WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.095 --> 00:00:01.685 Order, please rise. 2 00:00:02.715 --> 00:00:06.005 Roll call. Well, first roll call Supervisor that attended 3 00:00:11.745 --> 00:00:13.045 United States of America. 4 00:00:15.945 --> 00:00:18.445 One individual. 5 00:00:26.425 --> 00:00:27.425 Thank you. 6 00:00:32.365 --> 00:00:35.135 Welcome to August District 12, supervisor meeting. 7 00:00:36.035 --> 00:00:38.135 Please make sure your phones are on silent. 8 00:00:39.035 --> 00:00:41.575 If there's anything on the, that's not on the agenda 9 00:00:41.685 --> 00:00:45.095 that you need to discuss, please come to the microphone. 10 00:00:45.095 --> 00:00:47.775 Please state your name and address please at this time. 11 00:00:55.165 --> 00:00:58.575 Good morning. My name's Barry s Spangler. 12 00:00:58.875 --> 00:01:02.495 My address is 51 24 Lawler Loop. 13 00:01:03.515 --> 00:01:07.655 I'm here about the reclaim water for our sprinkler system. 14 00:01:08.975 --> 00:01:12.615 I am presenting to you a whole house filter 15 00:01:12.765 --> 00:01:15.415 that I'm using now to try to 16 00:01:16.605 --> 00:01:19.735 keep my filters on the sprinkler heads clean. 17 00:01:20.755 --> 00:01:24.535 Um, this is an example of a three month, 18 00:01:26.355 --> 00:01:29.015 um, usage, uh, 19 00:01:29.015 --> 00:01:31.775 sprinkling twice a week for three months. 20 00:01:32.555 --> 00:01:33.975 Uh, I'll take it apart 21 00:01:33.995 --> 00:01:36.455 and present it to you, uh, in front 22 00:01:36.455 --> 00:01:37.895 of you if, if you would like. 23 00:01:38.675 --> 00:01:42.855 Um, this is, this has been a major problem when I came. 24 00:01:43.235 --> 00:01:44.575 I'm here six months a year. 25 00:01:45.325 --> 00:01:49.215 When I came back last year, my lawn was almost destroyed. 26 00:01:49.885 --> 00:01:53.755 Every one of my sprinkler heads was plugged to the point 27 00:01:53.755 --> 00:01:55.435 where it blew some pipes apart. 28 00:01:56.455 --> 00:02:00.635 Um, also, uh, the solenoid valves were sticking open 29 00:02:01.465 --> 00:02:05.515 because of the debris coming through the lines. 30 00:02:06.855 --> 00:02:09.875 Um, I then started researching 31 00:02:10.055 --> 00:02:13.355 and I'm, I know it's overkill in a way, 32 00:02:14.455 --> 00:02:18.195 but I put a whole house filter in towards the end 33 00:02:18.195 --> 00:02:20.155 of my season this last year. 34 00:02:21.175 --> 00:02:23.795 And, um, so I've been gone for three months 35 00:02:24.695 --> 00:02:27.915 and I flew back to check to see how bad this is. 36 00:02:28.695 --> 00:02:30.195 So this is what we're seeing now. 37 00:02:31.335 --> 00:02:36.035 Um, I am like paying an average 38 00:02:36.255 --> 00:02:40.275 or above average of $130 a month just 39 00:02:40.295 --> 00:02:41.915 for water for my lawn. 40 00:02:43.255 --> 00:02:44.835 And this is what I'm getting. 41 00:02:45.935 --> 00:02:49.835 So I'm not, obviously I'm not very happy. 42 00:02:50.235 --> 00:02:52.675 I know my neighbors are also in the same boat. 43 00:02:53.415 --> 00:02:56.475 Uh, we're, you know, some of us are hiring people 44 00:02:56.855 --> 00:03:01.045 to check our systems and drain our things. 45 00:03:01.555 --> 00:03:05.605 This one actually has a self-cleaning option. 46 00:03:06.385 --> 00:03:09.445 So every 15 days it will clean 47 00:03:09.545 --> 00:03:11.245 and spray out the bottom of this. 48 00:03:12.545 --> 00:03:14.485 Um, I don't know what else to do. 49 00:03:15.005 --> 00:03:19.085 I have been in contact with, um, Jacobs 50 00:03:19.185 --> 00:03:21.285 and the villages concerning this. 51 00:03:21.435 --> 00:03:26.395 They have, um, witnessed the first two cleanings of this. 52 00:03:27.735 --> 00:03:30.035 And, uh, they, they were filthy dirty. 53 00:03:31.095 --> 00:03:33.715 So I, I'm coming, coming to you 54 00:03:33.735 --> 00:03:37.315 and saying, we need, we need help as ne as neighborhood. 55 00:03:38.375 --> 00:03:41.315 Um, they are in the process of doing some stuff. 56 00:03:41.315 --> 00:03:42.755 They've been flushing my system. 57 00:03:43.495 --> 00:03:45.395 Uh, it has looked a little better, 58 00:03:46.095 --> 00:03:50.515 but you know, I I, I lived up in the Amelia area 59 00:03:50.775 --> 00:03:54.835 for 11 years and never touched my sprinkler system. 60 00:03:56.175 --> 00:03:59.155 So, uh, this is the pro, this is the problem. 61 00:04:00.075 --> 00:04:02.495 So anybody have a question to me? 62 00:04:03.815 --> 00:04:05.335 I do. I'm, I'm curious. 63 00:04:05.675 --> 00:04:09.055 So this is the, uh, non potable water system that goes 64 00:04:09.275 --> 00:04:10.295 to the outside? 65 00:04:10.365 --> 00:04:11.615 Correct. Okay. 66 00:04:11.615 --> 00:04:14.135 So that's has nothing to do with the inside of the home? 67 00:04:14.135 --> 00:04:15.495 Correct. Oh, okay. 68 00:04:15.555 --> 00:04:19.615 No, because I, I have a whole home service that my inside, 69 00:04:20.435 --> 00:04:21.695 uh, for inside. 70 00:04:21.795 --> 00:04:25.295 For inside. Yeah. This, this is like, 71 00:04:25.295 --> 00:04:29.695 when I called the company to actually help them figure out 72 00:04:29.695 --> 00:04:30.695 what I needed. 73 00:04:31.585 --> 00:04:34.515 They're going, we've never heard of 74 00:04:35.105 --> 00:04:36.475 anybody having to do this. 75 00:04:37.265 --> 00:04:38.395 This was Ice Spring. 76 00:04:38.775 --> 00:04:41.715 Uh, this is made by a company called Ice Spring. 77 00:04:43.055 --> 00:04:45.515 And, uh, they said, and, 78 00:04:45.515 --> 00:04:47.555 and they've been working with me as well. 79 00:04:48.415 --> 00:04:52.915 Um, this has, uh, 200 micron filter in it, 80 00:04:53.395 --> 00:04:55.255 so it filters down with 200 microns. 81 00:04:56.115 --> 00:04:59.135 So, so saying this particles will kind 82 00:04:59.135 --> 00:05:01.015 of get trapped in there, but then they 83 00:05:01.015 --> 00:05:02.295 should get flushed out the bottom. 84 00:05:02.725 --> 00:05:05.335 Okay. I, I, I, I haven't had a problem. 85 00:05:05.435 --> 00:05:07.335 My, I live here in Linden. Okay. 86 00:05:08.315 --> 00:05:11.575 Uh, six years, never had an issue 87 00:05:11.575 --> 00:05:14.495 with my lawn in the irrigation system. 88 00:05:14.555 --> 00:05:17.575 So I'm kind of curious, what would be unique about 89 00:05:17.575 --> 00:05:18.615 your situation? 90 00:05:18.685 --> 00:05:20.975 That it's not unique to ours? 91 00:05:22.575 --> 00:05:25.375 I mean, do you, do you, do you have a long service 92 00:05:25.595 --> 00:05:26.935 or you have a regular lawn service 93 00:05:26.995 --> 00:05:28.615 or maintenance for on your lawn? 94 00:05:29.355 --> 00:05:31.775 No. Uh, so, so mow 95 00:05:31.995 --> 00:05:36.135 and fertilize, fertilize, uh, put, uh, you know, chemicals 96 00:05:36.195 --> 00:05:38.175 and we control and that type of thing. 97 00:05:38.285 --> 00:05:40.415 Yeah. And they can't keep up with the we problem. 98 00:05:41.495 --> 00:05:42.975 I mean, every time they come back 99 00:05:43.795 --> 00:05:44.795 Up to the mic. Oh, 100 00:05:44.795 --> 00:05:47.175 I'm sorry. No, uh, the, 101 00:05:47.175 --> 00:05:49.295 the question was whether you had a, a, a service 102 00:05:49.475 --> 00:05:51.695 to take care of the, uh, of the yard, the lawn. 103 00:05:52.155 --> 00:05:54.055 And you say you do have a, a company 104 00:05:54.055 --> 00:05:55.535 that comes out on a regular basis 105 00:05:55.875 --> 00:05:59.005 and sprays, fertilizers, uh, wheat kill, air 106 00:05:59.805 --> 00:06:00.845 fertilizer, that type of thing. 107 00:06:01.025 --> 00:06:03.045 Yes. And, uh, over the summer, 108 00:06:03.365 --> 00:06:04.605 I guess you're gone during the summer. 109 00:06:05.545 --> 00:06:07.925 I'm sorry, You, you're gone during the summer? Yes, 110 00:06:08.065 --> 00:06:09.065 I'm gone Six months. Yeah. 111 00:06:09.065 --> 00:06:10.245 And, and you lost your yard 112 00:06:11.065 --> 00:06:12.885 and somebody told you that it was 113 00:06:12.885 --> 00:06:15.445 because of the problem with the, uh, irrigation, 114 00:06:15.665 --> 00:06:16.725 uh, water coming up? 115 00:06:17.315 --> 00:06:20.085 Well, when I, when I came back, that's, that's, I'm, 116 00:06:20.145 --> 00:06:22.445 I'm going, my irrigation was plugged up, 117 00:06:23.095 --> 00:06:26.435 so I wasn't watering, it wasn't getting the water it needed. 118 00:06:26.895 --> 00:06:31.355 So it was basically the grass is gonna die. Okay. You know? 119 00:06:31.465 --> 00:06:34.555 Yeah. You have the rain, but that wasn't enough for it. 120 00:06:35.175 --> 00:06:37.115 How many sources are there carry for, 121 00:06:37.815 --> 00:06:39.795 for the non potable water for irrigation? 122 00:06:40.735 --> 00:06:42.635 Um, I'd have to double check on this area. 123 00:06:42.745 --> 00:06:46.275 Typically, it is, um, both irrigation 124 00:06:46.535 --> 00:06:49.435 or, I'm sorry, both, um, storm runoff. 125 00:06:49.535 --> 00:06:51.355 And then there could be some areas 126 00:06:51.355 --> 00:06:53.715 that also have the reclaimed water. 127 00:06:54.255 --> 00:06:55.755 Um, I don't know off of the top 128 00:06:55.755 --> 00:06:57.355 of my head this specific area, 129 00:06:57.975 --> 00:07:00.595 but it sounds like you've been in communication with Jacob. 130 00:07:01.095 --> 00:07:04.675 Um, they are the utility provider that handles all of this. 131 00:07:05.135 --> 00:07:07.275 Um, I can have them reach back out 132 00:07:07.415 --> 00:07:08.915 and follow up with, with him 133 00:07:08.915 --> 00:07:11.195 and then we can get an update for the board. 134 00:07:11.575 --> 00:07:14.155 But this isn't something that would fall under your purview 135 00:07:14.155 --> 00:07:16.595 or that I would have staff here that can address it 136 00:07:16.705 --> 00:07:20.675 because this is a utility issue and not a district issue. 137 00:07:21.505 --> 00:07:24.755 Okay. I just, the comment of the lady, 138 00:07:25.995 --> 00:07:30.475 I have been communicating with Jacobs and they have come out 139 00:07:30.475 --> 00:07:34.035 and actually seen this, uh, he was gonna come out yesterday, 140 00:07:34.095 --> 00:07:35.315 but probably 'cause of the rain. 141 00:07:35.375 --> 00:07:37.315 He got tied up some other thing. 142 00:07:38.175 --> 00:07:43.115 And I am sending them photos of this, you know, 143 00:07:43.175 --> 00:07:45.475 in different stages, uh, of, of cleaning. 144 00:07:46.335 --> 00:07:49.075 Had they been responsive with you? 'cause they Oh, oh yes. 145 00:07:49.185 --> 00:07:50.235 Okay. Because they are, 146 00:07:50.895 --> 00:07:53.595 we contract all utilities through Jacobs. 147 00:07:53.895 --> 00:07:58.155 So even the utility, um, districts throughout the community, 148 00:07:58.575 --> 00:08:02.115 um, we don't have on staff on hand 149 00:08:02.115 --> 00:08:03.195 that deal with the utilities. 150 00:08:03.195 --> 00:08:04.875 That is all contracted through Jacobs. 151 00:08:04.875 --> 00:08:06.315 So we can follow up, 152 00:08:06.335 --> 00:08:08.635 but what we would do to follow up is contact Jacob. 153 00:08:09.535 --> 00:08:11.875 So if, if they're, as long as they're being responsive 154 00:08:11.875 --> 00:08:13.195 with you and working through the process, 155 00:08:13.815 --> 00:08:15.595 you are doing the right, the right thing. 156 00:08:16.935 --> 00:08:18.915 And, and I'll tell you what he told me yesterday. 157 00:08:18.925 --> 00:08:20.395 Their, their contract, uh, 158 00:08:20.395 --> 00:08:23.995 they're gonna put in a bigger valve to flush the system 159 00:08:24.295 --> 00:08:26.035 around our area. 160 00:08:27.665 --> 00:08:29.245 And the contract states 161 00:08:29.315 --> 00:08:31.245 that they only flush it twice a year. 162 00:08:33.225 --> 00:08:34.405 Is that gonna be enough? 163 00:08:36.015 --> 00:08:38.035 That's something I can help with and, and find out 164 00:08:38.035 --> 00:08:40.715 because if, if that's not enough, then certainly then we, 165 00:08:40.815 --> 00:08:42.755 we will be looking at an alternative. 166 00:08:43.825 --> 00:08:45.995 This is, this is kind of bad. Yep. 167 00:08:46.435 --> 00:08:47.475 I, I will follow up with 168 00:08:47.475 --> 00:08:49.435 Jacobson specifically on that issue. 169 00:08:50.045 --> 00:08:52.595 Thank you. Alright. I just have one question. 170 00:08:53.815 --> 00:08:57.165 You say that, uh, it cleans some 171 00:08:57.165 --> 00:08:59.965 of the residue out every two weeks. Is that correct? 172 00:09:00.435 --> 00:09:01.485 Yeah. 15 days. 173 00:09:01.485 --> 00:09:02.525 Yeah. Every 15 day. 174 00:09:02.985 --> 00:09:07.925 Is that 15 days worth of, uh, residue? 175 00:09:08.515 --> 00:09:13.125 Well, the, the actual device, um, it's battery operated, 176 00:09:13.425 --> 00:09:16.445 but it's, it had four more days 177 00:09:16.705 --> 00:09:18.485 before it was going to self flush. 178 00:09:19.465 --> 00:09:21.645 It won't take, it won't take off. 179 00:09:24.865 --> 00:09:27.715 I'm slimy, but it won't take off. 180 00:09:27.715 --> 00:09:29.835 Just this kind of green debris. 181 00:09:30.185 --> 00:09:32.635 Okay. It won't. 182 00:09:33.955 --> 00:09:37.915 Got it. Now, I, I will wash this with a, with a hose. 183 00:09:37.935 --> 00:09:41.475 Mm-hmm. And it will clean it Alright. 184 00:09:41.585 --> 00:09:43.315 Down and it will be white. Okay. 185 00:09:43.315 --> 00:09:44.595 It'll be white like this plastic. 186 00:09:45.625 --> 00:09:46.635 Okay. Alright. 187 00:09:47.175 --> 00:09:49.355 Now I'm looking at the container right now 188 00:09:49.455 --> 00:09:50.955 and it's still dark. 189 00:09:51.545 --> 00:09:55.435 Yeah. And it's because it's got appears to have goop 190 00:09:55.855 --> 00:09:56.855 Yep. All over it. 191 00:09:56.855 --> 00:09:57.715 That's, 192 00:09:57.715 --> 00:09:59.635 That's so And sir, sir, we do have, 193 00:09:59.645 --> 00:10:00.675 we're recording the meeting, 194 00:10:00.815 --> 00:10:02.035 so unfortunately if you're gonna 195 00:10:02.035 --> 00:10:03.275 talk, you do have to be at the mic. 196 00:10:03.415 --> 00:10:04.415 I'm sorry. 197 00:10:06.445 --> 00:10:10.835 Sorry. It, it's, it is a slimy material in there. 198 00:10:11.265 --> 00:10:13.555 Okay. Okay. Again, where did you say you live? 199 00:10:14.325 --> 00:10:17.235 51 24 Lawler Loop wall. 200 00:10:19.385 --> 00:10:21.315 What, what village area is that 201 00:10:22.605 --> 00:10:23.505 He lived at? Benny. 202 00:10:23.955 --> 00:10:26.185 Benny? No, no, no, its just north of, 203 00:10:26.185 --> 00:10:29.425 uh, north of uh, 204 00:10:30.045 --> 00:10:33.065 Are you on IS are you on Lyden Isle North that, 205 00:10:33.285 --> 00:10:34.825 are you on Lyden Isle? No, 206 00:10:35.365 --> 00:10:36.365 No. I'm 207 00:10:36.365 --> 00:10:38.945 Marsh Bend. Marsh Bend north 208 00:10:38.945 --> 00:10:39.945 Of Edna. Oh yeah, okay. 209 00:10:39.945 --> 00:10:42.185 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know where you are. Yeah, 210 00:10:42.185 --> 00:10:43.585 Just a little bit above Ednas. 211 00:10:43.695 --> 00:10:45.825 Yeah. Yeah. Two streets above Ednas. 212 00:10:46.095 --> 00:10:47.425 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I know you are 213 00:10:47.535 --> 00:10:48.745 Same, same side of the road. 214 00:10:49.615 --> 00:10:51.505 I've never seen anything like that. Okay. 215 00:10:52.955 --> 00:10:55.625 Thank you. Alright. Thank you. Appreciate it. 216 00:11:01.525 --> 00:11:02.985 No other discussions at this time. 217 00:11:03.165 --> 00:11:05.145 Moving on with the consent agenda. 218 00:11:06.125 --> 00:11:07.665 Do I have a motion from the board 219 00:11:07.765 --> 00:11:11.105 to approve the consent agenda or any questions at this 220 00:11:11.105 --> 00:11:12.185 Time? So moved. 221 00:11:12.445 --> 00:11:14.065 Second. All in favor. 222 00:11:14.545 --> 00:11:19.545 A Thank you. 223 00:11:20.625 --> 00:11:21.925 Yes sir. The first item on, 224 00:11:21.925 --> 00:11:24.845 or the only item on new business is for Mr. Armstrong 225 00:11:24.845 --> 00:11:27.645 to present, um, a potential modification 226 00:11:27.905 --> 00:11:29.965 or amendment to your rule for the neat 227 00:11:29.965 --> 00:11:31.125 and clean rule enforcement. 228 00:11:31.995 --> 00:11:34.165 Good morning Board matter Armstrong Community standards. 229 00:11:35.265 --> 00:11:37.805 So I wanna start off by pending an example. 230 00:11:38.625 --> 00:11:40.445 In community standards, we receive complaints 231 00:11:40.465 --> 00:11:41.685 for possible violations. 232 00:11:41.825 --> 00:11:42.845 And neat and clean is 233 00:11:43.185 --> 00:11:44.405 by far the number one 234 00:11:44.565 --> 00:11:45.805 complaint received by all the districts. 235 00:11:45.805 --> 00:11:48.845 That's typically your grass, your weeds, mold, algae growth, 236 00:11:48.955 --> 00:11:50.925 edge bushes, things like that. 237 00:11:51.795 --> 00:11:55.005 When we receive a complaint, we can only go to the complaint 238 00:11:55.035 --> 00:11:56.805 that is presented to us. 239 00:11:57.185 --> 00:11:59.285 And if it's a call, we'll say, you know, okay, 240 00:11:59.285 --> 00:12:01.165 it's a violation for the neat and clean tall grass. 241 00:12:01.305 --> 00:12:04.405 Is there anything else? Is there weeds? Is there mold? 242 00:12:04.465 --> 00:12:05.885 Is there hedges? Is there anything? 243 00:12:06.185 --> 00:12:08.245 And the person may say, no, I drive by every day. 244 00:12:08.285 --> 00:12:09.725 I only notice the tall grass and weeds. 245 00:12:10.425 --> 00:12:11.725 We go to the property 246 00:12:12.385 --> 00:12:14.645 and there's weeds everywhere that the, 247 00:12:14.905 --> 00:12:16.485 the front entryway is completely blocked 248 00:12:16.485 --> 00:12:17.845 because the hedges are overgrown 249 00:12:17.905 --> 00:12:19.845 and there's algae growth on the side of the house, 250 00:12:20.505 --> 00:12:24.685 but we can only address the grass that they called in. 251 00:12:24.685 --> 00:12:25.965 We can't address anything else. 252 00:12:27.125 --> 00:12:30.485 A month later, we'll get a call for maybe some of the other 253 00:12:30.495 --> 00:12:33.045 above other things, and then two weeks later we'll get a 254 00:12:33.045 --> 00:12:34.605 call for the, the remainder of the property. 255 00:12:34.945 --> 00:12:37.605 So over like a two, three month span, we're gonna be going 256 00:12:37.605 --> 00:12:40.085 to the same property for the same rule, 257 00:12:40.905 --> 00:12:43.005 but we're only able to address those particular items 258 00:12:43.145 --> 00:12:44.245 at that particular time. 259 00:12:44.345 --> 00:12:45.845 So this property may go 260 00:12:45.845 --> 00:12:48.685 before your decompliance hearing officer three times 261 00:12:49.395 --> 00:12:51.085 over a four to five month period 262 00:12:51.585 --> 00:12:55.885 for the same exact rule violation in your standards 263 00:12:56.065 --> 00:12:59.565 and also in your appendix B for your rules, um, that you do 264 00:12:59.565 --> 00:13:01.245 for your adopting your deed restrictions. 265 00:13:02.105 --> 00:13:04.805 You have provisions in there that talk about, um, 266 00:13:04.905 --> 00:13:06.165 if they're found in violation, 267 00:13:06.165 --> 00:13:07.645 the district can't mow the lawn. 268 00:13:07.675 --> 00:13:10.165 They can edge, they can weed, they can, uh, 269 00:13:10.175 --> 00:13:11.965 power wash the property. 270 00:13:12.025 --> 00:13:14.005 And those, when we have those public hearings 271 00:13:14.185 --> 00:13:17.565 and we define what maintenance is in the standards 272 00:13:17.565 --> 00:13:19.805 where you must keep your grass cut, grass, meat 273 00:13:19.805 --> 00:13:21.685 and clean, it can't exceed eight inches in height. 274 00:13:22.185 --> 00:13:23.685 It defines what the meat 275 00:13:23.685 --> 00:13:26.045 and clean requirement is from the deed restrictions. 276 00:13:26.715 --> 00:13:27.885 What we would like to do 277 00:13:27.885 --> 00:13:30.005 with your permission is amend the rule to 278 00:13:30.005 --> 00:13:32.405 where when we get a complaint for the neat 279 00:13:32.405 --> 00:13:35.205 and clean rule, we're gonna go for all of it. 280 00:13:35.575 --> 00:13:38.165 We're gonna go, okay, you know, they said tall grass, 281 00:13:38.225 --> 00:13:41.645 but we will look for mold, we're gonna look for the edging, 282 00:13:41.645 --> 00:13:43.485 we're gonna look for the weeds, we're gonna look 283 00:13:43.505 --> 00:13:46.125 for those provisions underneath those provisions, 284 00:13:46.385 --> 00:13:49.925 and also how it's defined in, uh, your standards so 285 00:13:49.925 --> 00:13:51.525 that we're doing it all in one shot 286 00:13:51.705 --> 00:13:54.005 and we're not having to come back multiple times 287 00:13:54.095 --> 00:13:55.725 underneath the same rule 288 00:13:56.105 --> 00:13:58.845 for the same property incurring additional costs 289 00:13:59.025 --> 00:14:02.485 and that staff time, staff visits for the district. 290 00:14:02.505 --> 00:14:03.765 So what we're requesting is 291 00:14:03.765 --> 00:14:06.765 to amend the rule at a public hearing at an October, uh, 292 00:14:06.765 --> 00:14:09.405 your October meeting, October 6th, to amend the rule so 293 00:14:09.405 --> 00:14:12.645 that we can enforce that rule simultaneously for anything 294 00:14:12.645 --> 00:14:14.845 regarding that particular rule and only that rule. 295 00:14:15.105 --> 00:14:16.245 So if someone, we go there 296 00:14:16.245 --> 00:14:17.525 and we notice that there's a law ornament, 297 00:14:17.625 --> 00:14:19.245 we can't address the law ornament 298 00:14:19.445 --> 00:14:21.005 'cause we're is doing the neat 299 00:14:21.005 --> 00:14:22.445 and clean rule in its entirety. 300 00:14:23.425 --> 00:14:25.765 So you would not address the, uh, the lawn ornament? 301 00:14:25.865 --> 00:14:29.125 We would not. Okay. And maybe you, I'm sorry. 302 00:14:29.755 --> 00:14:31.925 I'll, I'll defer. I did, I didn't mean to jump in 303 00:14:31.925 --> 00:14:32.925 and just the thought was there, 304 00:14:33.305 --> 00:14:36.125 but my, my question, you know, maybe you can help us all, 305 00:14:36.505 --> 00:14:40.365 is, is this this neat and clean rule? 306 00:14:40.825 --> 00:14:43.445 Is that a separate section in the documents? 307 00:14:43.645 --> 00:14:46.125 I I didn't get a chance to look at it. Okay. 308 00:14:46.145 --> 00:14:47.325 It is self defined. 309 00:14:47.325 --> 00:14:50.525 In other words, everything that is under that need 310 00:14:51.075 --> 00:14:53.725 rule is in that stand in that section. Correct. 311 00:14:54.465 --> 00:14:56.365 So there is a different provi. 312 00:14:56.365 --> 00:14:59.125 There's one provision in the deed restrictions that is neat 313 00:14:59.125 --> 00:15:02.405 and clean, but the deed restrictions don't say 314 00:15:02.875 --> 00:15:03.965 what is neat and clean. 315 00:15:04.305 --> 00:15:07.205 So staff through your standards had 316 00:15:07.205 --> 00:15:08.765 to define neat and clean. 317 00:15:08.765 --> 00:15:10.685 And then we brought that to the board for approval. 318 00:15:11.465 --> 00:15:14.845 In your standard it says grass is considered 319 00:15:14.955 --> 00:15:16.285 overgrown at eight inches. 320 00:15:16.985 --> 00:15:18.725 The yard must be free of weeds. 321 00:15:19.105 --> 00:15:20.765 Um, it talks about the mold 322 00:15:20.765 --> 00:15:22.165 where you can't have mold on 323 00:15:22.165 --> 00:15:23.485 the driveway or mold on the home. 324 00:15:24.065 --> 00:15:26.085 So yes, the deed restrictions, 325 00:15:26.085 --> 00:15:28.685 there is one specific provision that is neat and clean 326 00:15:28.785 --> 00:15:30.805 and then that is defined in your standards. 327 00:15:31.185 --> 00:15:34.765 And as Mr. Armstrong stated, it is only those things 328 00:15:34.795 --> 00:15:36.605 that are linked to that specific neat 329 00:15:36.605 --> 00:15:40.125 and clean that we would look at as part of this rule change. 330 00:15:40.585 --> 00:15:43.925 And what that will also prevent is when we bring a property 331 00:15:43.925 --> 00:15:48.765 to pub, public hearing, the public hearing, in your case, 332 00:15:48.835 --> 00:15:51.765 it's the special hearing officer will look at a property 333 00:15:52.025 --> 00:15:55.165 and again, find it in violation of the tall grass and weeds. 334 00:15:55.385 --> 00:15:58.885 But there's mold everywhere. Well, that wasn't called in. 335 00:15:59.225 --> 00:16:01.405 So as Mr. Armstrong stated, then 336 00:16:01.405 --> 00:16:02.885 what will happen is we'll end up going 337 00:16:02.885 --> 00:16:05.565 to another public hearing a month later. 338 00:16:06.065 --> 00:16:09.325 And the way you, you, your costs are allocated 339 00:16:09.325 --> 00:16:12.645 through community standards is also based on the amount 340 00:16:12.785 --> 00:16:16.685 of decompliance restrictions, the applications, 341 00:16:16.745 --> 00:16:17.965 and then the public hearings. 342 00:16:18.305 --> 00:16:20.525 So this will allow us to do one public hearing 343 00:16:20.625 --> 00:16:23.805 for everything under that specific rule provision. 344 00:16:24.665 --> 00:16:26.485 Are we doing this to all the districts? 345 00:16:26.705 --> 00:16:28.805 We will be adjusting this with all the districts. Yes, sir. 346 00:16:28.905 --> 00:16:31.925 But it will take an initial complaint to start that. 347 00:16:32.145 --> 00:16:33.145 Yes sir. Yes, Sir. 348 00:16:33.745 --> 00:16:34.965 And it could be, I'm 349 00:16:34.965 --> 00:16:35.965 Sorry. No, I, I was just gonna 350 00:16:35.965 --> 00:16:36.565 elaborate 351 00:16:36.565 --> 00:16:38.885 and as Mr. Armstrong stated, if we get a call 352 00:16:39.355 --> 00:16:43.045 because there is a law ornament, we are not going 353 00:16:43.045 --> 00:16:45.605 to be looking at anything other than a lawn ornament. 354 00:16:45.705 --> 00:16:48.645 If we get a call that there is a sign, we are not going 355 00:16:48.645 --> 00:16:50.125 to be looking for anything other than a sign. 356 00:16:50.545 --> 00:16:54.245 If we get a call that there is mold all over the driveway, 357 00:16:54.275 --> 00:16:56.165 because that falls underneath and clean. 358 00:16:56.665 --> 00:16:58.605 If it's only mold at that point, then 359 00:16:58.605 --> 00:16:59.805 that, that's all we write. 360 00:16:59.905 --> 00:17:03.805 But if we go out there and the grass is 15 inches tall 361 00:17:03.905 --> 00:17:06.485 and there are vines growing up the the house, 362 00:17:06.795 --> 00:17:08.645 then we'll be able to address all of that at once. 363 00:17:09.445 --> 00:17:11.845 Absolutely. Any other questions from the board? 364 00:17:12.985 --> 00:17:15.045 No, I, I, I, I understand now. 365 00:17:15.065 --> 00:17:18.845 So you have to have a complaint about an item 366 00:17:18.875 --> 00:17:21.525 that is listed under the neat and clean standards. 367 00:17:22.025 --> 00:17:25.685 And once you get that complaint about tall grass like, uh, 368 00:17:25.685 --> 00:17:28.285 Carrie said, and you find other neat 369 00:17:28.285 --> 00:17:29.765 and clean violations, then 370 00:17:29.955 --> 00:17:33.645 what you're saying is you have the ability now to, you know, 371 00:17:33.695 --> 00:17:34.965 throw the big net around those. 372 00:17:35.075 --> 00:17:38.125 Whereas right now you restrict it just to 373 00:17:38.125 --> 00:17:39.125 what the complaint was. 374 00:17:39.195 --> 00:17:40.325 Correct. Okay. 375 00:17:42.385 --> 00:17:44.925 Do I have a motion from the board? So moved. 376 00:17:45.465 --> 00:17:49.285 Are you a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. 377 00:17:49.415 --> 00:17:50.525 Thank you. Thank you. Board. 378 00:17:51.065 --> 00:17:55.045 So this will, um, the motion was to advertise to amend 379 00:17:55.045 --> 00:17:56.605 and restate your rule in October 380 00:17:56.605 --> 00:17:58.805 because anytime we have a change in your rule, 381 00:17:58.805 --> 00:18:00.085 it has to be through a public hearing. 382 00:18:00.585 --> 00:18:02.885 So this will be presented to you again in October, 383 00:18:03.025 --> 00:18:05.965 at which time you will actually amend your rule 384 00:18:09.985 --> 00:18:11.765 Moving on old business. 385 00:18:12.425 --> 00:18:13.765 Yes, sir. The, um, 386 00:18:14.465 --> 00:18:17.885 the only item on the old business tracking sheet was 387 00:18:18.025 --> 00:18:20.965 for staff to communicate the maintenance concerns, um, 388 00:18:20.965 --> 00:18:22.685 for the property on Scardino Street. 389 00:18:23.265 --> 00:18:27.685 Um, we did, Mr. Armstrong has been in a lot of communication 390 00:18:27.685 --> 00:18:31.165 with both the city of Wildwood and Sumter County, um, 391 00:18:31.165 --> 00:18:34.965 because part of property falls within the city of Wildwood 392 00:18:35.025 --> 00:18:36.765 and their, their regulations, 393 00:18:36.785 --> 00:18:38.645 and then Sumter County as well. 394 00:18:39.265 --> 00:18:43.765 Um, Sumter County did indicate that they, um, 395 00:18:44.115 --> 00:18:46.325 they did declare it uninhabitable 396 00:18:46.425 --> 00:18:48.765 and that you could not trespass on the property 397 00:18:48.855 --> 00:18:50.205 until it is remedied. 398 00:18:50.665 --> 00:18:53.205 But that is the extent as of what they do, 399 00:18:53.295 --> 00:18:56.165 there is not a current code enforcement case on it. 400 00:18:56.275 --> 00:18:59.165 It's not something that is it, it's reached to that level. 401 00:18:59.225 --> 00:19:02.525 Yet according to the county, we did reach out 402 00:19:02.585 --> 00:19:04.085 or the homeowner reached out 403 00:19:04.105 --> 00:19:05.965 and we've attached a letter from their 404 00:19:06.245 --> 00:19:07.605 attorney on your agenda. 405 00:19:07.785 --> 00:19:09.605 So you can see that they are working 406 00:19:09.745 --> 00:19:11.765 to remedy, um, the property. 407 00:19:12.355 --> 00:19:13.525 This also went 408 00:19:13.825 --> 00:19:17.525 before, um, the special hearing officer in a public hearing. 409 00:19:18.105 --> 00:19:22.125 We cannot require that they go on the property 410 00:19:22.145 --> 00:19:25.085 and man maintain it because it's prohibited. 411 00:19:25.425 --> 00:19:28.405 But what we did, what the special hearing officer did find 412 00:19:28.405 --> 00:19:31.125 them in violation, and they have a certain amount of time, 413 00:19:31.635 --> 00:19:34.325 once they are able to go onto the property 414 00:19:34.635 --> 00:19:36.085 that they must bring it into compliance 415 00:19:36.105 --> 00:19:37.325 or fines would start. 416 00:19:38.465 --> 00:19:40.125 So we cannot force anything 417 00:19:40.325 --> 00:19:42.605 to happen faster than what is happening. 418 00:19:43.025 --> 00:19:45.445 But we have done everything that the district can do 419 00:19:45.545 --> 00:19:49.005 to make sure that once the sinkhole is remedied 420 00:19:49.025 --> 00:19:51.165 and they're able to go onto the property, 421 00:19:51.165 --> 00:19:52.685 that it is maintained after that point. 422 00:19:54.025 --> 00:19:57.525 Are we doing anything for the property to the side of it, 423 00:19:57.975 --> 00:20:02.435 looking at if the vehicle was grown or 424 00:20:02.635 --> 00:20:04.515 Anything that would not be under the, 425 00:20:04.535 --> 00:20:05.715 the purview of the district. 426 00:20:05.715 --> 00:20:07.075 That's something that the property owners 427 00:20:07.085 --> 00:20:08.435 would have, have to work through. 428 00:20:08.585 --> 00:20:09.675 Okay. Alright. 429 00:20:11.935 --> 00:20:15.395 And, um, again, on your old business, you'll see on 430 00:20:15.395 --> 00:20:18.435 that letter to the hearing officer from the attorney 431 00:20:18.435 --> 00:20:19.435 of the property owner. 432 00:20:20.015 --> 00:20:22.355 Um, so again, they are working through it 433 00:20:22.355 --> 00:20:23.995 and hopefully it will, um, 434 00:20:24.065 --> 00:20:25.595 they'll be able to get through that process. 435 00:20:25.735 --> 00:20:28.195 And I, again, I know this isn't really what the homeowners 436 00:20:28.195 --> 00:20:30.555 and the surrounding areas wanted to hear, um, 437 00:20:30.735 --> 00:20:33.955 but Mr. Armstrong has done more than, than 438 00:20:34.615 --> 00:20:35.755 really what he should have. 439 00:20:36.075 --> 00:20:37.195 'cause this really doesn't fall 440 00:20:37.195 --> 00:20:38.395 under the purview of the district. 441 00:20:38.815 --> 00:20:41.115 Um, but the city and county are both aware of it. 442 00:20:42.045 --> 00:20:45.515 Thank you. Any questions on the information 443 00:20:45.515 --> 00:20:46.755 items only from the 444 00:20:46.755 --> 00:20:48.605 Board who are, 445 00:20:48.825 --> 00:20:52.205 and we did, um, we had one other item on own business, uh, 446 00:20:52.205 --> 00:20:53.805 which was the presentation 447 00:20:53.985 --> 00:20:56.365 for the age restriction deed restriction 448 00:20:56.365 --> 00:20:58.365 that Mr. Armstrong will go through as well. 449 00:21:01.995 --> 00:21:03.985 Hello Board, mad Armstrong Community Standards. 450 00:21:05.125 --> 00:21:08.225 So at your July 12th, 2025 meeting, you did request 451 00:21:08.405 --> 00:21:11.265 to have a presentation on just additional information 452 00:21:11.265 --> 00:21:14.865 regarding age restriction enforcements, uh, 453 00:21:14.865 --> 00:21:16.825 working very closely with, um, 454 00:21:17.105 --> 00:21:18.945 district administration and legal counsel. 455 00:21:19.595 --> 00:21:23.385 We've come up with, uh, this presentation for you today. 456 00:21:24.445 --> 00:21:25.745 And, uh, here we go. 457 00:21:27.045 --> 00:21:31.145 So if we receive a complaint regarding an age restriction, 458 00:21:31.535 --> 00:21:33.305 well first of, we'll start the DRD restrictions. 459 00:21:33.305 --> 00:21:35.945 The D restrictions do state that no person under 19 years 460 00:21:35.945 --> 00:21:38.625 of age may be a permanent resident of a home except 461 00:21:38.625 --> 00:21:41.865 for persons age 19, um, may be permitted to visit 462 00:21:42.125 --> 00:21:43.385 and temporarily reside 463 00:21:43.685 --> 00:21:47.025 for periods not exceeding 30 days in total in 464 00:21:47.085 --> 00:21:48.625 any calendar period. 465 00:21:49.325 --> 00:21:51.785 Uh, the subdivision is an adult community designed 466 00:21:51.785 --> 00:21:54.545 to provide housing for persons 55 years of age and older. 467 00:21:54.645 --> 00:21:56.785 All homes must be occupied by at least one person 468 00:21:56.785 --> 00:21:58.105 that is 55 years of age. 469 00:22:01.165 --> 00:22:03.745 So the purpose of the external deed 470 00:22:03.745 --> 00:22:05.065 restriction standards is to further. 471 00:22:05.365 --> 00:22:10.105 So in order to continue with any form of enforcement, 472 00:22:10.125 --> 00:22:13.505 we would need to define what the term visit 473 00:22:13.605 --> 00:22:15.345 and temporary reside mean. 474 00:22:15.605 --> 00:22:17.705 And so we would need to create a new standards 475 00:22:17.705 --> 00:22:19.065 definition for that. 476 00:22:19.765 --> 00:22:22.465 So we have suggested that the term temp visit 477 00:22:22.805 --> 00:22:25.065 and temporarily reside are used interchangeably, 478 00:22:25.065 --> 00:22:26.665 and they shall mean or refer 479 00:22:26.665 --> 00:22:28.065 to a continuous period consisting 480 00:22:28.065 --> 00:22:30.505 of 24 hours upon a home site or a lot. 481 00:22:30.965 --> 00:22:33.105 So that would have to be a new definition that we would have 482 00:22:33.105 --> 00:22:38.025 to adopt, uh, for any form of enforcement on this provision. 483 00:22:38.725 --> 00:22:42.465 If we receive a complaint for an age requirement, this is, 484 00:22:42.555 --> 00:22:44.705 these are the steps that we are recommending. 485 00:22:46.805 --> 00:22:49.625 The individual that is the complainant would need 486 00:22:49.625 --> 00:22:51.105 to provide evidence showing 487 00:22:51.135 --> 00:22:55.585 that the individual's there 31 days in that calendar year, 488 00:22:56.495 --> 00:23:00.105 continued evidence must be provided by that individual. 489 00:23:01.125 --> 00:23:02.625 We would not have staff go out 490 00:23:02.625 --> 00:23:05.185 to essentially camp out in front of somebody's house 491 00:23:05.925 --> 00:23:08.665 and see if somebody's visiting over a 24 hour 492 00:23:08.665 --> 00:23:10.545 period in a calendar year. 493 00:23:11.845 --> 00:23:12.955 Final, final evidence 494 00:23:12.955 --> 00:23:15.115 for the public hearing showing the violation must also be 495 00:23:15.115 --> 00:23:18.555 presented by the complainant in any post evidence. 496 00:23:19.135 --> 00:23:20.995 For us to be able to levy fines would have to be 497 00:23:21.155 --> 00:23:22.795 provided by the complainant as well. 498 00:23:23.375 --> 00:23:27.395 So this is going to be a very, um, heavy, um, 499 00:23:28.265 --> 00:23:30.115 process for the complainant to be able 500 00:23:30.115 --> 00:23:31.755 to provide all the information necessary 501 00:23:31.755 --> 00:23:33.035 for any form of public hearing. 502 00:23:34.375 --> 00:23:36.955 If we receive the concern, the concerns received 503 00:23:36.955 --> 00:23:40.315 for the child in the home, it would then see the 504 00:23:41.035 --> 00:23:43.915 complainant must also sign a legal affidavit that claims 505 00:23:44.065 --> 00:23:45.605 that the information that they have 506 00:23:45.805 --> 00:23:47.525 provided is true and accurate. 507 00:23:48.665 --> 00:23:51.685 We will then send notices to the homeowners in regards 508 00:23:51.865 --> 00:23:53.085 to the violation. 509 00:23:53.775 --> 00:23:55.995 The letters will include, uh, the copies of the evidence 510 00:23:55.995 --> 00:23:59.515 that is provided by the complainants to those homeowners. 511 00:23:59.575 --> 00:24:02.315 So the individual who is providing this information will not 512 00:24:02.315 --> 00:24:03.355 be able to be anonymous. 513 00:24:04.495 --> 00:24:06.555 The letters request abatement of any violation 514 00:24:06.555 --> 00:24:07.955 for anybody under the age of 19 515 00:24:08.095 --> 00:24:09.675 who may be residing on that property. 516 00:24:10.505 --> 00:24:13.995 Step three would be any time of resolution or continuation. 517 00:24:13.995 --> 00:24:16.115 If a violation is clear due to lack of evidence, 518 00:24:16.815 --> 00:24:18.515 the concern will be closed and letters will be sent 519 00:24:18.515 --> 00:24:19.875 to the homeowner to confirm that 520 00:24:20.735 --> 00:24:22.995 the homeowner provides contrary evidence showing the 521 00:24:22.995 --> 00:24:24.035 violation does not exist. 522 00:24:24.095 --> 00:24:25.435 We will close the concern with, 523 00:24:25.495 --> 00:24:26.795 and we'll send a confirmation letter. 524 00:24:26.795 --> 00:24:29.355 As such. If the violation still continues, 525 00:24:29.355 --> 00:24:31.115 we will step onto step four. 526 00:24:31.825 --> 00:24:33.595 Step four is going to be the second 527 00:24:33.615 --> 00:24:35.875 and third letters in which we will then provide on the third 528 00:24:35.875 --> 00:24:36.995 letter, notice of public hearing 529 00:24:36.995 --> 00:24:39.875 before the decompliance hearing officer at their regularly 530 00:24:39.875 --> 00:24:41.675 scheduled, uh, monthly meeting. 531 00:24:43.585 --> 00:24:44.875 When it does go to public hearing, 532 00:24:44.875 --> 00:24:48.125 or if it does go to public hearing, testimony will be 533 00:24:48.285 --> 00:24:50.165 provided by the complainants and the property owner 534 00:24:50.165 --> 00:24:51.285 where the concern exists. 535 00:24:51.585 --> 00:24:53.685 So district staff will essentially prepare the public 536 00:24:53.685 --> 00:24:57.125 hearing and the complainants will be the one providing, um, 537 00:24:57.605 --> 00:25:00.805 sworn testimony to the hearing officer in regards 538 00:25:00.805 --> 00:25:02.045 to the information that they provided 539 00:25:02.145 --> 00:25:03.205 and their sworn affidavit. 540 00:25:03.865 --> 00:25:05.885 And the complainant, um, would need 541 00:25:05.885 --> 00:25:07.365 to swear that under oath. 542 00:25:07.705 --> 00:25:10.725 And then of course, the, uh, individual, the property owner 543 00:25:10.725 --> 00:25:12.765 that the violation exists on would be able 544 00:25:12.765 --> 00:25:14.245 to provide testimony to counter that 545 00:25:14.985 --> 00:25:17.485 the decompliance hearing officer will render a decision as 546 00:25:17.485 --> 00:25:18.885 to whether or not violation exists. 547 00:25:19.025 --> 00:25:21.805 If they are found in violation, it would be the same, um, 548 00:25:23.195 --> 00:25:26.165 process as we have for any other violation where an order 549 00:25:26.165 --> 00:25:28.245 of enforcement would be entered, fines may be assessed, 550 00:25:28.245 --> 00:25:30.085 and a lien could be placed on that property. 551 00:25:32.345 --> 00:25:34.645 If we receive a concern for, um, somebody 552 00:25:34.645 --> 00:25:37.245 who is not at least one person 55 553 00:25:37.265 --> 00:25:39.125 or older residing in the home, 554 00:25:39.125 --> 00:25:41.925 what we will do is we will utilize available resources 555 00:25:41.925 --> 00:25:43.805 that district staff have to verify 556 00:25:43.805 --> 00:25:46.285 that someone on the property is 55 years of age. 557 00:25:46.825 --> 00:25:48.485 If there is not someone listed on the property 558 00:25:48.485 --> 00:25:49.685 that is 55 years of age, 559 00:25:49.685 --> 00:25:52.605 we'll follow the de decompliance process with letters, uh, 560 00:25:52.665 --> 00:25:54.085 to a public hearing in which the, 561 00:25:54.185 --> 00:25:56.885 the Decompliance hearing officer would render a verdict. 562 00:25:56.985 --> 00:25:58.845 And again, fines could be assessed, 563 00:25:59.085 --> 00:26:00.725 a lien placed on the property until 564 00:26:00.725 --> 00:26:02.125 that property is brought into compliance. 565 00:26:03.715 --> 00:26:04.895 And if you have any questions, 566 00:26:05.835 --> 00:26:09.855 So to, to just wrap this up a little bit, if you decide 567 00:26:09.855 --> 00:26:14.695 to move forward on enforcing this rule, it is, 568 00:26:14.795 --> 00:26:17.575 it has to be done a little bit differently than what all 569 00:26:17.575 --> 00:26:18.615 of your other rules state, 570 00:26:18.645 --> 00:26:21.255 because staff does not have the ability 571 00:26:21.315 --> 00:26:22.895 to go into somebody's house 572 00:26:23.075 --> 00:26:25.455 and verify that there is a child living there. 573 00:26:26.105 --> 00:26:27.495 Staff isn't available. 574 00:26:27.685 --> 00:26:32.215 Typically, when residents are saying, my neighbor has, um, 575 00:26:32.755 --> 00:26:34.735 you know, a, a school bus is coming 576 00:26:34.795 --> 00:26:36.295 and dropping somebody off and, 577 00:26:36.435 --> 00:26:39.615 and they're going, well, when a public hearing comes, 578 00:26:39.665 --> 00:26:42.335 staff has to testify that what they're saying is true. 579 00:26:42.755 --> 00:26:46.565 So even if a child is getting out of a school bus 580 00:26:46.745 --> 00:26:50.005 and walking to a home, staff can testify that, 581 00:26:50.225 --> 00:26:52.685 but they cannot testify that that child is living there 582 00:26:52.685 --> 00:26:54.205 because they, they don't know. 583 00:26:54.205 --> 00:26:55.365 They don't see them at night, 584 00:26:55.365 --> 00:26:56.445 they don't see them in the morning. 585 00:26:57.305 --> 00:27:01.925 So in this case, the person complaining is going 586 00:27:01.925 --> 00:27:04.165 to have to be the one that testifies that 587 00:27:04.165 --> 00:27:06.005 that person does in fact, live in there. 588 00:27:06.905 --> 00:27:11.895 And you may, we may have residents that don't want to do 589 00:27:11.895 --> 00:27:16.095 that, but that really is the only way that we can do this 590 00:27:16.095 --> 00:27:17.575 through your public hearing process. 591 00:27:18.555 --> 00:27:22.415 It allows the opportunity for it to go through the process. 592 00:27:22.875 --> 00:27:25.775 So if homeowners, if residents are okay doing that 593 00:27:25.955 --> 00:27:29.335 and saying, I I know for a fact that person is living there 594 00:27:29.335 --> 00:27:32.215 and I'm okay being the one that that is complaining on it 595 00:27:32.215 --> 00:27:33.295 and testifying with it, 596 00:27:33.685 --> 00:27:36.335 then this gives the special hearing officer the ability 597 00:27:36.335 --> 00:27:39.335 to enter into an order of enforcement, just like all 598 00:27:39.335 --> 00:27:41.575 of your other deed restrictions and potentially, fine. 599 00:27:42.355 --> 00:27:46.495 So this, this is better than the system we have now, 600 00:27:46.545 --> 00:27:48.535 which we don't have that ability. 601 00:27:48.795 --> 00:27:50.055 It, it really is up 602 00:27:50.055 --> 00:27:52.375 to the developer if they want to enforce it or not. 603 00:27:52.805 --> 00:27:54.295 This gives you the opportunity, 604 00:27:54.755 --> 00:27:57.975 but it certainly does require a little bit more, um, 605 00:27:58.325 --> 00:28:00.215 onus on the complainant 606 00:28:00.215 --> 00:28:01.815 because they are going to have to be the one 607 00:28:01.815 --> 00:28:04.255 that actually testifies and provides that information. 608 00:28:05.045 --> 00:28:08.455 Okay. So that, I was listening to all that, 609 00:28:08.525 --> 00:28:09.935 this is something that 610 00:28:11.265 --> 00:28:14.725 the enforcement falls under the authority of the developer. 611 00:28:15.585 --> 00:28:20.165 So all deed restrictions, there are three people that can, 612 00:28:20.265 --> 00:28:24.565 or three entities that can enforce the developer 613 00:28:25.065 --> 00:28:27.325 as the declarant, the property owners, 614 00:28:27.355 --> 00:28:29.565 because they are, they have the vested interest, 615 00:28:29.565 --> 00:28:31.725 they're a party to the declaration of restrictions. 616 00:28:32.465 --> 00:28:36.685 And if you adopt a rule, you have the ability to enforce. 617 00:28:37.385 --> 00:28:40.605 So right now, you don't have the ability to enforce this 618 00:28:40.605 --> 00:28:42.285 because this is not in your rule. 619 00:28:42.905 --> 00:28:45.725 If you want to have the ability to enforce it, then 620 00:28:45.725 --> 00:28:47.165 what we will do is amend 621 00:28:47.165 --> 00:28:49.685 and restate your rule with these provisions in there 622 00:28:49.995 --> 00:28:52.205 that then gives you the right to do it. 623 00:28:53.625 --> 00:28:55.765 If you, and, and you cannot do it, 624 00:28:55.765 --> 00:28:58.165 just like you cannot enforce any of your deed restrictions. 625 00:28:58.185 --> 00:29:01.285 If you decided today that you did not want to enforce neat 626 00:29:01.285 --> 00:29:03.965 and clean, then we would amend that out of your rule, 627 00:29:04.345 --> 00:29:06.165 and it would still be a violation 628 00:29:06.165 --> 00:29:07.525 to not have your property neat and clean. 629 00:29:07.585 --> 00:29:09.445 But you as a board would not enforce it. 630 00:29:09.705 --> 00:29:11.685 It would be up to either other property owners 631 00:29:11.825 --> 00:29:13.485 to essentially sue each other 632 00:29:14.065 --> 00:29:16.005 or the developer could enforce it. 633 00:29:16.425 --> 00:29:18.925 So this is just one more deal restriction that it's up 634 00:29:18.925 --> 00:29:21.485 to you if you want to enforce it 635 00:29:21.485 --> 00:29:23.605 because residents have said that they're not happy 636 00:29:23.605 --> 00:29:25.205 with the way the developer's doing it. 637 00:29:25.665 --> 00:29:28.925 So they want somebody to enforce the seat restriction. 638 00:29:29.025 --> 00:29:31.125 If you want to do it as part of your rule, 639 00:29:31.235 --> 00:29:32.525 then you, you can do that. 640 00:29:34.945 --> 00:29:37.805 Any comment? This is opening a can of worms here. 641 00:29:38.985 --> 00:29:41.925 Uh, if this is an internal deed issue, 642 00:29:44.055 --> 00:29:48.315 we don't have, if the developer and the, 643 00:29:48.315 --> 00:29:51.685 and the developer's not getting good at a lot 644 00:29:51.685 --> 00:29:56.365 of things lately, if he decides not to do this, why, 645 00:29:57.305 --> 00:30:00.245 why don't we have some ability to 646 00:30:01.475 --> 00:30:03.245 something more than encourage him 647 00:30:03.245 --> 00:30:04.485 to do what he's supposed to do? 648 00:30:05.425 --> 00:30:07.245 You have the ability to, to do it yourself. 649 00:30:07.525 --> 00:30:08.805 I mean, and if you think about, 650 00:30:08.805 --> 00:30:11.045 think about other communities, at some point 651 00:30:11.705 --> 00:30:14.365 the community gets turned over, whether it's to a CDD, 652 00:30:14.365 --> 00:30:15.925 whether it's to an HOA 653 00:30:16.345 --> 00:30:20.245 and pretty much every community at some point, things such 654 00:30:20.245 --> 00:30:22.725 as deed restrictions and maintenance get turned over. 655 00:30:23.265 --> 00:30:26.885 So this is not unusual for things to get turned over. 656 00:30:27.435 --> 00:30:28.565 This is the first time 657 00:30:28.565 --> 00:30:31.325 that we've really looked at the age restrictions, 658 00:30:31.645 --> 00:30:33.045 specifically the 19 and under, 659 00:30:33.235 --> 00:30:36.325 because it's also part of the, the development, 660 00:30:36.585 --> 00:30:38.805 was it the DRI or the development order? 661 00:30:39.345 --> 00:30:40.885 Um, that is that, 662 00:30:40.905 --> 00:30:43.965 and then chapter one 90 is what allows you to, to do this. 663 00:30:44.585 --> 00:30:46.725 So this is something that, again, 664 00:30:46.785 --> 00:30:49.525 is pretty common in throughout the state of Florida, 665 00:30:49.525 --> 00:30:52.525 whether it's turned over to a CDD or an HOA, um, 666 00:30:53.585 --> 00:30:54.845 but it, it's up to the board. 667 00:30:54.985 --> 00:30:57.165 You're, you have the ability to do it. 668 00:30:57.305 --> 00:30:58.725 You have the ability not to, 669 00:30:58.905 --> 00:31:03.125 but certainly understand that, um, you know, like you said, 670 00:31:03.225 --> 00:31:05.085 if the developer isn't going to do it 671 00:31:05.145 --> 00:31:07.885 or if the developer isn't doing it the way the residents 672 00:31:07.885 --> 00:31:10.765 like, um, then it's up to you. 673 00:31:11.025 --> 00:31:12.085 You don't have to do this. 674 00:31:12.225 --> 00:31:16.045 Now you can say, we don't think that we have a a problem. 675 00:31:16.185 --> 00:31:19.405 We don't want to do this. Now you can go ahead 676 00:31:19.405 --> 00:31:21.445 and adopt it in case one comes up. 677 00:31:21.905 --> 00:31:26.125 Uh, Mr. Armstrong sent me the stats for District 12. 678 00:31:26.625 --> 00:31:28.645 And in the last three years 679 00:31:37.165 --> 00:31:42.065 You had, um, in 2023, you had 680 00:31:42.725 --> 00:31:46.705 six complaints for children living in the home 681 00:31:46.705 --> 00:31:47.825 that are 19 or under. 682 00:31:48.365 --> 00:31:49.985 And of those one 683 00:31:49.985 --> 00:31:52.545 of them there were submitted three times the same address. 684 00:31:52.845 --> 00:31:55.785 So you potentially had three addresses 685 00:31:55.785 --> 00:31:59.865 where we got complaints in 2024, 686 00:32:00.285 --> 00:32:05.065 we had 15, but again, we had the same address 687 00:32:05.625 --> 00:32:07.865 multiple times by either the same 688 00:32:07.925 --> 00:32:10.545 or different, um, individuals. 689 00:32:10.885 --> 00:32:14.065 In May we had four, but it was for the same property. 690 00:32:14.565 --> 00:32:17.105 And then in 2025 we've had one. 691 00:32:17.845 --> 00:32:20.505 So this isn't a huge issue 692 00:32:20.695 --> 00:32:22.545 that we see throughout the villages, 693 00:32:22.565 --> 00:32:25.385 but I'll tell you the, the people who were living next 694 00:32:25.385 --> 00:32:28.825 to the school bus that's dropping them off, they, again, 695 00:32:28.825 --> 00:32:30.945 they will call community standards over 696 00:32:31.005 --> 00:32:32.265 and over and over again. 697 00:32:32.595 --> 00:32:34.265 Right now what we do is we forward 698 00:32:34.375 --> 00:32:36.105 that complaint onto the developer 699 00:32:36.605 --> 00:32:40.245 and the developer sends a letter. 700 00:32:40.625 --> 00:32:44.525 And that, to my knowledge is, is pretty much what happens. 701 00:32:45.185 --> 00:32:48.525 Um, but again, it, it's completely up up to the board. 702 00:32:48.865 --> 00:32:51.325 If you decide to move forward with this, then 703 00:32:51.325 --> 00:32:53.285 what you would do is just like the other one we would 704 00:32:53.285 --> 00:32:55.845 advertise for a public hearing, it would be part 705 00:32:55.845 --> 00:32:59.205 of the same public hearing, um, that we just talked about. 706 00:32:59.825 --> 00:33:03.005 But at that point, you would encourage residents to come 707 00:33:03.225 --> 00:33:05.045 and voice their opinion as to whether 708 00:33:05.045 --> 00:33:07.205 or not they want you to do this. 709 00:33:08.025 --> 00:33:09.685 If I may, uh, I'm with you. 710 00:33:09.845 --> 00:33:11.045 I think we're just opening a can 711 00:33:11.045 --> 00:33:12.725 of worms here, to be honest with you. 712 00:33:13.055 --> 00:33:15.325 We're gonna be taking the heat that belongs elsewhere. 713 00:33:15.995 --> 00:33:17.285 Well, it's gonna come 714 00:33:17.285 --> 00:33:19.565 Down to the complainant To, pardon? I'm sorry. 715 00:33:19.955 --> 00:33:21.645 It's gonna come down to the complainant 716 00:33:21.665 --> 00:33:22.725 to stand up for it. 717 00:33:23.155 --> 00:33:25.045 It's not us. It's gonna fall back 718 00:33:25.385 --> 00:33:27.045 to the complainant filing the 719 00:33:27.205 --> 00:33:28.645 Complaint, but not really us. 720 00:33:28.755 --> 00:33:30.245 Yeah, we're, we're gonna be the enforcer. 721 00:33:31.145 --> 00:33:35.725 Uh, you know, uh, you have a DA issues, 722 00:33:36.505 --> 00:33:41.245 you have, uh, court quarter issues, you have all kinds 723 00:33:41.245 --> 00:33:43.765 of other ramifications where, you know, 724 00:33:43.865 --> 00:33:46.445 and I know a situation where as I heard 725 00:33:46.755 --> 00:33:48.845 that the residents were grandparents 726 00:33:48.945 --> 00:33:50.325 and there was an issue with the children 727 00:33:50.505 --> 00:33:52.605 and the court said, you know, place them 728 00:33:52.845 --> 00:33:55.485 with the grandparents pending blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 729 00:33:55.485 --> 00:33:57.165 And that extended 'cause, you know, it takes forever. 730 00:33:58.585 --> 00:34:00.765 Uh, personally, I don't want to get involved in this. 731 00:34:01.465 --> 00:34:02.885 Uh, I think that the, uh, 732 00:34:03.075 --> 00:34:05.925 mechanism is there for enforcement. 733 00:34:06.465 --> 00:34:08.365 Uh, and that is with the developer. 734 00:34:08.785 --> 00:34:11.525 If the developer chooses not to do that, then I think 735 00:34:11.805 --> 00:34:13.765 that the residents are gonna have to, you know, 736 00:34:13.905 --> 00:34:15.245 figure something else out. 737 00:34:15.545 --> 00:34:17.805 If I, if I have a neighbor 738 00:34:18.875 --> 00:34:21.045 that this is creating a nuisance, 739 00:34:21.245 --> 00:34:22.405 I have some remedies there. 740 00:34:23.145 --> 00:34:26.045 You know, if the kids are getting off the school bus running 741 00:34:26.065 --> 00:34:28.845 in my yard, chasing the dog over there, blah, blah, blah, 742 00:34:28.845 --> 00:34:33.005 blah, blah, uh, i, I have other avenues that I can pursue. 743 00:34:33.825 --> 00:34:36.925 Uh, but we're gonna get into, 744 00:34:36.975 --> 00:34:39.285 we're opening a Pandora's box here. 745 00:34:39.945 --> 00:34:43.005 Uh, and, uh, I think that, you know, I, I go along with 746 00:34:43.005 --> 00:34:44.645 what we talked about before with a neat 747 00:34:44.645 --> 00:34:48.285 and clean that I think makes sense, you know, 748 00:34:48.545 --> 00:34:50.525 but now we're getting into family issues. 749 00:34:50.525 --> 00:34:51.805 We're getting into other issues 750 00:34:51.875 --> 00:34:54.085 that I personally do not want to get involved with. 751 00:34:54.785 --> 00:34:56.325 Not to mention cost mark, 752 00:34:56.385 --> 00:34:58.925 or this is gonna be expensive, is it not? 753 00:35:01.305 --> 00:35:02.805 I'm not sure what the cost is gonna be. 754 00:35:03.005 --> 00:35:04.925 Actually, I'm not sure if we've actually looked at that yet. 755 00:35:04.925 --> 00:35:07.085 But with regard to your hearings, I mean, 756 00:35:07.465 --> 00:35:09.405 you have hearings now in front of the, uh, 757 00:35:09.405 --> 00:35:11.605 hearing officer on other deed compliance cases. 758 00:35:12.425 --> 00:35:14.245 So I guess it's just a matter of, um, 759 00:35:15.155 --> 00:35:16.405 what the ultimate outcome is 760 00:35:16.405 --> 00:35:17.605 and how many complaints you end up 761 00:35:17.605 --> 00:35:18.685 getting and proceeding with. 762 00:35:19.315 --> 00:35:22.165 Yeah. The, the cost would not be any more than any 763 00:35:22.165 --> 00:35:23.205 other deed restriction. 764 00:35:23.505 --> 00:35:26.805 So it, it really, again, if your, 765 00:35:27.435 --> 00:35:30.285 your normal community standards is 766 00:35:30.795 --> 00:35:34.285 allocated based on the number of complaint, 767 00:35:34.285 --> 00:35:35.885 is it complaints or restrictions? 768 00:35:35.895 --> 00:35:37.005 Complaints Received. 769 00:35:37.385 --> 00:35:41.445 So complaints received, and then, um, public hearings. 770 00:35:41.705 --> 00:35:44.925 So if you have, again, so far we've had 771 00:35:45.465 --> 00:35:48.165 one complaint this year for the age restriction. 772 00:35:48.225 --> 00:35:50.525 If that would've gone to public hearing, then you would've, 773 00:35:50.545 --> 00:35:52.925 you would've had that Knowing though, that 774 00:35:54.375 --> 00:35:57.745 when a complaint comes in, we are going to be very, 775 00:35:59.205 --> 00:36:01.945 um, open with the homeowner that we have. 776 00:36:02.205 --> 00:36:03.305 We have to take your name 777 00:36:03.845 --> 00:36:05.425 and we will send all of the letters. 778 00:36:05.485 --> 00:36:07.905 All of the letters were will come from community standards. 779 00:36:07.925 --> 00:36:08.985 And we're not going to put the 780 00:36:08.985 --> 00:36:10.185 homeowner's name in the letter. 781 00:36:10.385 --> 00:36:13.145 I mean, we are going to say that we received a complaint 782 00:36:13.145 --> 00:36:14.425 that this is the violation. 783 00:36:14.885 --> 00:36:17.385 Um, it is going to come before a public hearing, 784 00:36:17.605 --> 00:36:20.425 but at that point, we will be open with the homeowner 785 00:36:20.425 --> 00:36:22.305 that you would have to be the one that gets up 786 00:36:22.405 --> 00:36:26.105 and testifies, swears that you're going to tell the truth 787 00:36:26.365 --> 00:36:27.785 to the special hearing officer. 788 00:36:27.895 --> 00:36:30.465 That that person, that child does in fact live in the home. 789 00:36:31.425 --> 00:36:33.505 I, so I, I wouldn't necessarily look at 790 00:36:33.505 --> 00:36:34.545 it from a cost perspective. 791 00:36:34.705 --> 00:36:35.825 I think it's going to be minimal. 792 00:36:36.165 --> 00:36:38.785 But I do understand all of the other points 793 00:36:38.785 --> 00:36:40.305 that you're putting out and that whether 794 00:36:40.305 --> 00:36:42.265 or not this is something you want to get involved with. 795 00:36:42.485 --> 00:36:44.945 Yep. Do they have to disclose their name now? 796 00:36:45.485 --> 00:36:47.585 Uh, to the, do they file a complaint? Yes. 797 00:36:47.585 --> 00:36:49.425 Right now, district 12 requires name, 798 00:36:49.425 --> 00:36:50.745 address, and telephone number. 799 00:36:50.965 --> 00:36:54.305 So, okay. So the, the developer would require them 800 00:36:54.405 --> 00:36:56.665 to identify themselves as a complainant? 801 00:36:57.005 --> 00:36:59.985 No, the, so the developer does not require anything. 802 00:37:00.325 --> 00:37:03.665 You as District 12 require that people provide their, 803 00:37:03.835 --> 00:37:06.825 their information for you to accept any complaint. 804 00:37:06.845 --> 00:37:10.145 So if somebody calls about a lawn ornament, you require us 805 00:37:10.145 --> 00:37:11.865 to take their information. 806 00:37:12.125 --> 00:37:13.665 The developer does not require that. 807 00:37:13.845 --> 00:37:18.825 So if I have a complaint, uh, of a underage resident, uh, 808 00:37:18.955 --> 00:37:20.065 today, you know, 809 00:37:20.065 --> 00:37:24.425 before any of this, uh, we're talking about, uh, 810 00:37:24.845 --> 00:37:26.785 do I, who do I call? 811 00:37:27.405 --> 00:37:29.305 You would call community standards. Correct. 812 00:37:29.405 --> 00:37:32.105 And then they send an email to the developer that says, 813 00:37:32.285 --> 00:37:33.505 we received a complaint 814 00:37:33.505 --> 00:37:36.105 that a child is living at 1 2 3 Main Street. 815 00:37:36.525 --> 00:37:39.755 But I am not identified. Not unless you want to be. 816 00:37:40.245 --> 00:37:42.675 Right. Well, don't, don't you take, 817 00:37:42.675 --> 00:37:45.435 when you receive a complaint, don't you take name 818 00:37:45.855 --> 00:37:48.035 and address and telephone number regardless 819 00:37:48.135 --> 00:37:49.595 of what the complaint is? Yeah. 820 00:37:50.175 --> 00:37:52.235 For District 12, we do. 821 00:37:52.255 --> 00:37:53.875 For the ones that you enforce, 822 00:37:54.535 --> 00:37:56.755 the developer does not require that. Alright, 823 00:37:57.175 --> 00:38:00.515 My, my reading this first off, uh, 824 00:38:00.995 --> 00:38:04.255 I just have a question about, in new definition 825 00:38:04.255 --> 00:38:06.135 for standards, the purpose of these 826 00:38:06.655 --> 00:38:10.415 external deed restriction standards definitions. 827 00:38:11.315 --> 00:38:13.815 So this would, even though it's internal, 828 00:38:14.005 --> 00:38:15.895 this would come under our external 829 00:38:16.725 --> 00:38:18.175 deed restriction standards. 830 00:38:19.535 --> 00:38:20.635 We would change that name 831 00:38:20.635 --> 00:38:22.395 to your deed restriction standards. 832 00:38:22.465 --> 00:38:24.515 Okay. We've change the title of the document 833 00:38:25.055 --> 00:38:26.995 and the other thing, what, what do other 834 00:38:27.585 --> 00:38:31.275 special districts do outside of the villages? 835 00:38:31.695 --> 00:38:35.885 Do they have, uh, somebody's gotta be charged 836 00:38:35.995 --> 00:38:39.285 with enforcing age 55 restrictions 837 00:38:39.465 --> 00:38:41.845 for all age 55 communities, 838 00:38:41.945 --> 00:38:45.805 but other, uh, you know, developers 839 00:38:46.025 --> 00:38:49.045 and districts that have the same governance as we do, 840 00:38:49.465 --> 00:38:50.725 how do they deal with this? 841 00:38:52.305 --> 00:38:55.285 So we have done a lot of research on, 842 00:38:55.505 --> 00:38:59.485 and Mr. Armstrong has called multiple communities 843 00:38:59.485 --> 00:39:02.765 and special districts about how they do not necessarily 844 00:39:02.835 --> 00:39:04.365 with this deed restriction, 845 00:39:04.505 --> 00:39:05.965 but deed restrictions in general. 846 00:39:06.425 --> 00:39:09.045 And I will tell you that we have not been able to find one 847 00:39:09.195 --> 00:39:13.925 that does anything even remotely comparable to what we do. 848 00:39:14.625 --> 00:39:17.365 You have a very, very complex 849 00:39:17.745 --> 00:39:21.245 and, um, complete system in which 850 00:39:21.985 --> 00:39:23.765 has been developed from nothing. 851 00:39:24.115 --> 00:39:26.925 When the state statute chapter one 90 was changed, 852 00:39:27.315 --> 00:39:30.245 that allowed special districts to enforce seat restrictions, 853 00:39:30.715 --> 00:39:32.685 that was the first time in the state of Florida 854 00:39:32.685 --> 00:39:33.725 that that had happened. 855 00:39:33.985 --> 00:39:36.445 So there was no model to go off of. 856 00:39:36.575 --> 00:39:38.765 There was no example for us to follow. 857 00:39:39.265 --> 00:39:41.965 We had to create that from scratch. 858 00:39:42.665 --> 00:39:45.285 And it has been changed and modified as you go. 859 00:39:45.745 --> 00:39:47.045 But we are the example. 860 00:39:47.545 --> 00:39:51.685 So we are the ones that other communities call to find out 861 00:39:51.705 --> 00:39:53.205 how we are doing it so 862 00:39:53.205 --> 00:39:54.885 that they can start building their model. 863 00:39:54.885 --> 00:39:58.605 Correct. In most communities that you have HOAs, again, 864 00:39:58.945 --> 00:40:02.565 the developer develops everything, switches to the HOA, 865 00:40:02.625 --> 00:40:04.125 the HOA enforces everything, 866 00:40:04.385 --> 00:40:06.325 and they go on about their business. 867 00:40:07.235 --> 00:40:10.485 Okay. You, you said 23, we had six complaints. 868 00:40:10.485 --> 00:40:13.405 24, we had 24 complaints. 869 00:40:13.955 --> 00:40:17.605 That suggests to me that maybe the six weren't solved in 23, 870 00:40:18.025 --> 00:40:19.885 but in 25 we only had one. 871 00:40:19.985 --> 00:40:22.325 Do we know if those complaints were remedi 872 00:40:22.585 --> 00:40:26.105 or do we still have the same conditions? 873 00:40:26.245 --> 00:40:30.025 Do we still have those under 19 living here? What? 874 00:40:30.565 --> 00:40:33.385 So the 2024 complaints, actually the residents came 875 00:40:33.385 --> 00:40:35.065 to this board and we, you know, worked 876 00:40:35.065 --> 00:40:36.345 with them on going to the developer. 877 00:40:36.925 --> 00:40:39.505 The 15 complaints received last year. 878 00:40:40.105 --> 00:40:42.065 14 of the 15 were on the same address. 879 00:40:42.205 --> 00:40:44.625 And my understanding is the homeowner moved, um, 880 00:40:45.005 --> 00:40:46.585 and moved, moved away from the district. 881 00:40:46.585 --> 00:40:49.425 They moved, they moved. So I, I know that one. 882 00:40:49.465 --> 00:40:51.825 I don't know about the other ones in relation to that one, 883 00:40:51.825 --> 00:40:54.345 but I just know the one that was heavily publicized here, 884 00:40:54.345 --> 00:40:55.425 especially for this board, they, 885 00:40:55.615 --> 00:40:58.545 Okay, so the developer does not tell you, does not 886 00:40:59.325 --> 00:41:01.865 extend the courtesy to the district to say if 887 00:41:01.865 --> 00:41:04.105 We ask, if we ask, they do, 888 00:41:04.245 --> 00:41:07.425 but they don't just randomly let us know, 889 00:41:07.895 --> 00:41:11.185 generally speaking, their enforcement is to send letters. 890 00:41:12.605 --> 00:41:14.465 Are they cooperative if you were to ask 891 00:41:15.005 --> 00:41:16.005 The developer? Yeah. 892 00:41:16.005 --> 00:41:18.505 As far as asking for an update? Yeah. Oh, yes. Okay. 893 00:41:18.505 --> 00:41:20.865 Yeah, if we ask for an update, they provide us 894 00:41:20.895 --> 00:41:22.065 with anything that they have. 895 00:41:23.085 --> 00:41:26.985 So if, if, if I understand this, this proposed change, 896 00:41:28.005 --> 00:41:30.945 uh, is certainly very different from 897 00:41:30.945 --> 00:41:32.025 what the developer does. 898 00:41:32.085 --> 00:41:36.245 The developer, as you've indicated, spends, sends, 899 00:41:36.305 --> 00:41:37.365 uh, a letter. 900 00:41:38.965 --> 00:41:43.255 This, this rule seems hugely complex 901 00:41:43.595 --> 00:41:45.615 and perhaps that's necessary legally, 902 00:41:47.145 --> 00:41:50.365 but I wonder if any 903 00:41:51.885 --> 00:41:54.605 neighbor could meet the burden of proof that this 904 00:41:55.565 --> 00:41:56.695 rule requires. 905 00:41:57.255 --> 00:42:00.895 I mean, it, it, you know, if you're saying that, uh, 906 00:42:00.895 --> 00:42:04.535 community standards can only testify that a child gets on 907 00:42:04.535 --> 00:42:08.895 and off the bus, how, how can a neighbor testify 908 00:42:09.125 --> 00:42:10.855 that the child lives there 909 00:42:11.665 --> 00:42:13.765 and has lived there for more than 30 days? 910 00:42:15.325 --> 00:42:17.925 I, I just don't see how this could be enforced. 911 00:42:20.425 --> 00:42:21.885 It, it's not going to be easy. 912 00:42:22.265 --> 00:42:24.445 The, and it, again, it, it really isn't. 913 00:42:24.445 --> 00:42:27.845 This is not going to be an easy situation or, 914 00:42:27.945 --> 00:42:29.725 or fun for anybody involved, 915 00:42:31.505 --> 00:42:35.765 but when, when it comes to the public hearing, 916 00:42:37.655 --> 00:42:39.755 it is going to be the 917 00:42:40.315 --> 00:42:41.915 complainant against the property owner. 918 00:42:42.135 --> 00:42:43.955 And you at least have the benefit 919 00:42:44.025 --> 00:42:45.795 that your public hearings are held 920 00:42:46.535 --> 00:42:47.875 by a special hearing officer. 921 00:42:48.715 --> 00:42:50.035 She is a retired judge. 922 00:42:50.375 --> 00:42:54.635 So she is very used to seeing these type of situations, um, 923 00:42:54.635 --> 00:42:59.415 which is helpful because not everybody is used to having 924 00:43:00.275 --> 00:43:03.015 to, to render a verdict in these type of situations. 925 00:43:03.675 --> 00:43:05.535 Um, but it, it really is going 926 00:43:05.535 --> 00:43:07.095 to be the complaint versus the homeowner. 927 00:43:07.315 --> 00:43:09.975 And if the complainant says, I see the, 928 00:43:10.115 --> 00:43:12.815 the child there in the afternoon every day, 929 00:43:12.875 --> 00:43:16.335 and I see the child there in the morning every morning, 930 00:43:16.445 --> 00:43:18.935 therefore I'm willing to testify that 931 00:43:18.935 --> 00:43:21.055 that person is staying there for 24 hours 932 00:43:21.355 --> 00:43:23.095 for longer than 30 days at a time. 933 00:43:24.475 --> 00:43:27.455 The homeowner says, well, my, 934 00:43:27.795 --> 00:43:29.735 my grandchild gets off the bus. 935 00:43:30.035 --> 00:43:33.415 And then their mother picks them up at 9:00 PM at night, um, 936 00:43:33.605 --> 00:43:35.055 when she gets home from work 937 00:43:35.475 --> 00:43:38.215 and then drops her back off to catch the bus in the morning, 938 00:43:38.605 --> 00:43:39.735 then at that point it's going 939 00:43:39.735 --> 00:43:43.215 to be at the social hearing officer to determine whether 940 00:43:43.315 --> 00:43:45.095 or not a violation exists. 941 00:43:45.395 --> 00:43:46.575 So, Carrie, help me here. 942 00:43:46.995 --> 00:43:50.175 So is the determination of the hearing officer 943 00:43:50.815 --> 00:43:52.095 a final adjudication, 944 00:43:52.275 --> 00:43:54.655 or do they have the right to then come back to this board 945 00:43:54.655 --> 00:43:55.975 and say, we want to appeal to you. 946 00:43:57.055 --> 00:44:00.145 They can appeal to you. So ultimately we could end up 947 00:44:00.675 --> 00:44:03.545 doing that or not in order? 948 00:44:04.685 --> 00:44:06.865 No, I I don't think there's an appeal process for that. 949 00:44:06.965 --> 00:44:08.705 Uh, and that's why you have the, the hearing master 950 00:44:08.845 --> 00:44:10.025 to address all those issues. 951 00:44:10.085 --> 00:44:12.185 The only thing that the property owner could do would be 952 00:44:12.185 --> 00:44:15.345 to come to you and ask you to change a rule, um, to permit 953 00:44:15.865 --> 00:44:18.265 whatever it is that they're doing or to reconsider. 954 00:44:18.925 --> 00:44:21.545 Um, but no, in order to do anything other than 955 00:44:21.545 --> 00:44:22.745 that, they'd have to file a lawsuit. 956 00:44:23.655 --> 00:44:27.065 Yeah. So the buck stops with a hearing officer and then 957 00:44:27.315 --> 00:44:29.625 after that we're, we're out of it. 958 00:44:29.815 --> 00:44:34.695 Correct. Well, if, if when you say the buck stops, 959 00:44:34.875 --> 00:44:38.815 the buck stops with a hearing officer, I, I would presume, 960 00:44:38.835 --> 00:44:42.375 and please correct me, that anyone can go to court 961 00:44:42.435 --> 00:44:46.735 and sue for anything so that the person, uh, 962 00:44:46.995 --> 00:44:51.255 who is complained against could, could go to court 963 00:44:52.395 --> 00:44:56.145 and this whole process might be overturned, 964 00:44:57.205 --> 00:44:58.985 but not the, not the process itself, 965 00:44:59.005 --> 00:45:00.545 but the individual complaint. 966 00:45:01.925 --> 00:45:02.925 So, 967 00:45:03.215 --> 00:45:05.105 Well, I mean, again, it's, it's, it's hard to, 968 00:45:05.445 --> 00:45:09.145 to think about situations that haven't arisen yet. 969 00:45:09.325 --> 00:45:10.905 You know, it really all depends on 970 00:45:11.015 --> 00:45:12.225 what the facts of the case are. 971 00:45:12.285 --> 00:45:16.425 You know, I go to these hearings, um, judge Neil as, as Ms. 972 00:45:16.425 --> 00:45:18.545 Duckett stated, is, is very familiar with this. 973 00:45:18.765 --> 00:45:21.465 Uh, she was a county court judge, uh, when she was a lawyer. 974 00:45:21.485 --> 00:45:23.025 She did a lot of HOA law, things like that. 975 00:45:23.045 --> 00:45:26.065 So she's very familiar how this, with how this works. 976 00:45:27.005 --> 00:45:29.815 Um, yeah, I mean, you know, 977 00:45:29.855 --> 00:45:31.615 I think you have all the information in front of you 978 00:45:31.615 --> 00:45:32.855 that we can provide at this point. 979 00:45:32.975 --> 00:45:36.335 I understand the issue, potential issue with enforcement, 980 00:45:36.355 --> 00:45:38.655 but again, it's sworn testimony. 981 00:45:38.835 --> 00:45:40.135 You know, it's gonna be a property 982 00:45:40.135 --> 00:45:41.175 owner versus a complainant. 983 00:45:41.635 --> 00:45:43.695 Um, and the judge, judge Neil will have 984 00:45:43.695 --> 00:45:45.335 to weigh the evidence like she did as a judge 985 00:45:45.475 --> 00:45:46.815 and decide based on the evidence 986 00:45:46.835 --> 00:45:48.375 and the testimony, who she believes 987 00:45:48.375 --> 00:45:50.255 and who she doesn't, and then enter an order. 988 00:45:50.565 --> 00:45:51.975 It's, uh, just like going to court. 989 00:45:53.075 --> 00:45:54.335 So, mark, let me ask you this. 990 00:45:54.915 --> 00:45:57.975 Uh, under the present situation, if a 991 00:45:58.855 --> 00:46:03.335 property owner has a complaint, uh, could they, uh, 992 00:46:03.555 --> 00:46:08.135 go directly to court, uh, and sue the neighbor? 993 00:46:08.515 --> 00:46:12.695 Yes. So that we're kind 994 00:46:12.695 --> 00:46:14.015 of duplicating that a little bit here. 995 00:46:14.015 --> 00:46:15.015 Are we not? I mean, there, 996 00:46:15.165 --> 00:46:17.935 Well, you would just be doing it, um, as far as an order 997 00:46:17.935 --> 00:46:19.095 of enforcement being entered against 998 00:46:19.155 --> 00:46:20.415 the, uh, property owner. 999 00:46:20.415 --> 00:46:24.695 But you're not filing a lawsuit in court to ask the court 1000 00:46:24.715 --> 00:46:27.415 to enjoin or to require that they remove, um, 1001 00:46:27.445 --> 00:46:28.655 anybody under 19. 1002 00:46:29.115 --> 00:46:30.735 You're doing what you do with everything else, 1003 00:46:30.845 --> 00:46:31.855 with lawn maintenance, 1004 00:46:31.855 --> 00:46:33.495 with lawn ornaments and things like that. 1005 00:46:33.755 --> 00:46:35.255 You just enter an order of enforcement. 1006 00:46:35.635 --> 00:46:37.775 Uh, if they don't comply, you record it, it becomes a claim 1007 00:46:37.775 --> 00:46:39.655 of lien and it sits there 1008 00:46:39.755 --> 00:46:43.055 unless you decide at some point in time you direct me 1009 00:46:43.075 --> 00:46:44.415 or my firm to file a lawsuit. 1010 00:46:45.035 --> 00:46:46.035 It just sits there. 1011 00:46:47.285 --> 00:46:50.855 Okay. And again, this is, this is the same exact thing 1012 00:46:50.855 --> 00:46:52.735 that you do for all of your other, all 1013 00:46:52.735 --> 00:46:53.775 of the other deed restrictions. 1014 00:46:53.775 --> 00:46:55.655 This one is more of a sensitive nature, 1015 00:46:56.235 --> 00:47:00.615 but the process is the exact same as far as Mr. 1016 00:47:00.795 --> 00:47:03.335 Briana said, you enter into an order of enforcement, 1017 00:47:04.025 --> 00:47:06.855 fines can be levied, a lien can be placed on the property, 1018 00:47:07.315 --> 00:47:10.095 and then at some point, if you would like to file a lawsuit, 1019 00:47:10.275 --> 00:47:13.015 you can, based on the, the amount of fines. 1020 00:47:13.435 --> 00:47:16.615 But this is, this is just one more deed restriction 1021 00:47:16.615 --> 00:47:17.975 that you would be enforcing. 1022 00:47:19.075 --> 00:47:21.925 Just like the neat and clean lawn ornaments, 1023 00:47:22.765 --> 00:47:25.605 I might feel, I wanna leave it with the developer, 1024 00:47:25.785 --> 00:47:28.405 not get into it. I 1025 00:47:28.405 --> 00:47:30.285 Want stay with the developer 1026 00:47:30.905 --> 00:47:35.125 and let the developer do is let the des restriction 1027 00:47:35.125 --> 00:47:36.685 for this go through the developer. 1028 00:47:37.275 --> 00:47:38.765 Well, ideally, I think that's right. 1029 00:47:38.865 --> 00:47:41.325 But what if the developer doesn't do it? It's my problem. 1030 00:47:41.465 --> 00:47:42.925 And I'm, I'm listening to Carrie 1031 00:47:43.305 --> 00:47:44.685 and I learned a little something there. 1032 00:47:44.865 --> 00:47:48.565 If in the state of Florida, eventually the developer says, 1033 00:47:48.585 --> 00:47:50.165 that's your baby, not mine. 1034 00:47:50.905 --> 00:47:53.285 You rock it, I don't rock it. Right? 1035 00:47:53.625 --> 00:47:55.725 If it passes it on to an HOA 1036 00:47:55.785 --> 00:47:59.405 or in this instance to A CDD, it, it, uh, 1037 00:48:00.905 --> 00:48:03.165 The o the only thing I can tell you is that the, 1038 00:48:03.225 --> 00:48:05.165 the developer does not lose the right 1039 00:48:05.305 --> 00:48:06.925 to enforce the deed restrictions. 1040 00:48:07.315 --> 00:48:10.765 However, once a district is eligible, eligible 1041 00:48:10.785 --> 00:48:14.085 to adopt a rule for all of the rules 1042 00:48:14.195 --> 00:48:16.045 that the districts can adopt, 1043 00:48:16.225 --> 00:48:19.125 the developer typically does not enforce those. 1044 00:48:19.155 --> 00:48:22.685 They, he allows that to be through the residents process. 1045 00:48:23.625 --> 00:48:26.365 So can the developer enforce a law 1046 00:48:26.365 --> 00:48:29.165 and ornament deed restriction in District 12? 1047 00:48:29.345 --> 00:48:31.685 Yes. Does that typically happen? 1048 00:48:32.545 --> 00:48:34.925 No, because that is being done at the district level. 1049 00:48:35.505 --> 00:48:38.845 So while I, I don't know what the future holds, 1050 00:48:38.845 --> 00:48:41.205 but I can tell you throughout the community, 1051 00:48:41.645 --> 00:48:44.485 although the developer never loses, the ability to enforce, 1052 00:48:45.355 --> 00:48:47.965 they typically don't enforce 1053 00:48:48.585 --> 00:48:51.125 is once the districts have the ability to enforce. 1054 00:48:53.125 --> 00:48:54.485 I, um, yeah. 1055 00:48:54.545 --> 00:48:57.085 And, and I agree, uh, that that's kind of the case. 1056 00:48:57.245 --> 00:49:00.925 I, I went through a CDD turnover situation in Orlando. 1057 00:49:01.485 --> 00:49:04.485 I went through an HOA turnover situation in Orlando at the 1058 00:49:04.485 --> 00:49:07.205 same time, or not the same time, but the same context. 1059 00:49:08.185 --> 00:49:10.565 Uh, and it, it's, it's a can of worms. 1060 00:49:10.605 --> 00:49:12.045 I mean, it, it just, it really is. 1061 00:49:12.705 --> 00:49:16.765 And, and I can tell you that, uh, turnover is fine, 1062 00:49:17.385 --> 00:49:19.845 but, uh, you know, we've had, we had 1063 00:49:19.845 --> 00:49:22.805 to file callback lawsuits and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 1064 00:49:22.805 --> 00:49:24.085 And it was just a, you know, a mess. 1065 00:49:24.205 --> 00:49:25.965 I mean, we, we ended up prevailing in the end, 1066 00:49:26.185 --> 00:49:27.565 but it was a long drawn process. 1067 00:49:28.085 --> 00:49:30.685 I, I just personally, again, I don't think we'd need 1068 00:49:30.685 --> 00:49:32.325 to undertake this at this point in time. 1069 00:49:32.575 --> 00:49:35.885 Maybe down the road, uh, depending on what happens, uh, 1070 00:49:35.895 --> 00:49:37.365 maybe we would have to consider that. 1071 00:49:37.425 --> 00:49:39.125 But at this point in time, I don't see 1072 00:49:39.125 --> 00:49:40.165 the necessity personally. 1073 00:49:41.225 --> 00:49:44.205 So as a board, are we in favor of doing this 1074 00:49:44.265 --> 00:49:46.485 or we do we want to just put it to the side? 1075 00:49:48.175 --> 00:49:50.785 Well, my, my position is we just don't get there, 1076 00:49:52.265 --> 00:49:53.265 Dale. 1077 00:49:53.445 --> 00:49:54.985 My position is, I, I would rather 1078 00:49:54.985 --> 00:49:56.025 the board not have to do it. 1079 00:49:56.085 --> 00:49:57.985 But if it's, if it's gotta be done 1080 00:49:57.985 --> 00:49:59.745 and somebody's got a legitimate complaint 1081 00:49:59.745 --> 00:50:00.905 and it has to be enforced, 1082 00:50:01.165 --> 00:50:03.625 and if it falls on the purview of the board, 1083 00:50:03.625 --> 00:50:05.025 then I think the board has to do it. 1084 00:50:05.825 --> 00:50:10.145 I don't, I can see this, of course, I didn't know the staff. 1085 00:50:10.385 --> 00:50:12.185 I appreciate the, the, the numbers there. 1086 00:50:13.325 --> 00:50:17.385 But again, I was under the opinion that this is something 1087 00:50:17.415 --> 00:50:20.225 that, that developer would do to protect the fact 1088 00:50:20.225 --> 00:50:24.225 that he's advertising a 55 plus community with rules 1089 00:50:25.125 --> 00:50:28.845 and all of a sudden it's a 55 plus community 1090 00:50:29.435 --> 00:50:32.685 with un enforced rules, then I hate for that 1091 00:50:32.685 --> 00:50:33.845 to fall on this board. 1092 00:50:33.945 --> 00:50:35.685 But if that's the way it works in Florida, 1093 00:50:36.165 --> 00:50:38.925 I guess somewhere down the line, we may have to accept 1094 00:50:38.925 --> 00:50:40.085 that. I, I don't know. 1095 00:50:40.345 --> 00:50:43.645 And, and I don't, I don't wanna, I it's not, let tell you 1096 00:50:43.645 --> 00:50:45.125 that's the way it works in Florida. 1097 00:50:45.315 --> 00:50:49.245 It's just generally speaking, when there's deed restrictions 1098 00:50:49.345 --> 00:50:52.765 and you have a developer that develops something, typically, 1099 00:50:52.765 --> 00:50:54.325 again, it's not just deed restrictions, 1100 00:50:54.385 --> 00:50:56.485 but everything eventually gets turned over 1101 00:50:56.865 --> 00:50:58.965 to whether it's an HOA or CDD 1102 00:50:59.075 --> 00:51:02.285 because this developer is unique. 1103 00:51:02.745 --> 00:51:05.525 You don't typically have developers that are still 1104 00:51:05.525 --> 00:51:06.645 around 30 years later. 1105 00:51:07.145 --> 00:51:09.605 If you look at any of the surrounding communities 1106 00:51:09.605 --> 00:51:12.725 and developments, typically the developer develops 1107 00:51:12.725 --> 00:51:14.645 and then they move on and they develop somewhere else. 1108 00:51:14.995 --> 00:51:16.605 This developer is unique in 1109 00:51:16.605 --> 00:51:19.645 that they have made this their, their life. 1110 00:51:19.675 --> 00:51:22.565 This is their development and they're here a lot longer. 1111 00:51:23.065 --> 00:51:25.725 Longer. But certainly if again, that, 1112 00:51:25.755 --> 00:51:27.205 that is generally what happens, 1113 00:51:27.795 --> 00:51:28.845 Yeah, we have a quirk here. 1114 00:51:28.845 --> 00:51:31.885 We're 55 and over, which a lot of communities are not, 1115 00:51:31.905 --> 00:51:34.725 you know, where I came from in Orlando was not 55 and over. 1116 00:51:35.625 --> 00:51:36.965 So that, that's kind of a, 1117 00:51:36.965 --> 00:51:38.845 that's quirky thing about this one too. 1118 00:51:39.345 --> 00:51:42.045 So yeah, it's, it's, it's, anyway, I've shut enough. 1119 00:51:42.735 --> 00:51:47.165 Would, would it be appropriate to ask, uh, PA what, uh, 1120 00:51:48.865 --> 00:51:50.455 their thought is on this? Uh, 1121 00:51:50.615 --> 00:51:53.095 I certain I certainly will, will, will see 1122 00:51:53.095 --> 00:51:54.135 to it that it's brought up. 1123 00:51:54.645 --> 00:51:57.415 Yeah. Obviously if it involves every, every district 1124 00:51:57.515 --> 00:52:00.215 and it, PA, I think needs to have a say 1125 00:52:00.395 --> 00:52:03.175 or at least needs to say something, whether they have 1126 00:52:03.175 --> 00:52:05.855 A say It, it wouldn't necessarily be PA 1127 00:52:05.855 --> 00:52:10.415 because PA is not funded through anything having to do 1128 00:52:10.415 --> 00:52:11.415 with deed compliance. 1129 00:52:11.805 --> 00:52:14.815 However, it would probably, you'd probably get a lot 1130 00:52:14.815 --> 00:52:17.215 of good information if you ask from a, I wanna hear 1131 00:52:17.215 --> 00:52:19.015 what the other districts are doing. 1132 00:52:19.595 --> 00:52:21.495 Um, they'd be able to certainly tell you. 1133 00:52:21.655 --> 00:52:24.775 I can tell you, I believe it's district six, um, 1134 00:52:25.115 --> 00:52:29.015 and 11 wanted, nothing wanted. 1135 00:52:29.635 --> 00:52:31.135 11 would hear District six said, 1136 00:52:31.445 --> 00:52:33.175 Okay, bring six doesn't want to hear. 1137 00:52:33.285 --> 00:52:35.135 They didn't even want this presentation. 1138 00:52:35.795 --> 00:52:37.455 So you are the first district 1139 00:52:37.455 --> 00:52:39.455 that we're providing this presentation to. 1140 00:52:39.915 --> 00:52:42.455 Um, so we don't know yet what other districts are going 1141 00:52:42.455 --> 00:52:43.735 to determine if they want 1142 00:52:43.735 --> 00:52:45.335 to amend their rule to include this. 1143 00:52:45.715 --> 00:52:48.495 Um, but district six did not even want this on their agenda. 1144 00:52:48.565 --> 00:52:52.295 Alright. I would move that we move it to September on the, 1145 00:52:52.915 --> 00:52:56.775 on our agenda and see what comes from the other districts. 1146 00:52:57.555 --> 00:52:59.295 Is that agreeable with the board? 1147 00:52:59.965 --> 00:53:01.055 Yeah, we can do a survey. 1148 00:53:01.435 --> 00:53:04.215 Uh, yeah, it would be interesting information. 1149 00:53:04.335 --> 00:53:05.655 I don't know if it changes much, 1150 00:53:05.675 --> 00:53:06.815 but I think it would be interesting. 1151 00:53:08.615 --> 00:53:12.935 I have no problem with that, but I have, 1152 00:53:13.015 --> 00:53:14.015 I have a couple of comments. 1153 00:53:14.795 --> 00:53:19.415 Um, I, I agree that this is second of worms 1154 00:53:20.035 --> 00:53:22.615 and I agree that this document appears 1155 00:53:22.615 --> 00:53:23.775 to be overly complicated. 1156 00:53:24.635 --> 00:53:27.645 Uh, in a previous life when I was chairman 1157 00:53:27.705 --> 00:53:31.165 of District seven, we had instances similar to this 1158 00:53:31.805 --> 00:53:33.225 and they seemed to just go away. 1159 00:53:34.045 --> 00:53:38.425 Um, and I, the two that I can recall specifically, one 1160 00:53:39.285 --> 00:53:44.195 was that a single parent, the court ordered 1161 00:53:44.855 --> 00:53:48.755 the, uh, children to instance 1162 00:53:49.295 --> 00:53:51.035 was the worst situation 1163 00:53:52.735 --> 00:53:55.115 and the children were sent to a grandparent. 1164 00:53:56.015 --> 00:53:58.395 And both of those instances we had a complaint. 1165 00:53:59.335 --> 00:54:02.315 Uh, and it wasn't a, there wasn't a 30 day rule, it was a, 1166 00:54:02.735 --> 00:54:03.915 who was just a complaint. 1167 00:54:04.655 --> 00:54:09.115 Uh, and the answer was, court ordered this, that's the end 1168 00:54:09.115 --> 00:54:12.155 of the discussion, and it never came back up again. 1169 00:54:12.615 --> 00:54:14.795 And I don't know how long those kids stayed there, 1170 00:54:15.535 --> 00:54:19.955 but if another neighbor complained the same complaint, 1171 00:54:20.745 --> 00:54:24.835 that was the answer that standards would, uh, would provide. 1172 00:54:25.015 --> 00:54:26.355 The court has ordered this 1173 00:54:27.055 --> 00:54:30.115 and we don't have the ability to change a court order. 1174 00:54:32.695 --> 00:54:34.035 And I appreciate that all 1175 00:54:34.035 --> 00:54:36.035 of those issues may not be court ordered. 1176 00:54:36.495 --> 00:54:39.755 Um, but those are the two I can recall. 1177 00:54:40.895 --> 00:54:44.355 Um, by way of comment, if this goes forward, uh, even 1178 00:54:44.355 --> 00:54:49.315 to other districts, I, um, question about, uh, 1179 00:54:49.545 --> 00:54:51.555 page two, second paragraph 1180 00:54:51.935 --> 00:54:53.995 and the last paragraph in the document. 1181 00:54:55.135 --> 00:55:00.115 And I'll just, uh, say in the first instances, 1182 00:55:00.335 --> 00:55:02.515 all homes that are occupied must be occupied 1183 00:55:02.515 --> 00:55:05.435 by at least one person who is at least 55 years of age. 1184 00:55:06.175 --> 00:55:10.995 We are not a totally age restricted, uh, development. 1185 00:55:11.895 --> 00:55:15.785 Florida requires no more than, was it 4%? 1186 00:55:16.685 --> 00:55:18.385 Uh, or 5% 1187 00:55:18.605 --> 00:55:22.865 or 95% have to be, uh, so we have people, 1188 00:55:23.445 --> 00:55:26.665 uh, living in the villages who are married 1189 00:55:27.005 --> 00:55:29.385 and in their thirties and in their forties. 1190 00:55:29.385 --> 00:55:31.385 Mm-hmm. And I happen to know, uh, two of them. 1191 00:55:32.485 --> 00:55:34.745 Uh, so that needs 1192 00:55:34.745 --> 00:55:37.705 to be rewritten a little bit. Um, 1193 00:55:38.085 --> 00:55:39.785 So so that can't be rewritten. 1194 00:55:39.895 --> 00:55:42.145 That is exactly per the deed restriction 1195 00:55:48.575 --> 00:55:52.665 That can be interpreted in violation of state law. 1196 00:55:53.175 --> 00:55:54.185 Well, again, 1197 00:55:54.385 --> 00:55:57.065 the deed restrictions state at least one person has 1198 00:55:57.065 --> 00:55:58.265 to be 55 and up. 1199 00:55:58.405 --> 00:56:01.705 It doesn't state that every person has to be 55 and up. 1200 00:56:02.205 --> 00:56:04.545 So we have to maintain a certain amount. 1201 00:56:04.545 --> 00:56:07.265 You're right, there's a certain amount that can be under 55, 1202 00:56:07.645 --> 00:56:09.385 but in order to be considered a 55 1203 00:56:09.385 --> 00:56:11.825 and up community, you have to maintain a certain amount. 1204 00:56:12.525 --> 00:56:14.265 And that is maintained. 1205 00:56:14.265 --> 00:56:17.825 And we actually confirmed that, um, prior to starting, 1206 00:56:18.225 --> 00:56:19.305 considering implementing this. 1207 00:56:19.925 --> 00:56:23.605 But the deed restrictions state that one person has 1208 00:56:23.605 --> 00:56:24.645 to be 55 and older. 1209 00:56:28.045 --> 00:56:32.565 I guess to just satisfy my own curiosity, I'm going to 1210 00:56:33.145 --> 00:56:37.445 ask Mark to comment how, how do we say something like that 1211 00:56:38.115 --> 00:56:41.005 when state law is contrary 1212 00:56:41.665 --> 00:56:44.565 or more inclusive? Well, I think 1213 00:56:44.565 --> 00:56:45.565 Based on what Ms. Tuckett 1214 00:56:45.565 --> 00:56:47.165 just said and the way it's interpreted 1215 00:56:47.165 --> 00:56:49.845 and the way they follow this, it is not inconsistent 1216 00:56:49.875 --> 00:56:51.165 with, with Florida law. 1217 00:56:51.385 --> 00:56:53.845 I'm sorry, it's what, it's not inconsistent with 1218 00:56:53.845 --> 00:56:57.485 Florida law the way it is, um, acted upon and enforced 1219 00:56:58.945 --> 00:56:59.945 All homes. So you 1220 00:56:59.945 --> 00:57:01.645 must be occupied. 1221 00:57:02.865 --> 00:57:04.085 Boy, that's pretty, that's pretty 1222 00:57:04.365 --> 00:57:05.645 straightforward and specific. 1223 00:57:06.235 --> 00:57:09.125 It's the way that they use it 1224 00:57:09.125 --> 00:57:10.645 or do it the way they apply 1225 00:57:10.795 --> 00:57:14.005 that provision within the districts, as Ms. 1226 00:57:14.005 --> 00:57:15.005 Duckett stated. 1227 00:57:15.555 --> 00:57:19.125 Okay. I'm certainly not the legal person here. 1228 00:57:19.365 --> 00:57:21.045 I I'm not gonna argue. Um, 1229 00:57:24.545 --> 00:57:28.235 the other one, I guess maybe it's, 1230 00:57:28.485 --> 00:57:31.115 maybe you have the same answer in, in the last paragraph. 1231 00:57:31.335 --> 00:57:35.715 If someone is not listed as 55 within the residency, 1232 00:57:36.285 --> 00:57:39.395 staff will begin the adopted decompliance process. 1233 00:57:41.255 --> 00:57:44.915 And I guess I'll use my own example as the example. 1234 00:57:46.095 --> 00:57:50.795 My son is a approved resident in my house, 1235 00:57:51.135 --> 00:57:52.235 has been for six years. 1236 00:57:52.905 --> 00:57:56.275 He's 52 years old now, who lives with us 1237 00:57:56.275 --> 00:58:00.085 because he had a, uh, a stroke, uh, is unable to work 1238 00:58:01.595 --> 00:58:04.295 if my wife and I are killed in an auto accident tomorrow. 1239 00:58:04.995 --> 00:58:09.375 He inherits the house by our will and law. 1240 00:58:11.555 --> 00:58:12.935 He is not 55. 1241 00:58:14.415 --> 00:58:18.945 What happens does, does since he is not listed as 1242 00:58:19.785 --> 00:58:22.305 a resident and only resident 1243 00:58:22.445 --> 00:58:26.865 and 55, less than 55, does he go to a hearing officer? 1244 00:58:27.605 --> 00:58:29.265 If we got a complaint, then yes. 1245 00:58:32.355 --> 00:58:34.175 And again, keep in mind this is a, 1246 00:58:34.295 --> 00:58:35.735 a complaint driven process. 1247 00:58:36.355 --> 00:58:38.935 So how, but, 1248 00:58:39.035 --> 00:58:43.015 but yes, if, if you elect to do these deed restrictions 1249 00:58:43.835 --> 00:58:46.295 and we get a complaint, then yes, 1250 00:58:46.445 --> 00:58:48.015 that would, that would happen. 1251 00:58:48.595 --> 00:58:51.935 Can somebody under 55 own the home? Yes. 1252 00:58:52.595 --> 00:58:57.455 And I don't know how it works with sales that is between the 1253 00:58:58.025 --> 00:59:00.415 sales and the homeowners as far as selling 1254 00:59:01.035 --> 00:59:02.455 to people under 55. 1255 00:59:02.955 --> 00:59:04.575 But per the deed restrictions, 1256 00:59:05.595 --> 00:59:07.695 one person in the home must be 55 and up. 1257 00:59:08.875 --> 00:59:12.735 Do do we get complaints for this on a regular basis? No, no. 1258 00:59:12.975 --> 00:59:14.175 I, I understand that. 1259 00:59:14.235 --> 00:59:17.255 But if we, if we did, then yes, we would have 1260 00:59:17.255 --> 00:59:19.135 to follow the process because you have 1261 00:59:19.135 --> 00:59:21.095 to apply it consistently across the board. 1262 00:59:22.145 --> 00:59:23.165 We did make sure, 1263 00:59:23.165 --> 00:59:27.325 because the deed restrictions provide for some type of, um, 1264 00:59:28.315 --> 00:59:30.925 exception to be made or variance. 1265 00:59:31.185 --> 00:59:33.125 Um, but the developer indicated 1266 00:59:33.125 --> 00:59:34.645 that they do not issue those, 1267 00:59:34.985 --> 00:59:36.405 and that is not something, again, 1268 00:59:36.405 --> 00:59:37.845 because it's the developer. 1269 00:59:38.225 --> 00:59:42.045 Um, is the party to the contract that there are no variances 1270 00:59:42.105 --> 00:59:46.825 or waivers issued based on the deed restrictions? 1271 00:59:47.935 --> 00:59:51.545 Well, we're, we're, we're we're stepping wow. 1272 00:59:51.545 --> 00:59:52.625 Into something here, aren't we? 1273 00:59:52.735 --> 00:59:56.145 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm a Wow Now, um, 1274 00:59:57.655 --> 01:00:00.705 obviously if the worst happened 1275 01:00:01.205 --> 01:00:05.665 and my son ended up being the sole resident of the house, 1276 01:00:05.725 --> 01:00:06.825 I'm sure he would sell the house 1277 01:00:06.825 --> 01:00:08.465 because he doesn't need a four bedroom house. 1278 01:00:10.835 --> 01:00:13.015 But if he, and he loves the villages 1279 01:00:13.115 --> 01:00:15.535 and his golf groups are here, et cetera, et cetera, 1280 01:00:15.555 --> 01:00:18.215 et cetera, he will stay and he would go 1281 01:00:18.235 --> 01:00:21.535 to something much smaller in a neighborhood which 1282 01:00:21.535 --> 01:00:22.735 might not like him. 1283 01:00:24.585 --> 01:00:27.725 So I just be, I just became a wow on 1284 01:00:28.825 --> 01:00:33.795 program process and the elimination of this document. 1285 01:00:35.665 --> 01:00:38.635 Okay. So as a board, what do we want to do? Put this 1286 01:00:38.685 --> 01:00:39.515 Aside. Go. 1287 01:00:39.755 --> 01:00:42.115 I wanna say one more thing if I can, Mr. 1288 01:00:42.315 --> 01:00:44.955 Chairman, uh, I don't wanna be believe this, 1289 01:00:45.015 --> 01:00:46.235 but I'm a little confused. 1290 01:00:46.255 --> 01:00:49.555 You said District 11 said they don't even want to hear this. 1291 01:00:50.035 --> 01:00:51.915 District six, district six, I'm sorry, district six. 1292 01:00:53.845 --> 01:00:55.355 Other districts were hesitant, 1293 01:00:55.375 --> 01:00:57.075 So they're just turning the blind eye to 1294 01:00:58.255 --> 01:01:01.955 No, I I think that like you, they have already 1295 01:01:02.515 --> 01:01:04.275 probably thought about all of the 1296 01:01:05.425 --> 01:01:07.195 potential unintended consequences 1297 01:01:07.265 --> 01:01:08.395 that could come about this. 1298 01:01:08.935 --> 01:01:10.755 And at this point, this is not something 1299 01:01:10.755 --> 01:01:12.875 that they're interested in amending their rule to include. 1300 01:01:13.365 --> 01:01:16.955 Again, not to say that six months, two years down the road, 1301 01:01:16.985 --> 01:01:18.995 they, they won't change their mind, but 1302 01:01:18.995 --> 01:01:23.195 after the initial discussion, um, at the board, they, 1303 01:01:23.425 --> 01:01:25.395 they elected that at this point in time, they, 1304 01:01:25.505 --> 01:01:27.275 they are not in favor of moving forward. 1305 01:01:27.545 --> 01:01:29.715 Okay. Well that'll come out in PA at Pwac. 1306 01:01:29.875 --> 01:01:32.635 I assume that somebody there will speak up to that. Yeah. 1307 01:01:34.425 --> 01:01:38.195 Well, as far as the, the chair's comment, 1308 01:01:39.075 --> 01:01:42.675 I would move that we set this aside, uh, 1309 01:01:43.005 --> 01:01:44.675 until next month until, 1310 01:01:44.975 --> 01:01:48.155 Uh, We have some information from PW. 1311 01:01:49.415 --> 01:01:51.355 You don't really need a motion, just direct staff 1312 01:01:51.355 --> 01:01:53.595 to bring it back in September or whenever you want it. 1313 01:01:53.655 --> 01:01:55.675 Uh, okay. In front of you. We'll 1314 01:01:55.675 --> 01:01:57.715 Bring it back for the September on the agenda. 1315 01:01:58.255 --> 01:02:00.355 Are we looking for That's fine. Go ahead. 1316 01:02:01.255 --> 01:02:03.475 Do you just want it on old business for discussion 1317 01:02:03.475 --> 01:02:04.675 or is there something specific 1318 01:02:04.675 --> 01:02:06.475 you're wanting staff to bring back? Uh, 1319 01:02:06.575 --> 01:02:07.575 Put it on there. Old the 1320 01:02:07.575 --> 01:02:10.555 business. Yeah. And then we can bring it up 1321 01:02:10.735 --> 01:02:11.735 For, for discussion. 1322 01:02:12.095 --> 01:02:14.835 Yes. For discussion. Okay. We'll discuss it again. 1323 01:02:15.545 --> 01:02:17.195 Okay. Thank you. Thank you. 1324 01:02:22.945 --> 01:02:25.325 Moving on. Information only. 1325 01:02:25.465 --> 01:02:27.325 Any comments from the board at this 1326 01:02:27.325 --> 01:02:31.445 time? The district manager, 1327 01:02:32.445 --> 01:02:34.365 I have no reports other than to have a great weekend 1328 01:02:36.525 --> 01:02:37.525 District council. Just 1329 01:02:37.525 --> 01:02:39.725 one report or reminder that the next ethics 1330 01:02:39.725 --> 01:02:41.485 and public records training is scheduled 1331 01:02:41.485 --> 01:02:43.205 for August 18 at one 30, 1332 01:02:43.345 --> 01:02:44.965 and that will be held at the district office 1333 01:02:45.585 --> 01:02:46.765 if you can't attend that one. 1334 01:02:46.765 --> 01:02:49.645 There's another scheduled for October 27th at one 30. 1335 01:02:49.665 --> 01:02:51.725 And that one is also at the district office. 1336 01:02:52.675 --> 01:02:53.645 That was August one. Again, I 1337 01:02:53.645 --> 01:02:54.805 think, I think I signed up for October. 1338 01:02:55.355 --> 01:02:57.485 October 27th is the second thank. 1339 01:02:57.585 --> 01:03:00.445 Yes. That one's on a Monday, August 18th 1340 01:03:02.825 --> 01:03:03.825 On Monday. 1341 01:03:03.905 --> 01:03:06.245 Any comments from the supervisors at this point? 1342 01:03:07.275 --> 01:03:10.725 Yeah, just quickly with regards to PA, uh, from the 14th 1343 01:03:11.395 --> 01:03:13.405 amenity fee cap was brought up, it's, 1344 01:03:13.405 --> 01:03:14.805 it's deferred till August. 1345 01:03:15.745 --> 01:03:18.595 Um, a lot of discussion about wreck 1346 01:03:18.595 --> 01:03:21.515 and sport pool, uh, usage 1347 01:03:21.615 --> 01:03:23.275 and schedules and that kind of thing. 1348 01:03:23.955 --> 01:03:26.715 I don't think there's anything that we aren't being kept up 1349 01:03:26.715 --> 01:03:28.075 to date on with emails. 1350 01:03:29.215 --> 01:03:32.235 Access was a big thing. We discussed it here a while back. 1351 01:03:32.825 --> 01:03:36.155 That just means that access to a lot of things, gates, 1352 01:03:36.285 --> 01:03:40.965 pools, everything else, uh, Mr. Brown was, 1353 01:03:41.985 --> 01:03:45.245 was pretty emphatic that you district is very close 1354 01:03:46.105 --> 01:03:47.725 to deciding on what to do here? 1355 01:03:48.665 --> 01:03:51.005 Yes. We actually have a joint meeting, um, 1356 01:03:51.005 --> 01:03:53.805 that is scheduled for the a a C and PA. 1357 01:03:53.945 --> 01:03:56.245 Um, you will have an intro into what will be at 1358 01:03:56.245 --> 01:03:59.005 that joint meeting on Monday, but then we'll go into details 1359 01:03:59.145 --> 01:04:00.845 and have the financial analysis 1360 01:04:00.845 --> 01:04:02.445 and everything on the joint meeting. Okay. 1361 01:04:02.515 --> 01:04:06.045 Good stuff. And then finally with what we took to, 1362 01:04:06.065 --> 01:04:08.165 to the PWAC meeting, the past striping, 1363 01:04:08.315 --> 01:04:10.565 they basically told me they've just, 1364 01:04:10.685 --> 01:04:12.725 PAC has decided they're not gonna do anything. 1365 01:04:13.625 --> 01:04:15.045 So if District 12 wants 1366 01:04:15.045 --> 01:04:16.645 to do something, it's on District 12. 1367 01:04:16.785 --> 01:04:18.605 Is that not the report you got Kerry? 1368 01:04:19.165 --> 01:04:21.325 I mean they basically, the chairman 1369 01:04:21.465 --> 01:04:24.725 and the second in command there 1370 01:04:24.725 --> 01:04:26.085 basically said this was decided. 1371 01:04:26.545 --> 01:04:29.285 So, um, I got nowhere with that. 1372 01:04:30.325 --> 01:04:32.725 I think this will be a topic at the multimodal pad 1373 01:04:32.725 --> 01:04:34.605 discussion group, which also consists 1374 01:04:34.605 --> 01:04:35.845 of districts one through four. 1375 01:04:36.235 --> 01:04:38.565 They are also, um, looking at 1376 01:04:39.105 --> 01:04:41.045 mostly the race pavement markers. 1377 01:04:41.235 --> 01:04:43.405 Even the districts like four 1378 01:04:43.465 --> 01:04:45.645 who currently have stripes are looking at that. 1379 01:04:46.105 --> 01:04:49.365 So I think that that may be a topic at that group that, um, 1380 01:04:49.505 --> 01:04:52.685 you'll get a little bit more feedback from districts as to 1381 01:04:52.685 --> 01:04:53.765 what they would like to do. 1382 01:04:54.395 --> 01:04:55.765 Okay. And I have a couple other things. 1383 01:04:55.795 --> 01:04:58.365 Once it's my turn, you don't have anything quickly? 1384 01:04:58.615 --> 01:05:01.685 We'll, are the mail drops our responsibility? 1385 01:05:03.025 --> 01:05:04.685 Um, the postal stations, yeah. 1386 01:05:04.715 --> 01:05:07.445 They are of, um, project wide, not 1387 01:05:07.445 --> 01:05:08.645 of the residential district. 1388 01:05:08.675 --> 01:05:10.765 Okay. They fall under amenities because 1389 01:05:11.025 --> 01:05:14.845 The, I had people at my house last night at seven o'clock 1390 01:05:15.245 --> 01:05:17.445 complaining about the insects at Willow Tree. 1391 01:05:18.505 --> 01:05:21.885 At Willow Tree. Willow Tree. It is infested. Okay. 1392 01:05:22.155 --> 01:05:23.645 It's even getting into the mail. 1393 01:05:24.145 --> 01:05:26.005 So I will bring that up there 1394 01:05:26.625 --> 01:05:28.925 And I'll, I'll go ahead and report it as well 1395 01:05:29.185 --> 01:05:31.205 and we'll, we'll get an update for you. I 1396 01:05:31.205 --> 01:05:32.205 Appreciate that. Uh, 1397 01:05:32.205 --> 01:05:34.085 I traded emails with some 1398 01:05:35.155 --> 01:05:37.605 find people from the Finney area with regards 1399 01:05:37.625 --> 01:05:39.125 to the rezoning at Coleman. 1400 01:05:39.565 --> 01:05:43.765 I thought they were gonna be here today, um, uh, to, to, 1401 01:05:43.825 --> 01:05:44.965 to have some questions, 1402 01:05:45.065 --> 01:05:48.605 but, uh, I guess that didn't, that didn't happen. 1403 01:05:48.925 --> 01:05:50.645 I have some basic questions there, 1404 01:05:50.665 --> 01:05:52.965 but I was not able to make, make the meeting 1405 01:05:53.515 --> 01:05:55.085 that was held in Coleman. 1406 01:05:55.565 --> 01:05:58.125 I mean, I have some concerns there, especially if it affects 1407 01:05:58.435 --> 01:06:01.765 that Eagle Nest area, which I'm told belongs to District 12. 1408 01:06:02.745 --> 01:06:07.005 Um, and so, uh, I guess again though, 1409 01:06:07.005 --> 01:06:09.565 if it's not under our purview, this is not the place for it 1410 01:06:10.225 --> 01:06:11.525 and they aren't here today. 1411 01:06:11.725 --> 01:06:14.005 I don't guess there at least they didn't ask 1412 01:06:14.025 --> 01:06:15.045 for an audience. 1413 01:06:15.265 --> 01:06:17.015 Uh, uh, 1414 01:06:17.475 --> 01:06:20.455 and then finally, thanks for the packet with regards 1415 01:06:20.455 --> 01:06:21.575 to the mailing on Monday. 1416 01:06:21.845 --> 01:06:23.135 That, that helped greatly. 1417 01:06:23.565 --> 01:06:25.855 Very good. So for the, the, 1418 01:06:25.885 --> 01:06:27.575 what you're talking about in Coleman, are you referring 1419 01:06:27.575 --> 01:06:31.055 to like the County Road 3 0 1 widening and No, 1420 01:06:31.375 --> 01:06:33.575 This was the rezoning of 15 acres. 1421 01:06:33.675 --> 01:06:34.975 Oh, the rezoning. Okay. 1422 01:06:35.085 --> 01:06:38.575 Yeah, I mean, I, I traded several emails with, 1423 01:06:38.685 --> 01:06:40.295 with a gentleman there 1424 01:06:40.835 --> 01:06:43.015 and tried to make a meeting, uh, 1425 01:06:43.015 --> 01:06:45.535 that they had it at Finney Rec Center and, 1426 01:06:45.535 --> 01:06:46.815 and couldn't get there in time. 1427 01:06:46.875 --> 01:06:50.215 And then he later told me there was a meeting in Coleman, 1428 01:06:50.995 --> 01:06:53.255 uh, with the city or the rezone 1429 01:06:53.315 --> 01:06:55.535 or the zoning commission mm-hmm. In Coleman. 1430 01:06:55.795 --> 01:06:57.935 So Sumter, Sumter County does all 1431 01:06:57.935 --> 01:06:59.615 of the zoning for Coleman. 1432 01:06:59.795 --> 01:07:01.695 Um, so when they actually have the hearing, 1433 01:07:01.695 --> 01:07:03.095 that will be through Sumter County. 1434 01:07:03.615 --> 01:07:04.615 I sent the information. 1435 01:07:04.615 --> 01:07:06.895 Did you receive it in your email about the staff report? 1436 01:07:07.105 --> 01:07:11.775 Right. Um, the county has indicated that, you know, in it, 1437 01:07:11.875 --> 01:07:14.575 it potentially could be a, a good change 1438 01:07:14.795 --> 01:07:16.095 for the surrounding properties 1439 01:07:16.095 --> 01:07:17.695 because of how it's owned now. 1440 01:07:18.335 --> 01:07:19.855 I mean, it could, it could be anything. 1441 01:07:19.875 --> 01:07:21.975 It could be a hog farm, it could be a chicken farm. 1442 01:07:22.395 --> 01:07:26.615 Um, and based on what they foresee it becoming, it, it, 1443 01:07:27.005 --> 01:07:30.855 they are estimating that it will be a value to the, the, um, 1444 01:07:30.855 --> 01:07:31.895 properties around it. 1445 01:07:31.955 --> 01:07:35.015 But certainly that's pretty much all I know about it. 1446 01:07:35.195 --> 01:07:38.775 Um, Mr. Bradley Arnold is very aware of it, so certainly, 1447 01:07:38.915 --> 01:07:40.175 um, if you want information, 1448 01:07:40.175 --> 01:07:41.375 we can reach back out to the county. 1449 01:07:42.355 --> 01:07:43.775 That's all I have. Thank you, 1450 01:07:44.185 --> 01:07:45.185 David. I'm all set. 1451 01:07:45.185 --> 01:07:49.095 Um, I was unable 1452 01:07:49.195 --> 01:07:52.015 to meet with the, uh, 1453 01:07:54.655 --> 01:07:57.575 advisory board on, on 1454 01:07:57.795 --> 01:08:01.615 The IAC, The IAC investment advisory, uh, 1455 01:08:02.195 --> 01:08:03.855 and found out, uh, 1456 01:08:03.855 --> 01:08:06.415 that we did not have a designated alternate, 1457 01:08:07.595 --> 01:08:09.055 so no one attended. 1458 01:08:09.715 --> 01:08:12.135 Uh, I think, uh, either today 1459 01:08:12.195 --> 01:08:14.975 or on the next, uh, meeting, we need tos 1460 01:08:16.165 --> 01:08:18.765 specifically identify an alternate, um, 1461 01:08:20.545 --> 01:08:23.445 For an alternate So it doesn't have 1462 01:08:23.445 --> 01:08:24.645 to be noticed on the agenda. 1463 01:08:24.745 --> 01:08:26.725 So if you'd like to have that discussion and, 1464 01:08:26.985 --> 01:08:29.605 and select somebody for the alternate, now we can do that. 1465 01:08:29.795 --> 01:08:30.795 Okay. 1466 01:08:31.235 --> 01:08:33.605 Anybody interested in volunteering for 1467 01:08:33.645 --> 01:08:34.645 That? That was the audit 1468 01:08:34.645 --> 01:08:35.085 thing. 1469 01:08:35.195 --> 01:08:38.205 That, that you, you just tell us that those of us 1470 01:08:38.225 --> 01:08:40.245 who are employees of the district, we cannot 1471 01:08:40.915 --> 01:08:42.325 participate. Is 1472 01:08:42.325 --> 01:08:43.325 That right? No, this is 1473 01:08:43.325 --> 01:08:45.165 for the investment advisory committee. 1474 01:08:45.555 --> 01:08:47.445 This is something that they meet quarterly 1475 01:08:47.505 --> 01:08:50.445 and they go over the investments, the long term, um, 1476 01:08:50.445 --> 01:08:52.165 investment portfo portfolio. 1477 01:08:52.785 --> 01:08:54.765 Um, you have presentations from staff 1478 01:08:54.825 --> 01:08:58.325 and from the, the financial advisors on a quarterly basis. 1479 01:08:58.945 --> 01:09:00.965 And Mr. McMahon is your representative, 1480 01:09:01.345 --> 01:09:03.405 but if he's not available, a lot 1481 01:09:03.405 --> 01:09:06.565 of districts have elected a secondary member to attend, 1482 01:09:08.025 --> 01:09:11.605 But he's correct that one of the functions is to, 1483 01:09:12.555 --> 01:09:15.335 Um, for the audit selection committee, approve the audit. 1484 01:09:15.335 --> 01:09:18.295 That's correct. It cannot be a district employee. 1485 01:09:19.015 --> 01:09:20.155 You're correct. Alright. 1486 01:09:20.655 --> 01:09:22.315 Two of us are out then. Yeah. 1487 01:09:23.515 --> 01:09:24.565 There's only two left. 1488 01:09:26.665 --> 01:09:28.725 Um, well, I, for the foreseeable future, 1489 01:09:29.045 --> 01:09:30.485 I have limited mobility 1490 01:09:30.665 --> 01:09:34.085 and, uh, limited access to a car. 1491 01:09:34.745 --> 01:09:35.965 Uh, so I, 1492 01:09:36.745 --> 01:09:39.845 unless this meets in Everglades, uh, 1493 01:09:40.605 --> 01:09:41.845 I think I'm gonna be, uh, 1494 01:09:42.405 --> 01:09:43.405 Savannah. Savannah. Yeah. 1495 01:09:43.405 --> 01:09:44.685 I think I'm gonna be out of the running 1496 01:09:46.345 --> 01:09:48.725 And every attempt to move it to the center has failed. 1497 01:09:51.675 --> 01:09:53.885 Okay. At this time we don't have an alternative. 1498 01:09:53.885 --> 01:09:55.565 Okay. Okay. 1499 01:09:55.815 --> 01:09:57.645 We'll find, and I, and I apologize, 1500 01:09:57.905 --> 01:10:00.885 but I have a It happens, doctor, 1501 01:10:00.885 --> 01:10:03.085 surgeon issue, your Honor. 1502 01:10:03.155 --> 01:10:04.155 That couldn't 1503 01:10:11.045 --> 01:10:12.285 I have no comments at this time? 1504 01:10:12.445 --> 01:10:13.845 I have a motion to adjourn. 1505 01:10:13.985 --> 01:10:15.325 Oh, yeah. Okay. Second. 1506 01:10:15.325 --> 01:10:19.405 Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Meeting adjourned. Okay. 1507 01:10:19.495 --> 01:10:21.045 Thank you, gentlemen. That was a, that was a.