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Call our meeting to order. We'll note that Supervisor Franklin is not here, but all

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the supervisors are. So we'll still stand for our pledge allegiance in a moment of

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silence.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the

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Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Welcome meeting attendees.

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If all you can participate in any of the

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agenda items. To do so, you have to come to the podium, state your name and address

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of where you live. And if you have any comments you want to make before we get into

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the agenda items, you can do so now.

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Okay.

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Nothing's coming up.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Joseph DeMaio, 1642 Bell Grove Drive, Villages at Some Chase.

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Anyway, it's not on the agenda, but I read something in the paper that might be

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interesting.

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Loomis, the fiber optic company, months ago, said they're the

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ones who were going to be installing fiber optic cable.

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They said they were going to do this with little interruption.

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So in the paper

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Wednesday, 10/7,

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there was

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two breaks, and it was in District 1 or 2, but they're still going to service 1, 2,

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and 3.

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There was a disruption where they broke a water line,

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28 homes without water-

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... until it was corrected. That's major interruption.

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And then on the 29th, fiber optic crew

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cut a sanitation line,

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55,000 gallons of waste poured out. Them are major interruptions.

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So it's either Dig Safe or the third-party construction

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company who are not being supervised. Now it's coming here with District 3.

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It's coming. I think they should be talked to and say, "Hey, you had some issues.

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Hopefully, we're not going to have the issues in District 3," because they were

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major interruptions. So I just wanted to bring it to the board's attention.

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Okay, thanks.

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Is that something you want to-

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Mike, you have somebody who probably deals with that issue, do you not?

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We've been working with them.

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Okay.

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Yeah. Through the utilities. It's been utility breaks, and they've been in

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communication with us and Jacob, so that already has been communicated.

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Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

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All right. Thanks.

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But we understand also that anything that happens, the company will be

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responsible for resolving the issue.

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That's correct.

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Yeah. Correct.

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Doesn't involve us.

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Okay. We'll move on to the next one is new business.

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No, wait. Another comment.

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Another one?

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Why not?

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You have to come to the podium. State your name, and address where you live.

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First of all, I'd like to return the gentleman's keys. Was it Ray?

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Oh.

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Sorry, Jake.

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Good morning. My name is Doug Taylor, and I am a resident of Villa Valdosta, 1960

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Peachtree Avenue.

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And my purpose for being here today is to bring up an

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issue that we have

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experienced over the life of Villa Valdosta, and that is the

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definition and discussion regarding temporary parking areas.

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Right now, and it has been for the last several years, we've had a lot of

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neighbors who have parked in these temporary areas as defined by The

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Villages,

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and it causes a bunch of grief for those who have guests coming.

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There's no place to park.

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Parking in areas, I think the term you use is the Peachtree stubs,

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where they just park back there by the fence.

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I understand those are to be used for egress and emergencies.

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What we're asking of the board

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is, we have a petition, is to better define or provide a

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definition of what is temporary parking.

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And the signage that went up after the last resolution,

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I have that here,

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does not dictate or describe what temporary is.

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It's ambiguous at best.

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So with that, I'd like to present to the board a petition.

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And I have

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several questions I'd like to ask of the board at this time, if it would be

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possible.

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Yes.

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My first question would be, what is the district's definition of temporary

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parking?

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And what we feel we need to know by definition, is there a

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timeframe? Are we talking 24 hours, 48, whatever?

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Secondly,

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are the three non-street dead ends approved for parking?

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Which, like I say, I think they call them stubs.

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Is lot hopping allowed? In other words, if they park in one spot,

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move the car each day or whatever, is that authorized?

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Are only current licensed vehicles permitted to park in the lots as well as

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golf carts?

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When is a vehicle considered abandoned?

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Are vehicles permitted to park on the street overnight

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or park half on, half off the street

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on their lots?

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And lastly, the question would be,

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who is responsible for monitoring these areas of parking?

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Bill.

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Is that a-

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Bill.

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Is that something we're supposed to do as homeowners,

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or is that something Neighborhood Watch is supposed to

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observe or monitor?

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These are some of the burning questions that we have.

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like I say, I guess

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there's probably a misunderstanding of what the rules and restrictions are

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by one side or the other, or both.

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So clarity at this point is

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our goal, so that if we are breaking the restrictions or the rules,

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we need to correct it. If we're not, we need to identify that we're not.

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You want to go ahead? I guess you're keeping me.

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I guess so. So to address your questions, the first question is probably the most

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difficult one, which is what is the definition of temporary parking?

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As you are aware, board, we have struggled with the definition of temporary

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parking, and not necessarily coming up with a definition, but how do you enforce

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it? Because we don't have somebody that is available to go and chalk

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tires and determine if they have, in fact, exceeded that temporary parking.

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Further-

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If you were to designate a definition of temporary and enforce it, that would apply

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to everybody. So we looked at various potential definitions.

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For example, you could not park there longer than 12 hours or 24 hours.

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But again, if you had a situation in which a friend or family was coming to stay

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with you for three days, they would no longer be eligible to park in that.

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So once you establish the rule, it then has to apply to everybody regardless of the

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situation. So then it was-

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What everybody mean?

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Anybody.

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You don't mean just our district?

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I mean anybody parking in those seats.

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Anybody parking there.

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In those spots. Correct.

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Okay.

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So currently, this board, nor do any of the other districts, have definitions for

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temporary parking, nor do we enforce the temporary parking, because again, we

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have not found a good way to do that.

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The second question, are the dead ends approved for parking?

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That answer is, again, they're not approved for parking.

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The intent is not parking, but we don't necessarily have an enforcement mechanism

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for that, unless there is

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something else wrong with the vehicle, which we'll get into in a different

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question. Is lot hopping allowed?

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Again, that's not something that we prohibit or enforce, so we have no way of

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enforcing whether or not somebody's moving their vehicle around.

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Number four, is current license fully allowed? That is correct.

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What we do have the ability to enforce is what the board and other districts have

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considered abandoned vehicles.

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Mm-hmm.

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Abandoned vehicles can be ones that do not have current tags or registration.

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It can be ones that are incapable of moving, flat tires, or even ones that are just

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there for extended periods of time.

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Again, not ones that are there every night, because that's obviously not an

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abandoned vehicle. But if we get a complaint that a vehicle has been there for two

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weeks straight, we will then attempt to notify the property owner, and we will

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notice that it could potentially be towed, because it just sitting there for two

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weeks could be considered abandoned.

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Number six, is parking permitted on the street?

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There's nothing in the deed restrictions that prohibits parking on The Village

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streets unless it is a truck and exceeds a three-quarter ton, a boat, or an RV.

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Mm-hmm.

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So again, parking, unless it's an abandoned vehicle, then there's nothing that

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prohibits that on your street.

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Carrie, I have a question on that. Those are our streets?

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Correct.

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Yeah. What precludes us from writing some kind of ordinance or writing

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some kind of a rule that would prohibit that type of thing?

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If we own the street, it's kind of like Lady Lake.

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Lady Lake decides who's permitted to park where, and they write those kinds of

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things. We could have signage to that effect. Could we not?

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We could work with Mr. Briones. We would have to look and see how the streets were

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dedicated on the plaque. But as you own the streets, there could be an opportunity

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for you to adopt a rule that says no parking on the streets.

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Again, it would have to apply to everybody if you found that that was a health,

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welfare, or safety concern. But we'd want to look at the plaques and see how

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they're dedicated to see if there's anything that would prohibit you from doing

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that. But certainly, we'd be happy to work with Mr.

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Briones if you would like us to.

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Well, I'd be the first one to have health and safety to Gail.

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He's been around with the fire and safety department.

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Surely they would have some input on that.

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As far as the enforcement ability, I can't believe we can't get community watch for

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someone to do something. If we come with the right kind of rules, we promulgate

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them, and this is what's going to happen, and then we follow through and do things.

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It's like trying to discipline a child.

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You can go ahead and say, "If you don't do this, we're going to do this.

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We're going to do this. We're going to do this." You never do it.

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I think we need to put some meat into this thing and then come up with a way to

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enforce it. I mean, to let it become ambiguous and everybody's not knowing what's

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going on. We knew it would come to this point.

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I think it's just a logical progression where we need to be. Yeah.

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And I think that we, as a board, need to address this as best we can.

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If it only applies to our district, so be it.

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But I think we need to absolutely put some meat into this thing-

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Dr. Curry

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... and let these people know because we're going to find scofflaws all the time

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who are going to

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go by everything they can. And I think it would be one thing if they weren't our

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streets. They're our street. So I think, the deed restriction and the plaque,

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certainly we have to address that issue.

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But I think beyond that, we then need to get together again.

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Well, I certainly see us being able to restrict parking on the street-

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Yeah

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... based upon the fact that they're our streets. They're not the county's.

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The county did not sign off on those.

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They're not made to standard with regard to code, and as a result, they're

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narrower. And yes, my 12 years with public safety,

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we encountered a whole bunch of problems.

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Obviously, a number of these homes get serviced by individuals who are mowing

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lawns-

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... who are doing plumbing work, and they frequently park in the street.

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Well, the biggest problem you get is somebody who comes along to visit and parks on

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the other side of the street, and the opening to get through is just fine for a

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car, but it's a little tough for a half-a-million-dollar firetruck.

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Yep.

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Now, our answer was real simple. We'll move it.

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They may not like how we move it, but we would move it.

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But the bottom line is if we're talking about the parking, yes, I think we can

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probably move an ordinance through that says no parking on the streets for more

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than, pick a time.

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Right.

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We'll have to hash that out because obviously if somebody's there with a lawn

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service and is going to trim shrubs, is going to do other work, they're not going

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to be there for 15 minutes. So-

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Well, right

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... I think that's an issue that we need to deal with.

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As for the parking in Valdosta, I've been working on-- Well, first of all, the

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board has worked on this for years.

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As a matter of fact, we had a workshop

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a few years ago that dealt specifically with this issue, and we could never, no

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matter how hard we tried, we could not come up with an answer to temporary, as you

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said. And the wording that's on the sign now

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may not fully satisfy need. However, we all knew what our intent was.

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The intent was overflow parking for guests.

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This is not a case of using overflow parking.

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My wife and I, our first home in The Villages,

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150 years ago-

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... was a patio villa, and we actually lived at the end of the street, a stub

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street. We got told very quickly and very loudly the stub street was not a place to

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park, period.

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And we had the traditional car and a half garage. My wife had a car. I had a car.

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Yeah.

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Every time my wife wanted to go out, I had to go out and move my car. Okay.

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We did that for six years, and that's the way it was because we lived in a patio

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villa, and we didn't have the room, and I was not about to park on the lawn.

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So as a result, it had to get moved. This issue with regard to the overflow

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parking, the one thing that we walked away from with that meeting was the intent,

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and the intent was it's not resident parking.

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If you've got two cars in the household, that is not your private parking spot for

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that second car. And in some cases, you've got two cars,

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maybe even three cars if there are three adults living in the home.

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Supervisor Biddle and I are very familiar with this and the fact that we have a

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home on Russian Drive, car and a half garage.

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Yeah.

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There is a truck parked in the driveway, big truck parked in the driveway, and it's

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evidently the son of the owner, and the owner, who has a Subaru Forester,

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naturally parks

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on his driveway. He pulls in so that he's across the driveway, but the whole car

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is on the driveway. It's not in the street to accommodate us.

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I

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think that's wonderful that he does that.

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And he doesn't really have to do that because since Russian Drive is county

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controlled, county owned, basically-

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Yeah

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... they can park in the street. He could park that car in the street if he wanted

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to. Now, I think he also recognizes that parking in the street puts him in a

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position where that car may very well get hit because it's right there on a curve,

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too.

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But we've wrestled with this, and I know that there are three cars in particular

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that you people are dealing with. Blue Honda,

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red Jeep, and the Kia at the sub-street.

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I've been working with Caitlin.

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Mm-hmm.

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And

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the

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Kia at the sub-street won't be a problem. That has expired tags.

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Evidently, the owner, the husband is deceased, and the wife is in

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memory care, and the house has been, for all intents and purposes, abandoned.

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So

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that car can be taken care of relatively easily. We are awaiting something from Mr.

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Briones, our attorney, so that we can do this through due process and

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do it legally so that car can be towed.

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As for the other two, again, it's due process about getting the intent

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dealt with about it's not resident parking.

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I can understand if you come home and you need to drop something off and you park

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there. Again, Mr. Biddle and I went through part of this.

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We had a resident who, every day, would come home from a part-time job and park his

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truck in the overflow parking. He lived right around the corner from the overflow

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parking. This went on for years until we dealt with part of this issue, and he

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was made to understand you can't do that.

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Because while it may be okay for most of the year,

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when it comes time for Christmas, Easter, summer vacation, whatever,

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those overflow parking spots become quite precious when family comes to visit.

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So this is not new, and I've spent quite a bit of time on the

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phone. I know that I spoke with you and I spoke with Martin Grubb. Is he here?

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I don't

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think so. I've been dealing with both you and him, and I've been dealing with Ms.

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Masoni at district office. We're working on it, trying to get there, and

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I believe at this point,

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all three of those vehicles,

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we can get a resolution to all three of those vehicles after Mr.

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Briones provides the appropriate paperwork.

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Well, we did think it was in the past.

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I know that Carrie, you addressed that issue, and we did too.

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It would seem to me like on those sub-street, those questions could certainly be

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answered very quickly by posting the no parking sign.

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So the Kia on the sub-street, as Mr. Lazoni stated, Mr.

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Briones has, as soon as he provides us with a notice, which we're hoping for today,

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that will get posted, and if it's not moved within, I believe we give them 48 or 72

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hours, that one will be towed.

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I think it's 72.

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Yeah. So we do have teeth. When it comes to abandoned vehicles, this

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board has authorized us to tow vehicles, and we have towed more out of District 3

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than probably the other districts. The problem comes in, as Mr.

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Lazoni stated, is we have talked for hours about how to define temporary, and

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that's where we haven't been able to come up with a good option as staff or as

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partnership with the board of how to get the homeowners who are just using it and

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jumping around to the different spaces.

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But when it comes to the Jeep, the Kia, and the Honda, I believe the Honda just

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came back and Caitlin's reaching out to them today.

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We are moving forward, and as long as they meet that definition of the abandoned,

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which most of them do, then they will be towed per your policy.

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And from what I understand from Caitlin,

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all of the owners of the vehicles in question have received communication from the

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district-

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That's correct

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... and have told them, "This has got to be fixed, period."

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I would further request when they tow it, turn their lights on so everybody in the

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whole village know that we're there towing those vehicles.

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Yeah.

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Joseph DeMaio, 1642 Bilbo Drive,

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Cottages of Summerchase. I do not live in the Valdosta Village, but I live in

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Village at the Cottages of Summerchase.

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We addressed this board regarding street parking months ago, where

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I found in the district amendments that this board revised

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on-street parking in October 29th of '24.

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Whereas this board can designate or tell Village Watch that we've got a problem

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with a car parking on the street, and Village Watch will put a tag on

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cars that are parking on the street, and that's how that issue got resolved for the

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Cottages of Summerchase. This board has that authority for on-street parking.

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I just wanted to bring that to your attention.

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Yeah, I think we can work with Chief Wolfe because I don't know how he has his

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people assigned, but in District 3, there should certainly be a cadre of

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individuals, even though they rotate, who specifically cover District 3.

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I don't think he'd send them all over the other districts.

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So they should know exactly where we stand on that, and particularly if we're

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talking about on-street parking.

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If we don't have signage, we hate to clutter up these streets.

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But if it needs to be done, then it needs to be done.

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So therefore, we'll have a basis upon which we're going to do this.

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But I think that there's no reason why we can't get in touch with Community Watch

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and let them let us know what's going on.

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I have two more inputs, if you will.

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When we purchased our homes over there,

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we got a plot map, and this is the territory or the area that

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you have purchased,

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your home and everything. Nowhere does it include

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the village's temporary parking area as part of your deed.

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It is an opportunity to park there if you need it for whatever

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purposes, not extended.

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Knowing that there's times when people come to visit,

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especially this time of the year at the holidays, and they may come for four days,

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a week, or two weeks.

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The way that I would recommend to address that is through the

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guest ID cards.

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That tells you how long you're going to be here, and they could probably print out

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a little paper that they can put in the window of the car so that they could park

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there without being

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picked on, for lack of a better term.

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Just saying that I'm a guest of Doug Taylor, parking here from November

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15th to November 19th,

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and that should cover that for the extended times of year or if you're having work

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done on your home where you can't get into your driveway.

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The same thing would occur. You just put something in your window for Neighborhood

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Watch to look at and say, "Okay," and they jot that down.

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And that way, you have an accountability.

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Yep.

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But again, we go back to the question of

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if we're not going to put teeth into it, if it's not, why even have it?

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Because-

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We thought when we did this after the workshop, what, a year and a half

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ago or so?

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Yeah, it's a while ago.

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We thought that we had brought some resolution.

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Well,

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it's obvious that we haven't because we can't agree on how you

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deal with that issue of temporary.

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I mean, is temporary, "Okay, I'm having the house renovated and I need to be out of

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the garage and it's going to be three months." I would look at that as being

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temporary because I'm going to go back in the house after it's renovated.

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But when it comes to parking the car in there, not hardly temporary.

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So we can't come to a resolution with regard to temporary.

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I do believe after looking at this issue again, probably now

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about the fourth time for me,

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after looking at it again, I think we probably do need to come up with something

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that may tighten up the issue because once again, there's no intent for

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that temporary parking, for that overflow parking to accommodate a resident

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who simply needs a place to park their car.

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That's correct.

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It's not intended for that purpose.

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Agreed.

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And I recognize that the sub-street may be inviting But that's not what it's for

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either. So I think we're going to have to revisit this issue.

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Carrie, in working with the people that, say, right here at Tavanis Center that

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issue the ID cards and so on and so forth, would it be possible that if a

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homeowner, let's say Doug knows he's going to have somebody be there for two weeks,

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that Doug very much like coming up here and getting an ID, at the same time would

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say, "Oh, I also need a parking permit for my people for two weeks." Is there

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anything that would prevent us from being able to ask that person to be able to--

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Because we're only talking a few villas within District 3.

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We're not talking about 11 of these things.

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110.

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Pardon?

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We have 110 villas.

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Yeah. I mean, in terms of Valdosta and Berea, and all the other villas that we have

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within our District 3, I'm not concerned about four.

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But is there any reason why we couldn't maybe look at that being something that we

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could, again, it would be incumbent upon the property owner living in that villa

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needing a permit to come up here, and telling them you need a permit for so long,

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and they're coming up here to get the IDs anyhow. Why couldn't we do that?

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You could. You can do anything when it comes to that type of process.

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You would just need to have a process in place, and then as you are only funded

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through maintenance assessments and community watch, recreation, all of the staff

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is funded through amenity fees-

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Right

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... you would have to compensate the amenity fund for those services.

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So we would just have to come up with some type of a-

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Well, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

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So, certainly if this is something you would like to put on your agenda for next

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month and have staff start coming up with some ideas, we can certainly do that.

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Yeah, please do.

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Yeah. Sure.

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I think

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Doug might be a good resource. It seems to me, if you've got a pulse and a sense in

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the field, and you have a vested interest, that's-

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Sure

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... and if you want to provide your input and your suggestions or anyone here, if

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you want to come forth and do that and help us, then we can do that as well.

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The problem is we have a finite number of minutes that we meet here once a month.

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Right.

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And in the mean-- We have a sunshine now that precludes us from talking to each

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other about these issues, which is a bunch--

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Well, the only problem

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where I have

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mixed feelings about is nobody wants to be

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the person who is going to be pointed out as, "Well, you told on me."

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No, I know that.

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Okay. Which I don't have a problem with that.

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Good.

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But the point of the matter is, I think it's a misunderstanding.

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Like I say, those of us who have been in our villas 19 plus years,

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when we moved here, we knew what the rules were.

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Right.

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We knew what they're-- We read our restrictions. We know what they are.

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As the newer

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replacements, as people have passed on, moved on, whatever, maybe it wasn't

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explained to them as well as it was to us.

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So that being said,

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education for them by giving some solid, concrete

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information as, "This is the rules.

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You can't do that,"

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would be beneficial.

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I don't see a problem with that. I also think that would be something I'd direct to

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you, Carrie, that if you come up with something that you think that we could have

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it reproduced and distributed. Again, there's not that many households in-

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Right

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... in those villas that we couldn't have it distributed and have some official

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clout behind it because it'd become under the letter head of the villages, and it'd

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be signed by yourself or someone that has-

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Right

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... significant input. And I think that's probably a great idea rather than going

479
00:31:13.758 --> 00:31:15.408
around and trying to individually address it.

480
00:31:16.818 --> 00:31:18.018
One last suggestion.

481
00:31:18.078 --> 00:31:21.889
Oh, and just before we move on. Okay, that's enough of you.

482
00:31:22.698 --> 00:31:27.498
I have been here to this committee two years ago.

483
00:31:28.098 --> 00:31:28.908
I came twice.

484
00:31:29.118 --> 00:31:31.158
Did you state your name and address?

485
00:31:31.158 --> 00:31:35.298
My name is Sharon Molina. I'm from Valdosta as well.

486
00:31:35.419 --> 00:31:38.149
I've been here since the year 2005.

487
00:31:39.198 --> 00:31:41.868
I came here two years ago to this,

488
00:31:43.639 --> 00:31:48.889
and my complaint was the same, and nothing had been done about it.

489
00:31:48.948 --> 00:31:49.548
Not true.

490
00:31:49.878 --> 00:31:49.968
No.

491
00:31:49.998 --> 00:31:51.169
We've towed vehicles, ma'am.

492
00:31:51.228 --> 00:31:51.708
Wait a minute.

493
00:31:52.669 --> 00:31:53.839
We have towed vehicles.

494
00:31:54.169 --> 00:31:55.279
Can I speak, please?

495
00:31:55.339 --> 00:31:56.748
Yes, but don't be speaking lies.

496
00:31:57.529 --> 00:31:57.618
I

497
00:31:59.149 --> 00:32:00.169
beg your pardon.

498
00:32:00.348 --> 00:32:00.919
I do, too.

499
00:32:02.268 --> 00:32:07.818
First of all, I have not seen that red Jeep move in four

500
00:32:07.908 --> 00:32:13.008
years, and I can tell you why, because I know for a fact that

501
00:32:13.788 --> 00:32:18.589
it's broke. It doesn't work. I try to help them jump it

502
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:24.889
myself personally. I try to help them move it with my own body.

503
00:32:25.488 --> 00:32:27.258
So hang on there.

504
00:32:27.828 --> 00:32:29.419
What did we tow, Carrie?

505
00:32:30.708 --> 00:32:32.718
I don't have them all in front of me.

506
00:32:32.868 --> 00:32:36.558
I know we're working with the owners of the red Jeep right now.

507
00:32:37.339 --> 00:32:41.658
They indicated to staff that within two weeks they were supposed to have sold the

508
00:32:41.718 --> 00:32:43.279
red Jeep. So we were working with Mr.

509
00:32:43.518 --> 00:32:48.678
Briones as to providing notice, and then on that day after the two weeks, I believe

510
00:32:48.738 --> 00:32:52.068
we've communicated with Mr. Lazenby that it would be towed.

511
00:32:52.639 --> 00:32:56.718
And I believe it has been towed in the past, but that was one that they also moved

512
00:32:56.779 --> 00:32:58.758
from one parking space to another.

513
00:32:59.328 --> 00:33:04.399
See, that's part of the problem. It may look like the vehicle has not moved in the

514
00:33:04.428 --> 00:33:09.978
four years or so, but what they've done in a couple of cases is move from that one

515
00:33:10.128 --> 00:33:12.258
spot to the spot next, and then move it right back.

516
00:33:12.618 --> 00:33:12.889
No.

517
00:33:13.578 --> 00:33:13.968
Thank you.

518
00:33:14.988 --> 00:33:16.998
And I had also called

519
00:33:19.938 --> 00:33:22.728
Kathleen, D-E-F-F-O-N-I.

520
00:33:23.628 --> 00:33:23.658
Defoni.

521
00:33:23.688 --> 00:33:29.478
She is a standard-- Yeah. And she told me that she would handle

522
00:33:29.568 --> 00:33:34.938
it, and she would get in touch with these people. So she did, just recently.

523
00:33:35.628 --> 00:33:40.848
Well, guess what? The person that she went and talked to on the phone or knocked on

524
00:33:40.908 --> 00:33:46.698
the door, I don't know. All I know that I had a nasty note taped on my

525
00:33:46.758 --> 00:33:52.188
door from this person about mind your own business,

526
00:33:53.268 --> 00:33:56.988
get a hobby, and was cursed at. All right?

527
00:33:57.768 --> 00:34:01.938
Now, I wasn't going to come today, but just about half of the people that are

528
00:34:01.968 --> 00:34:07.458
concerned at Valdosta and they're fed up with this is like, "When are you going to

529
00:34:07.488 --> 00:34:13.158
do something?" Another thing, on the back side of this where the other parking

530
00:34:13.218 --> 00:34:15.858
lot is, we have a

531
00:34:17.478 --> 00:34:22.848
resident that is running a business in his garage, a car business.

532
00:34:22.968 --> 00:34:28.908
So he gets cars, he parks them in the vacant parking lot, works on them in the car,

533
00:34:29.419 --> 00:34:33.048
and then it's a rotation type of thing. All right?

534
00:34:33.949 --> 00:34:37.758
So that's something that needs to be said and addressed.

535
00:34:39.078 --> 00:34:41.449
Yeah, I don't believe they can run a business like that, can they?

536
00:34:42.618 --> 00:34:42.798
No.

537
00:34:43.968 --> 00:34:44.118
So-

538
00:34:45.678 --> 00:34:47.328
Do we have an address on who's doing it?

539
00:34:47.358 --> 00:34:48.708
Yeah, I was going to say, have you turned that in?

540
00:34:48.738 --> 00:34:51.978
The people that live on the other side probably do.

541
00:34:52.488 --> 00:34:55.458
I live in the front, very close in the parking lot.

542
00:34:56.268 --> 00:35:00.228
To indicate that nothing has been done isn't correct.

543
00:35:00.288 --> 00:35:05.628
We may not have satisfied or resolved this problem, but I can tell you that

544
00:35:06.288 --> 00:35:09.438
in the past, there have been a number of cars that have been towed.

545
00:35:09.828 --> 00:35:09.978
Yeah.

546
00:35:10.338 --> 00:35:11.598
Based upon the change in the

547
00:35:13.338 --> 00:35:14.718
direction from this board.

548
00:35:15.018 --> 00:35:17.718
And this is currently being worked on, is that correct?

549
00:35:18.348 --> 00:35:20.449
I hope so, because I'm looking at it every day.

550
00:35:20.538 --> 00:35:22.279
Okay, she's saying yes, it is.

551
00:35:23.298 --> 00:35:23.478
Okay.

552
00:35:23.538 --> 00:35:26.449
So hopefully we can get a resolution to this because it's obviously

553
00:35:28.038 --> 00:35:29.029
been there a long time.

554
00:35:29.388 --> 00:35:33.048
Okay. I don't want to come back here in the new year and still seeing the same

555
00:35:33.048 --> 00:35:33.048
thing.

556
00:35:33.138 --> 00:35:35.418
No, I understand. I agree.

557
00:35:35.868 --> 00:35:37.038
Okay. Thank you.

558
00:35:37.398 --> 00:35:42.168
And Mr. Chair, it says to the board, if you prefer us not wait the two weeks to tow

559
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.529
their Jeep, it does qualify for towing under your rule.

560
00:35:45.588 --> 00:35:47.298
We can certainly move forward now.

561
00:35:47.478 --> 00:35:48.348
We'll move forward now-

562
00:35:49.068 --> 00:35:49.128
Absolutely

563
00:35:49.158 --> 00:35:49.998
... I would say, wouldn't you?

564
00:35:50.478 --> 00:35:51.288
Absolutely.

565
00:35:51.378 --> 00:35:52.188
Don't wait two weeks.

566
00:35:52.279 --> 00:35:54.498
And then please somebody notify her that we've done it.

567
00:35:54.558 --> 00:36:00.048
See, and I was told by Caitlin that we have to wait for some type of in-writing

568
00:36:00.168 --> 00:36:01.248
action by Mr. Briones.

569
00:36:01.308 --> 00:36:04.668
We do, and Mr. Briones, you, I'm sure you hear this conversation.

570
00:36:04.758 --> 00:36:06.888
Can we get that notice by the end of today, please?

571
00:36:07.968 --> 00:36:10.908
Yeah, I'll do it after this meeting between District 4 and District 3.

572
00:36:11.388 --> 00:36:15.378
So it will be posted this afternoon, and if it's not moved within the time

573
00:36:15.438 --> 00:36:19.548
allotted, again, I can't remember off the top of my head if it's 48 or 72, then

574
00:36:19.608 --> 00:36:20.268
we'll have it towed.

575
00:36:20.508 --> 00:36:21.648
Okay, very good. Thanks.

576
00:36:22.638 --> 00:36:25.848
If the red Jeep can be towed, then certainly the Kia can be towed.

577
00:36:25.908 --> 00:36:26.208
That's

578
00:36:27.738 --> 00:36:28.188
a fair comment.

579
00:36:28.248 --> 00:36:31.068
Agreed. It'll be both of them.

580
00:36:31.428 --> 00:36:31.668
Okay.

581
00:36:34.086 --> 00:36:37.416
Can you look into the thing of someone running a business

582
00:36:38.826 --> 00:36:39.126
out of their-

583
00:36:39.486 --> 00:36:43.356
I believe we've already gotten that and provided it to the developer because as you

584
00:36:43.416 --> 00:36:43.596
know-

585
00:36:43.956 --> 00:36:44.016
Yeah

586
00:36:44.047 --> 00:36:45.006
... we cannot enforce-

587
00:36:45.186 --> 00:36:45.456
Okay

588
00:36:45.486 --> 00:36:49.116
... that restriction.

589
00:36:49.146 --> 00:36:49.146
Yes, sir.

590
00:36:49.177 --> 00:36:51.966
Hi, Andre Mochan, 1936 Peachtree, Villa Valdosta.

591
00:36:52.567 --> 00:36:54.966
Red Jeep's been there four years in the exact same space.

592
00:36:55.056 --> 00:36:59.886
Last time they refinished all of the asphalt in the Villa, which was a couple weeks

593
00:36:59.946 --> 00:37:04.236
ago, a month ago, there was a note put on the red Jeep that it was immobile, and

594
00:37:04.236 --> 00:37:08.047
they had to paint around it. So it's been there for way longer than you think it

595
00:37:08.106 --> 00:37:12.096
is. You guys did do something. You changed the sign, which now has new signage,

596
00:37:12.516 --> 00:37:15.817
which is now more confusing because it simply says resident and guest, correct?

597
00:37:15.876 --> 00:37:16.086
Yeah.

598
00:37:16.326 --> 00:37:21.516
So that makes it more confusing. My parents lived here 25 years, my wife's parents

599
00:37:21.547 --> 00:37:24.246
lived here 27 years. Many other districts deal with it differently.

600
00:37:24.306 --> 00:37:27.126
It says guest parking. It does not say resident parking.

601
00:37:27.456 --> 00:37:30.186
So that's one of the first things. You guys changed the sign, this all happened,

602
00:37:30.696 --> 00:37:35.047
and it kind of gave the red burgundy Jeep kind of like a, "Oh, well, we have an ID

603
00:37:35.106 --> 00:37:39.006
card, so now we can park it." And so that's really what the call out is, is that

604
00:37:39.036 --> 00:37:41.196
burgundy Jeep and the car flipping on the other side.

605
00:37:41.526 --> 00:37:46.956
There's only 11 spaces in Villa Valdosta. There's 110 homes. So that's 10%.

606
00:37:47.076 --> 00:37:51.246
One person parks there as a resident, that takes up 10% of the parking.

607
00:37:51.306 --> 00:37:51.516
Mm-hmm.

608
00:37:52.356 --> 00:37:58.116
2, 20%, 3, 30%, 4, 40%, et cetera. I went to the dentist 6:45 in the morning,

609
00:37:58.476 --> 00:38:02.166
all five spaces on the one side were taken, and all six spaces on the left side

610
00:38:02.196 --> 00:38:04.506
were taken at 6:30 in the morning on Wednesday.

611
00:38:05.136 --> 00:38:08.376
So you can't tell me they're all guests. They're all residents. It's okay.

612
00:38:08.406 --> 00:38:10.866
You want to park in the street, you need to make a rule that they can park on the

613
00:38:10.925 --> 00:38:13.746
street. They want to park and hang their tires off in the street in front of their

614
00:38:13.776 --> 00:38:16.866
driveway, that's great. Make a rule for it. You need to make rules for it.

615
00:38:17.166 --> 00:38:19.956
And if they don't follow the rules, then you need to impose what you need to

616
00:38:20.016 --> 00:38:20.466
impose.

617
00:38:20.736 --> 00:38:21.186
Well, I can tell you-

618
00:38:21.186 --> 00:38:23.047
The other districts will tow in 48 hours.

619
00:38:23.196 --> 00:38:26.916
I can tell you the issue will definitely be revisited in the long run.

620
00:38:27.276 --> 00:38:28.116
In the short term,

621
00:38:29.317 --> 00:38:32.196
we can deal with two of the vehicles at least.

622
00:38:32.736 --> 00:38:32.946
Right.

623
00:38:33.276 --> 00:38:36.576
But we're going to wind up having to look again at the signage to make sure that

624
00:38:37.056 --> 00:38:41.406
the intent-- The problem is we couldn't come up with language to hit the intent

625
00:38:41.496 --> 00:38:44.797
either about the fact that this is not resident parking.

626
00:38:44.856 --> 00:38:45.726
There's a time limit, right? There's a time limit.

627
00:38:45.786 --> 00:38:46.806
But you're going to look at this and-

628
00:38:46.806 --> 00:38:47.616
So you also want a time limit?

629
00:38:48.126 --> 00:38:49.086
You're going to look back at this-

630
00:38:49.567 --> 00:38:50.346
So the time limit-

631
00:38:50.376 --> 00:38:52.326
... with some ideas and put it on the agenda.

632
00:38:53.047 --> 00:38:54.547
Seven days in a 30-day period.

633
00:38:55.206 --> 00:38:55.206
Okay.

634
00:38:55.236 --> 00:38:56.916
There's a time limit. You just got to pick one.

635
00:38:58.086 --> 00:38:58.266
Right.

636
00:38:58.266 --> 00:38:59.766
48 hours and it's been a one-week period.

637
00:38:59.797 --> 00:39:02.106
Whatever it may be, you need to pick it, and you need to choose it.

638
00:39:02.166 --> 00:39:04.146
And then when that happens, then it can be addressed.

639
00:39:04.297 --> 00:39:04.446
Okay.

640
00:39:04.506 --> 00:39:07.746
If it's 90 days, it's 90 days. If it's the amount of time that a guest can have an

641
00:39:07.806 --> 00:39:11.466
ID, which is what, 29, 30 days, whatever it is, then that needs to be the time

642
00:39:11.496 --> 00:39:14.016
limit. You guys need to pick one. Because you're never going to solve it.

643
00:39:14.076 --> 00:39:16.836
They're all going to be upset. Everyone's going to be upset when they got to

644
00:39:16.866 --> 00:39:19.656
squeeze through cars. Everyone will be upset when my friend finally comes to visit

645
00:39:19.716 --> 00:39:22.776
from North Carolina, I haven't seen him in three years, and I had to tell him to go

646
00:39:23.047 --> 00:39:26.706
find somewhere, a hotel, because I don't have a place to put his car. Right?

647
00:39:26.946 --> 00:39:27.006
Mm-hmm.

648
00:39:27.067 --> 00:39:29.466
That's what's going to happen. So you guys need to figure it out.

649
00:39:29.766 --> 00:39:32.406
It can't be next month, it can't be next year.

650
00:39:32.677 --> 00:39:35.586
It can't be two years from now, which is what occurred here.

651
00:39:35.616 --> 00:39:39.036
The red Jeep's been there four years. That's an example of your progress.

652
00:39:39.516 --> 00:39:42.186
So you guys need to figure it out. We can figure it out for you.

653
00:39:42.456 --> 00:39:47.285
I would say 48 hours, and if it's still there in one of those 11 spaces, it's

654
00:39:47.317 --> 00:39:49.506
getting towed. The end. That's what I would say.

655
00:39:49.806 --> 00:39:52.746
I'm not diplomatic like them because that doesn't involve me.

656
00:39:52.866 --> 00:39:54.156
I'm in the very back of the parking lot.

657
00:39:54.276 --> 00:39:57.067
I never park in guest parking, but it affects all of them.

658
00:39:57.547 --> 00:40:00.636
And if I had my way, I wouldn't be diplomatic. "Well, there might be someone." No.

659
00:40:01.116 --> 00:40:03.846
48 hours, it's still there, if it blocks spaces, it's gone.

660
00:40:04.177 --> 00:40:08.946
All those 11 spaces are one space. They're one space. They're not 11 spaces.

661
00:40:08.976 --> 00:40:12.606
They're one space. That would be my solution. 48 hours, you're gone.

662
00:40:13.116 --> 00:40:16.806
Hopefully, you'll find a better diplomatic solution to that. Anything I forget?

663
00:40:16.986 --> 00:40:17.376
Anybody?

664
00:40:17.376 --> 00:40:17.376
I

665
00:40:18.606 --> 00:40:19.297
think you got it.

666
00:40:19.386 --> 00:40:20.196
There's a woman behind you.

667
00:40:20.196 --> 00:40:20.196
Oh.

668
00:40:20.226 --> 00:40:20.736
Anything I forget?

669
00:40:20.797 --> 00:40:24.246
No.

670
00:40:24.276 --> 00:40:24.276
Okay.

671
00:40:24.306 --> 00:40:24.666
Thank you.

672
00:40:26.736 --> 00:40:31.836
Okay. And you're going to take a look further at what we can do within the

673
00:40:32.496 --> 00:40:34.896
district, and it will be on our agenda?

674
00:40:35.346 --> 00:40:39.547
It will be on the agenda. The difference in the signage is due to the plats.

675
00:40:39.756 --> 00:40:45.276
Some plats in the village say that it is designated for invitees and guests only.

676
00:40:45.427 --> 00:40:45.576
Uh-huh.

677
00:40:45.606 --> 00:40:50.166
Some, such as in District 2, say that it is for the use of residents and their

678
00:40:50.226 --> 00:40:55.536
guests. That's why your signage says residents on it and some others do not.

679
00:40:55.596 --> 00:40:59.196
That was when the original plats were filed through the county.

680
00:41:00.486 --> 00:41:02.376
Okay. What would it take to get a change on this?

681
00:41:04.266 --> 00:41:05.317
Mr. Briones?

682
00:41:07.146 --> 00:41:12.186
A change to the rule? To the plat. Oh, yeah. The plat can't be changed.

683
00:41:13.836 --> 00:41:18.666
So again, that doesn't mean that you can't come up with a definition for temporary,

684
00:41:19.116 --> 00:41:23.526
and maybe you don't want the signs there advertising that it is for the use of

685
00:41:23.586 --> 00:41:27.516
residents. I don't disagree about education.

686
00:41:27.666 --> 00:41:32.016
Always that is the first opportunity to try to prevent behavior such as this.

687
00:41:32.436 --> 00:41:37.266
But I will tell you, as being one of the ones who have contacted the individuals

688
00:41:37.297 --> 00:41:41.616
that are using these spaces, they know that they are not using it for the intent of

689
00:41:41.646 --> 00:41:45.936
what the spaces were. They are not, "Oh, thank you for informing me.

690
00:41:46.056 --> 00:41:48.606
I didn't know," when you have those conversations.

691
00:41:48.666 --> 00:41:54.246
So although typically I completely agree with education, this is not going to be

692
00:41:54.306 --> 00:41:56.226
one of those where you can just use education.

693
00:41:56.616 --> 00:42:00.906
Okay. I think if we take action

694
00:42:03.067 --> 00:42:07.776
and do it consistently with these vehicles, it's going to send a clear message,

695
00:42:08.677 --> 00:42:12.726
hopefully. So we're going to take action soon on this part, right?

696
00:42:12.966 --> 00:42:18.606
What you just have to determine is do you want to define temporary and say that

697
00:42:20.286 --> 00:42:25.686
you are only eligible to park a vehicle associated with this house for X amount of

698
00:42:25.776 --> 00:42:26.136
time-

699
00:42:26.406 --> 00:42:26.677
Yeah

700
00:42:26.677 --> 00:42:30.456
... days in a row. Which again, keep in mind, then if you have somebody coming to

701
00:42:30.516 --> 00:42:33.636
your property for longer than that, then they're going to be towed.

702
00:42:33.996 --> 00:42:34.146
Yep.

703
00:42:34.416 --> 00:42:40.297
Or you can do it in, as Supervisor Biddle mentioned, maybe getting some

704
00:42:40.356 --> 00:42:44.946
type of a parking pass, and as long as that parking pass is valid, then it's

705
00:42:45.036 --> 00:42:50.797
not towed. However, again, you have to have somebody that goes out and

706
00:42:50.826 --> 00:42:51.756
monitors this.

707
00:42:51.817 --> 00:42:52.656
Yeah. Understand.

708
00:42:52.716 --> 00:42:56.856
Everything that we do is a complaint-driven process, so it could be that a neighbor

709
00:42:56.946 --> 00:43:01.386
sees that it's out of date, and they call us, and then we take action.

710
00:43:02.286 --> 00:43:07.776
You can do any of that. You just have to implement it and then, again, pay to have

711
00:43:07.806 --> 00:43:08.586
those services.

712
00:43:08.646 --> 00:43:13.297
Great. Understand. So we're going to deal with this at our next meeting.

713
00:43:14.976 --> 00:43:16.206
Go ahead, ma'am.

714
00:43:17.136 --> 00:43:18.817
Do we have to park 11 vehicles?

715
00:43:19.746 --> 00:43:24.786
So just again, for the residents, this board cannot take action on anything that

716
00:43:24.846 --> 00:43:27.456
has not been publicly noticed on the agenda.

717
00:43:27.547 --> 00:43:27.547
Right.

718
00:43:27.576 --> 00:43:29.766
So even if they wanted to do something today-

719
00:43:30.186 --> 00:43:30.276
Understood

720
00:43:30.276 --> 00:43:34.356
... it was not noticed on the agenda, and they cannot take action on it.

721
00:43:34.416 --> 00:43:34.656
Right.

722
00:43:35.496 --> 00:43:39.276
Excuse me. The chair mentioned that the thing with you is still about the red-

723
00:43:39.396 --> 00:43:43.986
And Mr. Chair, these meetings are recorded, and you have to, if you're going to

724
00:43:44.047 --> 00:43:46.476
speak, come up to the microphone and state your name and address.

725
00:43:46.686 --> 00:43:47.436
Let this woman-

726
00:43:48.396 --> 00:43:49.686
Can I just speak for a couple minutes?

727
00:43:50.526 --> 00:43:50.916
Go ahead.

728
00:43:51.306 --> 00:43:54.486
Good morning. My name is Paula Raven. I live at 1824 Peachtree.

729
00:43:54.547 --> 00:43:58.026
We are new to the neighborhood. We now understand the rules and the regulations,

730
00:43:58.086 --> 00:44:02.886
and we will comply 100%. My concern of the neighborhood is the state law speed

731
00:44:02.946 --> 00:44:07.476
limit is 10 miles an hour. People go past my house so fast.

732
00:44:08.106 --> 00:44:12.006
Someone is going to get hurt. We keep our dog on a leash.

733
00:44:12.096 --> 00:44:16.806
We walk out like we're walking out onto a, I don't know what, because people are

734
00:44:16.866 --> 00:44:22.146
looking at their phones, texting, driving past my house, I'd say 25, 30 miles an

735
00:44:22.236 --> 00:44:25.746
hour. I do not appreciate it. I will abide by all the rules.

736
00:44:26.346 --> 00:44:29.797
I will, and that's why we are here. And we understand that.

737
00:44:30.156 --> 00:44:35.106
But the state law is 10 miles an hour, and I'm asking everybody, for the safety of

738
00:44:35.166 --> 00:44:40.116
my neighbor Jerry next door, our pets that we walk, and I'm visually impaired.

739
00:44:40.596 --> 00:44:45.096
I need someone to go 10 miles an hour past my house. That's all I ask. Thank you.

740
00:44:45.276 --> 00:44:45.636
All right.

741
00:44:50.766 --> 00:44:55.297
Andre Mochan, 1936 Peachtree Avenue, Villa Valdosta. So, Sharon?

742
00:44:55.716 --> 00:44:56.106
Yes.

743
00:44:56.166 --> 00:45:00.067
Just mentioned to you that she mentioned the burgundy Jeep Liberty two years ago.

744
00:45:00.666 --> 00:45:03.786
So it's on the record, so you shouldn't have to deal with it a month from now.

745
00:45:03.817 --> 00:45:04.686
You should deal with it today.

746
00:45:06.666 --> 00:45:11.076
I think the board just directed us to have a notice posted by the end of today and

747
00:45:11.106 --> 00:45:12.516
have it towed if it's not removed.

748
00:45:12.606 --> 00:45:12.936
Great.

749
00:45:13.446 --> 00:45:13.567
Yeah.

750
00:45:14.226 --> 00:45:14.586
Thanks.

751
00:45:14.616 --> 00:45:14.976
Correct.

752
00:45:21.456 --> 00:45:21.876
Man.

753
00:45:24.786 --> 00:45:29.706
Daniel Covas, 3033 Macon Court, Bethesda.

754
00:45:30.996 --> 00:45:33.246
USMC, 100% disabled.

755
00:45:34.506 --> 00:45:37.596
I'm noticing in my neighborhood and in some other areas

756
00:45:38.358 --> 00:45:40.788
That they've thrown up petitions and

757
00:45:42.108 --> 00:45:44.928
get signed documents. Oh, so many people agree to this.

758
00:45:45.558 --> 00:45:48.228
Nothing in reference to how many people disagree with it.

759
00:45:49.188 --> 00:45:53.208
Last time I checked, even though the villages have rules and regulations, I live in

760
00:45:53.268 --> 00:45:56.088
a democracy. I live in the United States of America.

761
00:45:58.998 --> 00:46:01.338
People have the right to voice their opinions.

762
00:46:01.518 --> 00:46:05.898
They do not have the right to come up to you on your property and harass you

763
00:46:05.958 --> 00:46:06.858
without an issue.

764
00:46:08.718 --> 00:46:13.488
They need to take the proper steps, mind their own business, stay in their lane.

765
00:46:14.868 --> 00:46:20.418
Now, addressing the parking, I've noticed that also, I'm also guilty of it at some

766
00:46:20.478 --> 00:46:21.199
point in time.

767
00:46:24.318 --> 00:46:26.868
Things were mentioned to the fact that these are guests only.

768
00:46:27.558 --> 00:46:32.328
Well, what if the person has five guests? They're taking up five parking places.

769
00:46:33.168 --> 00:46:36.408
That's not fair to the other people that live there also.

770
00:46:37.938 --> 00:46:42.529
I've also heard a lot of inferences to the fact that, "I'm a resident for nine

771
00:46:42.588 --> 00:46:48.138
years," "I'm a resident for 20 years." I'm a resident, and I have the same say as

772
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:48.708
they do.

773
00:46:51.588 --> 00:46:55.938
Yes, I agree, I feel sorry for the woman that some people are flying through there

774
00:46:56.208 --> 00:46:59.538
at fast speeds. I've noticed it too. I have a dog.

775
00:46:59.628 --> 00:47:02.058
I've seen people out walking their dogs.

776
00:47:02.058 --> 00:47:04.908
They have to stay way over to the side of the road to avoid these people.

777
00:47:06.108 --> 00:47:11.808
They need to do the speed limit. I've done that by accident myself, but I'm trying

778
00:47:11.838 --> 00:47:12.738
to slow down, too.

779
00:47:14.358 --> 00:47:19.458
But we need people to stay in their lanes, follow proper procedures, not

780
00:47:19.518 --> 00:47:24.498
individually come up and harass an individual because of their feelings or what

781
00:47:24.529 --> 00:47:25.578
they think they want.

782
00:47:26.928 --> 00:47:31.338
Follow the rules. I've also noticed that people are saying that there's no rules

783
00:47:31.398 --> 00:47:37.008
concerning parking. Yeah, I think you need to pull up your bylaws. I found them.

784
00:47:37.518 --> 00:47:39.888
Didn't have that much of a problem. They're there.

785
00:47:42.798 --> 00:47:45.438
That's all I've got to say. Thank you for your time.

786
00:47:45.498 --> 00:47:45.949
Thank you.

787
00:47:49.188 --> 00:47:51.828
Thank you. Okay. I believe we move on to

788
00:47:53.658 --> 00:47:54.288
the agenda.

789
00:47:56.238 --> 00:48:01.668
So next one is new business. First one has to do with approval of minutes.

790
00:48:02.598 --> 00:48:04.968
There's September 4th 2026 minutes.

791
00:48:05.328 --> 00:48:05.898
Move to approve.

792
00:48:06.558 --> 00:48:06.678
Move.

793
00:48:06.768 --> 00:48:08.328
Second. All in favor?

794
00:48:09.018 --> 00:48:09.108
Aye.

795
00:48:09.258 --> 00:48:14.238
Aye. None opposed. Next is the approval of the interlocal agreement for

796
00:48:14.328 --> 00:48:19.279
intersection improvement at Woodridge Drive and County Route 101 with Sumter

797
00:48:19.368 --> 00:48:19.728
County.

798
00:48:20.898 --> 00:48:24.978
Yes, sir. As was directed by the board, we approached Sumter County, and they did

799
00:48:25.038 --> 00:48:28.038
agree to let district staff purchase the sign.

800
00:48:28.818 --> 00:48:31.038
We have finally agreed upon a sign that is-

801
00:48:31.068 --> 00:48:31.188
Right

802
00:48:31.188 --> 00:48:34.728
... UCCD compliant. Thank you, Supervisor Biddle, for your assistance with that.

803
00:48:35.508 --> 00:48:40.248
As you can see in the attached interlocal, Sumter County, it will be on their

804
00:48:40.338 --> 00:48:42.978
agenda for BOCC approval later this month as well.

805
00:48:43.008 --> 00:48:47.538
Well, important thing is we're getting the right thing approved. That's great.

806
00:48:47.598 --> 00:48:48.529
Do you know what the-

807
00:48:48.558 --> 00:48:49.458
And we're saving money

808
00:48:49.938 --> 00:48:52.878
... what the cost of the sign was that we're going to be assessed?

809
00:48:54.468 --> 00:48:54.949
Just to get the-

810
00:48:55.308 --> 00:48:56.928
We're purchasing it directly. Mr.

811
00:48:57.168 --> 00:48:59.748
Harris, do you know off the top of your head how much that sign was?

812
00:49:00.168 --> 00:49:03.168
I know it was about half the price of what Sumter was going to...

813
00:49:16.428 --> 00:49:17.928
Mike Harris, district property management.

814
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:22.758
I believe that they were right at $1,600 a piece, times the two signs, and they

815
00:49:22.818 --> 00:49:26.208
were considerably cheaper than the other alternative.

816
00:49:26.298 --> 00:49:28.699
So approximately $3,200 for the-

817
00:49:28.699 --> 00:49:28.968
Yes, sir

818
00:49:28.998 --> 00:49:31.908
... two signs. What's the timeframe for

819
00:49:33.288 --> 00:49:33.828
installation?

820
00:49:34.068 --> 00:49:36.618
So the signs have been ordered. They were ordered the first of the week.

821
00:49:36.708 --> 00:49:40.218
The ship date showing right now is November 24th.

822
00:49:42.078 --> 00:49:42.318
Okay.

823
00:49:42.438 --> 00:49:44.718
I'm sure they manufacture these signs as they're ordered.

824
00:49:45.078 --> 00:49:49.338
I'm just concerned about Christmas, because traffic's going to pick up

825
00:49:49.428 --> 00:49:50.208
significantly-

826
00:49:50.658 --> 00:49:50.658
Oh, yes

827
00:49:50.658 --> 00:49:51.708
... to get to Costco.

828
00:49:53.058 --> 00:49:53.328
Okay?

829
00:49:53.838 --> 00:49:55.338
They should be installed before then, right?

830
00:49:56.148 --> 00:49:56.748
I would hope so.

831
00:49:57.048 --> 00:49:58.578
Okay, very good. Thank you.

832
00:49:59.148 --> 00:50:04.248
Can we leave this on the agenda so we can get an update first part of November?

833
00:50:04.428 --> 00:50:05.568
Yes, sir. We'll put it on old business.

834
00:50:05.598 --> 00:50:05.779
Okay.

835
00:50:07.908 --> 00:50:09.018
Next is-

836
00:50:09.318 --> 00:50:10.818
We do need a motion to approve.

837
00:50:10.848 --> 00:50:13.008
I'll move to approve the interlocal agreement.

838
00:50:13.518 --> 00:50:13.998
Second.

839
00:50:14.779 --> 00:50:15.288
All in favor?

840
00:50:15.978 --> 00:50:16.038
Aye.

841
00:50:16.128 --> 00:50:20.958
Aye. None opposed. Thank you. Next is first public hearing case number

842
00:50:20.988 --> 00:50:22.548
D30127.

843
00:50:24.078 --> 00:50:28.368
And Mr. Chair, that one has cleared, so it would be D302-27.

844
00:50:28.548 --> 00:50:31.279
Okay, so the next then is case number

845
00:50:31.338 --> 00:50:35.328
D302-27.

846
00:50:37.038 --> 00:50:41.088
A quick overview of the public hearing process before Mr. Armstrong gets started.

847
00:50:41.478 --> 00:50:44.478
The public hearings, the board acts as both the judge and jury, and at the

848
00:50:44.538 --> 00:50:47.418
conclusion, the board will consider evidence and findings of fact to draw

849
00:50:47.449 --> 00:50:50.988
conclusions of law. During the hearing, the board may only receive evidence from

850
00:50:51.018 --> 00:50:54.018
district staff to the property owner and parties that will be substantially and

851
00:50:54.048 --> 00:50:56.238
directly affected by the outcome of the board's decision.

852
00:50:56.928 --> 00:50:59.718
At the conclusion of the public hearing, the board will need to determine whether

853
00:50:59.838 --> 00:51:03.738
staff presented competent substantial evidence to support a finding of an alleged

854
00:51:03.768 --> 00:51:07.098
violation. If so, the board must enter an order of enforcement against the property

855
00:51:07.158 --> 00:51:10.608
owner. If there's anyone here to testify to this case, could you please stand and

856
00:51:10.638 --> 00:51:11.298
raise your right hand?

857
00:51:12.949 --> 00:51:13.579
Yeah, we got one.

858
00:51:15.378 --> 00:51:18.408
Before 1:00, the testimony is not permitted.

859
00:51:18.528 --> 00:51:18.858
Only the-

860
00:51:19.818 --> 00:51:20.028
Yes.

861
00:51:22.248 --> 00:51:23.418
We can now open the public hearing.

862
00:51:24.348 --> 00:51:25.398
Yeah, open the public hearing.

863
00:51:26.778 --> 00:51:28.908
Hello, board. Matt Armstrong, community standards.

864
00:51:29.179 --> 00:51:33.438
So before you today, we have case number D30227, Village of Queen Development

865
00:51:33.498 --> 00:51:39.168
District number three, re: Marie Stacy and Charles Johnson, individually and as

866
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:44.298
trustee of the Marie W. Stacy Revocable Trust, dated May 7th, 2013, for

867
00:51:44.418 --> 00:51:49.878
3231 Woodridge Drive, unit 35, lot five, violation of the district's rule to bring

868
00:51:49.908 --> 00:51:52.398
about deed compliance, specifically the rule that states it shall be the

869
00:51:52.429 --> 00:51:55.608
responsibility of the owners to keep their lots neat and clean and the grass cut

870
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:57.798
and irrigating the edge at all times.

871
00:51:58.158 --> 00:52:01.878
If the owner does not adhere to this regulation, then the work may be done on

872
00:52:01.908 --> 00:52:04.398
behalf of the owner, and the cost shall be charged to the owner.

873
00:52:05.118 --> 00:52:08.298
As described in your external deed restriction standards, maintenance means

874
00:52:08.388 --> 00:52:11.718
exercise of reasonable care to keep buildings, landscaping, lighting, lawns, and

875
00:52:11.748 --> 00:52:16.758
improvements in good condition. We received a complaint about the property having

876
00:52:16.818 --> 00:52:21.768
overgrown grass, weeds, shrubs. It was the whole yard.

877
00:52:22.038 --> 00:52:22.158
Yeah.

878
00:52:22.188 --> 00:52:24.978
Staff went out there. They did verify. We did confirm.

879
00:52:25.368 --> 00:52:30.888
We also received a concern that there were rodents from the property as well.

880
00:52:31.548 --> 00:52:35.538
So at this time, we're actually looking to enact this underneath your emergency

881
00:52:35.628 --> 00:52:39.348
order of enforcement so that we can get out there and get this taken care of as

882
00:52:39.378 --> 00:52:43.938
quickly as possible. While all that was going on, we received notification today,

883
00:52:44.058 --> 00:52:49.128
this morning. I believe it was his son had contacted us and said that he's going to

884
00:52:49.188 --> 00:52:50.868
have the property maintained today.

885
00:52:51.468 --> 00:52:51.798
So-

886
00:52:52.008 --> 00:52:52.188
Good

887
00:52:52.218 --> 00:52:55.188
... we still want to move forward with the public hearing so that we could have the

888
00:52:55.248 --> 00:52:58.128
order of enforcement just to make sure everything is done correctly and

889
00:52:59.179 --> 00:53:04.068
everything's been taken care of. But hopefully by the time I drive over there after

890
00:53:04.128 --> 00:53:06.798
this meeting, we can take a look and see that it has been resolved.

891
00:53:07.008 --> 00:53:10.459
I have a procedural question, because my understanding in one of our meetings

892
00:53:10.518 --> 00:53:15.558
perhaps last month, if there were a property like this, and from an emergency

893
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:21.079
standpoint, meaning that there were varmints or vermin or something, that

894
00:53:21.588 --> 00:53:25.459
you would be notified, your office would be notified, and it was going to be

895
00:53:25.518 --> 00:53:29.868
rectified prior to waiting an entire month, let's say, for the next meeting.

896
00:53:30.709 --> 00:53:33.739
And I did that. I contacted and let them know about that.

897
00:53:34.098 --> 00:53:37.398
I guess my question is, I want to know why they didn't do something about it.

898
00:53:37.459 --> 00:53:42.798
Why are we waiting till now to do something about that when I called it in, and

899
00:53:42.858 --> 00:53:43.548
nothing happened?

900
00:53:44.989 --> 00:53:49.218
Is that not the procedure that when something like this happens, and didn't we

901
00:53:49.278 --> 00:53:49.968
discuss that?

902
00:53:49.968 --> 00:53:50.028
I don't think so.

903
00:53:50.118 --> 00:53:52.188
Am I under a misunderstanding here?

904
00:53:53.688 --> 00:53:58.728
The emergency order of enforcement means that we can skip the notification process

905
00:53:58.758 --> 00:54:04.038
and bring it straight to you. We still can't enact any type of maintenance without

906
00:54:04.068 --> 00:54:08.209
being directed by the board. So rather than it taking two to three months of

907
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.148
notices to come to you, it comes to you that month.

908
00:54:11.568 --> 00:54:11.568
Right.

909
00:54:12.138 --> 00:54:15.138
Could we not, as a part of the procedure, could we not...

910
00:54:15.498 --> 00:54:19.908
If we verify it, and we say to Matt, and they go out and check it out, why can't we

911
00:54:19.968 --> 00:54:22.218
give the authority to immediately then take care of it?

912
00:54:23.148 --> 00:54:26.148
Again, we're just wasting more time to come back before us.

913
00:54:26.209 --> 00:54:29.478
But emergency to me means emergency.

914
00:54:30.588 --> 00:54:30.679
That's-

915
00:54:30.739 --> 00:54:35.028
Yeah, so from the legal side, I think as a board, you could

916
00:54:36.288 --> 00:54:42.108
give the district manager or community standards the authority to

917
00:54:42.168 --> 00:54:47.514
take action Before it comes to you and give the authority to make that

918
00:54:47.544 --> 00:54:51.714
determination that it does affect the health, safety, and welfare.

919
00:54:52.285 --> 00:54:55.044
So that can be done, but we need to amend the rule to do that.

920
00:54:55.344 --> 00:54:57.474
I thought we did that. I want to amend that rule.

921
00:54:58.104 --> 00:55:01.434
I want to give that authority either through your office or through his office.

922
00:55:01.824 --> 00:55:05.785
I think his would probably be the better of the two, because he's there and on top

923
00:55:05.815 --> 00:55:07.494
of it, and he has some people that are out checking things.

924
00:55:07.794 --> 00:55:13.375
I don't want to wait another two weeks, a month, for us to hear about it, if in

925
00:55:13.434 --> 00:55:15.594
fact there is a problem that needs to be addressed.

926
00:55:15.894 --> 00:55:19.224
I think they need to be addressed, and I would have no problem in giving Matt the

927
00:55:19.254 --> 00:55:19.764
authority-

928
00:55:20.094 --> 00:55:25.164
Well, I agree. I thought that this was something that we had done, and if it hasn't

929
00:55:25.224 --> 00:55:26.574
been, we need to do it.

930
00:55:26.754 --> 00:55:26.875
Yeah.

931
00:55:26.905 --> 00:55:32.754
My answer is, if a complaint is made and you or your staff go out

932
00:55:33.234 --> 00:55:36.144
and verify the fact that the complaint is legitimate,

933
00:55:37.794 --> 00:55:39.594
action should be taken that afternoon.

934
00:55:40.014 --> 00:55:40.194
I mean-

935
00:55:40.614 --> 00:55:42.324
Right. Or as soon as possible.

936
00:55:42.384 --> 00:55:42.535
Yeah.

937
00:55:42.804 --> 00:55:47.754
Rather than getting into the details of that now, since we are in public hearing, I

938
00:55:47.815 --> 00:55:49.254
think we proceed with the public hearing.

939
00:55:49.315 --> 00:55:52.194
Once we close it and take action, then we can bring that up.

940
00:55:52.224 --> 00:55:52.704
But again-

941
00:55:53.035 --> 00:55:53.184
All right

942
00:55:53.304 --> 00:55:55.164
... I do recall that conversation as well.

943
00:55:55.525 --> 00:55:56.334
All right. Understand.

944
00:55:57.744 --> 00:55:57.954
Okay.

945
00:55:58.044 --> 00:55:58.405
Good man.

946
00:55:58.794 --> 00:56:02.785
So we would like you to find the owner in violation of the district's compliance

947
00:56:02.815 --> 00:56:04.494
rule cited by compliance staff.

948
00:56:06.324 --> 00:56:08.544
We'll amend the order of enforcement listed here.

949
00:56:08.574 --> 00:56:11.334
Instead of saying, "Give the owner seven days to mow the grass, remove the weeds,"

950
00:56:11.424 --> 00:56:14.844
it would be, "The owner needs to immediately remove the grass and the weeds to the

951
00:56:14.875 --> 00:56:18.565
property. If the property is not brought into compliance, then district staff will

952
00:56:18.625 --> 00:56:19.884
move forward with

953
00:56:21.324 --> 00:56:22.525
ordering maintenance on the property.

954
00:56:23.065 --> 00:56:28.254
If the grass is mowed and the weeds are removed, then case number D30227 shall be

955
00:56:28.315 --> 00:56:32.664
closed. If the grass is not mowed and weeded, then staff will do so and will impose

956
00:56:32.694 --> 00:56:37.285
a fine of $250 or actual cost of maintenance, whichever is more, to be paid within

957
00:56:37.315 --> 00:56:40.704
10 days of the invoice. Authorize the district to maintain the property twice a

958
00:56:40.764 --> 00:56:44.694
month in the summer and once a month in the winter as needed, to impose a $250 fine

959
00:56:44.754 --> 00:56:46.464
each time the district maintains the property.

960
00:56:46.944 --> 00:56:49.974
If the owners prohibit the district from maintaining the property, then the owners

961
00:56:50.004 --> 00:56:54.234
shall be fined an initial $150 and additional $50 daily fine until the property is

962
00:56:54.264 --> 00:56:57.744
brought into compliance. If the property is not brought into compliance as required

963
00:56:57.804 --> 00:57:00.535
herein, staff shall record this order of enforcement claim of lien to the public

964
00:57:00.565 --> 00:57:02.244
record of Sunter County, Florida.

965
00:57:03.025 --> 00:57:06.924
It is the owner's responsibility to contact community standards to request a

966
00:57:07.074 --> 00:57:10.164
compliance officer revisit the property to confirm compliance.

967
00:57:10.554 --> 00:57:13.674
If the fine reaches $1,500, the case shall be turned over to district counsel to

968
00:57:13.734 --> 00:57:16.794
seek all available remedies, which may include initiating a lawsuit with taking an

969
00:57:16.824 --> 00:57:20.004
injunction against the owner. The owners are responsible for reimbursing the

970
00:57:20.035 --> 00:57:23.244
district for all attorney's fees, costs, and expenses associated with or related to

971
00:57:23.275 --> 00:57:24.594
this order enforcement claim of lien.

972
00:57:25.104 --> 00:57:27.804
If the property is brought into compliance and all fines are paid, chairman

973
00:57:27.864 --> 00:57:30.924
authorizes staff to execute and record a satisfaction of release claim of lien.

974
00:57:31.344 --> 00:57:33.804
Chairman to execute the order of enforcement."

975
00:57:34.315 --> 00:57:37.764
So, Mr. Armstrong, when you say immediately, we need a timeframe.

976
00:57:37.794 --> 00:57:39.144
Would that be by the end of the day?

977
00:57:39.504 --> 00:57:40.044
End of today.

978
00:57:40.494 --> 00:57:42.354
Okay. Okay. I have a question in that regard.

979
00:57:43.854 --> 00:57:46.974
How did they contact you? How had you attempted to contact them?

980
00:57:47.394 --> 00:57:50.875
What was their excuse that nothing had transpired all during this whole time?

981
00:57:51.625 --> 00:57:55.494
So like I said, I just got the emails that my staff has been in contact with the

982
00:57:55.584 --> 00:58:01.344
son. We send out letters. We send out emails, if we have email addresses.

983
00:58:01.464 --> 00:58:06.655
We do phone calls. We were able to send out a letter to

984
00:58:07.434 --> 00:58:10.914
Mainesville, Ohio, which was another address that we have.

985
00:58:11.244 --> 00:58:14.785
So I don't know if the son is over there or not over there, but he reached out to

986
00:58:14.844 --> 00:58:19.614
us and said, "Hey, I'm sorry," from the email that I had, and that he then

987
00:58:19.644 --> 00:58:22.944
contacted us again and said, "I have someone scheduled to come out today to take

988
00:58:22.944 --> 00:58:23.214
care of it."

989
00:58:23.275 --> 00:58:25.224
So he's aware of what's going on now, and-

990
00:58:25.285 --> 00:58:25.794
Yes. Staff has been in communication with him.

991
00:58:25.824 --> 00:58:29.454
And so you feel reasonably confident that we're probably going to get this thing

992
00:58:29.514 --> 00:58:31.674
resolved and on an ongoing basis?

993
00:58:31.764 --> 00:58:35.754
Yep. Based upon my staff's response, that he wanted to expedite it to be resolved,

994
00:58:35.815 --> 00:58:38.004
and he said he'd have someone out today to take care of it.

995
00:58:38.065 --> 00:58:38.484
Very good.

996
00:58:38.724 --> 00:58:38.934
Okay.

997
00:58:40.194 --> 00:58:46.164
I would add, again, to this order of enforcement, one bullet, that the board finds

998
00:58:46.224 --> 00:58:50.664
that the property meets the standards for emergency services and that it affects

999
00:58:50.724 --> 00:58:53.094
the health, safety, and welfare of the residents.

1000
00:58:57.204 --> 00:58:57.414
Yeah.

1001
00:58:57.984 --> 00:59:01.854
So when you make a motion, if you could just make a motion to accept staff's

1002
00:59:01.914 --> 00:59:03.264
recommendation as amended.

1003
00:59:04.854 --> 00:59:05.424
So moved.

1004
00:59:06.354 --> 00:59:08.844
Did we close the public hearing already on this?

1005
00:59:08.905 --> 00:59:10.405
Hold on. What are you going to say, D**k?

1006
00:59:12.204 --> 00:59:13.044
I'd like to

1007
00:59:14.754 --> 00:59:15.924
apprise the

1008
00:59:17.304 --> 00:59:19.164
whole board of the fact that

1009
00:59:20.604 --> 00:59:25.434
everybody's got the same issue, and everybody wants to address it.

1010
00:59:26.724 --> 00:59:29.004
We have to do something to address this.

1011
00:59:29.514 --> 00:59:29.964
I mean,

1012
00:59:33.474 --> 00:59:35.004
I, working with Matt,

1013
00:59:36.504 --> 00:59:40.584
worked on getting an emergency, what was it called?

1014
00:59:40.674 --> 00:59:41.275
Emergency-

1015
00:59:41.394 --> 00:59:41.484
Order of enforcement?

1016
00:59:41.574 --> 00:59:42.444
Order of enforcement.

1017
00:59:44.694 --> 00:59:44.694
Yeah.

1018
00:59:44.815 --> 00:59:46.254
And that got

1019
00:59:47.454 --> 00:59:52.464
Matt looking into it. We had at least five, if not more people-

1020
00:59:52.584 --> 00:59:55.315
Oh, sure

1021
00:59:55.344 --> 01:00:00.144
... who addressed this with Matt's team, with me,

1022
01:00:02.094 --> 01:00:07.344
and it works that way. So I agree, Terry.

1023
01:00:08.424 --> 01:00:10.434
We need to do what

1024
01:00:12.264 --> 01:00:17.934
you did, Matt, needs to be done for every supervisor in this room.

1025
01:00:18.594 --> 01:00:20.634
We had heard from Supervisor Bedell, we heard from you, Mr.

1026
01:00:20.875 --> 01:00:24.834
Bellows as well, and also the community, and when they said, "Yeah, we've seen

1027
01:00:24.894 --> 01:00:28.734
these rodents" and things like that, that's when we did the emergency today to get

1028
01:00:28.764 --> 01:00:29.244
to hear and like-

1029
01:00:30.264 --> 01:00:31.914
I think then we need to probably

1030
01:00:33.535 --> 01:00:35.514
amend it, make the motion, get this hearing taken care of.

1031
01:00:35.514 --> 01:00:37.525
Motion's been made, but it hasn't been seconded.

1032
01:00:37.584 --> 01:00:38.394
I'll second the motion.

1033
01:00:38.754 --> 01:00:39.594
And we do need to close the public hearing.

1034
01:00:39.655 --> 01:00:42.924
We have to close the public hearing first. So the public hearing is closed.

1035
01:00:44.214 --> 01:00:45.084
Now go ahead.

1036
01:00:46.584 --> 01:00:47.244
Make the motion.

1037
01:00:48.414 --> 01:00:50.514
I move to follow the staff recommendation.

1038
01:00:51.114 --> 01:00:51.565
Second.

1039
01:00:52.104 --> 01:00:53.184
That was as amended.

1040
01:00:53.454 --> 01:00:54.114
As amended.

1041
01:00:54.174 --> 01:00:55.824
As amended. All in favor?

1042
01:00:56.184 --> 01:00:56.454
Aye.

1043
01:00:56.994 --> 01:01:00.204
None opposed. Very good. So I think we're done with this.

1044
01:01:02.214 --> 01:01:04.854
But I think the thing we want to make certain is that

1045
01:01:06.204 --> 01:01:07.974
we give Matt the authority. Yeah.

1046
01:01:09.384 --> 01:01:13.194
The notice to advertise your rule will be on next month's agenda because it does

1047
01:01:13.254 --> 01:01:14.484
require a rule amendment.

1048
01:01:14.785 --> 01:01:14.844
Right.

1049
01:01:14.903 --> 01:01:17.844
So that will be on your board agenda next month.

1050
01:01:17.905 --> 01:01:19.405
Yeah. Which is good.

1051
01:01:19.764 --> 01:01:21.684
That'll satisfy what you want then, too, right?

1052
01:01:21.924 --> 01:01:22.315
Oh, yes.

1053
01:01:22.584 --> 01:01:22.794
Okay.

1054
01:01:24.535 --> 01:01:26.424
Okay. So I'll move on to old business.

1055
01:01:30.174 --> 01:01:35.724
Yes, sir. The first item on old business, I apologize, was

1056
01:01:36.114 --> 01:01:40.494
we had several questions, follow-ups on the architectural review hearing officer

1057
01:01:40.525 --> 01:01:41.544
that we have provided-

1058
01:01:41.844 --> 01:01:42.204
Yep

1059
01:01:42.204 --> 01:01:45.924
... to the entire board. Were there any questions that you had of staff or-

1060
01:01:46.224 --> 01:01:46.464
I do.

1061
01:01:48.535 --> 01:01:53.035
I reviewed the answers to the questions I posed earlier concerning the ARHO

1062
01:01:53.125 --> 01:01:57.054
position. It was stated that the architecture review hearing officer is an

1063
01:01:57.144 --> 01:02:01.344
independent contractor retained under professional services contract, which the

1064
01:02:01.375 --> 01:02:03.625
district is separately authorized to enter into.

1065
01:02:04.584 --> 01:02:08.125
Further, the applicable assignment and interlocal agreements authorize the district

1066
01:02:08.155 --> 01:02:10.224
to administer that architecture review function.

1067
01:02:10.794 --> 01:02:15.565
It was stated that the appropriate Florida statutes authorize a community

1068
01:02:15.655 --> 01:02:21.114
development district to make and exercise contracts necessary or convenient

1069
01:02:21.714 --> 01:02:26.065
through the exercise of its power and to contract for consultants to provide

1070
01:02:26.125 --> 01:02:28.644
engineering and other appropriate professional standards.

1071
01:02:28.974 --> 01:02:33.535
Thereby, the ARHO is retained as an independent professional service provider to

1072
01:02:33.714 --> 01:02:37.194
perform the architecture review function and that the district is otherwise

1073
01:02:37.285 --> 01:02:41.815
authorized to administer. It's further stated that the contractor responsibilities

1074
01:02:41.934 --> 01:02:45.474
are functionally similar to those performed by the Architecture Review Committee.

1075
01:02:46.764 --> 01:02:50.065
A statement regarding my suggestion that community standards create a staff

1076
01:02:50.094 --> 01:02:55.405
position for that person to decide ARC applications directly to save costs would

1077
01:02:55.434 --> 01:03:00.894
bring several concerns. These decisions affect residents' property and need to be

1078
01:03:00.954 --> 01:03:06.234
made by an independent decision-maker, a volunteer committee, or a contracted

1079
01:03:06.264 --> 01:03:10.134
professional, not by staff who answer to the district as their employer.

1080
01:03:11.484 --> 01:03:16.044
Putting staff in that role would expose the district to due process challenges, put

1081
01:03:16.074 --> 01:03:20.275
personal liability risk on the employees involved, and lose the professional

1082
01:03:20.304 --> 01:03:23.275
liability coverage the contractor, the ARHO, currently carries.

1083
01:03:24.894 --> 01:03:28.734
I find it somewhat suspect that the district could not hire an individual who could

1084
01:03:28.764 --> 01:03:32.125
or would not be an independent thinker and decision-maker.

1085
01:03:32.905 --> 01:03:36.294
There are many employees in positions within the district framework who make

1086
01:03:36.324 --> 01:03:39.234
decisions that potentially could bring about litigation.

1087
01:03:40.285 --> 01:03:41.244
It seems to me

1088
01:03:42.655 --> 01:03:47.424
to be a cop-out to not perform a necessary function to possibly avoid a lawsuit.

1089
01:03:48.144 --> 01:03:52.494
Liability insurance surely provides protection for employees performing tasks in a

1090
01:03:52.554 --> 01:03:55.974
legally accepted capacity consistent with their job descriptions.

1091
01:03:56.634 --> 01:03:57.444
As an alternative

1092
01:03:58.315 --> 01:04:04.164
Why could a CDD not execute a contract to exercise its power for a "consultant"

1093
01:04:05.155 --> 01:04:08.604
to provide appropriate professional standards with a consultant being an ARC

1094
01:04:08.664 --> 01:04:13.884
member? Surely, a CDD could hire a consultant member for a considerably lower

1095
01:04:13.944 --> 01:04:17.634
hourly rate. The present rate per hour, Architecture Review Committee primary

1096
01:04:17.694 --> 01:04:21.144
representative, is zero per hour with an allowance for travel.

1097
01:04:21.924 --> 01:04:27.264
If the ARHO is being paid $230 per hour to attend hearings and perform related

1098
01:04:27.324 --> 01:04:31.944
tasks, plus compensable travel time from the officer's home to the hearings, and

1099
01:04:31.974 --> 01:04:36.294
they're held at a separate location at a separate time from the CDD's regular

1100
01:04:36.354 --> 01:04:40.525
monthly meeting, then the district is paying for an additional professional expense

1101
01:04:40.944 --> 01:04:44.785
that would not exist if the board itself conducted a hearing during a board meeting

1102
01:04:44.875 --> 01:04:45.984
such as we had today.

1103
01:04:47.275 --> 01:04:50.905
Has there been sufficient history to provide additional answers to the following?

1104
01:04:50.964 --> 01:04:55.824
Is there a minimum bill time? Are preparation and document review hours billable?

1105
01:04:56.724 --> 01:05:01.974
What travel expenses are reimbursed? Is the ARHO paid if a hearing is canceled?

1106
01:05:02.544 --> 01:05:05.004
How many hours were billed during the last fiscal year?

1107
01:05:05.155 --> 01:05:07.614
How many hearings were conducted, and what was the annual cost?

1108
01:05:08.574 --> 01:05:11.514
All of the questions that I opposed during the last couple of months should be

1109
01:05:11.544 --> 01:05:16.164
considered by not only the CDD supervisors but also the district administration

1110
01:05:16.285 --> 01:05:19.974
staff with the express objective of determining what is best for all parties

1111
01:05:20.035 --> 01:05:25.674
concerned. Is there a collaborative benefit for all CDDs to utilize the services of

1112
01:05:25.704 --> 01:05:29.724
an ARHO, realizing the recruitment and retention have been inconsistent throughout

1113
01:05:29.754 --> 01:05:30.294
the Village?

1114
01:05:31.644 --> 01:05:36.203
I would like to offer a request that the supervisors of CDD 3 schedule a workshop

1115
01:05:36.684 --> 01:05:39.474
to address the concerns of the Architecture Review Committee.

1116
01:05:40.134 --> 01:05:45.084
It would provide us an opportunity to have the adequate time to thoroughly review

1117
01:05:45.264 --> 01:05:46.614
our objectives and alternatives.

1118
01:05:46.794 --> 01:05:51.054
I would further like to secure the services of Jay Storiana, who was involved in a

1119
01:05:51.054 --> 01:05:54.054
previous workshop we conducted regarding parking in our Village.

1120
01:05:54.354 --> 01:05:58.014
The workshop was a catalyst resulting in a policy that we presently have in effect.

1121
01:05:58.704 --> 01:06:02.484
It would be enlightening to discover what is being done in other CDDs to address

1122
01:06:02.514 --> 01:06:06.834
this issue, and I would like to submit the following description of the workshop to

1123
01:06:06.894 --> 01:06:09.625
be submitted for legal description regarding times and dates.

1124
01:06:10.224 --> 01:06:13.614
It would be entitled Workshop Architectural Review Process, Hearing Officer

1125
01:06:13.704 --> 01:06:15.894
Compensation, and External Deed Restrictions.

1126
01:06:15.924 --> 01:06:19.525
The Village's Community Development District 3 supervisors will discuss and

1127
01:06:19.554 --> 01:06:23.785
evaluate the district's current architectural review process, including the cost of

1128
01:06:23.815 --> 01:06:28.554
retaining a paid architectural review hearing officer at $230 per hour compared to

1129
01:06:28.614 --> 01:06:31.224
the existing volunteer Architecture Review Committee model.

1130
01:06:31.764 --> 01:06:35.664
Discussion may include the respective duties, responsibilities, qualifications,

1131
01:06:35.815 --> 01:06:40.464
costs, administrative support, consistency of decisions, and alternative approach

1132
01:06:40.854 --> 01:06:44.304
to administering architectural review and applicable external deed restrictions.

1133
01:06:44.634 --> 01:06:48.804
This is a discussion workshop. Any action requiring board approval will be taken at

1134
01:06:48.864 --> 01:06:52.224
a properly noticed meeting in accordance with the applicable law.

1135
01:06:54.984 --> 01:06:55.104
Well,

1136
01:06:56.394 --> 01:07:00.535
I would support that significantly because I think we have a few items that can be

1137
01:07:00.565 --> 01:07:05.724
done in a workshop. See, part of the problem is, of course, I can't talk to Bill.

1138
01:07:06.144 --> 01:07:08.754
I can't talk to D**k. I can't even talk to my neighbor across-

1139
01:07:08.815 --> 01:07:09.655
Outside of the meeting

1140
01:07:09.655 --> 01:07:15.594
... so I think we need a forum where if we post this and say it's going to

1141
01:07:15.625 --> 01:07:17.244
be a workshop, no

1142
01:07:18.474 --> 01:07:22.254
action will be taken. It's an opportunity for us to discuss the issues.

1143
01:07:22.584 --> 01:07:27.025
We just heard from these people about an issue that we need to talk about and how

1144
01:07:27.054 --> 01:07:29.275
to try and address this in particular.

1145
01:07:29.875 --> 01:07:32.815
I agree with him also about the idea that I'm

1146
01:07:34.824 --> 01:07:38.994
bristling at this whole thing of 200 and what is it, 240 an hour?

1147
01:07:40.074 --> 01:07:40.434
I think it's

1148
01:07:41.694 --> 01:07:42.025
230.

1149
01:07:42.025 --> 01:07:42.144
230.

1150
01:07:42.625 --> 01:07:46.914
And well, it is adjusted annually based on the CPI, so it may have just had an

1151
01:07:46.974 --> 01:07:47.844
adjustment as well.

1152
01:07:48.144 --> 01:07:51.294
In my case, I'm still bristling over this whole issue of

1153
01:07:52.554 --> 01:07:53.334
paying someone

1154
01:07:55.134 --> 01:07:59.514
while we still have individuals who are doing so voluntarily, and the most that we

1155
01:07:59.544 --> 01:08:01.644
can offer them is reimbursement for travel.

1156
01:08:02.244 --> 01:08:03.384
So as a result,

1157
01:08:05.634 --> 01:08:05.694
I

1158
01:08:07.194 --> 01:08:12.954
agree with the idea that maybe it's time for us on a consultancy basis to hire

1159
01:08:13.854 --> 01:08:17.995
something like a zoning officer who will deal with some of these issues.

1160
01:08:19.464 --> 01:08:22.315
How much are we paying? We don't participate in it.

1161
01:08:22.674 --> 01:08:23.694
How much are we paying

1162
01:08:26.004 --> 01:08:28.194
the retired judge to do the-

1163
01:08:29.514 --> 01:08:30.594
125, is it?

1164
01:08:31.074 --> 01:08:31.914
Plus CPI.

1165
01:08:32.485 --> 01:08:33.054
I'm sorry, what?

1166
01:08:33.324 --> 01:08:34.014
125 an hour.

1167
01:08:34.854 --> 01:08:35.905
125 an hour.

1168
01:08:35.934 --> 01:08:38.664
And that comes out of the individual CDDs who have-

1169
01:08:39.354 --> 01:08:39.894
And you said?

1170
01:08:40.285 --> 01:08:42.025
Just like the architectural.

1171
01:08:42.054 --> 01:08:43.104
Been doing it for them.

1172
01:08:43.285 --> 01:08:43.434
Right.

1173
01:08:43.495 --> 01:08:43.944
That's right.

1174
01:08:46.164 --> 01:08:50.364
I guess the only reason I'm confused is because this board has been adamant from

1175
01:08:50.394 --> 01:08:53.184
the beginning that you want nothing to do with the architectural review hearing

1176
01:08:53.245 --> 01:08:57.594
officer, and there are several other boards that are the exact same, and that's

1177
01:08:57.594 --> 01:09:00.804
completely fine. We are not recommending that boards

1178
01:09:02.094 --> 01:09:07.074
unilaterally all go to this. If you have architectural review committee members

1179
01:09:07.104 --> 01:09:11.094
that are willing to serve and willing to volunteer, then it's working fine.

1180
01:09:11.155 --> 01:09:15.324
There's no reason to pull out of that if you don't want to.

1181
01:09:15.804 --> 01:09:19.344
But that's an assumption that you do have a primary and/or an alternative.

1182
01:09:19.674 --> 01:09:20.214
That's right.

1183
01:09:20.394 --> 01:09:26.184
I'm seeing advertising, different districts looking for the primary, looking for

1184
01:09:26.245 --> 01:09:27.985
the alternate, looking for things like that.

1185
01:09:29.214 --> 01:09:32.724
And again, in this day and age, and of course, we live in a community where we have

1186
01:09:32.785 --> 01:09:36.775
senior citizens, but how can we constantly keep asking these people to give of

1187
01:09:36.804 --> 01:09:41.184
their time freely to come in and do something like this when you're staring in the

1188
01:09:41.214 --> 01:09:44.155
face of somebody sitting across the room or down at another recreation center

1189
01:09:44.364 --> 01:09:50.094
making $230 an hour? My thought was let's hear what some of these other CDDs are

1190
01:09:50.124 --> 01:09:54.114
doing throughout the state and talk to somebody that deals with them, and maybe

1191
01:09:54.174 --> 01:09:57.745
they can come up with some suggestions. We might go, "That's a good idea.

1192
01:09:57.894 --> 01:10:01.224
Maybe we ought to take a look at that and do this." I think a fresh set of eyes, I

1193
01:10:01.254 --> 01:10:05.514
think it's somebody coming in here and giving us a chance to sit and really talk

1194
01:10:06.084 --> 01:10:08.214
because that's one of the problems that we have.

1195
01:10:09.174 --> 01:10:14.245
We try to move this thing here so quickly. Here we are today, 12:30.

1196
01:10:14.574 --> 01:10:17.184
It's not one of those deals where we're in and out of here so quickly because

1197
01:10:17.604 --> 01:10:22.584
things needed to be discussed. And I just think that was my purpose in doing that,

1198
01:10:22.674 --> 01:10:25.793
just taking a look at somebody else, hearing what they might suggest.

1199
01:10:26.304 --> 01:10:26.453
Right.

1200
01:10:27.054 --> 01:10:28.914
I think the workshop is a great idea.

1201
01:10:29.035 --> 01:10:29.245
Yeah.

1202
01:10:29.334 --> 01:10:35.274
I just want to make sure based on the questions, it appeared to me that you were

1203
01:10:35.334 --> 01:10:39.504
trying to justify why you didn't want that, why you didn't want the hearing

1204
01:10:39.564 --> 01:10:44.004
officer, and I wanted to make sure that we had not, as staff, implied that we were

1205
01:10:44.064 --> 01:10:45.684
hoping to have you move in that direction.

1206
01:10:45.745 --> 01:10:51.204
No, I never felt that. If anything, I felt that we have a

1207
01:10:51.234 --> 01:10:56.694
responsibility and an obligation to Matt and to the citizens and people that come

1208
01:10:56.724 --> 01:11:02.664
here before us. And I don't know what goes on with a magistrate sitting down

1209
01:11:02.694 --> 01:11:05.574
there or even with an architectural review.

1210
01:11:06.354 --> 01:11:10.014
I like to be involved, and I think that I like to see somebody, and they have--

1211
01:11:11.454 --> 01:11:13.464
That's always been the way I've operated.

1212
01:11:14.064 --> 01:11:18.864
And to answer your question, nothing would prohibit you from, right now, the way

1213
01:11:18.924 --> 01:11:23.574
the architectural hearing officer works is that it is contracted through Village

1214
01:11:23.634 --> 01:11:28.614
Center. So there's a consultant agreement with Village Center, and the consultant

1215
01:11:28.674 --> 01:11:33.894
provides all of the needed insurance requirements because we do have pretty hefty

1216
01:11:34.014 --> 01:11:39.294
requirements for all of our contractors or consultants, and then it is handled just

1217
01:11:39.324 --> 01:11:41.245
through Village Center, then cost allocated.

1218
01:11:41.454 --> 01:11:45.264
Nothing would prohibit you from having a consultant that went directly with

1219
01:11:45.294 --> 01:11:50.964
District 3. So just in preparation of a potential workshop, we can also send you

1220
01:11:51.804 --> 01:11:56.514
the requirements that Village Center has for consultants, just so you can see the

1221
01:11:56.544 --> 01:12:01.434
type of insurance requirements and other risk documents that we require all of them

1222
01:12:01.495 --> 01:12:04.434
to sign in order to be a consultant for the district.

1223
01:12:04.914 --> 01:12:05.094
Yeah.

1224
01:12:06.654 --> 01:12:06.804
Well,

1225
01:12:08.245 --> 01:12:09.594
I would like to see the workshop.

1226
01:12:09.984 --> 01:12:10.134
Yeah.

1227
01:12:10.224 --> 01:12:14.785
I think we have issues that we need to discuss openly and freely that we cannot,

1228
01:12:15.564 --> 01:12:18.324
unless we do it in a meeting and keep dragging out the meeting.

1229
01:12:18.384 --> 01:12:20.844
No, the workshop makes sense. D**k, you were going to say something?

1230
01:12:24.114 --> 01:12:29.964
Yeah. It frustrates me that we had an excellent

1231
01:12:30.264 --> 01:12:32.364
representative to the ARC-

1232
01:12:32.484 --> 01:12:32.634
Yeah

1233
01:12:32.634 --> 01:12:38.334
... who ran for election. So we lost a lot of skill and

1234
01:12:38.394 --> 01:12:39.894
knowledge there.

1235
01:12:41.394 --> 01:12:45.564
He proposed, I'm assuming because I wasn't there, but

1236
01:12:47.274 --> 01:12:51.954
there was a young lady who volunteered to become the new ARC person.

1237
01:12:52.344 --> 01:12:52.824
She's here.

1238
01:12:53.094 --> 01:12:54.234
Yeah. And

1239
01:12:56.634 --> 01:12:58.614
I don't know why we're talking about this.

1240
01:12:59.694 --> 01:13:00.234
We've had-

1241
01:13:00.774 --> 01:13:05.934
I'll tell you why, because there's a discrepancy between paying somebody $230 an

1242
01:13:05.995 --> 01:13:08.334
hour to hear the same thing she's hearing for nothing.

1243
01:13:08.634 --> 01:13:08.754
Right.

1244
01:13:08.814 --> 01:13:09.414
I don't like that.

1245
01:13:09.774 --> 01:13:10.104
Well-

1246
01:13:10.824 --> 01:13:14.184
That's why I think we need to talk about it and talk to some of these other areas

1247
01:13:14.214 --> 01:13:17.454
and find out what's going on, and maybe we can look at compensation packages.

1248
01:13:17.724 --> 01:13:19.554
Maybe we can do something that-

1249
01:13:20.454 --> 01:13:24.204
... is being done somewhere else, and I just think we need to sit down and talk

1250
01:13:24.264 --> 01:13:25.824
about this thing because I don't think that's right.

1251
01:13:26.184 --> 01:13:29.694
I think we should also sit down and discuss this.

1252
01:13:30.084 --> 01:13:30.474
Yeah, exactly.

1253
01:13:30.504 --> 01:13:35.664
But I don't even know why we're doing this. We had a good, well-oiled machine.

1254
01:13:36.144 --> 01:13:38.814
We have a good, well-oiled machine.

1255
01:13:40.194 --> 01:13:41.094
Let's get going.

1256
01:13:41.364 --> 01:13:47.124
See, I'll pick up right from where you left off. We had a well-oiled machine.

1257
01:13:47.214 --> 01:13:47.274
Yeah.

1258
01:13:47.364 --> 01:13:51.984
Now, what has happened is something has been thrown into the mechanics-

1259
01:13:52.014 --> 01:13:52.014
Right

1260
01:13:52.014 --> 01:13:57.354
... that has changed the dynamic of the ARC, and I think we need to look at that.

1261
01:13:58.314 --> 01:14:04.285
Again, I have to agree with Supervisor Biddle about the fact that I find it

1262
01:14:04.404 --> 01:14:09.474
somewhat insulting that we're going to pay this individual to do the same thing

1263
01:14:09.954 --> 01:14:15.024
that the volunteers are doing. I have a lot of difficulty, but I also think we need

1264
01:14:15.084 --> 01:14:19.314
to discuss other issues. The parking issue, the sign, the streets.

1265
01:14:19.644 --> 01:14:19.794
Yeah.

1266
01:14:20.064 --> 01:14:23.664
So I think we can list several things on the agenda.

1267
01:14:24.324 --> 01:14:28.134
How long do we have to have this posted if we had a workshop meeting?

1268
01:14:30.984 --> 01:14:32.754
Are you looking to have a workshop in November?

1269
01:14:36.384 --> 01:14:38.995
I would say it has to be sometime between now and-

1270
01:14:40.254 --> 01:14:40.374
Sure

1271
01:14:40.404 --> 01:14:41.604
... before Thanksgiving, yes.

1272
01:14:42.024 --> 01:14:46.464
So if we did it in November, you have time for us to advertise for it, especially

1273
01:14:46.495 --> 01:14:46.884
because

1274
01:14:49.104 --> 01:14:50.664
you won't be taking any action on it.

1275
01:14:51.174 --> 01:14:54.294
Staff won't have too much time to prepare, so

1276
01:14:55.644 --> 01:15:00.234
if it was more fact-finding and in the workshop you were discussing different

1277
01:15:00.294 --> 01:15:03.535
alternatives and then staff would come back at a later date with it, that would be

1278
01:15:03.594 --> 01:15:06.204
fine, but if there's a lot that you want staff to prepare for-

1279
01:15:06.984 --> 01:15:12.204
No, I think the whole purpose of the workshop is to have the outside person come

1280
01:15:12.264 --> 01:15:14.724
in, and they would be doing the preparation.

1281
01:15:14.754 --> 01:15:17.844
Because to have the staff prepare for it, I'm just hearing the same thing I've

1282
01:15:17.844 --> 01:15:19.434
heard up and down here this whole time.

1283
01:15:19.974 --> 01:15:23.514
The whole thing is getting somebody else new and fresh in here to give us some of

1284
01:15:23.574 --> 01:15:23.634
that-

1285
01:15:23.664 --> 01:15:29.544
And we utilized that fellow when we talked about the parking previously, and he

1286
01:15:29.604 --> 01:15:35.004
provided several opportunities or several suggestions for us about

1287
01:15:35.514 --> 01:15:36.834
how we move forward.

1288
01:15:37.254 --> 01:15:37.944
Fresh eyes.

1289
01:15:38.364 --> 01:15:38.484
Okay.

1290
01:15:40.044 --> 01:15:41.184
I don't have fresh eyes.

1291
01:15:41.664 --> 01:15:47.604
So we will work on finding a room here at Savannah Center to

1292
01:15:47.634 --> 01:15:48.535
host the workshop.

1293
01:15:48.624 --> 01:15:48.834
Okay.

1294
01:15:49.014 --> 01:15:51.745
Mr. Biddle, are you going to reach out to the individual?

1295
01:15:51.894 --> 01:15:52.164
I will.

1296
01:15:52.404 --> 01:15:52.674
Okay.

1297
01:15:52.734 --> 01:15:53.004
Yeah.

1298
01:15:53.394 --> 01:15:57.714
I will. I think what would help is if we probably-- The last time we were really

1299
01:15:57.774 --> 01:16:00.834
ambiguous in terms of compensation, what we were going to do.

1300
01:16:00.894 --> 01:16:04.434
I think we should probably maybe establish an hourly figure.

1301
01:16:05.334 --> 01:16:10.254
I mean, he's coming down here from Gainesville, I think it is. St. Augustine.

1302
01:16:13.074 --> 01:16:18.294
Should we be the ones to-- When I call him up, I'd like to say, "We'll compensate

1303
01:16:18.354 --> 01:16:20.035
you at the rate of X amount of dollars."

1304
01:16:20.304 --> 01:16:25.285
Well, we can look back and see what we compensated him before and put that into an

1305
01:16:25.344 --> 01:16:26.035
hourly rate-

1306
01:16:26.184 --> 01:16:26.184
Yeah

1307
01:16:26.184 --> 01:16:28.794
... if you were comfortable with that hourly rate that he set last time.

1308
01:16:28.824 --> 01:16:28.824
Yeah.

1309
01:16:28.854 --> 01:16:29.245
That's fine.

1310
01:16:29.274 --> 01:16:30.804
Plus his travel time.

1311
01:16:31.044 --> 01:16:31.134
Yeah.

1312
01:16:31.254 --> 01:16:31.434
Okay?

1313
01:16:31.824 --> 01:16:31.824
Okay.

1314
01:16:31.944 --> 01:16:34.974
From wherever he's coming. I don't want somebody on an airplane coming from

1315
01:16:35.304 --> 01:16:36.233
Seattle.

1316
01:16:36.323 --> 01:16:36.323
Yeah.

1317
01:16:36.354 --> 01:16:36.954
No, thank you.

1318
01:16:37.285 --> 01:16:37.374
Right.

1319
01:16:37.434 --> 01:16:42.535
But travel time and whatever printing or documentation he's going to do.

1320
01:16:42.834 --> 01:16:44.214
We need to pick up the expenses.

1321
01:16:44.245 --> 01:16:44.245
Okay.

1322
01:16:44.274 --> 01:16:46.044
So we'll make this a combined workshop-

1323
01:16:46.224 --> 01:16:47.245
Dick's got something else

1324
01:16:47.274 --> 01:16:48.174
... to deal with parking.

1325
01:16:48.474 --> 01:16:54.144
What, D**k? Yeah, I'm concerned about the fact that we have somebody in

1326
01:16:54.234 --> 01:16:58.794
place now that is going to do the architectural review.

1327
01:16:59.364 --> 01:17:00.954
That person, she-

1328
01:17:01.254 --> 01:17:01.404
Right

1329
01:17:01.404 --> 01:17:02.664
... who happens to be here,

1330
01:17:05.874 --> 01:17:11.245
would be able to continue what she's doing now and bring in

1331
01:17:11.364 --> 01:17:17.154
somebody after we've gotten together and used our own brains,

1332
01:17:17.544 --> 01:17:19.194
versus bringing somebody in.

1333
01:17:19.495 --> 01:17:24.894
It does not preclude her from continuing to do her job, and it does not

1334
01:17:25.944 --> 01:17:30.114
change anything. But it'll give us possible answers for the direction we need to

1335
01:17:30.174 --> 01:17:30.444
move in.

1336
01:17:30.504 --> 01:17:31.914
Yeah, downstream.

1337
01:17:31.974 --> 01:17:32.634
Yeah, down the road.

1338
01:17:32.664 --> 01:17:34.524
We're not talking about the

1339
01:17:36.354 --> 01:17:40.674
current situation, we're talking what happens if things change downstream.

1340
01:17:40.944 --> 01:17:42.714
How are we going to look at the date, Carrie?

1341
01:17:42.774 --> 01:17:43.285
How are we going to-

1342
01:17:44.814 --> 01:17:48.654
Right now, and I can see Jennifer doing it now, she's asking recreation for

1343
01:17:48.924 --> 01:17:54.804
options. As soon as we get some options, as long as they work for all of

1344
01:17:54.864 --> 01:17:59.364
you, then we will reach out to Supervisor Biddle with those options, and he can see

1345
01:17:59.394 --> 01:18:01.104
if any of them work for the individual.

1346
01:18:02.304 --> 01:18:05.544
I would hope that you do that as soon as possible, because for some of us-

1347
01:18:05.664 --> 01:18:06.535
She's writing it right now

1348
01:18:06.564 --> 01:18:10.224
... our calendars fill very quickly.

1349
01:18:10.584 --> 01:18:10.824
Okay.

1350
01:18:11.184 --> 01:18:15.654
So we'll say hopefully November. If we can't find anything in November, first part

1351
01:18:15.684 --> 01:18:18.054
of December, but we'll do the best we can to get it in November.

1352
01:18:18.054 --> 01:18:18.054
Okay.

1353
01:18:18.084 --> 01:18:20.454
Do we need a motion to that effect for this workshop?

1354
01:18:20.785 --> 01:18:20.904
No.

1355
01:18:20.934 --> 01:18:21.024
No.

1356
01:18:21.654 --> 01:18:24.774
Do you want Mr. Reones to be in attendance-

1357
01:18:24.924 --> 01:18:25.404
I do not

1358
01:18:25.434 --> 01:18:26.514
... at those workshops?

1359
01:18:26.874 --> 01:18:27.294
I do not.

1360
01:18:27.564 --> 01:18:27.564
No?

1361
01:18:27.654 --> 01:18:29.694
I don't. I don't think it's necessary.

1362
01:18:29.785 --> 01:18:30.684
Nope. I agree.

1363
01:18:32.184 --> 01:18:32.364
Because-

1364
01:18:32.874 --> 01:18:35.995
Obviously we have to have Jennifer or somebody taking minutes because it's a public

1365
01:18:36.054 --> 01:18:36.354
meeting.

1366
01:18:36.535 --> 01:18:36.774
Oh, yes.

1367
01:18:36.804 --> 01:18:36.924
Right.

1368
01:18:37.014 --> 01:18:42.774
It'll be the normal staff that would be required, and then we just won't

1369
01:18:43.495 --> 01:18:44.634
have Mr. Reones attend.

1370
01:18:44.964 --> 01:18:49.374
Okay. Very good. So we'll move on to informational items.

1371
01:18:49.644 --> 01:18:50.964
Financial statements, anything there?

1372
01:18:53.544 --> 01:18:56.785
District party management monthly report, anything there?

1373
01:18:58.944 --> 01:19:01.194
DCD 3D public hearing updates?

1374
01:19:05.334 --> 01:19:07.014
Okay, district manager reports.

1375
01:19:07.224 --> 01:19:10.554
Yes, sir. The first is the Amenity Authority Committee after agenda.

1376
01:19:11.064 --> 01:19:15.834
Just a couple of key things. The first is that Village Center did move forward with

1377
01:19:15.894 --> 01:19:20.424
entering into an interlocal agreement with Sumter County on Moore Boulevard.

1378
01:19:21.144 --> 01:19:25.495
So as of now, they are moving forward with widening Moore Boulevard, the golf cart

1379
01:19:25.524 --> 01:19:28.074
travel lane by approximately two feet on each side.

1380
01:19:28.134 --> 01:19:28.884
Yeah, saw that.

1381
01:19:29.245 --> 01:19:32.874
The next item that I wanted to mention is they are also moving forward with the

1382
01:19:32.904 --> 01:19:35.454
standardization of the long-range reader.

1383
01:19:35.664 --> 01:19:39.384
So that is the first step of moving forward with adding long-range readers to all

1384
01:19:39.444 --> 01:19:43.224
of the gates. At which point, residents will be able to purchase a sticker that

1385
01:19:43.254 --> 01:19:46.794
goes on the outside of the vehicle and open the gate without rolling down the

1386
01:19:46.824 --> 01:19:47.154
window.

1387
01:19:47.394 --> 01:19:47.664
Okay.

1388
01:19:48.174 --> 01:19:52.794
Other than that, all of the items are on the after agenda, and I'm happy to answer

1389
01:19:52.853 --> 01:19:53.934
questions if you have them.

1390
01:19:56.004 --> 01:19:57.535
The second item is Government Day.

1391
01:19:57.864 --> 01:20:01.404
The chair does have a sign-up sheet for Government Day that he will pass around.

1392
01:20:01.764 --> 01:20:01.764
Yeah.

1393
01:20:01.794 --> 01:20:04.374
We would love to see you there representing District Three.

1394
01:20:04.374 --> 01:20:04.374
It's moving around the room.

1395
01:20:04.434 --> 01:20:04.944
Yeah, it is.

1396
01:20:05.004 --> 01:20:05.934
Did you get this? Yes, sir.

1397
01:20:05.995 --> 01:20:11.544
And then finally, we would like authorization to advertise to amend your towing

1398
01:20:11.604 --> 01:20:16.254
rule. This may be a little preliminary, as we are going to have the sessions with

1399
01:20:16.285 --> 01:20:21.894
towing anyways. This was, as you know, you were the first district to do the towing

1400
01:20:21.984 --> 01:20:26.154
rule, and since then, we have expanded it to include Villa Road.

1401
01:20:27.024 --> 01:20:30.324
So those areas, for example, where they're parking at the end cap, Mr.

1402
01:20:30.564 --> 01:20:35.724
Reones was comfortable with us moving forward with that key event on the end cap

1403
01:20:35.785 --> 01:20:39.324
without it being in your rule. However, just to be cleaner, it should be.

1404
01:20:39.624 --> 01:20:39.834
Okay.

1405
01:20:39.894 --> 01:20:44.245
But you may want to wait, because it costs money to advertise for publication.

1406
01:20:44.454 --> 01:20:44.454
Sure.

1407
01:20:44.484 --> 01:20:48.114
And if we're going to have a workshop, I would recommend we just wait and do it all

1408
01:20:48.144 --> 01:20:48.594
at once.

1409
01:20:48.745 --> 01:20:50.484
I agree. Okay.

1410
01:20:50.934 --> 01:20:52.554
So that concludes district manager's report.

1411
01:20:52.854 --> 01:20:54.654
Wait, let me get clarification on the workshop again.

1412
01:20:55.254 --> 01:20:59.364
We will be addressing both issues then in this workshop coming up?

1413
01:20:59.424 --> 01:20:59.785
Correct.

1414
01:21:01.104 --> 01:21:02.694
Okay, fine. When I contact him, because he's-

1415
01:21:02.754 --> 01:21:02.934
Yeah

1416
01:21:02.934 --> 01:21:04.734
... obviously able to do both. Okay, thank you.

1417
01:21:04.824 --> 01:21:06.234
Right. District council reports?

1418
01:21:07.884 --> 01:21:12.504
Just one recorded reminder that the last live training in ethics and public records

1419
01:21:12.535 --> 01:21:17.004
for the year is scheduled on October 29 at 2:00 PM, and that will be held at the

1420
01:21:17.035 --> 01:21:20.604
district office. If you still need hours, you can sign up for the clerk's office.

1421
01:21:21.204 --> 01:21:21.414
Okay.

1422
01:21:21.924 --> 01:21:23.904
Mark, while you're on the line,

1423
01:21:25.134 --> 01:21:26.694
it brings up an interesting question.

1424
01:21:26.694 --> 01:21:26.694
Okay.

1425
01:21:26.904 --> 01:21:29.814
I have a question that I'd pose to you, and I posed it to Carrie before in the

1426
01:21:29.904 --> 01:21:30.444
past.

1427
01:21:32.274 --> 01:21:36.535
For whatever reason, you're not here in person, but you're here listening and

1428
01:21:36.564 --> 01:21:37.314
knowing what's going on-

1429
01:21:37.344 --> 01:21:37.614
Yeah

1430
01:21:37.614 --> 01:21:38.964
... and a part of the official record.

1431
01:21:39.594 --> 01:21:43.014
Let's say that one of us, and we thought we might not have even had enough people

1432
01:21:43.044 --> 01:21:47.394
here today for a quorum, but let's say one of us, if we were in sick bed but we

1433
01:21:47.454 --> 01:21:51.654
felt well enough and comfortable enough, we could call in and do the same thing.

1434
01:21:52.074 --> 01:21:55.524
If it's legal for you to do that, would it also be legal for us to do it?

1435
01:21:56.754 --> 01:21:59.724
So you can call in, but you can't vote unless you're there in person.

1436
01:22:01.044 --> 01:22:05.184
Okay. But we could call in and be a part of the conversation?

1437
01:22:06.084 --> 01:22:10.464
You could. You would not count towards a quorum, and you would not be able to vote,

1438
01:22:10.524 --> 01:22:14.634
but you can call in and be involved with discussions and things like that.

1439
01:22:14.664 --> 01:22:15.504
You just can't vote.

1440
01:22:15.894 --> 01:22:16.074
Okay.

1441
01:22:16.524 --> 01:22:16.764
Okay.

1442
01:22:17.664 --> 01:22:23.634
And I'm assuming Carrie or Jennifer can provide-- I need the website so I

1443
01:22:23.664 --> 01:22:27.714
can do this online, the ethics

1444
01:22:28.524 --> 01:22:29.245
We'll present it.

1445
01:22:29.785 --> 01:22:29.934
Okay.

1446
01:22:30.414 --> 01:22:31.285
We'll present it.

1447
01:22:31.344 --> 01:22:32.904
Board ethics commission has one.

1448
01:22:33.535 --> 01:22:34.194
I need that.

1449
01:22:34.314 --> 01:22:34.584
Yeah.

1450
01:22:35.154 --> 01:22:36.294
Okay, I'm going to go to a meeting.

1451
01:22:36.774 --> 01:22:37.764
We'll send it to the whole board.

1452
01:22:38.245 --> 01:22:38.514
Okay.

1453
01:22:40.194 --> 01:22:43.824
So in any case, any supervisor comments? Terry, any more?

1454
01:22:44.124 --> 01:22:44.514
No, sir.

1455
01:22:44.874 --> 01:22:45.204
D**k?

1456
01:22:46.194 --> 01:22:50.514
Yeah. I have this government day sign up sheet.

1457
01:22:50.574 --> 01:22:50.844
Yeah.

1458
01:22:52.614 --> 01:22:54.114
Well, we've only got three people

1459
01:22:55.584 --> 01:22:56.245
signed up.

1460
01:22:57.444 --> 01:22:58.674
Unfortunately for me,

1461
01:23:00.144 --> 01:23:03.504
it's either All Saints or All Souls because they're two days in a row.

1462
01:23:03.924 --> 01:23:04.074
So

1463
01:23:06.474 --> 01:23:10.554
I haven't been able to be there for the past three years because of my commitments

1464
01:23:10.584 --> 01:23:14.484
with the church. So I'm going to say I still won't.

1465
01:23:14.814 --> 01:23:17.334
If I can change it, I will, and I'll get my name on there.

1466
01:23:19.194 --> 01:23:21.414
Somebody's going to have to try and fill in.

1467
01:23:21.504 --> 01:23:26.904
However, I have learned from experience, having done this for years and years and

1468
01:23:26.964 --> 01:23:27.234
years,

1469
01:23:29.035 --> 01:23:32.394
it's more people wandering by and saying, "Oh, okay."

1470
01:23:33.654 --> 01:23:35.874
I've never had a question really asked of me.

1471
01:23:38.274 --> 01:23:40.794
Let me see that, D**k. I'll see what I can do.

1472
01:23:40.884 --> 01:23:41.094
Okay.

1473
01:23:41.964 --> 01:23:43.524
Which?

1474
01:23:43.584 --> 01:23:44.724
The sign-up government day.

1475
01:23:45.594 --> 01:23:46.374
It's in your hand.

1476
01:23:47.064 --> 01:23:47.245
No.

1477
01:23:47.724 --> 01:23:48.745
What you have in your hand.

1478
01:23:48.954 --> 01:23:49.314
This one?

1479
01:23:49.974 --> 01:23:51.294
No, no, it's in your hand.

1480
01:23:51.654 --> 01:23:52.104
Oh, this.

1481
01:23:53.334 --> 01:23:56.064
Well, I've got so many pieces of paper here.

1482
01:23:58.014 --> 01:23:58.374
Okay.

1483
01:23:59.694 --> 01:24:02.154
D**k, you have anything outside of that?

1484
01:24:02.574 --> 01:24:08.334
I have another issue. Since that is, what is it, November 7th, I

1485
01:24:08.394 --> 01:24:08.904
believe?

1486
01:24:08.995 --> 01:24:09.204
Yes.

1487
01:24:11.454 --> 01:24:16.404
We will have sworn in our new supervisor, right?

1488
01:24:16.674 --> 01:24:16.824
No.

1489
01:24:16.944 --> 01:24:17.334
Because

1490
01:24:19.224 --> 01:24:21.354
the election is November 4th.

1491
01:24:21.654 --> 01:24:22.224
Yeah, but we don't-

1492
01:24:22.614 --> 01:24:23.814
You wouldn't have had a meeting yet.

1493
01:24:24.084 --> 01:24:24.624
Pardon me?

1494
01:24:24.684 --> 01:24:27.804
You would not have had a meeting yet, so they would not be sworn in.

1495
01:24:29.035 --> 01:24:29.334
All right.

1496
01:24:30.564 --> 01:24:31.044
Anything else?

1497
01:24:31.434 --> 01:24:36.684
And they don't get sworn in, the statute reads that you have to wait a certain

1498
01:24:36.714 --> 01:24:41.184
amount of time after election, so it actually is not until December where they get

1499
01:24:41.274 --> 01:24:41.785
sworn in.

1500
01:24:41.874 --> 01:24:43.194
Okay. Anything else, D**k?

1501
01:24:43.254 --> 01:24:43.584
Nope.

1502
01:24:46.074 --> 01:24:48.204
Other than I apologize for being late.

1503
01:24:48.894 --> 01:24:49.014
No.

1504
01:24:49.044 --> 01:24:51.774
I was late because I thought we had a 1:30 meeting.

1505
01:24:53.184 --> 01:24:53.304
Sure.

1506
01:24:53.334 --> 01:24:55.134
It's my addition table.

1507
01:24:55.824 --> 01:24:56.964
A question for Mr. Harris.

1508
01:24:58.704 --> 01:25:03.684
I have seen the articles about the new gate pass situation on the

1509
01:25:04.285 --> 01:25:04.854
headlight.

1510
01:25:07.434 --> 01:25:11.514
I think this is phenomenal, and at 20 bucks, I'd give it to you right now.

1511
01:25:13.194 --> 01:25:17.184
Do we have a timeline or a timeframe for when we think this is going to happen?

1512
01:25:17.904 --> 01:25:22.254
Not yet. AACS side as well. Once we have that put together, I'll send it out to the

1513
01:25:22.314 --> 01:25:22.584
board.

1514
01:25:23.724 --> 01:25:24.774
The sooner the better.

1515
01:25:25.044 --> 01:25:25.314
Yeah.

1516
01:25:26.664 --> 01:25:31.344
Yesterday was a really good example, is I put the window down to be able to...

1517
01:25:32.184 --> 01:25:37.285
And of course, it didn't read the card right away, but I certainly got wet enough.

1518
01:25:37.344 --> 01:25:37.554
Yes.

1519
01:25:37.644 --> 01:25:38.004
Okay.

1520
01:25:38.964 --> 01:25:39.745
We'll send out a decision.

1521
01:25:39.804 --> 01:25:41.094
We'll send it out. Anything else?

1522
01:25:41.123 --> 01:25:41.363
No, I'm in.

1523
01:25:41.873 --> 01:25:43.974
Yeah, I've got nothing. So do we have a motion to adjourn?

1524
01:25:44.544 --> 01:25:44.964
So moved.

1525
01:25:45.414 --> 01:25:45.774
Second?

1526
01:25:46.704 --> 01:25:47.064
Second.

1527
01:25:47.184 --> 01:25:47.694
All in favor?

1528
01:25:48.535 --> 01:25:48.774
Aye.

1529
01:25:48.864 --> 01:25:49.884
Meeting is adjourned. Thank you.