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Good afternoon, everybody.

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Welcome to the District four, October 11th, 2024.

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District four Board of Supervisors meeting.

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Uh, roll call shows that all supervisors are present

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first on our agendas, will stand for a place, set a flag,

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and then remain standing for a moment of silence

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for our first responders and our military personnel,

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and that we dodged another bullet through the spar.

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My belief is to of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice.

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All

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thank you.

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I wanna welcome all three of our attendees.

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Four. Another one's coming in.

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Uh, next attend The agenda is agenda.

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The, uh, public comment part of the meeting.

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So if you have something you'd like to present to the board,

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please step to the podium and state your name and address

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and tell us your concern.

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Okay. Seeing none, we'll continue.

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I believe that we have our Marion County Sheriff here, so

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we'll take his quarterly report.

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Thank you for coming.

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Thank you, Mr. Uh, Louis Update. Uh, I'd like to in

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everything, right?

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as far as the storm,

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Mike, Further, further,

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Yeah.

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Maybe it's not on. Thank you.

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Can you hear me? There we go.

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Uh, as far as this storm, just to let you guys know what we,

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we are posted up during the storm over at the

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South Marine District office.

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We do what we call, we activate

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what we call an Alpha Bravo roster, which means that, um,

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uh, both sides of the house, uh, you know, when one section,

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the deputies is working, the other is

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off, not during a hurricane.

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They get activated. Everybody's working.

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We post up at the South Marine District, uh,

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there's usually, uh, somebody always there

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during the hurricanes.

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And once the, once the storm happens, uh, we go

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through just about every road in the South Marion district,

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uh, to make sure that we don't have a tree on a house,

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somebody trapped inside, make sure we clear the roads

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and, uh, identify any traffic signals that are out,

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or power, power lines that need to be addressed.

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So, uh, went through the villages yesterday

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and wasn't, wasn't too, wasn't too bad.

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So, um, yeah, we drove,

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we drive pretty much every road in our district.

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So, Mr. Brother

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Carrie, um,

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Outta curiosity, um, at

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what point do you pull everybody off the road?

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If, if it gets, uh, to where it is not gonna be safe

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to drive, then we will pull them up

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and we, we don't have a, we are not going out kind

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of a policy, uh, for certain things.

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Uh, if it's, you know, somebody calling

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for a wellbeing check or somebody saying, Hey, we'd like to,

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I'd like to get a vin verification for my,

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so I can register my car, I'm not gonna do that.

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Well, then you're gonna have to call back after the storms.

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But, uh, there are certain emergencies, obviously, you know,

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if somebody's life is in danger, we're not,

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we're not gonna sit at the district. So

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Do you have the 45 mile an hour wind

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where if the winds are more than 45 miles,

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you guys don't go out or No,

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No. That, uh, that's

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why we don't put that in policy.

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Uh, practice can be policy, especially in our line of work.

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Uh, even emails can be policy and policy can be policy.

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And if we say that you're not supposed to go out

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after 45 miles per hour

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and somebody does go out, something happens,

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or we just violate a policy and that's why we don't do that.

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Uh, if there was somebody's life in danger

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and it was an emergent situation, a lot of us,

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you're not gonna keep us from going.

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So that's, uh, that's why we don't put that in policy.

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I know certain counties do kind of have a rule of thumb

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for that, but we do not

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Done, We've had three,

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three staff working that way.

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All three

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For Helene

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and for, um, for this last one, yes,

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we activate that, that roster.

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And, um, actually for Helene, we did not activate the roster

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for that, but when we start looking at it becoming

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a direct hit like that, we do.

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And thank you very much, honor

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Any, any other, Jim?

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Good, thanks. Okay. I just have one quick question.

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The gas station robbery, is that all taken care of?

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Did you guys?

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We did. Okay. We did.

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We, uh, that guy was, uh, placed under arrest

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and there's actually another person that, uh,

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they're looking at right now that kind of knew about that.

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So we're not gonna let that go.

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Okay, good. Thank

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You. Thank you guys. Have

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a great day.

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Thank you. Stay safe.

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Okay, next on the agenda is the consent agenda.

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Consent agenda is a motion to approve.

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The consent agenda is a motion

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to approve all recommended actions.

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All matters on the consent agenda are considered routine,

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and no discussion is required

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unless desired by a board member or member of the public.

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So does anybody wanna pull any of the three items?

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Approval of adminis architecture.

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Architecture will review committee, primary member

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and amendment four for the investment advisory service,

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BenCorp Asset Management, Inc.

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If not, I'll entertain a motion. So move Second.

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All in favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed? Approve unanimously.

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New business, I believe match up

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resolution 2025 dash oh one travel

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expense reimbursement.

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Good afternoon Board.

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Mad Armstrong, director of Community Standards.

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So before you today, I do have resolution 2025 dash zero one

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Travel Experience reimbursement policy

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for the Architectural Review Committee volunteers.

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At your February 9th board meeting, you did request staff

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to look at, um, some form of process

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or policy to allow for the reimbursement of travel expenses

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for your primary and

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or alternate architectural review committee member.

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Um, because this is a volunteer position, you wanted

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to make sure that it truly, um, was an as much

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of an expense free, um, volunteer position as possible.

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So staff did check with legal counsel, budget finance,

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and we review what the rules were with the IRS

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and we can reimburse the Architectural Review committee

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member volunteers for their mileage,

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which under Florida statute, that would be one 12.061,

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it would be at the 44 and a half cents per mile.

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Staff would calculate the distance from the volunteer's home

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to the meeting location site and back to their property.

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And that is what we will use,

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and we will base that on 52 week period.

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So that's what the budget impact will be.

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So it is staff's recommendation

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that the board approve resolution 2025 dash zero one

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for the reimbursement of travel expenses

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for your architectural review committee members.

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And one more further note to add.

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This is only for your primary and your alternate.

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You would not be reimbursing any other architectural review

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committee member who may be sitting in at the meeting

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just for District four.

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So would you say what you just said last, you were saying

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that our, our, our primary Carl

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and our alternate only get mileage if they're sitting

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for district four at that

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Table? That is correct.

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Okay. Just wanna make sure.

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How would that be, uh, handled?

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That'd just be a check through payables.

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Is that how it'd be reimbursed?

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Correct. And the volunteer could also request automatic

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deposit if they wanted to.

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We have an a CH form that they could fill out, but Okay.

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Either a check or automatic deposit.

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Okay. Matt is there is,

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and I'm just throwing this out,

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is there a way we could just, like monthly

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or quarterly just know what that total is somehow?

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Just so we just see what we're doing?

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I mean, I we're the ones that brought it up to start with

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because I thought it was important that our

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representative on that board that has gonna have to drive

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to Brownwood, going to get paid for,

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because that's eight trips a month, sometimes 10,

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because sometimes they go five times in a month.

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So I just, just to keep it on the radar, just

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so we know I'm all for it.

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A hundred percent. I just don't want it to get outta hand.

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We can work with finance. Yeah. Okay.

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Any other questions, Don? Nope. Okay.

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Resolution 2025 dash zero one for the reimbursement

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expenses for the, okay.

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BC number four A RC,

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primary volunteer.

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Second, you need, I think you need to add,

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if you're gonna say primary, you need

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to add the alternate too, in case he goes, so, yes. Yes.

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Anything Second? Second, the alternate. Okay.

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Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Aye.

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I'm sorry. I have a question. Yeah.

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Um, if we end up getting a hearing master

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for that category,

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this correct?

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That's correct. And then I should get the mileage, have

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to go to Franklin because that's where they meet now.

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Uh, okay. So that we're done. Thanks.

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Okay. Next. Oh, she's there already. Okay. Go ahead.

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Good afternoon Board, Melissa Shaw

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Purchasing. Good afternoon.

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Uh, I am requesting approval of awards to four contractors

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for request for proposals 24 p dash zero three eight on call

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services for geological anomalies in

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storm stormwater systems.

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The intent of this, uh, RFP was to establish agreements

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with multiple contractors to provide on demand as needed,

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stormwater service projects

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and repairs, such as, uh, to complete the, uh,

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ground depression

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or erosion work, including excavation, filling the,

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um, income, packing, a depression or eroded area,

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and, uh, remediating,

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naturally occurring geological anomalies.

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On August 15th, staff issued the RFP and four responsive

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and responsible proposals were received

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and presented to a selection committee for review.

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Selection committee met on September 30th to score

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and rank all respondents.

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According to the criteria set forth in the RFP

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during the evaluation process.

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The selection committee considers each respondent's

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experiences, uh, references, qualifications of manpower,

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machinery, and equipment cost,

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and the thoroughness of their overall proposal.

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Uh, this RFP did allow for multiple contractors

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to be awarded agreements based on the selection committee

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scores and rankings, as well as the district's need

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of having access to multiple contractors.

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Staff is requesting approval of awards

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for RFP 24 p dash zero three eight on-call services

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for geological anomalies

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and stormwater systems to hardscapes

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of Central Florida a SG Solutions,

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Dale Beasley Construction Company,

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and a SP Underground Solutions for

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as needed services at the unit price as shown in Exhibit A

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of their respective agreements if approved, the initial term

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of each agreement shall be effective today

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through September 30th, 2027, with the option to renew

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for one two year period.

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Pricing will remain fixed in firm for the initial term, uh,

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with no increase exceeding 5%.

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And I'm here if you have any questions on the agreement,

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and staff is here if you have

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any questions on these services.

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Any questions from anybody? No.

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Um, are these contractors all

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doing Workforce now?

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Uh, few of them I have seen.

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I know two of them are for sure.

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Yeah. And this is just another

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tool in our tool bank, so we don't have

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to go off for bid. This

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Is great to get these under contract.

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Yeah. Again, these are like emergency services

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and there's a lot of work that needs to go into place

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to get quotes, um, if they're not under contract.

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Um, and, uh, yeah, it is,

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I've said this many times before, and I'll say it again.

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I, I do have an issue with the selection committee.

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I take the three that are on top that all happen to work

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for DPM to Heart, and those are the ones I really look at

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because those are the ones that deal

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with these people every day.

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Um, I just wish

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that there were five people from DPM doing this,

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and I think I would feel better,

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but with that being said, uh, it is what it is.

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Yeah. The only other thing, uh, is there a priority

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how you would use these people?

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No. Um, no, they're not.

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Even though you ranked them one through four, uh, you know

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what, um, what's the criteria

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for calling on calling them hardscape instead of solutions?

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Is it just who is available?

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Uh, the end user using department would decide

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on which one to use.

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And again, they would look at their qualifications.

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Um, as you can see as some of the unit pricing.

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Some of them did not fill in all the unit pricing,

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so they're more kind of experts in certain areas.

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So I would assume they would use them depending on

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what the depression look like.

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Um, and again, availability as

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Well. Are, are these four

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gonna be pretty consistent across all

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the CDs and the villages?

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I'm taking this to every board.

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That's all I have. Any other questions? Don?

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I have a couple of questions.

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Um, in the short event, you question, um,

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the, my first question is gonna be on the other

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district, uh, working to the same board.

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These specific agreements Yes.

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Will be presented to all the other boards.

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Was there any sense to negotiate pricing

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on Common Hire to the same price?

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Yeah, we did not do that in this case.

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Uh, it would've been very difficult to ask them to come into

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the same pricing or, um, anywhere even near

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the same as you can see in the exhibits.

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Some didn't even, um, submit pricing on some of the

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areas, meaning they may be more qualified in a certain

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area than someone else. I've

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Heard that, Yeah.

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Uh, in the past, if, you know, we had problems with

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some of these companies that we thought were in a toolbox

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coming through for us and we really needed them,

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and they picked up left, bring the facts in the middle

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of a price, um, does this contract with them

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address that issue

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and make them understand clearly the, uh, penalty,

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something like that?

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Under this, you almost have the punishment would be

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that we're not using them.

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If we call them and they're consistently not responding the

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call, then they just may not be in

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that rotation to call anymore.

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So they just do not get the work.

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And, um, again, this is the initial term is three years.

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So when it came to renew,

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we would most likely not renew with that contractor.

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Is that state that,

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Uh, in the contract it does not basically

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promise them any work.

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So, or that we're, uh, using them on a rotation basis

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or that they will get any work.

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Yeah, I understand. Needed work, correct.

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But if they, they're dealing with the price

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and they, okay, we're coming work part of the day,

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get better office else, state

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us. How does that,

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This, this is not for disaster debris removal contracting,

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this is just for, um, anomalies, sinkhole, depressions,

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Ms. Sharp would be, is there anything in there

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that if they start a project,

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if we engage them on a project, if they fail to complete

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that project, would there be any

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repercussions for the company?

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Uh, we do have, let me get in here.

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Just our standard, um, default language that we would,

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um, go into effect.

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So as far as this is concerned, it's not necessarily,

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but if we actually engage them

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and then they fail to meet the terms of the contract, at

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that point, we would have recourse against them.

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Any other questions? I think it's fair to say that if,

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if you call a contractor

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and they're tied up on another project

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and they decline it, you just go to the next contract.

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So that's, that's,

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That's right. Yes.

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It, it's only if they commit and engage into a project

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and we're halfway through it

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and then they leave, that's when it would,

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because in this case, they may be busy with another one

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of our districts with doing something.

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So again, we wouldn't wanna penalize them

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for doing something like that.

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But we do wanna utilize all four of them.

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Any other questions? Okay. A motion would be in order,

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Mr. Chairman move

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to approve the, uh, request

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for proposal 24 3 dash three eight

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for all circuit theological anomalies

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system to four.

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Second. Second. All of favor? Aye. Aye. All opposed.

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Approved unanimously. Excuse me. Thank

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You.

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Next is financial statements.

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I see Jennifer's on her way up.

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Good afternoon Board Jennifer Leonor Finance here

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to give you your financial overview of actuals as

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of August 31st, 2024.

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So your year to date revenues are at 4,260,000.

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That's more than your prior year of 3,760,000.

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That increases due to the 25% increase

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that was assessed at the beginning of the year.

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And you've received a hundred percent

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of your maintenance assessment.

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Your investment earnings are at 249,000,

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which is 160% of your budget.

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The August overall investment earnings was 28,000.

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And we're hoping to have your cash flow analysis done at

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your next IAC meeting.

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So just to give you a heads up about that, uh,

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for your expenses, uh,

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district four is at 76% of your budget.

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So that is 2,771,000 that has been sent year to date.

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So that's an average spending of 197,000 a month.

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Uh, you are at 11 months into the year.

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So typically you should be around 92% of your budget

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and you're running a little bit lower than that.

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Uh, your largest budgeted item is your building landscape

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maintenance at a budget of 2,042,000.

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Uh, the district has sent 1,479,000,

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which is 72% of your budget.

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Your capital outlay, your second highest budgeted item is

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that 1,000,070 5,000, and you've spent 567,000 year to date.

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338,000 came through in the month of August for your mill

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and over overlay for unit 61.

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And then I did some, uh,

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de did see some additional capital expenditures come through

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for your root replacement in the month of, uh, September.

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So it looks like you're spending those, um,

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dollars as planned.

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Um, you're still in good cash position

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and, um, you've reserved 700,000 for the year.

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And I'm here to answer any questions that you might have.

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Any questions for Jennifer?

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I think, uh, you know, you might comment on

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how we moved from the position we were in at the, uh,

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last budget year as compared to above project

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where we're projecting D end up at this budget year.

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I think, uh, looking at your, um, revenue

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and expenditure report,

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and I think the year to date balance in August of 23, uh,

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we were looking at a potential of being a shortfall.

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Looking at the chart

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and our year to date balance through August of this year,

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we're looking, we're still hanging on to $800,000.

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And I think, uh, that's attributed to not only the, uh,

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work that the staff is doing,

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but also, uh, what the residents had to incur with

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that 25% increase.

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And, um, without that,

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we would've probably been in serious trouble this year.

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So, rolling that over,

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hopefully it's gonna keep us alive coming.

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Your, our our investments particularly long

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term are still doing well. Yes,

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Sir. Might,

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might decrease a little bit as the rates go down,

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but it's good that, uh, the committee's looking at

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wise investing of, uh, money.

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Any other comments, Jennifer? Thank you, Jennifer.

445
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Good job as always.

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Okay, next is, uh, supervisor comments

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and I have something on there,

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but we'll take that last as it comes around.

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So we'll start with supervisor comments

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with Supervisor Sternberg.

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So Kerry, do you have any comments?

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Um, my only comment today is to, um, uh, thank the staff

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for their communication, uh, during the, uh,

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during, before, during, and after the hurricane.

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Uh, appreciate that.

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While you have your own things that you need to take care

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of, that, uh, were kept on top of as much

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of what's going on as possible.

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And, uh, certainly want to thank everybody for that.

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Thank you. We were getting text

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or emails at 11 and 12 o'clock at night.

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Uh, so they were up doing their job.

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I would thank Jennifer and Katie both

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because they were busy.

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That's for sure. Don, no, no. Supervisor comments?

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No, I, I, I concur. Oh,

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Now, um, in terms,

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and I would appreci

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I had people that worked on asking question.

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Good for not only information, but

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Thank you.

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Yeah. I was able to forward those to some of our groups

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who have a rather extensive mail list.

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So I was just forwarding those messages to them

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and then they included information

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that they might not have been able to get.

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So that was a good thing.

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Um, the only comment I have

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and uh, is my question about, um, we,

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I know we're gonna pick up all the big debris.

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We're gonna talk about that.

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What about all the leaves that are accumulating, you know,

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in our, in our drains?

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Is that gonna be become an issue for us?

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Should we be looking at biting the bullet

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and hundred under Carrie's, uh, district manager report?

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She's gonna talk about that. Okay.

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So we're gonna discuss it

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because we definitely, alright,

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Don, I didn't mean to pass you.

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Do you have any supervisor comments?

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Because you usually do that. We're in supervisor comments.

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Forget what Carrie said.

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Now, do you have anything you wanna bring up?

495
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Yeah, there's something else.

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Pardon? Is There something else you think I should

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Be bringing? No, I

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we're under supervisor comments.

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I don't wanna miss you. You don't have anything. Oh wow.

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I'm shocked. Okay. That's why I keep asking.

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Okay. Uh, mark. Yeah,

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I, I have an issue. I,

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I was out of state

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and I got an email through the district, um, Sandy

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and Charlie Morris, and she was complaining about a

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resident, and I just wanted to make sure that the district,

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uh, somebody has followed up on this.

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That's all

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I, I, I can tell you that I, she contacted me.

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She was actually at my house, okay. Three times.

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Um, first time she was crying

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because she's got the same issue she had when she appeared

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before us, where the one resident is harassing another

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resident and there's nothing we can do.

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And that's the same thing the sheriff told her

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the last time she was there, which was just the other day.

517
00:26:35.905 --> 00:26:37.685
I'm not sure how this is gonna play out,

518
00:26:37.785 --> 00:26:41.525
but, um, it's getting kind of frustrating

519
00:26:41.525 --> 00:26:45.845
because there doesn't seem to be any party

520
00:26:45.915 --> 00:26:48.645
that she can go to that can do anything

521
00:26:48.745 --> 00:26:50.445
to alleviate the situation.

522
00:26:50.825 --> 00:26:55.725
And it comes and goes, is the resident

523
00:26:55.725 --> 00:26:58.645
that's doing the harassing feels like doing it?

524
00:26:59.005 --> 00:27:00.365
I mean, it doesn't happen every day,

525
00:27:00.365 --> 00:27:02.085
but it happens in spurts.

526
00:27:02.785 --> 00:27:06.645
And, um, I mean, she's talking about moving now

527
00:27:06.645 --> 00:27:08.285
because she can't take it anymore.

528
00:27:08.505 --> 00:27:10.725
And that, that, and I understand if that's

529
00:27:10.725 --> 00:27:13.005
what you gotta do, that's what you gotta do, unfortunately.

530
00:27:13.345 --> 00:27:14.965
But that's a sad situation

531
00:27:15.155 --> 00:27:17.885
that we have no control over, unfortunately.

532
00:27:17.885 --> 00:27:19.805
Yeah. However, however, uh,

533
00:27:20.015 --> 00:27:21.245
adult Protective Services

534
00:27:21.425 --> 00:27:22.725
is supposed to be involved in this.

535
00:27:23.625 --> 00:27:25.285
Now to what extent? I don't know.

536
00:27:25.985 --> 00:27:30.245
Um, uh, the last time we had an issue, we were, we were,

537
00:27:30.735 --> 00:27:33.205
there was a suggestion that this be turned over

538
00:27:33.205 --> 00:27:34.845
to the district and let them make the

539
00:27:35.085 --> 00:27:38.645
referral. We don't think

540
00:27:38.645 --> 00:27:41.205
This is anything that the district can get involved

541
00:27:41.205 --> 00:27:42.285
in. I could be wrong.

542
00:27:42.705 --> 00:27:45.165
No, no. There is nothing that the district can do.

543
00:27:45.195 --> 00:27:46.925
Well, exactly that, that's the thing.

544
00:27:47.065 --> 00:27:50.645
It, and, and my advice the last time was contact the

545
00:27:50.645 --> 00:27:52.125
sheriff's department and

546
00:27:52.145 --> 00:27:55.645
or contact one of the county agencies that as far

547
00:27:55.645 --> 00:27:58.085
as the violation of law goes, uh,

548
00:27:58.395 --> 00:28:01.285
it's a borderline at best disorderly conduct.

549
00:28:01.345 --> 00:28:02.365
That's all that it is.

550
00:28:04.235 --> 00:28:05.845
Okay. Okay. Okay.

551
00:28:05.985 --> 00:28:09.365
Um, before I get into the,

552
00:28:11.105 --> 00:28:14.205
uh, advertisement for C two, I do have a couple things.

553
00:28:14.205 --> 00:28:18.005
Number one, um, this board,

554
00:28:18.435 --> 00:28:21.165
when the resolution was presented to us to,

555
00:28:21.705 --> 00:28:23.965
for the multimodal path discussion group,

556
00:28:24.665 --> 00:28:27.565
we never voted on it to approve it or disapprove it

557
00:28:27.675 --> 00:28:32.525
because we all decided to defer all districts to wait to see

558
00:28:32.525 --> 00:28:34.165
what PAC was going to do.

559
00:28:34.665 --> 00:28:36.125
And then Pew Act turned it down,

560
00:28:36.225 --> 00:28:37.765
so it absolutely went nowhere.

561
00:28:38.625 --> 00:28:43.285
So I am asking staff to put it on our agenda

562
00:28:43.425 --> 00:28:45.805
for next month so we could, um,

563
00:28:46.075 --> 00:28:48.325
approve the resolution if we so desire.

564
00:28:48.425 --> 00:28:49.605
So we can continue

565
00:28:50.155 --> 00:28:54.645
because we have a multimodal path discussion group

566
00:28:54.645 --> 00:28:57.885
scheduled for the 20th of January,

567
00:28:58.855 --> 00:29:00.645
right here in this room at two o'clock.

568
00:29:01.905 --> 00:29:05.685
The reason I, I, we need to do this is

569
00:29:05.685 --> 00:29:07.445
because I was gonna start today,

570
00:29:07.505 --> 00:29:08.965
but the first meeting I went

571
00:29:08.965 --> 00:29:11.445
to only had three supervisors there,

572
00:29:11.985 --> 00:29:13.605
so it wasn't gonna work.

573
00:29:14.025 --> 00:29:17.565
So next month I will be going to all the other boards

574
00:29:17.625 --> 00:29:19.525
to ask them to put it on their agenda

575
00:29:19.945 --> 00:29:24.485
so we can get this done before January 20th.

576
00:29:24.505 --> 00:29:27.725
And all boards will have met before January 20th.

577
00:29:28.545 --> 00:29:30.765
So, um, I believe

578
00:29:32.865 --> 00:29:37.485
The resolution has all of the par all of the boards

579
00:29:37.485 --> 00:29:38.925
that will be a party to

580
00:29:38.925 --> 00:29:40.885
that multimodal pass discussion group.

581
00:29:41.865 --> 00:29:43.485
And that's what we don't know yet.

582
00:29:43.665 --> 00:29:46.165
So if I put it on your agenda next month,

583
00:29:46.485 --> 00:29:49.285
I don't know which other boards to list

584
00:29:49.315 --> 00:29:51.845
because we don't have a yes

585
00:29:51.905 --> 00:29:55.205
or no final answer from most of the departments.

586
00:29:55.545 --> 00:29:58.045
We have a no final answer from PA,

587
00:29:58.865 --> 00:30:02.085
but from the other boards, they've, some

588
00:30:02.085 --> 00:30:03.965
of them will say no, but then they attend.

589
00:30:04.705 --> 00:30:08.645
So we don't, I don't know which districts to put a party to

590
00:30:08.825 --> 00:30:10.045
and that's what I was Well,

591
00:30:10.125 --> 00:30:11.525
I was hoping that you could.

592
00:30:11.675 --> 00:30:12.805
Well then how do we do this?

593
00:30:12.805 --> 00:30:14.565
Because, well, I I,

594
00:30:14.805 --> 00:30:19.205
I think you just have it put on the agenda to either approve

595
00:30:19.585 --> 00:30:21.125
or disapprove, approve

596
00:30:21.185 --> 00:30:24.605
or disapprove, uh, being part of the committee,

597
00:30:25.025 --> 00:30:27.365
The boards have directed, I,

598
00:30:27.525 --> 00:30:29.485
I believe the Southern board staff not

599
00:30:29.485 --> 00:30:31.845
to bring things forward to them again for that.

600
00:30:32.025 --> 00:30:34.685
So when I spoke with the district manager representatives

601
00:30:34.685 --> 00:30:37.125
for those southern boards, um,

602
00:30:37.665 --> 00:30:40.165
we can't put things on their agenda based on

603
00:30:40.165 --> 00:30:41.565
another board's direction.

604
00:30:41.785 --> 00:30:44.925
So I believe, um, chairman, that's why you were going to go

605
00:30:44.945 --> 00:30:47.645
and ask and all, all of them that said yes,

606
00:30:47.825 --> 00:30:49.325
we would then put on that resolution.

607
00:30:49.725 --> 00:30:52.085
I was hoping that District four could approve it.

608
00:30:52.525 --> 00:30:54.765
I will go to, I know one's gonna approve it,

609
00:30:54.865 --> 00:30:56.205
but they have to do it formally

610
00:30:56.825 --> 00:30:59.245
and probably two three is against it.

611
00:30:59.385 --> 00:31:01.325
But we have to have a starting point

612
00:31:01.385 --> 00:31:03.885
and I'm willing to go to every board to ask them

613
00:31:04.065 --> 00:31:06.565
to have you put it on their agenda next month.

614
00:31:07.305 --> 00:31:09.005
But we need to be the board to start

615
00:31:09.005 --> 00:31:10.925
because I'm the one that's spearheaded this thing

616
00:31:11.225 --> 00:31:12.325
for the last couple years.

617
00:31:12.545 --> 00:31:16.605
And if we don't have this resolution, we have nothing. So,

618
00:31:17.105 --> 00:31:19.445
So if, if you ask those boards this month

619
00:31:19.465 --> 00:31:22.205
and they agree to put it on next month, then yes, all

620
00:31:22.205 --> 00:31:25.405
of those boards that agreed on that resolution, it'll have.

621
00:31:25.465 --> 00:31:27.325
So you wanna put it all on the

622
00:31:27.325 --> 00:31:28.565
boards all at the same time?

623
00:31:29.115 --> 00:31:31.725
Well, I believe, and Jennifer, correct me if I'm wrong,

624
00:31:32.125 --> 00:31:34.805
I believe the resolution had who the parties are

625
00:31:34.905 --> 00:31:36.645
to the multimodal pass discussion group.

626
00:31:36.915 --> 00:31:39.565
Okay. So I can't put it on until we know who the parties

627
00:31:39.595 --> 00:31:40.595
Will be. Okay. So next

628
00:31:40.595 --> 00:31:43.765
month if we, if we do what we just said

629
00:31:43.985 --> 00:31:46.725
and then we can put it on the agenda for those.

630
00:31:46.945 --> 00:31:50.685
Yes sir. Okay. I'm just trying to get the process right.

631
00:31:52.005 --> 00:31:53.365
I spent an awful lot of time

632
00:31:54.385 --> 00:31:57.925
And I am comfortable with putting it on districts one

633
00:31:58.065 --> 00:31:59.925
and two without you asking them

634
00:31:59.925 --> 00:32:01.405
because they both indicated

635
00:32:01.405 --> 00:32:03.245
that they would in fact be a part of it.

636
00:32:03.245 --> 00:32:05.245
Correct. District three indicated they would not. Right.

637
00:32:05.585 --> 00:32:07.245
And and I know which one did

638
00:32:07.245 --> 00:32:09.645
because I was at most of those meetings anyway.

639
00:32:09.835 --> 00:32:13.005
Okay. All right. So with that being said, um,

640
00:32:14.755 --> 00:32:18.485
Kerry's seat will be up for, and we've talked about this

641
00:32:18.485 --> 00:32:19.565
before, will be up

642
00:32:19.565 --> 00:32:22.285
because unfortunately he had an issue

643
00:32:22.285 --> 00:32:24.405
where he couldn't file in time.

644
00:32:24.865 --> 00:32:27.165
So I need this board to decide whether

645
00:32:27.465 --> 00:32:31.325
or not we are going to continue to add in November.

646
00:32:31.685 --> 00:32:33.525
'cause we can't do it until then.

647
00:32:34.225 --> 00:32:37.605
And I now know we have 90 days from November to

648
00:32:38.465 --> 00:32:41.205
get this done if we're going to do that,

649
00:32:41.385 --> 00:32:43.165
or if we are just going to take it off

650
00:32:43.185 --> 00:32:47.205
and we are gonna reappoint Carrie when the time comes.

651
00:32:47.205 --> 00:32:49.045
Right. So we can proceed.

652
00:32:49.715 --> 00:32:51.925
This board has worked, in my opinion,

653
00:32:52.635 --> 00:32:55.405
this board has worked pretty well together

654
00:32:55.585 --> 00:32:56.765
for the last four years.

655
00:32:57.505 --> 00:33:00.965
So I, I just, we just need to know how we're gonna do this

656
00:33:00.965 --> 00:33:02.925
because we don't wanna waste any time.

657
00:33:04.585 --> 00:33:06.285
So what's the legal opinion?

658
00:33:07.445 --> 00:33:10.485
I mean, we'll just go with whatever the guidance is.

659
00:33:10.635 --> 00:33:12.605
Well, we can reappoint them. Yes, you can.

660
00:33:13.755 --> 00:33:16.005
Whether you ask what are we gonna do in November

661
00:33:16.185 --> 00:33:17.445
or what's our opinion now?

662
00:33:17.545 --> 00:33:19.685
Are we, are we in consensus now that

663
00:33:19.685 --> 00:33:21.045
that's probably what we're gonna do.

664
00:33:21.065 --> 00:33:22.405
So we don't have to advertise,

665
00:33:22.405 --> 00:33:24.845
otherwise we need to advertise the seat

666
00:33:25.305 --> 00:33:27.725
and he could apply for it and we could appoint him

667
00:33:27.725 --> 00:33:29.005
or we could appoint someone else.

668
00:33:30.765 --> 00:33:31.925
I understood from reading the

669
00:33:32.305 --> 00:33:33.305
Pardon.

670
00:33:33.525 --> 00:33:36.645
I understand. Read the minute that

671
00:33:37.425 --> 00:33:38.605
you had two options

672
00:33:40.265 --> 00:33:44.245
but had to wait until November 8th.

673
00:33:45.665 --> 00:33:49.685
And one of the options was to advertise

674
00:33:50.425 --> 00:33:53.885
the other options was to appoint.

675
00:33:57.105 --> 00:34:01.165
And so motion, um, to do something.

676
00:34:02.445 --> 00:34:04.205
I didn't ask for a motion. It could go

677
00:34:04.205 --> 00:34:08.485
On the agenda of as, um, filling vac

678
00:34:09.425 --> 00:34:12.925
and, and then present our document for to,

679
00:34:14.425 --> 00:34:19.045
if we go to point area doesn't go any further, we, we,

680
00:34:19.265 --> 00:34:21.125
we do it, yes or no.

681
00:34:21.665 --> 00:34:26.525
If we, um, do the other options to advertise, then we have

682
00:34:26.525 --> 00:34:29.485
to start our advertising after November 8th.

683
00:34:30.275 --> 00:34:32.165
Correct. And so if we delay,

684
00:34:32.665 --> 00:34:36.325
we hear the application at December meeting and then,

685
00:34:38.825 --> 00:34:41.245
but uh, I think that based on

686
00:34:41.245 --> 00:34:44.245
what I commend we would be discussing,

687
00:34:44.985 --> 00:34:46.485
um, those two options.

688
00:34:47.635 --> 00:34:51.405
Well, all I was asking for Don is a consent agenda, is

689
00:34:51.405 --> 00:34:53.165
what we are planning on doing.

690
00:34:53.745 --> 00:34:56.725
He had, he gets to sit in that seat for 90 days

691
00:34:56.775 --> 00:34:59.165
after the election, after his term is up

692
00:34:59.585 --> 00:35:02.725
and we have 90 days to appoint somebody to that seat.

693
00:35:02.725 --> 00:35:03.725
That's my understanding.

694
00:35:03.865 --> 00:35:05.365
Is that correct? You, you can appoint,

695
00:35:05.665 --> 00:35:08.205
Um, as soon as the seat becomes vacant,

696
00:35:08.455 --> 00:35:11.645
Which would be in December, November, it becomes

697
00:35:11.645 --> 00:35:15.525
Vacant in November, but December is when you would appoint

698
00:35:15.875 --> 00:35:16.875
Correct? Correct.

699
00:35:16.875 --> 00:35:20.725
All I'm trying to do is find out if we are going

700
00:35:20.725 --> 00:35:23.965
to advertise or if we just want, because we

701
00:35:24.825 --> 00:35:27.085
You're asking for consent,

702
00:35:27.515 --> 00:35:30.605
then the question would be if you went back today,

703
00:35:31.275 --> 00:35:32.285
then I would say

704
00:35:36.945 --> 00:35:38.925
on Gary, we lawyer

705
00:35:39.265 --> 00:35:41.325
Or you just want, or your consent can be

706
00:35:41.325 --> 00:35:44.845
that we advertise in November or decide in November.

707
00:35:45.065 --> 00:35:47.325
I'm just trying to put this to rest once and for all.

708
00:35:47.825 --> 00:35:50.605
And I've, I've had my own issues,

709
00:35:51.385 --> 00:35:55.805
but this board has worked well together for four years

710
00:35:55.905 --> 00:35:59.005
and I don't see any reason to disrupt it.

711
00:35:59.185 --> 00:36:01.565
I'm just trying to figure out where we're gonna go.

712
00:36:02.065 --> 00:36:06.485
So this just takes a majority vote. It's not a, so

713
00:36:06.525 --> 00:36:09.405
I I I think the question, if I understand it correctly is

714
00:36:09.405 --> 00:36:12.325
you want to know whether in November you can put on the

715
00:36:12.355 --> 00:36:15.165
consent agenda or you waiting until December

716
00:36:15.225 --> 00:36:16.405
to put it on the consent agenda

717
00:36:16.585 --> 00:36:17.585
For the appointment? Well, we're going

718
00:36:17.585 --> 00:36:18.165
even do that.

719
00:36:18.265 --> 00:36:20.445
Or if this board, I mean, believe me, it

720
00:36:20.445 --> 00:36:21.885
Sounds like everyone's in favor

721
00:36:21.885 --> 00:36:23.045
of appointment based on the

722
00:36:23.045 --> 00:36:24.045
Last meeting we had. Well, and that's,

723
00:36:24.045 --> 00:36:24.885
that's what I'm getting at.

724
00:36:24.885 --> 00:36:27.285
If that's the case, then we just know how we're gonna go.

725
00:36:27.285 --> 00:36:29.005
Correct. And we can't do it until then,

726
00:36:29.065 --> 00:36:32.245
but we can forget about the issue of having to advertise.

727
00:36:32.345 --> 00:36:35.125
That's correct. That's what I'm trying to get at is,

728
00:36:36.425 --> 00:36:39.565
So then on, um, if I'm understanding right,

729
00:36:39.625 --> 00:36:43.525
on the November agenda, we will have, um, an agenda item

730
00:36:43.525 --> 00:36:44.965
that you'll declare the seat vacant

731
00:36:45.505 --> 00:36:48.845
and then in December you're going to have an agenda item to

732
00:36:49.435 --> 00:36:51.845
appoint appoint supervisor Sternberg

733
00:36:52.065 --> 00:36:53.245
Who would still be sitting there.

734
00:36:53.525 --> 00:36:55.565
'cause your 90 days was not up. Right.

735
00:36:56.315 --> 00:36:58.735
So if if that's, if I'm understanding correctly,

736
00:36:58.735 --> 00:37:00.175
then those are the agenda items

737
00:37:00.175 --> 00:37:01.655
that staff will have on your agenda.

738
00:37:01.875 --> 00:37:05.015
That's fine. I, that's, that's what I'm trying to get at.

739
00:37:05.085 --> 00:37:06.455
Will you raise the point? Would it be

740
00:37:06.475 --> 00:37:08.135
as far just the consent agenda

741
00:37:08.395 --> 00:37:11.655
or is it, is it something that'ss gotta be voted on?

742
00:37:11.655 --> 00:37:14.015
Well, I guys felt about doing this.

743
00:37:14.045 --> 00:37:15.215
That that's what I'm asking.

744
00:37:15.435 --> 00:37:17.255
Do we I don't think it's a part of consent.

745
00:37:17.595 --> 00:37:20.495
No, we wouldn't put it on on consent. We just, if

746
00:37:20.715 --> 00:37:22.055
No, not in the consent agenda.

747
00:37:22.435 --> 00:37:25.415
If the consensus is not to just super, not

748
00:37:25.415 --> 00:37:27.575
to just reappoint Supervisor Sternberg, then

749
00:37:27.575 --> 00:37:31.815
that would change the agenda item that we put on the agenda.

750
00:37:32.315 --> 00:37:35.815
But if all five of you are saying that you would like

751
00:37:35.835 --> 00:37:38.255
to automatically appoint Supervisor Sternberg, then

752
00:37:38.255 --> 00:37:39.335
that's what we'll put on the agenda.

753
00:37:40.035 --> 00:37:42.095
That's basically what I'm saying. Thank you Carrie.

754
00:37:42.635 --> 00:37:43.655
So I have a Yes, yes.

755
00:37:44.595 --> 00:37:46.095
That's, that's, um,

756
00:37:46.485 --> 00:37:48.935
just basically then a majority vote, right?

757
00:37:49.845 --> 00:37:51.625
Yes. Somebody would make a motion to

758
00:37:52.005 --> 00:37:56.385
Not a requirement that it has

759
00:37:56.385 --> 00:37:57.505
to be all board members.

760
00:37:57.965 --> 00:38:00.385
No, I would just like consensus now to

761
00:38:00.385 --> 00:38:01.745
where I know to put that on the agenda.

762
00:38:01.745 --> 00:38:03.905
Alright. And I believe we have consensus.

763
00:38:05.425 --> 00:38:07.465
Absolutely. And, and not only that,

764
00:38:07.645 --> 00:38:12.065
not only has he worked well for the last four years, um,

765
00:38:12.715 --> 00:38:17.425
there, there's also, uh, getting a learning curve

766
00:38:17.645 --> 00:38:19.385
and he's always been through that.

767
00:38:20.775 --> 00:38:22.545
He's got a lot of history now

768
00:38:22.805 --> 00:38:26.585
and that he's, so Yeah.

769
00:38:26.945 --> 00:38:27.945
Absolutely.

770
00:38:29.325 --> 00:38:31.215
Okay. You have direction, we Understood? Yes.

771
00:38:32.165 --> 00:38:35.175
Okay. Um, advise.

772
00:38:36.055 --> 00:38:38.285
Don't any board member do this again. Okay.

773
00:38:40.515 --> 00:38:43.645
Next is, uh, uh, investment advisory committee.

774
00:38:44.105 --> 00:38:45.165
Jim, you have any reports?

775
00:38:45.265 --> 00:38:47.005
Uh, there, there's been no meeting

776
00:38:47.145 --> 00:38:50.245
and you did just approve in the, uh, consent agenda?

777
00:38:50.905 --> 00:38:55.405
The, um, reorganized, uh, group that,

778
00:38:55.515 --> 00:38:57.285
that does our asset management.

779
00:38:58.025 --> 00:39:01.365
And if you look in there, this is a major, uh, cost item

780
00:39:01.745 --> 00:39:03.965
to run this $134 a year.

781
00:39:04.785 --> 00:39:05.005
So

782
00:39:09.545 --> 00:39:10.605
One of the cheaper things.

783
00:39:10.795 --> 00:39:14.325
Okay. That, uh, mark, uh, the only thing I have is

784
00:39:14.325 --> 00:39:15.565
that the lieutenant was here.

785
00:39:15.985 --> 00:39:20.685
Uh, and as far as the uh, uh, VSPD, uh, they have not, uh,

786
00:39:20.825 --> 00:39:22.885
uh, Suter Community District has not met.

787
00:39:23.065 --> 00:39:24.085
So there is no report.

788
00:39:25.505 --> 00:39:28.885
You talking about the dependent board? Yes. Yeah.

789
00:39:28.885 --> 00:39:31.365
They have only, I believe it's six

790
00:39:31.365 --> 00:39:32.925
or seven meetings next month.

791
00:39:32.945 --> 00:39:34.325
The next meeting is in November.

792
00:39:34.355 --> 00:39:36.245
They meet, they're gonna meet every other month.

793
00:39:36.345 --> 00:39:38.765
No, not only that, the, uh, community develop,

794
00:39:38.785 --> 00:39:42.445
the community center district is the one that proves the,

795
00:39:42.545 --> 00:39:43.925
the report before goes out.

796
00:39:44.145 --> 00:39:45.205
Yes. And they, and they have not

797
00:39:45.205 --> 00:39:46.325
met because of the hurricane.

798
00:39:46.505 --> 00:39:47.925
It gets canceled. They won't meet

799
00:39:47.935 --> 00:39:50.165
until next Wednesday, I believe.

800
00:39:50.635 --> 00:39:52.005
Okay. Um, Don?

801
00:39:52.825 --> 00:39:57.805
Yes, sir. Um, since our last meeting, uh,

802
00:39:57.805 --> 00:40:02.285
there was another Mary County, um, dealing

803
00:40:02.435 --> 00:40:06.405
with the 40 acre, um, master client

804
00:40:06.945 --> 00:40:11.485
and I get for information, um, it was

805
00:40:12.325 --> 00:40:15.125
approved Master finance 40 was approved

806
00:40:16.005 --> 00:40:20.385
and, uh, it would include storage facilities,

807
00:40:20.445 --> 00:40:23.265
the first 20 acres plus sale storage.

808
00:40:23.885 --> 00:40:28.065
And it is going include 78, um, homicide

809
00:40:28.815 --> 00:40:32.505
that would be, uh, comparable to

810
00:40:32.735 --> 00:40:36.025
what is already on the other side of the fence is Woodbury

811
00:40:37.045 --> 00:40:40.305
and it'll be single family home, one story.

812
00:40:41.725 --> 00:40:45.785
And that, that was all through by the county commission

813
00:40:46.525 --> 00:40:48.145
at their second meeting in September.

814
00:40:49.245 --> 00:40:52.825
Um, at the first meeting here in October, uh,

815
00:40:52.855 --> 00:40:56.665
they approved at $5.3 million, um,

816
00:40:58.485 --> 00:41:01.945
budget for a new annual services facility.

817
00:41:03.285 --> 00:41:05.705
And, uh, mark

818
00:41:05.705 --> 00:41:10.145
and I had the privilege of, um, touring those, uh,

819
00:41:10.145 --> 00:41:11.225
current facilities

820
00:41:11.525 --> 00:41:15.545
and it, the good decisions they make,

821
00:41:16.615 --> 00:41:18.305
they're path due for upgrade.

822
00:41:19.485 --> 00:41:24.385
Um, they also, um, proclaimed October

823
00:41:24.805 --> 00:41:27.945
as breast cancer awareness month.

824
00:41:28.845 --> 00:41:33.525
And at the meeting they had a,

825
00:41:34.565 --> 00:41:39.085
a retired fire truck that is now wrapped in paint.

826
00:41:40.225 --> 00:41:43.005
And, uh, they were taking pictures of this

827
00:41:43.025 --> 00:41:44.525
before and after meeting.

828
00:41:45.345 --> 00:41:49.805
And, uh, it'll be on display, uh, throughout Marion County.

829
00:41:50.625 --> 00:41:53.685
Uh, I believe not just this month, but throughout the year.

830
00:41:54.985 --> 00:41:59.605
Um, the last item I have here is that, um,

831
00:42:00.885 --> 00:42:05.695
they, Marion County sent a first response team up

832
00:42:05.695 --> 00:42:10.315
to North Carolina, um, to help out, uh,

833
00:42:10.465 --> 00:42:11.875
were needed up there.

834
00:42:12.255 --> 00:42:14.115
And my understanding is that

835
00:42:14.425 --> 00:42:17.715
that also happened from other counties around the state.

836
00:42:18.535 --> 00:42:20.235
Uh, I can tell you, I have a brother

837
00:42:20.295 --> 00:42:21.835
who lived up there in North Carolina

838
00:42:22.455 --> 00:42:24.635
and his town was totally destroy.

839
00:42:25.375 --> 00:42:29.035
Uh, he is safe and found, but for about eight

840
00:42:29.115 --> 00:42:32.155
or nine days, we did not know or lot.

841
00:42:32.895 --> 00:42:34.555
And the communications were down.

842
00:42:35.015 --> 00:42:36.715
Uh, no water, no electricity.

843
00:42:37.335 --> 00:42:40.355
Um, shelters were pressed.

844
00:42:41.135 --> 00:42:44.195
Um, over 250 people were killed.

845
00:42:44.975 --> 00:42:46.915
And they don't know how many are missing,

846
00:42:47.055 --> 00:42:50.795
but they expect could even go into over a thousand.

847
00:42:50.825 --> 00:42:53.075
They just don't know because, um,

848
00:42:53.225 --> 00:42:56.315
campgrounds were totally wiped out, washed out and gone.

849
00:42:57.015 --> 00:42:58.435
Uh, they don't know who's missing.

850
00:42:59.175 --> 00:43:03.475
And uh, it's just horrible all the way from Asheville, um,

851
00:43:04.575 --> 00:43:06.195
to not Mitchell area.

852
00:43:07.295 --> 00:43:10.995
And, uh, also Tennessee Urban, uh,

853
00:43:11.515 --> 00:43:12.715
Tennessee got hit very hard.

854
00:43:12.735 --> 00:43:14.155
And that's the last town

855
00:43:14.155 --> 00:43:17.955
before you talked over into North Carolina at the,

856
00:43:19.615 --> 00:43:22.475
so anyway, they sent, I did hear a report

857
00:43:22.985 --> 00:43:27.035
that CIA sent someone who lost his wife up there,

858
00:43:27.775 --> 00:43:29.195
um, with his,

859
00:43:30.415 --> 00:43:33.155
and, um, I don't, I haven't heard that confirmed,

860
00:43:33.155 --> 00:43:34.875
but it was, uh, recorded.

861
00:43:36.535 --> 00:43:37.555
That's all I've got on.

862
00:43:38.145 --> 00:43:42.275
Okay. Um, just a question on Marion County. Uh, um,

863
00:43:42.875 --> 00:43:44.035
I not, I'm sorry. Yeah,

864
00:43:44.785 --> 00:43:45.785
Yeah. Marion County.

865
00:43:45.785 --> 00:43:49.875
Um, we, we have, uh,

866
00:43:50.235 --> 00:43:53.675
a number of housing developments that are coming in.

867
00:43:54.555 --> 00:43:57.755
A massive number of developments that are being built up

868
00:43:57.755 --> 00:43:59.155
around Bellevue and everywhere.

869
00:44:00.415 --> 00:44:03.595
And the question that, you know, we've asked a number

870
00:44:03.615 --> 00:44:07.875
of times is Marion County as far as

871
00:44:08.985 --> 00:44:13.915
upgrading the numbers of, uh, sheriffs

872
00:44:14.335 --> 00:44:16.635
as compared to other counties, has always,

873
00:44:16.735 --> 00:44:19.315
for some reason been way behind.

874
00:44:20.295 --> 00:44:23.795
And, uh, maybe in one of the conversations

875
00:44:23.795 --> 00:44:25.995
with these people, you can find out

876
00:44:26.735 --> 00:44:29.715
if they're ever gonna do anything about bringing the number

877
00:44:29.775 --> 00:44:34.365
of sheriffs in Marion County, uh, up to the numbers where,

878
00:44:35.145 --> 00:44:38.805
uh, you know, we'd have more visible, um,

879
00:44:39.505 --> 00:44:40.645
vision of those people.

880
00:44:41.045 --> 00:44:45.445
I can, I can get, give you my sense of what's going on.

881
00:44:46.065 --> 00:44:48.285
Uh, the Sheriff's department, uh,

882
00:44:48.285 --> 00:44:50.885
budget has been gradually increasing every year.

883
00:44:51.665 --> 00:44:53.685
Um, and you're absolutely right.

884
00:44:54.795 --> 00:44:57.405
Mark, um, talked about sunset points

885
00:44:58.055 --> 00:45:01.245
going in across from the first responders,

886
00:45:01.585 --> 00:45:03.765
and that's gonna have about 480 units.

887
00:45:04.225 --> 00:45:07.125
And those are not sale, they are rental.

888
00:45:09.025 --> 00:45:13.285
Um, different from what we've been seeing previously, uh,

889
00:45:13.435 --> 00:45:17.405
down the street, more across from, uh, lyre.

890
00:45:18.185 --> 00:45:21.085
Uh, it was going to be, that's a huge, yeah,

891
00:45:21.295 --> 00:45:23.085
about 2000 acres

892
00:45:23.745 --> 00:45:27.725
and over 1500 units, some townhouses,

893
00:45:27.725 --> 00:45:30.485
some individual families, so on.

894
00:45:30.985 --> 00:45:32.325
So that's gonna be huge.

895
00:45:32.945 --> 00:45:34.445
And unfortunately, uh,

896
00:45:34.785 --> 00:45:37.205
in both cases the intersections are offset.

897
00:45:37.745 --> 00:45:41.445
So I don't see stoplights going in there, the traffic,

898
00:45:41.635 --> 00:45:43.045
because considerable.

899
00:45:44.265 --> 00:45:48.445
Um, but I get the impression that they are preparing

900
00:45:48.865 --> 00:45:53.845
for when these facilities, uh, are ready to go on the market

901
00:45:53.915 --> 00:45:57.645
that they sheriffs will probably have the budget to have

902
00:45:58.195 --> 00:46:01.205
more manpower down here than have

903
00:46:02.355 --> 00:46:03.725
they are aware of the problem.

904
00:46:05.195 --> 00:46:06.925
Okay. If, if the

905
00:46:06.925 --> 00:46:09.365
Board has any interest, I, I would've no objection

906
00:46:09.385 --> 00:46:11.645
to contacting Sheriff Billy Wood

907
00:46:11.645 --> 00:46:13.045
and asking if you'd like to make an,

908
00:46:13.045 --> 00:46:14.405
an appearance at one of our meetings.

909
00:46:16.535 --> 00:46:18.715
Billy Wood? Yeah, might

910
00:46:18.715 --> 00:46:21.435
With me, you and me if you want us to show up.

911
00:46:21.625 --> 00:46:24.835
Okay. I think it come list,

912
00:46:25.155 --> 00:46:26.635
I think it come from the boys in the

913
00:46:27.165 --> 00:46:28.165
Right, right. Yeah.

914
00:46:28.165 --> 00:46:30.435
Right, right.

915
00:46:31.575 --> 00:46:34.435
I'm fine with that if staff makes up a letter.

916
00:46:34.985 --> 00:46:36.915
Sure. Um, and what would you like us

917
00:46:36.935 --> 00:46:38.395
to ask him to discuss?

918
00:46:38.465 --> 00:46:41.355
Just the future of Marion County Sheriff's Office?

919
00:46:41.465 --> 00:46:44.395
Yeah, what, what the estimated growth potential

920
00:46:44.415 --> 00:46:45.635
is for the Sheriff's Department.

921
00:46:45.745 --> 00:46:47.875
Obviously it's gonna be based upon county budget.

922
00:46:48.235 --> 00:46:49.395
I mean that there's no doubt about it.

923
00:46:49.395 --> 00:46:52.875
Well, but what, what does he see as his need? That

924
00:46:52.875 --> 00:46:53.875
Type of thing. I mean, he's

925
00:46:53.875 --> 00:46:54.715
been for a while.

926
00:46:54.715 --> 00:46:57.355
What he's asking for as well as what

927
00:46:58.855 --> 00:47:00.515
his guess is, they'll approve.

928
00:47:00.975 --> 00:47:02.235
So we will draft a letter

929
00:47:02.455 --> 00:47:04.155
and then, um, send it to you, Mr.

930
00:47:04.155 --> 00:47:05.315
Chair, to review and sign.

931
00:47:05.985 --> 00:47:08.275
Technically you have two representatives on the board.

932
00:47:08.615 --> 00:47:11.515
You have Mark, who's the liaison to chair Right.

933
00:47:11.615 --> 00:47:15.635
As well as the, the fire and you got the liaison.

934
00:47:17.905 --> 00:47:22.235
Okay. Um, last is a multi motor path discussion group.

935
00:47:22.235 --> 00:47:25.555
And like I said, we have a meeting on the 20th of February.

936
00:47:25.575 --> 00:47:30.125
Of January. And in the minutes it was listed incorrectly

937
00:47:30.705 --> 00:47:33.605
and I called Jennifer and she corrected it.

938
00:47:33.625 --> 00:47:36.085
So it will be the date. Pardon? The date?

939
00:47:36.265 --> 00:47:37.605
The date is January 20.

940
00:47:37.715 --> 00:47:39.485
Yeah, the date was listed as February

941
00:47:40.105 --> 00:47:41.845
and in the minute, I think it was listed

942
00:47:41.845 --> 00:47:43.405
as 24 too instead 20.

943
00:47:44.105 --> 00:47:47.285
So she corrected it. So that's taken care of. Okay.

944
00:47:48.645 --> 00:47:52.885
I didn't Hear you. I said I, I didn't hear you.

945
00:47:53.625 --> 00:47:57.805
Oh, I'm sorry. Um, I didn't hear but that February

946
00:47:58.745 --> 00:48:01.125
It was listed, it was listed as February

947
00:48:01.225 --> 00:48:03.365
for the next multimodal path discussion group

948
00:48:03.385 --> 00:48:06.325
and it's January 25th, not February.

949
00:48:06.825 --> 00:48:08.445
So she corrected in a minute.

950
00:48:08.585 --> 00:48:10.125
So the minute should be correct.

951
00:48:10.395 --> 00:48:13.605
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Next is, uh, old business.

952
00:48:14.025 --> 00:48:17.845
Yes sir. The first one item on old business, um, has to do

953
00:48:17.875 --> 00:48:20.525
with the, uh, towing in villa parking areas.

954
00:48:21.725 --> 00:48:23.565
District three, we have been working with them

955
00:48:23.705 --> 00:48:26.205
and they will have a public hearing next month

956
00:48:26.865 --> 00:48:30.885
to adopt a towing rule that will allow them to tow, um,

957
00:48:31.035 --> 00:48:33.085
when vehicles are improperly parked

958
00:48:33.745 --> 00:48:36.205
or when they are impeding the normal use of

959
00:48:36.205 --> 00:48:37.245
that parking area.

960
00:48:38.025 --> 00:48:39.765
We are still working on finalizing

961
00:48:39.825 --> 00:48:41.125
the language, uh, with Mr.

962
00:48:41.175 --> 00:48:44.005
Brian and making sure that everything is buttoned up.

963
00:48:44.475 --> 00:48:47.325
Once we have that, we will send it to you, um,

964
00:48:47.465 --> 00:48:49.405
and give you the opportunity to review

965
00:48:49.405 --> 00:48:51.285
and go through it with in your meeting.

966
00:48:52.025 --> 00:48:56.285
We are also looking at the signage that is in district two,

967
00:48:56.705 --> 00:48:58.325
I'm sorry, district three and whether

968
00:48:58.325 --> 00:49:00.845
or not there's an opportunity to change it to

969
00:49:00.845 --> 00:49:05.125
where it is a little bit more, um, clear understand

970
00:49:05.345 --> 00:49:08.245
and less per plat book number 22.

971
00:49:08.945 --> 00:49:11.085
So all of that is taking place at District three

972
00:49:11.185 --> 00:49:13.285
and once we finalize that, we will come

973
00:49:13.285 --> 00:49:14.485
to you with some suggestions.

974
00:49:14.825 --> 00:49:16.285
If you would like to, um,

975
00:49:16.385 --> 00:49:17.885
do the same thing in District four.

976
00:49:19.515 --> 00:49:22.285
Mark, correct me if I'm wrong, um, as,

977
00:49:22.385 --> 00:49:26.145
as district counsel, if you're gonna do any type of a toll,

978
00:49:26.805 --> 00:49:28.985
you have to have a sign that indicates

979
00:49:29.015 --> 00:49:31.105
that under Florida statutes, right?

980
00:49:31.685 --> 00:49:33.625
Um, no, not necessarily. Okay.

981
00:49:33.645 --> 00:49:36.785
You can provide written notice to the owner of the vehicle

982
00:49:36.965 --> 00:49:39.745
to let them know in advance that they are parked in an area

983
00:49:39.745 --> 00:49:41.345
that they're not permit permitted, be parked at.

984
00:49:41.375 --> 00:49:43.025
Give them time to remove it.

985
00:49:43.045 --> 00:49:46.465
And if they fail to do so, then tow The other option is yes,

986
00:49:46.465 --> 00:49:47.665
you have to have the signage out.

987
00:49:48.215 --> 00:49:49.425
Okay. If,

988
00:49:49.605 --> 00:49:53.185
and I would say that if you placed one sign at the entrance

989
00:49:53.185 --> 00:49:55.785
to a villa, that would be adequate notice.

990
00:49:56.345 --> 00:49:58.265
I think you need to sign at each entrance point.

991
00:49:58.435 --> 00:49:59.705
Right, right. Okay.

992
00:49:59.835 --> 00:50:01.465
Which is why district three

993
00:50:01.485 --> 00:50:04.105
and all of the other center districts are doing the other

994
00:50:04.105 --> 00:50:06.465
option in which we're providing them notice on

995
00:50:06.465 --> 00:50:07.545
their vehicle directly.

996
00:50:08.335 --> 00:50:09.425
Okay. And,

997
00:50:09.425 --> 00:50:12.625
and one, one time, one time on this, I have not been able

998
00:50:12.625 --> 00:50:15.385
to determine one time notice is sufficient.

999
00:50:15.805 --> 00:50:18.345
Yes. Forever. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

1000
00:50:19.685 --> 00:50:21.865
The next item on old business was

1001
00:50:21.925 --> 00:50:23.785
to review if a document can be filed

1002
00:50:24.005 --> 00:50:25.905
to identify FHA improvements.

1003
00:50:25.925 --> 00:50:28.325
And I'll turn it over to Mr. Mr. Brianis for an update.

1004
00:50:28.465 --> 00:50:31.165
Yes. And again, the answer to that is yes, it can be.

1005
00:50:31.225 --> 00:50:32.765
And I am working with staff now.

1006
00:50:32.765 --> 00:50:35.845
They've provided me with a proposed rule change, um,

1007
00:50:35.845 --> 00:50:37.245
that I've reviewed, um,

1008
00:50:37.425 --> 00:50:40.485
and making some revisions to, um, so

1009
00:50:40.485 --> 00:50:42.605
that should be coming back to you soon for approval.

1010
00:50:45.065 --> 00:50:49.285
Number three was address Villa Lights running 24 7.

1011
00:50:49.865 --> 00:50:51.365
Um, DPM is in the process

1012
00:50:51.465 --> 00:50:55.005
of installing astrological timers trying to address that.

1013
00:50:55.465 --> 00:50:56.805
And Mr. Brown is available.

1014
00:50:56.825 --> 00:50:58.245
If you have any questions on that,

1015
00:51:02.995 --> 00:51:05.085
Just I would just like to see,

1016
00:51:05.705 --> 00:51:06.705
See it done.

1017
00:51:06.705 --> 00:51:09.325
The project completed once and for all.

1018
00:51:09.925 --> 00:51:13.645
I mean, um, anything

1019
00:51:13.645 --> 00:51:16.645
that will be done to alleviate the situation.

1020
00:51:16.845 --> 00:51:19.565
I understand what it is and the time clocks and the,

1021
00:51:19.565 --> 00:51:23.725
and the photo cells, the trees grow and they stay on longer

1022
00:51:24.225 --> 00:51:25.525
and that's our issue,

1023
00:51:25.985 --> 00:51:28.925
but that's the way stuff grows in Florida, so

1024
00:51:29.465 --> 00:51:30.965
we just don't need the lights running.

1025
00:51:31.185 --> 00:51:35.245
Um, so far all the ones that I gave you a list of last month

1026
00:51:35.915 --> 00:51:37.645
have been corrected as far as I know.

1027
00:51:38.105 --> 00:51:39.105
Um,

1028
00:51:39.775 --> 00:51:40.875
So, so we'll follow up

1029
00:51:40.875 --> 00:51:43.355
and see how close to completion we are with that project.

1030
00:51:43.545 --> 00:51:44.545
Okay?

1031
00:51:45.695 --> 00:51:48.715
Yes. Are We talking about the lights on, the

1032
00:51:49.435 --> 00:51:52.715
Challenges for the village and the, and and the dis and,

1033
00:51:52.775 --> 00:51:54.795
and Piedmont and Springdale.

1034
00:51:54.975 --> 00:51:57.515
All the lights that laid up the signs. Okay.

1035
00:51:58.095 --> 00:52:01.515
And I believe at the last meeting I gave them a list of 11

1036
00:52:01.655 --> 00:52:04.155
or something that we're running 24 7.

1037
00:52:04.935 --> 00:52:08.075
So mo those have all been corrected as far as I know

1038
00:52:11.165 --> 00:52:12.755
since we pay for electricity

1039
00:52:12.775 --> 00:52:14.595
and it's getting expensive, just trying

1040
00:52:14.595 --> 00:52:17.195
to make sure we're not wasting money. Okay.

1041
00:52:17.935 --> 00:52:19.475
Number four was

1042
00:52:19.495 --> 00:52:22.595
to consider video recording live streaming meetings.

1043
00:52:23.255 --> 00:52:27.515
Um, so I have a very quick, um,

1044
00:52:27.995 --> 00:52:30.075
resolution if the board would like to consider it

1045
00:52:30.175 --> 00:52:32.035
or, um, a more extensive one.

1046
00:52:32.775 --> 00:52:36.355
Our civic clerk, um, form

1047
00:52:36.505 --> 00:52:39.675
that records your meetings and then it is posted online.

1048
00:52:40.415 --> 00:52:45.155
Has the ability for us to live stream the audio right now?

1049
00:52:46.085 --> 00:52:49.195
Right now you can direct us to start live stream

1050
00:52:50.135 --> 00:52:51.715
the audio portion of your meeting

1051
00:52:51.815 --> 00:52:55.355
and that will be at no additional cost to the district.

1052
00:52:56.695 --> 00:52:58.635
The second option that you have,

1053
00:52:58.775 --> 00:53:01.595
and this is where if you wanted to do video,

1054
00:53:02.205 --> 00:53:04.995
would be we could reach out as was stated,

1055
00:53:05.535 --> 00:53:06.715
um, I believe by Mr.

1056
00:53:06.815 --> 00:53:08.715
Deacon. And I don't remember if it was in this meeting

1057
00:53:08.715 --> 00:53:11.835
or the a a c to the audio visual group

1058
00:53:11.835 --> 00:53:14.315
because we do not have the staff

1059
00:53:14.575 --> 00:53:18.195
or the equipment that would be needed to do video with it.

1060
00:53:19.095 --> 00:53:22.395
But we would be happy to reach out to the audio visual group

1061
00:53:22.575 --> 00:53:25.965
and see if they would be willing to provide that service to

1062
00:53:26.865 --> 00:53:29.165
the boards that are, are wanting to do that

1063
00:53:29.425 --> 00:53:30.885
and then go from there.

1064
00:53:31.785 --> 00:53:33.965
So at this point I just need, um,

1065
00:53:33.965 --> 00:53:36.845
direction from the board if you'd like to just try the audio

1066
00:53:37.265 --> 00:53:38.325
and livestream it

1067
00:53:38.385 --> 00:53:39.965
or if your goal is more to have video,

1068
00:53:40.545 --> 00:53:43.645
at which point we would contact the audio visual group.

1069
00:53:46.635 --> 00:53:51.245
Well, I, I, for one live streaming,

1070
00:53:51.275 --> 00:53:55.805
just the, the audio part I would get no benefit out of

1071
00:53:55.805 --> 00:53:58.365
because I'm here so I can't listen to it.

1072
00:53:58.825 --> 00:54:01.725
Um, it would be helpful for other districts,

1073
00:54:01.905 --> 00:54:03.365
but we don't know what they wanna do.

1074
00:54:04.205 --> 00:54:06.165
I still think I agree with Don.

1075
00:54:06.365 --> 00:54:09.085
I still think we need to contact the audio visual group

1076
00:54:09.145 --> 00:54:10.605
and see if they want to help us

1077
00:54:11.065 --> 00:54:14.245
and then we can proceed to do what really needs to be done

1078
00:54:15.305 --> 00:54:17.565
and that video record these meetings, whether

1079
00:54:18.385 --> 00:54:21.005
we re video record 'em in, in

1080
00:54:22.515 --> 00:54:24.805
time right now while we're meeting,

1081
00:54:25.225 --> 00:54:28.525
or at least have it so we can post it on our website.

1082
00:54:28.715 --> 00:54:31.645
Because listening to the audio is one thing,

1083
00:54:31.905 --> 00:54:34.645
but watching it is something all together different.

1084
00:54:34.825 --> 00:54:39.485
And I've listened to, when I was gone in June,

1085
00:54:40.085 --> 00:54:42.045
I probably listened to every district meeting

1086
00:54:42.515 --> 00:54:44.765
that was conducted while I wasn't here

1087
00:54:44.765 --> 00:54:46.085
and there was quite a few of them

1088
00:54:46.585 --> 00:54:48.205
and it's two, two and a half hours.

1089
00:54:48.585 --> 00:54:53.405
And some of them are not as clear as others as we know

1090
00:54:53.405 --> 00:54:55.445
because we have mic problems

1091
00:54:55.505 --> 00:54:57.685
and people don't want to get close to the mic

1092
00:54:57.745 --> 00:55:00.205
and people talk real softly

1093
00:55:00.465 --> 00:55:02.765
and they're really kind of difficult to understand.

1094
00:55:03.365 --> 00:55:07.045
I think we need to try to do what Don suggested

1095
00:55:07.065 --> 00:55:09.245
and contact the audio visual group

1096
00:55:09.745 --> 00:55:10.845
and see if they wanna help.

1097
00:55:11.205 --> 00:55:13.525
I mean they're, they they do a lot of volunteer work

1098
00:55:13.745 --> 00:55:15.405
and if they don't then maybe we can

1099
00:55:15.475 --> 00:55:16.725
proceed to something else.

1100
00:55:16.825 --> 00:55:18.365
But we, we, if we haven't tried it,

1101
00:55:18.365 --> 00:55:19.565
we don't know what they're gonna say.

1102
00:55:21.405 --> 00:55:22.885
Yeah. Um,

1103
00:55:23.985 --> 00:55:26.805
the equipment we use supplied by the,

1104
00:55:28.625 --> 00:55:30.405
We, we do not have equipment.

1105
00:55:30.425 --> 00:55:32.165
So that's a conversation we would have to have

1106
00:55:32.165 --> 00:55:33.565
with the audio visual group.

1107
00:55:34.305 --> 00:55:39.125
Um, I don't know that they have their own video with it,

1108
00:55:39.905 --> 00:55:43.445
but, um, what, what do you do with your equipment?

1109
00:55:46.305 --> 00:55:47.395
What do we do with it?

1110
00:55:47.425 --> 00:55:49.395
Yeah, we, we have a, we have a Mevo camera

1111
00:55:49.425 --> 00:55:54.225
that I think I paid 250 or $300 for.

1112
00:55:55.005 --> 00:55:58.105
Um, I will tell you this, the POA will pay

1113
00:55:58.105 --> 00:56:00.425
for a camera if you get somebody to operate it.

1114
00:56:01.395 --> 00:56:03.425
Yours is not street line is it?

1115
00:56:03.645 --> 00:56:04.705
It is. It is

1116
00:56:04.705 --> 00:56:05.465
Street. It

1117
00:56:05.465 --> 00:56:06.465
Is. Okay.

1118
00:56:06.465 --> 00:56:10.185
So that would be hard what you would like

1119
00:56:10.185 --> 00:56:12.265
to see done? I

1120
00:56:12.945 --> 00:56:14.705
I would, I'm, I'm more concerned

1121
00:56:15.425 --> 00:56:17.945
'cause I understand some of the issues that Kerry has.

1122
00:56:18.365 --> 00:56:21.145
I'm more concerned with a video recording made

1123
00:56:21.145 --> 00:56:24.085
that can be posted at a later date the next day

1124
00:56:24.985 --> 00:56:27.325
on the website for each district.

1125
00:56:27.385 --> 00:56:28.965
So anybody that wanted to go back

1126
00:56:28.965 --> 00:56:31.405
and watch it could watch it and hear it.

1127
00:56:31.995 --> 00:56:36.525
Okay. Um, there's other equipment that's involved with

1128
00:56:37.145 --> 00:56:39.805
the PO's recording of the meetings live stream,

1129
00:56:40.625 --> 00:56:41.965
but that's not an issue.

1130
00:56:42.025 --> 00:56:43.285
And I, as I said before,

1131
00:56:43.445 --> 00:56:46.325
I don't think I spent more than $500 for everything.

1132
00:56:46.865 --> 00:56:49.285
And that's buying six mics of my own

1133
00:56:49.285 --> 00:56:52.325
because some of the rec center's mics were not good.

1134
00:56:52.325 --> 00:56:54.845
And we were at, like, at our, uh,

1135
00:56:54.995 --> 00:56:58.445
town hall meeting when the white, so we don't use

1136
00:57:00.075 --> 00:57:02.275
recreational facility mics.

1137
00:57:02.275 --> 00:57:05.835
We use our own, um, it works better. We don't need that.

1138
00:57:05.945 --> 00:57:07.355
They're, they're replacing 'em.

1139
00:57:07.475 --> 00:57:10.915
I I just think we need to try to start this somewhere. Okay.

1140
00:57:10.915 --> 00:57:12.315
And we keep talking about it,

1141
00:57:13.255 --> 00:57:14.715
but if we don't make an attempt,

1142
00:57:15.045 --> 00:57:17.475
we'll be talking about it next year at this time.

1143
00:57:18.295 --> 00:57:19.955
The reason I'm asking is

1144
00:57:19.955 --> 00:57:24.875
because their primary service, uh, is

1145
00:57:25.015 --> 00:57:29.275
to operate at the recreation center throughout the village

1146
00:57:30.135 --> 00:57:33.035
and all of those centers have their own audio

1147
00:57:34.255 --> 00:57:35.875
and life equipment.

1148
00:57:36.935 --> 00:57:41.755
Um, I don't know that they get requests for video

1149
00:57:42.975 --> 00:57:45.515
and if they don't have their own equipment

1150
00:57:46.425 --> 00:57:49.995
because they don't normally provide the equipment or audio

1151
00:57:50.575 --> 00:57:54.485
and might, um, they would,

1152
00:57:55.065 --> 00:57:59.005
the request has to indicate that we'd like for you to come

1153
00:57:59.825 --> 00:58:02.685
and operate the audio

1154
00:58:03.575 --> 00:58:06.665
video equipment and it will be

1155
00:58:06.945 --> 00:58:10.945
provided by the district, uh,

1156
00:58:12.045 --> 00:58:15.505
to ask to provide your own license. You might,

1157
00:58:16.085 --> 00:58:18.425
I'm not asking to buy their own, I just said to you

1158
00:58:18.655 --> 00:58:21.105
that if they were willing to do it

1159
00:58:21.205 --> 00:58:23.825
and it operates off of an iPad or an iPhone

1160
00:58:23.885 --> 00:58:25.985
or a smartphone, okay.

1161
00:58:25.985 --> 00:58:29.985
Let's say operate the camera, uh, the POA will donate,

1162
00:58:29.985 --> 00:58:33.665
will buy and donate a camera so that they can use it so

1163
00:58:33.665 --> 00:58:34.745
that they will have one.

1164
00:58:35.565 --> 00:58:37.465
The the other reason I mentioned that is

1165
00:58:37.465 --> 00:58:40.225
because this is a service organization,

1166
00:58:40.735 --> 00:58:43.505
they donate their time and effort,

1167
00:58:44.285 --> 00:58:46.105
but they don't charge for it.

1168
00:58:46.485 --> 00:58:50.825
So they probably don't have much in the way of funds.

1169
00:58:51.485 --> 00:58:52.945
No, no, I understand that.

1170
00:58:53.125 --> 00:58:55.905
So, but if they, all they need to do is donate their time,

1171
00:58:55.995 --> 00:58:57.665
we'll make sure, we'll, we'll find a way

1172
00:58:57.665 --> 00:58:58.945
for them to get the equipment.

1173
00:58:59.205 --> 00:59:03.465
Yes. And they, years ago they were donating their

1174
00:59:03.465 --> 00:59:04.465
Time. I I

1175
00:59:04.465 --> 00:59:05.465
remember when they used to be

1176
00:59:05.465 --> 00:59:06.465
Here. Set it up.

1177
00:59:06.465 --> 00:59:07.545
Right

1178
00:59:08.935 --> 00:59:09.935
Mark? Yeah. It's

1179
00:59:09.935 --> 00:59:12.465
just a question for Don, Don, you're gonna have

1180
00:59:12.465 --> 00:59:13.905
to make it known, um,

1181
00:59:14.135 --> 00:59:16.505
that this could become a very laborious process

1182
00:59:16.535 --> 00:59:20.025
because we have 15 numbered districts and,

1183
00:59:20.205 --> 00:59:22.925
Uh, and all four, four commercial districts

1184
00:59:22.925 --> 00:59:25.205
and uh, uh, utility districts.

1185
00:59:25.205 --> 00:59:27.485
If you're gonna want to do that all that's,

1186
00:59:27.485 --> 00:59:30.685
you're talking a pretty, as long as they understand that I

1187
00:59:30.755 --> 00:59:33.485
otherwise, if you're gonna start out with one, one

1188
00:59:33.485 --> 00:59:34.805
or two, uh uh,

1189
00:59:34.905 --> 00:59:36.205
No, it's gotta be number districts.

1190
00:59:36.205 --> 00:59:38.725
It's not one district. It it's all districts

1191
00:59:38.745 --> 00:59:39.765
or no districts.

1192
00:59:39.995 --> 00:59:42.725
Okay. Can't be district four and no other district.

1193
00:59:42.785 --> 00:59:43.925
That's not the way it works

1194
00:59:44.345 --> 00:59:45.345
All. None that

1195
00:59:45.345 --> 00:59:47.805
you, you're saying that if the other

1196
00:59:48.445 --> 00:59:50.925
districts decide they don't want it, that

1197
00:59:51.155 --> 00:59:52.685
Well then they wouldn't, then they wouldn't do it.

1198
00:59:52.745 --> 00:59:55.405
But each district should be given the opportunity to do it.

1199
00:59:55.825 --> 00:59:57.485
And if it didn't cost them anything,

1200
00:59:57.765 --> 00:59:59.925
I wouldn't understand why they would turn it down.

1201
00:59:59.945 --> 01:00:01.765
That's, but all I'm saying is to the,

1202
01:00:01.835 --> 01:00:05.085
when you present this to the, to the board, to your, to the,

1203
01:00:05.085 --> 01:00:06.285
uh, audio visual board

1204
01:00:06.475 --> 01:00:08.925
that they understand it could be very laborious.

1205
01:00:08.925 --> 01:00:11.685
Because you were talking how how many meetings across

1206
01:00:11.685 --> 01:00:12.685
About 25? Yeah, exactly.

1207
01:00:12.685 --> 01:00:13.765
So I mean

1208
01:00:13.765 --> 01:00:15.005
something, just something to think about

1209
01:00:16.145 --> 01:00:17.645
And I can't speak to them

1210
01:00:17.875 --> 01:00:20.405
because I'm no longer involved in the ation.

1211
01:00:20.525 --> 01:00:21.605
I simply started,

1212
01:00:22.465 --> 01:00:25.805
but when we started, we had over 50 members at the first

1213
01:00:25.805 --> 01:00:29.325
meeting and then we had to certify people

1214
01:00:29.825 --> 01:00:32.085
and we had an ongoing certification program

1215
01:00:33.505 --> 01:00:36.405
and the last time I talked to them,

1216
01:00:36.405 --> 01:00:40.045
they had about a hundred members who were certified.

1217
01:00:40.985 --> 01:00:44.805
So I, my guess is that they probably

1218
01:00:45.225 --> 01:00:49.205
to get 25 people do it,

1219
01:00:49.465 --> 01:00:52.085
but you might get one person who does all four.

1220
01:00:54.275 --> 01:00:56.405
Well yeah, I'm just saying that just that, just

1221
01:00:56.405 --> 01:00:58.045
that they're aware of this, uh,

1222
01:00:58.425 --> 01:01:00.685
dis the set could become quite a job.

1223
01:01:00.955 --> 01:01:03.165
Sure. If it wasn't handled,

1224
01:01:03.505 --> 01:01:05.805
All we can do is approach them and

1225
01:01:05.805 --> 01:01:07.045
That, so now

1226
01:01:07.045 --> 01:01:09.085
that we know live streaming is not a priority,

1227
01:01:09.185 --> 01:01:12.085
it is just simply having video attached to the audio.

1228
01:01:12.235 --> 01:01:16.485
Correct. Um, are supervisor Deacon,

1229
01:01:16.485 --> 01:01:17.845
are you reaching out to the group

1230
01:01:18.065 --> 01:01:20.005
or staff is happy to do that

1231
01:01:20.005 --> 01:01:21.645
and start having those conversations?

1232
01:01:22.105 --> 01:01:24.005
Yes. I would like for you to Okay.

1233
01:01:24.225 --> 01:01:25.405
Put together the proposal.

1234
01:01:25.845 --> 01:01:30.645
I certainly would be happy to, we can put mine anything down

1235
01:01:31.265 --> 01:01:34.725
if they had questions or whatever or, or yours as well.

1236
01:01:35.175 --> 01:01:36.405
We'll, we'll reach out to them

1237
01:01:36.545 --> 01:01:39.885
and start to, um, get a meeting set up for those, um,

1238
01:01:39.885 --> 01:01:41.765
that they think would be interested in doing this

1239
01:01:41.765 --> 01:01:42.965
and have familiarity with it.

1240
01:01:43.065 --> 01:01:44.125
We could start the dialogue.

1241
01:01:44.145 --> 01:01:45.765
We can see if we're gonna go anywhere or not.

1242
01:01:46.325 --> 01:01:48.205
I don't expect to say we give you a yes

1243
01:01:48.205 --> 01:01:50.485
or no until they had a conversation.

1244
01:01:50.545 --> 01:01:53.565
That's right. Um, so they fully understood

1245
01:01:53.635 --> 01:01:56.245
what they were volunteering to do.

1246
01:01:56.255 --> 01:01:58.605
Right. And they probably have to be served

1247
01:01:59.145 --> 01:02:01.285
for the members to find out,

1248
01:02:06.425 --> 01:02:09.565
You know, we're, if we're doing this, uh, for the benefit

1249
01:02:09.665 --> 01:02:14.645
of the residents, um, do we have any idea,

1250
01:02:15.025 --> 01:02:17.885
uh, how many residents would even utilize this service?

1251
01:02:18.405 --> 01:02:21.965
I mean, how do you know, um, we go through all this process,

1252
01:02:22.825 --> 01:02:25.405
uh, what are we gonna do up front to find out whether

1253
01:02:25.405 --> 01:02:28.645
or not, uh, once this is all put in place,

1254
01:02:29.065 --> 01:02:30.645
if anybody's even going to use it,

1255
01:02:31.155 --> 01:02:33.045
besides maybe board members who want

1256
01:02:33.045 --> 01:02:34.725
to know what's going on in other board meetings.

1257
01:02:34.785 --> 01:02:37.365
But as far as residents, um,

1258
01:02:39.725 --> 01:02:41.485
I don't have, we, are we gonna do anything

1259
01:02:41.545 --> 01:02:43.885
to find out whether we should even be doing it?

1260
01:02:44.385 --> 01:02:45.845
We have a record of

1261
01:02:45.905 --> 01:02:50.245
how their Do you have any, you,

1262
01:02:50.685 --> 01:02:52.765
I I you keep records of hits or?

1263
01:02:53.145 --> 01:02:54.405
Yes, yes.

1264
01:02:55.585 --> 01:02:58.965
We have had as high as 6,000 and as low.

1265
01:02:59.185 --> 01:03:02.845
The lowest amount we've ever had is 220 that have watched

1266
01:03:03.515 --> 01:03:05.285
that have watched it ever.

1267
01:03:05.345 --> 01:03:07.525
Now I, I don't know that you can compare.

1268
01:03:08.085 --> 01:03:09.725
I know that To this just

1269
01:03:09.725 --> 01:03:12.525
because those are on like Facebook and things

1270
01:03:12.525 --> 01:03:13.525
Like that. But the thing,

1271
01:03:13.525 --> 01:03:15.085
well it's also on our website,

1272
01:03:15.185 --> 01:03:18.885
but the thing is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 people sitting in this

1273
01:03:19.165 --> 01:03:21.645
audience and if you got 10 people to watch it,

1274
01:03:22.025 --> 01:03:23.525
that's double all we got here.

1275
01:03:23.625 --> 01:03:24.885
The information Okay then

1276
01:03:24.955 --> 01:03:27.885
that we should be interested in is putting out information.

1277
01:03:28.195 --> 01:03:30.885
Then the next, the next thing that maybe we need

1278
01:03:30.885 --> 01:03:33.445
to revisit if we do livestream,

1279
01:03:34.505 --> 01:03:36.725
um, is where we meet.

1280
01:03:37.365 --> 01:03:39.325
'cause one of the reasons that we said we wanted

1281
01:03:39.325 --> 01:03:43.295
to meet in this area, uh, when the proposal was made

1282
01:03:43.295 --> 01:03:47.815
by staff to meet in one location, uh, you know, was so

1283
01:03:47.815 --> 01:03:49.815
that our, our residents could attend.

1284
01:03:50.715 --> 01:03:54.055
But if we're gonna livestream, uh, then maybe we need

1285
01:03:54.055 --> 01:03:57.575
to revisit that so the people who are doing the livestream,

1286
01:03:58.355 --> 01:04:01.415
uh, don't have to go to a multiple facilities

1287
01:04:01.555 --> 01:04:03.015
to uh, do the recording.

1288
01:04:03.555 --> 01:04:06.295
And we go to one facility and they set the recording up

1289
01:04:06.295 --> 01:04:07.775
and they do it all there. So

1290
01:04:08.745 --> 01:04:12.855
Again, I refer to Cliff BOA

1291
01:04:13.755 --> 01:04:16.295
to tell us how

1292
01:04:17.085 --> 01:04:20.775
when you started the live streaming, the video, how did

1293
01:04:20.775 --> 01:04:22.895
that affect your inverse attendance?

1294
01:04:23.875 --> 01:04:27.335
It went down, but that's okay

1295
01:04:27.335 --> 01:04:30.775
because I was more interested in putting out information

1296
01:04:31.285 --> 01:04:33.455
than I was people sitting in an audience

1297
01:04:33.715 --> 01:04:38.005
and we still get 175

1298
01:04:38.025 --> 01:04:40.285
or 200 people if we have an interesting

1299
01:04:40.285 --> 01:04:41.885
speaker and carrie's Right.

1300
01:04:41.905 --> 01:04:45.525
You can't compare what I do or what the POA does to this.

1301
01:04:46.345 --> 01:04:50.405
My, my purpose in even wanting this to happen was,

1302
01:04:50.405 --> 01:04:54.685
number one, the old audio was awful to listen to.

1303
01:04:54.825 --> 01:04:56.325
And now when you listen to it,

1304
01:04:56.555 --> 01:04:58.165
it's pretty good and you can hear it.

1305
01:04:58.625 --> 01:05:01.725
So live streaming's out of the question for,

1306
01:05:01.865 --> 01:05:03.045
for us, I think.

1307
01:05:03.245 --> 01:05:05.045
I don't think that's important, Mike.

1308
01:05:05.185 --> 01:05:08.845
The issue is that you have a recording of it

1309
01:05:08.905 --> 01:05:10.805
so people can go to the website

1310
01:05:10.805 --> 01:05:13.645
and look at district four's October,

1311
01:05:14.685 --> 01:05:19.165
whatever today's date is meeting tomorrow or the next day or

1312
01:05:19.405 --> 01:05:21.685
whenever they so choose to do, um,

1313
01:05:22.385 --> 01:05:24.885
and go to district five next week

1314
01:05:24.945 --> 01:05:26.485
and district six and seven.

1315
01:05:26.915 --> 01:05:30.685
It's just, it gives residents the opportunity to do that.

1316
01:05:31.265 --> 01:05:35.445
And I think that that's what our primary purpose should be.

1317
01:05:35.825 --> 01:05:38.965
Um, we're not gonna hurt our attendance, that's for sure,

1318
01:05:38.965 --> 01:05:41.725
because we don't get a whole lot of people anyway.

1319
01:05:42.235 --> 01:05:43.405
Mark Kerry, I have a question.

1320
01:05:43.505 --> 01:05:45.605
You have a government day coming up? Yes, sir.

1321
01:05:45.745 --> 01:05:48.605
Uh, and you, you already have questionnaires correct.

1322
01:05:49.115 --> 01:05:51.005
That for residents to fill out? Yes, sir.

1323
01:05:51.305 --> 01:05:52.925
Is it too late to add add?

1324
01:05:53.055 --> 01:05:55.765
Would you be interested in adding that to it

1325
01:05:56.985 --> 01:05:58.565
or is it already been printed and everything?

1326
01:05:59.225 --> 01:06:01.645
Um, I, I'm, it's an electronic survey,

1327
01:06:01.825 --> 01:06:03.365
so it wouldn't be too late to add it.

1328
01:06:03.705 --> 01:06:08.215
The thing would come in, I don't, I don't know

1329
01:06:08.215 --> 01:06:12.175
that it would change residents opinion one way or another.

1330
01:06:12.325 --> 01:06:14.295
With video, it's more live streaming.

1331
01:06:14.525 --> 01:06:18.415
It's, it's, they have the ability to listen to it,

1332
01:06:18.435 --> 01:06:20.575
having the ability to visually see it.

1333
01:06:20.895 --> 01:06:23.695
I think that if this, that's what this board wants to do,

1334
01:06:23.925 --> 01:06:26.215
then I think that we move in that direction,

1335
01:06:26.305 --> 01:06:28.895
especially if we can get it done on a volunteer basis.

1336
01:06:29.915 --> 01:06:30.975
You have to understand,

1337
01:06:31.095 --> 01:06:33.015
and I'm not questioning the ability

1338
01:06:33.075 --> 01:06:34.695
of the audio visual group,

1339
01:06:34.755 --> 01:06:37.575
but you have to understand when you're doing it not on a

1340
01:06:37.575 --> 01:06:40.455
professional level, you're not gonna get professional

1341
01:06:41.515 --> 01:06:43.455
at the end of the way it looks.

1342
01:06:44.355 --> 01:06:46.335
For example, we, we told you that the challenge

1343
01:06:46.335 --> 01:06:49.175
with adding video the first time was the way the audio

1344
01:06:49.275 --> 01:06:53.375
system is linked and it's required to, in order to post it

1345
01:06:53.375 --> 01:06:56.935
and we have to record it under state statute, when you

1346
01:06:57.525 --> 01:07:01.935
link a video to that, when people watch me talk,

1347
01:07:02.075 --> 01:07:03.815
my mouth is, may not be linked up

1348
01:07:03.815 --> 01:07:04.975
to what's coming outta my mouth.

1349
01:07:05.535 --> 01:07:06.735
'cause of the delay in the, in the

1350
01:07:06.975 --> 01:07:07.975
Transmittal. That's right. In

1351
01:07:07.975 --> 01:07:10.295
addition, when we post the,

1352
01:07:11.035 --> 01:07:15.415
the audio onto the website, we also tag it per agenda item.

1353
01:07:16.315 --> 01:07:18.415
So you can go to your website

1354
01:07:18.595 --> 01:07:22.175
and you can go to old business, click on old business,

1355
01:07:22.195 --> 01:07:23.535
and then they will hear us talk.

1356
01:07:23.645 --> 01:07:25.375
They don't have to start at the beginning

1357
01:07:25.475 --> 01:07:26.895
and guess where to go through.

1358
01:07:27.055 --> 01:07:28.375
They can click on agenda items.

1359
01:07:29.155 --> 01:07:32.815
So that's going to, again, mess up the way the,

1360
01:07:33.035 --> 01:07:34.455
the video links with that.

1361
01:07:35.195 --> 01:07:38.015
Now, the audio visual group may say, Carrie, no,

1362
01:07:38.355 --> 01:07:39.935
we know exactly how to do this.

1363
01:07:39.995 --> 01:07:42.175
You're thinking of way, the way it was 10 years ago.

1364
01:07:42.395 --> 01:07:44.535
So I think us having a conversation

1365
01:07:44.535 --> 01:07:45.895
with them is the right way to go

1366
01:07:46.165 --> 01:07:48.455
because again, there may be technology out there

1367
01:07:48.455 --> 01:07:52.775
that I know nothing about and it may be easy as as pie.

1368
01:07:53.315 --> 01:07:54.775
So I think we start with that

1369
01:07:54.995 --> 01:07:59.535
and then, um, it won't be a huge cost to the district,

1370
01:07:59.535 --> 01:08:02.535
even if we have to buy, uh, the equipment,

1371
01:08:02.715 --> 01:08:05.775
if we have them doing it on a, a volunteer basis,

1372
01:08:06.395 --> 01:08:07.495
you would just have to know

1373
01:08:07.495 --> 01:08:10.415
that at some point if you wanted it to all sink together

1374
01:08:10.435 --> 01:08:11.535
and work out perfectly.

1375
01:08:12.875 --> 01:08:16.285
My opinion now is that we would probably have to go out

1376
01:08:16.345 --> 01:08:17.885
and have a company come in

1377
01:08:17.915 --> 01:08:19.805
with professional equipment and do it.

1378
01:08:20.385 --> 01:08:22.045
But I think this is the first step.

1379
01:08:22.135 --> 01:08:24.125
We'll talk to them and I should be able

1380
01:08:24.125 --> 01:08:25.765
to give you a pretty good update at your next meeting.

1381
01:08:25.945 --> 01:08:27.485
That's fine. I have another

1382
01:08:27.725 --> 01:08:28.725
Question. Yep.

1383
01:08:28.725 --> 01:08:28.945

1384
01:08:29.235 --> 01:08:33.125
Currently with the audio, we can click

1385
01:08:33.875 --> 01:08:38.365
through the audio to the agenda item that we want.

1386
01:08:38.385 --> 01:08:42.605
Mm-hmm. Uh, can you do that with the video in your

1387
01:08:43.395 --> 01:08:44.395
Yeah, you can move. Well,

1388
01:08:44.395 --> 01:08:45.725
you, we don't have an agenda,

1389
01:08:45.825 --> 01:08:47.605
but you can move it to where you want.

1390
01:08:48.025 --> 01:08:52.205
So if it's two hours long and you know it's around an hour

1391
01:08:52.205 --> 01:08:54.365
and 15 minutes, you can move to that spot.

1392
01:08:54.385 --> 01:08:55.805
You don't have to go through the whole thing.

1393
01:08:56.585 --> 01:08:59.445
See, the, the difference though, I, I believe is

1394
01:08:59.445 --> 01:09:01.285
that when you record his meeting,

1395
01:09:01.545 --> 01:09:05.045
you're recording it from one device that does the audio

1396
01:09:05.185 --> 01:09:06.285
and the video in one.

1397
01:09:06.285 --> 01:09:09.605
Correct. So it's already matched up. This won't be that.

1398
01:09:10.155 --> 01:09:12.485
This is going to be, they're recording the audio

1399
01:09:12.485 --> 01:09:14.925
through our system that attaches it to the agenda

1400
01:09:15.025 --> 01:09:16.445
for public records purposes.

1401
01:09:17.025 --> 01:09:18.725
And then you have a separate camera

1402
01:09:19.275 --> 01:09:22.045
that is recording the visual part.

1403
01:09:22.185 --> 01:09:24.125
And we would do our best to overlap it.

1404
01:09:24.525 --> 01:09:27.485
I, I, I personally think you need to start the dialogue

1405
01:09:27.515 --> 01:09:29.245
with the audio visual clip

1406
01:09:29.745 --> 01:09:32.045
and it might be possible to do

1407
01:09:32.555 --> 01:09:34.365
without having your mouth talking

1408
01:09:34.505 --> 01:09:36.085
and the sound coming out differently.

1409
01:09:36.305 --> 01:09:40.125
Yep. Times change rapidly and technology changes

1410
01:09:40.865 --> 01:09:42.325
and you'd be surprised where they are.

1411
01:09:42.345 --> 01:09:44.685
So until we have a conversation with somebody,

1412
01:09:44.785 --> 01:09:45.965
we have nothing.

1413
01:09:46.185 --> 01:09:48.135
So. Sure. There's a, there's a side.

1414
01:09:48.135 --> 01:09:51.685
As a side point, how many locations do you actually host

1415
01:09:51.685 --> 01:09:54.885
meetings from the district? District overall?

1416
01:09:55.225 --> 01:09:57.365
We have four. We have Savannah Center,

1417
01:09:57.545 --> 01:09:58.765
we have the district office,

1418
01:09:59.345 --> 01:10:01.645
we have Everglade, and we have Sea Breeze. Okay.

1419
01:10:02.435 --> 01:10:04.845
That covers all the CDs, right?

1420
01:10:05.425 --> 01:10:07.885
Yes sir. Like the

1421
01:10:07.885 --> 01:10:10.965
amenity. All, all those

1422
01:10:11.545 --> 01:10:13.485
For your meeting, how many cameras do you have?

1423
01:10:13.905 --> 01:10:18.205
One. And is there someone physically operating the

1424
01:10:18.205 --> 01:10:21.445
camera and going from one site to another

1425
01:10:21.515 --> 01:10:22.925
with the camera? Are it moving? It,

1426
01:10:23.745 --> 01:10:25.725
It, he isn't, but it can move.

1427
01:10:26.155 --> 01:10:28.885
Okay. The camera has the, the ability to,

1428
01:10:29.545 --> 01:10:32.165
that's why I say it's controlled off of a phone

1429
01:10:32.305 --> 01:10:34.405
or off of an iPad.

1430
01:10:34.875 --> 01:10:38.485
Okay. Mary County, they had live,

1431
01:10:39.835 --> 01:10:42.485
they have three camera press.

1432
01:10:43.395 --> 01:10:46.725
They have podium on one side, podium on the other side

1433
01:10:47.025 --> 01:10:48.885
and the podium on the whole board.

1434
01:10:50.025 --> 01:10:54.245
And so someone is switching from one

1435
01:10:54.385 --> 01:10:55.805
camera to the other.

1436
01:10:56.225 --> 01:10:57.365
You have someone at that podium

1437
01:10:57.425 --> 01:11:00.725
and then seat, they can go directly to them.

1438
01:11:01.515 --> 01:11:03.485
They can go back to the board, they can go

1439
01:11:03.485 --> 01:11:04.885
to an individual on the board,

1440
01:11:05.235 --> 01:11:06.885
they can go back to the other cameras.

1441
01:11:07.745 --> 01:11:10.325
So that's part of the operation process.

1442
01:11:12.025 --> 01:11:14.285
We don't necessarily have to admit the wheel.

1443
01:11:14.985 --> 01:11:17.845
Um, by the way, one of there county,

1444
01:11:18.415 --> 01:11:21.005
these people lives here in the villages,

1445
01:11:22.025 --> 01:11:23.685
but he works for in county.

1446
01:11:24.505 --> 01:11:28.045
So I know him and we can fix his brain

1447
01:11:28.105 --> 01:11:31.325
and they find out little bit more as well.

1448
01:11:33.125 --> 01:11:35.405
I just think that the conversation starts

1449
01:11:35.625 --> 01:11:36.725
and then we can go from there.

1450
01:11:36.725 --> 01:11:38.125
Yeah. We'll set up a meeting. Okay.

1451
01:11:40.065 --> 01:11:42.125
The next item on old business

1452
01:11:44.015 --> 01:11:46.165
Irrigation Is to, um, yes.

1453
01:11:46.165 --> 01:11:47.645
The irrigation heads

1454
01:11:47.645 --> 01:11:50.725
that we're spraying on the multimodal path, um,

1455
01:11:50.795 --> 01:11:52.965
that is routinely inspected by the contractor.

1456
01:11:53.105 --> 01:11:55.405
Of course they do get run over on a regular basis.

1457
01:11:56.225 --> 01:11:59.365
If you have areas, please, um, make, report them.

1458
01:11:59.465 --> 01:12:00.925
And we also have community watch

1459
01:12:00.925 --> 01:12:02.605
that are reporting them every night as well.

1460
01:12:03.045 --> 01:12:06.245
I just want to say, it says here that it, they get damaged

1461
01:12:06.245 --> 01:12:08.965
because golf carts drive over 'em.

1462
01:12:09.185 --> 01:12:11.485
The people that are driving the golf carts over 'em

1463
01:12:11.625 --> 01:12:12.765
and the cars and trucks

1464
01:12:12.785 --> 01:12:15.765
and trailers are CPR in District four.

1465
01:12:16.365 --> 01:12:19.325
'cause they pull their trucks onto the grass.

1466
01:12:19.945 --> 01:12:23.485
So they're the ones that are charging us fix the heads

1467
01:12:23.545 --> 01:12:25.205
and they're the ones that are running over 'em.

1468
01:12:25.525 --> 01:12:28.485
I just think, I just think that they need to be,

1469
01:12:28.665 --> 01:12:29.925
the other day I drove down

1470
01:12:29.945 --> 01:12:33.685
and there were three seat super trucks, three trailers

1471
01:12:33.985 --> 01:12:38.005
and two utility vehicles driving over one section

1472
01:12:38.105 --> 01:12:40.245
of Marion County on Buena Vista.

1473
01:12:40.785 --> 01:12:42.565
So all I'm asking for,

1474
01:12:42.865 --> 01:12:45.845
and especially now, I came here today in my golf cart

1475
01:12:46.145 --> 01:12:47.325
and almost got sprayed.

1476
01:12:47.675 --> 01:12:50.045
Okay. I understand it's a problem,

1477
01:12:50.625 --> 01:12:53.725
but they get somebody that's charging us to fix 'em.

1478
01:12:53.725 --> 01:12:55.365
And I don't think they're getting fixed enough

1479
01:12:55.365 --> 01:12:56.725
because sometimes they last for,

1480
01:12:56.785 --> 01:12:58.205
and it's not just Marion County.

1481
01:12:58.235 --> 01:12:59.525
It's not just district four.

1482
01:13:00.285 --> 01:13:01.725
Wherever I drive in the villages,

1483
01:13:01.875 --> 01:13:03.605
they're spraying in the streets

1484
01:13:03.825 --> 01:13:05.525
and in the, on the golf carts.

1485
01:13:06.045 --> 01:13:08.725
I understand what we're doing. We're lowering the ponds.

1486
01:13:09.465 --> 01:13:11.165
I'm just asking that they try

1487
01:13:11.165 --> 01:13:13.485
to be a little bit more prudent and fixing 'em.

1488
01:13:13.625 --> 01:13:14.885
That's why I brought it up.

1489
01:13:16.675 --> 01:13:18.325
When they replace 'em, if they would replace them

1490
01:13:18.325 --> 01:13:21.085
with the new style sprinklers, uh,

1491
01:13:21.085 --> 01:13:23.605
that would eliminate the problem completely,

1492
01:13:23.715 --> 01:13:27.285
even if they are spraying out on the, on the roadway.

1493
01:13:27.745 --> 01:13:30.205
So my understanding is that's what they're doing

1494
01:13:30.705 --> 01:13:32.085
and I hope that continues.

1495
01:13:32.225 --> 01:13:33.845
Uh, what's the name of those?

1496
01:13:33.905 --> 01:13:37.725
The ones that do the rotating sprinkler heads instead

1497
01:13:37.725 --> 01:13:38.765
of shooting out the spray

1498
01:13:40.345 --> 01:13:42.445
to have a different, the finer. The

1499
01:13:42.445 --> 01:13:43.445
Finer. Yeah. I, we

1500
01:13:43.445 --> 01:13:45.205
can confirm if they're being replaced with

1501
01:13:45.205 --> 01:13:46.205
Those. I think they're doing that.

1502
01:13:46.205 --> 01:13:47.245
Okay.

1503
01:13:48.625 --> 01:13:51.165
The next item on old business was, um,

1504
01:13:51.445 --> 01:13:53.685
a light pole update, which that is on,

1505
01:13:54.265 --> 01:13:55.765
um, district manager reports.

1506
01:13:55.885 --> 01:13:57.845
I can do it now or wait till then. It's, let's

1507
01:13:57.845 --> 01:13:58.845
Do it now. Okay. So

1508
01:13:58.845 --> 01:14:01.845
we did provide an update, um, to each one

1509
01:14:01.845 --> 01:14:02.965
of you from cco.

1510
01:14:02.965 --> 01:14:06.085
We had a meeting with them last week with Curtis Wind,

1511
01:14:07.105 --> 01:14:09.325
and they informed us

1512
01:14:09.325 --> 01:14:13.045
that they did receive a hundred million dollars grant, uh,

1513
01:14:13.145 --> 01:14:16.445
in which they are going to do another cost service analysis

1514
01:14:16.545 --> 01:14:20.685
to determine how that additional funding will impact

1515
01:14:21.305 --> 01:14:24.205
the cost that they are charging their users

1516
01:14:24.545 --> 01:14:26.165
for the rental of the area lights.

1517
01:14:26.745 --> 01:14:28.525
So that's not just in the villages.

1518
01:14:28.525 --> 01:14:30.365
That is for all of their services.

1519
01:14:31.025 --> 01:14:33.485
If you'll recall, they said essentially, um,

1520
01:14:33.875 --> 01:14:37.485
residential customers were, were picking up the slack of

1521
01:14:37.485 --> 01:14:40.165
what it costs to maintain those area lights.

1522
01:14:40.865 --> 01:14:43.765
But once they put this a hundred million dollars grant into

1523
01:14:44.025 --> 01:14:47.325
the, um, accounting for that, it may be different.

1524
01:14:47.805 --> 01:14:50.245
I would assume it would be vastly different

1525
01:14:50.245 --> 01:14:51.325
with a hundred million dollars.

1526
01:14:52.315 --> 01:14:54.365
They indicated that they would know

1527
01:14:54.625 --> 01:14:57.525
and have another analysis done after the first of the year

1528
01:14:58.345 --> 01:15:01.645
and have time for hopefully another meeting in which they

1529
01:15:01.645 --> 01:15:05.285
would invite all supervisors to attend again, to go through

1530
01:15:05.285 --> 01:15:08.205
that budgeting process processes to where they're landing.

1531
01:15:09.465 --> 01:15:13.125
My hope is that that second 50% increase is not going

1532
01:15:13.125 --> 01:15:15.285
to be needed once they take this into account.

1533
01:15:15.745 --> 01:15:17.685
Um, they certainly didn't make any promises,

1534
01:15:17.825 --> 01:15:19.565
but they know what our, our hope is.

1535
01:15:20.185 --> 01:15:24.805
Um, so at this point, most districts are going to wait

1536
01:15:25.215 --> 01:15:28.485
until we find out how that impacts.

1537
01:15:28.905 --> 01:15:31.245
Um, we do have some districts that are still wanting

1538
01:15:31.265 --> 01:15:33.285
to look at alternatives moving forward.

1539
01:15:33.985 --> 01:15:38.045
Um, so at this point, I'll turn it over to the board as to

1540
01:15:38.115 --> 01:15:40.205
what, if anything you would like staff to be doing.

1541
01:15:40.905 --> 01:15:42.885
But we continue to have those conversations

1542
01:15:42.885 --> 01:15:44.605
with Mr. Wynn, their CEO.

1543
01:15:44.915 --> 01:15:48.445
Okay. I I you're doing good. Keep, keep talking.

1544
01:15:48.825 --> 01:15:52.205
But I also had a conversation with the chairman of the board

1545
01:15:52.205 --> 01:15:54.765
of trustees and the biggest part of

1546
01:15:54.765 --> 01:15:57.685
that raise I was told was for changing the lights

1547
01:15:57.705 --> 01:16:01.405
to LED lights, which have to be done by 2029.

1548
01:16:02.395 --> 01:16:03.965
Okay. By federal mandate.

1549
01:16:04.745 --> 01:16:06.365
So if they got a hundred million dollars

1550
01:16:07.665 --> 01:16:10.965
and the biggest part of their service area is the villages

1551
01:16:11.115 --> 01:16:14.085
between all the DI districts, one through 10,

1552
01:16:14.765 --> 01:16:16.245
a c the developer.

1553
01:16:16.765 --> 01:16:18.805
I thought that too, but they informed me

1554
01:16:18.805 --> 01:16:20.325
that it is not. I thought,

1555
01:16:20.325 --> 01:16:21.685
Well, that's not what we'll see.

1556
01:16:21.685 --> 01:16:23.245
We're getting two different things Okay.

1557
01:16:23.355 --> 01:16:24.405
From two different people.

1558
01:16:24.785 --> 01:16:28.485
But at any rate, I was led to believe also

1559
01:16:28.995 --> 01:16:32.285
that we could see a reduction, not all of it,

1560
01:16:32.345 --> 01:16:34.845
but a, a sizable reduction.

1561
01:16:34.995 --> 01:16:38.685
Because the biggest part of this change that we got charged

1562
01:16:38.705 --> 01:16:42.965
for, I believe is the changing the lights to LED lights.

1563
01:16:43.315 --> 01:16:46.285
Okay. So I think we need them to play out

1564
01:16:46.475 --> 01:16:48.565
what they're gonna do and have the next meeting.

1565
01:16:49.025 --> 01:16:52.165
And then I think we, when, if and when they have,

1566
01:16:52.165 --> 01:16:54.525
and I was sorry I was wasn't here for the last meeting,

1567
01:16:54.605 --> 01:16:57.525
I was up north, but when they have

1568
01:16:57.525 --> 01:16:58.845
this meeting, I will be there.

1569
01:16:59.305 --> 01:17:02.885
And I think we need to have this board represented

1570
01:17:03.065 --> 01:17:04.885
and ask them some hard questions

1571
01:17:04.885 --> 01:17:08.805
because personally I don't think they're giving us

1572
01:17:08.865 --> 01:17:09.930
all the information.

1573
01:17:10.145 --> 01:17:11.885
That's just my opinion. Okay.

1574
01:17:12.225 --> 01:17:14.245
Um, I understand what they gotta do,

1575
01:17:14.865 --> 01:17:17.445
but if, if we could get out

1576
01:17:17.445 --> 01:17:19.965
of this without having the second raise in

1577
01:17:19.965 --> 01:17:22.125
2025, that would be huge.

1578
01:17:22.835 --> 01:17:25.565
Because I personally don't see any way

1579
01:17:26.875 --> 01:17:31.525
that we can take on the responsibility of poles.

1580
01:17:31.805 --> 01:17:33.925
I, I, I know district two and seven

1581
01:17:33.985 --> 01:17:36.765
and other districts are interested guys,

1582
01:17:37.425 --> 01:17:39.125
and it was brought up in district two.

1583
01:17:39.545 --> 01:17:42.245
The wires that feed those poles are owned by CCO.

1584
01:17:42.785 --> 01:17:46.005
And I installed so many of those that it wasn't funny.

1585
01:17:46.805 --> 01:17:49.445
I know how much work goes and I know how much that costs.

1586
01:17:49.465 --> 01:17:51.325
And without those, you have nothing

1587
01:17:51.545 --> 01:17:53.085
and you have to start from scratch.

1588
01:17:53.945 --> 01:17:55.965
And that's trenching laying that.

1589
01:17:56.525 --> 01:17:59.205
I mean, it becomes mindboggling when you think about it.

1590
01:17:59.465 --> 01:18:02.885
So I think we need to let this issue with SQL play out

1591
01:18:02.885 --> 01:18:05.045
and hopefully we can come to some kind

1592
01:18:05.045 --> 01:18:06.765
of compromise where it gets cheaper.

1593
01:18:07.325 --> 01:18:09.925
'cause that's gonna be the easiest way out for us. Period.

1594
01:18:10.505 --> 01:18:13.445
End of the story. There's polls down all over now.

1595
01:18:13.705 --> 01:18:15.245
And that is stocks recommendation

1596
01:18:15.245 --> 01:18:16.885
because you're, you're exactly right.

1597
01:18:18.195 --> 01:18:19.685
Yeah. Change, change the data on

1598
01:18:19.685 --> 01:18:21.725
that second 50% that it still shows.

1599
01:18:21.725 --> 01:18:23.005
That should be 25.

1600
01:18:24.065 --> 01:18:25.245
Yes sir. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

1601
01:18:25.425 --> 01:18:27.405
It should don just wordsmith.

1602
01:18:28.465 --> 01:18:31.645
I'm trying to remember exactly what the number was

1603
01:18:31.755 --> 01:18:35.165
that they told us at the meeting that they were trying

1604
01:18:35.265 --> 01:18:36.405
to make up.

1605
01:18:37.345 --> 01:18:39.285
How many million dollars were they?

1606
01:18:42.665 --> 01:18:45.605
My recollec. So like $15 million

1607
01:18:46.395 --> 01:18:48.485
Thought that's what it was. I agree.

1608
01:18:49.065 --> 01:18:51.685
And then here they suddenly got a gift

1609
01:18:51.785 --> 01:18:55.685
of a hundred million dollars and it's interest free.

1610
01:18:55.685 --> 01:18:59.125
It is not loan. It's a grant. It's a grant, isn't it?

1611
01:18:59.995 --> 01:19:02.085
Well, a a portion of it is a grant

1612
01:19:02.145 --> 01:19:04.565
and then a portion of it is a low interest loan.

1613
01:19:05.035 --> 01:19:07.845
Okay. But believe me,

1614
01:19:07.845 --> 01:19:10.045
the grant was more than $15 million,

1615
01:19:10.135 --> 01:19:12.365
which is the amount they gave us to make up.

1616
01:19:12.825 --> 01:19:17.045
So I I, with all the discussions I've had

1617
01:19:17.675 --> 01:19:21.245
with the, the, uh, chairman of the board

1618
01:19:21.865 --> 01:19:25.485
of trustees, I have trouble grasping everything they're

1619
01:19:25.485 --> 01:19:29.005
saying and, and making it add up to the to

1620
01:19:29.005 --> 01:19:32.565
and to is for I, I just, I think we need to let it play out.

1621
01:19:32.565 --> 01:19:35.565
And I think you and and Kenny need to continue

1622
01:19:35.625 --> 01:19:37.245
to the conversations

1623
01:19:37.305 --> 01:19:40.325
and hopefully we can come to some kind of working agreement.

1624
01:19:40.965 --> 01:19:44.165
'cause the one thing that I have expressed over and over

1625
01:19:44.185 --> 01:19:47.405
and over again when I read my conversation is,

1626
01:19:48.505 --> 01:19:50.845
the districts are not happy about this.

1627
01:19:51.385 --> 01:19:52.485
And there's gotta be a way

1628
01:19:52.485 --> 01:19:54.045
to rectify what I was just saying.

1629
01:19:54.715 --> 01:19:56.525
This is the way it is and you're done.

1630
01:19:56.865 --> 01:19:59.565
And, and they might be big,

1631
01:19:59.665 --> 01:20:03.605
but I think there's unity, there's, there's power.

1632
01:20:03.705 --> 01:20:06.285
And I think they, they're starting to understand that.

1633
01:20:06.665 --> 01:20:11.645
And, and also in February, I was led to believe that the

1634
01:20:13.205 --> 01:20:14.805
chairman is up for reelection.

1635
01:20:14.925 --> 01:20:17.165
I believe all the trustees are up for reelection.

1636
01:20:17.225 --> 01:20:18.645
And I believe it's in February.

1637
01:20:18.915 --> 01:20:21.045
Because one of the questions he asked me was,

1638
01:20:21.045 --> 01:20:24.805
would would the POA support him if you

1639
01:20:25.465 --> 01:20:27.085
for a position again?

1640
01:20:27.545 --> 01:20:30.565
And I said, can't answer that question right now.

1641
01:20:31.065 --> 01:20:35.325
So there there are, there are opportunities for us

1642
01:20:35.425 --> 01:20:36.885
to try and rectify this.

1643
01:20:36.905 --> 01:20:38.365
And I appreciate staff doing.

1644
01:20:38.605 --> 01:20:40.365
'cause I know he told me that there's been meetings with

1645
01:20:40.745 --> 01:20:42.445
and we just need to keep doing that.

1646
01:20:42.825 --> 01:20:44.445
Yes, sir. And I believe you said their meeting

1647
01:20:44.545 --> 01:20:45.565
was gonna be in April.

1648
01:20:46.435 --> 01:20:47.845
That is about March or April.

1649
01:20:48.035 --> 01:20:50.325
That is about the time that they think they will have their

1650
01:20:50.325 --> 01:20:51.725
cost analysis study back

1651
01:20:51.825 --> 01:20:56.005
and be able to, um, notify us how that will impact

1652
01:20:56.115 --> 01:20:57.485
that next increase.

1653
01:20:57.985 --> 01:21:02.165
And we did ask that they continue at least quarterly or

1654
01:21:02.265 --> 01:21:05.925
or twice a year meetings in which they invite all

1655
01:21:06.275 --> 01:21:08.205
supervisors to come and be a part of that.

1656
01:21:08.585 --> 01:21:11.085
And we ask that, that meeting when they advise us

1657
01:21:11.105 --> 01:21:13.885
how it's going to impact that, that be one of the meetings

1658
01:21:13.885 --> 01:21:15.445
where all supervisors can come

1659
01:21:15.445 --> 01:21:17.165
and have conversation and ask questions.

1660
01:21:17.435 --> 01:21:21.485
Okay. And then finally,

1661
01:21:22.705 --> 01:21:24.845
um, well next we still have a couple more, uh,

1662
01:21:24.845 --> 01:21:28.765
replace the RPMs on the multimodal path near the Soar villas

1663
01:21:28.835 --> 01:21:31.765
that was replaced, um, back on September 18th.

1664
01:21:33.315 --> 01:21:35.365
Provide timeframe to replace Village

1665
01:21:35.425 --> 01:21:38.165
and Villa Lights from incandescent to LEDs.

1666
01:21:38.625 --> 01:21:41.805
Um, they are doing it as they fail.

1667
01:21:42.605 --> 01:21:45.725
DPM has a project to transition all of those, um,

1668
01:21:45.955 --> 01:21:47.405
this coming fiscal year.

1669
01:21:47.585 --> 01:21:49.525
So it should be complete by the end of the year.

1670
01:21:50.385 --> 01:21:52.125
Um, but if anything changes

1671
01:21:52.425 --> 01:21:54.965
or if it, um, once it's complete, we will let you know.

1672
01:21:55.715 --> 01:21:59.645
Okay. The last item was for Mr.

1673
01:21:59.835 --> 01:22:01.885
Brianis to provide a written opinion

1674
01:22:02.025 --> 01:22:05.405
of the IRS tax withholding, which was emailed to each of you

1675
01:22:05.425 --> 01:22:07.765
by the clerk's office, I believe on Monday.

1676
01:22:11.285 --> 01:22:13.605
I didn't We can resend it.

1677
01:22:15.745 --> 01:22:16.965
Can you resend that please?

1678
01:22:19.545 --> 01:22:23.965
And that concludes old business, uh, with the exception.

1679
01:22:24.065 --> 01:22:25.325
I'm sorry. We do have one more.

1680
01:22:25.465 --> 01:22:28.205
Um, we have a presentation from Mr. Armstrong.

1681
01:22:28.345 --> 01:22:30.965
The board did ask him to put some information together

1682
01:22:31.505 --> 01:22:33.765
on an architectural review hearing officer.

1683
01:22:34.065 --> 01:22:36.765
So I will turn it over to him to provide, um,

1684
01:22:36.795 --> 01:22:38.685
some information and statistics on that.

1685
01:22:47.375 --> 01:22:48.245
Hello Board, Matt

1686
01:22:48.245 --> 01:22:49.725
Armstrong, director of Community Standards.

1687
01:22:49.725 --> 01:22:52.565
So at your last board meeting, you did request information

1688
01:22:52.565 --> 01:22:55.285
regarding the Architectural Review Hearing Officer

1689
01:22:56.105 --> 01:22:58.405
in comparison with the Architectural Review Committee.

1690
01:22:58.605 --> 01:23:00.125
I have a presentation for you here.

1691
01:23:01.505 --> 01:23:03.365
So it just has a backdrop of information.

1692
01:23:03.365 --> 01:23:04.405
The Architectural Review Committee

1693
01:23:04.465 --> 01:23:07.405
and the Architectural Review hearing officer both do the

1694
01:23:07.405 --> 01:23:09.525
same function and that they administratively review

1695
01:23:09.625 --> 01:23:12.325
and approve or deny architectural review applications

1696
01:23:12.325 --> 01:23:14.685
for external modifications to the home or home site.

1697
01:23:15.235 --> 01:23:17.365
Currently, C DD number is one through 10

1698
01:23:17.365 --> 01:23:19.925
and the Lady Lake Lake County portion utilize the

1699
01:23:19.925 --> 01:23:20.925
Architectural Review Committee

1700
01:23:21.465 --> 01:23:24.925
and c DDS number 11 through 15 in the Middleton a area

1701
01:23:25.805 --> 01:23:27.175
have the architectural review.

1702
01:23:27.175 --> 01:23:30.815
Hearing Officer districts one

1703
01:23:30.815 --> 01:23:32.855
through 10 entered into an interlocal agreement

1704
01:23:32.855 --> 01:23:34.575
with Village Center Community Development District

1705
01:23:34.575 --> 01:23:36.215
to create the Architectural Review Committee

1706
01:23:36.235 --> 01:23:39.055
to review owner applications for modifications.

1707
01:23:39.895 --> 01:23:42.415
District 11 and 12 entered into an interlocal agreement

1708
01:23:42.475 --> 01:23:44.535
to provide an architectural review hearing officer

1709
01:23:44.595 --> 01:23:45.695
to review the applications

1710
01:23:46.075 --> 01:23:48.215
and the district's 13 through 15 under the purview

1711
01:23:48.215 --> 01:23:50.615
of the developer, they provide the architectural review

1712
01:23:50.615 --> 01:23:52.495
hearing officer to review those applications.

1713
01:23:55.275 --> 01:23:58.815
The architectural View Hearing Officer as a, just in a,

1714
01:23:58.835 --> 01:24:01.815
the responsibilities and a nutshell review all

1715
01:24:01.835 --> 01:24:04.575
of the applications when it comes to external modifications.

1716
01:24:04.575 --> 01:24:07.135
They conduct a public meeting just like the

1717
01:24:07.205 --> 01:24:08.415
volunteer committee does.

1718
01:24:08.995 --> 01:24:11.615
The Architect Architectural Review hearing officer shall sit

1719
01:24:11.615 --> 01:24:13.015
as an impartial hearing officer

1720
01:24:13.195 --> 01:24:15.095
to determine based on the evidence presented

1721
01:24:15.095 --> 01:24:18.175
during the meeting, the external modification adheres

1722
01:24:18.175 --> 01:24:20.015
to the district's adopted rules

1723
01:24:20.435 --> 01:24:21.855
or the Architectural Review manual.

1724
01:24:22.435 --> 01:24:23.775
And again, the authority to approve

1725
01:24:23.775 --> 01:24:26.975
or deny the exterior modifications for resides, um,

1726
01:24:27.345 --> 01:24:29.215
based on the district's adopted rules

1727
01:24:29.235 --> 01:24:30.415
and the Architectural Review manual

1728
01:24:30.675 --> 01:24:33.335
or in the, when it comes to the districts

1729
01:24:33.335 --> 01:24:34.895
that are certainly currently under the purview

1730
01:24:34.895 --> 01:24:37.575
of the developer, um, his architectural review manual

1731
01:24:39.475 --> 01:24:41.295
and the de restrictions for that was districts.

1732
01:24:42.115 --> 01:24:43.255
So as a cost comparison,

1733
01:24:43.475 --> 01:24:44.855
the Architectural Review Hearing officer,

1734
01:24:44.875 --> 01:24:49.095
the hourly rate is currently $200 an hour travel time from

1735
01:24:49.095 --> 01:24:51.455
the office to the meeting location is recorded

1736
01:24:51.455 --> 01:24:52.615
at that hourly rate as well.

1737
01:24:53.435 --> 01:24:56.015
We took a snapshot when I created this presentation,

1738
01:24:56.135 --> 01:24:59.695
I was using the late, the latest data I had of invoices

1739
01:24:59.695 --> 01:25:00.695
that were submitted

1740
01:25:00.715 --> 01:25:02.335
by the Architectural View Hearing officer.

1741
01:25:02.395 --> 01:25:04.695
So I have a January through June timeline.

1742
01:25:05.435 --> 01:25:06.495
If you take a look at,

1743
01:25:06.755 --> 01:25:09.815
if you utilize the Architectural View Hearing Officer, what

1744
01:25:09.815 --> 01:25:11.415
that would come out to on a monthly basis.

1745
01:25:11.555 --> 01:25:14.695
But over a six month period, it was an approximate cost

1746
01:25:14.815 --> 01:25:16.295
of $211 per month.

1747
01:25:18.445 --> 01:25:20.975
Currently, if you're looking at the, um,

1748
01:25:21.565 --> 01:25:22.935
architectural review committee,

1749
01:25:23.265 --> 01:25:24.535
legal counsel representation,

1750
01:25:24.955 --> 01:25:27.815
and then with also the mileage reimbursement calculation

1751
01:25:27.815 --> 01:25:30.855
that we, that you approved, uh, the hourly rate right now

1752
01:25:30.875 --> 01:25:33.655
for your legal counsel is $206 an hour.

1753
01:25:33.915 --> 01:25:35.095
The expenses incurred

1754
01:25:35.595 --> 01:25:38.255
for legal counsel representation at the meetings each

1755
01:25:38.255 --> 01:25:39.295
month is listed there.

1756
01:25:39.495 --> 01:25:41.775
Specific to your district, if you were

1757
01:25:41.775 --> 01:25:43.375
to pay your architectural view mileage,

1758
01:25:43.375 --> 01:25:45.815
which you have now approved to do so moving forward,

1759
01:25:46.915 --> 01:25:49.815
the current primary is 22.8 miles round trip.

1760
01:25:50.275 --> 01:25:52.535
If we, when we move to the Brownwood location.

1761
01:25:52.635 --> 01:25:54.775
So that's the numbers that we utilize

1762
01:25:54.875 --> 01:25:55.975
to calculate those numbers.

1763
01:25:56.515 --> 01:25:59.815
So a six month average, you're looking at $234 per month.

1764
01:25:59.835 --> 01:26:01.815
So a $20 difference per month between

1765
01:26:02.435 --> 01:26:03.845
the DECOMPLIANCE Hearing Officer

1766
01:26:04.145 --> 01:26:06.245
and utilizing your current format that you have.

1767
01:26:08.825 --> 01:26:10.005
So these considerations

1768
01:26:10.005 --> 01:26:11.765
to take a look at is your interlocal agreement

1769
01:26:11.785 --> 01:26:13.085
for the Architectural Review Committee.

1770
01:26:13.225 --> 01:26:15.365
And if any changes are to be made an amendment

1771
01:26:15.385 --> 01:26:17.365
and restatement of that rule, uh,

1772
01:26:17.365 --> 01:26:18.565
to bring about Decompliance.

1773
01:26:19.025 --> 01:26:21.085
And if you have any questions, I'm here

1774
01:26:21.085 --> 01:26:22.645
to help answer them along with legal counsel.

1775
01:26:23.205 --> 01:26:27.965
I do. I'm sure you realize that is the 211

1776
01:26:28.065 --> 01:26:31.485
and the 224, that's the total for

1777
01:26:32.145 --> 01:26:34.125
the six month period. 200.

1778
01:26:34.305 --> 01:26:37.405
That's the average per month. That's the average. What

1779
01:26:37.575 --> 01:26:38.575
Total? No, each

1780
01:26:38.575 --> 01:26:40.365
of those it would be 400

1781
01:26:40.425 --> 01:26:43.885
and some dollars for the hearing off.

1782
01:26:43.995 --> 01:26:45.725
It's 211 for the hearing officer.

1783
01:26:45.835 --> 01:26:50.645
It's 234 for our legal counsel. Is that what you're saying?

1784
01:26:51.265 --> 01:26:52.725
No, it would be either or if you were

1785
01:26:52.725 --> 01:26:54.285
to utilize the architectural view,

1786
01:26:54.285 --> 01:26:55.805
hearing off legal counsel is

1787
01:26:55.805 --> 01:26:57.325
not represented at those meetings.

1788
01:26:57.545 --> 01:27:02.125
So you're looking at $211 on average per month over

1789
01:27:02.125 --> 01:27:03.165
that six month period.

1790
01:27:03.265 --> 01:27:05.405
If you were, if you did utilize the architectural view

1791
01:27:05.405 --> 01:27:08.285
hearing officer and in that same span of time.

1792
01:27:08.595 --> 01:27:10.885
Okay. So it's a wash. It's a wash. Okay.

1793
01:27:10.885 --> 01:27:13.005
So my question is, let's go back to this.

1794
01:27:13.485 --> 01:27:17.165
I served as the chairman of that a RC for four years.

1795
01:27:17.235 --> 01:27:19.885
When it first started, we didn't have legal consult.

1796
01:27:21.175 --> 01:27:25.075
So now the A RC does have legal consult, so I'm kind

1797
01:27:25.075 --> 01:27:26.995
of confused as to where that came from.

1798
01:27:27.655 --> 01:27:29.755
Um, number one,

1799
01:27:30.655 --> 01:27:35.315
in looking at the agenda for the special hearing officer

1800
01:27:36.625 --> 01:27:40.195
this past week, it seems to be getting larger and larger.

1801
01:27:40.335 --> 01:27:42.795
Pretty soon there's gonna be more hearings

1802
01:27:42.795 --> 01:27:45.635
for him than there is for the A RC, which is the problem

1803
01:27:46.835 --> 01:27:49.805
that I find with the A RC that they're too overloaded.

1804
01:27:50.145 --> 01:27:53.245
So I I'm not quite sure

1805
01:27:56.065 --> 01:27:59.525
how to go on what my, I'm changing my opinion.

1806
01:27:59.625 --> 01:28:03.795
It is if the, if the hearing officer is overloaded,

1807
01:28:03.855 --> 01:28:06.115
number one, he meets at one in the afternoon.

1808
01:28:06.625 --> 01:28:09.515
Okay. He meets at Franklin, which is really fire.

1809
01:28:10.095 --> 01:28:14.435
Uh, we're asking our residents to go

1810
01:28:14.435 --> 01:28:18.115
to Franklin if they, if they have an issue taking all

1811
01:28:18.115 --> 01:28:19.835
of those things into consideration.

1812
01:28:20.455 --> 01:28:24.115
I'm not sure that I agree with what I started to agree with.

1813
01:28:24.895 --> 01:28:29.235
Um, and as the villages gets bigger, districts 15

1814
01:28:29.295 --> 01:28:32.915
and 16 are all gonna go to the special hearing officer,

1815
01:28:32.915 --> 01:28:34.675
they're not gonna go anywhere else.

1816
01:28:35.375 --> 01:28:39.075
So you're gonna end up probably having two hearing officers.

1817
01:28:39.395 --> 01:28:40.835
'cause I'm not, I'm not sure

1818
01:28:40.835 --> 01:28:42.915
how much more he can handle to tell you the truth.

1819
01:28:43.535 --> 01:28:45.075
Uh, so that's a concern.

1820
01:28:45.615 --> 01:28:50.115
Um, so I'm, I those are just my views on,

1821
01:28:50.455 --> 01:28:51.915
on this at this point.

1822
01:28:52.345 --> 01:28:53.635
Mark or, uh, Kerry?

1823
01:28:54.855 --> 01:28:58.195
Uh, yeah, Matt, I I guess I'm, uh,

1824
01:28:58.345 --> 01:28:59.915
continu astounded

1825
01:29:01.275 --> 01:29:05.395
With this $211 a month.

1826
01:29:07.865 --> 01:29:11.035
When, when does the, uh, hearing officer meet

1827
01:29:12.085 --> 01:29:14.355
Every Wednesday afternoon at the Franklin Recreation

1828
01:29:14.355 --> 01:29:15.955
Center Every Wednesday afternoon.

1829
01:29:16.015 --> 01:29:18.235
Mm-hmm. And about how long

1830
01:29:20.645 --> 01:29:22.455
does he, does it take,

1831
01:29:24.035 --> 01:29:25.615
It depends on the number of applications

1832
01:29:25.615 --> 01:29:28.335
and how many people attend to have conversations with him.

1833
01:29:28.445 --> 01:29:31.735
Currently he's ending right around 3 30, 4 o'clock.

1834
01:29:31.795 --> 01:29:34.015
So almost three hours, two and a half, three hours. It,

1835
01:29:34.015 --> 01:29:36.135
It, it's got as big as the ERC there.

1836
01:29:36.315 --> 01:29:38.895
No, but what I, what I'm saying is, I,

1837
01:29:39.875 --> 01:29:41.175
I'm not getting the figures.

1838
01:29:42.445 --> 01:29:46.625
So if he's meeting for three hours a week at $200 an hour,

1839
01:29:48.365 --> 01:29:51.785
that's $600 a week.

1840
01:29:53.895 --> 01:29:55.705
What, what am I missing? I'm, I'm sorry.

1841
01:29:55.865 --> 01:29:57.545
I I'm not understanding.

1842
01:29:58.285 --> 01:30:01.225
We could, what they did is they took the amount

1843
01:30:01.225 --> 01:30:05.505
of applications we have for an average, just so they're,

1844
01:30:05.505 --> 01:30:07.945
they're breaking out with our, what?

1845
01:30:07.945 --> 01:30:12.185
That would be our cost strictly would be Okay. Alright. Yep.

1846
01:30:12.445 --> 01:30:14.345
If, if you would've chosen to have

1847
01:30:14.345 --> 01:30:15.825
that over the last six months,

1848
01:30:15.825 --> 01:30:17.145
that's what it would've cost you.

1849
01:30:18.255 --> 01:30:19.905
Okay. Done.

1850
01:30:20.695 --> 01:30:23.345
That kind of translates into our district as a third

1851
01:30:23.365 --> 01:30:27.745
of all the complaints and put 200 out of 600.

1852
01:30:27.765 --> 01:30:30.585
That's a third. Um, you know,

1853
01:30:30.585 --> 01:30:32.265
the numbers, I don't understand.

1854
01:30:32.765 --> 01:30:37.385
You can turn your handout to page five minute,

1855
01:30:38.965 --> 01:30:41.385
um, give you some numbers to write down.

1856
01:30:42.725 --> 01:30:46.425
Um, first of all, Matt, on page five,

1857
01:30:47.165 --> 01:30:51.225
the travel time, uh, when you talk about our

1858
01:30:53.295 --> 01:30:57.485
going through from the meeting it from

1859
01:30:57.785 --> 01:31:00.365
to the meeting back home again

1860
01:31:01.585 --> 01:31:04.525
for this hearing officer, is it only

1861
01:31:04.875 --> 01:31:08.455
through the meeting? It is a round trip.

1862
01:31:08.765 --> 01:31:11.855
It's a round trip. Okay. That was not clear.

1863
01:31:14.025 --> 01:31:17.445
Um, and I'm still on page five.

1864
01:31:18.145 --> 01:31:19.765
You gave the average six months

1865
01:31:20.355 --> 01:31:24.245
cost 211 per month for the board.

1866
01:31:25.025 --> 01:31:26.325
Six months. And it adds up

1867
01:31:26.325 --> 01:31:31.325
to 1,266

1868
01:31:34.075 --> 01:31:34.925
Adds up to

1869
01:31:34.945 --> 01:31:39.765
$2,532 to 12 months.

1870
01:31:41.365 --> 01:31:45.105
You go to page six, now we're talking about

1871
01:31:45.755 --> 01:31:49.065
legal counsel and Miley

1872
01:31:49.805 --> 01:31:51.865
and a RC moderate,

1873
01:31:55.355 --> 01:31:59.055
um, at an average of $234 per month,

1874
01:32:00.465 --> 01:32:03.765
six months would be

1875
01:32:04.105 --> 01:32:06.685
$2,808

1876
01:32:08.545 --> 01:32:10.845
for 12 months would be

1877
01:32:10.845 --> 01:32:14.565
$5,660 for the year.

1878
01:32:16.655 --> 01:32:21.485
Based on these two figures, then the hearing officer

1879
01:32:22.105 --> 01:32:25.165
versus legal counsel, the, a RT meeting

1880
01:32:25.345 --> 01:32:28.325
and then a RT volunteer, um,

1881
01:32:29.155 --> 01:32:31.205
that clause on page six double

1882
01:32:31.995 --> 01:32:33.605
that the cost of the hearing officer?

1883
01:32:34.065 --> 01:32:38.165
No, the, the hearing officer does not have a lawyer there.

1884
01:32:38.425 --> 01:32:39.845
So there are no lawyer fees.

1885
01:32:40.635 --> 01:32:42.445
Okay. So it's one or the other.

1886
01:32:42.785 --> 01:32:45.085
Yes, I Understand. Okay. That's what I'm saying.

1887
01:32:45.265 --> 01:32:47.405
So it's cheaper. It's actually a

1888
01:32:47.405 --> 01:32:52.285
Hearing officer is $2,532 on day five

1889
01:32:53.225 --> 01:32:57.925
for 12 months for legal counsel representation

1890
01:32:58.265 --> 01:32:59.325
at a RC meeting.

1891
01:33:00.145 --> 01:33:04.835
And a RC Molly's reimbursement is 5,660.

1892
01:33:05.655 --> 01:33:06.675
So if we continue

1893
01:33:07.495 --> 01:33:08.495
No, it's not. No, it's

1894
01:33:08.495 --> 01:33:10.755
not. It's 12 times 2 34,

1895
01:33:10.845 --> 01:33:13.435
which is $2,600 roughly

1896
01:33:16.415 --> 01:33:17.415
For six months.

1897
01:33:17.735 --> 01:33:21.595
2,808 for 12 months.

1898
01:33:22.015 --> 01:33:24.555
It six 5,660.

1899
01:33:25.315 --> 01:33:26.355
I I don't know where the five

1900
01:33:26.595 --> 01:33:27.755
thousand's coming from. Don. I'm

1901
01:33:28.055 --> 01:33:29.055
12.

1902
01:33:29.895 --> 01:33:31.475
2 34 times from,

1903
01:33:32.745 --> 01:33:36.955
Yeah, so it's three,

1904
01:33:36.955 --> 01:33:37.955
That's $2,800. 23

1905
01:33:37.955 --> 01:33:40.875
is $2,800. Where do you get 5,000?

1906
01:33:40.895 --> 01:33:42.435
That's the part I'm having trouble with.

1907
01:33:42.855 --> 01:33:47.445
Uh, I 2 34 per month times 12.

1908
01:33:47.555 --> 01:33:48.685
It's $2,800.

1909
01:33:49.915 --> 01:33:53.405
It's a wash. One is 2 34. One is two 11.

1910
01:33:53.435 --> 01:33:55.885
There's a difference of 20 some dollars, guys.

1911
01:33:56.605 --> 01:34:00.925
I, it, it's not, it's not the cost. It is the process.

1912
01:34:01.875 --> 01:34:03.725
That is the issue. Okay.

1913
01:34:04.185 --> 01:34:08.645
And I don't think anybody sitting at this table has been

1914
01:34:08.805 --> 01:34:10.765
to a special, has been

1915
01:34:10.765 --> 01:34:13.205
to the special hearing officer but me.

1916
01:34:14.395 --> 01:34:16.005
Okay. Mark, you've been there. And,

1917
01:34:16.145 --> 01:34:19.885
and I am telling you that when this was first proposed

1918
01:34:20.465 --> 01:34:22.565
and I first started going to those meetings,

1919
01:34:23.545 --> 01:34:26.845
it was 45 minutes or an hour and, and there were done.

1920
01:34:27.045 --> 01:34:28.205
'cause there weren't that many,

1921
01:34:28.455 --> 01:34:29.805
there weren't that many cases.

1922
01:34:30.525 --> 01:34:32.445
I looked at the, uh, the agenda

1923
01:34:32.585 --> 01:34:35.405
for last Wednesday, and it was huge.

1924
01:34:35.765 --> 01:34:37.325
I mean, I was shocked. I just couldn't

1925
01:34:37.325 --> 01:34:38.445
believe all of the cases.

1926
01:34:38.665 --> 01:34:42.485
And it's only going to get bigger if the developer continues

1927
01:34:42.485 --> 01:34:46.125
to build because most of the cases that these hearing

1928
01:34:46.665 --> 01:34:48.525
are down there anyways, okay.

1929
01:34:48.525 --> 01:34:52.565
They're, they're in district 12 and 13 and 14 and 15.

1930
01:34:53.185 --> 01:34:56.565
So I, I'm the one that brought this up.

1931
01:34:56.865 --> 01:34:58.125
And at this point in time,

1932
01:34:58.925 --> 01:35:00.525
I think we need to stick where we are.

1933
01:35:00.945 --> 01:35:02.245
Um, that's just my opinion.

1934
01:35:02.425 --> 01:35:07.005
And I know that our, our, our A RC representative is here,

1935
01:35:07.185 --> 01:35:08.845
and I'm sure he has a few words

1936
01:35:08.905 --> 01:35:11.165
to say if Matt could let him talk.

1937
01:35:14.915 --> 01:35:18.445
Carl Arps 93 40 Southeast, one 70th Humphreys Loop

1938
01:35:19.025 --> 01:35:20.365
and the primary, uh,

1939
01:35:20.365 --> 01:35:22.365
member representing District four on the arc.

1940
01:35:22.985 --> 01:35:25.965
Um, a couple of things. I agree with what you just said.

1941
01:35:26.035 --> 01:35:27.605
It's a $20 a month difference.

1942
01:35:28.025 --> 01:35:30.125
And that's, just, remember these are

1943
01:35:30.405 --> 01:35:32.045
estimates in both cases.

1944
01:35:32.345 --> 01:35:35.805
So it, nobody should be held to that as a budget.

1945
01:35:36.025 --> 01:35:39.005
But, um, the, uh, the one, uh, the one thing

1946
01:35:39.005 --> 01:35:41.165
that's not included, however, is the cost.

1947
01:35:41.265 --> 01:35:43.285
The district government pays for donuts.

1948
01:35:48.105 --> 01:35:49.125
And, and lately

1949
01:35:49.155 --> 01:35:52.005
because we've gone to a consent agenda, we don't even last,

1950
01:35:52.065 --> 01:35:53.485
we don't make it to a break.

1951
01:35:54.025 --> 01:35:55.845
So we haven't been getting donuts either.

1952
01:35:56.025 --> 01:35:58.445
So anyway, back to the real stuff.

1953
01:35:58.625 --> 01:36:03.285
Um, the, uh, the couple of things by having,

1954
01:36:04.275 --> 01:36:07.565
when I'm at that meeting, I represent this district.

1955
01:36:07.705 --> 01:36:10.405
Yes, I make sure I understand the

1956
01:36:10.565 --> 01:36:11.805
District four applications.

1957
01:36:12.705 --> 01:36:15.405
And I only see other district applications

1958
01:36:15.465 --> 01:36:16.925
for the first time at that meeting.

1959
01:36:17.865 --> 01:36:22.125
Um, but because I do, I see their areas

1960
01:36:22.385 --> 01:36:24.485
or whatever comes up with a different set of eyes,

1961
01:36:24.485 --> 01:36:25.685
then their representative does.

1962
01:36:26.025 --> 01:36:30.405
And we have, if we just, if we just have a full staff one,

1963
01:36:30.545 --> 01:36:33.005
one for each district, we have 11 people there.

1964
01:36:34.435 --> 01:36:36.285
Yeah. 11. And um,

1965
01:36:36.705 --> 01:36:37.925
but that's 11 people

1966
01:36:38.705 --> 01:36:41.245
who are looking at the same application in different ways.

1967
01:36:41.585 --> 01:36:44.205
And if you've ever gone through any of these applications

1968
01:36:44.205 --> 01:36:46.965
and looked at what people write, um, some

1969
01:36:46.965 --> 01:36:48.605
of them are written by the contractors

1970
01:36:48.785 --> 01:36:51.645
who have developed a methodology of saying it the way

1971
01:36:51.645 --> 01:36:52.765
that's easiest for us.

1972
01:36:53.625 --> 01:36:56.805
That's great. Um, there are some new contractors

1973
01:36:57.305 --> 01:36:58.645
who don't know how to do that.

1974
01:36:59.185 --> 01:37:02.685
And when people do their own, often they have a strange way

1975
01:37:02.685 --> 01:37:04.525
of saying things or what I think is strange.

1976
01:37:04.665 --> 01:37:06.125
And of course if we try to explain

1977
01:37:06.125 --> 01:37:07.645
to them, they think we're strange.

1978
01:37:08.465 --> 01:37:11.205
So having 11 people means we get

1979
01:37:11.435 --> 01:37:12.725
what it is they're trying to do.

1980
01:37:13.105 --> 01:37:15.765
Or we say, we don't have sufficient information,

1981
01:37:16.065 --> 01:37:17.165
we have to deny it.

1982
01:37:17.265 --> 01:37:20.285
Please come back with this information that we need.

1983
01:37:20.905 --> 01:37:25.285
Um, I'm not saying that a hearing officer wouldn't get that.

1984
01:37:26.035 --> 01:37:28.645
What I am saying is there's a risk to asking one person

1985
01:37:28.745 --> 01:37:31.245
to catch everything and to get everything right.

1986
01:37:31.835 --> 01:37:34.125
It's not as easily done as when you have a chance

1987
01:37:34.125 --> 01:37:35.205
to share the information.

1988
01:37:36.065 --> 01:37:39.085
Um, sec the third, third thing was, um,

1989
01:37:39.415 --> 01:37:41.565
there was some discussion of the hearing officer needs

1990
01:37:41.565 --> 01:37:43.405
to perhaps be a licensed engineer

1991
01:37:43.425 --> 01:37:45.285
or architect or something of that sort.

1992
01:37:45.855 --> 01:37:49.245
There is nothing that a registered architect

1993
01:37:49.305 --> 01:37:51.925
or a licensed professional engineer would need

1994
01:37:51.925 --> 01:37:53.645
to know in order to make these judgements.

1995
01:37:54.185 --> 01:37:56.485
Um, we're not looking at strength of materials

1996
01:37:56.585 --> 01:38:01.045
or, uh, strength of, uh, of design of the structure and the,

1997
01:38:01.105 --> 01:38:03.085
and building safety and those kinds of things.

1998
01:38:03.135 --> 01:38:05.645
We're looking at does the

1999
01:38:06.285 --> 01:38:10.205
proposed improvement meet the rules as adopted

2000
01:38:10.265 --> 01:38:12.965
by each district and the deed restrictions

2001
01:38:12.965 --> 01:38:15.005
that those people were given at the time

2002
01:38:15.005 --> 01:38:16.205
they purchased the property.

2003
01:38:17.065 --> 01:38:20.365
And if not, then we have to ask them to make a modification.

2004
01:38:21.025 --> 01:38:22.805
Or if they do, we can approve it.

2005
01:38:23.465 --> 01:38:24.765
So, um, that, what

2006
01:38:24.765 --> 01:38:27.045
that does take is a reasonable group of people.

2007
01:38:27.585 --> 01:38:29.645
And I, my experience, I've only been on it a year,

2008
01:38:29.645 --> 01:38:32.165
but my experience is we have a very reasonable group

2009
01:38:32.165 --> 01:38:34.485
of people who are willing to look at things that way.

2010
01:38:35.745 --> 01:38:38.805
And, um, finally we offer one additional thing in

2011
01:38:38.805 --> 01:38:41.445
that we keep on seeing in spite of the fact that some

2012
01:38:41.445 --> 01:38:42.525
of these people have been here for years.

2013
01:38:42.575 --> 01:38:44.405
Every once in a while we get an application

2014
01:38:44.405 --> 01:38:46.165
that nobody's ever seen anything like that before.

2015
01:38:47.305 --> 01:38:49.765
Uh, so we learn something and then a decision is made

2016
01:38:49.785 --> 01:38:52.325
and now we know more than we did the previous time.

2017
01:38:52.825 --> 01:38:55.445
And resident communication becomes another item.

2018
01:38:56.185 --> 01:38:58.165
We do not go out in the field

2019
01:38:58.225 --> 01:39:00.605
and advise people what they should or shouldn't do.

2020
01:39:01.025 --> 01:39:03.445
But when people come to us with a question, we can turn it

2021
01:39:03.445 --> 01:39:05.525
around into helping them understand

2022
01:39:05.525 --> 01:39:06.925
what the deed restrictions say.

2023
01:39:06.955 --> 01:39:10.005
Helping them understand where to look for the, uh,

2024
01:39:10.305 --> 01:39:12.005
for the architectural review rules.

2025
01:39:12.865 --> 01:39:16.205
So I think that there's a definite benefit

2026
01:39:16.465 --> 01:39:19.365
of having resident involvement, um,

2027
01:39:19.945 --> 01:39:21.565
and residents representing.

2028
01:39:21.865 --> 01:39:23.085
That's my opinion. Thank you.

2029
01:39:24.945 --> 01:39:28.285
Let me, let me say this. I, and Carl knows this

2030
01:39:28.525 --> 01:39:30.005
'cause he's usually there when I'm there,

2031
01:39:30.005 --> 01:39:31.045
sometimes he's not.

2032
01:39:31.805 --> 01:39:35.645
I go to quite a few of those meetings

2033
01:39:37.035 --> 01:39:40.005
when we have a representative there, especially Carl.

2034
01:39:40.725 --> 01:39:43.565
'cause our alternate has only been a one meeting

2035
01:39:43.565 --> 01:39:44.605
that I've been to.

2036
01:39:45.055 --> 01:39:47.085
Carol makes most of the meetings

2037
01:39:48.865 --> 01:39:52.805
he does when there's a District four issue, take real

2038
01:39:53.795 --> 01:39:56.485
concern to make sure that everything is okay.

2039
01:39:57.145 --> 01:39:59.325
Uh, I, I appreciate that.

2040
01:39:59.725 --> 01:40:02.485
I, I've been to lots of these meetings over the last

2041
01:40:03.645 --> 01:40:06.645
14 years since that board, that committee was formed.

2042
01:40:07.905 --> 01:40:10.685
The issue I have is when he's not there

2043
01:40:10.865 --> 01:40:12.365
and the alternate's not there

2044
01:40:12.465 --> 01:40:16.245
and we have nobody looking out for District Force interest,

2045
01:40:17.535 --> 01:40:19.685
there are a couple of issues that have occurred

2046
01:40:19.715 --> 01:40:20.925
that things got approved.

2047
01:40:21.465 --> 01:40:23.605
And if both of them, he wasn't there,

2048
01:40:23.705 --> 01:40:25.365
and I'm not sure they would've got approved

2049
01:40:25.425 --> 01:40:27.685
or he wouldn't have brought up the questions that needed

2050
01:40:27.685 --> 01:40:30.085
to be brought up if he was there.

2051
01:40:31.125 --> 01:40:33.325
I, as I said, I go to a lot of these meetings,

2052
01:40:33.325 --> 01:40:36.845
he does a great job and he really is concerned when it's a

2053
01:40:37.045 --> 01:40:38.165
District four issue.

2054
01:40:38.505 --> 01:40:40.325
That's important. Okay.

2055
01:40:40.345 --> 01:40:44.405
To me, um, I, I've been all

2056
01:40:44.425 --> 01:40:46.925
for the special hearing master from day one.

2057
01:40:47.345 --> 01:40:49.205
And the more this proceeds

2058
01:40:49.205 --> 01:40:51.645
and the more I see, I'm changing my opinion.

2059
01:40:52.425 --> 01:40:54.765
Um, and I guess I'm allowed to do that.

2060
01:40:55.065 --> 01:40:59.285
Uh, because my main concern out of all

2061
01:40:59.285 --> 01:41:02.085
of those applications that are read are only the ones

2062
01:41:02.085 --> 01:41:04.605
that are approved at Concern District four.

2063
01:41:05.345 --> 01:41:07.245
We have nothing to do with the rest of them.

2064
01:41:07.425 --> 01:41:09.765
So if, if that's what it takes.

2065
01:41:10.785 --> 01:41:12.325
And, and my other concern is

2066
01:41:12.325 --> 01:41:14.685
how big the special master is getting,

2067
01:41:15.865 --> 01:41:17.605
if he's meeting three hours now,

2068
01:41:17.625 --> 01:41:19.045
pretty soon it's gonna be four.

2069
01:41:19.245 --> 01:41:21.685
I I mean it's growing by leaps and bounds.

2070
01:41:22.305 --> 01:41:24.965
The, the, the amount of applications that are coming in

2071
01:41:24.965 --> 01:41:27.365
for Mult Creek and Shady Brook, which are brand new

2072
01:41:27.365 --> 01:41:28.485
or astronomical.

2073
01:41:28.725 --> 01:41:30.845
'cause they don't have that many people living there yet.

2074
01:41:31.425 --> 01:41:36.275
So they're gonna end up with two hearing masters or,

2075
01:41:36.455 --> 01:41:38.395
or, or who, who knows what.

2076
01:41:38.975 --> 01:41:41.075
So I'm just throwing this out.

2077
01:41:41.275 --> 01:41:42.635
I asked for this presentation

2078
01:41:42.695 --> 01:41:46.235
and now I'm, I'm saying, I think for now we need to stay.

2079
01:41:46.455 --> 01:41:49.875
As long as Carl is our representative,

2080
01:41:50.635 --> 01:41:52.155
I don't wanna revisit this.

2081
01:41:52.215 --> 01:41:53.915
And I think we need to stay where we are.

2082
01:41:53.935 --> 01:41:55.435
That's just my opinion, guys.

2083
01:41:55.865 --> 01:41:58.555
Well, you know, it, it doesn't surprise me that that's

2084
01:41:59.095 --> 01:42:01.515
the kind of representation that Carl's given us

2085
01:42:01.515 --> 01:42:03.835
because that's the kind of gentleman he is.

2086
01:42:04.535 --> 01:42:09.275
Um, is, is there, does it make any sense

2087
01:42:09.825 --> 01:42:13.955
from a time standpoint that if, uh, neither one

2088
01:42:13.955 --> 01:42:15.435
of our representatives are there,

2089
01:42:16.465 --> 01:42:18.795
that we just pull those items

2090
01:42:19.015 --> 01:42:21.035
and tell the people that to come next board meeting?

2091
01:42:21.395 --> 01:42:26.035
I don't think we can do that. You can't. Why not?

2092
01:42:27.135 --> 01:42:29.115
The declarations require that, um,

2093
01:42:29.175 --> 01:42:31.475
an item be approved within a certain amount of time.

2094
01:42:31.495 --> 01:42:32.995
And if you don't do that, then it's,

2095
01:42:32.995 --> 01:42:34.275
um, considered as being approved.

2096
01:42:34.535 --> 01:42:38.875
Yep. So, okay. So if we set that timetable,

2097
01:42:39.385 --> 01:42:42.475
Then the declaration set that timetable, uh, I would have

2098
01:42:42.475 --> 01:42:45.235
to look at the declarations to see exactly how long that is.

2099
01:42:46.095 --> 01:42:47.435
Um, but in addition to that,

2100
01:42:47.505 --> 01:42:50.115
it's essentially holding up a property from an improvement

2101
01:42:50.115 --> 01:42:51.755
they may want to, uh, move forward. So

2102
01:42:51.755 --> 01:42:54.395
How, how often, how often is the committee meeting?

2103
01:42:54.885 --> 01:42:56.555
Every week. Every week. Every week.

2104
01:42:56.655 --> 01:42:58.875
So while we're talking to week potentially,

2105
01:42:59.025 --> 01:43:00.635
Well, potentially, unless there's an issue with

2106
01:43:00.635 --> 01:43:02.555
that application and they have to withdraw it

2107
01:43:02.855 --> 01:43:05.075
or, um, it's a denial, then they have

2108
01:43:05.075 --> 01:43:06.355
to bring it forward again.

2109
01:43:06.415 --> 01:43:08.115
So there are other issues as well. But

2110
01:43:09.635 --> 01:43:12.355
I I, I don't think that that would, that's not the answer.

2111
01:43:12.425 --> 01:43:13.595
That wouldn't work. We could

2112
01:43:13.595 --> 01:43:17.355
because well, if it incomplete, it's incomplete.

2113
01:43:17.355 --> 01:43:18.955
They gotta come back next week anyhow.

2114
01:43:19.675 --> 01:43:20.995
I mean, you know, it's not like

2115
01:43:21.745 --> 01:43:23.195
they come back the week after that.

2116
01:43:23.695 --> 01:43:25.955
Um, so it, you know, you

2117
01:43:25.975 --> 01:43:28.595
and you don't never know how many applications you're gonna

2118
01:43:28.835 --> 01:43:30.195
actually have until they post them.

2119
01:43:30.225 --> 01:43:32.955
Sometimes we have three, sometimes we've had one,

2120
01:43:33.025 --> 01:43:34.995
sometimes we've had 10. So,

2121
01:43:35.015 --> 01:43:36.395
And then there's also the, the,

2122
01:43:36.415 --> 01:43:38.595
the additional time required for re noticing

2123
01:43:38.655 --> 01:43:39.915
and advertising week. Correct.

2124
01:43:40.215 --> 01:43:41.835
So, you know, application, there's a lot of work

2125
01:43:41.835 --> 01:43:44.355
that goes into it that staff has to do to get all of

2126
01:43:44.355 --> 01:43:45.995
that prepared on top of everything.

2127
01:43:46.635 --> 01:43:50.955
I, I was looking at this from, from one viewpoint

2128
01:43:51.345 --> 01:43:55.805
and over the last month or two, I, I'm changing my opinion

2129
01:43:55.905 --> 01:43:57.245
and I gave you guys my opinion.

2130
01:43:57.345 --> 01:43:59.485
So I just think we could talk about this forever,

2131
01:43:59.665 --> 01:44:02.445
but I think we just need to decide if we want to stay with

2132
01:44:02.445 --> 01:44:04.845
what we got or we're interested in proceeding.

2133
01:44:04.845 --> 01:44:06.245
Because if you do, you have

2134
01:44:06.245 --> 01:44:08.245
to change the interlocal agreement.

2135
01:44:08.985 --> 01:44:13.605
And, uh, we just approved our a RC representative

2136
01:44:13.745 --> 01:44:16.365
for another four years, our primary, so

2137
01:44:17.025 --> 01:44:18.445
I'm gonna hold them to four years.

2138
01:44:18.545 --> 01:44:21.165
So I think we should be good for the next four years.

2139
01:44:23.195 --> 01:44:24.605
Well, we all have that issue, buddy.

2140
01:44:24.875 --> 01:44:27.645
Well, you know, you and Carrie both give us a lot of, uh,

2141
01:44:27.955 --> 01:44:31.565
insight, uh, on what goes on, what went on,

2142
01:44:32.505 --> 01:44:35.565
and then, you know, as one board member, you know, I looked,

2143
01:44:35.805 --> 01:44:39.085
I looked to you two to really be the ones that

2144
01:44:39.915 --> 01:44:41.325
give us the advice we need.

2145
01:44:42.705 --> 01:44:47.605
Carrie, Uh, I, from from

2146
01:44:48.305 --> 01:44:52.285
the beginning, I have been in favor of keeping,

2147
01:44:53.145 --> 01:44:56.245
um, the, the volunteer, the shooting, uh,

2148
01:44:56.605 --> 01:44:58.205
a RC on there.

2149
01:44:59.185 --> 01:45:03.525
Uh, the, the thing that I was excited about

2150
01:45:03.555 --> 01:45:08.525
with the special master is when there is an appeal

2151
01:45:09.745 --> 01:45:12.085
and that takes it away from us.

2152
01:45:13.145 --> 01:45:17.365
That's what I'm, you know, I, I like, um,

2153
01:45:17.705 --> 01:45:20.685
the reason I'm, one of the reasons that, um,

2154
01:45:21.075 --> 01:45:25.245
that I'm in favor is I, I take a little bit broader scope.

2155
01:45:26.165 --> 01:45:31.125
I think that there is a responsibility for the a RC rep, um,

2156
01:45:31.505 --> 01:45:36.045
to look at each application, uh, that comes in

2157
01:45:36.065 --> 01:45:37.405
for all of the districts

2158
01:45:37.675 --> 01:45:41.765
because again,

2159
01:45:43.545 --> 01:45:46.045
it, it affects us, our district.

2160
01:45:46.145 --> 01:45:49.965
Yes. You know, obviously that's our primary concern,

2161
01:45:50.585 --> 01:45:51.965
but as we get farther

2162
01:45:52.145 --> 01:45:55.805
and farther away, you know, do we want to see

2163
01:45:57.175 --> 01:46:02.005
these broad changes to what we first signed up for?

2164
01:46:03.305 --> 01:46:04.685
Uh, and so

2165
01:46:07.805 --> 01:46:09.965
I am in favor of keeping it the way it is about

2166
01:46:10.285 --> 01:46:11.325
Val coming off the panel.

2167
01:46:12.315 --> 01:46:13.525
Okay. Don?

2168
01:46:15.625 --> 01:46:18.645
Yes, I, I would agree with what Carrie said.

2169
01:46:18.645 --> 01:46:20.165
Again, uh, having

2170
01:46:20.875 --> 01:46:25.325
eyes on all the apps from the other districts does help keep

2171
01:46:25.345 --> 01:46:28.845
us up to date and we get to see what's going on.

2172
01:46:29.385 --> 01:46:33.445
And eventually some of those things, uh, do cause us

2173
01:46:33.445 --> 01:46:37.685
to change what we will accept, um, within our own district.

2174
01:46:38.625 --> 01:46:43.125
Uh, and I also strongly agree that appeals

2175
01:46:43.735 --> 01:46:47.805
would be the time to use a hearing master so

2176
01:46:47.805 --> 01:46:49.405
that it's not coming to this board.

2177
01:46:49.945 --> 01:46:51.885
We are using the hearing ma special

2178
01:46:51.885 --> 01:46:53.245
hearing master right now.

2179
01:46:53.795 --> 01:46:55.125
Okay. Right. I agree.

2180
01:46:55.325 --> 01:46:56.845
I go to every one of I agree with that. Right.

2181
01:46:57.045 --> 01:46:58.165
I go to every one of those

2182
01:46:58.195 --> 01:47:00.765
that District four has a case on. Yes.

2183
01:47:00.865 --> 01:47:02.765
And that, and that's public hearing. Correct.

2184
01:47:03.105 --> 01:47:07.885
Now, after we finish deciding on this,

2185
01:47:08.765 --> 01:47:10.725
I have another issue related to this,

2186
01:47:11.785 --> 01:47:13.565
but it's a separate issue.

2187
01:47:13.915 --> 01:47:16.805
Okay. I just, And by the way,

2188
01:47:16.845 --> 01:47:17.805
I just discovered my

2189
01:47:17.805 --> 01:47:19.405
microphone's been off for the whole meeting.

2190
01:47:19.665 --> 01:47:21.965
Oh, I used, I knew

2191
01:47:22.145 --> 01:47:23.005
I'm used to someone Coming

2192
01:47:23.005 --> 01:47:24.085
around and pushing the button.

2193
01:47:24.185 --> 01:47:25.185
You know,

2194
01:47:26.385 --> 01:47:29.405
We lost one of our Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

2195
01:47:30.385 --> 01:47:35.005
Go ahead, Jim. Um, I'm comfortable

2196
01:47:35.005 --> 01:47:37.765
with whatever the direction is from the board, mark.

2197
01:47:38.185 --> 01:47:41.645
Um, I'm comfortable with the proviso only that if at some

2198
01:47:41.645 --> 01:47:43.605
Point We cannot find

2199
01:47:43.885 --> 01:47:44.965
Somebody to fill that Position,

2200
01:47:44.965 --> 01:47:46.165
then we have to look at something

2201
01:47:46.165 --> 01:47:47.165
Else. Well at that.

2202
01:47:47.165 --> 01:47:48.045
Exactly. Yeah.

2203
01:47:48.045 --> 01:47:51.005
That's why I said we just approved four more years and,

2204
01:47:51.385 --> 01:47:54.045
and when I said he looks at District four,

2205
01:47:54.265 --> 01:47:55.405
he looks at all of them.

2206
01:47:55.865 --> 01:47:57.285
But we, our representative

2207
01:47:57.425 --> 01:47:58.885
and Carrie did the same thing,

2208
01:47:58.985 --> 01:48:00.365
I'm sure when he was on the board.

2209
01:48:00.365 --> 01:48:02.405
And I did the same thing when I was on the board

2210
01:48:02.405 --> 01:48:03.805
when it was at District four.

2211
01:48:05.065 --> 01:48:08.205
It was even more important to me because it's my district.

2212
01:48:08.395 --> 01:48:11.645
Okay. And I wanted to make sure that nothing was missed.

2213
01:48:12.145 --> 01:48:16.325
And he asked questions that sometimes the other members of

2214
01:48:16.325 --> 01:48:17.325
that committee don't ask.

2215
01:48:17.425 --> 01:48:20.605
And I've seen him change their opinion on something.

2216
01:48:21.145 --> 01:48:25.405
So those are the important kind things that I think go

2217
01:48:25.425 --> 01:48:28.365
to help District four stay the way district four is.

2218
01:48:28.385 --> 01:48:32.405
So I'm in favor of disregarding this so we can take this off

2219
01:48:32.405 --> 01:48:33.805
and move on to something else.

2220
01:48:34.065 --> 01:48:37.125
Is that okay? Yep. Yep. Okay. Understood. Thank you Carl.

2221
01:48:38.035 --> 01:48:41.365
Okay. Don't go away. Okay. Go ahead. Suggestion.

2222
01:48:41.985 --> 01:48:46.725
One of the things that I'm starting to hear about is

2223
01:48:46.755 --> 01:48:49.565
that these things come

2224
01:48:49.565 --> 01:48:52.685
and submits an application for whatever it is,

2225
01:48:54.345 --> 01:48:57.925
but then there's no follow up afterwards.

2226
01:48:57.925 --> 01:49:01.725
There's always a follow up when someone, uh,

2227
01:49:01.815 --> 01:49:06.085
turns in a potential violation because you have to go out

2228
01:49:06.425 --> 01:49:09.765
and see, uh, whether, whether it really is a violation,

2229
01:49:09.765 --> 01:49:11.685
then you have to go back and make sure

2230
01:49:11.685 --> 01:49:13.605
that they have corrected that violation.

2231
01:49:14.545 --> 01:49:19.485
But there's not a follow up for permission

2232
01:49:19.505 --> 01:49:23.325
to do something that adds to your property.

2233
01:49:24.345 --> 01:49:27.205
And so we don't know if they expanded something

2234
01:49:27.205 --> 01:49:28.565
that they got approval to do

2235
01:49:28.985 --> 01:49:31.485
or if they made significant changes

2236
01:49:32.085 --> 01:49:33.205
structurally or any other way.

2237
01:49:34.315 --> 01:49:38.015
And so maybe we need to look at

2238
01:49:39.205 --> 01:49:43.825
and consider, do we want to have a follow up

2239
01:49:43.845 --> 01:49:48.565
to verify that they have done built it

2240
01:49:48.825 --> 01:49:52.645
as approved or uh, made the change as approved.

2241
01:49:54.145 --> 01:49:56.085
And I don't know what that would cost.

2242
01:49:56.245 --> 01:49:58.885
I don't know what that would involve as far as staff goes,

2243
01:49:59.545 --> 01:50:00.965
but I think we should discuss it.

2244
01:50:02.155 --> 01:50:04.165
Well that's a big discussion

2245
01:50:04.505 --> 01:50:07.165
and I think it's something that if you wanna discuss it,

2246
01:50:07.165 --> 01:50:11.445
we should put it on the agenda for next month or sometime

2247
01:50:11.555 --> 01:50:13.645
because I have, I have lots

2248
01:50:13.645 --> 01:50:14.965
of things I could say about that.

2249
01:50:15.195 --> 01:50:17.165
Yeah. Um, and I'm sure Carrie does so

2250
01:50:17.545 --> 01:50:19.245
and I'm sure Carol does.

2251
01:50:19.265 --> 01:50:22.605
So maybe we could add that on the agenda for next month.

2252
01:50:22.835 --> 01:50:25.725
Sure. Okay. Okay.

2253
01:50:25.875 --> 01:50:30.845
Next, um, is the, uh, informational items, if

2254
01:50:31.355 --> 01:50:34.845
anybody needs anything staff's here to answer any questions.

2255
01:50:34.865 --> 01:50:37.965
Oh, we got Brandy in the back. She wasn't here this morning.

2256
01:50:38.015 --> 01:50:39.405
She's here now. Okay.

2257
01:50:39.705 --> 01:50:43.005
So if you have anything other than that, we'll go

2258
01:50:43.005 --> 01:50:44.325
to district manager report.

2259
01:50:45.065 --> 01:50:48.405
Yes sir. The first item I have on district manager report

2260
01:50:48.425 --> 01:50:49.565
is post storm review.

2261
01:50:50.005 --> 01:50:51.565
I had initially planned on going

2262
01:50:51.565 --> 01:50:54.285
through our post storm on Hurricane Helene,

2263
01:50:54.385 --> 01:50:55.765
but we will just jump forward

2264
01:50:55.865 --> 01:50:57.085
and talk about Hurricane Milton.

2265
01:50:57.085 --> 01:51:01.765
Please do. Um, I know you were probably inundated with all

2266
01:51:01.765 --> 01:51:03.085
of your um, emails.

2267
01:51:03.255 --> 01:51:05.565
Thank you again for the recognition of staff.

2268
01:51:05.745 --> 01:51:08.045
Um, they really did do a good job at making sure

2269
01:51:08.045 --> 01:51:10.045
that everybody stayed updated on those.

2270
01:51:10.625 --> 01:51:12.805
Uh, you will still continue to get updates,

2271
01:51:13.085 --> 01:51:14.605
although they won't be quite as frequently.

2272
01:51:15.345 --> 01:51:18.405
One of the things that we are really focusing now though,

2273
01:51:18.585 --> 01:51:20.085
is debris pickup.

2274
01:51:20.465 --> 01:51:23.205
Um, I think all of you are here for Hurricane Irma

2275
01:51:23.585 --> 01:51:25.005
and you realize, um,

2276
01:51:25.105 --> 01:51:27.965
and remember what a challenge it was

2277
01:51:28.105 --> 01:51:29.805
to collect all the debris with Irma.

2278
01:51:30.275 --> 01:51:32.845
Well, we are certainly starting off on a better

2279
01:51:32.845 --> 01:51:34.125
foot than we did with Irma.

2280
01:51:34.555 --> 01:51:37.365
However, we are trying very hard

2281
01:51:37.425 --> 01:51:42.045
to set realistic expectations for not just the board members

2282
01:51:42.385 --> 01:51:45.285
but our residents on what to expect when it comes

2283
01:51:45.345 --> 01:51:48.805
to debris pickup based on the amount of debris

2284
01:51:48.995 --> 01:51:50.205
with Hurricane Milton.

2285
01:51:50.825 --> 01:51:54.725
We do, um, estimate that you will be, um, eligible

2286
01:51:54.785 --> 01:51:58.685
for FEMA reimbursement for the debris collection.

2287
01:51:59.555 --> 01:52:02.485
What that means is that Jacobs cannot go around

2288
01:52:02.485 --> 01:52:03.805
and pick up all the storm debris.

2289
01:52:04.725 --> 01:52:05.885
Landscapers cannot go around

2290
01:52:05.885 --> 01:52:07.165
and pick up all the storm debris.

2291
01:52:07.675 --> 01:52:11.445
What they do is called first push in which they cut all the

2292
01:52:11.445 --> 01:52:14.485
storm debris and they pile it up in the road right of way.

2293
01:52:15.105 --> 01:52:17.045
So that is what is happening right now.

2294
01:52:17.145 --> 01:52:21.005
You'll see landscapers all over the villages cutting up the

2295
01:52:21.065 --> 01:52:25.045
fallen trees, setting 'em up if they can, um, cutting up all

2296
01:52:25.045 --> 01:52:27.845
of the debris and placing them in piles along the road,

2297
01:52:27.845 --> 01:52:29.405
right of road right of way.

2298
01:52:29.715 --> 01:52:32.085
Then of course they're trying to go back afterwards

2299
01:52:32.105 --> 01:52:34.565
and blow off all of the leaves of the small debris.

2300
01:52:35.265 --> 01:52:37.965
And that is what we are also asking residents to do,

2301
01:52:38.305 --> 01:52:40.285
to pick up all of the storm debris

2302
01:52:40.345 --> 01:52:42.325
and pile it in the road right of way,

2303
01:52:42.695 --> 01:52:46.525
which is typically from the road about six to nine feet in.

2304
01:52:46.665 --> 01:52:49.605
So anywhere from the curb into their yard,

2305
01:52:49.615 --> 01:52:50.925
about six to nine feet.

2306
01:52:50.945 --> 01:52:52.685
That's considered the road right of way.

2307
01:52:52.785 --> 01:52:55.685
And that's where they should be stacking their storm debris.

2308
01:52:56.985 --> 01:52:59.965
Jacobs, your normal provider will pick up normal yard

2309
01:53:00.475 --> 01:53:02.445
clippings, but they are not going

2310
01:53:02.445 --> 01:53:04.045
to collect the storm debris.

2311
01:53:05.075 --> 01:53:08.165
What the debris hollered that we were already in contract

2312
01:53:08.165 --> 01:53:11.565
with per FEMA requirements has asked us

2313
01:53:11.585 --> 01:53:16.205
to do based on the wide area of storm, um,

2314
01:53:17.185 --> 01:53:18.725
damage throughout the state of Florida.

2315
01:53:19.105 --> 01:53:23.005
And then from Helene all the way up to the Carolinas is all

2316
01:53:23.005 --> 01:53:24.765
of that has to be in place

2317
01:53:25.345 --> 01:53:28.165
before the debris hauler will come into the villages

2318
01:53:28.185 --> 01:53:29.285
and start picking it up.

2319
01:53:29.705 --> 01:53:32.565
And as you recall, it has to be certified

2320
01:53:33.175 --> 01:53:34.845
collectors that pick it up.

2321
01:53:34.845 --> 01:53:36.485
It has to be picked up a certain way.

2322
01:53:37.025 --> 01:53:39.485
Um, it cannot just be people coming

2323
01:53:39.545 --> 01:53:41.045
and throwing it in the back of the truck.

2324
01:53:41.185 --> 01:53:43.405
It then has to go to a monitoring site.

2325
01:53:43.785 --> 01:53:45.645
All of this has to take place in order for you

2326
01:53:45.645 --> 01:53:46.845
to get FEMA reimbursement.

2327
01:53:47.585 --> 01:53:51.285
We estimate that that will take place starting October 20th.

2328
01:53:51.985 --> 01:53:53.885
So residents need to have all

2329
01:53:53.885 --> 01:53:56.885
of their debris in the road right of way by October 20th.

2330
01:53:56.945 --> 01:53:59.605
If they have down trees, huge branches,

2331
01:54:00.105 --> 01:54:02.445
if they can have their landscaper cut it up

2332
01:54:02.445 --> 01:54:04.165
and just put it in the road right of way,

2333
01:54:04.705 --> 01:54:08.525
it will then be collected as part of the debris hauler.

2334
01:54:08.935 --> 01:54:13.885
After October 20th, if you recall from Hurricane Irma,

2335
01:54:13.885 --> 01:54:16.285
we put out maps and we pretty much showed you

2336
01:54:16.335 --> 01:54:19.045
where in the villages they were going piece by piece.

2337
01:54:19.465 --> 01:54:21.485
We do plan on doing all of that now,

2338
01:54:21.985 --> 01:54:24.845
but just like with Irma where you have some contractors,

2339
01:54:25.065 --> 01:54:26.405
if you're not ready and prepared,

2340
01:54:26.435 --> 01:54:27.965
they will go on to the next place.

2341
01:54:28.385 --> 01:54:29.885
And that's what we don't want to happen.

2342
01:54:30.035 --> 01:54:31.525
That happened with us with Irma.

2343
01:54:31.945 --> 01:54:35.325
So we are trying to get everything exactly how it should be.

2344
01:54:35.385 --> 01:54:37.165
So when they come in October 20th,

2345
01:54:37.395 --> 01:54:39.885
they'll pick up everything in their suite

2346
01:54:39.885 --> 01:54:40.925
throughout the villages.

2347
01:54:41.225 --> 01:54:42.925
And again, they're only going to do it once.

2348
01:54:43.425 --> 01:54:44.525
So if a homeowner calls

2349
01:54:44.525 --> 01:54:46.685
and says, I'm sorry my landscaper couldn't get here

2350
01:54:46.685 --> 01:54:50.085
and now I want you to come back, they will not do it again.

2351
01:54:50.105 --> 01:54:52.765
It has to be very structured in how this takes place.

2352
01:54:53.665 --> 01:54:57.285
So we are trying to get the word out as much as possible

2353
01:54:57.715 --> 01:55:01.165
that the debris should be placed in those road right of ways

2354
01:55:01.905 --> 01:55:03.485
and manage expectations.

2355
01:55:03.555 --> 01:55:06.805
Because here in the villages we're used to a storm coming

2356
01:55:07.665 --> 01:55:09.165
and everything being picked up that afternoon.

2357
01:55:09.535 --> 01:55:11.205
We're used to a bad storm coming

2358
01:55:11.385 --> 01:55:12.965
and everything being picked up in two days.

2359
01:55:13.675 --> 01:55:16.405
This is not going to be that this is due

2360
01:55:16.405 --> 01:55:18.925
to the destruction throughout the entire state of Florida

2361
01:55:19.025 --> 01:55:20.245
and into the Carolinas.

2362
01:55:20.625 --> 01:55:23.525
It is going to take weeks for us to get all

2363
01:55:23.525 --> 01:55:25.645
of this debris cleaned up, not days.

2364
01:55:26.425 --> 01:55:28.845
Um, again, our hope is FEMA so

2365
01:55:28.845 --> 01:55:31.725
that it will not be any expenses to this board.

2366
01:55:31.805 --> 01:55:33.365
Hopefully we will get the reimbursement.

2367
01:55:33.435 --> 01:55:34.725
Hopefully it won't take four

2368
01:55:34.725 --> 01:55:36.485
and a half years for the reimbursement.

2369
01:55:37.025 --> 01:55:40.485
Um, but we have already been in, uh, we have daily calls

2370
01:55:40.515 --> 01:55:43.045
with our FEMA consultant that helps walk us through that.

2371
01:55:43.615 --> 01:55:45.645
We've already had, um, phone calls

2372
01:55:45.675 --> 01:55:47.245
with the debris hauler, the monitor.

2373
01:55:47.585 --> 01:55:49.605
So we are moving forward in that direction.

2374
01:55:50.105 --> 01:55:53.725
We are just really asking for patients from the residents

2375
01:55:54.065 --> 01:55:57.245
and your help in helping us get that information out so

2376
01:55:57.245 --> 01:55:58.965
that they are not wondering why

2377
01:55:59.725 --> 01:56:01.965
tomorrow everything isn't picked up.

2378
01:56:02.915 --> 01:56:04.925
Hopefully you can get something in the paper,

2379
01:56:05.255 --> 01:56:07.245
which is probably gonna be the best way to do it.

2380
01:56:07.585 --> 01:56:08.685
Yes, sir. We signed To,

2381
01:56:08.685 --> 01:56:10.805
and I, I don't, I don't need, did you mention four

2382
01:56:10.805 --> 01:56:12.085
and a half years to collect,

2383
01:56:12.665 --> 01:56:14.085
but over the last 20 years,

2384
01:56:14.705 --> 01:56:17.365
the recovery has been about 10% of what we asked for.

2385
01:56:17.545 --> 01:56:19.205
So this board

2386
01:56:19.205 --> 01:56:22.885
and other boards are going to incur 90%

2387
01:56:23.735 --> 01:56:26.645
based on history of whatever it costs.

2388
01:56:26.905 --> 01:56:29.845
So, you know, we're gonna get a hit. Yes.

2389
01:56:30.345 --> 01:56:34.405
I'm not gonna hold plus

2390
01:56:36.745 --> 01:56:41.285
30, but, but we have some issues. Okay.

2391
01:56:41.845 --> 01:56:43.005
I don't think your mic is on.

2392
01:56:47.755 --> 01:56:49.405
Okay. I, I have some issues.

2393
01:56:49.825 --> 01:56:54.265
Number one, people are putting

2394
01:56:54.555 --> 01:56:58.525
their fallen yard debris

2395
01:56:59.825 --> 01:57:02.485
in the golf cart path on Belmead in Piedmont.

2396
01:57:03.785 --> 01:57:08.525
Um, It's been blinking,

2397
01:57:08.545 --> 01:57:11.205
so they're putting in the street somehow.

2398
01:57:11.345 --> 01:57:13.445
We gotta get them to not do that

2399
01:57:13.445 --> 01:57:16.645
because what we're gonna have is people driving in golf

2400
01:57:16.695 --> 01:57:19.325
carts pulling out to get away from and to hit by a car.

2401
01:57:19.375 --> 01:57:24.005
We're gonna, we're gonna end up with major issues here.

2402
01:57:24.525 --> 01:57:28.285
I i, there's a cul-de-sac in Piedmont that has

2403
01:57:30.145 --> 01:57:33.085
on around the cul-de-sac, probably 30 bags

2404
01:57:33.305 --> 01:57:36.125
and piles of debris.

2405
01:57:37.025 --> 01:57:38.805
People have cleaned up their yard

2406
01:57:38.825 --> 01:57:40.325
and put it in the wrong place.

2407
01:57:40.585 --> 01:57:44.765
And I am not sure that those are going to even get picked up

2408
01:57:45.145 --> 01:57:47.885
by our disaster people when they come.

2409
01:57:48.465 --> 01:57:52.885
But I know medicine, you put something in the, in the paper,

2410
01:57:53.025 --> 01:57:55.765
we, I know you're gonna try to get the daily sun.

2411
01:57:56.355 --> 01:57:59.405
I'll have, I'll have some things put on Facebook

2412
01:57:59.465 --> 01:58:01.085
and send out the email blast,

2413
01:58:01.505 --> 01:58:04.685
but we need, we also need staff

2414
01:58:04.745 --> 01:58:06.445
to put something in the bulletin boards.

2415
01:58:06.445 --> 01:58:08.165
Not that it might do a lot of good, but it's,

2416
01:58:08.225 --> 01:58:09.605
and it's gotta be specific.

2417
01:58:10.375 --> 01:58:14.285
There is stuff laying all over right now that if,

2418
01:58:14.385 --> 01:58:17.485
if our disaster people came around, they wouldn't take it

2419
01:58:17.485 --> 01:58:21.355
and this stuff would still be there November 20th,

2420
01:58:22.375 --> 01:58:23.595
we need to do something.

2421
01:58:24.055 --> 01:58:25.195
And I don't have an answer.

2422
01:58:25.355 --> 01:58:27.355
I wish I did, but people jumped out

2423
01:58:27.575 --> 01:58:29.715
and cleaned up their, their debris.

2424
01:58:30.345 --> 01:58:32.395
Unfortunately, they put it in the wrong place.

2425
01:58:32.895 --> 01:58:35.675
Um, there are spots that you can't even get by.

2426
01:58:35.905 --> 01:58:37.915
There's a tree branch that's probably

2427
01:58:39.105 --> 01:58:42.205
30 foot long blocking half of Bartram loop

2428
01:58:42.715 --> 01:58:44.525
because they put it in the street.

2429
01:58:45.985 --> 01:58:49.045
And I'm not even sure a fire truck can get by it

2430
01:58:49.045 --> 01:58:51.045
to tell you the creek, but I'm going on someone's lawn.

2431
01:58:52.145 --> 01:58:56.325
Is there any way that staff can,

2432
01:58:56.755 --> 01:58:59.645
when community watch drives around or something

2433
01:58:59.665 --> 01:59:03.005
and sees these things knock on somebody's door so

2434
01:59:03.005 --> 01:59:06.925
that we don't, I I just see a major disaster coming here

2435
01:59:06.925 --> 01:59:09.605
that's really kind of scary that I didn't notice until,

2436
01:59:09.925 --> 01:59:11.925
'cause I stayed home for two days, like they said

2437
01:59:11.925 --> 01:59:14.085
and didn't go out to let everybody do what they,

2438
01:59:14.395 --> 01:59:17.725
today's my first day on the street, I'm shocked at

2439
01:59:17.725 --> 01:59:19.205
what I saw, to tell you the truth.

2440
01:59:19.625 --> 01:59:21.685
So excuse me. Yes, we will.

2441
01:59:21.865 --> 01:59:24.285
Um, it will be in the postal stations either today

2442
01:59:24.285 --> 01:59:27.085
or Monday, um, that has already been scheduled.

2443
01:59:28.225 --> 01:59:29.965
If you see something like that

2444
01:59:30.015 --> 01:59:32.845
where debris is in the road, if you'll let us know.

2445
01:59:33.025 --> 01:59:36.045
Yes. Community watch has also been directed to report that

2446
01:59:36.475 --> 01:59:40.245
because we did initial debris assessment, um,

2447
01:59:40.465 --> 01:59:43.085
all day yesterday and they're still doing it today.

2448
01:59:43.625 --> 01:59:46.885
But if somebody had a large branch in their backyard

2449
01:59:47.505 --> 01:59:49.485
and we drove the street and everything looked great

2450
01:59:49.585 --> 01:59:51.525
and then they pull it out to the middle of the road so

2451
01:59:51.525 --> 01:59:52.965
that they can say, well, that's not mine.

2452
01:59:53.105 --> 01:59:56.725
The, the district or the the villages will take care of it.

2453
01:59:57.025 --> 01:59:59.325
Um, that's not something that we would know about now.

2454
01:59:59.505 --> 02:00:02.485
So yes, we have no problem knocking on the door.

2455
02:00:02.905 --> 02:00:05.245
Um, and having those conversations with residents

2456
02:00:05.665 --> 02:00:07.565
and really just, if you can help us get

2457
02:00:07.625 --> 02:00:10.085
as much information out as possible that

2458
02:00:10.945 --> 02:00:12.245
it will be picked up.

2459
02:00:12.625 --> 02:00:16.245
It it, they will come, if you put it in the right spot,

2460
02:00:16.585 --> 02:00:18.685
if you dump it in the middle of the road,

2461
02:00:18.925 --> 02:00:22.685
a cul-de-sac at a parking lot, they won't get it.

2462
02:00:23.065 --> 02:00:25.045
And then it's gonna just take that much longer

2463
02:00:25.225 --> 02:00:28.085
and then the boards are gonna have to pay that much more

2464
02:00:28.345 --> 02:00:30.045
to have somebody else come in and clean it up.

2465
02:00:30.345 --> 02:00:34.365
And, and the, the disaster removal people

2466
02:00:34.955 --> 02:00:38.165
will not take stuff that is in a paper bag, is that correct?

2467
02:00:39.105 --> 02:00:43.205
Debris and it's gotta just be loose. Okay.

2468
02:00:43.505 --> 02:00:45.205
So the, the yard bags

2469
02:00:45.235 --> 02:00:47.365
that everybody uses will not be picked up.

2470
02:00:47.665 --> 02:00:51.685
And I'm telling you, just the driving around in Piedmont,

2471
02:00:52.075 --> 02:00:55.285
there's thousands of them that people think are going

2472
02:00:55.285 --> 02:00:57.525
to get picked up because they're with their piles

2473
02:00:57.525 --> 02:01:01.005
that they put in and they're gonna come and take the pile

2474
02:01:01.105 --> 02:01:02.405
and leave the other stuff.

2475
02:01:03.365 --> 02:01:06.605
I, I just see us getting lots of issues

2476
02:01:06.785 --> 02:01:09.885
and guys be prepared for a lot of phone calls.

2477
02:01:10.035 --> 02:01:12.805
Yeah, I I I do, I do as well.

2478
02:01:13.325 --> 02:01:16.245
I I just wanna clarify for, for myself.

2479
02:01:16.985 --> 02:01:20.525
Um, when we're putting the debris,

2480
02:01:20.915 --> 02:01:24.765
when you say the road right of way, are you talking about

2481
02:01:25.625 --> 02:01:29.285
the right of way from the curb

2482
02:01:29.785 --> 02:01:31.085
to the property line?

2483
02:01:31.305 --> 02:01:33.925
Yes sir. Okay, so proper,

2484
02:01:34.185 --> 02:01:37.885
proper disposal is not putting it in the curb

2485
02:01:38.865 --> 02:01:39.925
In front of your house?

2486
02:01:40.025 --> 02:01:41.845
No, no. It's in your actual

2487
02:01:42.575 --> 02:01:45.965
sawed grass area in the road wide. Yes. Front. And

2488
02:01:46.185 --> 02:01:47.325
That's where the, the front side of the house

2489
02:01:47.545 --> 02:01:49.005
and that's where the problem's gonna be

2490
02:01:49.005 --> 02:01:50.245
because it's gonna sit there

2491
02:01:50.305 --> 02:01:52.645
and they're not gonna start picking up until the 20th.

2492
02:01:52.645 --> 02:01:54.805
Hopefully last time District four was first

2493
02:01:55.165 --> 02:01:56.485
'cause we're the farthest north.

2494
02:01:56.975 --> 02:01:58.645
Maybe we'll be first again,

2495
02:01:59.065 --> 02:02:01.045
but the people that have it there for two

2496
02:02:01.065 --> 02:02:03.605
or three weeks are gonna start getting upset

2497
02:02:03.665 --> 02:02:05.365
and you're gonna start getting phone calls

2498
02:02:05.365 --> 02:02:07.365
because nobody's gonna want to take it.

2499
02:02:07.435 --> 02:02:10.245
Yeah. That's, that's, I I just, I understand

2500
02:02:10.245 --> 02:02:11.965
what staff's trying to do and that's the way to do it.

2501
02:02:12.085 --> 02:02:14.485
'cause hopefully when District Forest cleaned,

2502
02:02:14.895 --> 02:02:17.365
it'll all be cleaned in a matter of a couple of days.

2503
02:02:17.785 --> 02:02:19.605
That's the goal one they get. Yeah. Yeah.

2504
02:02:19.705 --> 02:02:21.125
So that part's good.

2505
02:02:21.405 --> 02:02:25.365
I just, residents sometimes

2506
02:02:25.775 --> 02:02:27.045
don't do what they should do.

2507
02:02:27.265 --> 02:02:29.045
That's, that's the easiest way to put it.

2508
02:02:29.145 --> 02:02:31.085
And I don't know how we get the word out there,

2509
02:02:31.085 --> 02:02:32.925
but I I sure will try to do everything.

2510
02:02:33.085 --> 02:02:35.005
I can't get the word out. Did Don?

2511
02:02:35.945 --> 02:02:38.125
Yes, several things. Number one,

2512
02:02:38.125 --> 02:02:42.285
because we are now used to putting, uh, yard waste

2513
02:02:43.485 --> 02:02:46.665
in a choice of bag of paper bags

2514
02:02:46.805 --> 02:02:49.065
or plastic bags, my wife

2515
02:02:49.085 --> 02:02:52.145
and I now have about eight to 12

2516
02:02:52.775 --> 02:02:56.185
plastic bags full of leaves, branches

2517
02:02:56.185 --> 02:02:57.985
that we tediously broke up.

2518
02:02:59.685 --> 02:03:01.265
If we put 'em in a paper bag

2519
02:03:02.085 --> 02:03:03.425
and then we continue

2520
02:03:03.425 --> 02:03:05.585
to get the rainstorms we've been getting,

2521
02:03:06.035 --> 02:03:08.105
those paper bags are gonna be mush

2522
02:03:08.805 --> 02:03:10.745
and they're gonna be all over the yard.

2523
02:03:10.855 --> 02:03:14.945
They're not gonna hold up for nine days or,

2524
02:03:14.945 --> 02:03:16.105
or weeks thereafter.

2525
02:03:17.285 --> 02:03:21.665
If we dump all those loose leaves outta the plastic bags

2526
02:03:21.845 --> 02:03:26.805
and into that area, FEMA's, people are not going to rake up

2527
02:03:26.805 --> 02:03:30.905
that yard and clean it up in order to pick it up

2528
02:03:30.905 --> 02:03:32.385
and put it into their trucks.

2529
02:03:32.765 --> 02:03:34.625
So we're still gonna have the mess out there.

2530
02:03:35.565 --> 02:03:38.145
We don't have room to put it on a driveway.

2531
02:03:38.525 --> 02:03:41.585
So it's gotta be on the grass like we talked about.

2532
02:03:42.345 --> 02:03:44.645
Um, and what is that grass gonna look like

2533
02:03:44.735 --> 02:03:45.845
after several weeks?

2534
02:03:47.105 --> 02:03:50.365
Um, there, there are issues on that.

2535
02:03:50.985 --> 02:03:53.165
So if, if it is in bags

2536
02:03:53.425 --> 02:03:58.005
and it is more of a normal yard clipping type issues,

2537
02:03:58.985 --> 02:04:00.565
Jacobs will pick up things

2538
02:04:00.565 --> 02:04:02.845
that meet their normal requirements as long

2539
02:04:02.845 --> 02:04:04.165
as it's not big storm debris.

2540
02:04:04.705 --> 02:04:08.845
So you can certainly try to put out the bags that

2541
02:04:09.465 --> 02:04:11.365
are just normal leaves and things

2542
02:04:11.675 --> 02:04:14.005
because that is stuff that they normally collect.

2543
02:04:14.475 --> 02:04:17.605
What you can't put out are huge branches

2544
02:04:17.625 --> 02:04:21.405
and piles of, of yard debris that fell through the storm.

2545
02:04:21.425 --> 02:04:23.125
But if you already have things bagged up

2546
02:04:23.425 --> 02:04:26.525
and they're prepared, like they are normally prepared for

2547
02:04:27.295 --> 02:04:31.165
sanitation, then Jacobs will will probably take that.

2548
02:04:31.605 --> 02:04:33.965
I don't know that I would put all 12 bags out at once.

2549
02:04:34.225 --> 02:04:35.805
Um, 'cause again, they are going

2550
02:04:35.805 --> 02:04:37.325
to be a little bit overloaded over

2551
02:04:37.325 --> 02:04:38.365
the next couple weeks too.

2552
02:04:38.905 --> 02:04:40.085
But I think that as long

2553
02:04:40.085 --> 02:04:43.365
as it's just normal yard clipping type materials,

2554
02:04:43.595 --> 02:04:45.565
then they are going to try to take some of that.

2555
02:04:45.675 --> 02:04:49.845
Okay. I'm gonna tag onto what Jim said as, as well.

2556
02:04:50.905 --> 02:04:53.605
Um, people are

2557
02:04:54.975 --> 02:04:57.125
doing several strange things.

2558
02:04:57.415 --> 02:05:01.685
Again, they are the ones that live along Legacy Lane.

2559
02:05:01.685 --> 02:05:05.965
They're in villas are, we have our district

2560
02:05:06.865 --> 02:05:10.965
hedges and landscaping between the villas and Legacy Lane.

2561
02:05:11.795 --> 02:05:15.325
They are tossing their tree lens

2562
02:05:15.425 --> 02:05:17.085
and stuff over the hedges

2563
02:05:17.225 --> 02:05:20.765
and they're falling down into the public right of way.

2564
02:05:21.545 --> 02:05:23.765
And you can see them scattered along there.

2565
02:05:24.825 --> 02:05:27.805
So they're getting rid of it,

2566
02:05:28.025 --> 02:05:31.365
but it's falling into the public right of way.

2567
02:05:31.885 --> 02:05:36.805
Nevertheless, the other issue that Jim alluded

2568
02:05:36.865 --> 02:05:41.485
to was that we only got about 10% of

2569
02:05:41.515 --> 02:05:45.085
what we should have gotten from FEMA the last time.

2570
02:05:47.065 --> 02:05:49.885
And they, and FEMA's answer was, well, we had so many other

2571
02:05:50.605 --> 02:05:54.725
disasters that we didn't have any money left.

2572
02:05:57.315 --> 02:06:00.565
What are our realistic expectations

2573
02:06:01.265 --> 02:06:04.205
to get anything from FEMA now in view

2574
02:06:04.205 --> 02:06:07.285
of all the disasters have been happening all over the

2575
02:06:07.285 --> 02:06:09.565
country, and how much

2576
02:06:10.555 --> 02:06:12.525
does the monitoring cost?

2577
02:06:13.155 --> 02:06:16.725
What percentage of our total cost is going

2578
02:06:16.725 --> 02:06:19.725
to end up going towards, uh, monitoring?

2579
02:06:19.825 --> 02:06:23.365
Is it less than 10% or is it more than 10%?

2580
02:06:25.005 --> 02:06:28.525
I don't, I it, it is too early for us to say

2581
02:06:28.595 --> 02:06:29.725
what the chances are

2582
02:06:29.825 --> 02:06:32.365
of you getting a reimbursement from fema.

2583
02:06:32.745 --> 02:06:35.565
Um, during Irma there were a lot of other issues

2584
02:06:35.875 --> 02:06:37.645
that were taken into consideration

2585
02:06:37.665 --> 02:06:39.765
and it wasn't just, there was a lot of debris.

2586
02:06:40.345 --> 02:06:44.925
Um, Irma had other issues in the

2587
02:06:45.405 --> 02:06:48.365
companies that came in and did it, that that led

2588
02:06:48.365 --> 02:06:50.445
to us not getting as much of a reimbursement.

2589
02:06:51.505 --> 02:06:55.005
Our consultant is very confident that we will be eligible

2590
02:06:55.005 --> 02:06:56.165
for reimbursements on this.

2591
02:06:56.865 --> 02:06:59.685
As far as what percentage, I think it's a little too early

2592
02:06:59.745 --> 02:07:01.885
for her to say she hasn't provided us with that.

2593
02:07:02.665 --> 02:07:04.765
Um, and I don't have your monitoring

2594
02:07:05.185 --> 02:07:08.085
or holler, um, contracts right in front of me,

2595
02:07:08.105 --> 02:07:09.325
but I can certainly pull those

2596
02:07:09.325 --> 02:07:10.805
and provide you with that information.

2597
02:07:11.705 --> 02:07:13.125
Do you know from the last time

2598
02:07:13.155 --> 02:07:16.005
what percentage the monitoring costs from?

2599
02:07:16.485 --> 02:07:17.725
I, not off the top of my head.

2600
02:07:18.125 --> 02:07:20.925
I don't, but we can send that information out.

2601
02:07:22.105 --> 02:07:26.765
It would be nice to, so, I, I, I'm not really anticipating

2602
02:07:27.305 --> 02:07:31.285
any fee reimbursement with what's on for the whole country.

2603
02:07:31.915 --> 02:07:34.165
Okay. If we get it, we get it,

2604
02:07:34.225 --> 02:07:38.205
but hopefully if we do it the way staff is proposing,

2605
02:07:38.575 --> 02:07:40.325
it'll be a lot more efficient.

2606
02:07:40.585 --> 02:07:42.205
So it'll be a lot less cost

2607
02:07:42.205 --> 02:07:43.765
because they won't be here as long.

2608
02:07:44.085 --> 02:07:48.285
I forgot what it was too. I meant to look at the contract.

2609
02:07:48.425 --> 02:07:52.045
So, um, it is what it is and we don't have a choice.

2610
02:07:52.345 --> 02:07:56.965
But I, we have to be, we have to be proactive and try

2611
02:07:57.225 --> 02:07:59.045
and solve some of the problems

2612
02:07:59.045 --> 02:08:01.445
that I anticipate are gonna be happening.

2613
02:08:02.425 --> 02:08:05.925
And the board needs to be aware of probably getting lots

2614
02:08:05.925 --> 02:08:10.045
of phone calls when, when, uh, Jacobs goes

2615
02:08:10.105 --> 02:08:13.365
by tomorrow morning and District Four picks up garbage

2616
02:08:13.625 --> 02:08:15.365
and leaves a whole bunch of stuff there.

2617
02:08:15.645 --> 02:08:17.365
'cause that's when the phone calls are gonna start.

2618
02:08:17.685 --> 02:08:19.685
'cause there's a lot of stuff they're not

2619
02:08:19.685 --> 02:08:20.845
gonna be able to take.

2620
02:08:20.855 --> 02:08:25.605
Right. And I understand that. Um, so it is what it is.

2621
02:08:25.715 --> 02:08:27.245
Anybody has anything else? Yeah, I do.

2622
02:08:27.785 --> 02:08:32.245
Um, on the 10th, uh, Jennifer sent out a,

2623
02:08:32.365 --> 02:08:34.165
a memo called Debris Hauling.

2624
02:08:34.625 --> 02:08:37.525
And part of when you go down in part it says the facility,

2625
02:08:37.705 --> 02:08:40.285
uh, to facilitate efficient debris removal,

2626
02:08:40.305 --> 02:08:42.125
the public would be advised of the following.

2627
02:08:42.225 --> 02:08:46.005
One place all storm related yard debris curbside on

2628
02:08:46.005 --> 02:08:47.005
residential property.

2629
02:08:47.385 --> 02:08:50.965
Two do not place storm related debris in the roadway.

2630
02:08:51.225 --> 02:08:53.165
And that's what's happening on barter move.

2631
02:08:53.365 --> 02:08:56.005
I mean on, uh, on bellami.

2632
02:08:56.745 --> 02:08:58.645
And the very next thing, number three,

2633
02:08:58.645 --> 02:09:01.845
it says do not use plastic bags for storm related debris.

2634
02:09:02.135 --> 02:09:03.285
Leave it unbagged

2635
02:09:03.545 --> 02:09:08.365
or use paper de biodegradable bags only.

2636
02:09:08.905 --> 02:09:10.845
And that's what those great big brown bags are.

2637
02:09:11.345 --> 02:09:13.005
That's, that's what I did with all mine.

2638
02:09:13.125 --> 02:09:14.405
I have, I have nine bags there.

2639
02:09:14.705 --> 02:09:17.805
But Jacobs will take those with your regular I I agree.

2640
02:09:17.885 --> 02:09:19.925
I agree. But according to this,

2641
02:09:20.265 --> 02:09:21.805
the storm hauler will take those also.

2642
02:09:21.995 --> 02:09:24.045
Okay. No, according that's what that,

2643
02:09:24.045 --> 02:09:25.405
If that's what was included,

2644
02:09:25.565 --> 02:09:26.805
I don't have it in front of me.

2645
02:09:27.045 --> 02:09:28.325
I know you can't do plastics,

2646
02:09:28.345 --> 02:09:31.765
but maybe you can do the, the biodegradable

2647
02:09:31.795 --> 02:09:32.795
Ones. Right. Well if

2648
02:09:32.795 --> 02:09:33.685
you can do that,

2649
02:09:33.755 --> 02:09:35.405
that changes a whole lot of stuff.

2650
02:09:35.405 --> 02:09:37.565
Exactly. Yeah. But, but it's still gonna be sitting there

2651
02:09:37.625 --> 02:09:40.565
for another 10 days and maybe even longer.

2652
02:09:40.845 --> 02:09:42.405
'cause we don't know who's gonna be first.

2653
02:09:43.075 --> 02:09:44.925
Hopefully it'll be district four.

2654
02:09:45.485 --> 02:09:47.405
I, I just think we need to be prepared

2655
02:09:47.545 --> 02:09:50.765
for the phone ringing off the hook and the issues that come.

2656
02:09:50.905 --> 02:09:54.845
Um, uh, if you go, if you go down to the corner of, of Devo

2657
02:09:55.345 --> 02:09:57.805
and bar from Loop, the house that's on the corner

2658
02:09:58.225 --> 02:10:02.085
for the lady that that's gone, had a contractor come in

2659
02:10:02.105 --> 02:10:06.525
and he trimmed her segel palm all the way up.

2660
02:10:07.265 --> 02:10:09.965
He never hauled the stuff away. He piled it up.

2661
02:10:10.025 --> 02:10:13.205
And those summer, those prawns are six or eight feet long

2662
02:10:13.705 --> 02:10:15.365
and just left it laying in the driveway.

2663
02:10:18.385 --> 02:10:21.045
The pile is probably five or five and a half

2664
02:10:21.065 --> 02:10:22.165
or six feet tall.

2665
02:10:22.305 --> 02:10:26.885
Yep. Probably by 10 feet. It, it diameter, it's enormous.

2666
02:10:27.305 --> 02:10:31.325
Um, and um, it is what it is.

2667
02:10:32.545 --> 02:10:35.525
If Jacobs won't take it, that's for sure.

2668
02:10:36.105 --> 02:10:40.165
And I just, I guess staff,

2669
02:10:40.315 --> 02:10:41.405
well I guess we'll have to wait

2670
02:10:41.405 --> 02:10:43.285
and see if the debris hauler takes it or

2671
02:10:43.285 --> 02:10:44.285
Doesn't. Typically they won't.

2672
02:10:44.285 --> 02:10:45.965
If it looks like it was just

2673
02:10:46.045 --> 02:10:47.165
a normal trimming.

2674
02:10:47.475 --> 02:10:49.325
Well this is beyond a normal trim.

2675
02:10:49.675 --> 02:10:52.965
Well, I I mean if it looks like it wasn't storm debris.

2676
02:10:53.505 --> 02:10:55.685
No, this is not. You can, you can see

2677
02:10:55.685 --> 02:10:56.805
that they, they trimmed the,

2678
02:10:57.115 --> 02:10:58.405
Well she can hope that they take it,

2679
02:10:58.665 --> 02:11:00.885
but typically they will not if it looks like it

2680
02:11:00.885 --> 02:11:01.965
was just trimming.

2681
02:11:02.345 --> 02:11:05.605
So, so we'll have an issue once this is all said and done,

2682
02:11:05.665 --> 02:11:06.925
but that's still being there.

2683
02:11:06.995 --> 02:11:08.685
Someone's gonna have to go pick it up

2684
02:11:08.685 --> 02:11:11.125
because what's gonna happen is

2685
02:11:12.405 --> 02:11:13.895
animals are gonna start living.

2686
02:11:14.235 --> 02:11:17.655
Yep. I mean, it's big enough. I mean it's, it's kind of bad.

2687
02:11:18.155 --> 02:11:20.535
Um, I do have another question

2688
02:11:20.755 --> 02:11:22.055
and it, it is sort

2689
02:11:22.055 --> 02:11:23.935
of the same house that he's talking about.

2690
02:11:23.935 --> 02:11:24.935
When they trimmed the yard

2691
02:11:25.315 --> 02:11:26.375
and they cut the grass,

2692
02:11:26.425 --> 02:11:28.895
which is they cut it like every three weeks,

2693
02:11:29.355 --> 02:11:30.975
it was extremely high.

2694
02:11:31.365 --> 02:11:33.655
Then they didn't blow the stuff out of the street.

2695
02:11:34.475 --> 02:11:35.855
So when the rain came,

2696
02:11:36.075 --> 02:11:39.455
it washed all these grass clippings into our sewer,

2697
02:11:39.745 --> 02:11:42.975
which ends up down the road costing us other problems.

2698
02:11:43.155 --> 02:11:46.935
And, and it money, do we have a,

2699
02:11:47.875 --> 02:11:51.055
do we have a procedure where that can be addressed?

2700
02:11:53.715 --> 02:11:55.935
And this isn't the first time that that's happened.

2701
02:11:56.005 --> 02:11:58.295
It's happened every time this gentleman's cut the grass.

2702
02:11:58.435 --> 02:12:01.815
It just hasn't been this high as it was the last time.

2703
02:12:02.515 --> 02:12:04.895
And, and the lady that owns the house is not there.

2704
02:12:05.025 --> 02:12:07.055
She's only there a short period of time.

2705
02:12:07.475 --> 02:12:08.615
So the house is vacant.

2706
02:12:09.095 --> 02:12:10.535
I mean, we can contact the homeowner

2707
02:12:10.535 --> 02:12:11.775
and let them know what's happening,

2708
02:12:11.835 --> 02:12:14.655
but we don't have a mechanism in place for, for anybody

2709
02:12:14.655 --> 02:12:15.695
to go in and do it for them.

2710
02:12:16.115 --> 02:12:18.375
May maybe she can, if somebody, if they can do that,

2711
02:12:18.375 --> 02:12:22.095
they can find out who the contractor is that she hired

2712
02:12:22.515 --> 02:12:25.255
and get them, order them back there and, and pick it up

2713
02:12:25.275 --> 02:12:27.215
or going to go on the tax bill.

2714
02:12:27.355 --> 02:12:29.575
Yep. I mean we, well we can't put it on

2715
02:12:29.575 --> 02:12:30.615
the tax bill, but we can't.

2716
02:12:30.875 --> 02:12:33.575
No, but we can certainly, again, reach out

2717
02:12:33.575 --> 02:12:35.615
to them if you send us the address.

2718
02:12:36.235 --> 02:12:37.935
Um, or if you know who the contractor is,

2719
02:12:37.935 --> 02:12:40.055
if you just take a picture, if they have their name on their

2720
02:12:40.055 --> 02:12:41.815
truck, he doesn't just, okay.

2721
02:12:41.885 --> 02:12:43.215
Yeah, just send us the address

2722
02:12:43.215 --> 02:12:44.895
and we'll do some, we'll do some homework.

2723
02:12:45.485 --> 02:12:47.735
That was a good thought, but he doesn't, if he did,

2724
02:12:47.855 --> 02:12:50.295
I would've taken a picture already.

2725
02:12:50.805 --> 02:12:53.495
Okay. Um, anything else? Okay.

2726
02:12:53.635 --> 02:12:55.855
Are you done with everything cur?

2727
02:12:56.915 --> 02:12:59.295
Um, no sir. I do have a couple more items.

2728
02:12:59.595 --> 02:13:03.095
The next one is a reminder for government day November 2nd.

2729
02:13:03.235 --> 02:13:06.495
We did pass around a, um, signup sheet.

2730
02:13:06.515 --> 02:13:08.215
We would appreciate you signing up

2731
02:13:08.215 --> 02:13:09.415
if you would like to volunteer.

2732
02:13:10.265 --> 02:13:11.655
We've already gone through cco.

2733
02:13:11.835 --> 02:13:16.215
And then finally we do have, um, a year annual

2734
02:13:16.355 --> 02:13:19.775
and review for district four with DECOMPLIANCE and a RC

2735
02:13:20.195 --> 02:13:22.215
and Mr. Armstrong is happy to go through that.

2736
02:13:25.445 --> 02:13:26.375
Okay. Alright.

2737
02:13:31.815 --> 02:13:32.605
Hello, board Met

2738
02:13:32.605 --> 02:13:34.085
Armstrong Director of Community Standards.

2739
02:13:34.305 --> 02:13:36.365
So before you today, we do have your end of year fiscal,

2740
02:13:36.465 --> 02:13:39.845
fiscal 2324 statistics for District four.

2741
02:13:41.115 --> 02:13:43.005
This past fiscal year you did receive,

2742
02:13:43.075 --> 02:13:45.965
your district received 206 concerns

2743
02:13:46.105 --> 02:13:47.685
of possible deed violations.

2744
02:13:48.975 --> 02:13:52.605
43 of those became a written violation notice.

2745
02:13:52.825 --> 02:13:55.125
And of those 43 12 came to public hearing.

2746
02:13:57.875 --> 02:14:01.605
This is just a, a graphical view of those statistics

2747
02:14:01.605 --> 02:14:02.765
that were on the previous slide.

2748
02:14:02.765 --> 02:14:03.965
So you can visually see what it is

2749
02:14:03.985 --> 02:14:05.125
and kind of where the trend is going.

2750
02:14:05.905 --> 02:14:07.405
Uh, public hearings year to year,

2751
02:14:07.455 --> 02:14:09.205
relatively the same past three years.

2752
02:14:09.235 --> 02:14:10.565
What? 10, 13, and 12.

2753
02:14:13.585 --> 02:14:14.965
The number of decompliance

2754
02:14:14.965 --> 02:14:16.605
concerns received on a monthly basis.

2755
02:14:16.745 --> 02:14:18.285
You can see the breakdown rate there.

2756
02:14:18.745 --> 02:14:22.405
Uh, this comes out to about a 71% verification rate.

2757
02:14:22.425 --> 02:14:27.045
Of the 206 received concerns, uh, 146

2758
02:14:27.065 --> 02:14:29.645
of those concerns were verifiable concerns.

2759
02:14:31.635 --> 02:14:34.285
Here is a breakdown of those concerns.

2760
02:14:34.905 --> 02:14:36.485
The appearance of the home and

2761
02:14:36.485 --> 02:14:39.325
or lot again, number one, handover fist

2762
02:14:39.345 --> 02:14:40.885
to the greatest number of concerns received

2763
02:14:40.905 --> 02:14:41.965
in tall grass and weeds.

2764
02:14:42.245 --> 02:14:44.405
Algae grove from the home. The condition of the property,

2765
02:14:44.985 --> 02:14:47.125
uh, coming in second place are signed,

2766
02:14:47.265 --> 02:14:48.805
but that is due to the time of year

2767
02:14:48.805 --> 02:14:49.805
that we are in right now.

2768
02:14:53.505 --> 02:14:55.605
And the last slide I have for you is the number

2769
02:14:55.605 --> 02:14:57.765
of architectural review applications we processed

2770
02:14:57.765 --> 02:15:00.245
for District four this year at 251

2771
02:15:00.525 --> 02:15:02.285
applications for District four.

2772
02:15:03.625 --> 02:15:05.525
And I'm here to answer any questions that you may have,

2773
02:15:09.085 --> 02:15:10.525
I think in the future.

2774
02:15:10.715 --> 02:15:13.605
Matt, next time we do one of these at the end of the year,

2775
02:15:13.675 --> 02:15:17.325
it'd be helpful if you put what we had the proceeding year,

2776
02:15:18.075 --> 02:15:20.925
just so we could see if we went up or down for

2777
02:15:20.925 --> 02:15:22.405
Architectural review applications.

2778
02:15:22.515 --> 02:15:24.765
Yeah, okay. I could do a a three year,

2779
02:15:24.845 --> 02:15:27.605
I mean 2 51, but you know, is that what we had last year?

2780
02:15:27.605 --> 02:15:31.125
Do we have 600 last year? I just

2781
02:15:32.725 --> 02:15:35.525
Absolutely, I mean we should be pretty consistent

2782
02:15:35.525 --> 02:15:37.365
because we're one of the older districts,

2783
02:15:37.625 --> 02:15:39.205
the new districts fluctuate.

2784
02:15:39.465 --> 02:15:42.245
So this year of course is the 251.

2785
02:15:43.515 --> 02:15:46.765
Last year you had 294

2786
02:15:47.765 --> 02:15:50.985
and two years previous you had 381.

2787
02:15:51.165 --> 02:15:52.345
So we're going down. So It's a

2788
02:15:52.345 --> 02:15:53.425
downward trend of the number of which

2789
02:15:53.425 --> 02:15:54.425
Is a good thing. Okay.

2790
02:15:54.425 --> 02:15:57.545
Yeah. Yeah. We're going down.

2791
02:15:57.775 --> 02:16:00.945
Well that, that's, that's a big drop from two years ago, so.

2792
02:16:01.295 --> 02:16:04.665
Okay. Anybody have any questions? Just a nice job.

2793
02:16:04.775 --> 02:16:06.025
Yeah. As usual from you.

2794
02:16:06.635 --> 02:16:08.905
Thank You. Okay. Very interesting. Thank you.

2795
02:16:09.455 --> 02:16:11.345
Just your council request. Yes sir.

2796
02:16:11.345 --> 02:16:13.585
I have Two reports. The first one is a reminder

2797
02:16:13.585 --> 02:16:17.025
that the next supervisor training only in ethics,

2798
02:16:17.165 --> 02:16:20.305
public records and Sunshine Laws scheduled for Tuesday,

2799
02:16:20.335 --> 02:16:24.145
October 22nd at 9:00 AM If you still need credits,

2800
02:16:24.145 --> 02:16:25.785
you can sign up for that through

2801
02:16:25.785 --> 02:16:26.785
The clerk's office.

2802
02:16:28.005 --> 02:16:31.885
Do we know if all of our supervisors have completed that?

2803
02:16:32.525 --> 02:16:33.885
I am not sure. It's something

2804
02:16:33.885 --> 02:16:35.445
supervisors have to, I've not completed

2805
02:16:35.445 --> 02:16:36.445
Mine yet. Alright. I've

2806
02:16:36.445 --> 02:16:38.485
done, I'm done. I know I'm done.

2807
02:16:39.245 --> 02:16:42.445
I could signed up for The October.

2808
02:16:42.635 --> 02:16:46.845
Okay. Okay. The next, uh, item I have on the agenda is

2809
02:16:47.565 --> 02:16:51.005
a request here to close three separate

2810
02:16:52.575 --> 02:16:54.005
cases that we entered orders

2811
02:16:54.025 --> 02:16:55.645
of enforcement against property owners

2812
02:16:55.785 --> 02:16:59.365
for these properties were sold at foreclosure sale

2813
02:16:59.435 --> 02:17:03.805
with no funds remaining, um, for us to make a claim to, uh,

2814
02:17:04.185 --> 02:17:06.165
on either of these, on any of these properties.

2815
02:17:06.345 --> 02:17:08.005
We did file a petition with the court.

2816
02:17:08.425 --> 02:17:10.005
We filed a response and answer

2817
02:17:10.005 --> 02:17:11.605
and asked the court to allow us

2818
02:17:11.605 --> 02:17:13.485
to participate in any surplus funds

2819
02:17:13.485 --> 02:17:14.485
that might have been available.

2820
02:17:15.015 --> 02:17:16.085
There were none available.

2821
02:17:16.265 --> 02:17:19.765
So there are no funds for us to recover any money, uh,

2822
02:17:19.765 --> 02:17:20.885
under these three properties.

2823
02:17:21.505 --> 02:17:24.005
Um, so the request has been made to close these files.

2824
02:17:24.065 --> 02:17:26.165
And what that would mean is you're not only closing the

2825
02:17:26.165 --> 02:17:27.805
files, but you're also waiving the fines.

2826
02:17:28.545 --> 02:17:31.245
Um, the only alternatives would be to do nothing

2827
02:17:31.545 --> 02:17:34.645
and leave the, uh, cases open, which

2828
02:17:35.395 --> 02:17:37.205
doesn't do anything but affect your books.

2829
02:17:37.785 --> 02:17:39.045
Um, or alternatively,

2830
02:17:39.145 --> 02:17:40.885
if there are still property owners out there

2831
02:17:40.885 --> 02:17:44.365
that we could locate, we could sue them individually for,

2832
02:17:44.705 --> 02:17:46.445
um, recovery of that amount of money.

2833
02:17:46.505 --> 02:17:49.245
But again, these properties were in foreclosure, um,

2834
02:17:49.335 --> 02:17:50.405
which tells you something.

2835
02:17:50.505 --> 02:17:52.725
So it's up to the board as to how you wanna proceed.

2836
02:17:52.725 --> 02:17:54.845
But the request is to close these cases.

2837
02:17:56.185 --> 02:17:57.185
Can We do Carrie?

2838
02:17:57.585 --> 02:18:01.365
Um, yes. I don't have any

2839
02:18:01.485 --> 02:18:02.645
problem with closing cases.

2840
02:18:02.755 --> 02:18:03.845
That would be my vote.

2841
02:18:04.705 --> 02:18:09.245
Um, however, um, I would like to ask,

2842
02:18:09.485 --> 02:18:13.765
I get Matt, um, to, um,

2843
02:18:15.515 --> 02:18:20.125
make to see if the violations have been corrected and if,

2844
02:18:20.665 --> 02:18:24.885
and if not then put the new owners on notice

2845
02:18:25.595 --> 02:18:27.965
that these violations are continuing

2846
02:18:28.305 --> 02:18:30.325
and that they will be held accountable.

2847
02:18:30.385 --> 02:18:32.765
That's right. And I did actually ask Mr. Armstrong

2848
02:18:32.765 --> 02:18:34.365
that question 'cause I knew that would come up.

2849
02:18:34.365 --> 02:18:36.565
He said that, um, they are in compliance now.

2850
02:18:37.265 --> 02:18:39.125
You are correct. If they were not in compliance,

2851
02:18:39.125 --> 02:18:41.045
then we would start the process over with new owners

2852
02:18:41.185 --> 02:18:43.165
and ensure that they bring the property into compliance

2853
02:18:43.185 --> 02:18:46.125
and then if not, start the lien process again.

2854
02:18:46.775 --> 02:18:49.205
Thank you. Couple questions.

2855
02:18:49.425 --> 02:18:53.965
Um, um, do we

2856
02:18:53.985 --> 02:18:57.005
as a group fall under the classification of

2857
02:18:57.005 --> 02:18:59.365
what they call a, um, super leann?

2858
02:18:59.625 --> 02:19:00.645
No, we do not.

2859
02:19:00.865 --> 02:19:03.605
No. Unfortunately no. Um,

2860
02:19:05.825 --> 02:19:09.725
should we be pursuing that, uh, with state government?

2861
02:19:09.985 --> 02:19:13.525
Uh, you know, why is an HMO allowed to super leann

2862
02:19:13.585 --> 02:19:15.885
and we as another organization or not?

2863
02:19:17.505 --> 02:19:18.785
I mean, I think that's a good question.

2864
02:19:18.905 --> 02:19:20.385
I I don't have an answer for that. No,

2865
02:19:20.465 --> 02:19:23.465
I I didn't, I I didn't expect you to or

2866
02:19:23.465 --> 02:19:25.425
nor did I want you to just, I mean,

2867
02:19:25.425 --> 02:19:27.105
I think wondering if we should, um,

2868
02:19:27.945 --> 02:19:30.365
see if we could fall under that classification.

2869
02:19:31.345 --> 02:19:33.845
Um, I, I don't know how much it would do

2870
02:19:33.865 --> 02:19:37.885
for us whether there's a, could be a significant timeframe

2871
02:19:38.475 --> 02:19:42.805
between the date that, uh, we recorded a declaration, uh,

2872
02:19:43.345 --> 02:19:45.045
as compared to when it was recorded.

2873
02:19:45.185 --> 02:19:46.765
Is there, is there a possibility

2874
02:19:46.765 --> 02:19:48.405
that be a lengthy time period?

2875
02:19:48.785 --> 02:19:50.885
So it's not the time of recording declaration,

2876
02:19:50.885 --> 02:19:52.725
it's the time of recording the order of enforcement.

2877
02:19:52.945 --> 02:19:54.685
And since the order of enforcement was recorded

2878
02:19:54.695 --> 02:19:57.365
after the mortgage and um, certainly

2879
02:19:57.365 --> 02:19:58.805
after the declaration, there's,

2880
02:20:00.045 --> 02:20:02.285
But if, uh, if you're, if we, if we were under the super

2881
02:20:02.475 --> 02:20:05.965
lien, then our lien would, uh,

2882
02:20:06.245 --> 02:20:07.765
revert back to the declaration.

2883
02:20:08.195 --> 02:20:11.765
Correct. So we could, we could gain some time. Correct.

2884
02:20:11.995 --> 02:20:15.525
Yeah. But even the declarations are, um, inferior

2885
02:20:15.625 --> 02:20:17.165
to the mortgage company. Okay.

2886
02:20:17.505 --> 02:20:20.485
And, and most of these are either what

2887
02:20:21.445 --> 02:20:24.525
non-judicial versus, um, you know, a

2888
02:20:25.205 --> 02:20:26.525
judicial hearing on the liens.

2889
02:20:26.795 --> 02:20:27.925
They're non-judicial.

2890
02:20:27.925 --> 02:20:30.165
But even if it were a judicial, if it were a judgment,

2891
02:20:30.305 --> 02:20:32.885
it still would not have priority over a mortgage. Okay.

2892
02:20:33.395 --> 02:20:35.685
Very fair. So it doesn't matter which one they fall under,

2893
02:20:36.545 --> 02:20:40.485
uh, where we could use the super lien procedure, possibly.

2894
02:20:40.985 --> 02:20:42.805
No, not right now. We can't. Okay.

2895
02:20:43.225 --> 02:20:46.005
And again, overall, I mean, I know we've had

2896
02:20:46.005 --> 02:20:47.845
to waive some fines in district four,

2897
02:20:47.865 --> 02:20:50.045
but overall the process has, has been working.

2898
02:20:50.705 --> 02:20:54.125
Uh, I think, um, the districts have seen, uh,

2899
02:20:54.435 --> 02:20:56.125
have recovered a, a number, uh,

2900
02:20:56.425 --> 02:20:57.445
on a number of different cases.

2901
02:20:57.595 --> 02:20:59.805
It's just unfortunate that in this situation

2902
02:21:00.075 --> 02:21:01.565
there's just nothing left for us to,

2903
02:21:01.705 --> 02:21:04.645
In the, in the case of the one here, we're writing off of

2904
02:21:04.715 --> 02:21:06.605
what, 50 $50,000?

2905
02:21:06.715 --> 02:21:07.725
Yeah. Um,

2906
02:21:10.025 --> 02:21:12.325
is there any procedure whereby we can

2907
02:21:13.065 --> 02:21:14.845
sue somebody to try and get that money?

2908
02:21:15.145 --> 02:21:17.925
The property owners that the, the prior property owners,

2909
02:21:17.925 --> 02:21:20.365
because you still incurred, um,

2910
02:21:20.655 --> 02:21:22.005
costs, fees and that sort of thing.

2911
02:21:22.105 --> 02:21:26.005
You can still sue a property owner if they're alive, um,

2912
02:21:26.105 --> 02:21:27.525
and get a judgment against them.

2913
02:21:28.225 --> 02:21:30.325
You know, chances are you're not gonna recover anything

2914
02:21:30.325 --> 02:21:31.805
because, um, you know

2915
02:21:31.995 --> 02:21:33.445
that they're in foreclosure for a reason.

2916
02:21:33.445 --> 02:21:35.485
They weren't able to afford to, um,

2917
02:21:36.345 --> 02:21:37.525
pay for the property itself.

2918
02:21:37.665 --> 02:21:40.645
So, but yes, you can, it'll cost money. Obviously it

2919
02:21:40.645 --> 02:21:41.805
Costs Attorney understand.

2920
02:21:41.945 --> 02:21:44.165
Um, if they respond, um,

2921
02:21:44.265 --> 02:21:46.165
and litigate it could be very expensive.

2922
02:21:47.135 --> 02:21:50.045
Again, my guess is they, they probably would not litigate

2923
02:21:50.045 --> 02:21:51.845
because they probably don't have the money to do it.

2924
02:21:51.845 --> 02:21:54.085
But you would still incur 'em costs up front to do that.

2925
02:21:54.825 --> 02:21:57.045
And then what you would do is you would get a final judgment

2926
02:21:57.075 --> 02:21:59.485
that would be recorded as another lien against them.

2927
02:21:59.505 --> 02:22:01.685
And at some point in time, um,

2928
02:22:01.835 --> 02:22:03.445
they would hopefully have to pay that.

2929
02:22:05.625 --> 02:22:07.485
Yes. So you don't have a good feel for what?

2930
02:22:07.485 --> 02:22:09.245
An amount of money? Um,

2931
02:22:09.685 --> 02:22:12.525
I, if, if you want me to, if you want me to look into

2932
02:22:12.525 --> 02:22:16.045
that, I can, um, look further into the information

2933
02:22:16.045 --> 02:22:19.805
concerning the owners, um, see if we can locate them.

2934
02:22:20.225 --> 02:22:23.325
Um, and then I can give you my thoughts on, on that.

2935
02:22:23.425 --> 02:22:26.245
If you'd rather wait and your thought would be put this on

2936
02:22:26.305 --> 02:22:28.605
to, uh, put this off until next month's agenda.

2937
02:22:29.205 --> 02:22:30.925
I can get you more information. They're

2938
02:22:31.045 --> 02:22:32.045
Deceased. They're, they're

2939
02:22:32.045 --> 02:22:32.965
deceased. So

2940
02:22:33.245 --> 02:22:34.445
I was just gonna Yeah, yeah.

2941
02:22:34.745 --> 02:22:36.085
The, the homeowners are deceased

2942
02:22:36.085 --> 02:22:38.325
and the reason why this was at $50,000 is

2943
02:22:38.325 --> 02:22:39.605
because there was a blue tarp on the roof

2944
02:22:39.605 --> 02:22:41.685
and it accrued a $50 daily fine

2945
02:22:41.785 --> 02:22:43.445
for over like a two year period.

2946
02:22:44.265 --> 02:22:47.725
So it, there is no like, cost to staff expenses

2947
02:22:47.725 --> 02:22:48.925
besides just, it's a reoccurring

2948
02:22:48.925 --> 02:22:50.485
Well, that, that would be the other question.

2949
02:22:50.485 --> 02:22:51.765
You, that would be part of the

2950
02:22:52.285 --> 02:22:53.565
response probably would be whether

2951
02:22:54.265 --> 02:22:58.805
we would even have a legal right to go after 'em with just

2952
02:22:58.805 --> 02:22:59.925
because it's a fine.

2953
02:23:00.205 --> 02:23:01.205
I don't know. You,

2954
02:23:01.505 --> 02:23:02.505
You do. But in this case,

2955
02:23:02.505 --> 02:23:04.125
you know, given the information,

2956
02:23:04.325 --> 02:23:06.485
I think it's best to just close these cases. Wa

2957
02:23:06.595 --> 02:23:07.595
Fine. Do we need a

2958
02:23:07.595 --> 02:23:08.485
motion to close them?

2959
02:23:08.665 --> 02:23:10.285
Yes sir. Motion to, uh,

2960
02:23:10.285 --> 02:23:13.765
close case number D four dash zero seven dash 20 1D four

2961
02:23:13.765 --> 02:23:17.565
dash one dash 20 1D four dash zero one dash 23.

2962
02:23:17.565 --> 02:23:19.445
And waive all related fines. So

2963
02:23:19.445 --> 02:23:20.445
Move second.

2964
02:23:21.185 --> 02:23:22.365
All in favor? Aye.

2965
02:23:22.785 --> 02:23:25.205
All opposed, unanimously approached. Thank

2966
02:23:25.205 --> 02:23:26.205
You. Board.

2967
02:23:26.205 --> 02:23:26.285

2968
02:23:26.515 --> 02:23:28.725
Okay, last chance for public comment,

2969
02:23:29.105 --> 02:23:29.685
Mr. Chairman.

2970
02:23:30.265 --> 02:23:33.445
Oh Yes. Before we get to that, um,

2971
02:23:34.025 --> 02:23:36.565
you asked me if I had any comments

2972
02:23:37.665 --> 02:23:39.445
and I'm sorry.

2973
02:23:40.665 --> 02:23:42.805
Um, I have, I had it,

2974
02:23:43.005 --> 02:23:46.205
I had it written down here under public comments.

2975
02:23:46.465 --> 02:23:48.885
It should have been backed under. Okay, go ahead.

2976
02:23:49.425 --> 02:23:53.405
And it is, has become a pretty important issue.

2977
02:23:54.665 --> 02:23:59.045
Um, last month, I think this board is aware of the fact

2978
02:23:59.795 --> 02:24:04.485
that we had flooding occurring on Legacy Lane at,

2979
02:24:04.785 --> 02:24:07.965
uh, park Glen Intersection.

2980
02:24:08.745 --> 02:24:12.925
We had flooding on the upper road known as,

2981
02:24:13.545 --> 02:24:18.285
um, Arlington, um, Lou

2982
02:24:19.265 --> 02:24:23.845
and, uh, Brooke, uh, I don't have the other name.

2983
02:24:23.845 --> 02:24:25.925
Brooke. Brooke. Haven. Haven. Yes.

2984
02:24:26.665 --> 02:24:31.125
And the, we had a,

2985
02:24:32.065 --> 02:24:36.885
uh, storm drain from the Legacy going down to the Amberwood

2986
02:24:37.875 --> 02:24:40.845
Golf course pond, which is behind, uh,

2987
02:24:40.915 --> 02:24:42.365
Chatham Recreation Center.

2988
02:24:42.905 --> 02:24:45.005
And that was under construction

2989
02:24:45.065 --> 02:24:47.885
and repaired for weeks and weeks and weeks.

2990
02:24:49.025 --> 02:24:52.365
And they thought they had

2991
02:24:52.365 --> 02:24:54.045
it fixed.

2992
02:24:54.105 --> 02:24:57.325
It put a new liner in there and so on. It got twisted up.

2993
02:24:57.865 --> 02:25:00.725
And so the storm drain was totally blocked.

2994
02:25:01.465 --> 02:25:06.325
Uh, people who were outside of the area west

2995
02:25:06.325 --> 02:25:09.165
of Chatham Rec Center couldn't get into their

2996
02:25:09.165 --> 02:25:10.525
homes for several hours.

2997
02:25:10.865 --> 02:25:13.125
People that were already back there in their

2998
02:25:13.125 --> 02:25:14.565
home couldn't get out.

2999
02:25:15.195 --> 02:25:16.605
They couldn't get out on Legacy.

3000
02:25:16.755 --> 02:25:19.965
They couldn't get out on Arlington, which were the only two

3001
02:25:20.495 --> 02:25:22.165
roads available to them.

3002
02:25:22.745 --> 02:25:24.165
It was a serious situation.

3003
02:25:27.245 --> 02:25:29.685
Supposedly the issue had been fixed,

3004
02:25:30.545 --> 02:25:33.805
but now we had multiple hurricanes come in.

3005
02:25:35.025 --> 02:25:37.005
The ponds have all been leveled out

3006
02:25:38.155 --> 02:25:40.735
and lowered as low as they could get them,

3007
02:25:41.835 --> 02:25:43.695
but it has not been enough.

3008
02:25:44.555 --> 02:25:47.255
And the storm drains have blocked

3009
02:25:48.165 --> 02:25:52.735
because they're not flowing into the pond.

3010
02:25:54.615 --> 02:25:57.335
I don't know if there's any blockage in those

3011
02:25:57.385 --> 02:25:58.775
storm drains anywhere.

3012
02:26:00.135 --> 02:26:03.395
But the fact of it is the water back all the way back up

3013
02:26:03.395 --> 02:26:05.635
to Brookhaven off of Arlington Loop.

3014
02:26:06.255 --> 02:26:07.595
And there's still, when

3015
02:26:07.595 --> 02:26:10.275
before I came to the meeting, there was still water

3016
02:26:10.955 --> 02:26:13.235
standing going across Brookhaven

3017
02:26:14.455 --> 02:26:18.195
and it couldn't get down to Park Glen.

3018
02:26:18.695 --> 02:26:22.915
And all of those storm drains had water up

3019
02:26:23.055 --> 02:26:24.795
to the graves earlier.

3020
02:26:25.105 --> 02:26:27.995
They had water into the street.

3021
02:26:28.895 --> 02:26:30.915
But that part has dropped down.

3022
02:26:31.015 --> 02:26:33.755
But Brookhaven has not yet dropped down.

3023
02:26:34.695 --> 02:26:37.795
The residents there are really concerned

3024
02:26:37.935 --> 02:26:41.995
and really upset even when there's not a hurricane.

3025
02:26:44.075 --> 02:26:48.965
They have water directed from Arlington Loop

3026
02:26:48.985 --> 02:26:51.725
and from the cul-de-sac off of Arlington Loop

3027
02:26:52.385 --> 02:26:55.245
and all that water's supposed to be flowing downhill.

3028
02:26:56.265 --> 02:27:00.085
And it is, but it's flowing over the yards

3029
02:27:00.945 --> 02:27:04.405
of the residents who face, um,

3030
02:27:06.435 --> 02:27:08.525
park, uh, park limb.

3031
02:27:09.265 --> 02:27:11.325
And those residents are all complaining

3032
02:27:11.325 --> 02:27:12.965
because their yards are getting wrecked.

3033
02:27:12.965 --> 02:27:16.485
They're, they're having issues with it.

3034
02:27:17.225 --> 02:27:20.805
And I don't know whether it's a bad design from the day it

3035
02:27:20.805 --> 02:27:21.925
was originally built

3036
02:27:22.945 --> 02:27:25.205
or whether there are issues with a storm drain,

3037
02:27:25.945 --> 02:27:27.885
but we really need it.

3038
02:27:27.915 --> 02:27:28.965
It's a serious issue.

3039
02:27:29.145 --> 02:27:31.885
The residents are very angry and very upset.

3040
02:27:32.665 --> 02:27:36.405
And we need to have this looked into, uh,

3041
02:27:37.225 --> 02:27:40.205
beyond just maybe the storm drains

3042
02:27:40.505 --> 02:27:42.765
and maybe into the overall design.

3043
02:27:43.295 --> 02:27:45.965
Maybe there need to be French drains

3044
02:27:46.075 --> 02:27:48.245
that should have been put in, uh,

3045
02:27:48.425 --> 02:27:50.685
to those yards when the homes were built.

3046
02:27:52.335 --> 02:27:56.155
And they are talking about other avenues,

3047
02:27:56.895 --> 02:27:58.035
um, to pursue.

3048
02:27:58.695 --> 02:28:02.995
But we need to, as a board, we need to have a, um,

3049
02:28:03.565 --> 02:28:07.035
staff take a very close look to the overall issue

3050
02:28:07.255 --> 02:28:10.435
of Arlington Loop Legacy Brookhaven

3051
02:28:11.175 --> 02:28:14.035
and Park Glen, that that whole

3052
02:28:14.545 --> 02:28:16.315
combination are issues.

3053
02:28:17.375 --> 02:28:20.115
And I've been up there numerous times, um,

3054
02:28:20.665 --> 02:28:22.805
back when the original storm drain was blocked.

3055
02:28:23.625 --> 02:28:26.725
And, uh, it appears that it has not resolved.

3056
02:28:28.065 --> 02:28:32.525
We got a, a statement from, uh,

3057
02:28:32.585 --> 02:28:36.465
an email from district, um,

3058
02:28:37.385 --> 02:28:39.705
property management saying that

3059
02:28:41.605 --> 02:28:44.625
if the ponds are at high level,

3060
02:28:45.705 --> 02:28:48.355
they cannot receive the water as fast

3061
02:28:49.735 --> 02:28:51.675
as you would hope that they would.

3062
02:28:52.695 --> 02:28:57.595
And that the streets, it's better for the water

3063
02:28:57.735 --> 02:29:00.955
to collect in the streets than it is to flood the homes out.

3064
02:29:01.855 --> 02:29:03.195
That's a true statement.

3065
02:29:04.175 --> 02:29:06.275
But the golf courses are supposed

3066
02:29:06.275 --> 02:29:07.635
to be water retention areas,

3067
02:29:07.975 --> 02:29:12.485
and they're supposed to be capable of handling a hurricane

3068
02:29:12.545 --> 02:29:15.525
or any other type of flood potential issues.

3069
02:29:16.505 --> 02:29:20.365
And over the years, I have witnessed Legacy Lane have two

3070
02:29:20.385 --> 02:29:23.365
or three feet of water when we've had heavy rains.

3071
02:29:24.425 --> 02:29:28.565
And, uh, so something, it, it's not just a recent issue,

3072
02:29:28.565 --> 02:29:30.605
it's been a long occurring issue

3073
02:29:30.865 --> 02:29:33.205
and it's time for us to take a,

3074
02:29:33.635 --> 02:29:35.765
have staff take a better look at it

3075
02:29:35.765 --> 02:29:37.365
and to see what else we can do.

3076
02:29:37.835 --> 02:29:40.845
Whether that means laying more storm drains down,

3077
02:29:41.555 --> 02:29:45.685
whether it means making the pond bigger at, you know,

3078
02:29:45.685 --> 02:29:48.045
behind Amber, uh, behind the Chatham.

3079
02:29:48.165 --> 02:29:49.725
I don't know. I'm not an engineer.

3080
02:29:50.025 --> 02:29:52.285
I'm just calling your attention to these issues

3081
02:29:52.865 --> 02:29:54.285
and they need to be addressed.

3082
02:29:57.915 --> 02:29:59.805
Well, it's something we can discuss.

3083
02:30:00.005 --> 02:30:03.005
I also got a phone call, two phone calls from residents

3084
02:30:03.315 --> 02:30:06.805
that lived there before the storm that was worried.

3085
02:30:06.825 --> 02:30:08.405
And then what they were worried about

3086
02:30:08.425 --> 02:30:09.605
is exactly what happened.

3087
02:30:09.985 --> 02:30:11.965
Yes. Okay. And this isn't the first time

3088
02:30:13.315 --> 02:30:15.045
they had the same issue last year.

3089
02:30:15.545 --> 02:30:20.405
And in Irma, Arlington, Arlington flooded big time. Okay.

3090
02:30:20.665 --> 02:30:23.045
So this has been going on for a long time.

3091
02:30:23.925 --> 02:30:25.765
I, I don't know what the answer is.

3092
02:30:26.345 --> 02:30:28.565
Uh, we can't, we can't as a

3093
02:30:29.445 --> 02:30:33.005
district board spend money on private property putting in,

3094
02:30:33.395 --> 02:30:36.405
putting in, uh, French drains and stuff.

3095
02:30:36.905 --> 02:30:39.285
But I think staff,

3096
02:30:40.565 --> 02:30:42.325
district property manager really needs,

3097
02:30:42.455 --> 02:30:43.685
needs to take a look at.

3098
02:30:43.685 --> 02:30:48.165
And we supposedly have now all of the infrastructure logged

3099
02:30:48.305 --> 02:30:52.445
and, and so I I maybe, maybe they need to do some more

3100
02:30:53.555 --> 02:30:55.885
deep diving with cameras and see what's happening.

3101
02:30:56.125 --> 02:30:58.245
'cause I'm not sure some of them pipes still aren't plugged

3102
02:30:58.305 --> 02:30:59.885
to some portion to tell you the truth.

3103
02:30:59.945 --> 02:31:02.165
And it's not taking, taking the water.

3104
02:31:02.505 --> 02:31:04.445
But I agree with you, there's a definite issue there.

3105
02:31:04.985 --> 02:31:07.765
And the last time it got flooded

3106
02:31:07.945 --> 02:31:10.685
and I was there, there was water two feet,

3107
02:31:10.875 --> 02:31:13.485
less than two feet from some of the people's garages.

3108
02:31:13.485 --> 02:31:15.725
Yeah. It was almost going to get into their houses

3109
02:31:16.505 --> 02:31:18.605
and it was a disaster.

3110
02:31:19.075 --> 02:31:23.445
Okay. It really was. I had many conversations the last time

3111
02:31:23.635 --> 02:31:24.645
with Mike

3112
02:31:24.665 --> 02:31:27.485
and district property manager to try to get it rectified.

3113
02:31:29.605 --> 02:31:31.925
I sometimes wonder about some of the contractors

3114
02:31:31.995 --> 02:31:33.285
that we have doing work for.

3115
02:31:33.555 --> 02:31:35.285
Okay. That that's another issue.

3116
02:31:35.285 --> 02:31:38.325
But can, can we direct the staff

3117
02:31:39.065 --> 02:31:40.325
to look into this

3118
02:31:40.585 --> 02:31:43.805
and report back to us at the November meeting?

3119
02:31:44.075 --> 02:31:45.085
Yeah. Mike's not here.

3120
02:31:45.275 --> 02:31:46.485
Make sure this is on the agenda

3121
02:31:46.575 --> 02:31:47.805
under whole business or something.

3122
02:31:47.805 --> 02:31:50.245
Yeah. No, Mike's Mike's not here and Bruce left.

3123
02:31:50.305 --> 02:31:52.405
But I think that Kerry can communicate with them

3124
02:31:52.465 --> 02:31:55.365
and we need, we need someone to do a deep dive into this.

3125
02:31:56.235 --> 02:31:57.405
That issue goes away

3126
02:31:57.425 --> 02:31:59.205
and these people don't have to worry about it.

3127
02:31:59.345 --> 02:32:01.925
Yes, sir. I agree with you a hundred percent. Okay.

3128
02:32:01.985 --> 02:32:04.885
It, it will be on November agenda and either Mr. Brown

3129
02:32:04.905 --> 02:32:06.485
or Harris will provide a Okay.

3130
02:32:06.505 --> 02:32:07.885
An update on each one of those areas.

3131
02:32:08.235 --> 02:32:11.645
Okay. Um, thank you. You're welcome. Um, okay.

3132
02:32:12.225 --> 02:32:15.205
No more business. Can you get a motion to adjourn? Who?

3133
02:32:15.585 --> 02:32:19.405
Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed?

3134
02:32:20.185 --> 02:32:22.165
We adjourned. Thank you guys.