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Call to order the April 17th meeting

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of Community Development District 10 supervisors.

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Welcome everyone.

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All supervisors, with the exception of Mr. Bova are present.

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So we do have a quorum.

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Our first item on the agenda will be the Pledge

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of Allegiance, followed by an observation of a moment

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of silence For our in our military.

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Please stand

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I Pledge Allegiance, United of America,

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the Republic, which stands, one Nation, nation under God

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in Liberty, justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Please be seated.

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Welcome, everyone.

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Appreciate your participation.

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Before we begin, please make sure all cell phones,

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recording devices, anything that can make any noise.

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They will affect the recording of this meeting.

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Make sure they're either on mute or turned completely off.

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Thank you. First item will be anyone

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that has any comments that they would like to make,

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bring to the board.

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Uh, if you would, if it's something

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that is not already on the agenda, if you will come

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to the podium, state your name and your address,

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and you will have three minutes.

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Thank you, Jack. Uh, my name is Kurt McGee.

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1 2 4 7 Zydeco Court, the villages CDD 10.

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Um, thank you for allowing me to speak to you today.

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Um, I'm gonna read this not too long.

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On November 14th, 2024, I made a request to this board

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for a single village of Dunedin Sign.

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Brittany Wilson handled the request for the board,

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and in the January meeting, you, you had the board meeting.

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Ms. Wilson reported that the village of Dunedin is located

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between two entrances that do have entry signage,

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and they recommended not placing any additional signage.

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I'd like to point out that those two entrances are

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for the village of Charlotte

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and the village of Hillsborough.

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And I have two, I have two pictures in

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what I'm gonna give you when I'm done.

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Uh, north of Highway 44,

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CDD 10 is the largest district in the villages,

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and the village of Dunedin is the largest village in CDD 10.

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And Dunedin has no sign since we've been here 10 years,

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people have asked, where's, where's Dunedin?

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And I'm requesting, I'm making two requests.

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I'm requesting a single village of Dunedin sign

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be placed on the north side of Hillsborough Trail, just west

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of the last home on the village

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of Charlotte, in the village of Charlotte.

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Somewhere between this last house and in Charlotte

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and the intersection with Oracle Court in the V in Dunedin,

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there's an available area

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of about two football fields of just grass.

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And I asked for an eight foot, one post, 30 inch sign,

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which would be similar to a speed limit sign.

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Not too big. The sign should cost around $200.

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That was back in November when I priced it.

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And the post for the sign's about $48.

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And if for some reason this request is rejected,

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then I would like to propose one other thing that the board,

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uh, to add the village of Dunedin's name

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to either the Morris

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or Buena Vista entrances to Hillsborough Trail.

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This was proven, just to let you know,

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this was previously done on Morris to,

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to combine the village of Mallory Square, along

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with the Village of Amelia.

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And it was done on Buena Vista showing the Village

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of Virginia Trace, along with the village of Sable Trace.

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So we're not asking for something that doesn't have,

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haven't been done before.

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And I've provided two, two pictures of the gates

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that I've talked about on Hillsborough Trail,

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and two pictures with the two villages on each.

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So if I can give you this,

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Is that those pictures leave with us, please.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Any comments from supervisors?

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Can you tell us any problems you, you've personally had

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where someone can't find your house

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because of lack of signage?

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Well, first started with UPS here.

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First it started with UPS and FedEx.

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They didn't, they didn't know where all the,

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when all the new homes were there.

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And then they come in from,

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when you come in the gate at Hillsborough, you have a guard.

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When you come in the gate at

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Charlotte, you don't have a guard.

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So you're driving without knowing where Dunedin is.

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If, if there's mention of it, even on the website for

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CDD 10, I looked at it today.

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You have a photograph of, of, um, oh,

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I can't remember the name of the place,

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but there, there, it's not a village.

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It's, it's one of the, like Whitney, they call those things.

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Villas. The villas, yeah.

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There's a picture of, of a, the group

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of villa, and there's a villa sign there.

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So Si signs are everywhere,

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but there's no village of Dunedin sign.

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Other people that have mentioned it too,

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we've been in the Dunedin Social

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Club, we've been in other things.

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We're involved in lots of different clubs.

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Some people said just generally that,

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that have just moved here.

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Where's Dunedin? And, and we're huge.

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We're, we're a big, big village. So,

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I mean, I can imagine other villagers not knowing

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where Dunedin is, but FedEx and UPS, uh, they would never

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Be given that information in your address.

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And so I can't imagine them asking about that. Well,

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Again, I'm just mentioning it, we're a large village

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with no sign and we can do something about it.

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And if $248 is is not enough

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or too much, um, maybe we can get the sign

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for our village added to one of those other two

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that exist. That's all.

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Yeah, I think I, I would, I would just reiterate, I I seem

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to recall two points from the meeting

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where this was actually discussed with.

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It was at January, perhaps,

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um, there were a couple of issues.

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First of all, the signage

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that you have proposed would not meet the standards

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for the community, number one.

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Second of all, not every neighborhood has a sign.

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Lake Deaton doesn't have a sign either.

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Um, just in that off Hillsborough Trail, they don't.

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Um, and the purpose of the signage is

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to really identify Gates, not community.

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So it's Hillsborough there.

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So you can tell people to turn at the Hillsborough gate

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or, you know, it's not necessarily that every

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ev not every neighborhood has a sign.

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The signage is mostly there

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to Mark Gates, not neighborhoods.

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Well, some neighborhoods Two, two neighborhoods,

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two villages are on one side in at least two places

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that I've seen just for,

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Sorry, that is not ne in two places is not everywhere.

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Well, Isn't there a dunum pool?

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There is marked right There, there on Hillsborough.

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So there is a, there is a Dun Eden pool

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Sign. Yeah. Every pool

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has their own unique sign

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besides the village signs, that's all. Yeah.

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But there aren't pools necessarily.

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Each is Dun Eden closer to the Charlotte Gate? Yes.

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Or the Hillsborough Gate?

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Charlotte Gate. Charlotte

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Gate. I was gonna say yes.

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By the two lakes there.

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Are you, do you know of any other instances

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where there is signage similar to what he is proposing

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for this $248?

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No, I, and I, I don't have the,

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or if you have a copy of the original proposal,

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but it, it would not be something that we would typically,

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that we would recommend installation of.

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Um, so when in the, the benefit of living in the villages

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of the, it is a master planned community.

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So it is all planned out through the engineering and design

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and all of the entry features

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and things of that nature are taken into consideration.

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This isn't the first time that I've heard this type

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of request, um, from different boards.

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Um, but ultimately the boards have deferred back to

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what was the original design intent.

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Because if you, if you do something outside of that, you're,

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you're potentially opening the box for a lot of other

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villages that may not be specifically marked

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in that same manner.

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Um, I did pull up when this was addressed in January,

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and um, there is no welcome sign for this particular unit.

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It is in accordance with the original design

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and as-built construction plans.

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And it is between two separate entrances.

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That village is in between two entrances.

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So that's really the set of circumstances for this area.

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Um, you know, with the advancement in technology, a lot

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of people do use the Villages app.

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They rely on Google Maps, um,

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by physical address rather than looking

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for a specific village entry sign

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and where there's potentially multiple points of entry too.

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Does that kind of mean you'd always have

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to put one on each end? It makes sense

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Because it's, but this may not be the only scenario

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where, where this exists.

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So the challenge becomes not every village is necessarily

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marked or it could be marked, for example,

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at a neighborhood pool

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and postal that sort of identifies the geographic area,

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Which in your case, I think you said the pool is marked.

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Yep. Is marked with signage

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Pool. Yeah,

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I think there's three villages in that.

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Um, well, sort of, uh, in, in

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that scenario there's Lake Deaton.

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Those are Lake Deaton, um, Dunedin.

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And then there's that, um, premier section, justice,

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justice off of Hillsboro.

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I forget what that one's called. Separate? No, the

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Enterprise.

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What, What is it? Enterprise

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and that's part of, yeah, it's enterprise.

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That's part of Charlotte,

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what is it called? Part of Charlotte?

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Yeah. But it has a sort of a separate little name for it.

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I don't think so. Well, Hillsborough, the other,

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the only other ones I can think of are mainly Courtyard,

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Villa Red, uh, areas, uh, Pensacola.

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I think it's one right down there towards the end.

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Um, I live at the other end. The were,

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I mean, nobody refers to it as that,

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but I mean, officially there is that other one

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that the off enterprise drive.

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Unfortunately, I putting up a sign

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that is totally different

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and I understand what you're trying to do

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and you're trying to be reasonable about it as far

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as the size and everything else,

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but it would be something that is totally

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different than anything else that has been done.

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Uh, and we do try to keep things as consistent as we can,

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not just in signage, but a lot of other items that come up.

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Um, I

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see your point about putting additional verbiage on the,

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uh, village of Charlotte sign.

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And it looks like possibly there would be room to be able

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to do it, uh,

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whether it would be cost prohibitive to do it or not.

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I have no idea what it would take to add that kind of

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lettering or whatever.

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Village of Hillsborough at the other end.

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There's not enough rain. Everything would have to be redone.

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You could put Lake Deaton on there.

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Village of Lake Deon on that one.

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Um, not according to the picture you showed me,

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I don't think they would be enough room without having

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to change all the entire sign.

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Um, I think in this particular regard,

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uh, I think the board is gonna have to go

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with management recommendation

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and just say it just wasn't part of the master plan.

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And at this time, there are no plans to add.

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Brittany, is there any possibility of researching?

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I know it would be way, way far back,

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but, um, what led to the Virginia Trace Sable Chase

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combination sign?

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Sure. I'll ha I'll have to take a look at it.

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I did see that, that in here.

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So I, I'll find out the, if there is the, the history behind

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that sign and how it was originally installed.

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Yeah, I would like to know the history of that.

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That would be, yes. Helpful.

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Is there a way to just see what it would take to add

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the verbiage on this village

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of Charlotte and down below it

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or something without having to change everything else?

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Yes. And that, that is a new request from the previous

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one, so we'll take a look at that as well.

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Okay, Wonderful.

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I mean, we'd have, we'll give it a shot. Be fair.

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We'd have to be fair, I think to Lake Deaton too then, then.

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Well, I'm sure there are a lot of other neighborhoods

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that are in the same situation.

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I know, I know. Or whatever. And that I agree with

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what Brittany is saying about

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everybody uses either the village DPS or whatever.

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I go by a address. Mm-hmm. And, uh,

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But I wouldn't wanna do it for Dunedin

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and then have Lake Deaton say, well, well you did it

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for deed not doing it for us.

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And that's the challenge with, with the adjustment. That's

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Problem. Right.

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Okay. We'll look into it. Thank you.

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It was a good idea. We'll look into it.

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Alright, anyone else?

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Any comments, name and address please, sir?

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Yes, sir. Uh, hi. I am Don Johnston,

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1843 Waiting Herring Way.

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And, uh, I am new to the villages, so, uh, pardon me if,

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uh, any of this is redundant.

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But, uh, my understanding is that I'm on the corner house

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and there's the basin right behind me.

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And my understanding is that there used to be a sign

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that says, it used to say no trespassing.

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And I think the board voted last time, may on, uh,

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no public access sign.

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And I do not rise in opposition to those decisions.

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And, uh, I, I respect them.

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Uh, having said that, I also think that something

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that would be neighborly kind and appropriate

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and lawful is to put up a sign.

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No fishing past this sign Florida statute.

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And Florida law says that you cannot fish within,

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actually the law is that you cannot have activities

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with 100 feet of private or public property.

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And that's defined as fishing, swimming, boating,

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uh, jet skis, et cetera.

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And so that is, you know, according to the Florida,

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you know, statute, that is Florida law.

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Uh, I will tell you that I have been there for a short time,

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and there's been about four

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or five instances when somebody's been fishing in that area

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where they're not supposed to be.

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Uh, first of all, I just simply went down.

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I said, uh, excuse me, d are you aware?

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And I found, uh, things were very consistent.

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That happened every single time.

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Number one, the people were very, very, very nice.

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Every one of 'em. Number two, they were very, very,

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very embarrassed.

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And number three, they were very apologetic.

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They were saying, I'm sorry, sir,

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I didn't realize, you know, I didn't know.

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And so to have a sign that says, no fishing pass this point,

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number one, is in, in accordance with the village's policy.

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'cause people can walk all the way around that body of water

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and be within their rights.

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However, if Florida State law says

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that you cannot do an activity back there within 100 feet.

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So really that sign would accomplish something

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that is in accordance with the village's.

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PO policy is also in accordance with the Florida State law.

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Uh, I'll tell you that I, I kind of wondered

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what those people did when they went back.

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'cause at least half of them were not villagers.

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They were either sons visiting their

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parents or grandchildren.

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And I can imagine when they went back

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and they said, how was your fishing?

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Well, you know, a guy there

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said that we couldn't fish there.

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What do you mean we can't fish there?

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You, you, you could fish there.

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So, you know, within that I could see a misunderstanding

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and, and a thing that would not be a neighborly interaction.

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So I think that if you had, uh, I'd respectfully, uh,

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request that you would consider a sign that would,

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on the edges that would say no fishing, uh, past this point,

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Florida statute, and the number has been

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cited in previous minutes.

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Thank you. Thank you, sir.

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Uh, this is not anything new to us.

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Um, we've spent probably six months on this topic

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and just resolved it, I thought last month.

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Uh, I'm not aware of any Florida statutes

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that pertain to these retention basins,

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uh, counselor.

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Well, the issue is not so much a statute, it's

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that you have no enforcement power.

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You have no police power.

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So there's nothing you can do about it.

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It's something for the resident to reach out

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to the police department

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and let them know that they have people constantly coming

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into the property or fishing in

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areas where they shouldn't be.

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And again, this, you're right, we, we've discussed this

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for six months, maybe longer.

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We have talked about having no access,

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no public access, no fishing.

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Um, unfortunately most of them get ignored.

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And as Mr.

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Brianis says, we have no enforcement power

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to do anything about it.

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If someone is crossing your property, trying to go

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to the retention basin, then they're trespassing, then

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that is something that you need to pick up the phone

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and call Sumter County

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and have them trespass from your property.

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They will come and talk to 'em and explain to 'em.

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Uh, most of the ponds have either a, an easement

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that gives access mainly for, uh,

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maintenance equipment purposes, uh, to get to it.

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And if they walk down that easement,

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then they are not trespass.

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They are not supposed to trespass on your property.

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They're not supposed to cross over any

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district property, golf courses, whatever, to get

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to any pond to do any fishing.

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Naturally, the ponds and the golf courses

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and so forth are private and they are off limits.

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Period. Parks

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and Recreation provides a map that shows

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recommended fishing areas.

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They are strictly recommendations.

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That does not mean everything else is off limits.

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Um, we know that the way that some,

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I don't think it's all,

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but some of the basins when they were deeded said

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that they were only for use for village residents.

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And we have discussed how to go about

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asking someone for an ID or whatever else.

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The problem gets to be back to how do we enforce it

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if someone is there

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and does not live there, whether they're a guest

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or whether they're part of a work crew that was there

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that day and decided that looks like a good fishing hole.

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I'm coming back after work.

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Um, unless it gets to be a nuisance,

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and then that gets reported to the sheriff's office.

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I don't know. There's nothing that we have the power to do.

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As President Clinton used to say, I, I feel your pain

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because I know, because I know

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that you've dealt with this in the past.

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And I know that there was a, you know, I read the minutes

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and I talked to a neighbor,

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and so that's why I'm here now, as opposed to then,

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because I wasn't here during all those meetings.

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And, uh, I respect all that you just said.

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I would say we agonized over. Yes, we did.

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So I guess the thing that I wanna differentiate

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before between is enforcement and being nice

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and just being neighborly.

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And I'm not really asking for enforcement.

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I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna change,

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it's not gonna change my life

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either way, to be quite honest.

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I'm gonna still be nice to those people down there.

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And I'm not looking for something like, gosh,

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I gotta have this, or I'm gonna go home

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and take my ball and go home.

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Uh, what I'm asking for is a consideration

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to say, you know what?

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It's really a point of potential conflict

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that can be avoided by just simply having a no fishing be

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beyond this sign, because that is in accordance

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with Florida statute.

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In Florida law. I'm not asking about enforcement

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because I respect what you're saying is

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that they're trespassing to call the police.

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I'll also tell you that there was, uh, on the other side

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of the pond, the other basin,

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there was a well-known YouTuber

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who was basically fishing there.

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The police had been called, the police were there,

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and that he wouldn't move.

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He just kept on doing it.

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And he said, well, the only recourse

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that I have is to arrest him.

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And interestingly enough,

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having known a little bit about the policy at that time,

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I asked the police officer about it,

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and I'll tell you that he got it absolutely wrong

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in every, every way.

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In a way he was explaining it.

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And so even the police officers

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don't really understand that.

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So I guess what I'm asking for is just a simple sign

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that says, no fishing beyond this point.

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Doesn't say no trespassing.

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They can still walk past there, uh, in accordance of,

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you know, village policy and village law

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and, uh, whatever rules and regulations there are.

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But I guess what I'm asking for is just a sign that says,

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Hey, you know, this is a simple thing that could potentially

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prevent conflict.

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I, I would like to just bring up

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that there is also a history here

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where there was a situation in which this district was taken

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to court over a sign.

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And because there was a sign that we could not enforce,

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we were required to take that sign down.

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We cannot put up signs that we cannot enforce.

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And respectfully, my understanding of that was a no, uh,

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trespassing sign that was taken down, that sign

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that said no trespassing, which is not,

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it is not technically, it's actually, it's,

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it went against it.

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The same situation. I can't put up a no fishing sign.

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If I can't enforce no fishing.

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I cannot put up any sign I cannot enforce,

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and I cannot enforce

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It. Okay. I, I understand,

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uh, with a proper venue for me

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to then go to the county and have them put up a sign

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because it is, or they go to, to the state

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or their state representative,

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because it is within that law for that to occur.

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How does that interact then with the villages?

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And again, I'm, I'm new, I'm not trying to rock the boat.

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I'm not trying to, I'm, I'm asking

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for informational purposes.

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I believe that most of the basins around here are owned

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by the various districts.

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The way that they are deeded, right.

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The county, they are not

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Public property in the sense that the county

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or whatever controls them.

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The village, various districts,

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control 'em, maintain 'em.

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Uh, I don't believe that the state

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of the county can do anything.

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I mean, you, you can talk to 'em,

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but I I, no, I'm, I'm just asking.

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I'm not trying to, I'm not trying

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to do anything except to understand.

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So you're saying that Florida state law would not

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apply in this situation then?

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Well, and I'll go back to

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what Ms. Bell said is whether we decide

514
00:24:17.525 --> 00:24:22.205
to put up a no trespassing, a no access, no public access,

515
00:24:22.645 --> 00:24:27.125
whatever it is, the first time someone walks past there

516
00:24:27.225 --> 00:24:28.765
and we don't do anything about it

517
00:24:28.765 --> 00:24:32.165
because we can't, we have no enforcement power whatsoever

518
00:24:32.905 --> 00:24:36.095
as a governing body here, then

519
00:24:36.715 --> 00:24:39.535
you've got somebody else standing back saying, well,

520
00:24:39.675 --> 00:24:41.415
you're not enforcing your rules

521
00:24:41.475 --> 00:24:44.905
and so we are gonna sue you for it. So Mr. B

522
00:24:45.175 --> 00:24:47.865
Down, I seem to recall there was an issue too,

523
00:24:47.975 --> 00:24:50.065
with the way that those basins were deeded

524
00:24:50.065 --> 00:24:51.785
that this hundred yard

525
00:24:51.925 --> 00:24:53.985
or whatever this law was that he's referring to,

526
00:24:54.085 --> 00:24:56.705
was not necessarily applicable to our situation.

527
00:24:57.545 --> 00:24:58.905
I, I don't remember that. I mean,

528
00:24:58.925 --> 00:25:00.945
but again, I think, you know,

529
00:25:00.945 --> 00:25:02.625
you're right on point with the conversation.

530
00:25:02.645 --> 00:25:05.065
And that is, we have been sued

531
00:25:05.365 --> 00:25:07.585
and, uh, for putting up a sign,

532
00:25:07.585 --> 00:25:08.985
and I don't even remember what it said,

533
00:25:08.985 --> 00:25:11.265
it wasn't a no trespassing, I think it was, um,

534
00:25:11.885 --> 00:25:12.885
No public access.

535
00:25:12.885 --> 00:25:15.985
No public access. Um, and people were accessing it.

536
00:25:16.125 --> 00:25:18.465
The district didn't do anything about it and got sued.

537
00:25:18.765 --> 00:25:19.785
And we were in litigation

538
00:25:19.805 --> 00:25:21.145
for a year and a half or two years.

539
00:25:21.885 --> 00:25:24.665
Um, certainly we were successful in, in the case,

540
00:25:24.845 --> 00:25:26.825
but, you know, you had to have insurance pay

541
00:25:26.825 --> 00:25:28.185
for your defense in that lawsuit.

542
00:25:28.725 --> 00:25:31.425
And it went through about four different attorneys, um,

543
00:25:31.945 --> 00:25:33.065
representing the property owners before.

544
00:25:33.445 --> 00:25:35.865
Um, we were successful in getting dismissed.

545
00:25:36.805 --> 00:25:41.265
So there is the potential for litigation, again, even

546
00:25:41.295 --> 00:25:42.945
with regard to the statute, I, I don't,

547
00:25:42.945 --> 00:25:44.065
I don't know it off the top of my head.

548
00:25:44.165 --> 00:25:46.865
I'd have to read it. But again, so what if it says

549
00:25:46.865 --> 00:25:48.465
that you can't do anything about it?

550
00:25:49.045 --> 00:25:50.305
The property owners can do something

551
00:25:50.305 --> 00:25:51.505
about it, but this district cannot.

552
00:25:53.875 --> 00:25:56.925
Yeah. The property owner is empowered if somebody is back

553
00:25:56.925 --> 00:25:58.365
there and they should not be back there

554
00:25:58.365 --> 00:26:00.485
to contact the Sumter County Sheriff's Department.

555
00:26:00.995 --> 00:26:03.165
Okay. If they're trespassing on your prop,

556
00:26:03.445 --> 00:26:04.525
trespassing on your property.

557
00:26:04.985 --> 00:26:06.565
But the problem Sumter County has,

558
00:26:06.565 --> 00:26:08.165
and we have actually a representative here

559
00:26:08.165 --> 00:26:10.485
who I may be willing to talk about this if, if he

560
00:26:11.425 --> 00:26:12.685
is, is so inclined.

561
00:26:13.465 --> 00:26:17.605
Yes. This is Sergeant Edon Dodge.

562
00:26:18.785 --> 00:26:20.405
No pressure sergeant.

563
00:26:21.165 --> 00:26:23.205
I would love the opportunity. I can tell you I was, uh,

564
00:26:23.225 --> 00:26:24.685
so pleased to hear the topic come up

565
00:26:26.375 --> 00:26:27.965
Again, Trying to sneak out.

566
00:26:27.965 --> 00:26:31.925
But I, so, um, I guess my first question, if I can,

567
00:26:32.205 --> 00:26:33.285
I can, I can inquire.

568
00:26:33.345 --> 00:26:35.565
Can you tell me what statute it is you're referring to?

569
00:26:35.565 --> 00:26:38.605
Because I'm not familiar with the statute, uh, restricting,

570
00:26:38.745 --> 00:26:41.365
uh, someone's use of private property within a

571
00:26:42.005 --> 00:26:43.365
distance of another persons.

572
00:26:43.985 --> 00:26:46.165
Do we have, uh, it was in the minutes of the meeting,

573
00:26:46.365 --> 00:26:48.685
I believe in the November minutes of the meeting.

574
00:26:49.905 --> 00:26:53.125
Uh, I don't know if I, after that, of course, we

575
00:26:53.125 --> 00:26:54.565
Would have to go back and research that.

576
00:26:54.665 --> 00:26:56.325
We don't have 'em in our fingertips right now.

577
00:26:56.595 --> 00:26:57.885
Okay. Uh,

578
00:26:58.585 --> 00:27:02.685
and I just, uh, so I do not have that, but I have read.

579
00:27:03.195 --> 00:27:06.485
Okay. And basically it just says it defines the

580
00:27:06.655 --> 00:27:08.805
activities specifically.

581
00:27:08.985 --> 00:27:13.605
It mentioned fishing, swimming, boating, jet skiing,

582
00:27:14.185 --> 00:27:16.485
are all activities back there now.

583
00:27:16.485 --> 00:27:18.245
The village property, you know, you're able to walk

584
00:27:18.705 --> 00:27:21.805
around there and people getting, find a terrible,

585
00:27:22.265 --> 00:27:24.125
not terrible slogan, alligators right there.

586
00:27:25.945 --> 00:27:27.445
Not encouraged. Anyway, as far as, you know,

587
00:27:27.445 --> 00:27:28.485
going down and fishing.

588
00:27:28.745 --> 00:27:30.165
The four six statute says,

589
00:27:31.305 --> 00:27:32.765
I'd be really interested, I'd

590
00:27:32.765 --> 00:27:33.805
be really interested to read the statute.

591
00:27:34.045 --> 00:27:35.965
'cause I'm sure there's some nuance about what sort

592
00:27:35.965 --> 00:27:37.885
of property that statute covers, public

593
00:27:37.945 --> 00:27:38.945
Or property.

594
00:27:39.185 --> 00:27:41.685
And I seem to recall though, the challenge we had with

595
00:27:41.685 --> 00:27:43.285
that particular statute mm-hmm.

596
00:27:43.465 --> 00:27:45.605
Is that if you are a resident, you own that

597
00:27:45.845 --> 00:27:46.685
Property. Absolutely.

598
00:27:47.625 --> 00:27:50.365
So you can, you can go there. Mm-hmm.

599
00:27:51.745 --> 00:27:53.605
So that would be that we would call the police and

600
00:27:53.995 --> 00:27:55.045
Well, that's what I'm saying.

601
00:27:55.075 --> 00:27:57.965
They can't, they potentially can't enforce it

602
00:27:57.965 --> 00:28:02.205
because if it's a villager who's out there fishing, they own

603
00:28:02.205 --> 00:28:05.445
that property that is part of their property,

604
00:28:05.755 --> 00:28:07.125
Many times they not do.

605
00:28:07.745 --> 00:28:09.765
And the thing is, I don't want to call the police on,

606
00:28:10.525 --> 00:28:12.165
I respect too, my staff to deal with that.

607
00:28:12.665 --> 00:28:15.605
So that's the thing. I'm, I'm trying to prevent that.

608
00:28:16.165 --> 00:28:18.205
I saying, uh,

609
00:28:20.425 --> 00:28:21.565
you know, I really don't wanna do that.

610
00:28:21.745 --> 00:28:23.405
I'm not gonna do that, to be quite honest.

611
00:28:24.155 --> 00:28:26.925
Yeah. I'm sorry, sir. I, I've interrupted your No,

612
00:28:26.925 --> 00:28:29.325
You, I'm, I'm gonna leave you my, my business card.

613
00:28:29.325 --> 00:28:31.605
If you end up looking that statute, please send it to me.

614
00:28:31.605 --> 00:28:32.685
I, I'd like to review it

615
00:28:32.685 --> 00:28:35.205
and make sure there's not something that I'm not aware of

616
00:28:35.205 --> 00:28:36.765
that we could be, uh, utilizing

617
00:28:36.825 --> 00:28:38.685
to help in that sort of situation.

618
00:28:38.905 --> 00:28:41.605
And Sergeant Dodge, before you speak, can I just, A lot

619
00:28:41.605 --> 00:28:43.965
of villagers don't understand, we are not a municipality.

620
00:28:44.625 --> 00:28:47.965
We don't have the same police powers, code enforcement power

621
00:28:47.965 --> 00:28:49.765
that uni municipality has.

622
00:28:49.935 --> 00:28:51.765
We're not mayors, we're not councilmen.

623
00:28:51.955 --> 00:28:53.765
This is a special purpose government.

624
00:28:54.225 --> 00:28:56.085
We lack police authority.

625
00:28:56.745 --> 00:28:59.725
And so we, that's why we often have the sheriff

626
00:28:59.755 --> 00:29:01.765
here to help us. Mm-hmm.

627
00:29:02.585 --> 00:29:03.965
We have, we have maintenance responsibility,

628
00:29:03.985 --> 00:29:05.685
but not police authorities. Correct.

629
00:29:06.395 --> 00:29:08.765
Yeah. We don't have police enforcement authority.

630
00:29:09.025 --> 00:29:11.565
So could you just speak to what would happen if,

631
00:29:12.105 --> 00:29:13.645
um, a resident called you?

632
00:29:14.545 --> 00:29:17.365
Uh, certainly. So, uh, with the, with my understanding

633
00:29:17.365 --> 00:29:19.645
of the current guidance provided by the district, uh,

634
00:29:19.645 --> 00:29:22.405
that body of water, I'm not aware that that body

635
00:29:22.405 --> 00:29:26.005
of water doesn't meet the requirements for, uh, the use of,

636
00:29:26.265 --> 00:29:28.405
uh, five people who elect to fish.

637
00:29:28.985 --> 00:29:31.845
Um, so if a deputy came out, they would, uh,

638
00:29:31.845 --> 00:29:34.085
address the issue, the concern with the citizen, uh,

639
00:29:34.085 --> 00:29:35.205
make sure there's not an issue

640
00:29:35.205 --> 00:29:37.685
with the person being on their private property.

641
00:29:37.905 --> 00:29:39.365
But if they're on district property

642
00:29:39.385 --> 00:29:42.165
and it doesn't appear as though they're not in violation of,

643
00:29:42.785 --> 00:29:46.245
uh, district's guidance on what is, uh, accessible

644
00:29:46.245 --> 00:29:48.685
for fishing, uh, we would likely make contact

645
00:29:49.105 --> 00:29:51.445
and then try to educate them If there is an issue

646
00:29:51.825 --> 00:29:53.925
and contact, we would, uh, make contact

647
00:29:53.925 --> 00:29:56.005
through community watch if there was a trespassing issue

648
00:29:56.005 --> 00:29:57.805
where we would be issuing a trespass warning.

649
00:29:58.145 --> 00:29:59.765
But I don't believe in this situation,

650
00:30:00.175 --> 00:30:03.605
especially if they're only on the district property,

651
00:30:03.605 --> 00:30:06.285
that we would need to, uh, elevate it to that level.

652
00:30:06.665 --> 00:30:08.285
Uh, certainly the property owner, if they'd like

653
00:30:08.285 --> 00:30:09.805
to have someone trespass from their property,

654
00:30:10.075 --> 00:30:11.205
they can make that election.

655
00:30:11.905 --> 00:30:14.085
But that trespass warning would only be, uh,

656
00:30:14.085 --> 00:30:17.085
applicable there on their privately owned property

657
00:30:17.085 --> 00:30:19.525
and not necessarily down at the water's edge.

658
00:30:19.865 --> 00:30:21.245
Uh, where I believe these fishermen

659
00:30:21.305 --> 00:30:22.405
are likely to be standing.

660
00:30:23.025 --> 00:30:25.765
And, and I think the exception in the past has been when,

661
00:30:25.905 --> 00:30:27.285
for example, I believe there was,

662
00:30:27.415 --> 00:30:29.045
there were some people out there at night

663
00:30:29.045 --> 00:30:30.765
with flashlights making a lot of noise,

664
00:30:30.805 --> 00:30:32.445
haunting gators, things like that.

665
00:30:32.995 --> 00:30:35.485
They will certainly do something about

666
00:30:35.485 --> 00:30:37.085
that if it's a nuisance.

667
00:30:37.385 --> 00:30:38.485
Public nuisance. Yeah.

668
00:30:39.195 --> 00:30:41.885
Yeah. And my guess about the state statute pertains to,

669
00:30:42.225 --> 00:30:44.645
you know, like wildlife preserves

670
00:30:44.645 --> 00:30:46.365
and things like that, where we can't even cut

671
00:30:46.365 --> 00:30:47.885
trees, you know, beyond that

672
00:30:47.885 --> 00:30:48.885
Point. I, I'd hate to

673
00:30:48.885 --> 00:30:50.045
speculate without having the ability

674
00:30:50.045 --> 00:30:51.205
to review that, that statute.

675
00:30:51.335 --> 00:30:54.965
Right. Okay. Alright.

676
00:30:55.255 --> 00:30:57.285
Don't go anywhere 'cause you're gonna be up next.

677
00:30:58.545 --> 00:31:00.285
As long as you don't have any other comments.

678
00:31:00.365 --> 00:31:02.725
I don't, I believe, are we done here?

679
00:31:02.925 --> 00:31:04.685
I just have one other question. Alright, sure.

680
00:31:04.785 --> 00:31:07.405
Uh, regarding the, uh, and it's just

681
00:31:07.405 --> 00:31:08.965
because I don't know, I'm asking the question.

682
00:31:09.665 --> 00:31:11.125
Uh, as far as, you know, it tells you

683
00:31:11.125 --> 00:31:12.125
where the fishing areas are.

684
00:31:12.585 --> 00:31:16.645
Yes. And what is the appropriate area, uh,

685
00:31:17.265 --> 00:31:19.885
to have that amended or, uh,

686
00:31:20.305 --> 00:31:22.485
or is that just, uh, that goes strictly

687
00:31:22.485 --> 00:31:24.165
through Parks and Recreation.

688
00:31:25.545 --> 00:31:28.365
Is there a district, our District of Parks and Recreation,

689
00:31:28.365 --> 00:31:30.845
or is that a, that is villages wide.

690
00:31:31.595 --> 00:31:33.965
Village villages wife recreation department. Okay.

691
00:31:34.665 --> 00:31:36.485
And so if you did that, I mean,

692
00:31:36.825 --> 00:31:38.965
or is there a universal, it applies

693
00:31:38.965 --> 00:31:40.605
to all basins that Fishing's allowed it?

694
00:31:40.605 --> 00:31:43.845
No, here again, as I said, they, they post a map

695
00:31:44.465 --> 00:31:48.885
and they show, uh, recommended fishing locations,

696
00:31:51.185 --> 00:31:54.525
but that doesn't mean anything else is off limits.

697
00:31:54.735 --> 00:31:56.245
Right. These are just the ones

698
00:31:56.245 --> 00:31:58.765
that perhaps they have stopped that con

699
00:31:59.585 --> 00:32:02.965
and it's a nice place to go fishing or whatever,

700
00:32:03.705 --> 00:32:06.165
but if this one they say is good fishing

701
00:32:06.185 --> 00:32:07.765
and the one across the street they don't mention,

702
00:32:07.765 --> 00:32:09.125
that doesn't mean that's off base.

703
00:32:09.325 --> 00:32:12.125
Right. I mean, off limits. Okay. Alright.

704
00:32:12.205 --> 00:32:15.445
I appreciate your time. I, I apologize for having to, uh,

705
00:32:15.445 --> 00:32:16.965
bring up this painful, I know it's gonna be

706
00:32:16.965 --> 00:32:18.205
painful, but thank you very much.

707
00:32:18.335 --> 00:32:21.165
Thank you. Alright, anybody else

708
00:32:21.425 --> 00:32:22.725
as far as audience comments?

709
00:32:23.475 --> 00:32:26.645
Then we will move on to the next section of our meeting,

710
00:32:26.695 --> 00:32:29.445
which will be law enforcement accordingly update.

711
00:32:31.395 --> 00:32:32.805
Fantastic. Good afternoon.

712
00:32:32.945 --> 00:32:34.005
My name's Sergeant Adam Dodge

713
00:32:34.005 --> 00:32:35.245
with the Sumter County Sheriff's Office,

714
00:32:35.465 --> 00:32:36.685
and I'm here to provide you with your

715
00:32:36.685 --> 00:32:37.925
quarterly law enforcement update.

716
00:32:38.265 --> 00:32:40.605
Uh, in past quarters when I've, uh, had the pleasure

717
00:32:40.605 --> 00:32:42.805
of coming before you, I've, I've been unable

718
00:32:42.805 --> 00:32:45.125
to provide statistics on vehicle golf cart

719
00:32:45.125 --> 00:32:46.245
crashes and citations.

720
00:32:46.765 --> 00:32:48.285
I do have numbers, which is great.

721
00:32:48.745 --> 00:32:51.525
Uh, however, I've been forewarned that these numbers, uh,

722
00:32:51.665 --> 00:32:54.765
if we're off by 10, if within six months we find out, hey,

723
00:32:54.765 --> 00:32:55.885
we had a couple more

724
00:32:55.885 --> 00:32:57.965
or a couple less, please don't be upset with me.

725
00:32:57.975 --> 00:33:00.045
These are the best numbers our records division is able

726
00:33:00.045 --> 00:33:01.445
to provide at this date.

727
00:33:02.275 --> 00:33:04.445
Over the last quarter, Sheriff's Office has responded

728
00:33:04.445 --> 00:33:09.125
to 467 motor vehicle crashes, 36 golf cart crashes,

729
00:33:09.425 --> 00:33:11.325
and have issued 653, uh,

730
00:33:11.325 --> 00:33:14.125
motor vehicle citations here, uh, within the villages.

731
00:33:14.145 --> 00:33:15.405
So, uh, we're out

732
00:33:15.405 --> 00:33:19.285
and about on the roadways within your community, um, trying

733
00:33:19.285 --> 00:33:22.325
to make sure traffic's, uh, safe, uh,

734
00:33:22.325 --> 00:33:25.005
and operating, uh, within the bounds of the, of the law.

735
00:33:25.345 --> 00:33:27.245
Uh, I do wanna bring to your attention, um,

736
00:33:27.825 --> 00:33:29.725
one thing we're talking about Motor Vehicle Safety.

737
00:33:30.225 --> 00:33:31.845
Uh, the Sheriff's Office partnering

738
00:33:31.845 --> 00:33:34.845
with Community Watch recently is, has, uh, done training

739
00:33:34.845 --> 00:33:36.485
with Community Watch and what's called Tims

740
00:33:36.485 --> 00:33:38.325
or Traffic Incident Management System.

741
00:33:39.025 --> 00:33:41.805
Uh, which is trained Community Watch drivers

742
00:33:41.945 --> 00:33:43.205
and equipped them with, uh,

743
00:33:43.625 --> 00:33:45.765
the applicable markings on their vehicles

744
00:33:46.065 --> 00:33:49.005
to help us in controlling traffic flow around, uh,

745
00:33:49.005 --> 00:33:52.565
especially, uh, motor vehicle crashes or road blockages.

746
00:33:53.465 --> 00:33:55.045
And that's just one of the partnerships

747
00:33:55.045 --> 00:33:56.085
between the Sheriff's Office

748
00:33:56.105 --> 00:33:58.445
and Community Watch that I wanna make you aware of.

749
00:33:58.445 --> 00:34:01.045
Sometimes people aren't aware of the great relationship

750
00:34:01.045 --> 00:34:02.445
that we share, uh,

751
00:34:02.445 --> 00:34:04.405
between the Sheriff's Office and Community Watch.

752
00:34:04.865 --> 00:34:06.645
Uh, we also had a, a recent golf cart

753
00:34:06.645 --> 00:34:07.925
theft at Lake Sumter Landing.

754
00:34:07.945 --> 00:34:10.085
And, and so often when we get a call about a vehicle

755
00:34:10.145 --> 00:34:11.965
or a golf cart theft at Lake Sumter Landing,

756
00:34:12.625 --> 00:34:14.885
we know we can probably help them find that vehicle

757
00:34:14.955 --> 00:34:16.045
that is parked somewhere.

758
00:34:16.075 --> 00:34:18.205
They, uh, they're just confused as where it was parked.

759
00:34:18.305 --> 00:34:20.765
And, and we, the majority of the time we locate

760
00:34:20.765 --> 00:34:22.165
that vehicle, it's not been stolen.

761
00:34:22.425 --> 00:34:24.165
We had a recent issue of a, of a golf cart

762
00:34:24.165 --> 00:34:25.565
that was legitimately stolen there from Lake

763
00:34:25.565 --> 00:34:26.645
Sumter Landing, surprisingly.

764
00:34:27.145 --> 00:34:29.965
Um, but through our partnership with Community Watch,

765
00:34:29.965 --> 00:34:31.845
we we're able to locate security camera video,

766
00:34:31.845 --> 00:34:35.005
both from the square and through a, a nearby gate,

767
00:34:35.005 --> 00:34:37.685
which showed that individual driving through that photo

768
00:34:37.705 --> 00:34:40.365
of him coming through the gate and those gate cameras.

769
00:34:40.365 --> 00:34:42.765
Sometimes people ask, Hey, if, if all they have

770
00:34:42.765 --> 00:34:45.285
to do is press a button, does it really help us all at all

771
00:34:45.285 --> 00:34:46.765
in, in safety within our community?

772
00:34:46.765 --> 00:34:50.045
And I tell you absolutely, uh, by slowing down to press

773
00:34:50.045 --> 00:34:52.445
that button or, or use your gate card, um,

774
00:34:52.745 --> 00:34:53.925
you've got a great video

775
00:34:54.065 --> 00:34:56.605
and an image of someone's face, usually a license plate.

776
00:34:56.605 --> 00:34:58.525
And we were able to identify that individual through

777
00:34:58.525 --> 00:34:59.845
that, uh, image.

778
00:34:59.865 --> 00:35:01.525
And we've since, uh, located him

779
00:35:01.525 --> 00:35:03.925
and recovered that stolen golf cart, which is great news.

780
00:35:04.385 --> 00:35:06.725
And that's just, uh, one of several examples

781
00:35:06.725 --> 00:35:07.845
of our great working

782
00:35:07.845 --> 00:35:09.445
relationship there with community Watch.

783
00:35:10.065 --> 00:35:13.245
Uh, we really wanna make you aware, uh, about scams.

784
00:35:13.495 --> 00:35:14.845
Scams is not something new.

785
00:35:15.315 --> 00:35:18.485
I'll tell you that the community we serve, uh, is full

786
00:35:18.485 --> 00:35:21.445
of people who grew up in a time where, uh, you shook hands,

787
00:35:21.445 --> 00:35:23.005
you look people in the eye, what you said you were gonna do

788
00:35:23.005 --> 00:35:24.605
is what you were gonna do and you meant it.

789
00:35:24.795 --> 00:35:27.405
Unfortunately, there's a large number of people today

790
00:35:27.405 --> 00:35:29.685
who just look to take advantage of that situation.

791
00:35:30.105 --> 00:35:32.165
Uh, and they'll call you with, uh, any number

792
00:35:32.165 --> 00:35:34.365
of things trying to convince you whether

793
00:35:34.365 --> 00:35:35.605
that's you miss jury duty

794
00:35:35.605 --> 00:35:36.685
and there's a warrant for your arrest.

795
00:35:36.785 --> 00:35:38.005
We tell people frequently

796
00:35:38.315 --> 00:35:40.125
that we're gonna tell you have a warrant for your arrest.

797
00:35:41.035 --> 00:35:42.365
When we show up to arrest you.

798
00:35:42.365 --> 00:35:43.405
We're not gonna call and give you

799
00:35:43.405 --> 00:35:44.525
a heads up or give you a warning.

800
00:35:44.555 --> 00:35:46.125
It's not a a playground game

801
00:35:46.125 --> 00:35:47.565
where we're gonna give you a ten second head

802
00:35:47.565 --> 00:35:48.645
start to take off.

803
00:35:48.665 --> 00:35:50.565
No, we're just gonna show up and, and make that arrest.

804
00:35:50.905 --> 00:35:52.645
So if someone calls you, uh,

805
00:35:52.825 --> 00:35:54.805
and tells you that you have a warrant, please know

806
00:35:54.865 --> 00:35:56.085
that's likely a scam.

807
00:35:56.105 --> 00:35:57.365
Or if someone asks you to pay

808
00:35:57.365 --> 00:36:00.805
for a bill in Home Depot gift cards, it's likely a scam.

809
00:36:00.915 --> 00:36:02.645
Okay? Uh, the best thing we can do

810
00:36:02.645 --> 00:36:04.765
to prevent scams is just to talk about them.

811
00:36:05.385 --> 00:36:07.045
Uh, the Sheriff's Office has a mobile app

812
00:36:07.045 --> 00:36:08.125
that, uh, you can input.

813
00:36:08.125 --> 00:36:09.285
If you encounter a suspicious

814
00:36:09.385 --> 00:36:11.725
or a strange situation you think may have been a

815
00:36:11.725 --> 00:36:12.965
scam, let us know.

816
00:36:13.425 --> 00:36:14.765
Uh, that information's vetted

817
00:36:14.765 --> 00:36:16.245
through our white collar crimes detective

818
00:36:16.245 --> 00:36:17.965
and pushed out to all the users, users

819
00:36:18.145 --> 00:36:20.405
of our mobile app just to make them aware.

820
00:36:20.665 --> 00:36:23.925
Uh, the more people that are aware of a potential scam, uh,

821
00:36:23.925 --> 00:36:25.725
the less people who are likely gonna fall for it

822
00:36:25.885 --> 00:36:26.885
'cause they just had no idea.

823
00:36:28.105 --> 00:36:29.805
So that's kind of what's going on.

824
00:36:29.985 --> 00:36:31.405
That's all the information I have for you

825
00:36:31.405 --> 00:36:32.645
for this quarterly update.

826
00:36:32.645 --> 00:36:33.685
If you have any questions, I'd

827
00:36:33.685 --> 00:36:34.725
be more than happy to answer them.

828
00:36:35.245 --> 00:36:38.205
Emailing Florida Sun Pass, getting a text that you

829
00:36:38.715 --> 00:36:40.285
exactly like SunPass.

830
00:36:40.355 --> 00:36:42.885
Exactly like Sun Pass. That's, that's the new one.

831
00:36:42.885 --> 00:36:44.885
And, and if you hadn't heard that, that's ongoing.

832
00:36:45.425 --> 00:36:46.965
Uh, some people like to fall for that.

833
00:36:47.185 --> 00:36:49.565
Uh, one, one thing that's, that's important with scams,

834
00:36:49.995 --> 00:36:51.605
sharing information's important.

835
00:36:51.865 --> 00:36:53.885
And sometimes people are victims of scams

836
00:36:53.885 --> 00:36:55.685
and they're embarrassed that they're a victim.

837
00:36:55.955 --> 00:36:57.645
They don't wanna tell their family whether they're taking

838
00:36:57.645 --> 00:36:59.845
advantage of or $10 or $10,000.

839
00:37:00.235 --> 00:37:01.325
They're afraid of, uh,

840
00:37:01.325 --> 00:37:02.725
telling someone 'cause they're embarrassed.

841
00:37:03.065 --> 00:37:04.805
Uh, but just sharing that information could

842
00:37:04.805 --> 00:37:05.965
keep someone else from becoming a victim.

843
00:37:07.225 --> 00:37:11.245
Any questions? No, sir. Fantastic. Thank you sir.

844
00:37:11.245 --> 00:37:12.565
Thank you very much. Have a great rest, rest of your day.

845
00:37:16.195 --> 00:37:20.245
Next item, we go into new business approval

846
00:37:20.425 --> 00:37:22.645
of minutes from our previous meeting.

847
00:37:24.825 --> 00:37:27.245
Any questions, comments, revisions?

848
00:37:27.905 --> 00:37:32.125
If not entertain a motion. Motion to approve the minutes.

849
00:37:33.065 --> 00:37:35.525
We have a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second.

850
00:37:35.945 --> 00:37:38.685
Motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. A aye.

851
00:37:39.825 --> 00:37:40.925
Motion passed.

852
00:37:43.355 --> 00:37:45.965
Next item on the agenda will be public hearings.

853
00:37:46.225 --> 00:37:48.845
And we have two, not three.

854
00:37:49.345 --> 00:37:52.685
The second one, four B has been taken off.

855
00:37:56.935 --> 00:38:01.565
First one will be page number D 10 dash 10 25 dash 25

856
00:38:02.165 --> 00:38:05.765
VCDD number 10 versus Karen s Divinsky

857
00:38:05.945 --> 00:38:09.645
and Robert d Dubinski as trustee

858
00:38:09.945 --> 00:38:12.965
of the Karen s Dubinski Living Trust dated

859
00:38:12.965 --> 00:38:14.925
January 14th, 1994.

860
00:38:15.015 --> 00:38:16.765
Seven 15 Loop

861
00:38:18.355 --> 00:38:19.355
Just a quick overview. Uh,

862
00:38:19.355 --> 00:38:22.005
before the public hearing begins in public hearings,

863
00:38:22.005 --> 00:38:24.725
the board of supervisors access both the judge and jury.

864
00:38:25.305 --> 00:38:27.165
In that capacity, the board will consider evidence,

865
00:38:27.165 --> 00:38:28.525
make findings of fact draw all

866
00:38:28.525 --> 00:38:29.965
conclusions of law during the board.

867
00:38:29.965 --> 00:38:32.005
During the hearing, the board may only receive evidence from

868
00:38:32.005 --> 00:38:33.445
the property owner, district staff,

869
00:38:33.445 --> 00:38:34.645
and those that will be substantially

870
00:38:34.645 --> 00:38:35.885
and directly affected by the

871
00:38:35.885 --> 00:38:37.005
outcome of the Board's decision.

872
00:38:37.745 --> 00:38:39.725
The board is required to limit testimony

873
00:38:39.745 --> 00:38:41.765
to relevant evidence as it relates to the matter

874
00:38:41.765 --> 00:38:44.125
before it at the conclusion of the public hearing,

875
00:38:44.145 --> 00:38:46.725
the board will determine whether staff presented substantial

876
00:38:46.925 --> 00:38:48.285
competent evidence to support a finding

877
00:38:48.285 --> 00:38:49.285
of the alleged violation.

878
00:38:49.285 --> 00:38:51.565
And if so, the board must enter an order

879
00:38:51.565 --> 00:38:53.165
of enforcement against the property owner.

880
00:38:53.625 --> 00:38:55.365
If there's anyone here who will be testifying,

881
00:38:55.365 --> 00:38:56.765
if you please stand and raise your right hand,

882
00:38:57.945 --> 00:38:59.005
Do you solemnly swear

883
00:38:59.025 --> 00:39:02.125
or affirm this testimony in evidence you're about

884
00:39:02.125 --> 00:39:03.645
to give in the hearing today will be the truth,

885
00:39:03.705 --> 00:39:05.165
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

886
00:39:05.465 --> 00:39:07.725
Yes, I do. We can open the public hearing.

887
00:39:09.125 --> 00:39:10.285
I the hearing is now open.

888
00:39:10.715 --> 00:39:13.485
Good afternoon. Board Shannon Boyd, community Standards.

889
00:39:13.695 --> 00:39:17.205
Today I have before you case number D one zero dash zero

890
00:39:17.595 --> 00:39:21.005
dash 25 Village Community Development District number 10

891
00:39:21.145 --> 00:39:23.005
versus Karen s Dubinski

892
00:39:23.005 --> 00:39:25.485
and Robert d Dubinski As trustees

893
00:39:25.485 --> 00:39:28.165
of the Karen s Dubinski Living Trust dated

894
00:39:28.165 --> 00:39:30.765
January 14th, 1994.

895
00:39:31.215 --> 00:39:34.645
7 1 5 Con Loop Unit 1 9 4.

896
00:39:35.025 --> 00:39:37.485
Lot nine violation of the district's rule

897
00:39:37.485 --> 00:39:38.845
to bring about de compliance.

898
00:39:39.025 --> 00:39:41.645
And specifically the rule that states no building

899
00:39:41.705 --> 00:39:44.205
or structure shall be constructed, erected, placed

900
00:39:44.225 --> 00:39:47.165
or altered on any home site until the construction plans

901
00:39:47.225 --> 00:39:50.165
and specifications in a plan showing the location

902
00:39:50.545 --> 00:39:52.765
of the building or structure have been approved.

903
00:39:53.785 --> 00:39:55.205
And section 2.5

904
00:39:55.205 --> 00:39:57.445
after the home has been, uh, been constructed,

905
00:39:57.505 --> 00:39:59.645
no reconstructions, additions, alterations,

906
00:39:59.665 --> 00:40:02.725
or modifications to the home or in the locations

907
00:40:02.725 --> 00:40:03.925
and utility connections

908
00:40:04.185 --> 00:40:06.805
of the home will be permitted without the written consent

909
00:40:06.805 --> 00:40:07.805
of the developer

910
00:40:08.105 --> 00:40:09.765
or an architectural review committee

911
00:40:09.835 --> 00:40:11.365
appointed by the developer.

912
00:40:11.705 --> 00:40:14.565
No owner other than the developer shall undertake any such

913
00:40:14.565 --> 00:40:17.205
work without prior written approval of the plans

914
00:40:17.265 --> 00:40:19.885
and specifications thereof by the developer

915
00:40:20.105 --> 00:40:21.765
or architectural review committee

916
00:40:21.765 --> 00:40:22.965
appointed by the developer.

917
00:40:23.515 --> 00:40:25.845
Also, as stated in the Village Community Development

918
00:40:26.165 --> 00:40:29.285
District number 10, external deed restrictions standards,

919
00:40:29.465 --> 00:40:32.005
the district is responsible for approving alterations,

920
00:40:32.005 --> 00:40:34.525
changes or modifications to home site

921
00:40:34.525 --> 00:40:36.925
and the exterior appearance and structure of the home.

922
00:40:37.265 --> 00:40:39.765
No aftermarket change should be made to any home site

923
00:40:39.765 --> 00:40:42.205
or home without first obtaining district approval.

924
00:40:42.745 --> 00:40:46.725
On January 15th, 2025, a complaint was received

925
00:40:46.875 --> 00:40:49.605
regarding landscaping without architectural approval.

926
00:40:50.105 --> 00:40:52.925
The violation was verified and staff spoke with Mr.

927
00:40:53.125 --> 00:40:56.325
Dubinsky, who indicated an A RC application would be

928
00:40:56.325 --> 00:41:00.525
submitted on February 7th, an a RC application was submitted

929
00:41:00.785 --> 00:41:02.565
and on February 10th a deed

930
00:41:02.565 --> 00:41:04.205
restriction reminder was written.

931
00:41:04.785 --> 00:41:06.845
The initial and second letters were sent out on

932
00:41:07.085 --> 00:41:08.805
February 20th and March 5th.

933
00:41:09.065 --> 00:41:11.045
And after following the procedures of compliance

934
00:41:11.065 --> 00:41:13.205
of external deed restrictions, a notice

935
00:41:13.265 --> 00:41:14.845
of public hearing was sent by regular

936
00:41:15.065 --> 00:41:16.845
and certified mail on March 27th.

937
00:41:18.255 --> 00:41:20.475
On February 19th, uh,

938
00:41:20.475 --> 00:41:24.875
the a RC application number 1 7 2 9 5 2 was approved.

939
00:41:24.945 --> 00:41:26.315
With the stipulation

940
00:41:26.315 --> 00:41:28.235
that the landscaping bed on the left side

941
00:41:28.235 --> 00:41:29.715
of the home is required

942
00:41:29.715 --> 00:41:31.635
to be three feet off of the property line.

943
00:41:31.935 --> 00:41:35.365
The homeowner indicated they had scheduled a landscaper

944
00:41:35.365 --> 00:41:37.125
to relocate the landscaping bed

945
00:41:37.385 --> 00:41:39.725
to meet this three foot setback requirement.

946
00:41:39.945 --> 00:41:42.685
During an inspection of the property on April 15th,

947
00:41:42.705 --> 00:41:44.485
it was determined that the property

948
00:41:44.485 --> 00:41:45.805
remains out of compliance.

949
00:41:46.225 --> 00:41:47.805
So staff's recommendation would be

950
00:41:47.805 --> 00:41:49.045
to find the owners in violation

951
00:41:49.045 --> 00:41:51.645
of the district's de compliance rule as cited

952
00:41:51.725 --> 00:41:54.485
by the decompliance staff owners have 30 days

953
00:41:54.485 --> 00:41:57.005
to move the landscaping bed on the left side of the home,

954
00:41:57.335 --> 00:41:59.365
three feet off the side property line,

955
00:41:59.545 --> 00:42:01.365
and bring the property into accordance

956
00:42:01.365 --> 00:42:05.605
with the approved a RC application number 1 7 2 9 5 2

957
00:42:05.905 --> 00:42:07.405
or to restore the property back

958
00:42:07.405 --> 00:42:09.765
to its originally constructed design

959
00:42:10.065 --> 00:42:11.685
to bring the property into compliance.

960
00:42:12.345 --> 00:42:14.525
If the landscaping is moved three feet off

961
00:42:14.525 --> 00:42:15.605
of the side property line

962
00:42:15.605 --> 00:42:17.085
and is brought into accordance

963
00:42:17.235 --> 00:42:21.125
with approved a RC application number 1 7 2 9 5 2

964
00:42:21.465 --> 00:42:24.005
or if the property is restored back

965
00:42:24.005 --> 00:42:25.805
to its originally constructed design

966
00:42:26.225 --> 00:42:29.005
and the property is brought into compliance within 30 days

967
00:42:29.005 --> 00:42:32.605
of the order of enforcement case number D one zero dash zero

968
00:42:32.605 --> 00:42:34.165
dash 25 shall be closed.

969
00:42:34.705 --> 00:42:36.925
If the landscaping is not moved three feet off

970
00:42:36.925 --> 00:42:38.045
of the side property line

971
00:42:38.045 --> 00:42:39.645
and is not brought into accordance

972
00:42:39.835 --> 00:42:43.245
with a RC application number 1 7 2 9 5 2

973
00:42:43.585 --> 00:42:45.645
or if the property is not restored back

974
00:42:45.645 --> 00:42:47.685
to its originally constructed design

975
00:42:48.025 --> 00:42:50.485
and the property is not brought into compliance within 30

976
00:42:50.485 --> 00:42:54.405
days of the order of enforcement, impose $150 fine

977
00:42:54.465 --> 00:42:56.445
to be paid within 10 days of the invoice

978
00:42:56.905 --> 00:42:58.765
and impose a $50 daily fine

979
00:42:58.775 --> 00:43:00.605
until the property is brought into compliance.

980
00:43:01.025 --> 00:43:02.885
If the property is not brought into compliance

981
00:43:02.985 --> 00:43:05.845
as required herein, staff shall record this Order

982
00:43:05.845 --> 00:43:07.925
of Enforcement claim of lien in the public records

983
00:43:07.985 --> 00:43:09.125
of Sumter County, Florida.

984
00:43:09.665 --> 00:43:11.525
It is a property owner's responsibility

985
00:43:11.545 --> 00:43:13.685
to contact the Community Standards Department

986
00:43:13.865 --> 00:43:16.685
to request a deed compliance officer revisit the property

987
00:43:16.705 --> 00:43:17.725
to confirm compliance.

988
00:43:18.385 --> 00:43:20.925
If the fines reach $1,500, the case shall be turned over

989
00:43:20.925 --> 00:43:24.285
to district counsel to seek all available remedies which may

990
00:43:24.285 --> 00:43:25.685
include initiating a lawsuit

991
00:43:26.065 --> 00:43:28.365
or seeking an injunction against the homeowner.

992
00:43:29.425 --> 00:43:31.045
The property owners are responsible

993
00:43:31.045 --> 00:43:33.605
for reimbursing the districts for all attorney's fees,

994
00:43:33.855 --> 00:43:35.925
costs, and expenses associated with

995
00:43:35.945 --> 00:43:38.965
or related to this Order of Enforcement claim of lien.

996
00:43:39.385 --> 00:43:41.245
If the property is brought into compliance

997
00:43:41.265 --> 00:43:44.245
and all fines are paid, the Chairman authorizes staff

998
00:43:44.245 --> 00:43:46.725
to execute and record a satisfaction

999
00:43:46.745 --> 00:43:48.805
and release of claim of Lien chairman

1000
00:43:48.865 --> 00:43:50.405
to execute the order of enforcement.

1001
00:43:50.405 --> 00:43:52.285
And I'm here to answer any questions you may have.

1002
00:43:55.065 --> 00:43:57.405
It appears to me that it's the landscape wall.

1003
00:43:57.955 --> 00:43:59.205
That is correct. No.

1004
00:44:01.345 --> 00:44:02.965
Is there an update in terms of,

1005
00:44:03.715 --> 00:44:06.165
because you said the landscaper was supposed to be there

1006
00:44:06.165 --> 00:44:07.885
by the 15th and nothing's been done.

1007
00:44:08.505 --> 00:44:10.405
We do not have an update on it, but yes.

1008
00:44:10.515 --> 00:44:12.925
They, the homeowner had told staff

1009
00:44:12.995 --> 00:44:15.485
that the landscapers Yeah.

1010
00:44:16.465 --> 00:44:18.445
Um, 'cause it looks like the house at one point was

1011
00:44:18.465 --> 00:44:22.885
for sale or was this the, they bought it from this flyer.

1012
00:44:23.065 --> 00:44:25.045
We have a flyer in here that's from a realtor.

1013
00:44:27.085 --> 00:44:29.645
I am unaware if they are the, um,

1014
00:44:29.785 --> 00:44:30.925
if they bought it that way.

1015
00:44:31.395 --> 00:44:35.045
Okay. The owners are not here, correct?

1016
00:44:35.315 --> 00:44:36.605
They are not. Yes Sir.

1017
00:44:38.185 --> 00:44:39.485
So what's your take on this mark?

1018
00:44:39.875 --> 00:44:41.085
Well, I was just, because I saw

1019
00:44:41.085 --> 00:44:42.445
that the, the home was for sale.

1020
00:44:42.545 --> 00:44:44.285
I'm just wondering did they buy it out of compliance

1021
00:44:44.345 --> 00:44:45.765
or are they trying to sell it?

1022
00:44:45.765 --> 00:44:47.725
Just ignoring it and trying to pass on the problem

1023
00:44:47.825 --> 00:44:49.125
to the next homeowner?

1024
00:44:49.365 --> 00:44:50.445
I wasn't sure what the,

1025
00:44:50.445 --> 00:44:52.165
because I don't see a date on that, uh,

1026
00:44:52.165 --> 00:44:53.645
real estate flyer that's in here.

1027
00:44:55.985 --> 00:44:58.125
So the bottom line is they've had several months

1028
00:44:58.225 --> 00:44:59.805
and still haven't done anything about it.

1029
00:44:59.805 --> 00:45:02.845
Correct. Because it was, I, again, I signed the approval,

1030
00:45:02.945 --> 00:45:05.805
but specifically we were questioning that,

1031
00:45:05.835 --> 00:45:08.485
that particular wall just from vision

1032
00:45:08.785 --> 00:45:11.685
and they agreed to fix it but have not fixed it. Correct.

1033
00:45:12.075 --> 00:45:14.245
That the ARC application actually says

1034
00:45:14.245 --> 00:45:17.085
that the work was done by the original owner in 2018.

1035
00:45:17.145 --> 00:45:18.205
So it looks like they bought it

1036
00:45:18.205 --> 00:45:19.205
That way. Okay.

1037
00:45:19.205 --> 00:45:20.605
Yeah. So that maybe that was the,

1038
00:45:20.605 --> 00:45:22.485
what they were showing was the real estate flyer

1039
00:45:22.485 --> 00:45:26.925
that they bought it from, which is was a common situation.

1040
00:45:27.245 --> 00:45:30.045
I didn't do it. It doesn't matter. Right. Okay.

1041
00:45:30.105 --> 00:45:34.605
Any other questions? There's no other questions or comments.

1042
00:45:34.925 --> 00:45:37.005
I will close that portion of the public hearing

1043
00:45:40.125 --> 00:45:41.145
And we just need a motion

1044
00:45:41.165 --> 00:45:42.785
to accept staff's recommendation.

1045
00:45:46.425 --> 00:45:47.465
I move that we, uh,

1046
00:45:47.465 --> 00:45:51.385
accept staff's recommendation on case number D 10 dash

1047
00:45:51.445 --> 00:45:52.545
10 dash 25.

1048
00:45:53.525 --> 00:45:58.065
Second. We have a motion. We have a second.

1049
00:45:58.205 --> 00:45:59.745
All in favor? Aye. Aye.

1050
00:46:22.365 --> 00:46:26.145
Are question on this one? No. Yeah.

1051
00:46:26.485 --> 00:46:28.785
Um, before we get started, so this next, um,

1052
00:46:29.765 --> 00:46:33.945
public hearing will be for a FHA request for a property

1053
00:46:33.975 --> 00:46:37.865
that, um, had some improvements done to the driveway

1054
00:46:38.885 --> 00:46:42.625
and, um, attempt to get ARC approval from it, I believe.

1055
00:46:42.765 --> 00:46:45.865
Um, and which was denied because it's not permitted.

1056
00:46:45.885 --> 00:46:47.705
So again, this is an FHA request

1057
00:46:47.725 --> 00:46:50.345
and at this point in time, if there's anyone who is here

1058
00:46:50.345 --> 00:46:51.465
to testify, if you please stand

1059
00:46:51.465 --> 00:46:54.585
and raise your right hand, uh, Ms.

1060
00:46:54.605 --> 00:46:55.665
Boyd's already been sworn.

1061
00:46:56.085 --> 00:46:57.745
Uh, so you can open a public hearing

1062
00:46:57.845 --> 00:47:01.705
for case number FHAD 10 dash 12 dash 25.

1063
00:47:02.125 --> 00:47:03.145
The hearing is now open.

1064
00:47:16.575 --> 00:47:19.105
Okay. Board, both. I have a case here

1065
00:47:19.125 --> 00:47:23.225
before you FHA dash D 10 dash 12 dash 25,

1066
00:47:23.455 --> 00:47:25.905
Frederick Montgomery Livingston II

1067
00:47:25.965 --> 00:47:27.425
and Barbara Jean Livingston.

1068
00:47:27.745 --> 00:47:29.910
Individually and as, as co-trustees

1069
00:47:29.910 --> 00:47:32.805
of the Frederick Montgomery Living Livingston II

1070
00:47:33.145 --> 00:47:35.605
and Barbara Jean Livingston Revocable trust dated

1071
00:47:35.605 --> 00:47:39.765
October 29th, 2019 three nine, uh,

1072
00:47:39.985 --> 00:47:44.605
two two East Torch Lake, uh, unit 9 6 6, lot two four.

1073
00:47:45.435 --> 00:47:48.885
This, uh, the district's adopted rule, um, section.

1074
00:47:49.065 --> 00:47:51.485
It provides no owner other than the declarant

1075
00:47:51.485 --> 00:47:54.645
or its transferees shall make any structural alteration

1076
00:47:54.645 --> 00:47:58.245
or shall undertake any exterior repainting or repair of

1077
00:47:58.265 --> 00:47:59.725
or addition to his residence,

1078
00:47:59.935 --> 00:48:01.685
which would substantially alter

1079
00:48:02.345 --> 00:48:05.205
the exterior appearance thereof without the prior written

1080
00:48:05.485 --> 00:48:07.405
approval of the plans and specifications.

1081
00:48:07.915 --> 00:48:09.845
Therefore, by the declarant

1082
00:48:09.845 --> 00:48:11.805
or the Architectural Review Committee

1083
00:48:11.805 --> 00:48:13.325
appointed by the declarant.

1084
00:48:13.825 --> 00:48:16.285
As stated in the Village Community Development District

1085
00:48:16.285 --> 00:48:18.405
number 10 external deed restriction standards,

1086
00:48:18.665 --> 00:48:21.085
the district is responsible for approving alterations,

1087
00:48:21.085 --> 00:48:23.605
changes or modifications to home site

1088
00:48:23.605 --> 00:48:26.925
and the exterior appearance and structure of the home.

1089
00:48:27.265 --> 00:48:29.725
No aftermarket change should be made to any home site

1090
00:48:29.725 --> 00:48:32.685
or home without a first obtaining district approval.

1091
00:48:33.475 --> 00:48:35.725
Also, as stated in the Village Community Development

1092
00:48:36.045 --> 00:48:38.765
District number 10, architectural review manual under

1093
00:48:39.085 --> 00:48:41.005
driveways and walkways for Courtyard Villas,

1094
00:48:41.645 --> 00:48:43.365
driveway extensions are not permitted.

1095
00:48:43.785 --> 00:48:48.245
On, on September 16th, 2024, a complaint was received.

1096
00:48:48.825 --> 00:48:53.805
Um, a complaint was received regarding a driveway extension.

1097
00:48:53.815 --> 00:48:55.325
Staff verified the violation

1098
00:48:55.385 --> 00:48:57.085
and a deed restriction reminder was written.

1099
00:48:57.625 --> 00:49:00.485
On November 12th, staff received a letter from the homeowner

1100
00:49:00.675 --> 00:49:03.925
stating they purchased the home in early 2024

1101
00:49:03.955 --> 00:49:05.405
with the driveway extension.

1102
00:49:05.705 --> 00:49:08.605
The homeowner cited concerns about removing the extension

1103
00:49:08.905 --> 00:49:10.765
due to disability related needs.

1104
00:49:11.095 --> 00:49:14.125
Staff contacted the homeowner and explained the FHA process.

1105
00:49:14.905 --> 00:49:18.365
On November 24th, a uh, certification of status

1106
00:49:18.425 --> 00:49:20.365
of an individual with a disability

1107
00:49:20.785 --> 00:49:23.965
and request for accommodation modification form was

1108
00:49:23.965 --> 00:49:26.325
completed, um, by Mr. Livingston

1109
00:49:26.385 --> 00:49:29.285
and his physician on February 18th.

1110
00:49:29.335 --> 00:49:30.965
Staff and legal counsel reviewed

1111
00:49:31.025 --> 00:49:34.245
and discussed the accommodation modification requests

1112
00:49:34.425 --> 00:49:36.805
to keep the existing driveway extensions on

1113
00:49:36.805 --> 00:49:37.965
both sides of the driveway.

1114
00:49:38.255 --> 00:49:41.085
After discussion, in reviewing the submitted documents,

1115
00:49:41.345 --> 00:49:42.485
it has been determined

1116
00:49:42.485 --> 00:49:46.045
that the requested accommodation modification is reasonable

1117
00:49:46.065 --> 00:49:48.285
and at the present time, there are no feasible

1118
00:49:48.465 --> 00:49:50.485
or reasonable alternative available.

1119
00:49:51.105 --> 00:49:52.365
On March 12th, Mr.

1120
00:49:52.385 --> 00:49:54.845
And Mrs. Livingston submitted an architectural review

1121
00:49:55.515 --> 00:49:57.805
application for the driveway extension

1122
00:49:57.995 --> 00:49:59.885
that was denied on March 28th.

1123
00:50:00.745 --> 00:50:05.565
Um, staff's recommendation staff recommends, uh, a motion

1124
00:50:05.625 --> 00:50:08.525
by the district board to approve the recommended findings

1125
00:50:08.905 --> 00:50:11.525
of staff and for an order approving the

1126
00:50:11.525 --> 00:50:12.845
accommodation modification.

1127
00:50:13.145 --> 00:50:14.925
In determining that staff

1128
00:50:14.985 --> 00:50:18.405
and the requester have thoroughly engaged in the interactive

1129
00:50:18.405 --> 00:50:21.205
process contemplated by the Fair Housing Act,

1130
00:50:21.625 --> 00:50:23.525
the requester currently has a disability

1131
00:50:23.545 --> 00:50:26.045
or handicap within the meeting of the Fair Housing Act.

1132
00:50:26.465 --> 00:50:29.605
The requested accommodation modification is directly related

1133
00:50:29.665 --> 00:50:31.045
to requester disability.

1134
00:50:31.705 --> 00:50:34.565
The requested accommodation modification is necessary

1135
00:50:35.145 --> 00:50:38.165
in order, uh, for requester to have an equal opportunity

1136
00:50:38.265 --> 00:50:39.885
to use and enjoy his dwelling.

1137
00:50:40.465 --> 00:50:43.285
The requested accommodation modification is reasonable

1138
00:50:43.285 --> 00:50:45.045
and at the present time, there are no feasible

1139
00:50:45.305 --> 00:50:47.325
or reasonable alternatives available.

1140
00:50:47.985 --> 00:50:50.845
The requester's request for an accommodation modification

1141
00:50:50.865 --> 00:50:52.245
to the above-referenced rules

1142
00:50:52.245 --> 00:50:55.085
and manuals to permit requester to keep the,

1143
00:50:55.345 --> 00:50:58.805
the existing driveway extension as described and indicated

1144
00:50:58.865 --> 00:51:03.005
and exhibits A and B attached here too is hereby granted

1145
00:51:03.185 --> 00:51:06.285
as necessary to afford the request for an equal opportunity

1146
00:51:06.545 --> 00:51:08.965
to use and enjoy his dwelling and or home site.

1147
00:51:09.585 --> 00:51:11.445
The existing driveway extension related

1148
00:51:11.465 --> 00:51:14.645
to the accommodation modification is already installed

1149
00:51:14.665 --> 00:51:17.085
and the district board has no obligation to pay

1150
00:51:17.085 --> 00:51:18.805
for such an accommodation or modification.

1151
00:51:19.465 --> 00:51:22.325
The approval does not relieve the requester from abiding by

1152
00:51:22.425 --> 00:51:25.525
and complying with all other laws, regulations, rules,

1153
00:51:26.045 --> 00:51:29.645
policies, permit requirements, property rights uses, and

1154
00:51:29.665 --> 00:51:30.685
or the declarations

1155
00:51:30.705 --> 00:51:33.685
and restrictions associated in any way with the property.

1156
00:51:34.425 --> 00:51:36.765
The existing driveway extension is subject to any

1157
00:51:36.765 --> 00:51:40.725
and all laws, regulations, rules, policies, regulations,

1158
00:51:40.885 --> 00:51:42.765
requirement uses, declarations

1159
00:51:42.785 --> 00:51:45.365
and restrictions in property rights of any person

1160
00:51:45.425 --> 00:51:49.165
or entity associated with the property request or,

1161
00:51:49.225 --> 00:51:52.005
and not the district board at all times remain solely

1162
00:51:52.075 --> 00:51:54.285
responsible and liable for any claims

1163
00:51:54.285 --> 00:51:57.245
of infringement upon any property rights of any other person

1164
00:51:57.345 --> 00:52:01.445
or entity, any injury or damage to self or other person

1165
00:52:01.585 --> 00:52:04.565
or property, which may be caused by the installation of

1166
00:52:05.025 --> 00:52:07.565
or use of the driveway extension or

1167
00:52:07.565 --> 00:52:09.205
otherwise in the implementation

1168
00:52:09.225 --> 00:52:12.045
of the accommodation modification, including

1169
00:52:12.105 --> 00:52:15.085
but not limited to acts caused by requester's own negligence

1170
00:52:15.465 --> 00:52:17.085
and or gross negligence.

1171
00:52:18.385 --> 00:52:20.725
The existing driveway extension utilized

1172
00:52:20.745 --> 00:52:23.445
for the accommodation modification is required

1173
00:52:23.445 --> 00:52:26.045
to be removed at the requester sole expense.

1174
00:52:26.425 --> 00:52:29.525
In the event the accommodation and modification and

1175
00:52:29.585 --> 00:52:32.445
or its use or implementation poses a direct threat

1176
00:52:32.625 --> 00:52:35.525
to the health and safety of the requester and others.

1177
00:52:36.105 --> 00:52:37.565
If there is no longer a need

1178
00:52:37.565 --> 00:52:40.645
for the accommodation modification for any reason, and

1179
00:52:40.665 --> 00:52:44.485
or if the accommodation modification, the driveway extension

1180
00:52:45.025 --> 00:52:49.925
and or the use of the regulations, policies, declarations

1181
00:52:49.925 --> 00:52:52.805
and restrictions applicable to the property with exception

1182
00:52:52.865 --> 00:52:56.525
of the specific accommodation modification, granted herein

1183
00:52:56.825 --> 00:52:58.885
or otherwise presents an undue financial

1184
00:52:58.885 --> 00:53:00.125
or administrative burden

1185
00:53:00.385 --> 00:53:02.285
or fundamentally alters the district

1186
00:53:02.285 --> 00:53:03.605
board's program and services.

1187
00:53:04.105 --> 00:53:06.365
In such an event, the property shall be restored back

1188
00:53:06.365 --> 00:53:08.525
to its pre accommodation condition

1189
00:53:08.525 --> 00:53:11.365
and full compliance with all laws, rules, regulations,

1190
00:53:11.805 --> 00:53:13.165
policies, declarations,

1191
00:53:13.185 --> 00:53:15.525
and restrictions applicable to the property.

1192
00:53:15.945 --> 00:53:18.245
And I'm here to answer any questions that you may have.

1193
00:53:19.115 --> 00:53:20.485
Yeah, I just have a question, Shannon.

1194
00:53:20.625 --> 00:53:24.685
So, um, when a violation like this is cleared, um,

1195
00:53:24.705 --> 00:53:27.085
The homeowner is notified that they would have to,

1196
00:53:27.315 --> 00:53:28.485
upon the sale of the house,

1197
00:53:29.385 --> 00:53:32.285
remove the ACOM accommodation, correct?

1198
00:53:32.315 --> 00:53:33.885
They're notified of that. Correct.

1199
00:53:34.025 --> 00:53:36.445
So this is, yes, they get a copy of the order enforcement

1200
00:53:36.445 --> 00:53:38.085
that explains everything that Okay.

1201
00:53:38.085 --> 00:53:39.925
That I just read to you. That's the only question I had.

1202
00:53:41.825 --> 00:53:44.645
Any other question? No, I am, um,

1203
00:53:45.255 --> 00:53:47.525
aesthetics not withstanding, obviously,

1204
00:53:47.555 --> 00:53:48.925
it's nicely done and so forth.

1205
00:53:49.305 --> 00:53:50.725
We had one at the last meeting,

1206
00:53:51.055 --> 00:53:52.765
which was in a courtyard villa.

1207
00:53:52.825 --> 00:53:54.765
Mm-hmm. As we all know, the courtyard,

1208
00:53:54.815 --> 00:53:58.125
villa driveways are tight, curved, and narrow.

1209
00:53:58.595 --> 00:54:03.095
This is not, this is a wide extension on both sides.

1210
00:54:03.975 --> 00:54:07.875
Unless they're putting a a, an RV in there, there is no need

1211
00:54:07.875 --> 00:54:09.075
for this to be on both sides.

1212
00:54:09.795 --> 00:54:11.275
Apparently. It's lacking a flare.

1213
00:54:11.295 --> 00:54:13.555
So there are multiple things.

1214
00:54:13.705 --> 00:54:15.195
This is, this is an aesthetic change.

1215
00:54:15.265 --> 00:54:17.475
This is, this is a normal sized driveway.

1216
00:54:17.975 --> 00:54:20.395
Any vehicle can get in there to whatever,

1217
00:54:20.415 --> 00:54:22.795
and let somebody out decide whatever it might be.

1218
00:54:23.105 --> 00:54:24.955
They don't need extensions on both sides,

1219
00:54:25.305 --> 00:54:27.475
lacking a flare and all.

1220
00:54:27.475 --> 00:54:29.435
The other problem too is again,

1221
00:54:30.015 --> 00:54:33.155
the rule says the driveway surface has to be consistent.

1222
00:54:34.615 --> 00:54:36.995
It has to be either all concrete, all pavers or whatever.

1223
00:54:37.995 --> 00:54:40.765
I don't see the need for approving this the way it's,

1224
00:54:40.945 --> 00:54:42.325
that's just my feeling.

1225
00:54:44.825 --> 00:54:47.445
So I can address the issue with the, um, aesthetics

1226
00:54:47.445 --> 00:54:49.805
and the difference in the driveway and the sides.

1227
00:54:50.545 --> 00:54:52.885
Um, you are right. They don't match.

1228
00:54:53.145 --> 00:54:56.445
You could require that they remove the sides

1229
00:54:56.505 --> 00:54:59.525
and replace it with concrete to match the sidewalk to,

1230
00:54:59.545 --> 00:55:01.445
to match the rest of the, um, driveway.

1231
00:55:01.705 --> 00:55:03.965
That's really up to this board as to whether you want them

1232
00:55:04.025 --> 00:55:05.485
to incur that cost to do that.

1233
00:55:06.145 --> 00:55:08.125
Um, with regard to the other issues, um,

1234
00:55:08.125 --> 00:55:10.605
they've met the requirements of the federal law

1235
00:55:10.745 --> 00:55:12.525
for this request.

1236
00:55:12.665 --> 00:55:13.765
So I mean, there's not really much

1237
00:55:13.765 --> 00:55:14.925
more to say on that issue.

1238
00:55:16.685 --> 00:55:18.055
Well, they're going to, they're going grant

1239
00:55:18.055 --> 00:55:19.095
that authority anyhow.

1240
00:55:19.335 --> 00:55:22.055
Somebody has a handicap. The point is the question,

1241
00:55:22.055 --> 00:55:25.575
like I said, the previous situation we had, which I voted

1242
00:55:25.715 --> 00:55:28.735
for, was a courtyard goal that was a narrow driveway.

1243
00:55:28.735 --> 00:55:30.375
And it's difficult to get in and out.

1244
00:55:30.965 --> 00:55:34.615
This is a normal two car garage and they've got a three

1245
00:55:34.615 --> 00:55:35.615
or four foot extension.

1246
00:55:35.645 --> 00:55:37.135
What are they putting in this driveway

1247
00:55:37.135 --> 00:55:39.335
that requires extensions on both sides?

1248
00:55:41.435 --> 00:55:42.495
That's again, it,

1249
00:55:42.515 --> 00:55:45.495
it just doesn't pass the smell test logic wise for me.

1250
00:55:46.235 --> 00:55:47.575
But obviously we may be stuck.

1251
00:55:47.925 --> 00:55:49.455
Yeah, I mean it passes the legal test,

1252
00:55:49.475 --> 00:55:52.855
but again, ultimately it's up to, um, this board as to

1253
00:55:53.645 --> 00:55:57.055
whether they wanna make those sides match or not.

1254
00:56:01.615 --> 00:56:02.815
I am Of the, I understand exactly

1255
00:56:02.815 --> 00:56:06.255
where you're coming from, that that was some of my concerns.

1256
00:56:06.955 --> 00:56:08.975
And we're gonna be talking about more of

1257
00:56:08.975 --> 00:56:10.775
that when we get into the next section.

1258
00:56:10.965 --> 00:56:13.375
When we talk about the petition coming

1259
00:56:13.435 --> 00:56:15.575
up for Courtyard Village.

1260
00:56:16.675 --> 00:56:21.055
Um, no, it does not meet the current rules

1261
00:56:21.355 --> 00:56:23.405
as far as the a RC is concerned.

1262
00:56:24.105 --> 00:56:25.725
Uh, it's not the correct material.

1263
00:56:25.865 --> 00:56:27.525
It doesn't have the proper flares,

1264
00:56:28.345 --> 00:56:32.325
but given the reasoning behind

1265
00:56:33.105 --> 00:56:37.845
the need for it, um, the flare is an aesthetic thing.

1266
00:56:37.875 --> 00:56:40.645
It's not, they're obviously not gonna be entering,

1267
00:56:40.875 --> 00:56:42.925
exiting in the vehicle right at the edge

1268
00:56:42.925 --> 00:56:45.325
of the street requiring the additional width there.

1269
00:56:45.385 --> 00:56:48.525
So I can understand that it's, it's also years of experience

1270
00:56:48.525 --> 00:56:50.245
of the monkey c monkey two type of thing.

1271
00:56:50.305 --> 00:56:51.485
Oh, we are gonna have none.

1272
00:56:51.485 --> 00:56:54.205
It has nothing to do with the, the physical.

1273
00:56:54.305 --> 00:56:56.005
How many times you gonna say, this one got a

1274
00:56:56.005 --> 00:56:57.165
prairie, why can't I get this one?

1275
00:56:57.425 --> 00:56:59.125
We are just gonna have to stick to the

1276
00:57:00.025 --> 00:57:01.405
The laws. Yeah. The

1277
00:57:01.405 --> 00:57:04.325
Law pertaining to this item and this item only.

1278
00:57:04.585 --> 00:57:07.125
And so apparently this is the neighbor, correct.

1279
00:57:07.185 --> 00:57:09.765
Of the one that you approved last month.

1280
00:57:10.025 --> 00:57:11.405
Um, the driveway was a little different,

1281
00:57:11.425 --> 00:57:14.285
but it also had stone, I think on the sides instead

1282
00:57:14.285 --> 00:57:15.925
of the matching driveway.

1283
00:57:16.225 --> 00:57:18.365
So you're kind of in a position to where I think it

1284
00:57:18.405 --> 00:57:20.325
Had paper, it hit with some kind of a paper Flagstone.

1285
00:57:20.515 --> 00:57:21.965
Yeah. Flexner or whatever it might be.

1286
00:57:22.095 --> 00:57:23.445
Right. And, and, and you're right.

1287
00:57:23.465 --> 00:57:27.165
You know, it gets into the, well, my neighbor had, they have

1288
00:57:27.165 --> 00:57:29.485
to get an opinion, they have to get something from a doctor

1289
00:57:29.835 --> 00:57:31.485
that says they have this disability.

1290
00:57:31.705 --> 00:57:35.365
You know? Um, that's about all I can say is

1291
00:57:35.365 --> 00:57:36.565
that they got, they have the proper

1292
00:57:36.725 --> 00:57:37.725
Paperwork. My biggest

1293
00:57:37.725 --> 00:57:39.525
concern is we make sure

1294
00:57:39.595 --> 00:57:43.445
that we've got it very clearly stated, not in legal,

1295
00:57:44.225 --> 00:57:47.045
but what would be

1296
00:57:47.675 --> 00:57:49.805
quality along with the title of the property.

1297
00:57:49.865 --> 00:57:51.125
You get ready to sell this house

1298
00:57:52.295 --> 00:57:54.875
unless the person that buys the house happens

1299
00:57:55.015 --> 00:57:57.515
to have the same adjustability and files

1300
00:57:57.615 --> 00:58:00.475
and gets approved, it's coming out of your defense.

1301
00:58:00.865 --> 00:58:02.195
Yeah. So the good thing now is

1302
00:58:02.195 --> 00:58:04.755
that these are now recorded, um, in the public record.

1303
00:58:04.935 --> 00:58:07.555
So they show up on a title search when somebody is gonna

1304
00:58:07.785 --> 00:58:09.075
potentially purchase this.

1305
00:58:09.425 --> 00:58:12.035
That order of enforcement will show that, um,

1306
00:58:12.425 --> 00:58:13.555
there's an issue with it

1307
00:58:13.575 --> 00:58:15.595
and that they're required to have it removed

1308
00:58:15.595 --> 00:58:17.195
and the owner's required to remove it. So

1309
00:58:18.145 --> 00:58:20.035
Yeah, mark, in light of what Mr.

1310
00:58:20.145 --> 00:58:21.955
Brianis is saying, I could see

1311
00:58:21.955 --> 00:58:25.795
that if they're within their legal rights to do this, um,

1312
00:58:26.425 --> 00:58:28.755
we'd be in litigation for it if we denied it.

1313
00:58:30.185 --> 00:58:32.475
Yeah, but the thing, the only question, just

1314
00:58:32.475 --> 00:58:33.875
for the sake of Yeah.

1315
00:58:34.155 --> 00:58:36.675
Throwing it out there. I know. Where does it stop, right,

1316
00:58:36.855 --> 00:58:40.595
in terms of you don't have a narrow courtyard villa driveway

1317
00:58:40.625 --> 00:58:41.755
like we had last month.

1318
00:58:41.755 --> 00:58:43.115
That's a different story altogether.

1319
00:58:43.415 --> 00:58:46.075
We have a normal two full, two car wide driveway

1320
00:58:46.495 --> 00:58:48.435
and large extensions on both sides.

1321
00:58:48.775 --> 00:58:50.755
Is somebody gonna come in with the same thing

1322
00:58:51.055 --> 00:58:53.355
and they're gonna meet the court legal requirements

1323
00:58:53.375 --> 00:58:55.755
and they can put 10 foot extensions on both sides?

1324
00:58:55.755 --> 00:58:59.635
That's, I'm just like I said, there's, I'm, I'm,

1325
00:58:59.735 --> 00:59:02.115
I'm too geared with logic, that's all.

1326
00:59:02.985 --> 00:59:06.555
Well, it, I guess we have to rely on the legal process.

1327
00:59:06.745 --> 00:59:09.555
Yeah. And say that, uh, in that particular case,

1328
00:59:11.505 --> 00:59:14.115
they have to prove why they need 10 feet, not three feet

1329
00:59:14.135 --> 00:59:15.435
or not five feet or whatever.

1330
00:59:15.455 --> 00:59:16.915
And if they can't prove it, they don't get it.

1331
00:59:18.295 --> 00:59:20.675
That's right. I Mean, is that possible, Mr. Be

1332
00:59:20.765 --> 00:59:22.245
Where we could say it?

1333
00:59:22.305 --> 00:59:24.445
It it could be, it has to be three feet,

1334
00:59:24.745 --> 00:59:26.005
not 10 feet, something

1335
00:59:26.005 --> 00:59:27.005
Like that. You can't say

1336
00:59:27.005 --> 00:59:30.365
it's really a legal determination that's made.

1337
00:59:30.505 --> 00:59:35.165
And so any before these come to you, um, they are going over

1338
00:59:35.195 --> 00:59:37.645
with, uh, community standards and my office,

1339
00:59:38.385 --> 00:59:39.885
and we review the facts.

1340
00:59:40.225 --> 00:59:41.485
We review the requests,

1341
00:59:42.065 --> 00:59:44.525
we review whether there's any other alternatives

1342
00:59:44.525 --> 00:59:47.645
that could be, um, to meet the,

1343
00:59:47.665 --> 00:59:49.605
to accomplish the goal without violating

1344
00:59:49.625 --> 00:59:51.125
or changing our rule for them.

1345
00:59:51.425 --> 00:59:53.685
Um, so when we come to you, we've already reviewed it

1346
00:59:53.685 --> 00:59:57.125
and we've said, based on what they've sent us,

1347
00:59:57.405 --> 01:00:00.165
provided us with, you really need to approve it.

1348
01:00:00.755 --> 01:00:02.725
Otherwise we would recommend against it.

1349
01:00:03.405 --> 01:00:04.965
I think the fact too that we have

1350
01:00:05.485 --> 01:00:09.525
existing situations like this that are being approved

1351
01:00:09.665 --> 01:00:12.045
as opposed to somebody who's made an ARC request

1352
01:00:12.045 --> 01:00:13.965
for a driveway extension is been denied,

1353
01:00:13.965 --> 01:00:15.925
and then they come to us and say, we'd like

1354
01:00:15.925 --> 01:00:20.805
to do a driveway extension, um, to accommodate this, then I,

1355
01:00:20.825 --> 01:00:23.325
we may be able to say yes, as long as it's concrete

1356
01:00:24.745 --> 01:00:25.805
or, you know, to meet that.

1357
01:00:25.825 --> 01:00:28.125
But since it's already an existing structure

1358
01:00:28.265 --> 01:00:29.325
and they've approved this,

1359
01:00:30.205 --> 01:00:31.645
I don't think there's anything we can do about it.

1360
01:00:33.265 --> 01:00:36.205
Yes. I I think that's part of the problem is

1361
01:00:37.805 --> 01:00:39.975
they're asking, uh, forgiveness,

1362
01:00:40.155 --> 01:00:41.335
not permission at this point.

1363
01:00:41.405 --> 01:00:45.815
Correct. Mm-hmm. But under the circumstances,

1364
01:00:46.355 --> 01:00:49.055
uh, well,

1365
01:00:49.055 --> 01:00:51.535
the A-R-C-A-R-C can't grant permission.

1366
01:00:51.845 --> 01:00:54.655
Yeah. That's why it goes through this channel. Yeah.

1367
01:00:54.655 --> 01:00:56.815
They come back this direction. Mm-hmm. Alright.

1368
01:00:56.995 --> 01:01:00.895
So at this point I'm going to close the public hearing.

1369
01:01:02.355 --> 01:01:03.975
Public hearing is now closed.

1370
01:01:05.035 --> 01:01:07.415
We have a recommendation from staff,

1371
01:01:10.655 --> 01:01:14.335
a motion to approve or disapprove whatever

1372
01:01:15.175 --> 01:01:16.415
I move that we approve.

1373
01:01:16.785 --> 01:01:17.855
Staff recommendation

1374
01:01:17.915 --> 01:01:22.055
for case FHAD dash 10 dash 12 dash 25.

1375
01:01:23.035 --> 01:01:24.575
We have a motion. Do we have a second?

1376
01:01:27.015 --> 01:01:30.255
I second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor?

1377
01:01:30.915 --> 01:01:31.495
Aye. Aye.

1378
01:01:31.965 --> 01:01:36.575
Opposed? Motion is passed.

1379
01:01:36.865 --> 01:01:38.135
Thank you. Board. Thank

1380
01:01:38.135 --> 01:01:39.135
You. Thank you.

1381
01:01:39.135 --> 01:01:42.175
We're gonna move on now

1382
01:01:42.175 --> 01:01:44.935
to all business, all business status update.

1383
01:01:51.245 --> 01:01:52.495
Good afternoon Board members.

1384
01:01:52.835 --> 01:01:55.695
Um, the only item on old business is included

1385
01:01:55.995 --> 01:01:59.375
as a presentation pertaining to Antrim Dell's entry.

1386
01:02:00.115 --> 01:02:04.335
Um, good afternoon board, Shannon Boyd Community Standards.

1387
01:02:04.755 --> 01:02:06.975
Um, today I am here, um,

1388
01:02:07.045 --> 01:02:10.295
regarding possibly amending the architectural review manual,

1389
01:02:10.795 --> 01:02:12.655
the section, the front entry screening

1390
01:02:12.655 --> 01:02:14.455
and flooring for Courtyard Villa units

1391
01:02:14.915 --> 01:02:18.255
to include the petition process to allow villa units to add

1392
01:02:18.815 --> 01:02:21.285
concrete or pavers in the area between the front entry

1393
01:02:21.285 --> 01:02:23.525
of the home and the driveway or walkway.

1394
01:02:24.025 --> 01:02:25.725
Um, this request is being brought

1395
01:02:25.725 --> 01:02:27.445
before the board for your consideration

1396
01:02:27.785 --> 01:02:29.645
to amend the architectural review manual,

1397
01:02:29.865 --> 01:02:31.485
the section front entry screening

1398
01:02:31.485 --> 01:02:34.565
and flooring in Courtyard Villa units to allow residents

1399
01:02:34.565 --> 01:02:37.085
to add concrete or pavers in the area

1400
01:02:37.245 --> 01:02:39.925
between the front entry of the home and the driveway

1401
01:02:39.925 --> 01:02:42.405
or walkway at the March 20th Village.

1402
01:02:42.405 --> 01:02:44.925
Community Development District Number 10, board meeting,

1403
01:02:45.325 --> 01:02:47.285
a resident expressed interest in being able

1404
01:02:47.285 --> 01:02:50.205
to modify the area between the front entry of the home

1405
01:02:50.205 --> 01:02:51.525
and the driveway walkway.

1406
01:02:52.065 --> 01:02:54.565
Uh, this process would be similar to the petition process.

1407
01:02:54.705 --> 01:02:57.565
The board has previously approved for courtyard,

1408
01:02:57.575 --> 01:03:01.005
villa driveways, walkway, uh, painting, the home repainting

1409
01:03:01.145 --> 01:03:02.245
and stone veneer.

1410
01:03:02.625 --> 01:03:06.245
Um, so here I will, uh, have a little presentation.

1411
01:03:06.985 --> 01:03:10.605
So this is going to, uh, we're gonna discuss the, um,

1412
01:03:10.605 --> 01:03:11.685
the front entry widening.

1413
01:03:13.705 --> 01:03:15.405
So the, and the petition process.

1414
01:03:15.545 --> 01:03:18.405
So the petition process allows courtyard villa homeowners

1415
01:03:18.405 --> 01:03:21.085
to request modifications to the exterior

1416
01:03:21.225 --> 01:03:22.245
of their villa units

1417
01:03:22.635 --> 01:03:24.805
that substantially alter the appearance.

1418
01:03:25.345 --> 01:03:26.605
To initiate this process,

1419
01:03:26.745 --> 01:03:28.405
the homeowner must request a petition

1420
01:03:28.405 --> 01:03:31.085
for the modification they are requesting to make.

1421
01:03:31.625 --> 01:03:32.685
So the staff will check

1422
01:03:32.685 --> 01:03:35.205
to see if the district board has previously approved

1423
01:03:35.205 --> 01:03:36.205
that petition process.

1424
01:03:36.825 --> 01:03:39.405
If previously approved, community standards will provide

1425
01:03:39.405 --> 01:03:42.885
that homeowner with the petition, with the requested,

1426
01:03:43.145 --> 01:03:45.205
the number of signatures they're required to get.

1427
01:03:45.625 --> 01:03:47.245
If it was not previously approved.

1428
01:03:47.665 --> 01:03:50.125
Uh, community standards will present information

1429
01:03:50.125 --> 01:03:51.965
to the district board regarding

1430
01:03:52.085 --> 01:03:53.365
that particular modification,

1431
01:03:53.365 --> 01:03:54.525
which is what we're doing here.

1432
01:03:55.185 --> 01:03:56.765
Um, the board will then decide if

1433
01:03:56.765 --> 01:03:59.325
that modification is something that you believe will benefit

1434
01:03:59.465 --> 01:04:01.885
and enhance the subdivision if denied.

1435
01:04:01.885 --> 01:04:03.085
The petition process for

1436
01:04:03.085 --> 01:04:05.125
that particular modification is declined.

1437
01:04:05.545 --> 01:04:08.885
Um, if approved, the petition process is allowed, um,

1438
01:04:08.895 --> 01:04:11.205
staff would provide the petition to the homeowner

1439
01:04:11.435 --> 01:04:14.005
with the number of signatures they are required to get.

1440
01:04:14.385 --> 01:04:19.005
Uh, the homeowner must obtain signatures from at least 75%

1441
01:04:19.385 --> 01:04:21.605
of the other homeowners in that villa unit.

1442
01:04:21.985 --> 01:04:24.805
Uh, it has to be, it can only be one homeowner, um, of

1443
01:04:24.805 --> 01:04:26.605
that residence, and it cannot be a renter.

1444
01:04:28.665 --> 01:04:32.485
So this is the area, this is a picture of an example

1445
01:04:32.485 --> 01:04:35.685
of the area that they're talking about widening, um,

1446
01:04:35.865 --> 01:04:37.685
or putting concrete or pavers.

1447
01:04:37.685 --> 01:04:39.605
This is what we call the front entry widening.

1448
01:04:39.865 --> 01:04:41.725
So there's an example of what it looks like

1449
01:04:41.725 --> 01:04:43.165
with someone having landscaping

1450
01:04:43.785 --> 01:04:45.685
and then this is what it looked like

1451
01:04:45.815 --> 01:04:48.365
after the fact when they put pavers down.

1452
01:04:48.985 --> 01:04:52.365
Here's another example of theirs, um, of

1453
01:04:52.365 --> 01:04:53.805
where the landscaping was.

1454
01:04:53.945 --> 01:04:56.885
The area between the driveway, walkway and front area.

1455
01:04:57.665 --> 01:04:59.365
And then this is what was done

1456
01:04:59.365 --> 01:05:02.005
after concrete was put down there.

1457
01:05:02.065 --> 01:05:06.125
So those are examples of what the front entry, um,

1458
01:05:07.475 --> 01:05:09.755
widening would consist of.

1459
01:05:10.295 --> 01:05:14.235
Um, in District 10, you do have the courtyard villas.

1460
01:05:14.235 --> 01:05:17.525
They're different. The sizes for the, for that front entry,

1461
01:05:17.585 --> 01:05:19.485
it is different as you can see in the picture.

1462
01:05:19.715 --> 01:05:22.525
Some properties have, you know, a smaller area,

1463
01:05:22.675 --> 01:05:24.485
some have a little bit of a larger area.

1464
01:05:24.905 --> 01:05:28.685
But in the end, this is the request, um, that the homeowner,

1465
01:05:29.305 --> 01:05:30.965
um, was requesting.

1466
01:05:30.985 --> 01:05:33.365
So staff recommends the village community development

1467
01:05:33.725 --> 01:05:36.165
district number 10, a board review

1468
01:05:36.225 --> 01:05:39.205
and discuss the petition process for front entry widening

1469
01:05:39.205 --> 01:05:41.845
for courtyard villa neighborhoods and either approve

1470
01:05:41.865 --> 01:05:44.765
or deny the petition process for an, uh,

1471
01:05:44.765 --> 01:05:45.885
front entry widening

1472
01:05:45.885 --> 01:05:48.365
and to review the architectural review manual

1473
01:05:48.505 --> 01:05:50.485
to include this process if approved.

1474
01:05:50.945 --> 01:05:52.685
And I'm here to answer any questions that you may have.

1475
01:05:53.335 --> 01:05:56.565
Thank you. Yeah, I, I have a question, Shannon.

1476
01:05:56.785 --> 01:06:01.765
So on that picture, um, if the homeowner to the right

1477
01:06:02.695 --> 01:06:06.365
opens that gate, then that whole area between their house

1478
01:06:06.385 --> 01:06:09.125
and the other house is free access for them, right?

1479
01:06:09.235 --> 01:06:10.685
Because I'm, I'm thinking

1480
01:06:10.685 --> 01:06:13.325
that somebody's gonna park a golf cart right there

1481
01:06:13.785 --> 01:06:18.085
and if it's not their gate to open for free access to

1482
01:06:18.085 --> 01:06:21.805
that side yard, then the guy on the left could complain

1483
01:06:21.805 --> 01:06:24.085
that there's a golf cart block his gate.

1484
01:06:24.625 --> 01:06:26.365
But it's, am I correct? You

1485
01:06:26.365 --> 01:06:26.845
Are correct. Yes.

1486
01:06:27.115 --> 01:06:28.765
Courtyard's a quirky, it's

1487
01:06:28.765 --> 01:06:31.245
Free access for that, that homeowner. Yeah.

1488
01:06:32.055 --> 01:06:34.485
Janet is there, because you showed one picture

1489
01:06:34.485 --> 01:06:35.565
here that caught my eye.

1490
01:06:35.565 --> 01:06:38.005
Here we go again. Didn't most,

1491
01:06:38.205 --> 01:06:39.285
'cause we've been, we've done

1492
01:06:39.285 --> 01:06:40.405
these petitions over the years.

1493
01:06:40.555 --> 01:06:42.045
I've seen dozens of 'em.

1494
01:06:43.065 --> 01:06:45.565
But the question is, isn't there a requirement that the,

1495
01:06:45.565 --> 01:06:47.005
again, the surface must match.

1496
01:06:47.435 --> 01:06:50.005
They can't put a bunch of bricks in some place

1497
01:06:50.345 --> 01:06:52.085
for a concrete driveway widening.

1498
01:06:52.725 --> 01:06:54.365
'cause you showed one here where they had pavers,

1499
01:06:54.365 --> 01:06:55.365
Right, for example. Yeah.

1500
01:06:55.365 --> 01:06:56.525
This one has pavers.

1501
01:06:56.825 --> 01:06:59.565
Um, that would be, if you decided that you did want

1502
01:06:59.565 --> 01:07:02.405
to approve that petition process, you could absolutely make

1503
01:07:02.405 --> 01:07:03.405
that a requirement in there.

1504
01:07:03.405 --> 01:07:05.205
And we would update the architecture review manual.

1505
01:07:05.825 --> 01:07:09.325
Um, the other boards that have approved this, they've gone

1506
01:07:09.325 --> 01:07:10.685
with just concrete or pavers

1507
01:07:10.865 --> 01:07:12.925
and haven't specified that it has to match.

1508
01:07:14.465 --> 01:07:15.525
But we can definitely add that.

1509
01:07:15.965 --> 01:07:18.005
'cause people will do crazy things if they can.

1510
01:07:18.145 --> 01:07:20.965
You know, that's, that's why the, the matching surface

1511
01:07:21.985 --> 01:07:23.605
is kind of a safeguard to some degree.

1512
01:07:27.225 --> 01:07:30.045
The two examples that you have shown, they're kind of

1513
01:07:31.605 --> 01:07:33.685
opposite ends of the spectrum in my opinion.

1514
01:07:34.505 --> 01:07:38.885
Uh, the first one, I personally, I'm,

1515
01:07:39.025 --> 01:07:41.245
I'm not in favor of the pavers.

1516
01:07:41.485 --> 01:07:43.805
I would rather it be matching concrete.

1517
01:07:45.195 --> 01:07:49.105
Uh, I know it's a cost factor involved in it,

1518
01:07:49.245 --> 01:07:54.225
but uh, that small of an area doesn't bother me near as much

1519
01:07:54.225 --> 01:07:55.545
as the second picture does.

1520
01:07:55.845 --> 01:07:57.785
If someone had decided to go in there

1521
01:07:57.965 --> 01:07:59.985
and do a complete paver area,

1522
01:08:01.045 --> 01:08:05.785
and I realize the picture is a bird by sanded a little bit

1523
01:08:05.965 --> 01:08:07.225
or, or fish eye view.

1524
01:08:08.205 --> 01:08:12.745
Uh, but that just looks like a whole lot of concrete in

1525
01:08:13.505 --> 01:08:15.845
a very small area to me that I

1526
01:08:16.575 --> 01:08:18.205
personally, I have a problem with.

1527
01:08:19.145 --> 01:08:22.485
Um, if I was,

1528
01:08:23.585 --> 01:08:26.685
my opinion would be if we were going to agree

1529
01:08:26.745 --> 01:08:31.205
to accept a petition that we do make material

1530
01:08:31.345 --> 01:08:35.925
to match and not have a wide

1531
01:08:35.925 --> 01:08:39.405
variety of pavers or colors or whatever else,

1532
01:08:39.475 --> 01:08:42.805
because we're gonna end up with

1533
01:08:44.275 --> 01:08:46.485
cars parked every which way and everything else.

1534
01:08:47.155 --> 01:08:49.965
I've never seen one with this a major widening.

1535
01:08:49.995 --> 01:08:52.725
It's usually only that one little area there. Mm-hmm.

1536
01:08:52.805 --> 01:08:55.085
Right up by near where the garage is.

1537
01:08:55.315 --> 01:08:57.165
That leads over to the front entry

1538
01:08:57.185 --> 01:08:59.165
or the front stoop, so to speak.

1539
01:08:59.165 --> 01:09:02.085
From the house. I've never seen anything just, you know,

1540
01:09:02.675 --> 01:09:06.285
whining the driveway by six, eight feet or more.

1541
01:09:09.265 --> 01:09:13.525
Excuse me. The public get a chance to comment.

1542
01:09:15.065 --> 01:09:16.765
No, sir. It's up to you, Mr. Chair.

1543
01:09:17.035 --> 01:09:20.445
Well, we don't have that many people here or whatever. Sure.

1544
01:09:20.985 --> 01:09:23.205
If you'll go to the podium. State your

1545
01:09:23.205 --> 01:09:24.245
name and address please, sir.

1546
01:09:26.065 --> 01:09:28.005
Out of know as many times as you've been here.

1547
01:09:29.945 --> 01:09:32.365
My name is, uh, Joseph Palermo.

1548
01:09:32.565 --> 01:09:35.805
I live at 3 7 9 5 wrangle way.

1549
01:09:37.465 --> 01:09:39.405
The comment I'd like to make is about

1550
01:09:39.405 --> 01:09:43.645
that picture you just showed of that house with

1551
01:09:43.645 --> 01:09:46.285
that very big expanded, uh, concrete.

1552
01:09:47.485 --> 01:09:49.005
I have a picture on my phone.

1553
01:09:50.035 --> 01:09:53.005
That house right now is the petitioner

1554
01:09:53.745 --> 01:09:55.405
and they park their cars there.

1555
01:09:56.435 --> 01:09:58.605
They park 'em right up under that eve.

1556
01:09:59.305 --> 01:10:01.845
And they also at times have a golf cart under there.

1557
01:10:02.505 --> 01:10:06.365
And it's a, it's really a bad look

1558
01:10:07.105 --> 01:10:09.125
and I just wanted to make that known.

1559
01:10:09.325 --> 01:10:11.285
I have the pictures if you'd like to see 'em.

1560
01:10:11.685 --> 01:10:13.485
I think that's a bad mis representation.

1561
01:10:14.655 --> 01:10:17.445
Thank you. Yeah, that, that's what I was saying.

1562
01:10:17.645 --> 01:10:20.045
'cause I've, we've done these, I said dozens of them

1563
01:10:20.425 --> 01:10:22.925
and it's only been limited to that one little area so

1564
01:10:22.925 --> 01:10:25.645
that you'll have that little tight turn into the garage.

1565
01:10:26.535 --> 01:10:28.905
I've never seen anything where they were allowed to widen it

1566
01:10:28.905 --> 01:10:31.625
by 10 feet or actually double the size of the driveway

1567
01:10:31.765 --> 01:10:33.745
or width the driveway, anything.

1568
01:10:33.775 --> 01:10:36.825
Usually it's not beyond the structure

1569
01:10:37.375 --> 01:10:39.145
because we've had that with, even with Holmes

1570
01:10:39.145 --> 01:10:42.225
with straight driveways, they can't extend the driveway

1571
01:10:42.405 --> 01:10:45.745
beyond the actual physical garage structure.

1572
01:10:46.325 --> 01:10:48.585
So it may give him two feet on whatever it might be.

1573
01:10:49.285 --> 01:10:51.385
So is this a situation where we have a house

1574
01:10:51.385 --> 01:10:52.625
that's not in compliance?

1575
01:10:54.195 --> 01:10:58.465
There, there, there is a house that's not in compliance.

1576
01:10:59.005 --> 01:11:00.025
So we have a situation.

1577
01:11:00.485 --> 01:11:02.065
Has there been a complaint filed?

1578
01:11:02.065 --> 01:11:03.785
Mm-hmm. Okay. Yes.

1579
01:11:04.565 --> 01:11:07.145
So that homeowner is, has come

1580
01:11:07.145 --> 01:11:09.305
before you to request a petition process Okay.

1581
01:11:09.565 --> 01:11:11.065
For this type of modification.

1582
01:11:11.275 --> 01:11:13.065
We've not seen the complaint. No.

1583
01:11:13.185 --> 01:11:14.645
No, we Won't. No.

1584
01:11:15.235 --> 01:11:18.485
Okay. Goes through, through the process. Yeah.

1585
01:11:18.745 --> 01:11:22.965
Um, there is such a

1586
01:11:24.155 --> 01:11:28.085
wide variety of areas from

1587
01:11:28.785 --> 01:11:31.645
10 square feet to 200 square feet.

1588
01:11:32.585 --> 01:11:34.525
I'm just not comfortable with giving a blanket.

1589
01:11:35.805 --> 01:11:38.885
I would agree. Petition that you can fill

1590
01:11:39.195 --> 01:11:41.245
that area in regardless of the size.

1591
01:11:41.925 --> 01:11:43.685
I just, that, that would be my opinion

1592
01:11:47.755 --> 01:11:50.485
because that it becomes a parking lot.

1593
01:11:51.105 --> 01:11:53.405
And this has always been, this has been a common complaint

1594
01:11:53.405 --> 01:11:55.965
with people who want to keep widening dry the end

1595
01:11:56.185 --> 01:11:57.525
beyond the structure of the garage.

1596
01:11:57.525 --> 01:12:00.525
They turn the front yard into a parking lot type of thing.

1597
01:12:01.225 --> 01:12:03.085
So what is, what is, so I know

1598
01:12:03.085 --> 01:12:05.245
that this has been approved in other areas

1599
01:12:06.785 --> 01:12:09.965
and what is the purpose of doing that?

1600
01:12:10.785 --> 01:12:14.955
What is, so is it so they have easier access to the gate

1601
01:12:15.095 --> 01:12:17.995
so they have a wider space to, I don't know,

1602
01:12:17.995 --> 01:12:19.235
move a lawnmower through there?

1603
01:12:19.235 --> 01:12:21.515
That or something? Or what, what is the purpose?

1604
01:12:22.735 --> 01:12:25.475
Why, why would someone want to fill that area in?

1605
01:12:25.965 --> 01:12:28.155
There have been different reasons.

1606
01:12:28.255 --> 01:12:30.515
People have given, um, some people

1607
01:12:31.065 --> 01:12:32.235
want it for safety reasons.

1608
01:12:32.265 --> 01:12:33.955
They don't want that little area to have

1609
01:12:33.955 --> 01:12:35.395
to step down or go around.

1610
01:12:36.015 --> 01:12:40.195
Um, some people want the extra space for, um,

1611
01:12:40.535 --> 01:12:41.595
if they wanna sit out there.

1612
01:12:42.015 --> 01:12:45.515
Um, there may, people may be, uh, choosing it

1613
01:12:45.735 --> 01:12:49.795
for other reasons for such as parking a vehicle

1614
01:12:49.975 --> 01:12:51.875
or a golf cart on there that I, I don't know.

1615
01:12:51.875 --> 01:12:52.995
And that's the question. When does it

1616
01:12:52.995 --> 01:12:54.235
become a driveway extension?

1617
01:12:57.385 --> 01:13:00.275
Well, just again, to fill in your que we go back to,

1618
01:13:01.055 --> 01:13:02.275
as most of us would know

1619
01:13:02.395 --> 01:13:03.915
'cause you're, you're on a court, jack.

1620
01:13:04.215 --> 01:13:06.915
Yes. Yeah. 'cause most of the courtyards, except

1621
01:13:06.915 --> 01:13:08.555
for District 10, has a lot of the more,

1622
01:13:08.555 --> 01:13:09.715
what I call the bungalow style.

1623
01:13:09.715 --> 01:13:11.995
They actually have full two car garages rather than a car

1624
01:13:11.995 --> 01:13:15.825
and a half courtyard Villas often have that curved driveway.

1625
01:13:16.335 --> 01:13:18.025
It's narrow and they put,

1626
01:13:18.025 --> 01:13:20.065
even if the car's not going into the, they, they have

1627
01:13:20.065 --> 01:13:21.745
to step out almost into the garden there.

1628
01:13:22.205 --> 01:13:25.145
And it usually, what we've seen on these extensions

1629
01:13:25.285 --> 01:13:29.625
or extra paving, it's just that little area just to be able

1630
01:13:29.625 --> 01:13:31.625
to create a little bigger concrete area right.

1631
01:13:31.645 --> 01:13:33.785
By where the walkway leads into the house.

1632
01:13:34.205 --> 01:13:37.905
It has nothing to do with widening the driveway by

1633
01:13:38.705 --> 01:13:40.265
whatever the one might be, 12 feet.

1634
01:13:41.285 --> 01:13:42.985
Two. They're two different animals from

1635
01:13:42.985 --> 01:13:44.225
what we have seen over the years.

1636
01:13:45.605 --> 01:13:48.905
My concern is once we approve something similar

1637
01:13:49.085 --> 01:13:50.345
to the second picture,

1638
01:13:51.735 --> 01:13:55.065
then the next thing is it's gonna become an outdoor patio

1639
01:13:55.335 --> 01:13:57.425
area and you're gonna want to have, uh,

1640
01:13:59.925 --> 01:14:02.905
low landscape walls around it, or sitting walls

1641
01:14:03.045 --> 01:14:04.545
or whatever, which are not allowed.

1642
01:14:05.675 --> 01:14:09.265
Those walls in a courtyard villa only can go as far

1643
01:14:09.265 --> 01:14:10.265
as the eve of the roof.

1644
01:14:11.385 --> 01:14:14.085
It cannot extend out past it. Right.

1645
01:14:14.505 --> 01:14:16.445
You cannot have any structure out there.

1646
01:14:17.635 --> 01:14:22.175
Uh, personally, the only way I would accept something like

1647
01:14:22.175 --> 01:14:23.735
that is to have a stipulation.

1648
01:14:23.735 --> 01:14:26.735
And then under no circumstance can it be used for parking of

1649
01:14:27.245 --> 01:14:30.095
golf carts, cars, whatever, period.

1650
01:14:31.125 --> 01:14:32.855
Because that's what it's gonna become.

1651
01:14:33.425 --> 01:14:37.095
Right. It could be restricted to the standard,

1652
01:14:37.125 --> 01:14:39.855
what we call the standard widening up by the, up

1653
01:14:39.855 --> 01:14:40.855
by the walkway to the house.

1654
01:14:40.995 --> 01:14:44.335
And also as, as you said, matching surface.

1655
01:14:45.765 --> 01:14:47.535
Somehow it's gonna have to be restricted

1656
01:14:47.555 --> 01:14:50.095
by having square feet or whatever.

1657
01:14:50.275 --> 01:14:54.295
And we've got so many varieties bring it back. Design.

1658
01:14:54.715 --> 01:14:57.895
That's what was difficult is that's why there,

1659
01:14:57.955 --> 01:14:59.575
the pictures are very different

1660
01:14:59.605 --> 01:15:03.015
because District 10 does have, you have some properties

1661
01:15:03.015 --> 01:15:04.975
that have very little, um,

1662
01:15:05.325 --> 01:15:07.255
like landscaping bed in that area.

1663
01:15:07.475 --> 01:15:09.055
So it's very small.

1664
01:15:09.275 --> 01:15:11.015
Go into the second one.

1665
01:15:11.835 --> 01:15:13.255
So your property's like the second one.

1666
01:15:13.795 --> 01:15:16.495
And then there, there were some that are similar to that.

1667
01:15:16.925 --> 01:15:19.695
This one happened to have that I saw all sorts of, um,

1668
01:15:20.125 --> 01:15:23.615
different sizes, um, when it came to the front entries.

1669
01:15:23.635 --> 01:15:25.175
Mm-hmm. That area

1670
01:15:25.965 --> 01:15:28.255
Nine, i I would say I've got, uh,

1671
01:15:29.035 --> 01:15:31.455
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

1672
01:15:32.045 --> 01:15:34.295
I've got 10 different shrubs in that area.

1673
01:15:34.395 --> 01:15:37.495
That's how big it is. It covers that whole area. Yeah.

1674
01:15:37.595 --> 01:15:40.415
See that looks like a driveway extension to me. Oh it is.

1675
01:15:40.845 --> 01:15:43.335
When you do that, say that again Holly.

1676
01:15:43.495 --> 01:15:46.535
I said that looks like a driveway extension to me. Yeah.

1677
01:15:46.565 --> 01:15:48.575
When you do, when, if you fill all that in,

1678
01:15:48.745 --> 01:15:50.775
Right. If you fill it in

1679
01:15:51.005 --> 01:15:52.005
Yeah. That,

1680
01:15:52.005 --> 01:15:53.935
that driveway's wide enough as it is.

1681
01:15:53.955 --> 01:15:56.255
That's, that's exactly what Mark was talking about.

1682
01:15:56.315 --> 01:15:58.135
And that's what I've got is I've got a

1683
01:15:58.475 --> 01:15:59.495
two car, two car garage.

1684
01:15:59.635 --> 01:16:03.335
Garage with a driveway that is on the curb. Yeah.

1685
01:16:03.755 --> 01:16:05.735
And I have no problem with either one

1686
01:16:05.735 --> 01:16:06.735
of my vehicles getting it.

1687
01:16:07.565 --> 01:16:09.495
Well, and you bought it for that reason so

1688
01:16:09.495 --> 01:16:10.735
that you had a two car garage.

1689
01:16:10.795 --> 01:16:11.815
You bought it for that reason.

1690
01:16:12.275 --> 01:16:17.015
And I, yeah, I, I,

1691
01:16:17.175 --> 01:16:20.775
I would recommend just limited to the area right here.

1692
01:16:22.075 --> 01:16:23.575
Do we know what that distance is?

1693
01:16:24.305 --> 01:16:27.335
Could we say not to see more than X number of

1694
01:16:27.335 --> 01:16:28.975
Feet or X number of feet even from the,

1695
01:16:28.975 --> 01:16:30.615
from the dwelling or from the garage?

1696
01:16:30.895 --> 01:16:32.975
'cause that'll stop all the stuff going down to the curb.

1697
01:16:33.315 --> 01:16:34.535
Mm-hmm. That's different.

1698
01:16:34.735 --> 01:16:37.135
I mean, would this be, would this be applicable only

1699
01:16:37.135 --> 01:16:39.535
to the homes that have a garage and a half?

1700
01:16:42.155 --> 01:16:44.455
Should we say it only, not necessarily. Not

1701
01:16:44.455 --> 01:16:45.455
Necessarily. So

1702
01:16:45.455 --> 01:16:47.135
ones that have garage

1703
01:16:47.135 --> 01:16:48.415
and half still might have

1704
01:16:48.995 --> 01:16:51.415
big expensive space like you have Jack.

1705
01:16:51.845 --> 01:16:52.335
They could,

1706
01:16:57.395 --> 01:16:58.535
but you're going to fill us in with

1707
01:16:59.235 --> 01:17:00.235
Mr. Chairman. I

1708
01:17:00.235 --> 01:17:00.655
I,

1709
01:17:01.735 --> 01:17:04.335
I think we're gonna wanna look at Antrim Dells

1710
01:17:04.555 --> 01:17:07.215
and the particular properties in Antrim Dells

1711
01:17:07.215 --> 01:17:09.565
because if you set a, a restriction like the one

1712
01:17:09.565 --> 01:17:10.685
that's depicted in the picture

1713
01:17:10.785 --> 01:17:13.205
and there are no properties that meet that criteria,

1714
01:17:13.915 --> 01:17:16.605
there's really no resolution to anything

1715
01:17:16.605 --> 01:17:18.565
because that, that's a very different

1716
01:17:19.925 --> 01:17:22.125
entryway mm-hmm. Compared to

1717
01:17:22.585 --> 01:17:23.445
The second one. That

1718
01:17:23.445 --> 01:17:24.445
One. Yes. Mm-hmm.

1719
01:17:24.445 --> 01:17:24.745

1720
01:17:26.065 --> 01:17:29.205
The first one, if I had been on the A

1721
01:17:29.325 --> 01:17:30.365
RC, I would approve it.

1722
01:17:30.365 --> 01:17:31.365
The second one I would not.

1723
01:17:32.865 --> 01:17:36.125
And that's, it was the inference areas, which can be,

1724
01:17:36.865 --> 01:17:39.925
And considering pervious to impervious ratio.

1725
01:17:40.165 --> 01:17:44.605
I mean the, you know, the, the pavers are gonna have some

1726
01:17:44.965 --> 01:17:48.565
pervious a, a aspect versus impervious,

1727
01:17:48.795 --> 01:17:50.645
just solid concrete all the way up.

1728
01:17:51.025 --> 01:17:53.725
Mm-hmm. Well that's why they can put stone

1729
01:17:53.995 --> 01:17:55.405
because they're designed differently.

1730
01:17:55.405 --> 01:18:00.045
And I would still prefer to keep it limited to the area

1731
01:18:00.105 --> 01:18:01.165
of the sidewall Right.

1732
01:18:01.165 --> 01:18:03.725
By the sidewalk. The current rows with the courtyard vs.

1733
01:18:03.945 --> 01:18:08.565
Do not allow any kind of pavers or anything. Correct.

1734
01:18:08.825 --> 01:18:12.125
So now we're making an exception to that as well. Can

1735
01:18:12.125 --> 01:18:14.445
You go back to that first picture please? Yeah.

1736
01:18:15.185 --> 01:18:18.895
Um, I'm looking. Okay.

1737
01:18:20.555 --> 01:18:22.055
That's a very small area. Yeah.

1738
01:18:22.805 --> 01:18:23.805
Well, And I was Also

1739
01:18:23.805 --> 01:18:24.935
looking at, you know, because I'm thinking

1740
01:18:24.955 --> 01:18:26.095
I'm, I'm trying to be sensitive too.

1741
01:18:26.095 --> 01:18:27.295
If I'm stepping outta my car,

1742
01:18:27.295 --> 01:18:28.695
do I have enough room to get outta my car

1743
01:18:29.675 --> 01:18:32.695
And Yeah, probably.

1744
01:18:33.645 --> 01:18:36.255
Yeah. Because it is always been, it's always been just

1745
01:18:36.255 --> 01:18:38.855
that little area next to the sidewalk

1746
01:18:38.865 --> 01:18:40.975
where there's usually some planting where they just want

1747
01:18:40.975 --> 01:18:42.975
to have a little white, the car there.

1748
01:18:43.205 --> 01:18:45.495
They don't want to step out necessarily into a garden.

1749
01:18:46.675 --> 01:18:48.335
And that's all we, that's all we've ever done.

1750
01:18:48.435 --> 01:18:49.935
Why don't we do this? Why don't we look

1751
01:18:50.275 --> 01:18:53.295
and get somebody to look at the number of homicide in there

1752
01:18:53.435 --> 01:18:58.055
and try to limit it to those that do not exceed.

1753
01:18:58.835 --> 01:19:03.375
Uh, to me that looks like about a 30 square foot area.

1754
01:19:04.825 --> 01:19:09.255
Sorry about the end. I mean, can maybe get

1755
01:19:09.255 --> 01:19:11.375
to not exceed a certain amount of square feet.

1756
01:19:14.335 --> 01:19:16.495
I think the lo I think the location has to be there because

1757
01:19:16.495 --> 01:19:18.415
otherwise somebody's gonna put a strip down the side

1758
01:19:18.725 --> 01:19:21.135
because we're only talking about really widening it right

1759
01:19:21.135 --> 01:19:22.495
there by the front entrance.

1760
01:19:22.595 --> 01:19:24.455
That's been the standard. But

1761
01:19:24.455 --> 01:19:26.415
what we're talking about here is the proving the

1762
01:19:26.475 --> 01:19:27.975
infill not an addition.

1763
01:19:28.505 --> 01:19:30.295
Right. Yeah, exactly.

1764
01:19:31.045 --> 01:19:32.855
What you're talking about is somebody's gonna want

1765
01:19:32.855 --> 01:19:34.935
to add another slab or another whatever.

1766
01:19:35.555 --> 01:19:37.015
But we're talking about here is strictly

1767
01:19:37.275 --> 01:19:38.695
infill. Infill, correct.

1768
01:19:38.965 --> 01:19:41.815
Yeah. But they'll interpret it as Oh, that's just infill.

1769
01:19:43.445 --> 01:19:47.725
Yeah. So, you know, we're trying

1770
01:19:47.725 --> 01:19:49.285
to figure out a way to restrict it

1771
01:19:49.385 --> 01:19:51.205
to just that little piece.

1772
01:19:51.785 --> 01:19:54.405
But if I could park a car there at the driveway extension.

1773
01:19:54.915 --> 01:19:57.805
Yeah, I agree. I agree.

1774
01:19:57.855 --> 01:20:00.085
Based on all the comments charts,

1775
01:20:04.045 --> 01:20:05.045
Mr. Chairman, if

1776
01:20:05.045 --> 01:20:08.005
we can delay any type of action on this

1777
01:20:08.225 --> 01:20:11.525
and let staff review with legal counsel, um,

1778
01:20:11.905 --> 01:20:14.405
the Antrim Dell's setup in particular.

1779
01:20:15.265 --> 01:20:18.725
Um, and just ensure that we're accomplishing what we've,

1780
01:20:18.725 --> 01:20:19.845
you know, what we've heard today

1781
01:20:19.845 --> 01:20:23.325
and the feedback based on the, the requester

1782
01:20:23.325 --> 01:20:25.365
and what's been done at that property

1783
01:20:25.905 --> 01:20:29.045
versus what's been done at other villa units.

1784
01:20:29.345 --> 01:20:34.045
And the more minimal approach of extensions or widening,

1785
01:20:34.285 --> 01:20:36.325
I think from Dells is all two car garage,

1786
01:20:36.325 --> 01:20:38.565
aren't they? I don't think they,

1787
01:20:38.595 --> 01:20:40.085
Yeah, those are like premier villas.

1788
01:20:40.085 --> 01:20:41.845
They're more the bungalow. They're all slightly

1789
01:20:41.895 --> 01:20:43.005
wider. Yeah. I

1790
01:20:43.005 --> 01:20:44.005
Call 'em the premier.

1791
01:20:44.265 --> 01:20:48.685
So like just the fill area, that area showing the drive.

1792
01:20:48.685 --> 01:20:51.245
Each one of the driveways that comes in with the,

1793
01:20:51.405 --> 01:20:53.045
I don't know whether it shows the improvements,

1794
01:20:53.185 --> 01:20:55.285
the sidewalks and whatever or not, but

1795
01:20:57.225 --> 01:20:58.225
It doesn't. Okay.

1796
01:20:58.225 --> 01:20:59.805
No, it's just gonna show the lot.

1797
01:20:59.805 --> 01:21:01.725
It's not gonna show what the home

1798
01:21:01.825 --> 01:21:04.405
and what that surface looks like, um,

1799
01:21:04.905 --> 01:21:07.125
for each property. So are there other

1800
01:21:07.365 --> 01:21:08.365
A situation like that?

1801
01:21:08.525 --> 01:21:11.165
I, I would like to work with the homeowners. Mm-hmm.

1802
01:21:11.245 --> 01:21:13.725
And I mean that's, that's just kind of a catchall

1803
01:21:14.065 --> 01:21:17.045
and I understand why they would want to fill that area in.

1804
01:21:17.845 --> 01:21:19.865
Uh, I think I understand why

1805
01:21:21.985 --> 01:21:24.035
they want the second one approved too.

1806
01:21:24.175 --> 01:21:25.595
And I'm not in agreement with it,

1807
01:21:25.615 --> 01:21:27.235
so I don't want to approve that one.

1808
01:21:29.415 --> 01:21:31.395
And is there any precedent anywhere else

1809
01:21:31.935 --> 01:21:33.635
for such a large Well

1810
01:21:33.635 --> 01:21:34.635
That's what they're going to look at.

1811
01:21:34.725 --> 01:21:35.955
Large extension like that.

1812
01:21:36.025 --> 01:21:37.675
Yeah. They, they're gonna look at other areas

1813
01:21:37.815 --> 01:21:40.395
and what's been done with some of the requests there

1814
01:21:40.575 --> 01:21:44.515
and then come back, uh mm-hmm.

1815
01:21:44.745 --> 01:21:48.715
Next month put it back on or what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1816
01:21:48.745 --> 01:21:51.275
Shannon? I don't know of any, I mean it face, I was

1817
01:21:51.275 --> 01:21:52.555
around long enough to see these

1818
01:21:52.935 --> 01:21:54.355
and all these petitions for these white,

1819
01:21:54.395 --> 01:21:57.555
I don't think there's anything showing that

1820
01:21:58.455 --> 01:22:02.115
in a courtyard villa with that extra drive, that line only,

1821
01:22:02.305 --> 01:22:03.395
only as you would say,

1822
01:22:03.575 --> 01:22:07.235
the little fill area up there on the design.

1823
01:22:07.235 --> 01:22:09.195
That's the only thing I've ever seen. Alright.

1824
01:22:09.255 --> 01:22:11.635
So let's table this until the

1825
01:22:12.545 --> 01:22:15.235
Till May management can do more research

1826
01:22:15.495 --> 01:22:17.675
and bring more information back to us.

1827
01:22:17.905 --> 01:22:19.595
Yeah. Agreed. Okay.

1828
01:22:20.125 --> 01:22:21.795
Thank you. Board. Thank you.

1829
01:22:22.285 --> 01:22:25.995
Thank you. Informational items only

1830
01:22:26.355 --> 01:22:27.675
DPM monthly report.

1831
01:22:29.055 --> 01:22:31.715
Had a chance to review that. Have any questions, comments,

1832
01:22:37.975 --> 01:22:40.355
moving on to financial statements,

1833
01:22:43.615 --> 01:22:45.635
any questions, comments on that?

1834
01:22:46.305 --> 01:22:47.755
Nope. We've got the annual

1835
01:22:51.875 --> 01:22:54.315
district organization organizational chart.

1836
01:22:54.945 --> 01:22:56.995
Everybody figure out where you were in that.

1837
01:22:58.895 --> 01:23:02.315
We know how we rate, We hold a little

1838
01:23:02.315 --> 01:23:03.475
caboose down there somewhere.

1839
01:23:05.225 --> 01:23:07.885
Uh, Mr. Chairman, that primarily, uh,

1840
01:23:08.085 --> 01:23:12.205
reflects the onboarding of, uh, Mr. Boyle as the CFO

1841
01:23:12.745 --> 01:23:15.965
and the budget finance and purchasing divisions oper

1842
01:23:15.985 --> 01:23:17.645
or, uh, reporting directly to him.

1843
01:23:21.195 --> 01:23:24.885
Okay. Uh,

1844
01:23:25.875 --> 01:23:28.005
deep compliance and architectural review.

1845
01:23:28.235 --> 01:23:32.605
Semi-annual fiscal year 2000, uh, 24, 25. Statistics.

1846
01:23:39.105 --> 01:23:40.445
Any pricing or comments there?

1847
01:23:40.905 --> 01:23:42.565
Uh, the only comment I have is, um,

1848
01:23:42.645 --> 01:23:43.845
I studied this quite a bit

1849
01:23:43.985 --> 01:23:48.165
and it does appear that our district residents continue

1850
01:23:48.225 --> 01:23:51.165
to prefer anonymous reporting.

1851
01:23:55.825 --> 01:23:57.365
One other comment, and I know Shannon,

1852
01:23:57.525 --> 01:23:59.485
I know whether you're doing a presentation,

1853
01:24:00.245 --> 01:24:01.325
'cause remember I had pointed out

1854
01:24:01.325 --> 01:24:03.725
before, there's a couple things that we need to correct

1855
01:24:04.385 --> 01:24:07.085
in the manual that are, yeah.

1856
01:24:07.225 --> 01:24:09.285
One is, has to do with the courtyard fill of roofs.

1857
01:24:09.825 --> 01:24:13.245
Um, and the other has to do with addressing the metal roof.

1858
01:24:13.385 --> 01:24:16.245
The, the vague statement about metal roofs or whatever.

1859
01:24:16.425 --> 01:24:18.965
So some that's gonna have to be updated at some point.

1860
01:24:21.865 --> 01:24:22.885
You remember that, Brittany?

1861
01:24:24.465 --> 01:24:26.365
So I believe this may have been a topic

1862
01:24:26.365 --> 01:24:28.205
that was discussed offline, um,

1863
01:24:28.205 --> 01:24:30.205
during the supervisor orientation.

1864
01:24:30.285 --> 01:24:32.885
I know it's come up at a RC previously. Mm-hmm.

1865
01:24:33.065 --> 01:24:35.165
Um, but it's, it's certainly something that

1866
01:24:35.315 --> 01:24:36.645
that staff is reviewing

1867
01:24:36.705 --> 01:24:39.045
and Ms. Boyd can provide additional information,

1868
01:24:39.145 --> 01:24:41.205
but it does, there are some

1869
01:24:42.915 --> 01:24:45.125
differing restrictions throughout the community

1870
01:24:45.225 --> 01:24:47.325
and how that would be applied in the standards.

1871
01:24:50.635 --> 01:24:51.965
Well, one of 'em just has to be taken.

1872
01:24:52.135 --> 01:24:53.925
Words have to be taken out of the manual

1873
01:24:54.085 --> 01:24:55.645
'cause they don't apply in District 10.

1874
01:24:58.025 --> 01:25:00.325
And which was that? Mark? Remember it has to do

1875
01:25:00.325 --> 01:25:02.885
with the courtyard roofs in terms of the matching colors.

1876
01:25:02.885 --> 01:25:06.205
There are no matching courtyard complexes in District 10.

1877
01:25:06.345 --> 01:25:08.325
So that verbiage does not belong in the

1878
01:25:08.325 --> 01:25:09.485
manual for District 10.

1879
01:25:11.505 --> 01:25:13.525
Uh, Shannon Boyd Community standards, uh,

1880
01:25:13.525 --> 01:25:14.725
staff is working on that.

1881
01:25:15.025 --> 01:25:16.125
We are trying to get,

1882
01:25:16.235 --> 01:25:18.005
because of those changes need to be made,

1883
01:25:18.005 --> 01:25:22.005
but we're also looking into other, um, roofing issues.

1884
01:25:22.465 --> 01:25:24.285
Um, so we want to bring that together

1885
01:25:24.305 --> 01:25:25.645
as a whole back to the board.

1886
01:25:25.665 --> 01:25:27.405
So we are staff is currently working on that.

1887
01:25:28.275 --> 01:25:29.485
Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

1888
01:25:30.925 --> 01:25:35.205
I do notice that we are having an uptick in our public

1889
01:25:35.245 --> 01:25:39.445
hearings for this district, more so than in previous years.

1890
01:25:39.665 --> 01:25:42.365
Uh, that's not a sign

1891
01:25:42.385 --> 01:25:45.045
of things to come.

1892
01:25:45.665 --> 01:25:50.605
Um, but the rest of it seems to be in order.

1893
01:25:50.945 --> 01:25:55.625
Uh, I I'm constantly getting corralled

1894
01:25:55.645 --> 01:26:00.225
by different people over the anonymous complaint system

1895
01:26:00.445 --> 01:26:03.245
and need to get rid of it and this, that and the other.

1896
01:26:03.245 --> 01:26:05.005
Okay. And yet when I sit down

1897
01:26:05.005 --> 01:26:08.165
and talk to him, uh, the, the latest one

1898
01:26:08.165 --> 01:26:09.685
that I had was a gentleman

1899
01:26:09.685 --> 01:26:11.685
that had a complaint filed against him.

1900
01:26:12.865 --> 01:26:17.205
Uh, some kind of signage he had in his window that was

1901
01:26:18.425 --> 01:26:21.925
not allowed, was not a sale sign per se or whatever.

1902
01:26:22.145 --> 01:26:25.005
And he was contacted

1903
01:26:25.145 --> 01:26:27.205
and told that he had to remove it.

1904
01:26:27.305 --> 01:26:29.285
He did. So, uh,

1905
01:26:29.945 --> 01:26:34.685
and then he got a second follow up letter down the line,

1906
01:26:34.865 --> 01:26:36.245
and then he got a third letter

1907
01:26:37.025 --> 01:26:39.085
and he's going, Hey, what's going on?

1908
01:26:39.205 --> 01:26:41.045
I mean, I've already, I took it down as soon

1909
01:26:41.045 --> 01:26:42.445
as I got the first letter or whatever,

1910
01:26:42.465 --> 01:26:44.685
and I explained to him that, yes,

1911
01:26:44.825 --> 01:26:48.925
but it's your responsibility to notify community standards

1912
01:26:49.465 --> 01:26:52.205
so that they can come out and sign off on it.

1913
01:26:52.715 --> 01:26:54.765
Take it off. He said, oh, well I didn't read that part.

1914
01:26:54.845 --> 01:26:57.525
I didn't know that. So he thought he had,

1915
01:26:57.525 --> 01:27:00.245
had three different anonymous complaints filed against you,

1916
01:27:01.705 --> 01:27:04.125
and you've always got the little old

1917
01:27:04.125 --> 01:27:05.205
ladies in the golf cart.

1918
01:27:05.305 --> 01:27:09.845
And I see we've got one person

1919
01:27:10.435 --> 01:27:14.525
that has filed six or more complaints and that's it.

1920
01:27:14.665 --> 01:27:17.325
So I, I don't, I still don't think we have the little old

1921
01:27:17.325 --> 01:27:19.085
ladies in district in, so,

1922
01:27:19.915 --> 01:27:20.915
Yeah. I'm wondering if

1923
01:27:20.915 --> 01:27:24.205
the, um, in increase in the public hearing,

1924
01:27:25.185 --> 01:27:27.405
public hearing complaints has to do

1925
01:27:27.405 --> 01:27:30.965
with second ownership now know people to some extent.

1926
01:27:30.965 --> 01:27:32.845
Yeah, because we've heard a lot of cases turnover where

1927
01:27:32.845 --> 01:27:35.125
that, you know, they, they were not the first owner,

1928
01:27:35.505 --> 01:27:36.645
now they're the second owner.

1929
01:27:36.865 --> 01:27:40.845
And it wasn't clear, it wasn't you approved,

1930
01:27:43.305 --> 01:27:45.245
But Mark, you could probably fill this in.

1931
01:27:45.465 --> 01:27:47.925
Are we running equal to above

1932
01:27:47.945 --> 01:27:49.845
or below the, the average on districts

1933
01:27:49.845 --> 01:27:51.005
when it comes to public hearings?

1934
01:27:51.725 --> 01:27:53.725
I think that's more of a community standards question,

1935
01:27:53.785 --> 01:27:57.565
but I mean, I'm not seeing much other than the two FHA cases

1936
01:27:57.595 --> 01:27:59.005
that you've had the past two months.

1937
01:27:59.005 --> 01:28:02.205
Yeah, I haven't. I'm sure there's other issues with other,

1938
01:28:02.455 --> 01:28:04.885
other districts just depending on, you know,

1939
01:28:05.585 --> 01:28:08.165
you got an older community, people sometimes pass away

1940
01:28:08.165 --> 01:28:10.205
or they going, you're going to have this kind of stuff that,

1941
01:28:10.225 --> 01:28:12.605
you know, of course we had the situation with groups

1942
01:28:13.025 --> 01:28:14.285
and they couldn't get the roofers

1943
01:28:14.345 --> 01:28:16.125
and they're fighting with the insurance companies.

1944
01:28:16.125 --> 01:28:18.445
So other than that, I, I don't see anything

1945
01:28:18.445 --> 01:28:19.925
that's jumping out at this point.

1946
01:28:21.385 --> 01:28:23.845
No. As you mentioned, there's quite, there's variables

1947
01:28:23.845 --> 01:28:27.085
that affect the cases in different districts, so it's hard

1948
01:28:27.085 --> 01:28:28.205
to target that.

1949
01:28:28.205 --> 01:28:29.365
It's just one area.

1950
01:28:33.625 --> 01:28:35.245
Any other questions, comments on that?

1951
01:28:35.545 --> 01:28:39.965
And then we'll move on to public hearing update,

1952
01:28:40.655 --> 01:28:45.205
which I think we've still just got one item still out there.

1953
01:28:46.075 --> 01:28:48.965
Yeah, that one. Uh, lawsuit's being filed on the, uh,

1954
01:28:49.065 --> 01:28:50.085
Maston property.

1955
01:28:54.665 --> 01:28:57.645
Moving on to district manager reports.

1956
01:28:58.665 --> 01:29:00.045
Yes. Good afternoon board members.

1957
01:29:00.465 --> 01:29:03.445
Uh, the first first item is we did send out, uh,

1958
01:29:03.505 --> 01:29:06.365
the 2024 annual report to all board members.

1959
01:29:06.425 --> 01:29:08.725
So we hope you've had an opportunity to review that.

1960
01:29:09.265 --> 01:29:12.845
Um, that was our chance to highlight, um, all the activities

1961
01:29:12.845 --> 01:29:14.205
of the individual boards

1962
01:29:14.225 --> 01:29:15.165
and all of the individual

1963
01:29:15.165 --> 01:29:16.965
departments, uh, with your support.

1964
01:29:17.705 --> 01:29:19.565
Um, so we will get that printed

1965
01:29:19.905 --> 01:29:21.285
and the printed copies to you,

1966
01:29:21.345 --> 01:29:23.885
but it is available electronically right now. That

1967
01:29:23.885 --> 01:29:26.405
Was my question after I go about getting a printed copy.

1968
01:29:26.635 --> 01:29:27.685
Yeah, that was my question.

1969
01:29:27.705 --> 01:29:29.165
How do I go about getting a printed copy?

1970
01:29:29.505 --> 01:29:31.525
We are, we are working on that paperwork at home.

1971
01:29:32.105 --> 01:29:33.805
We just wanted to ensure when we sent it out

1972
01:29:33.875 --> 01:29:37.565
that there were no, uh, items that needed

1973
01:29:37.765 --> 01:29:39.005
to be immediately addressed.

1974
01:29:39.385 --> 01:29:42.365
Um, but we'll, we'll get the printed copies to you. Okay,

1975
01:29:42.455 --> 01:29:43.455
Thank you.

1976
01:29:43.705 --> 01:29:46.565
Um, the next item is the CCO update.

1977
01:29:47.025 --> 01:29:49.925
So yesterday you did receive an email, um,

1978
01:29:49.925 --> 01:29:52.285
that contained the letters that CCO

1979
01:29:52.525 --> 01:29:53.605
provided to us, um,

1980
01:29:53.605 --> 01:29:58.125
regarding your rate structure effective October 1st, 2025.

1981
01:29:58.625 --> 01:30:03.525
Um, so as you'll recall, right now you're paying 50%

1982
01:30:03.545 --> 01:30:06.965
of the original proposed increase that cco, um,

1983
01:30:09.395 --> 01:30:11.155
imposed for pole rental fees.

1984
01:30:11.695 --> 01:30:13.515
So the original notifications

1985
01:30:14.295 --> 01:30:17.475
and the original, um, dollar amounts were just

1986
01:30:17.495 --> 01:30:18.595
for pole rental fees

1987
01:30:18.625 --> 01:30:21.635
that did not include your electricity expenses.

1988
01:30:23.175 --> 01:30:25.155
The notification that you just received

1989
01:30:25.715 --> 01:30:27.675
includes both your pole rental

1990
01:30:27.935 --> 01:30:30.795
and your electricity fees combined as one lie item

1991
01:30:30.935 --> 01:30:34.755
and totaled, um, we did request that that be broken out.

1992
01:30:35.015 --> 01:30:38.195
Um, but at this point we received communication back that

1993
01:30:39.065 --> 01:30:40.475
that is the number that's being

1994
01:30:40.795 --> 01:30:43.675
provided to all customers from cco.

1995
01:30:45.015 --> 01:30:47.675
Um, but it is a, ultimately a reduction,

1996
01:30:47.675 --> 01:30:49.715
but it's a reduction to your proposed increase

1997
01:30:50.385 --> 01:30:53.315
that will be in effect October 1st, 2025.

1998
01:30:53.655 --> 01:30:56.715
So this is a reduction to the 600% correct.

1999
01:30:57.055 --> 01:31:00.115
Not a reduction to the 300%? Correct. Okay.

2000
01:31:00.695 --> 01:31:04.715
So it's still a marked increase. Yes.

2001
01:31:05.415 --> 01:31:06.955
And we have to report the outages.

2002
01:31:06.955 --> 01:31:08.235
They're not gonna be checking as well.

2003
01:31:08.695 --> 01:31:09.835
Yes. Some of the items

2004
01:31:09.945 --> 01:31:13.275
that were taken into consideration were they conducted a

2005
01:31:13.275 --> 01:31:16.155
rate study, um, or a cost of service study.

2006
01:31:16.865 --> 01:31:19.675
They, they looked at their response times

2007
01:31:19.935 --> 01:31:23.315
and adjusted those from 24 hours to seven to 30 days

2008
01:31:23.335 --> 01:31:25.995
and indicated that that is typical industry standard.

2009
01:31:26.815 --> 01:31:30.275
Um, they looked at their evening rovers

2010
01:31:30.275 --> 01:31:33.075
that they had looking for light outages, um,

2011
01:31:33.095 --> 01:31:36.235
and then also the way that they would be, um,

2012
01:31:36.425 --> 01:31:39.235
replacing poles on an add as needed basis.

2013
01:31:39.935 --> 01:31:41.955
Um, so those were some of the circumstances

2014
01:31:41.985 --> 01:31:45.915
that were taken into consideration, um, to adjust the rates.

2015
01:31:46.615 --> 01:31:48.435
Um, and included at the bottom of

2016
01:31:48.435 --> 01:31:51.315
that communication is also the teams meeting

2017
01:31:51.465 --> 01:31:52.555
that they committed to.

2018
01:31:53.295 --> 01:31:56.435
So, um, those are the credentials to join virtually.

2019
01:31:56.695 --> 01:31:59.035
And that will be an opportunity, um,

2020
01:31:59.265 --> 01:32:01.645
for all board supervisors from every district

2021
01:32:01.645 --> 01:32:02.805
that this applies to.

2022
01:32:03.465 --> 01:32:07.325
Um, to ask any questions and receive the updates from cco.

2023
01:32:08.345 --> 01:32:12.205
My big question was the fixture offering issue, they,

2024
01:32:12.205 --> 01:32:13.845
they were saying broad range of fixture types

2025
01:32:13.845 --> 01:32:15.365
to a limited fixture type.

2026
01:32:16.145 --> 01:32:19.155
Does that mean that they will potentially replace fixtures

2027
01:32:19.175 --> 01:32:20.475
in the villages with something

2028
01:32:20.475 --> 01:32:22.595
that is not already the standard that's there?

2029
01:32:23.495 --> 01:32:25.675
Are we gonna have a hodgepodge stuff?

2030
01:32:25.775 --> 01:32:30.355
You know, if a pole in a premier neighborhood has

2031
01:32:30.355 --> 01:32:31.835
to be replaced, is it gonna be replaced

2032
01:32:31.835 --> 01:32:33.755
with something other than what is already there?

2033
01:32:34.695 --> 01:32:37.475
So that's yet to be seen.

2034
01:32:37.655 --> 01:32:40.035
We, we need to see what that looks like from them.

2035
01:32:40.275 --> 01:32:41.955
'cause this is the, the, the communication

2036
01:32:41.955 --> 01:32:43.235
that has just come out,

2037
01:32:43.235 --> 01:32:44.795
we don't have any additional details.

2038
01:32:45.375 --> 01:32:47.115
Um, but that's certainly something that,

2039
01:32:47.265 --> 01:32:48.955
that we'll follow up with them. That

2040
01:32:48.955 --> 01:32:49.995
Was one of my concerns too,

2041
01:32:49.995 --> 01:32:52.715
because I mean, obviously you cannot take the light bulbs

2042
01:32:53.065 --> 01:32:55.595
that are being used in something landing

2043
01:32:56.295 --> 01:32:59.395
and bring them to Brownwood and expect them to patch.

2044
01:32:59.425 --> 01:33:04.365
Correct. So, um, I wasn't pleased

2045
01:33:04.635 --> 01:33:07.725
with the change from 24 hours to seven to 30 days.

2046
01:33:07.925 --> 01:33:09.045
I think that's quite a stretch.

2047
01:33:10.145 --> 01:33:14.525
Um, I understand the outage identification.

2048
01:33:15.085 --> 01:33:19.445
I I can understand, um, you know,

2049
01:33:20.345 --> 01:33:24.165
riding around there, there's other ways

2050
01:33:24.195 --> 01:33:25.245
that we can have people,

2051
01:33:25.305 --> 01:33:26.605
and I guess we are gonna have

2052
01:33:26.605 --> 01:33:28.325
to educate some of our residents.

2053
01:33:28.465 --> 01:33:31.925
Um, you see a lights out here who you call, here's

2054
01:33:31.925 --> 01:33:33.165
who you report it to, and,

2055
01:33:33.425 --> 01:33:35.965
But I think community watches doing part community watch,

2056
01:33:36.715 --> 01:33:38.245
certainly we could, we're happy

2057
01:33:38.265 --> 01:33:39.445
to partner with them to do that.

2058
01:33:39.965 --> 01:33:42.365
I think residents are gonna be the first ones to say, Hey,

2059
01:33:42.365 --> 01:33:43.485
my light's out here.

2060
01:33:43.585 --> 01:33:45.405
And, and by the way, there's a light right out front

2061
01:33:45.585 --> 01:33:48.205
that's the poles down laying on the ground today.

2062
01:33:48.625 --> 01:33:49.625
Yes.

2063
01:33:49.995 --> 01:33:52.045
Yeah. Yes. I I saw that on the way in.

2064
01:33:53.345 --> 01:33:56.205
Um, You're gonna look at it for the next 30 days, Jack,

2065
01:33:58.465 --> 01:34:00.285
see if there's the next meeting. Yeah,

2066
01:34:00.325 --> 01:34:01.365
I, I agree with Jack.

2067
01:34:01.565 --> 01:34:04.605
I mean, can we get them seco to clarify the seven

2068
01:34:04.625 --> 01:34:07.045
to 30 days, that means that they will respond

2069
01:34:07.045 --> 01:34:10.685
to an outage maybe a month after the electricity goes out?

2070
01:34:11.305 --> 01:34:13.285
No, no. We're talking about light. What does it mean?

2071
01:34:14.635 --> 01:34:17.045
They're talking about light lampposts. Light.

2072
01:34:17.055 --> 01:34:18.365
Light fixtures. Light bulbs. Yes.

2073
01:34:18.385 --> 01:34:20.245
Oh, oh, okay. Oh, all right. Alright.

2074
01:34:20.595 --> 01:34:23.085
Yeah, hopefully we don't have a rash

2075
01:34:23.105 --> 01:34:24.885
of bulb going all at the same time.

2076
01:34:25.105 --> 01:34:26.285
So you have a whole dark area.

2077
01:34:26.335 --> 01:34:28.605
Right. But I think they would probably respond

2078
01:34:28.605 --> 01:34:31.045
to something to say, Hey, we got three late, you know, okay.

2079
01:34:31.075 --> 01:34:34.965
It's very to from X to X to Z. They'll probably respond.

2080
01:34:35.465 --> 01:34:36.805
I'm sure that will be a topic during

2081
01:34:36.805 --> 01:34:37.885
the teams meeting as well.

2082
01:34:37.885 --> 01:34:39.165
What that expectation is,

2083
01:34:40.355 --> 01:34:43.725
Anybody that wants to log in to that teams meeting

2084
01:34:43.865 --> 01:34:45.885
and at least hear what's going on.

2085
01:34:46.045 --> 01:34:48.005
I know Holly and I went to the last meeting,

2086
01:34:49.195 --> 01:34:50.365
Last meeting for

2087
01:34:51.315 --> 01:34:53.045
Several meetings. As a matter of fact,

2088
01:34:53.545 --> 01:34:54.445
We don't know, we don't know

2089
01:34:54.445 --> 01:34:55.565
what the date of that is, do we?

2090
01:34:56.945 --> 01:34:57.965
Um, Yes. It,

2091
01:34:58.105 --> 01:35:00.005
And I just wanna May 2nd at 3:00 PM

2092
01:35:00.835 --> 01:35:01.835
What is it? Yep,

2093
01:35:01.835 --> 01:35:03.405
May 2nd. 3:00 PM

2094
01:35:03.675 --> 01:35:04.675
Okay. And I just

2095
01:35:04.675 --> 01:35:06.885
wanna thank the district staff for advocating

2096
01:35:06.885 --> 01:35:08.485
for the villages because, uh,

2097
01:35:10.085 --> 01:35:13.765
probably they wouldn't have done anything to, uh, modify the

2098
01:35:14.475 --> 01:35:18.685
huge payment increase had the village just not wait in.

2099
01:35:19.105 --> 01:35:21.685
So thank you advocating for us.

2100
01:35:21.855 --> 01:35:23.205
Thank you that along.

2101
01:35:23.325 --> 01:35:24.845
I will not be available to attend that meeting.

2102
01:35:25.355 --> 01:35:27.365
Okay. It's May 2nd at 3:00 PM

2103
01:35:29.145 --> 01:35:31.525
I'm not, I'm pointing We're still getting an 8% increase.

2104
01:35:31.715 --> 01:35:35.165
Certainly a whole lot better than what it was, but, uh,

2105
01:35:35.805 --> 01:35:36.805
I wouldn't say a whole lot. Maybe

2106
01:35:36.805 --> 01:35:40.365
we, maybe we can do better. We're gonna try

2107
01:35:41.705 --> 01:35:43.285
Is that a Zoom meeting? What is it?

2108
01:35:43.715 --> 01:35:45.845
Yeah, it's Microsoft net meeting.

2109
01:35:46.105 --> 01:35:48.605
Oh, the information is on that letter that they sent out.

2110
01:35:48.665 --> 01:35:49.765
Oh, yeah. Okay. Yesterday.

2111
01:35:50.275 --> 01:35:52.845
Yeah, I read it With the, uh, meeting ID

2112
01:35:52.845 --> 01:35:54.045
and the password and everything.

2113
01:35:54.545 --> 01:35:59.005
So everyone should have that. Thank you.

2114
01:36:00.025 --> 01:36:03.405
All right. Jumbled up on that. I'm gonna

2115
01:36:03.405 --> 01:36:05.885
Be inundated with the next wave of company. It's

2116
01:36:05.885 --> 01:36:07.365
Not district council report.

2117
01:36:08.025 --> 01:36:13.005
No report. No report supervisor comments.

2118
01:36:14.065 --> 01:36:17.325
Mr. Mova is not going to be not here today

2119
01:36:17.545 --> 01:36:19.285
to report on project wide.

2120
01:36:19.545 --> 01:36:21.325
And we had a little bit of snafu

2121
01:36:21.325 --> 01:36:22.725
with project wide this month.

2122
01:36:23.385 --> 01:36:25.925
Uh, we were not represented at the last meeting.

2123
01:36:27.105 --> 01:36:32.045
We, we kind of lost the communication when we swapped over

2124
01:36:32.185 --> 01:36:35.085
to get Mark to take over as the alternate.

2125
01:36:36.965 --> 01:36:38.125
I got the notification

2126
01:36:38.305 --> 01:36:40.165
and thought, well, I'm not the alternate anymore,

2127
01:36:40.265 --> 01:36:41.365
so it doesn't apply to me.

2128
01:36:41.675 --> 01:36:43.125
Mark didn't get the notification,

2129
01:36:43.185 --> 01:36:45.685
so he didn't know when the meeting was, so, uh,

2130
01:36:46.305 --> 01:36:49.125
did not look like there was that much, uh,

2131
01:36:49.945 --> 01:36:51.645
new information that went on.

2132
01:36:52.745 --> 01:36:54.765
Uh, let's see. They went over,

2133
01:36:56.515 --> 01:36:58.125
Yeah, the main thing was those, uh,

2134
01:36:58.525 --> 01:37:00.165
pavement reflective markers.

2135
01:37:02.385 --> 01:37:03.725
What's going on with, do you,

2136
01:37:03.725 --> 01:37:05.205
do you have any input on that, Brittany?

2137
01:37:06.145 --> 01:37:08.085
Yes. So there was discussion, um,

2138
01:37:08.155 --> 01:37:10.685
regarding the installation of RPMs

2139
01:37:10.705 --> 01:37:12.485
and if project wide advisory committee

2140
01:37:12.485 --> 01:37:15.085
through the Project wide fund would consider funding

2141
01:37:15.115 --> 01:37:18.725
that initiative, um, for all districts, um,

2142
01:37:18.725 --> 01:37:22.365
it ultimately landed that, um, project wide is going to have

2143
01:37:23.285 --> 01:37:24.485
a revised study done.

2144
01:37:24.905 --> 01:37:27.365
Um, you know, from the 2015 study

2145
01:37:27.365 --> 01:37:30.845
that addressed center line striping to look at RPMs.

2146
01:37:31.345 --> 01:37:36.055
Um, we expect that to be, um, back on the agenda, um,

2147
01:37:36.155 --> 01:37:39.695
for the next meeting and an opportunity for board

2148
01:37:39.695 --> 01:37:43.895
that we're still, um, had not come

2149
01:37:43.975 --> 01:37:45.335
to a formal conclusion on whether

2150
01:37:45.335 --> 01:37:46.615
or not they wanted to support it.

2151
01:37:47.115 --> 01:37:49.695
Um, so they can have that information available for them.

2152
01:37:50.605 --> 01:37:55.445
Okay. Adding to that, uh,

2153
01:37:55.745 --> 01:37:57.405
and this is something that we need

2154
01:37:57.405 --> 01:37:59.885
to decide whether we wanna bring back up

2155
01:37:59.885 --> 01:38:01.685
and put back on our agenda again.

2156
01:38:02.705 --> 01:38:07.685
Um, I received an email earlier today from

2157
01:38:07.765 --> 01:38:12.525
a resident of Interim Dells actually, um,

2158
01:38:13.635 --> 01:38:17.925
that was, uh, basically in response to District Five's

2159
01:38:18.805 --> 01:38:22.765
position that they have decided to go ahead

2160
01:38:22.995 --> 01:38:26.085
with the RPMs or at least continuing research

2161
01:38:26.085 --> 01:38:27.365
and doing it on their own.

2162
01:38:28.665 --> 01:38:32.565
Um, we, I had been contacted last month,

2163
01:38:32.725 --> 01:38:35.205
I believe it is, by their chairman.

2164
01:38:36.305 --> 01:38:41.085
Uh, and he was trying to get a consensus for at least a, uh,

2165
01:38:43.405 --> 01:38:48.165
majority of districts that wanted DAC to look into doing it.

2166
01:38:49.625 --> 01:38:53.885
Uh, unfortunately he did not get a majority.

2167
01:38:54.505 --> 01:38:57.405
Uh, he had contacted me originally

2168
01:38:57.465 --> 01:38:59.965
and it was like five, yes, five no,

2169
01:39:00.065 --> 01:39:03.325
and District 10 was gonna be the deciding vote.

2170
01:39:03.345 --> 01:39:05.565
And I told him, we have already discussed that

2171
01:39:05.585 --> 01:39:09.405
and our position is at this time we are not in favor

2172
01:39:09.505 --> 01:39:11.125
of doing anything more.

2173
01:39:12.705 --> 01:39:14.685
So that's when they decided to go it on their own.

2174
01:39:15.945 --> 01:39:20.485
Um, he presented it to me in such a way that, well,

2175
01:39:20.825 --> 01:39:22.365
but we're trying to get pwac to do it,

2176
01:39:22.365 --> 01:39:23.565
so it's not gonna cost you anything.

2177
01:39:25.055 --> 01:39:27.485
Where does PWA get their money from us?

2178
01:39:28.825 --> 01:39:30.685
And what's the opportunity cost of that money?

2179
01:39:30.835 --> 01:39:32.485
What else do you spending? It's hard up.

2180
01:39:32.555 --> 01:39:35.045
Keep them in control with the other expenses.

2181
01:39:35.385 --> 01:39:38.365
So, uh, but it's going to come up again.

2182
01:39:38.865 --> 01:39:42.525
Uh, that said, I got an email today from a gentleman

2183
01:39:42.555 --> 01:39:44.565
that you all got copies of

2184
01:39:45.985 --> 01:39:49.685
and, um, basically asking us

2185
01:39:50.115 --> 01:39:53.165
what our position is on the RPMs,

2186
01:39:54.465 --> 01:39:59.445
and uh, he also called me, just let the voicemail just

2187
01:39:59.445 --> 01:40:00.605
before I was coming to this meeting,

2188
01:40:00.665 --> 01:40:02.045
so I haven't called him back yet,

2189
01:40:02.045 --> 01:40:03.805
but I intend to call him back tonight.

2190
01:40:05.065 --> 01:40:08.965
Uh, right now our position has not changed.

2191
01:40:09.265 --> 01:40:12.045
I'm presenting it to you to say, is this something

2192
01:40:12.045 --> 01:40:14.405
that we want to put on the agenda

2193
01:40:14.465 --> 01:40:16.365
for the next meeting to discuss again?

2194
01:40:17.185 --> 01:40:19.285
Uh, has anyone changed their mind?

2195
01:40:19.315 --> 01:40:23.645
Have second thoughts, want to discuss it further? I'm open.

2196
01:40:25.385 --> 01:40:26.965
Uh, I'm the new kid on the block

2197
01:40:26.965 --> 01:40:28.165
and I'm not in favor of them.

2198
01:40:29.315 --> 01:40:30.885
Yeah, I'm not in favor of them.

2199
01:40:31.185 --> 01:40:33.925
I'm not in favor either. I think we are,

2200
01:40:34.445 --> 01:40:35.525
I don't know where Steve stands,

2201
01:40:35.705 --> 01:40:37.565
but Steve's position, uh,

2202
01:40:37.825 --> 01:40:41.805
the last time we discussed it is he is in favor of RPMs.

2203
01:40:41.845 --> 01:40:45.245
However he wants, like we all do everything

2204
01:40:45.265 --> 01:40:47.445
to be consistent throughout the district.

2205
01:40:48.665 --> 01:40:53.165
Not a hodgepodge, not striping here, some RPMs here,

2206
01:40:53.275 --> 01:40:55.085
some not here, this, that, and the other.

2207
01:40:55.625 --> 01:40:59.565
And if it's not going to be unified, then we're good

2208
01:40:59.565 --> 01:41:01.565
before we got it.

2209
01:41:01.625 --> 01:41:04.165
It, it was not something, well obviously it was on my radar

2210
01:41:04.295 --> 01:41:05.925
until this situation came up

2211
01:41:06.305 --> 01:41:08.565
and I hadn't driven off throughout the whole villages,

2212
01:41:08.625 --> 01:41:12.405
but I, I made a particular note to pay attention

2213
01:41:12.405 --> 01:41:14.605
because of what that much time in the golf

2214
01:41:14.605 --> 01:41:16.485
cart here to this meeting.

2215
01:41:17.405 --> 01:41:18.645
I don't see where they're needed.

2216
01:41:18.915 --> 01:41:22.045
They're on the curves, they're in the tunnels,

2217
01:41:22.275 --> 01:41:23.485
they're down the ramps.

2218
01:41:23.595 --> 01:41:26.005
They're, they're, they are, they exist

2219
01:41:26.005 --> 01:41:27.165
where they need to exist.

2220
01:41:27.645 --> 01:41:30.885
Anything else is just, I would say

2221
01:41:30.885 --> 01:41:32.205
to me unnecessary overkill.

2222
01:41:32.525 --> 01:41:34.445
I, I would say, I think it is safe for you

2223
01:41:34.465 --> 01:41:35.485
to tell the individual

2224
01:41:35.635 --> 01:41:40.085
that District 10 does not this time support having RRP m on.

2225
01:41:41.275 --> 01:41:43.605
What I would like for you to do is each one

2226
01:41:43.605 --> 01:41:46.205
of you make sure everybody was sent that email,

2227
01:41:46.545 --> 01:41:48.445
so it the end your district email box.

2228
01:41:48.545 --> 01:41:50.325
Was that today? Today, this morning.

2229
01:41:52.265 --> 01:41:54.885
Um, please read it, review it.

2230
01:41:55.585 --> 01:41:59.885
If you have any comments, do not share 'em individually

2231
01:41:59.885 --> 01:42:03.125
because of the rules

2232
01:42:03.145 --> 01:42:06.925
and regulations that we have as far as Sunshine Laws,

2233
01:42:07.265 --> 01:42:10.805
but, uh, I will call him tonight

2234
01:42:10.945 --> 01:42:14.045
and say as of right now, we have not changed our position.

2235
01:42:14.265 --> 01:42:17.645
My position is that we feel like

2236
01:42:17.645 --> 01:42:20.725
what has been done previously is sufficient.

2237
01:42:22.385 --> 01:42:23.725
Is that the email you told me about?

2238
01:42:24.795 --> 01:42:28.535
Yes. Yes. You, I you to forward it. Yeah.

2239
01:42:28.675 --> 01:42:31.855
For whatever reason they have not gotten a

2240
01:42:31.855 --> 01:42:33.015
copy of it, which they

2241
01:42:33.215 --> 01:42:34.215
Normally do. Yeah. And from

2242
01:42:34.215 --> 01:42:36.055
Mark's benefit, we mentioned this last,

2243
01:42:36.055 --> 01:42:39.815
but you were just onboarding, um, when an email comes

2244
01:42:39.815 --> 01:42:44.295
to the entire board, um, don't respond to it individually.

2245
01:42:44.805 --> 01:42:47.375
I'll handle it and get it to the right.

2246
01:42:47.885 --> 01:42:49.015
Okay. District staff,

2247
01:42:49.395 --> 01:42:51.655
At least the way he can, he can respond or whatever.

2248
01:42:51.885 --> 01:42:53.255
Yeah, you've got four of the five

2249
01:42:53.515 --> 01:42:55.055
and it's unanimous at this point.

2250
01:42:57.465 --> 01:42:59.605
If you read the letter, change your mind,

2251
01:42:59.605 --> 01:43:02.085
have any questions, comments, wanna bring it back up,

2252
01:43:02.305 --> 01:43:04.485
we can put it on the agenda for next month.

2253
01:43:04.905 --> 01:43:05.965
But for right now,

2254
01:43:06.745 --> 01:43:07.745
No. I'm still against

2255
01:43:07.745 --> 01:43:08.525
it. Yep.

2256
01:43:08.645 --> 01:43:11.765
I mean as far as I'm concerned, we'll sit back and watch

2257
01:43:11.785 --> 01:43:13.445
and see what District five does

2258
01:43:13.625 --> 01:43:16.525
and there's something different that we want

2259
01:43:16.525 --> 01:43:17.805
to look at down the road.

2260
01:43:17.825 --> 01:43:19.525
We can look at it down the road. Yeah.

2261
01:43:22.625 --> 01:43:25.725
All right. Uh, other than that,

2262
01:43:26.365 --> 01:43:29.645
I believe there wasn't much else on the, uh,

2263
01:43:31.795 --> 01:43:33.925
project wide advisory committee meeting.

2264
01:43:34.345 --> 01:43:38.165
Uh, we have straightened out the communications, so Mark,

2265
01:43:38.165 --> 01:43:40.045
you'll be getting copies.

2266
01:43:41.165 --> 01:43:43.325
I apologize what all the meetings and everything are.

2267
01:43:44.785 --> 01:43:49.005
Um, folks, I believe that pretty well covers it.

2268
01:43:50.865 --> 01:43:55.205
Any other supervisor comments? I have none.

2269
01:43:55.745 --> 01:43:57.285
Yes ma'am. Nope. Nope.

2270
01:44:02.185 --> 01:44:05.765
In that case, we will entertain a motion to adjourn.

2271
01:44:06.805 --> 01:44:08.805
I move that we adjourn today's meeting.

2272
01:44:09.635 --> 01:44:12.725
I'll second that motion. Do we have second? All in favor?

2273
01:44:13.465 --> 01:44:13.685
Aye.