing scene.

1580
01:17:21.815 --> 01:17:22.485
Thank you. Board.

1581
01:17:29.745 --> 01:17:32.245
All right. The next item will be deed restriction

1582
01:17:32.265 --> 01:17:34.845
for age restriction enforcement presentation.

1583
01:17:34.845 --> 01:17:36.485
I, I want, I have one more old business.

1584
01:17:36.745 --> 01:17:38.005
Um, what's happening with

1585
01:17:38.005 --> 01:17:40.205
that road in Antrim de that sinking?

1586
01:17:41.275 --> 01:17:44.495
Is that old? That's old business. You know what

1587
01:17:44.495 --> 01:17:45.975
I'm, I believe that's a Rango way.

1588
01:17:46.275 --> 01:17:47.455
You know what I'm talking about?

1589
01:17:48.685 --> 01:17:50.695
That road that has a big dip in it

1590
01:17:50.805 --> 01:17:52.415
that they're trying to figure out what's the problem.

1591
01:17:52.635 --> 01:17:54.535
We approved, we had approved some

1592
01:17:54.735 --> 01:17:55.895
engineering studies on that road.

1593
01:17:56.235 --> 01:17:57.575
See what, yeah. What's going on?

1594
01:17:59.195 --> 01:18:00.615
We, we approved the money from the

1595
01:18:00.775 --> 01:18:02.015
engineering study last month.

1596
01:18:02.605 --> 01:18:04.295
Correct. Where is that stand?

1597
01:18:04.295 --> 01:18:05.575
That's an old business thing.

1598
01:18:06.075 --> 01:18:07.535
Mr. Wiley is approaching the podium.

1599
01:18:08.105 --> 01:18:10.255
Thank you Mr. Chairman. But that's an old business thing.

1600
01:18:11.495 --> 01:18:12.895
Herschel Wiley, district property

1601
01:18:12.895 --> 01:18:14.095
management assistant director.

1602
01:18:14.325 --> 01:18:16.135
They did further testing and they

1603
01:18:16.355 --> 01:18:17.535
did not find a depression there.

1604
01:18:17.535 --> 01:18:20.015
So what they were gonna do was remove the asphalt, uh,

1605
01:18:20.255 --> 01:18:22.535
regrade the area, recomp and repave.

1606
01:18:22.535 --> 01:18:25.055
They found that it was just settling from maybe a previous

1607
01:18:25.055 --> 01:18:26.575
repair, but they did not find the

1608
01:18:26.575 --> 01:18:27.695
new depression or anything like that.

1609
01:18:27.955 --> 01:18:29.935
Yay. It's not gonna That's good news. Kind of money. Yay.

1610
01:18:30.315 --> 01:18:31.375
Yes. Thank you. Okay.

1611
01:18:32.425 --> 01:18:33.735
Thank you. Once in a while you get lucky.

1612
01:18:35.265 --> 01:18:36.855
We'll get, we'll get an update out

1613
01:18:36.855 --> 01:18:39.135
to the board explaining the results of the No,

1614
01:18:39.135 --> 01:18:40.135
That's very comforting. That's

1615
01:18:40.135 --> 01:18:41.615
not gonna cost us a lot of money.

1616
01:18:42.485 --> 01:18:45.015
Okay. Item five C deed restriction.

1617
01:18:45.155 --> 01:18:47.735
Age restriction enforcement presentation.

1618
01:18:48.195 --> 01:18:51.215
Yes, Mr. Chairman. Um, just to preface this presentation,

1619
01:18:51.355 --> 01:18:54.495
so this, this was reviewed with some of the lower district

1620
01:18:54.595 --> 01:18:56.335
or number district boards last week.

1621
01:18:56.475 --> 01:18:57.455
Um, there were a number of

1622
01:18:57.935 --> 01:18:59.095
questions that were presented to Mr.

1623
01:18:59.365 --> 01:19:03.535
Brianis, um, many of which we expect from other districts.

1624
01:19:04.075 --> 01:19:05.335
So it's, it's your choice.

1625
01:19:05.635 --> 01:19:08.375
You can hear the presentation as is today,

1626
01:19:08.875 --> 01:19:10.535
or if you'd like to wait until Mr.

1627
01:19:10.645 --> 01:19:14.335
Brianne has an opportunity to further review, um, some

1628
01:19:14.335 --> 01:19:15.975
of the age restriction guidelines

1629
01:19:16.155 --> 01:19:19.455
and bring back some more comprehensive information.

1630
01:19:20.245 --> 01:19:21.695
It's, it's, it's your choice.

1631
01:19:21.795 --> 01:19:23.895
But I just wanted to to preface that,

1632
01:19:24.495 --> 01:19:27.345
That there, without going through the entire presentation,

1633
01:19:27.565 --> 01:19:30.065
can you kind of give us an idea of the kind of questions

1634
01:19:30.065 --> 01:19:33.465
that came up and the issues that need to be clarified?

1635
01:19:33.735 --> 01:19:36.505
Lots of questions concerning the 80 20 requirements

1636
01:19:36.565 --> 01:19:37.585
and enforcement of that.

1637
01:19:37.805 --> 01:19:40.345
Um, some of the language in the de restrictions, um,

1638
01:19:40.595 --> 01:19:41.905
pertaining to, uh,

1639
01:19:41.905 --> 01:19:45.345
units containing at least one person being 55 plus.

1640
01:19:45.405 --> 01:19:47.065
And how does that relate to the 80 20?

1641
01:19:48.365 --> 01:19:50.465
That's, that's good questions. I'd like to know that.

1642
01:19:51.055 --> 01:19:52.865
Yeah, lots, lots have had that question.

1643
01:19:52.865 --> 01:19:55.025
So that's what we're looking at. And again, it's up

1644
01:19:55.025 --> 01:19:57.545
to you whether you wanna review it now and again, um,

1645
01:19:57.545 --> 01:19:58.705
after we have those answers

1646
01:19:58.885 --> 01:20:00.705
or whether you'd just rather wait.

1647
01:20:00.725 --> 01:20:02.665
And the only thing I saw

1648
01:20:02.885 --> 01:20:07.025
or didn't see in the information for the presentation

1649
01:20:08.345 --> 01:20:10.965
is if we chose

1650
01:20:11.185 --> 01:20:15.405
to accept this responsibility, um,

1651
01:20:16.435 --> 01:20:20.685
there's nothing in here that allows for any exceptions.

1652
01:20:20.945 --> 01:20:23.325
If you have a situation to where

1653
01:20:24.955 --> 01:20:27.205
someone has had to take over their grandchild

1654
01:20:27.205 --> 01:20:30.125
because perhaps their parents passed away

1655
01:20:30.585 --> 01:20:33.405
or are too ill to be able to take care of 'em

1656
01:20:33.585 --> 01:20:38.575
and they need to give the child a home to stay in

1657
01:20:38.635 --> 01:20:40.215
for more than 30 days or whatever.

1658
01:20:40.595 --> 01:20:45.375
Um, what allowances can we give there?

1659
01:20:45.445 --> 01:20:47.455
What, what provisions can we, none.

1660
01:20:47.635 --> 01:20:49.095
So that is another issue. Okay.

1661
01:20:49.475 --> 01:20:52.575
So that, that's until we can resolve that I,

1662
01:20:52.915 --> 01:20:57.295
I'm not in favor of it, regardless

1663
01:20:57.435 --> 01:20:59.615
of the questions, uh, and the issues.

1664
01:20:59.675 --> 01:21:01.575
And I would like Mark to know those answers

1665
01:21:02.235 --> 01:21:06.215
and I would also like to hear what the presentation is

1666
01:21:06.215 --> 01:21:07.655
after you have that information.

1667
01:21:08.115 --> 01:21:12.455
But I will tell you as of today, I am 100% against

1668
01:21:13.245 --> 01:21:16.375
accepting deed restriction age requirement

1669
01:21:16.375 --> 01:21:18.295
enforcement on a board level.

1670
01:21:19.035 --> 01:21:21.575
Um, when I moved down here, I made a commitment

1671
01:21:21.575 --> 01:21:24.015
with the developer and myself that I was moving

1672
01:21:24.035 --> 01:21:25.775
to an over 55 community.

1673
01:21:26.115 --> 01:21:27.575
He assured me that was the case.

1674
01:21:28.255 --> 01:21:31.335
I invested a lot of money in a home coming into a community

1675
01:21:31.565 --> 01:21:34.295
that I wanted to live in, that was no children.

1676
01:21:34.395 --> 01:21:35.575
Not that I have anything against kids,

1677
01:21:35.595 --> 01:21:38.255
but over 55, no, no children.

1678
01:21:38.955 --> 01:21:41.375
And I paid a premium price for my home

1679
01:21:41.375 --> 01:21:42.575
and to come to this community.

1680
01:21:42.915 --> 01:21:44.015
And it is his job.

1681
01:21:44.515 --> 01:21:45.895
He wrote those restrictions

1682
01:21:46.195 --> 01:21:48.615
and it is his job to reforce enforce them.

1683
01:21:49.155 --> 01:21:51.135
And if it affects the sales, I'm sorry,

1684
01:21:51.235 --> 01:21:53.415
but that is his job to enforce them

1685
01:21:53.995 --> 01:21:57.415
and keep the covenant that he has made with me to allow me

1686
01:21:57.415 --> 01:21:59.895
to live in an over 55 community.

1687
01:22:00.415 --> 01:22:03.015
I don't want this board. We're having enough problem already

1688
01:22:03.125 --> 01:22:06.655
with, uh, with money and we had to do an increase this year.

1689
01:22:06.995 --> 01:22:09.095
If we've gotta start paying lawyer fees

1690
01:22:09.515 --> 01:22:10.935
and all this to enforce this,

1691
01:22:11.045 --> 01:22:13.455
it's gonna cost a fortune if we really want to enforce it.

1692
01:22:13.875 --> 01:22:18.575
And then my concern is, like Jack just said,

1693
01:22:18.635 --> 01:22:19.655
are there any exceptions?

1694
01:22:19.915 --> 01:22:22.735
In my opinion, absolutely not. There are no exceptions.

1695
01:22:23.475 --> 01:22:25.295
And do we want to be the bad guy on this?

1696
01:22:25.395 --> 01:22:28.375
So I, I don't, I wouldn't touch us with the 10 foot pole.

1697
01:22:28.675 --> 01:22:30.815
And I'm assuming most of the other districts

1698
01:22:30.815 --> 01:22:33.935
that I've talked to are in the same, same position.

1699
01:22:35.535 --> 01:22:37.935
I agree. I do not want to take on this responsibility.

1700
01:22:39.135 --> 01:22:40.135
I concur.

1701
01:22:41.835 --> 01:22:43.215
I'm, I'm going with the group.

1702
01:22:43.805 --> 01:22:46.375
I'll Well then I'd like to hear the presentation,

1703
01:22:46.595 --> 01:22:49.375
but you know, I, I don't, I'd like to answer those questions

1704
01:22:49.575 --> 01:22:50.975
'cause I'd like to know that, but I,

1705
01:22:51.005 --> 01:22:52.695
there's just no way we're gonna do this.

1706
01:22:53.145 --> 01:22:54.145
Right.

1707
01:22:54.595 --> 01:22:56.775
So it's the board's decision if you'd like us

1708
01:22:56.775 --> 01:22:59.055
to come back when there are answers to those questions.

1709
01:22:59.355 --> 01:23:01.455
Yes. We'd like to hear the answers to those questions.

1710
01:23:01.855 --> 01:23:05.245
I would from a, from a, a personal standpoint. So I know, so

1711
01:23:05.245 --> 01:23:06.405
When that information's available,

1712
01:23:06.695 --> 01:23:08.325
we'll include this on a future agenda.

1713
01:23:08.325 --> 01:23:10.045
Yeah, we'd like to have that information.

1714
01:23:10.905 --> 01:23:14.525
As far as the information that has been presented to us,

1715
01:23:15.595 --> 01:23:18.085
what I'm hearing is it's unanimous

1716
01:23:18.195 --> 01:23:20.245
that this board will not accept it.

1717
01:23:21.595 --> 01:23:23.285
Okay. Thank you. Board, do

1718
01:23:23.285 --> 01:23:24.725
You need a motion or anything?

1719
01:23:25.385 --> 01:23:29.685
No. Okay. Not at this time. Okay.

1720
01:23:32.345 --> 01:23:36.685
Moving on to informational items. Only financial statements.

1721
01:23:36.685 --> 01:23:39.885
Everybody has a chance to look 'em over, review 'em.

1722
01:23:39.905 --> 01:23:40.905
Any questions?

1723
01:23:42.995 --> 01:23:44.365
Yeah, I just had a que a que.

1724
01:23:44.575 --> 01:23:47.605
Holly, do you still on on on the investment board? I am.

1725
01:23:47.675 --> 01:23:50.325
Yeah. Um, the long-term investments seem

1726
01:23:50.325 --> 01:23:52.325
to be doing a little bit better than the short term.

1727
01:23:52.395 --> 01:23:54.485
Correct. Uh, has there been any discussion at

1728
01:23:54.485 --> 01:23:58.045
that meeting about, uh, shifting some of the proportions?

1729
01:23:58.515 --> 01:24:00.085
It's already happened. It has

1730
01:24:00.405 --> 01:24:01.845
Happened, yes. Okay.

1731
01:24:02.705 --> 01:24:05.485
Is that, but keep in mind that, keep in mind that we're,

1732
01:24:05.545 --> 01:24:07.565
you know, one of the reasons we have long term investments

1733
01:24:07.565 --> 01:24:08.725
is they hedge against inflation.

1734
01:24:09.345 --> 01:24:12.005
And so, but we still have to have short term investments so

1735
01:24:12.005 --> 01:24:15.205
that we have stuff that we can turn over in the short term.

1736
01:24:15.375 --> 01:24:17.885
Right. So, um, we can't completely get rid

1737
01:24:17.885 --> 01:24:19.005
of the short term investments.

1738
01:24:19.305 --> 01:24:20.885
We have already changed those ratios.

1739
01:24:21.265 --> 01:24:22.925
Is that reflected in these or not yet?

1740
01:24:23.305 --> 01:24:24.845
Uh oh yeah. Yeah.

1741
01:24:25.105 --> 01:24:27.365
If, if you go to the minutes for the,

1742
01:24:27.425 --> 01:24:29.885
or if you go to the what may I

1743
01:24:29.885 --> 01:24:30.925
see what document you're looking at.

1744
01:24:31.145 --> 01:24:32.165
I'm gonna just hold it.

1745
01:24:36.985 --> 01:24:38.365
Oh yeah. So there's a,

1746
01:24:43.125 --> 01:24:44.485
I don't see the document I'm referring,

1747
01:24:44.485 --> 01:24:48.125
the document I'm referring to is if you go to the, um,

1748
01:24:48.125 --> 01:24:50.645
meeting minutes or the, um,

1749
01:24:50.645 --> 01:24:53.445
investment advisory committee meeting, you'll be able to see

1750
01:24:53.445 --> 01:24:55.645
that, um, what the proportions are

1751
01:24:55.645 --> 01:24:57.485
of versus long term investments.

1752
01:24:57.665 --> 01:24:59.485
Oh, okay. Alright.

1753
01:24:59.515 --> 01:25:01.165
I'll go look the, I'll look up the meeting

1754
01:25:01.165 --> 01:25:02.525
minutes of that meeting and

1755
01:25:02.525 --> 01:25:03.525
Thank you. We can email

1756
01:25:03.525 --> 01:25:04.365
that to the board.

1757
01:25:04.635 --> 01:25:05.805
Okay. That'd be great. Thank you.

1758
01:25:05.975 --> 01:25:07.165
Thank you Holly. Mm-hmm.

1759
01:25:07.625 --> 01:25:09.405
Any other questions on the financial part?

1760
01:25:09.745 --> 01:25:13.725
No. All right. DPM monthly report.

1761
01:25:15.425 --> 01:25:18.045
It gives you an idea of what's been completed

1762
01:25:18.305 --> 01:25:20.045
and what will be coming up.

1763
01:25:23.625 --> 01:25:25.205
Any questions, comments?

1764
01:25:27.435 --> 01:25:32.285
Nope. Final item on the

1765
01:25:32.285 --> 01:25:36.005
informational will be the community development District 10

1766
01:25:36.005 --> 01:25:37.325
public hearing updates.

1767
01:25:39.265 --> 01:25:44.235
And we only have one item still on

1768
01:25:44.455 --> 01:25:46.435
the hearing update,

1769
01:25:47.245 --> 01:25:51.475
which is the 33 57 Fountainhead counsel.

1770
01:25:51.655 --> 01:25:53.955
I'm sure there's been no changes in that.

1771
01:25:55.955 --> 01:25:56.995
Actually, the one change is that

1772
01:25:56.995 --> 01:25:58.075
they've retained an attorney.

1773
01:25:58.255 --> 01:25:59.835
So that's where we're at right now.

1774
01:26:03.025 --> 01:26:06.805
And are you in communication with their attorney? Not yet.

1775
01:26:06.805 --> 01:26:10.565
They just filed an appearance a couple days ago. Okay. Okay.

1776
01:26:13.305 --> 01:26:16.285
All right. And that will conclude informational items on the

1777
01:26:16.315 --> 01:26:18.765
next item would be district manager reports.

1778
01:26:21.385 --> 01:26:22.925
No reports other than a reminder

1779
01:26:22.925 --> 01:26:24.805
that your meeting is moved up in September

1780
01:26:25.145 --> 01:26:26.605
for final budget adoption.

1781
01:26:26.745 --> 01:26:30.245
So September 4th, 3:00 PM at this location.

1782
01:26:32.755 --> 01:26:36.485
Anybody remember that? Just some reminders.

1783
01:26:38.525 --> 01:26:40.565
I reminded Mark five times today, so

1784
01:26:41.235 --> 01:26:43.445
It's not, it's not the first Wednesday

1785
01:26:43.445 --> 01:26:47.245
before the second Friday, but it's a preview

1786
01:26:47.305 --> 01:26:49.005
of things Wednesday before the second Friday.

1787
01:26:49.005 --> 01:26:52.565
Just show up every Thursday. Okay? Yes. All right.

1788
01:26:52.705 --> 01:26:55.605
At 10:00 AM uh, district council report? Yes, sir.

1789
01:26:55.625 --> 01:26:58.125
The next ethics and public records training dates are

1790
01:26:58.125 --> 01:27:00.805
as follows, August 18th, 2025 at one

1791
01:27:00.805 --> 01:27:01.885
30 at the district office.

1792
01:27:02.545 --> 01:27:04.245
If you're unable to attend that date,

1793
01:27:04.245 --> 01:27:08.165
there's another training scheduled on October 27 at one 30.

1794
01:27:08.185 --> 01:27:11.565
And that is also at the district office. If you need hours.

1795
01:27:12.305 --> 01:27:13.565
Yes. If you need your hours, you can

1796
01:27:13.565 --> 01:27:14.765
sign up through the clerk's office.

1797
01:27:15.225 --> 01:27:16.365
We have to attend both of those

1798
01:27:16.465 --> 01:27:18.125
to satisfy that for four hours.

1799
01:27:18.385 --> 01:27:19.605
Yep. Okay. No, it took Spring.

1800
01:27:19.605 --> 01:27:21.045
Unless you're doing something else online

1801
01:27:21.385 --> 01:27:23.405
In, oh, there was one in the spring.

1802
01:27:23.865 --> 01:27:26.525
Yes. So you went to that as long as you get four. Correct.

1803
01:27:26.595 --> 01:27:28.925
Okay. Okay. Is it in the, um, the, um,

1804
01:27:28.925 --> 01:27:31.605
conference room of the district offices? Where will it be?

1805
01:27:31.605 --> 01:27:33.085
They'll, they'll direct you. There's

1806
01:27:33.085 --> 01:27:34.085
Like, there's two, like four.

1807
01:27:34.195 --> 01:27:36.125
It's in the first floor conference room. Oh, first

1808
01:27:36.125 --> 01:27:37.125
Floor conference. That's what they're

1809
01:27:37.125 --> 01:27:37.605
saying. Yes.

1810
01:27:37.835 --> 01:27:39.445
Only that's where it'll be approved.

1811
01:27:40.725 --> 01:27:42.285
I can't remember which ones I've gone to,

1812
01:27:42.305 --> 01:27:43.365
so I just signed a problem.

1813
01:27:45.525 --> 01:27:48.165
I need the training. It's better than Mark. Mark.

1814
01:27:48.385 --> 01:27:51.125
Second one in October, you said? Uh, October 27th. Yeah.

1815
01:27:51.125 --> 01:27:52.125
Okay.

1816
01:27:52.515 --> 01:27:53.805
That can count as your formal room

1817
01:27:54.105 --> 01:27:55.105
In case. Yeah, I gotta

1818
01:27:55.105 --> 01:27:56.045
make sure I get that.

1819
01:27:56.105 --> 01:27:58.565
Get, get that one on the schedule. I'm scheduled for Monday.

1820
01:27:58.565 --> 01:28:03.245
That one I know. Okay, next item supervisor comments.

1821
01:28:03.655 --> 01:28:05.405
We'll start off with Mr. Bova.

1822
01:28:05.405 --> 01:28:07.285
Give us a report on Project vi.

1823
01:28:07.985 --> 01:28:09.845
We had an enjoyable meeting on Monday,

1824
01:28:09.895 --> 01:28:11.165
about three and a half hours.

1825
01:28:11.905 --> 01:28:14.205
So lots of things to discuss.

1826
01:28:14.985 --> 01:28:17.085
Um, first of all, um,

1827
01:28:17.675 --> 01:28:20.405
there's gonna be a meeting on September the 22nd

1828
01:28:20.405 --> 01:28:21.765
between the A A C

1829
01:28:22.305 --> 01:28:26.325
and PWAC regarding, uh, access, uh,

1830
01:28:26.665 --> 01:28:29.565
to the pools and the gates and, and the key cards.

1831
01:28:30.265 --> 01:28:34.125
Um, and I'm asking Mark to attend in my, uh, absence.

1832
01:28:34.185 --> 01:28:35.685
I'm gonna be out of town. I didn't know this

1833
01:28:35.685 --> 01:28:36.805
meeting was planned at that time.

1834
01:28:37.305 --> 01:28:40.045
And what we're looking at doing is, is expanding

1835
01:28:40.105 --> 01:28:43.445
as we continue with this systems, there's a lot of issues

1836
01:28:43.465 --> 01:28:45.405
and a lot of questions of people coming in

1837
01:28:45.865 --> 01:28:48.085
and using our facilities from the outside.

1838
01:28:48.745 --> 01:28:50.725
And we're trying to figure out a way

1839
01:28:50.745 --> 01:28:52.085
to make sure that doesn't happen.

1840
01:28:52.665 --> 01:28:54.725
Uh, so one of the things they're looking at is

1841
01:28:54.795 --> 01:28:57.485
that using the current key card system to put

1842
01:28:58.095 --> 01:29:01.845
locks on the pools, the tennis courts, the equipment rooms,

1843
01:29:02.225 --> 01:29:05.125
the all of our outside activities so that

1844
01:29:05.765 --> 01:29:07.885
a resident would use their same card to go up

1845
01:29:07.905 --> 01:29:09.925
and swipe it to unlock the gate

1846
01:29:09.985 --> 01:29:12.805
to go into their neighborhood pool, the community pool,

1847
01:29:13.105 --> 01:29:15.045
or to play tennis or pickleball.

1848
01:29:15.465 --> 01:29:18.005
Um, so we're gonna move forward with that.

1849
01:29:18.005 --> 01:29:21.085
Hopefully at this meeting, we're supposed to have some costs

1850
01:29:21.825 --> 01:29:23.285
and some options and things.

1851
01:29:23.665 --> 01:29:27.045
The current long range reader program's working very well at

1852
01:29:27.045 --> 01:29:29.525
one on my car, you drop, get up to the gate, it opens,

1853
01:29:29.525 --> 01:29:30.925
it gives you plenty of time to go through.

1854
01:29:31.025 --> 01:29:32.565
So that's working very well.

1855
01:29:32.565 --> 01:29:34.325
And I know there's gonna be different options on that.

1856
01:29:34.625 --> 01:29:37.125
So that meeting's coming up on the 22nd.

1857
01:29:38.025 --> 01:29:42.925
Um, we made a change on, we had a request

1858
01:29:43.665 --> 01:29:48.445
to fix a, uh, handicapped issue at Sea Breeze on the,

1859
01:29:49.065 --> 01:29:51.085
um, exercise room

1860
01:29:51.315 --> 01:29:54.845
because there were people crawling over the, the railing

1861
01:29:54.845 --> 01:29:57.445
to try to get to it so they didn't have to walk so far.

1862
01:29:57.625 --> 01:30:01.685
So we approved a $13,000 change to put in a walkway

1863
01:30:01.785 --> 01:30:04.165
and make sure it's more easily accessible.

1864
01:30:04.865 --> 01:30:09.085
Um, we also decide, uh, chillers

1865
01:30:09.225 --> 01:30:11.445
and, uh, water cannons for the pools

1866
01:30:11.445 --> 01:30:14.325
to cool the water down in the sport pools.

1867
01:30:14.325 --> 01:30:16.805
It was getting up to 98 degrees in the summer,

1868
01:30:17.015 --> 01:30:18.885
which is unhealthy for the residents.

1869
01:30:19.425 --> 01:30:23.525
So we approved, uh, water cannons for all the remaining, uh,

1870
01:30:23.525 --> 01:30:26.165
sports pools in the villages to blow the water up

1871
01:30:26.165 --> 01:30:27.405
to cool it and keep it down.

1872
01:30:28.025 --> 01:30:29.445
Um, that was approved.

1873
01:30:30.065 --> 01:30:35.045
Um, we're putting new billiard lighting in all the

1874
01:30:35.045 --> 01:30:37.245
billiard rooms because it wasn't bright enough

1875
01:30:37.245 --> 01:30:39.925
and it wasn't, you couldn't see what you were doing.

1876
01:30:39.985 --> 01:30:41.525
So were we change, changing all that,

1877
01:30:41.525 --> 01:30:43.165
that's in the process of going on.

1878
01:30:43.945 --> 01:30:47.885
Um, we are,

1879
01:30:50.185 --> 01:30:52.085
we talked about the amenity fee cap.

1880
01:30:52.985 --> 01:30:54.805
Uh, PAC voted that down.

1881
01:30:55.705 --> 01:30:58.085
Um, a a c had made a recommendation

1882
01:30:58.085 --> 01:31:00.605
and they had passed putting a deferral rate

1883
01:31:00.665 --> 01:31:02.365
or a cap on the amenity fee.

1884
01:31:02.905 --> 01:31:05.165
Um, PAC had a discussion over

1885
01:31:05.165 --> 01:31:08.925
that based upon our debt service, um, upcoming expenses.

1886
01:31:09.665 --> 01:31:12.445
Um, we didn't feel that was the financially prudent thing

1887
01:31:12.445 --> 01:31:14.245
to do for the villages

1888
01:31:14.345 --> 01:31:16.485
or for our community or our districts.

1889
01:31:16.505 --> 01:31:18.605
And so we said no.

1890
01:31:19.185 --> 01:31:21.565
So that's pretty much a dead issue now.

1891
01:31:21.865 --> 01:31:23.725
Uh, we'll continue with the current rates

1892
01:31:24.145 --> 01:31:27.125
and with the CPI on an annual basis, um,

1893
01:31:27.505 --> 01:31:31.325
we approved the $3.5 million, uh,

1894
01:31:31.555 --> 01:31:34.445
lake Sumter Waterfront Recreation Amenity project,

1895
01:31:34.535 --> 01:31:35.885
which is really gonna be cool.

1896
01:31:36.115 --> 01:31:39.045
They're putting a big gazebo, they're expanding the dock.

1897
01:31:39.275 --> 01:31:43.245
There's going to be a new dock for the, uh, boat rides, uh,

1898
01:31:43.425 --> 01:31:46.725
new ramps for the, uh, dragon boat.

1899
01:31:46.835 --> 01:31:49.245
It's really gonna be a huge enhancement to

1900
01:31:49.245 --> 01:31:50.525
that area up there for people.

1901
01:31:50.665 --> 01:31:53.325
So that's a good thing. Um, I just

1902
01:31:53.325 --> 01:31:54.325
Wanna clarify on that.

1903
01:31:54.415 --> 01:31:56.485
Those funds are coming from amenity fees now,

1904
01:31:56.665 --> 01:31:58.045
not maintenance fees. Correct.

1905
01:31:58.785 --> 01:32:01.405
Not, they are not even coming out any PA fees.

1906
01:32:02.035 --> 01:32:05.925
That Whaf project and that amenity

1907
01:32:05.985 --> 01:32:09.045
or that facility was transferred over

1908
01:32:09.145 --> 01:32:13.685
as an amenity taken off of the Exhibit A for pwac.

1909
01:32:13.705 --> 01:32:15.645
So we are no longer responsible for it.

1910
01:32:15.915 --> 01:32:18.965
That money will come out of the amenity fees to build that

1911
01:32:19.345 --> 01:32:21.725
and to maintain it and take care of it going forward.

1912
01:32:22.235 --> 01:32:24.765
Very good. Yeah. So we, yeah, we, we don't wanna pay for it.

1913
01:32:25.385 --> 01:32:30.365
So, um, the other, the other one was, there was a,

1914
01:32:30.425 --> 01:32:34.925
uh, a recommendation to add a parking, a golf cart,

1915
01:32:34.955 --> 01:32:38.045
parking lot to the

1916
01:32:38.795 --> 01:32:40.725
Cattail Recreation Center.

1917
01:32:41.545 --> 01:32:43.165
In other words, where Edna's is,

1918
01:32:43.515 --> 01:32:45.205
when Edna's has bigger events,

1919
01:32:45.905 --> 01:32:50.045
all the people are parking on the grass, uh, by Edna's.

1920
01:32:50.305 --> 01:32:54.845
And so there was a request to put in a 60, uh, golf cart,

1921
01:32:55.275 --> 01:32:58.165
parking lot, and they wanted us

1922
01:32:58.185 --> 01:33:02.765
to prove $44,000 in engineering fees.

1923
01:33:03.025 --> 01:33:05.285
And I think you all know how I feel about engineering fees,

1924
01:33:05.645 --> 01:33:07.085
engineering fees, if I, that's not the project,

1925
01:33:07.085 --> 01:33:08.685
that's the engineering, that's the engineering fees.

1926
01:33:09.025 --> 01:33:11.245
If, if there's a second life, I want to come back

1927
01:33:11.265 --> 01:33:12.845
as a village's engineering company.

1928
01:33:13.145 --> 01:33:14.845
I'm gonna tell you that. Um,

1929
01:33:14.915 --> 01:33:16.525
because we spend a lot of money.

1930
01:33:16.785 --> 01:33:19.405
So what that EQU to I, I'm with numbers,

1931
01:33:19.825 --> 01:33:24.605
was $733 a golf cart just for the engineering study,

1932
01:33:25.385 --> 01:33:28.365
not even for the cost of, of this 60

1933
01:33:29.715 --> 01:33:30.965
cart parking lot.

1934
01:33:31.425 --> 01:33:35.205
And so one of the supervisors that lives down there said,

1935
01:33:35.595 --> 01:33:37.645
parking is really not a problem

1936
01:33:38.275 --> 01:33:40.205
because you've got Edna's parking,

1937
01:33:40.275 --> 01:33:43.325
then you have all the parking for Cattail Recreation Center

1938
01:33:43.385 --> 01:33:46.565
and pool, and then you have all the parking for lowlands,

1939
01:33:46.565 --> 01:33:49.445
golf cart, golf course or all down there.

1940
01:33:50.025 --> 01:33:52.205
But people don't wanna park, park down there

1941
01:33:52.345 --> 01:33:53.925
and walk Oh my God.

1942
01:33:54.025 --> 01:33:55.125
All the way to Ednas.

1943
01:33:55.785 --> 01:33:59.005
So we voted it down, we're not spending the money.

1944
01:33:59.985 --> 01:34:02.125
So that was a good deal. So we voted that down.

1945
01:34:02.665 --> 01:34:05.205
Um, and that was pretty much what we did.

1946
01:34:07.305 --> 01:34:08.445
Any questions, comments?

1947
01:34:10.465 --> 01:34:12.965
You made every decision the way I would make it. Thank you.

1948
01:34:13.635 --> 01:34:15.445
Well, someone asked me, what's your board

1949
01:34:15.445 --> 01:34:16.565
going to do on this?

1950
01:34:17.125 --> 01:34:19.485
I have a pretty good idea where my board stands,

1951
01:34:19.625 --> 01:34:21.885
so I always ask them before or whatever,

1952
01:34:22.025 --> 01:34:24.725
but, uh, I thought, well, I was right on target with these.

1953
01:34:25.195 --> 01:34:28.245
Sure. My only comment that I'd like to make has to do

1954
01:34:28.435 --> 01:34:29.565
with the credit.

1955
01:34:29.925 --> 01:34:31.405
I mean, credit card readers. Yeah.

1956
01:34:31.665 --> 01:34:35.725
We need those long read the card readers.

1957
01:34:36.145 --> 01:34:40.165
Uh, if we are looking at using them for the pools

1958
01:34:40.425 --> 01:34:42.725
or pickleball courts

1959
01:34:42.745 --> 01:34:47.365
or whatever, um, I hope everybody understands that

1960
01:34:47.365 --> 01:34:50.005
that's not going to completely solve the problem.

1961
01:34:50.835 --> 01:34:52.965
Because you're gonna have Joe Blow

1962
01:34:53.065 --> 01:34:55.205
that's gonna have his buddy that's gonna want

1963
01:34:55.205 --> 01:34:56.805
to bring him over to play pickleball

1964
01:34:57.545 --> 01:35:00.125
and he's gonna use his card to go through the gate

1965
01:35:00.905 --> 01:35:04.365
and leave it open and let his buddy in

1966
01:35:04.505 --> 01:35:06.245
or somebody behind him.

1967
01:35:06.425 --> 01:35:09.325
Oh shoot, I forgot my card today. Well come on in.

1968
01:35:09.505 --> 01:35:13.005
And if there's a problem, we're gonna continue

1969
01:35:13.005 --> 01:35:15.645
to have a problem if we don't have somebody there

1970
01:35:17.835 --> 01:35:19.605
routinely on a, you know,

1971
01:35:19.725 --> 01:35:22.165
a rolling basis check to check IDs.

1972
01:35:22.315 --> 01:35:24.125
Well, I I I, I think two things.

1973
01:35:24.125 --> 01:35:26.005
Number one, I understand what you're saying

1974
01:35:26.425 --> 01:35:28.565
and part of this whole process is going to have

1975
01:35:28.565 --> 01:35:31.205
to be an educational process with our residents.

1976
01:35:31.745 --> 01:35:33.325
And, and they're gonna have to understand.

1977
01:35:33.605 --> 01:35:36.405
I mean, you know, there were some people here from Atrium

1978
01:35:36.405 --> 01:35:39.005
Dell, a friend of mine out there was playing pickleball

1979
01:35:39.005 --> 01:35:40.845
and he didn't recognize the two people in front of him.

1980
01:35:40.845 --> 01:35:43.125
And they said, oh, we're from the RV park down the road.

1981
01:35:43.955 --> 01:35:45.725
Well, how, how, how do you know when,

1982
01:35:45.725 --> 01:35:47.165
when the pickleball courts are

1983
01:35:47.165 --> 01:35:48.205
the, or the games are going on?

1984
01:35:48.305 --> 01:35:50.165
We have the schedule up on our bulletin board.

1985
01:35:52.355 --> 01:35:54.605
They all come in and play pickleball. Okay.

1986
01:35:54.905 --> 01:35:56.445
And, and, you know, and I don't care.

1987
01:35:56.685 --> 01:35:57.685
I I will disagree

1988
01:35:57.685 --> 01:35:59.765
with John Rohan on this day in and day out.

1989
01:36:00.165 --> 01:36:02.405
'cause I've even talked to some of the people that check IDs

1990
01:36:02.635 --> 01:36:04.285
that when they go to a neighborhood pool,

1991
01:36:04.285 --> 01:36:07.245
everybody jumps in the water that's not supposed to be there

1992
01:36:07.245 --> 01:36:09.445
because they don't make you get out of the water

1993
01:36:09.665 --> 01:36:10.845
to check your id.

1994
01:36:10.845 --> 01:36:13.325
Which I think is absolutely ridiculous. I agree.

1995
01:36:13.465 --> 01:36:15.485
If you're gonna go in, you check everybody's id.

1996
01:36:15.485 --> 01:36:16.485
If you want to get in the water,

1997
01:36:16.905 --> 01:36:19.285
lay your card right there on the, on the edge and then,

1998
01:36:19.545 --> 01:36:22.285
but it's gonna have to be an educational process.

1999
01:36:22.465 --> 01:36:25.205
And we are going to have to continue to spot check IDs.

2000
01:36:25.465 --> 01:36:30.125
Has anybody recommended a volunteer

2001
01:36:30.915 --> 01:36:33.005
service for people to volunteer?

2002
01:36:33.105 --> 01:36:35.045
We get into a lot of legal issues there.

2003
01:36:35.125 --> 01:36:37.285
I don't think volunteer their time to sit there

2004
01:36:37.285 --> 01:36:39.205
for four hours or two hours or whatever

2005
01:36:39.225 --> 01:36:41.045
and check IDs as people come and go.

2006
01:36:41.195 --> 01:36:43.125
Well, the problem is on, on,

2007
01:36:43.125 --> 01:36:44.845
especially the neighborhood pools.

2008
01:36:45.285 --> 01:36:47.645
There'll be days, nobody's in a neighborhood pool.

2009
01:36:47.985 --> 01:36:50.965
So you've got somebody sitting there for nothing. Okay.

2010
01:36:51.125 --> 01:36:53.925
There'll be days that tell 'em to take a book with 'em.

2011
01:36:54.545 --> 01:36:55.845
You know, there'll be days that,

2012
01:36:56.225 --> 01:36:58.525
and you know, this isn't gonna be the perfect solution.

2013
01:36:58.845 --> 01:37:02.565
Lakewood Ranch in, um, Bradenton has done this.

2014
01:37:02.625 --> 01:37:04.005
Uh, my cousin lives there

2015
01:37:04.185 --> 01:37:05.685
and we go down and we go up to the pool.

2016
01:37:06.105 --> 01:37:07.885
We can't get in unless he waves a card.

2017
01:37:07.885 --> 01:37:09.845
And I've got my, my ID with me in that.

2018
01:37:10.305 --> 01:37:12.645
And so I, I think it's a start.

2019
01:37:12.945 --> 01:37:15.365
But if you look around, we have developments

2020
01:37:15.595 --> 01:37:18.165
that are advertising, oh, we're close to the villages.

2021
01:37:18.165 --> 01:37:20.445
You can use the facilities, you know, come on.

2022
01:37:20.745 --> 01:37:22.245
You know, um, we don't have 'em here,

2023
01:37:22.245 --> 01:37:24.205
but you just, right down the road, there's all kinds

2024
01:37:24.205 --> 01:37:26.245
of pools and tenant courts and stuff like that.

2025
01:37:26.705 --> 01:37:30.645
So I think it's a start in trying to maintain

2026
01:37:31.065 --> 01:37:33.325
and make sure that the residents that are paying

2027
01:37:33.425 --> 01:37:35.285
for these amenities are using them

2028
01:37:35.665 --> 01:37:38.125
and we're not furnishing them for the entire Sumter County.

2029
01:37:38.475 --> 01:37:39.925
Yeah. If nothing's gonna be perfect,

2030
01:37:40.115 --> 01:37:41.285
it's a layer that I have to go through.

2031
01:37:41.835 --> 01:37:44.605
Otherwise Need talk to our attorney about, Hey guys,

2032
01:37:44.605 --> 01:37:46.085
you, you can't advertise

2033
01:37:46.085 --> 01:37:47.165
that you have access to the building.

2034
01:37:47.185 --> 01:37:48.645
That's one at a time, please. But

2035
01:37:48.645 --> 01:37:50.125
I have an easy thought on, um,

2036
01:37:50.175 --> 01:37:51.805
especially the family pools.

2037
01:37:52.325 --> 01:37:54.125
I mean, you have, in order to get into the building

2038
01:37:54.185 --> 01:37:56.525
to play cards or whatever, you have to show your id.

2039
01:37:57.065 --> 01:37:58.285
Why can't the swimmers

2040
01:37:58.745 --> 01:38:01.445
or the people that wanna lounge around the pool have

2041
01:38:01.465 --> 01:38:03.365
to lock all the gates?

2042
01:38:03.675 --> 01:38:06.125
They have to go in, they have to check with their ID

2043
01:38:06.425 --> 01:38:07.845
and then they can go into the pool.

2044
01:38:09.245 --> 01:38:10.885
I don't have A problem with it because there's a, um,

2045
01:38:11.265 --> 01:38:14.645
you know, resident, I mean there's a recreation person,

2046
01:38:14.815 --> 01:38:18.045
staff member at all of those family pools.

2047
01:38:19.185 --> 01:38:23.045
So what's being presented is the 71 neighborhood pools

2048
01:38:23.045 --> 01:38:24.965
that are not at a staffed location.

2049
01:38:25.145 --> 01:38:26.405
The adult ones Correct.

2050
01:38:26.585 --> 01:38:28.245
The one, the ones where staff members are having

2051
01:38:28.265 --> 01:38:31.885
to drive from an offsite location to perform the checks.

2052
01:38:33.685 --> 01:38:35.005
I understand that would be a problem.

2053
01:38:35.145 --> 01:38:38.525
But we could start with the easy solution, which is

2054
01:38:38.865 --> 01:38:41.045
for the family pools, which a lot of people use.

2055
01:38:41.195 --> 01:38:44.005
Also, you can't go enter the pool

2056
01:38:44.135 --> 01:38:46.205
until you've checked in with the staff.

2057
01:38:46.205 --> 01:38:48.125
Even if you're for the suit, the tower, whatever.

2058
01:38:48.385 --> 01:38:50.645
If there staff I'll, yeah, I will.

2059
01:38:50.945 --> 01:38:54.045
The staff is doing a really good job checking IDs.

2060
01:38:54.245 --> 01:38:58.005
I think at the family pools, it's just like the sport pools.

2061
01:38:58.305 --> 01:39:00.325
We can't go in to play water volleyball

2062
01:39:00.425 --> 01:39:05.005
or you can't go to a, uh, aerobics class without going in

2063
01:39:05.005 --> 01:39:08.005
and having a staff person there checking your id.

2064
01:39:08.465 --> 01:39:09.925
So they've done a really good job

2065
01:39:09.925 --> 01:39:14.165
where those facilities are close to a recreation center.

2066
01:39:14.595 --> 01:39:16.045
It's the ones that are remote

2067
01:39:16.105 --> 01:39:21.045
and some of the outside, um, uh, sports activities

2068
01:39:21.045 --> 01:39:22.685
and things that need to be monitored.

2069
01:39:22.865 --> 01:39:25.685
So it's just another step in, in trying to

2070
01:39:27.795 --> 01:39:30.685
make sure that our facilities are being used

2071
01:39:30.745 --> 01:39:32.125
by the people that are paying for 'em.

2072
01:39:32.305 --> 01:39:34.365
And I can certainly attest to the fact

2073
01:39:34.365 --> 01:39:36.925
that I have been asked for, ID more

2074
01:39:36.945 --> 01:39:40.045
so now using outdoor facilities than than ever before.

2075
01:39:40.155 --> 01:39:41.605
There's been a lot of pressure put on

2076
01:39:41.605 --> 01:39:42.645
the rec department. They are,

2077
01:39:42.645 --> 01:39:44.485
They're they are doing due diligence.

2078
01:39:44.515 --> 01:39:46.485
Yeah, they are. They're, they're stepping up

2079
01:39:46.645 --> 01:39:47.805
to the plate in some cases,

2080
01:39:47.945 --> 01:39:50.485
but they, you know, it's impossible.

2081
01:39:50.545 --> 01:39:53.685
You look at our budget today, it's impossible for us

2082
01:39:53.705 --> 01:39:57.045
to hire enough people to sit at a hundred pools

2083
01:39:57.185 --> 01:39:59.765
or to set at, um, some

2084
01:39:59.765 --> 01:40:02.165
of these facilities based upon the usage.

2085
01:40:02.525 --> 01:40:05.525
Whatever. It's, it's no different than putting a card key on

2086
01:40:05.525 --> 01:40:09.285
the equipment room that locks up the bocce

2087
01:40:09.545 --> 01:40:11.165
and the shuffleboard

2088
01:40:11.305 --> 01:40:14.645
and, um, cornhole equipment that people just can't come in

2089
01:40:14.645 --> 01:40:16.365
and go in and take it and use it and play.

2090
01:40:16.635 --> 01:40:18.125
They have to use their key to open it

2091
01:40:18.125 --> 01:40:19.885
and get the equipment go out and play and put it back.

2092
01:40:20.285 --> 01:40:21.605
I, I don't see anything wrong with that.

2093
01:40:21.805 --> 01:40:25.005
I think that's just another way to protect our facility. So

2094
01:40:25.705 --> 01:40:27.325
How confident are we that it,

2095
01:40:27.325 --> 01:40:29.605
there's not a problem at the PA family pools

2096
01:40:29.605 --> 01:40:30.845
because it's an easy solution.

2097
01:40:30.985 --> 01:40:33.405
Go in, check in, gate are locked,

2098
01:40:33.465 --> 01:40:34.845
go in check in, you're let in.

2099
01:40:35.165 --> 01:40:37.125
I would, if I were you, I would send a, an email

2100
01:40:37.125 --> 01:40:38.805
to John Rohan and make that suggestion.

2101
01:40:39.275 --> 01:40:41.365
Have you heard it in any other discussions?

2102
01:40:41.945 --> 01:40:43.045
No. Okay. I will.

2103
01:40:43.345 --> 01:40:45.365
No, I'm not, I'm not.

2104
01:40:45.545 --> 01:40:47.605
I'm just saying no one else has suggested that.

2105
01:40:47.705 --> 01:40:50.285
But I know that they're really working on those,

2106
01:40:50.575 --> 01:40:53.605
especially at the Manatee pool, it's really tough to get in

2107
01:40:53.605 --> 01:40:55.445
unless somebody's out there checking your id.

2108
01:40:55.705 --> 01:40:56.805
But here again, if you're in the

2109
01:40:56.805 --> 01:40:57.845
water, they don't make you get out.

2110
01:40:57.845 --> 01:40:59.845
So that's, no, that's the problem. That needs to change.

2111
01:41:00.105 --> 01:41:02.485
That's right. Lock the gate and then go check in

2112
01:41:02.485 --> 01:41:03.565
before you even get in the pool.

2113
01:41:03.665 --> 01:41:06.445
The excuse for that is we're the friendliest villages in

2114
01:41:06.445 --> 01:41:08.965
Florida and we don't want to make anybody get out

2115
01:41:08.965 --> 01:41:10.405
of the pool, get their card,

2116
01:41:10.465 --> 01:41:13.565
and then have to go back in the pool that I think you have

2117
01:41:13.565 --> 01:41:14.645
to get out and show your card.

2118
01:41:16.185 --> 01:41:17.485
And I'm not in charge. I've relay

2119
01:41:17.595 --> 01:41:18.845
show it before you can even get in.

2120
01:41:20.445 --> 01:41:22.445
I send a note to John. How about a water?

2121
01:41:22.785 --> 01:41:25.405
How about a waterproof lanyard to put around your neck?

2122
01:41:28.195 --> 01:41:32.325
There's, well, it's like a bar your hand or something.

2123
01:41:32.515 --> 01:41:34.085
Alright, we'll move on from that.

2124
01:41:34.345 --> 01:41:36.045
Uh, any other supervisor comments?

2125
01:41:36.235 --> 01:41:38.005
Mark, I'll start with you. Yeah.

2126
01:41:38.945 --> 01:41:41.725
On the anonymous complaint thing, um,

2127
01:41:43.675 --> 01:41:47.085
obviously I've dealt with this quite a bit

2128
01:41:47.265 --> 01:41:50.685
for the last eight years on the a RC committee.

2129
01:41:50.705 --> 01:41:52.045
You know, I've been here 13 years.

2130
01:41:53.825 --> 01:41:57.445
It was set up as anonymous complaint system for a reason.

2131
01:41:58.745 --> 01:42:02.405
The people that developed this entity,

2132
01:42:02.955 --> 01:42:05.085
they saw the pitfalls of what could happen.

2133
01:42:07.545 --> 01:42:09.605
We don't have a policing system

2134
01:42:09.605 --> 01:42:10.845
where people are going around yet.

2135
01:42:10.845 --> 01:42:13.165
Unfortunately, the, the Antrim Dells the same

2136
01:42:13.165 --> 01:42:15.765
as we had the little old ladies in the golf carts years ago.

2137
01:42:15.825 --> 01:42:18.285
You know, to talk with the little troll ladies, you're going

2138
01:42:18.285 --> 01:42:20.205
to have isolated situations like that.

2139
01:42:20.225 --> 01:42:22.205
And I'm not sure what's going on with Antrim Dells,

2140
01:42:22.665 --> 01:42:25.485
but there's a reason they set it up as anonymous.

2141
01:42:26.665 --> 01:42:28.045
We don't have a policing system.

2142
01:42:28.685 --> 01:42:30.605
'cause I can tell you right now, believe me,

2143
01:42:30.685 --> 01:42:32.045
I can go any street in the village

2144
01:42:32.065 --> 01:42:35.805
and I can go violation, violation, violation, violation.

2145
01:42:38.095 --> 01:42:40.475
The whole point is somebody wants

2146
01:42:40.475 --> 01:42:42.395
to register a complaint or whatever.

2147
01:42:43.775 --> 01:42:47.435
As we said, it gets researched by community standards

2148
01:42:49.265 --> 01:42:51.515
more than not, they're gonna send an inspector out.

2149
01:42:51.735 --> 01:42:56.115
If there's nothing in violation, it's done. It ends. Mm-hmm.

2150
01:42:56.615 --> 01:43:00.995
If it's de determined to be a violation, it's now

2151
01:43:00.995 --> 01:43:03.715
between the homeowner and the district.

2152
01:43:04.775 --> 01:43:06.035
The person that brought it

2153
01:43:06.035 --> 01:43:07.755
to their attention is out of the equation.

2154
01:43:08.035 --> 01:43:10.715
I always use the example, you see somebody getting

2155
01:43:10.715 --> 01:43:13.275
carjacked, you call the police, the people get caught.

2156
01:43:14.065 --> 01:43:15.555
They have no right to confront

2157
01:43:15.655 --> 01:43:16.875
the person who called the police.

2158
01:43:17.145 --> 01:43:21.765
It's ridiculous. You're going to have some odd people

2159
01:43:21.965 --> 01:43:23.845
that just want to be vindictive and ride around

2160
01:43:23.845 --> 01:43:25.685
and call in, you know, somebody's got loan owners.

2161
01:43:26.705 --> 01:43:29.205
But the problem is, there's two things.

2162
01:43:29.425 --> 01:43:33.245
You get away, and again, I sure sha Shannon can confirm

2163
01:43:34.135 --> 01:43:35.675
the districts that erroneously

2164
01:43:35.695 --> 01:43:38.035
and I think made a big mistake getting rid

2165
01:43:38.035 --> 01:43:39.315
of the anonymous complaint.

2166
01:43:39.315 --> 01:43:40.595
And she's already indicated some

2167
01:43:40.595 --> 01:43:41.755
of 'em are starting to go back.

2168
01:43:42.345 --> 01:43:44.835
It's an open invitation to people to break their bulls

2169
01:43:45.395 --> 01:43:47.245
because nobody's gonna turn 'em in.

2170
01:43:48.365 --> 01:43:49.625
We had a homeowner admit it.

2171
01:43:49.795 --> 01:43:53.165
We've broken some rules and like Jack said, obey the rules.

2172
01:43:53.165 --> 01:43:56.825
There's no problem. The only other reason is for somebody,

2173
01:43:56.825 --> 01:44:00.045
and the gentleman pointed out, it's for somebody to be able

2174
01:44:00.045 --> 01:44:02.245
to confront the person who rats them out.

2175
01:44:03.305 --> 01:44:06.205
Why? It's not a matter of courage.

2176
01:44:07.175 --> 01:44:09.005
We've seen what goes on in this society

2177
01:44:09.195 --> 01:44:11.765
because you get rid of that anonymous Clinton,

2178
01:44:12.085 --> 01:44:14.645
somebody's got their name addresses, they are going

2179
01:44:14.645 --> 01:44:15.645
to be repercussions.

2180
01:44:16.385 --> 01:44:18.605
And there are enough people with bad attitudes

2181
01:44:18.665 --> 01:44:20.285
and possibly a bad temper.

2182
01:44:21.165 --> 01:44:23.935
They are going to retaliate.

2183
01:44:24.595 --> 01:44:26.015
And this is what the villages saw.

2184
01:44:26.015 --> 01:44:28.415
They don't want people pit neighbor against neighbor

2185
01:44:28.635 --> 01:44:30.295
or somebody getting their tires slashed

2186
01:44:30.455 --> 01:44:32.935
'cause they called somebody in because you know, they got

2187
01:44:33.685 --> 01:44:34.855
some kind of violation.

2188
01:44:35.225 --> 01:44:37.695
Small things. Yeah. Whatever.

2189
01:44:37.995 --> 01:44:40.655
But there's a reason it's anonymous and changing.

2190
01:44:40.715 --> 01:44:42.495
It would be foolish.

2191
01:44:43.335 --> 01:44:45.815
Absolutely foolish because I think we've already confirmed

2192
01:44:45.815 --> 01:44:49.175
that the, the areas that changed it to a non-anonymous,

2193
01:44:49.645 --> 01:44:51.935
they're not getting much in the way of complaints

2194
01:44:52.035 --> 01:44:53.615
and people are getting away with whatever.

2195
01:44:53.925 --> 01:44:55.175
I've already heard that from people

2196
01:44:55.245 --> 01:44:56.655
that they're cheating like crazy.

2197
01:44:56.905 --> 01:44:59.775
Right. And I've also asked Shannon, there is no

2198
01:45:00.655 --> 01:45:03.215
abnormal amount of complaints in District

2199
01:45:03.235 --> 01:45:04.335
10 because it's anonymous.

2200
01:45:05.085 --> 01:45:07.255
It's no different than if it was,

2201
01:45:07.805 --> 01:45:10.215
we'd have stacks like this every meeting with people,

2202
01:45:10.355 --> 01:45:13.415
you know, with, with these cases, you're going

2203
01:45:13.415 --> 01:45:15.295
to have some yo-yo that's gonna run around

2204
01:45:15.295 --> 01:45:17.575
and try to turn a bunch of people because they're whatever.

2205
01:45:18.785 --> 01:45:21.225
I don't have a problem as we're talking with Shannon,

2206
01:45:21.905 --> 01:45:25.105
possibly if somebody has to be in the district.

2207
01:45:25.925 --> 01:45:27.145
But Jack made a good point.

2208
01:45:27.445 --> 01:45:30.065
If I see something crazy in district six,

2209
01:45:30.325 --> 01:45:31.905
why shouldn't I be able to say something about it?

2210
01:45:32.025 --> 01:45:33.225
I shouldn't have to live in district.

2211
01:45:33.385 --> 01:45:35.585
I live in the villages. It's a whole community. Yep.

2212
01:45:35.765 --> 01:45:38.225
And you can't verify that they're not lying. Right,

2213
01:45:38.225 --> 01:45:39.225
Right.

2214
01:45:39.285 --> 01:45:41.825
So keeping it anonymous I think

2215
01:45:41.925 --> 01:45:44.385
is absolutely essential.

2216
01:45:44.385 --> 01:45:46.025
They set it up this way for a reason

2217
01:45:46.245 --> 01:45:47.585
and it should stay that way.

2218
01:45:48.425 --> 01:45:50.825
I think the funny analogy too is that police, you know,

2219
01:45:50.825 --> 01:45:52.945
when you're speeding, um,

2220
01:45:53.095 --> 01:45:55.145
like why did the cops stop that guy?

2221
01:45:55.165 --> 01:45:57.585
But, you know, not that guy. Why did he stop me?

2222
01:45:57.725 --> 01:45:59.185
That's, you know, like yeah, that's

2223
01:45:59.265 --> 01:46:01.025
A why do you know?

2224
01:46:01.345 --> 01:46:02.905
'cause people talk about while they put parks on

2225
01:46:02.905 --> 01:46:04.025
the roof, why me?

2226
01:46:04.585 --> 01:46:06.985
I don't know. Right. But it doesn't, the point is,

2227
01:46:07.725 --> 01:46:09.825
as they said, if they go out and find it's in violation.

2228
01:46:10.645 --> 01:46:13.065
It is in violation. Right.

2229
01:46:13.245 --> 01:46:15.145
The person that brought it to community standards,

2230
01:46:15.145 --> 01:46:16.865
attention isn't the bad guy here.

2231
01:46:18.445 --> 01:46:21.585
If you don't want to be reported, don't be in violation.

2232
01:46:21.585 --> 01:46:24.865
Yeah. Read the dean restrictions. You know, I mean, come on.

2233
01:46:25.225 --> 01:46:28.185
I I agree with you. A hundred percent anonymous complaints.

2234
01:46:28.505 --> 01:46:29.625
I think we,

2235
01:46:29.645 --> 01:46:31.945
that's always been the standard in, in this district.

2236
01:46:32.105 --> 01:46:33.345
I think it should remain that way.

2237
01:46:33.885 --> 01:46:36.545
Um, I know there's issues here and there, but it works.

2238
01:46:37.215 --> 01:46:38.265
It's worked for us.

2239
01:46:38.395 --> 01:46:41.585
We've not had a whole lot of complaints and taking that off.

2240
01:46:41.745 --> 01:46:43.385
I I'm with you. People are gonna cheat.

2241
01:46:43.385 --> 01:46:45.705
They're gonna try to do all kinds of things and,

2242
01:46:45.765 --> 01:46:47.185
and I think we need to leave it just

2243
01:46:47.185 --> 01:46:48.265
exactly the way it's Yes.

2244
01:46:48.485 --> 01:46:51.405
For hopefully the one lady realized the reason she got

2245
01:46:51.405 --> 01:46:53.245
turned in is 'cause the previous owner never

2246
01:46:53.245 --> 01:46:54.525
got approval for what they did.

2247
01:46:54.865 --> 01:46:56.845
And knock on wood, because we used to see these,

2248
01:46:56.845 --> 01:46:58.925
what I call the retroactive approvals.

2249
01:46:59.205 --> 01:46:59.885
'cause the previous owner,

2250
01:47:00.955 --> 01:47:02.205
more than that, they get approved.

2251
01:47:03.205 --> 01:47:05.525
'cause it was a, if it was a reputable landscaper, they know

2252
01:47:05.525 --> 01:47:06.565
what the rules are to begin with.

2253
01:47:06.945 --> 01:47:09.565
And at least now she knows why it wasn't approved.

2254
01:47:09.575 --> 01:47:12.045
She's now approved. It's on record. Everything's hunky dory.

2255
01:47:12.325 --> 01:47:14.485
'cause Jack, I think you got, you said you had an issue,

2256
01:47:14.685 --> 01:47:16.565
somebody tried to turn you in for running a business

2257
01:47:16.565 --> 01:47:19.605
or something in your Yeah, let, I'll tell you that story.

2258
01:47:19.905 --> 01:47:24.205
Um, I got a notice from the district that

2259
01:47:25.145 --> 01:47:28.325
my wife was running a, uh,

2260
01:47:29.335 --> 01:47:31.965
water yoga class out of our home.

2261
01:47:32.105 --> 01:47:35.245
It wasn't a massage parlor? No, it wasn't a massage parlor.

2262
01:47:35.265 --> 01:47:39.765
It was water, water yoga. Okay. I don't have a pool.

2263
01:47:41.155 --> 01:47:45.205
Okay. So I wrote 'em, I wrote 'em back

2264
01:47:45.945 --> 01:47:48.085
and I said, well, I really appreciate it and,

2265
01:47:48.385 --> 01:47:50.845
but you know, my birth bath isn't big enough

2266
01:47:52.425 --> 01:47:54.445
and I don't know how we could be doing this.

2267
01:47:54.705 --> 01:47:56.645
And they said, well, I was running a business

2268
01:47:56.785 --> 01:47:59.005
and I was getting an income out of it.

2269
01:47:59.065 --> 01:48:03.565
And I had to confess that there were a few ladies

2270
01:48:03.635 --> 01:48:06.085
that came over once or twice a week

2271
01:48:06.145 --> 01:48:09.045
or once a week with my wife to do, um,

2272
01:48:10.805 --> 01:48:14.525
aerobics in the house, in the living room watching the tv.

2273
01:48:15.145 --> 01:48:17.685
And every now and then they'd bring me a brownie. Okay.

2274
01:48:17.785 --> 01:48:21.725
So yes, I was getting compensated. I admitted it.

2275
01:48:23.795 --> 01:48:27.045
Okay. This was not an anonymous complaint.

2276
01:48:29.235 --> 01:48:33.325
This was signed by supposedly

2277
01:48:33.945 --> 01:48:35.925
the lady that lived right across the street from me.

2278
01:48:36.855 --> 01:48:40.295
I, that was not true.

2279
01:48:41.165 --> 01:48:45.855
Someone filed a complaint in someone else's name

2280
01:48:46.875 --> 01:48:48.375
and tried to get them in trouble

2281
01:48:49.525 --> 01:48:54.335
because they, as it turned out, had been trying

2282
01:48:54.335 --> 01:48:57.095
to run a business out of our neighborhood dog sitting.

2283
01:48:59.195 --> 01:49:01.935
And they got turned in

2284
01:49:02.395 --> 01:49:04.295
and thought it was one of us.

2285
01:49:04.435 --> 01:49:06.375
So they wanted to get even with us.

2286
01:49:07.275 --> 01:49:10.055
So I wrote the letter to the district,

2287
01:49:10.175 --> 01:49:11.735
I still have a f*****g copy of it.

2288
01:49:12.065 --> 01:49:16.815
Never heard another word out of it. So it was a dead issue.

2289
01:49:16.875 --> 01:49:20.775
But that's a very interesting twist on why, you know, the,

2290
01:49:20.815 --> 01:49:22.335
a non-anonymous you could Right.

2291
01:49:22.555 --> 01:49:25.015
Go with somebody else. Again,

2292
01:49:25.015 --> 01:49:27.255
the whole point is it's found to be in violation.

2293
01:49:27.485 --> 01:49:29.495
It's now between them and the district.

2294
01:49:29.995 --> 01:49:30.935
The person that brought their

2295
01:49:30.935 --> 01:49:32.495
attention is out of the equation.

2296
01:49:33.895 --> 01:49:38.775
I would be more than happy to tell everybody in the district

2297
01:49:39.005 --> 01:49:42.055
that if you wanna file a complaint, call me

2298
01:49:42.055 --> 01:49:43.535
and I'll file it under my name.

2299
01:49:43.755 --> 01:49:44.815
Except for one problem.

2300
01:49:46.815 --> 01:49:49.645
I can't be home 24 hours a day every day.

2301
01:49:49.865 --> 01:49:54.125
And I, I'll stand toe to toe with anybody,

2302
01:49:54.225 --> 01:49:56.285
but I don't want my wife to have to face that.

2303
01:49:57.955 --> 01:50:01.295
She is very non-con confrontational.

2304
01:50:02.035 --> 01:50:05.095
And I kind of average it out because I'm the other way.

2305
01:50:05.835 --> 01:50:07.575
We just keep it the way it is. Yep.

2306
01:50:08.795 --> 01:50:10.895
So that, that wasn't an invitation

2307
01:50:10.955 --> 01:50:12.815
to anybody in here to call me, by the way.

2308
01:50:13.395 --> 01:50:16.695
Uh, but that's, I mean, that's the way I feel about it.

2309
01:50:17.555 --> 01:50:19.335
And it should, we know we don't have a problem.

2310
01:50:19.395 --> 01:50:21.775
You know, you were talking about the, the number

2311
01:50:21.775 --> 01:50:23.615
of multiple complaints and so forth.

2312
01:50:24.835 --> 01:50:29.615
2021, we had one person file somewhere

2313
01:50:29.615 --> 01:50:31.055
between two and five complaints.

2314
01:50:33.245 --> 01:50:34.265
2022.

2315
01:50:34.285 --> 01:50:37.505
We had two people file multiple complaints

2316
01:50:37.505 --> 01:50:38.585
between two and five.

2317
01:50:38.705 --> 01:50:43.385
I don't have the exact numbers. 23, it went up to 6 24

2318
01:50:43.645 --> 01:50:45.185
and actually went up to 11.

2319
01:50:45.525 --> 01:50:46.745
And that concerned me.

2320
01:50:46.965 --> 01:50:49.385
And we actually had one person file

2321
01:50:51.435 --> 01:50:53.965
more than six or more than five, six plus

2322
01:50:56.565 --> 01:50:59.405
I haven't found yet where that person

2323
01:50:59.435 --> 01:51:03.325
that supposedly filed 50 complaints in one day

2324
01:51:06.005 --> 01:51:07.795
where that information comes from.

2325
01:51:08.215 --> 01:51:11.955
And after living here for 12 years, I still want

2326
01:51:11.955 --> 01:51:14.715
to know why nobody has been able to get a picture

2327
01:51:14.775 --> 01:51:17.235
of those two little old ladies in the golf cart

2328
01:51:17.625 --> 01:51:20.115
with the clipboard.

2329
01:51:20.395 --> 01:51:23.555
I agree. Right. Rumor. Where are they? Come on.

2330
01:51:23.815 --> 01:51:26.595
We got tons of photographers around here. Yep. Mm-hmm.

2331
01:51:26.675 --> 01:51:29.915
Where are they? Okay. Shannon could confirm if we had quote

2332
01:51:29.915 --> 01:51:32.875
50 complaints in one day, has it ever happened?

2333
01:51:36.675 --> 01:51:40.555
I would not By one person.

2334
01:51:41.505 --> 01:51:46.435
Yeah. Okay. I mean, it's, it is not a perfect system.

2335
01:51:46.655 --> 01:51:49.875
It never will be. No perfect situation.

2336
01:51:49.975 --> 01:51:52.915
System will be when people follow up the rules.

2337
01:51:53.255 --> 01:51:54.595
And I just to point out one other thing.

2338
01:51:54.595 --> 01:51:56.035
I've spoken to some of the inspectors

2339
01:51:56.095 --> 01:51:58.875
and they have told me, they said, oh yes,

2340
01:51:58.975 --> 01:52:02.235
we have damn near been accosted in driveways by somebody

2341
01:52:02.235 --> 01:52:03.675
who was all upset because they were hitting,

2342
01:52:03.675 --> 01:52:04.995
being cited for a violation.

2343
01:52:05.385 --> 01:52:08.355
Imagine what somebody with a bad temper is gonna do

2344
01:52:08.355 --> 01:52:10.555
to somebody who turns them in and now they gotta spend money

2345
01:52:10.715 --> 01:52:11.715
'cause their landscaping is all

2346
01:52:11.715 --> 01:52:12.875
outta whack or something like that.

2347
01:52:14.055 --> 01:52:17.995
It would get ugly. Mark, my words we're good.

2348
01:52:18.735 --> 01:52:20.035
Should we note something

2349
01:52:20.055 --> 01:52:22.155
or that this is not gonna be an agenda?

2350
01:52:22.595 --> 01:52:23.835
Apparently we're, I think we're all in.

2351
01:52:24.175 --> 01:52:25.435
We talked about it last month.

2352
01:52:25.935 --> 01:52:28.715
Uh, I had an inkling some of this was gonna come back up

2353
01:52:28.775 --> 01:52:30.635
and so forth and well, unfortunately,

2354
01:52:30.635 --> 01:52:32.115
they apparently have a situation going in

2355
01:52:32.135 --> 01:52:35.715
and I don't know, I did not hear anything today

2356
01:52:37.295 --> 01:52:39.395
to make me change my mind. I think it

2357
01:52:39.395 --> 01:52:41.635
Would be adequate to make a mental note

2358
01:52:41.635 --> 01:52:43.315
that we've discussed it again at this meeting.

2359
01:52:43.375 --> 01:52:45.290
And if it comes up again, we can, can say

2360
01:52:45.290 --> 01:52:48.885
that we have discussed it this in the, in the August meeting

2361
01:52:48.945 --> 01:52:51.085
and have determined that we do not wish

2362
01:52:51.085 --> 01:52:52.405
to make any changes at this time.

2363
01:52:52.875 --> 01:52:54.765
Good. Well, and I'd like to point out what,

2364
01:52:54.795 --> 01:52:56.485
what the jack the data

2365
01:52:56.485 --> 01:52:58.605
that Jack was showing us is this board is data.

2366
01:52:58.835 --> 01:53:01.805
Data, um, you know, reliant, I mean, we like

2367
01:53:01.805 --> 01:53:03.285
to make decisions based on data

2368
01:53:03.745 --> 01:53:06.325
and the data just does not support a change.

2369
01:53:06.665 --> 01:53:11.565
Yep. We've got to remember that We've got, what,

2370
01:53:11.855 --> 01:53:15.485
6,300 rooftops or whatever in, uh, what is it?

2371
01:53:15.585 --> 01:53:18.885
Uh, 6,639 rooftops

2372
01:53:19.185 --> 01:53:20.645
in District 10.

2373
01:53:22.375 --> 01:53:25.955
If you take the average of 1.7

2374
01:53:26.985 --> 01:53:28.795
occupants per residence,

2375
01:53:28.845 --> 01:53:33.355
we've got over 11,000 people in this district that we need

2376
01:53:33.375 --> 01:53:34.435
to try to satisfy.

2377
01:53:36.195 --> 01:53:39.275
I, it's great that we had 25 people show up today,

2378
01:53:41.095 --> 01:53:43.955
but I can't make a decision based on those 25. Right.

2379
01:53:44.015 --> 01:53:45.515
The data doesn't Support. I have

2380
01:53:45.515 --> 01:53:46.755
to look at the overall picture

2381
01:53:46.935 --> 01:53:48.875
and the statistics that we are getting.

2382
01:53:51.835 --> 01:53:55.165
This is working for District 10

2383
01:53:56.185 --> 01:53:59.595
and until it stops working, you're go,

2384
01:53:59.595 --> 01:54:00.915
you're gonna have the isolated issue.

2385
01:54:01.095 --> 01:54:03.715
It did always, unfortunately, what's going the same as the,

2386
01:54:04.255 --> 01:54:07.435
it, it's a one off situation like tarps on the roof thing

2387
01:54:07.435 --> 01:54:08.475
because of the hurricane.

2388
01:54:09.345 --> 01:54:11.355
That'll stop. You know, it's unfortunate,

2389
01:54:11.415 --> 01:54:12.595
why did they turn my tarp

2390
01:54:12.595 --> 01:54:15.115
and there's still tarps down the street and who knows?

2391
01:54:16.015 --> 01:54:18.715
But that's a good example of people can do weird things

2392
01:54:18.815 --> 01:54:21.995
and you don't want to be turning people into vindictive, uh,

2393
01:54:23.645 --> 01:54:24.675
angry citizens.

2394
01:54:25.695 --> 01:54:28.915
Any other comments? No questions? Nope. No. Nope.

2395
01:54:29.335 --> 01:54:33.195
In that case, motion to adjourn. Second motion and a second.

2396
01:54:33.335 --> 01:54:38.075
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Meeting adjourned. Thank you.