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I called the Order District seven board meeting

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four, July 17th.

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Uh, let me see. Wow. Missed you last month.

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You guys changed the meeting?

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Did they? Got some there, don't they? Thanks. Thanks.

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Thanks for coming. I, I appreciate it. Uh, let's do it.

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Uh, pledge allegiance,

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and then we'll have a moment

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of silence right at the P of ance.

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Please, please stand. I pledge.

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Allegiance is flag of the United States of America.

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And do the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible.

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Justice for all.

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Please be seated.

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I just noticed that, uh, I'll just do a, a roll call.

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I see, uh, present.

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I see you. I love him.

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Uh, Joan, Joan Ann is, uh, not here, obviously.

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So there's four of us. Uh, we got a quantum,

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so we'll have our meeting.

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Uh, let's move on to, um, moment of science.

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We did lists, uh, meetings.

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I appreciate everybody coming, which there isn't many.

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Anybody in the audience has anything

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that's not on the agenda?

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Any subject item, how you feel? Please come up,

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Show and tell.

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Show and tell.

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Leno, Arizona 1634 Marigold Lane.

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And I just wanted to give you a quick update on

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the postal office.

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And this was the package I picked up. Yes.

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Yesterday, the day

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before I went to go to the mailbox,

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the mail carrier was still in the back room, but not ours.

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And the package was already gone.

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And, um, when I went to the post office,

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there were four other people with tickets in line.

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And now the post office is requiring that,

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that you show your driver's license,

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which stops people from sending,

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like if your neighbor can't drive.

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So I just wanted to let you know,

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and then I'm aware that there's a new postmaster

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and perhaps the new postmaster could go back

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to allowing the mail carriers

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to at least leave the packages there if people say,

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leave them, you know, in the building.

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Because like I said, I,

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I must have just missed my mail carrier by about 10 minutes.

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But she had already taken the package back,

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so I just wanted to give you an update.

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I know things are moving, but

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No, you know, I, you know, this, this is like,

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this like a soap opera.

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Just don't go away, you know?

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Uh, it's going off for like six, seven months.

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And honestly, once again, we repeat ourselves.

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I do not have that problem in Hemingway. I do.

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My wife gets a lot of stuff.

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I mean, she spends money, but, holy Christ.

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But the bottom line is we don't have that problem.

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And I get, I bet you every two days I get something with it.

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And never, once ever, in the six,

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17 years I've been in the building, had to go out

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of our Hemingway mailbox.

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Never. I never, I don't understand it.

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I just don't understand it now.

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Well, we're in Duval and we're a little bit

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Yeah, well, on, obviously we went.

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We, I I don't think the, we got anything back, uh,

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from did we ever get anything back from the post office

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saying that this is gonna be resolved?

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Did they look into It's gone on for at least six,

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seven months, maybe longer?

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No. And that's why the congressional inquiry was opened,

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and they did respond to the initial congressional inquiry,

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but they claimed an exemption.

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Um, so that original inquiry has been escalated.

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Um, and I did speak to the representative, um,

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from Congressman Webster's office,

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and I shared this, um, with Ms.

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Donna, that they are still encouraging individuals to submit

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because volume brings attention to those items.

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Um, but there is a new postmaster.

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Um, I do have the contact information for her,

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and I do intend on reaching out to, um,

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relay the original information that was not responded

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to from the previous postmaster.

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Um, so I'm gonna go backwards a little bit,

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but the congressional inquiry is still open, unfortunately.

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That's not a quick process.

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Yeah. But treat me,

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and my concern said this, I may have said this eight,

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10 times every time the subject comes up.

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And thank you for being, you know, so aggressive on this.

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But why is it only seems like, I know it happens,

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some happens to other post office, other, uh, villages, uh,

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but it doesn't happen in Hemingway.

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So that tells me that it's not the problem

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with what's going on.

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It's the problem with the people working there. Okay.

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Obviously the people in charge

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of Duval, am I correct, Duval?

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Mm-hmm. Um, are taking their job a little more serious than

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they should or making up new rules?

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Because why isn't it consistent?

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Why isn't, is it done anywhere else?

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And after a damn year between me

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and you, I honestly,

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the post master must not be doing this job.

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'cause I remember the guys that were gonna look into it,

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and we, you know, this going on for a long time

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that I never once.

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And literally every,

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every other day my wife gets something to look.

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Sometimes they bring it to the house still in Hemingway.

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These people, you gotta go, you gotta go.

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Uh, there's something wrong and they can't look into it.

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I'll be, honestly, somebody's not doing their job.

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The, the issue comes, a lot of people get their medication

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via the mail where it's, you know, more important that,

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you know, that they, you know, expose, you know,

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over a weekend, you can't get there.

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And so, you know, those are the people

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that I really have tried to pressure into submitting,

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you know, um, an online request to the Congressmen.

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So I'll continue to do that.

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But, um, it was just amazing, especially, you know,

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that I was still there.

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You know, they were still there and I couldn't pick up my

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package 'cause it was already gone.

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And, you know, we used to have that thing where we,

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if we signed off, they would keep the packages there,

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which was at least a stopgap.

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But, um, but that didn't too.

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So it's getting worse instead of better.

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So let me keep complaining.

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Maybe one day you have to go to, uh, Ocala

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to pick up the other mail.

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I'm being sarcastic. 'cause

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how long is this going on? Honestly, over,

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It'll be a year in August. Oh yeah.

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What the hell? Yeah. Now, are these packages, any

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of 'em being marked as having been delivered,

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Been delivered? No,

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it's, this one says seven four. Um,

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No, I mean, email notification saying it's been delivered.

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Um, not that I have seen, or not that anybody has

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Was I had a problem myself with it.

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And, uh, basically it's a falsification of

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government documents saying that that has been delivered.

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And what I did was I said to hell with local people

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and just filed a complaint up in DC

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and it got resolved very quickly.

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I remember early on that, you know, I looked into that

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and I couldn't find anything where I had

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or someone had a delivered slip.

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So it up to what

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that definition being delivered.

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I hear you saying, because delivery could be to the post

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of the, the main post office

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and not, not our post office. You know,

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I think it's to our post office. Yeah,

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Yeah. I know, but I know

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you just,

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Just kind of a, a screwy question to throw out there,

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would this have anything to do with the American

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with Disabilities Act where they're forcing, uh,

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senior citizens maybe with disabilities of having to

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go beyond where they would normally pick up their mail

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and forcing them to make a trip?

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You know,

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You know where you saying Good point.

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I'm where some, where some of 'em can't drive

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or whatever the case is.

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Another nice angle. Yeah. Yeah. I love that.

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I'm unsure of that. I can add that

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to the congressional inquiry.

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But again, the, on the federal side, unfortunately,

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these tend not to move extremely quickly

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because they, they're waiting on the response from the

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federal agencies into the inquiry.

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I can certainly add that to it.

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Um, I don't know that it would extend so far as, as long

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as the location for pickup is accessible, you know,

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that the facility itself is accessible for pickup.

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Um, but again, I'm going to reach out to the new postmaster

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that just came to my attention within this last week, um,

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and see if there's any opportunity to open dialogue up

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with them, because it is a different postmaster from

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who we originally dealt with,

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Brenda, since, since we've

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been reaching out, it got worse.

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I mean, that's, I mean, common sense.

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I'm not the brides guy in the world, but between me

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and you, these people are not doing a great job.

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How can we complain for a year? And it got worse.

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They had a procedure where Alicia signed your name

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and they held your package as you were telling me.

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They even did away, away with that.

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So let's keep complaining. Maybe

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she won't get a mail at all.

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I mean, I told thank you. You were walking inundated.

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Uh, they're gonna stop delivering mail completely. Yeah.

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I mean, we're going backwards. So every time we complain

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she's like, we're going backwards.

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Um, And No, I like the idea.

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You, you, you, you, you, uh,

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obviously made a complaint to Washington.

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Mm-hmm. No kidding.

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Just one thing and I'll move on.

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If for any reason I would, um, be a help if you met, met

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with the supervisor, I'd be happy to, you know, come

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with you so that she can hear firsthand Yeah.

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The offer. No, thank you.

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And I, I'll keep in touch Okay. With that.

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Yeah. Thank you.

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God bless you for working so hard on this. Really unreal.

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Brittany, when you say there's a new postmaster you're

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talking about at the Lady Lake post office,

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Right? Yes. At the, at

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the local, at the Lady Lake post office.

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There is a new postmaster.

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Are they government or a contractor?

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I would have to assume that they are employed by the USPS

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as the last one was, but that's outside

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of our scope. Really?

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's amazing

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how more we complain the worse it gets.

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Yeah. We're doing a good job. Let's move on.

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And nobody else in the audience got anything? Nothing.

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Okay, let's move on. Thanks. Okay. Um, we have an agenda.

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Law enforcement obviously is, uh, he's not here, so

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They are not, so we'll communicate with them

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and we'll add that to next month.

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Okay. Beautiful. Uh, consent agenda.

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A motion to approve the consent agenda is a motion

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to approve all recomme recommendation and actions.

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All matters on the consent agenda are considered routine

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and no discussion is required

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unless desired by board supervisors

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or pub, uh, members of the public.

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Uh, on it, we have approval of minutes.

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Um, and, uh, project wide,

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let's do each one, uh, separately.

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Approve. No, we can do 'em together, right? All agenda?

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Yes. The consent is one Motion. E. Exactly. Okay.

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So we got, uh, approve a minutes project wide monthly

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invoice and termination of agreement.

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It ITB 24.

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B oh 24 for cut patch asphalt repair service

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with Tristate Asphalt Corporation.

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Do I have a, uh, motion move to approve?

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And second, I'll second. Any, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Any disapprove? Opposed? Okay, thank you.

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New business, we have legal fees.

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Um, let's, let's do the legal fees first. Okay.

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Um, I have, uh, legal fees for, uh, the month last month.

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Lemme see what month it was.

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It was for May, and the legal fees were, hold on,

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lemme give a total $3,568.

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I noticed a lot of that was

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because of the, uh, the, uh, solar, obviously there's a lot

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of discussion on the solar.

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Obviously, once we, uh, get that resolved, uh,

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legal fees hopefully will go down.

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It, it's, it's at least about half our bill.

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So, um, any, uh, any questions on that? On a legal fee?

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Okay. Move to approve. Do I get a second? Second. Second.

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All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Yes. Thank you.

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Okay, let's do, uh, next one is mental, uh,

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metal roof and courtyard.

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Villa roofs. Yes. Show and tell.

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Mr. Armstrong will make that show and tell,

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Not a show and tell You either

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got promoted or they fired you.

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What happened? Could be one of the, you got the box.

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You got a box. You ready to go?

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It's my moving inbox. So, good morning Board,

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Matt Armstrong Community standards.

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So In community standards, we've come to a point

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where materials for architectural reasons for homes,

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um, are becoming discontinued specifically in roofing.

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So we're finding out that, for example, uh, haw Sheik

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and Desert Tan, by their respective manufacturer,

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they've discontinued those color selections

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and a lot of the villages have homes

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with those colors on it.

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And your architectural review manuals, it states

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that you must use the original color at the time of

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construction or something that closely resembles that color.

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Well, on the Architectural Review Committee,

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that's caused somewhat of a bit of a tension

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because they're so bent on, it has to be the one

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that original construction.

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And did you go out and find this manufacturer?

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Did you go out and find this roof supplier

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or, um, roofing company that may have just have a stock pile

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of inventory in their warehouse

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that didn't come from the manufacturer,

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but they just bought surplus?

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Did you contact every roofing company in Florida

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that they may have it?

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And so it's putting a lot of burden on the homeowner to try

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and match a color that no longer is being manufactured.

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And also, I don't think a lot

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of folks wanna put on a discontinued color,

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even if it is sitting in a roofer company's

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raining, um, warehouse.

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Because in three years, if you have a hurricane

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and loose shingles, where are you gonna find

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replacement shingles for those colors?

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You're probably not. 'cause it's been discontinued.

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So what we want to do is bring back language

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for your architectural review manual that's gonna kind

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of relieve some of that issue that we're seeing where

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we're not gonna be asking for the exact original color.

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Because again, even a color,

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they're gonna say it's Han Shake.

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Well, with a different manufacturer, it may be Desert Brown,

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they may use a different name altogether,

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but it matches somewhat in color.

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So what we want to do is bring back language

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for your arc manual that says you can use, uh, something

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that, like a color that matches as close as possible

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or within the hue range of that color.

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So if it's like a brown

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and you have a little bit of a lighter

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brown, that's gonna be okay.

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Or if it's a little bit of a darker brown, it's okay.

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It, it's for the aesthetics of the community.

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And what we've found also in reviewing your deed

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restrictions is that the de restrictions don't state

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that you have to have a color.

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It doesn't say it has to be the one at the time

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of original color.

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So in homes you don't have that stipulation.

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In patio villages you don't have that stipulation.

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But in Courtyard vs you do, it's strictly

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for aesthetic purposes when the comm, when

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that villa was originally constructed,

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but the deed restrictions don't state it has

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to be the same color time of original construction.

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So that's what we're kind of working with,

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with interpreting your restrictions.

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Understand that someone maybe bought a home in a,

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in a courtyard villa

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because they liked all the roofs matched

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and it kind of was aesthetically pleasing

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and they liked that look and appeal

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and that's why they moved in.

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So we're trying to cater to the people

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that moved in for that purpose.

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The changing of the times where the

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color's no longer available.

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And also kind of work within your d

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restrictions at the same time.

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And we'll work with your legal counsel to make sure

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that the language is appropriate.

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And we actually have some sample pictures that I wanted

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to show you of currently of what we're dealing with within

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some of these villa units.

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So this is the Bonita Villas.

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And as soon as it loads, we're gonna see a kind of like a,

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a beginning picture satellite image

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and then where we're at within the past two years, uh,

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with these color selections.

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And while that's loading, I can always,

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okay, so, um, again, this is a satellite image.

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So again, there may be cloud cover, there may be, um,

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an older picture,

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but you can, you can see that the colors

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where this was taken, this is about a 2019 satellite image.

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They're all relatively the same.

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If you scroll down, you see how it looks today.

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There's, there's a patchwork

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of different colors already existing,

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but it's somewhat within a color scheme

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that's relatively close to each other.

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There are some outliers in there,

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but this is what we're kind of running into right now

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where folks are trying to match as best as possible.

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'cause original colors are no longer available.

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If you go to the next one,

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which is the Grove Villas, same, same concept.

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You can see where it's kind of a darker gray

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amongst all of them.

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If you scroll down, you now have variations

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of gray throughout the community.

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So it's already happening

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and we're just trying to get it into where, as an example,

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right now as it's written, if someone called in

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can go back, if someone called in those lighter gray homes,

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we may have a violation issue that we'd have to address

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with someone who just put a roof on.

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And that's what a 12, $15,000 job we,

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and we were actually dealing with

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that in another district right now.

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And so that's what we're trying to get ahead of and,

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and not have those types of issues.

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The other component is metal roofs.

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Your architectural review manual already states

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that you're allowed to have metal roofs,

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but that's just very broad

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because we're now having more metal roofing companies pop up

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with different designs and styles and what things look like.

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And so, um, we're gonna try to define the types

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of metal roofs that we want to look at aesthetically

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for our community and districts one through four,

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their deed restrictions specifically state it must be a

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shingle or tile look.

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And your deed restrictions,

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it just says you need architectural approval.

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It doesn't give a style or design that j roof has to be.

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So we want to, so if someone doesn't go out there

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and get a wood panel looking metal roof,

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'cause they like that, that island look all

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of a sudden popping up through the community.

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So what we wanna do is add language where, um,

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you already see these types of roofs.

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So this is a stand in seam example that we have here.

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What a stand in seam roof would look like.

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Um, I do not have a sample of that with me

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'cause that'd be a very large piece

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of sample to try to deal with.

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And then in my box here,

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These are metal shingles

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and this is what a metal shingle would look like.

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And so it gives a shingle like appearance.

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So within the community where you have shingle roofs,

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this is an asphalt shingle, but it is metal.

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So these are the types of things that we would like

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to introduce as opportunities

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because the insurance companies are,

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have changed kind of what they're doing.

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And there's a more of a demand that we're recognizing

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for folks are questioning metal roofs.

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And according to your deed restrictions,

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they're not prohibited.

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It just says you need arc approval

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for any changes to your property.

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And we already allow metal roofs within,

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we just wanna define it for your art committee members

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because they've requested further guidance on what to look

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for and what they should be approving on within your

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districts from, from what you've seen, do they have the same

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array of colors that you would find in an

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as asphalt shingles that they're seeing in,

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are you gonna have, excuse me, a problem getting within

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that hue variance?

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We will not have issues within the hue variances.

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The, the colors themselves, for example,

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this one is called Old Hickory.

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It has like a brown color to it.

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So we have that with, with match.

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This one is the natural slate.

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It has that gray, there's a,

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there's a darker black one in here.

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There's actually, um, there's a green one.

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I did not get the green sample.

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'cause I don't think we have any green roots

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to my knowledge, uh, within some of these communities.

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So, um, but I

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and my research, no, I did not see

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where we would have an issue within hue range variations.

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And this would actually match.

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There aren't as many color selections in the

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metal roofs right now.

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Um, they do have a tile look for like the terracotta

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that would be more for like your district one who had

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that Spanish theme, things like that.

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So they're able to match those types of things.

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Okay. Question for you Matt.

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Uh, do we have any idea

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how the insurance companies are going

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to interpret metal versus the asphalt as,

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you know what I'm trying to say?

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Um,

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I mean, replace a cement Say Right.

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Replace at 15 years. Yeah,

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I, we, we do not know

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how the insurance company will treat a metal roof versus a

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a, an asphalt shingle roof.

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And it comes to replacement

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requirements. We, I, I don't know.

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And also, uh, do you need to have, uh,

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lightning rods on the top with the metal

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That, uh, I do not know if you need lightning rods.

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Uh, you, you're more than welcome to install lightning rods

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that does not require architectural approval. No,

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I understand. I just don't know if metal

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roofs, if they attract lightning.

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I mean, you know, big metal roof should have a nice

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attraction for a lightning.

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So I, I don't know. I just don't know the rules on it.

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I know I did. Good point. When I did my roof,

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I did check into, uh, metal versus asphalt just for the,

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and the metal ones were like twice expensive.

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Correct. Um,

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and I, so anyway, I'm just curious to, yeah,

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it seems like metal will be a good way to go, but maybe not.

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I don't know. The scientific, um, study

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that's been done on whether or not metal

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roofs attract lightning. Alright,

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Good enough. Yeah. Yeah.

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You, a couple couple questions on

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you didn't metal roofs and caught yard bills

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and patio villages a little different.

511
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Uh, you wanna allow metal roofs on courtyard villages,

512
00:22:07.475 --> 00:22:08.475
Correct?

513
00:22:08.545 --> 00:22:11.605
Yes. Okay. On on shingles.

514
00:22:12.155 --> 00:22:14.285
Asal shingles, you could get the same color.

515
00:22:14.765 --> 00:22:16.365
'cause this is a problem that's going on for years.

516
00:22:16.705 --> 00:22:17.805
You get the same color

517
00:22:18.345 --> 00:22:19.685
and it could be a different lot number

518
00:22:19.825 --> 00:22:20.845
and it'll be a different color.

519
00:22:21.435 --> 00:22:24.245
Okay. So technically metal rules won't have that problem

520
00:22:24.805 --> 00:22:27.485
'cause it's easy to match paint, then you can match paint,

521
00:22:27.495 --> 00:22:29.245
it'll make fade, but you can match.

522
00:22:29.245 --> 00:22:31.605
But with, with, with, um, asphalt,

523
00:22:33.025 --> 00:22:34.685
you're gonna have this problem no matter what you do

524
00:22:34.685 --> 00:22:37.725
because next you get the same color

525
00:22:38.265 --> 00:22:41.805
and then the, you get the next, you get a lot of, uh, shera

526
00:22:41.805 --> 00:22:45.565
of, um, asphalt roof and you order it the next day

527
00:22:46.105 --> 00:22:47.165
and you got a different lot.

528
00:22:47.465 --> 00:22:48.405
It could be the same color

529
00:22:48.435 --> 00:22:49.645
when you get, it's a different color.

530
00:22:50.115 --> 00:22:52.125
Okay. Now you, you're aware of that obviously. Mm-hmm.

531
00:22:52.205 --> 00:22:54.005
So what that's gonna happen, well, my point is,

532
00:22:54.005 --> 00:22:55.565
you're gonna have this problem no matter what.

533
00:22:55.835 --> 00:22:57.405
It's a continuous problem.

534
00:22:57.545 --> 00:23:00.285
So somehow you're gonna have to make the wording

535
00:23:00.665 --> 00:23:03.285
and the language to combat that problem.

536
00:23:03.505 --> 00:23:04.505
And that's what we want to do.

537
00:23:04.635 --> 00:23:08.085
Yeah. Uh, but so don't be, don't be misconstrued

538
00:23:08.085 --> 00:23:10.645
that if you get the same color, it's gonna match.

539
00:23:11.435 --> 00:23:13.965
It's the lot number that matches the color

540
00:23:14.545 --> 00:23:17.645
on just not on metal when it comes to the asphalt.

541
00:23:18.145 --> 00:23:19.205
You just, and so

542
00:23:19.205 --> 00:23:21.365
that's why our wording has gotta be specific

543
00:23:21.915 --> 00:23:22.965
that it doesn't do that.

544
00:23:24.025 --> 00:23:26.285
And that would, uh, this would allow that hue range,

545
00:23:26.415 --> 00:23:28.405
which is what the a RC is looking for.

546
00:23:28.405 --> 00:23:31.765
Yeah. Because right now the challenge is if they cannot do

547
00:23:31.865 --> 00:23:34.765
an exact match, they're hesitant to approve it.

548
00:23:35.225 --> 00:23:38.285
And we don't want to be in the position of restricting

549
00:23:39.475 --> 00:23:41.435
progress, especially when it comes to roofing

550
00:23:41.435 --> 00:23:42.795
and insurance and everything else.

551
00:23:43.095 --> 00:23:45.965
And Correct. How to allow them to move forward.

552
00:23:46.145 --> 00:23:50.125
And so they're looking for this guidance in the a RC manual

553
00:23:50.425 --> 00:23:52.085
as their rule book to say

554
00:23:52.595 --> 00:23:55.165
this is an acceptable hue range. Yeah.

555
00:23:55.345 --> 00:23:57.165
You combat that. You got the U range,

556
00:23:57.265 --> 00:23:58.605
you're gonna have to make it broader.

557
00:23:58.665 --> 00:24:00.205
The language is gonna gonna have, you're gonna have

558
00:24:00.205 --> 00:24:03.805
to allow different, uh, colors within that color.

559
00:24:04.325 --> 00:24:05.965
'cause it's going to, it's gonna change anyway.

560
00:24:06.465 --> 00:24:08.365
You know, like, like I get,

561
00:24:08.485 --> 00:24:09.685
I get one, let's say I get brown.

562
00:24:09.705 --> 00:24:11.045
The next door neighbor gets brown.

563
00:24:11.195 --> 00:24:12.685
It's gonna be a different shade of brown,

564
00:24:12.835 --> 00:24:15.765
even if it's the same number, the same, uh, color.

565
00:24:15.765 --> 00:24:17.245
Mm-hmm. It's gonna, when it comes

566
00:24:17.245 --> 00:24:18.765
to asphalt, it, it changes.

567
00:24:19.505 --> 00:24:20.965
Uh, this is the problem for years.

568
00:24:21.025 --> 00:24:22.565
And there are houses as you know,

569
00:24:22.565 --> 00:24:24.765
and you're right, it's almost triple the price for metal.

570
00:24:25.105 --> 00:24:28.885
And district five and maybe even district six has, um,

571
00:24:29.565 --> 00:24:31.525
designer homes with metal roofs.

572
00:24:31.795 --> 00:24:33.245
They had to actually, they were

573
00:24:33.245 --> 00:24:34.325
built with metal, as you're aware.

574
00:24:34.325 --> 00:24:36.605
Mm-hmm. Uh, but it's very expensive.

575
00:24:36.605 --> 00:24:40.245
But that was a good point about the, uh, being, uh,

576
00:24:40.425 --> 00:24:43.045
you know, the shot, the electricity. Yeah. Yeah.

577
00:24:43.245 --> 00:24:45.445
I got actually, uh, the material

578
00:24:45.825 --> 00:24:47.565
of your roof has no bearing on the

579
00:24:47.565 --> 00:24:49.125
likelihood of lightning strike.

580
00:24:49.315 --> 00:24:51.645
Okay. What matters? More factors like the building

581
00:24:51.705 --> 00:24:53.045
height than its surroundings.

582
00:24:53.235 --> 00:24:54.845
Okay. So it doesn't matter if it's metal or not.

583
00:24:54.845 --> 00:24:58.565
Doesn't matter. That's good. Who says ai? You read it.

584
00:24:58.565 --> 00:24:59.925
It doesn't make logical ai.

585
00:25:01.035 --> 00:25:03.725
I'll say I, I, I grew up in Jamaica for three years

586
00:25:03.725 --> 00:25:04.805
and they were all metal roofs.

587
00:25:04.805 --> 00:25:06.125
And I don't recall lightning having

588
00:25:06.125 --> 00:25:07.325
to worry about lightning strikes

589
00:25:07.325 --> 00:25:08.365
when, when we were living there.

590
00:25:08.605 --> 00:25:12.205
Actually, metal's a good conductor of electricity versus,

591
00:25:12.865 --> 00:25:14.565
and it's not gonna catch on fire. Yeah.

592
00:25:14.865 --> 00:25:16.725
The only thing I would add, good conductor,

593
00:25:16.725 --> 00:25:18.005
the roof doesn't catch that fire,

594
00:25:18.025 --> 00:25:21.045
but they'll inside your house does because it, electricity.

595
00:25:21.585 --> 00:25:22.805
And In the weak spot,

596
00:25:23.405 --> 00:25:25.605
Residents do have to get a permit to do a roof

597
00:25:25.705 --> 00:25:27.405
and the permit are inspected.

598
00:25:27.425 --> 00:25:30.245
So if there's any type of regulation that's gonna be part

599
00:25:30.245 --> 00:25:31.845
of the permitting and inspection process

600
00:25:31.985 --> 00:25:33.045
on Correct. What's required?

601
00:25:33.975 --> 00:25:37.845
Metal roof, Florida sun. Oh.

602
00:25:37.985 --> 00:25:39.165
Why should that concern me?

603
00:25:40.025 --> 00:25:41.885
Aren't those attics gonna get rather hot?

604
00:25:43.765 --> 00:25:45.525
I believe you're talking about installation.

605
00:25:45.525 --> 00:25:47.445
They have probably underlayments that they work

606
00:25:47.445 --> 00:25:49.125
with when it comes to helping with that.

607
00:25:49.775 --> 00:25:51.845
Again, that would be more on the in install side,

608
00:25:52.705 --> 00:25:54.205
But if you price them, it's a range.

609
00:25:54.205 --> 00:25:55.325
Outrageous. Are you

610
00:25:55.325 --> 00:25:56.325
Getting a lot of requests?

611
00:25:57.305 --> 00:25:58.645
Yes. We are getting more

612
00:25:58.645 --> 00:26:00.125
and more requests from metal roofs. Yes. No

613
00:26:00.125 --> 00:26:01.125
Kidding. Wow.

614
00:26:01.125 --> 00:26:02.525
Because they lasts longer.

615
00:26:02.915 --> 00:26:06.045
They obviously, I think the life of a metal roof could be,

616
00:26:06.045 --> 00:26:08.045
uh, 40, 50 years. Am I correct? Mm-hmm.

617
00:26:08.345 --> 00:26:09.965
If the resident's going to live that long.

618
00:26:09.995 --> 00:26:12.085
Yeah. But they don't think that everybody thinks they're,

619
00:26:13.145 --> 00:26:15.125
You know, the Other thing too is if you have a roof

620
00:26:15.125 --> 00:26:17.365
and you got some tree cover, are the metal ones,

621
00:26:17.365 --> 00:26:19.565
I don't think are gonna have mold build up on 'em.

622
00:26:19.565 --> 00:26:22.725
Like you can get on the asphalt ones if, you know,

623
00:26:22.725 --> 00:26:24.725
depending on how the shading is and that stuff.

624
00:26:24.745 --> 00:26:27.365
So it'd be really easy to clean a metal roof.

625
00:26:27.445 --> 00:26:29.605
I would think it just power wash it off. Yeah.

626
00:26:29.665 --> 00:26:31.765
But when it rain, I don't know. I'm not in that distance.

627
00:26:31.915 --> 00:26:34.125
Yeah. When it rains out, you gotta turn your TV up a little

628
00:26:34.125 --> 00:26:35.325
warmer because it's loud as hell.

629
00:26:36.385 --> 00:26:40.365
Or hell, We got noise ordinance.

630
00:26:41.405 --> 00:26:44.205
I was, I was wondering about how noisy it is. I wasn't sure.

631
00:26:44.515 --> 00:26:47.205
Yeah. You never worked in a warehouse going w Well,

632
00:26:47.205 --> 00:26:49.805
I've been inside, like in, when it starts raining

633
00:26:49.825 --> 00:26:51.325
and it it's thunderous in there.

634
00:26:51.515 --> 00:26:54.285
Holy. They got all metal roof. Yeah. I'm sorry.

635
00:26:54.515 --> 00:26:58.765
Basically, I think we need to, uh, approve

636
00:26:58.985 --> 00:27:03.045
or make some sort of motion to approve metal roofs for the,

637
00:27:03.105 --> 00:27:04.525
uh, fellows.

638
00:27:05.715 --> 00:27:08.405
Just, just, if you would like to see language brought back

639
00:27:08.405 --> 00:27:09.445
for your next month's meeting,

640
00:27:09.515 --> 00:27:10.925
just say yes, we'd like to see it.

641
00:27:11.155 --> 00:27:12.325
I'll work with your legal counsel

642
00:27:12.425 --> 00:27:14.325
and then we'll prepare it for something that you would,

643
00:27:14.325 --> 00:27:16.405
would approve or tweak or however you want us to do.

644
00:27:16.665 --> 00:27:19.805
So we got, we need, we we're gonna approve the language on

645
00:27:19.845 --> 00:27:21.685
color and on metal roofs.

646
00:27:21.795 --> 00:27:23.685
Yeah. That's what it'll bring to us. Correct.

647
00:27:24.265 --> 00:27:25.765
All right. We'll bring something back next month.

648
00:27:26.065 --> 00:27:28.165
Aw, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Matt. Thank you.

649
00:27:28.215 --> 00:27:29.445
Great job as always, man.

650
00:27:30.155 --> 00:27:31.805
Yeah. Don't forget your roof. Thank

651
00:27:31.825 --> 00:27:32.825
God for Amazon.

652
00:27:35.475 --> 00:27:39.165
Okay, we got that. Uh oh. It is a big one. The biggie.

653
00:27:39.435 --> 00:27:40.435
It's the biggie.

654
00:27:42.435 --> 00:27:45.685
Good morning board. Melissa Shar purchasing. Uh, yes.

655
00:27:45.715 --> 00:27:48.645
This item bring, uh, provides the board the board

656
00:27:48.675 --> 00:27:50.285
with information regarding the status

657
00:27:50.305 --> 00:27:54.045
of the district seven Solar Street lighting RFP 25 P dash

658
00:27:54.635 --> 00:27:58.925
0 1 9 rebid and seeks, uh, board direction.

659
00:27:59.275 --> 00:28:02.365
Just to give a brief overview, um, at the board's direction,

660
00:28:02.365 --> 00:28:06.845
staff issued, uh, the request for proposal 25 p dash 0 1 9

661
00:28:06.945 --> 00:28:09.765
for Solar Street Lighting in February of 2025.

662
00:28:10.185 --> 00:28:14.005
Uh, at your April 17th meeting, the board approved a motion

663
00:28:14.225 --> 00:28:17.725
for staff to reject all those proposals submitted

664
00:28:17.725 --> 00:28:20.445
to the solicitation in accordance with the district policy

665
00:28:20.705 --> 00:28:23.925
and rules, the RFP provisions and Florida law.

666
00:28:24.185 --> 00:28:27.805
As the two responsive, uh, proponents were,

667
00:28:27.805 --> 00:28:29.045
their scores were too low

668
00:28:29.045 --> 00:28:31.285
and the proposals did not demonstrate the quality of work

669
00:28:31.285 --> 00:28:32.805
that the district was looking for.

670
00:28:33.745 --> 00:28:36.005
Um, ultimately these, for these two reasons,

671
00:28:36.545 --> 00:28:38.965
the board directed staff to revise the scope of work

672
00:28:38.965 --> 00:28:42.325
and rebid the RFP on May, uh, 22nd.

673
00:28:42.455 --> 00:28:47.045
Staff reissued, RFP 25 p dash 0 1 9 rebid

674
00:28:47.105 --> 00:28:48.885
for Solar Street, uh, lighting.

675
00:28:49.255 --> 00:28:50.965
Three vendors submitted proposals

676
00:28:51.145 --> 00:28:55.125
and two vendors were deemed responsive and responsible.

677
00:28:55.505 --> 00:28:58.245
The selection committee met on July 10th to score

678
00:28:58.245 --> 00:28:59.845
and rank the two proponents according

679
00:28:59.845 --> 00:29:01.605
to the criteria in the RFP.

680
00:29:02.675 --> 00:29:04.525
Following the review of this information,

681
00:29:04.575 --> 00:29:06.005
staff put together, uh,

682
00:29:06.005 --> 00:29:07.965
several discussion points for the board today.

683
00:29:08.585 --> 00:29:10.765
Number one, the board may choose

684
00:29:10.765 --> 00:29:14.805
to hold a workshop on July 28th, 2025, uh,

685
00:29:14.945 --> 00:29:17.285
for vendor presentations to further, uh,

686
00:29:17.355 --> 00:29:18.485
discuss this project.

687
00:29:19.045 --> 00:29:20.925
I believe that date has already been scheduled

688
00:29:20.925 --> 00:29:22.125
with the time and location.

689
00:29:22.825 --> 00:29:24.285
Uh, the board may direct.

690
00:29:24.285 --> 00:29:25.845
Number two, the board may direct staff

691
00:29:25.865 --> 00:29:28.165
to include this item on the August, uh,

692
00:29:28.165 --> 00:29:30.245
regular board meeting agenda.

693
00:29:30.545 --> 00:29:31.725
Either in addition to

694
00:29:31.825 --> 00:29:36.205
or in lieu of the July workshop, uh, for formal direction

695
00:29:36.205 --> 00:29:38.525
to proceed with the highest ranked respondent

696
00:29:38.625 --> 00:29:42.405
and authorize legal counsel to negotiate a contract with

697
00:29:42.435 --> 00:29:44.165
that, um, proponent.

698
00:29:45.065 --> 00:29:46.685
Uh, and then a third option would be

699
00:29:46.685 --> 00:29:49.845
for the board may reject all proposals within the district's

700
00:29:49.845 --> 00:29:52.645
procurement rules and policies and Florida law.

701
00:29:52.905 --> 00:29:54.725
If the board determines, uh,

702
00:29:54.745 --> 00:29:57.885
the proposed costs are too high, uh, the,

703
00:29:58.025 --> 00:29:59.485
or if the board determines it is

704
00:29:59.645 --> 00:30:02.285
otherwise in the district's best interest to do so.

705
00:30:02.785 --> 00:30:06.365
For the reasons of not having enough responsive proposals

706
00:30:06.465 --> 00:30:09.125
for a competitive solicitation, uh,

707
00:30:09.545 --> 00:30:13.125
or the scores are so low to indicate the, uh,

708
00:30:13.265 --> 00:30:15.925
ranked proposals do not demonstrate the quality of work

709
00:30:15.925 --> 00:30:17.325
that the district is looking for.

710
00:30:17.825 --> 00:30:20.925
Or for a third option of, um, when an existing,

711
00:30:21.265 --> 00:30:23.445
or we may have an existing arrangement

712
00:30:23.545 --> 00:30:26.165
for a more financially advantageous, um,

713
00:30:26.535 --> 00:30:28.645
route on procuring these services.

714
00:30:29.505 --> 00:30:31.525
If decided to reject all proposals.

715
00:30:31.525 --> 00:30:33.805
The board would then need to decide whether to, uh,

716
00:30:33.975 --> 00:30:36.805
issue another solicitation for work at this time.

717
00:30:36.865 --> 00:30:39.805
And I can go into some more, um, details if we decide

718
00:30:39.805 --> 00:30:41.005
to go that route.

719
00:30:41.995 --> 00:30:46.405
Okay. Melissa, if, if we opt to go

720
00:30:46.405 --> 00:30:50.605
with July 28th, we don't have

721
00:30:50.605 --> 00:30:52.765
to make the decision at that point, we could still

722
00:30:53.435 --> 00:30:57.245
then schedule it for a, a specific

723
00:30:57.755 --> 00:31:01.125
item on our August agenda to either give, you know,

724
00:31:01.185 --> 00:31:03.445
the approval to proceed or not.

725
00:31:03.505 --> 00:31:08.085
Or even maybe then go back and revert to option three or,

726
00:31:08.185 --> 00:31:10.045
or whatever the case is, right? That's

727
00:31:10.045 --> 00:31:11.045
Correct, yes. Yes.

728
00:31:11.045 --> 00:31:13.325
The workshop, there would be no formal,

729
00:31:13.745 --> 00:31:15.325
uh, decision made.

730
00:31:15.325 --> 00:31:18.765
Okay. It would just be for review and discussion purposes

731
00:31:19.145 --> 00:31:21.405
and it would need to come back to a regular board meeting

732
00:31:21.625 --> 00:31:22.965
for formal direction.

733
00:31:23.545 --> 00:31:24.965
My, I guess my take

734
00:31:25.025 --> 00:31:26.365
and I guess, we'll, we will go around,

735
00:31:26.685 --> 00:31:29.405
I would think let's seeing how we do have that,

736
00:31:29.635 --> 00:31:30.925
that meeting scheduled.

737
00:31:31.105 --> 00:31:34.285
And it's gonna require a little bit of homework on our part

738
00:31:34.285 --> 00:31:35.685
to educate ourselves to

739
00:31:36.265 --> 00:31:39.365
ask some intelligent questions upon the presentation.

740
00:31:39.385 --> 00:31:43.005
But I would like to see the, the July 28th mm-hmm.

741
00:31:43.085 --> 00:31:44.165
Meeting go forward.

742
00:31:44.425 --> 00:31:47.765
Let us ask some questions to at least keep this, keep,

743
00:31:47.955 --> 00:31:50.125
keep rolling the boat kind of deal.

744
00:31:50.805 --> 00:31:53.645
'cause I don't wanna, you know, keep pushing this back.

745
00:31:53.665 --> 00:31:58.325
And I think Supervisor Lap has some, uh, one point that

746
00:31:59.135 --> 00:32:01.885
might, you know, be an impetus to keep,

747
00:32:01.995 --> 00:32:03.525
keep going on this thing. Yeah,

748
00:32:04.275 --> 00:32:05.275
Yeah. According to,

749
00:32:05.275 --> 00:32:08.045
uh, information I have,

750
00:32:09.105 --> 00:32:14.085
our new big beautiful bill is going to sunset the, uh,

751
00:32:14.825 --> 00:32:16.445
tax credit for solar

752
00:32:18.265 --> 00:32:22.205
and projects need to be started by June of 26th

753
00:32:22.305 --> 00:32:25.365
and completed by December 31st of 27.

754
00:32:27.955 --> 00:32:30.325
Otherwise, that solar credit will go away

755
00:32:30.385 --> 00:32:32.445
and the price is gonna skyrocket.

756
00:32:33.365 --> 00:32:34.605
I don't know if skyrockets a good

757
00:32:34.605 --> 00:32:36.245
turn, but it's gonna go up. How

758
00:32:36.245 --> 00:32:37.805
Much Is that credit, Steve?

759
00:32:37.805 --> 00:32:39.245
Do you know? I don't know. I

760
00:32:39.245 --> 00:32:40.245
Think it's 20%.

761
00:32:40.345 --> 00:32:42.485
Is it 20%? Yeah, I, I think it is.

762
00:32:42.765 --> 00:32:46.165
'cause I had a a, a solar light put in

763
00:32:46.905 --> 00:32:50.965
and um, they had a little, uh, you could put a fan.

764
00:32:51.065 --> 00:32:52.845
Oh no. A night light. You put a night light in it

765
00:32:52.845 --> 00:32:53.965
if you installed the night light.

766
00:32:54.165 --> 00:32:55.325
'cause the night light was solar.

767
00:32:56.185 --> 00:32:59.725
The whole thing qualified for the solar tax credited 20%.

768
00:33:00.885 --> 00:33:04.925
I don't Did you put it in it, it cost you, it was like, uh,

769
00:33:05.065 --> 00:33:09.285
25 bucks to put in the, the nightlight and,

770
00:33:09.505 --> 00:33:10.965
and I got, you know, the whole thing.

771
00:33:11.205 --> 00:33:14.725
I got like, uh, you know, 80 or $90 tax credit or something.

772
00:33:14.765 --> 00:33:15.805
I don't remember the exact numbers,

773
00:33:15.985 --> 00:33:19.445
but it was well worth it financially to me personally.

774
00:33:19.915 --> 00:33:21.085
When you talking about whole,

775
00:33:21.305 --> 00:33:23.165
and when you talk about the numbers that we're talking about

776
00:33:23.165 --> 00:33:24.645
that that's gonna make a big difference.

777
00:33:24.705 --> 00:33:26.165
Is there a max on the amount?

778
00:33:26.565 --> 00:33:28.205
I wonder there's a couple of, uh, questions.

779
00:33:28.305 --> 00:33:30.125
Is there amount a max on that,

780
00:33:30.745 --> 00:33:32.245
uh, release that you're getting?

781
00:33:32.275 --> 00:33:34.325
Like it could be a it 10,000,

782
00:33:34.665 --> 00:33:37.125
It would be the vendor getting the the Yeah, it,

783
00:33:37.265 --> 00:33:38.645
it would be the vendor getting the

784
00:33:39.465 --> 00:33:40.605
tax credit though. Filing

785
00:33:41.105 --> 00:33:43.405
That's Built into the current bids.

786
00:33:43.475 --> 00:33:45.685
Exactly. We gotta, we gotta make sure it is, you know.

787
00:33:45.865 --> 00:33:47.805
No, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Mr.

788
00:33:48.045 --> 00:33:50.205
Chairman, that's what I'll, I'll work and with Ms.

789
00:33:50.635 --> 00:33:54.805
Meni to review that because we, we are tax exempt. Yeah.

790
00:33:55.065 --> 00:33:58.445
Um, so I don't know that there is, I I just wanna ensure

791
00:33:58.955 --> 00:34:01.845
that there's the expectation of regardless of the timeframe

792
00:34:01.905 --> 00:34:05.165
for it sun setting, um, that the expectation

793
00:34:05.225 --> 00:34:06.885
of would we receive that benefit

794
00:34:06.995 --> 00:34:08.685
because we're already tax exempt.

795
00:34:09.465 --> 00:34:11.125
But that's another good point.

796
00:34:11.705 --> 00:34:13.925
Or possibly a It applies I guess. Yeah. Yeah.

797
00:34:13.925 --> 00:34:16.205
Because the, you're looking at a,

798
00:34:17.595 --> 00:34:19.845
both bids are looking at a lease system,

799
00:34:20.585 --> 00:34:22.205
you're not actually purchasing it.

800
00:34:22.345 --> 00:34:25.045
So I'm not sure if that, uh, taxes them status would,

801
00:34:25.045 --> 00:34:27.245
uh, be covered.

802
00:34:27.625 --> 00:34:29.125
And again, that I don't know. It's worth asking.

803
00:34:29.265 --> 00:34:31.205
May maybe our attorney has an idea.

804
00:34:31.915 --> 00:34:34.485
Yeah. That could be a talking point in

805
00:34:34.485 --> 00:34:35.565
negotiations as well.

806
00:34:35.675 --> 00:34:37.565
Yeah. Knowing that they're going to get

807
00:34:37.565 --> 00:34:39.525
that to bring our copy. At

808
00:34:39.525 --> 00:34:40.525
Least that's my thought. Let's

809
00:34:40.525 --> 00:34:43.605
proceed with the 28th. That'd be my cents.

810
00:34:44.045 --> 00:34:45.325
I got one other, I know we came,

811
00:34:45.475 --> 00:34:46.765
this is a question on the bid

812
00:34:46.825 --> 00:34:50.685
and I talked to Brittany about this when I obviously read,

813
00:34:50.825 --> 00:34:54.005
uh, and Brittany knows, I don't mean to beat the source

814
00:34:54.005 --> 00:34:55.845
of death, but I see

815
00:34:55.845 --> 00:34:59.045
that Duke energy obviously was not accepted.

816
00:34:59.665 --> 00:35:02.245
And soon as I saw Duke Energy right away,

817
00:35:02.285 --> 00:35:03.325
I said, man, that's great.

818
00:35:03.325 --> 00:35:04.365
They're not too far away.

819
00:35:04.365 --> 00:35:07.765
They already give, uh, they already do part of the villages

820
00:35:07.965 --> 00:35:09.405
'cause they're in the north part of villages

821
00:35:09.405 --> 00:35:10.725
and some on the south now I think.

822
00:35:10.825 --> 00:35:11.965
But definitely on the north part.

823
00:35:12.505 --> 00:35:15.645
And obviously I'm worried about the warranty.

824
00:35:16.465 --> 00:35:17.805
I'm worried about, uh,

825
00:35:17.835 --> 00:35:21.125
duke Energy most likely won't go bankrupt, most likely will,

826
00:35:21.155 --> 00:35:25.725
will always be around and warranties mean nothing if the

827
00:35:25.805 --> 00:35:27.085
company does not exist.

828
00:35:27.425 --> 00:35:29.645
So if the company goes bankrupt, your warranty,

829
00:35:29.645 --> 00:35:31.285
your mouth just so you know what to do with that.

830
00:35:31.785 --> 00:35:34.565
So I'm and, and I'm worried about that, you know,

831
00:35:34.665 --> 00:35:36.965
and then when I saw that it was taken out of,

832
00:35:37.085 --> 00:35:39.365
'cause it was taken out for, I thought was a minor thing.

833
00:35:39.365 --> 00:35:41.165
They asked for something in the contract,

834
00:35:41.485 --> 00:35:44.245
I mean in the proposal, which they didn't provide,

835
00:35:44.665 --> 00:35:47.645
but it did say they would provide it at a certain time

836
00:35:48.145 --> 00:35:49.965
and that was the reason why they were taken out.

837
00:35:50.025 --> 00:35:51.085
To me it's a gray area.

838
00:35:51.605 --> 00:35:54.205
I honestly felt, and of course we always could rebid,

839
00:35:54.625 --> 00:35:56.085
you know, we may rebid anyway,

840
00:35:56.545 --> 00:36:01.245
but to keep, um, duke energy out a company that does it,

841
00:36:01.425 --> 00:36:04.845
that's in the area that was really caught my attention

842
00:36:05.425 --> 00:36:07.325
and especially we disregarded them

843
00:36:07.325 --> 00:36:10.485
because of a really, I think a gray area

844
00:36:10.495 --> 00:36:13.245
where they said they would give that we asked

845
00:36:13.245 --> 00:36:15.245
for a certain item, a certain protection,

846
00:36:15.665 --> 00:36:17.045
and they said they would provide

847
00:36:17.045 --> 00:36:19.365
that paperwork at a another time.

848
00:36:19.945 --> 00:36:22.965
Um, I the only, and I talked to Brittany about it

849
00:36:22.965 --> 00:36:24.725
and Brittany said we always could rebid,

850
00:36:24.725 --> 00:36:26.805
but I wish it was a way we could.

851
00:36:26.805 --> 00:36:28.405
Yeah. Yeah. I, I wish it was a

852
00:36:28.405 --> 00:36:29.445
way we could have added them in.

853
00:36:29.645 --> 00:36:33.085
I know. It's, it's a good, they do it for a living.

854
00:36:34.085 --> 00:36:36.885
I mean, they're not, you know, you know. Yeah.

855
00:36:36.985 --> 00:36:38.445
So that falls other, other,

856
00:36:38.445 --> 00:36:39.445
Other companies do too.

857
00:36:40.115 --> 00:36:42.245
Yeah. Yeah. But Duke Energy's right down the street

858
00:36:42.245 --> 00:36:44.165
and you know, they hear, and you look at the experience

859
00:36:44.165 --> 00:36:47.165
of 30 years, 40 years, you know, I'm not trying to,

860
00:36:47.165 --> 00:36:50.725
you know, I'm just saying, you know, it is, it's,

861
00:36:51.545 --> 00:36:53.805
that's the company that I would love to see.

862
00:36:53.885 --> 00:36:55.725
I don't know what the prices are and get into it.

863
00:36:56.025 --> 00:36:57.365
But the, that's the, what what's the,

864
00:36:58.225 --> 00:37:02.005
What's the procurement side of that answer? What,

865
00:37:02.545 --> 00:37:04.885
So they, they did not submit a bid bond

866
00:37:05.105 --> 00:37:06.405
and that was a requirement

867
00:37:06.425 --> 00:37:09.605
and that was the same application to the first round.

868
00:37:09.615 --> 00:37:12.885
First round, yeah. Of why some respondents were not

869
00:37:12.885 --> 00:37:15.285
qualified to move on to the evaluation period.

870
00:37:15.985 --> 00:37:19.285
Um, our recommendation would be that if you do rebid,

871
00:37:19.395 --> 00:37:21.685
that you remove the bid bond requirement.

872
00:37:21.745 --> 00:37:23.685
And I don't do this again. No.

873
00:37:23.785 --> 00:37:27.805
So it unfortunately that was a challenge for some

874
00:37:27.965 --> 00:37:31.245
of the respondents, um, that we've learned.

875
00:37:31.345 --> 00:37:34.765
The second, uh, rebid, we still saw the same issue.

876
00:37:34.865 --> 00:37:36.605
So that would be staff's recommendation.

877
00:37:37.105 --> 00:37:39.205
Um, there is a risk.

878
00:37:39.295 --> 00:37:42.085
We've determined that it would be somewhat minimal, um,

879
00:37:42.355 --> 00:37:44.005
with respect to the, 'cause the bid bond

880
00:37:44.005 --> 00:37:45.125
is not the performance bond.

881
00:37:45.345 --> 00:37:48.525
The bid bond just ensures that the pricing is held. Yeah.

882
00:37:48.705 --> 00:37:52.645
Um, for the, uh, submission to potential award.

883
00:37:53.305 --> 00:37:55.805
Um, however that would be staff's recommendation

884
00:37:55.805 --> 00:37:58.445
that if you elect to rebid that you remove that requirement.

885
00:37:58.645 --> 00:38:01.485
'cause that has proven to, um, restrict competition. Yeah.

886
00:38:01.485 --> 00:38:02.805
But the bid bond, they did

887
00:38:03.525 --> 00:38:04.885
reference saying they would give it

888
00:38:04.885 --> 00:38:06.325
to you at a certain period of time.

889
00:38:06.825 --> 00:38:09.445
But they did, they did address it. Yeah. Okay.

890
00:38:09.445 --> 00:38:10.885
Now I'm not just billing me. I have, I know.

891
00:38:11.075 --> 00:38:12.685
Well then what's, what's the,

892
00:38:12.755 --> 00:38:15.725
does counsel have mic Michelle have a, a thought on that,

893
00:38:16.135 --> 00:38:19.325
would that be considered complying that they said

894
00:38:19.325 --> 00:38:21.005
that they would provide it at a later date?

895
00:38:24.935 --> 00:38:27.435
Not, not in the most technical terms, no.

896
00:38:27.455 --> 00:38:29.435
It has to be submitted at the time the bid is

897
00:38:29.435 --> 00:38:30.235
Submitted. Okay.

898
00:38:30.235 --> 00:38:32.875
Thank you for the Requirements.

899
00:38:32.895 --> 00:38:34.835
Yes. On the first round of

900
00:38:34.925 --> 00:38:39.125
Bidding companies were rejected based on that same thing.

901
00:38:39.125 --> 00:38:41.365
Yeah. So now you got, you're setting up for a protest.

902
00:38:41.635 --> 00:38:44.045
Yeah, I know. Again, you have to look at what

903
00:38:44.045 --> 00:38:45.805
what the bid bond protects.

904
00:38:45.875 --> 00:38:47.485
Yeah. Okay. That's protecting you.

905
00:38:47.485 --> 00:38:49.165
That, I mean this may take, it could take a month

906
00:38:49.165 --> 00:38:51.325
or two legal work to work with an agreement

907
00:38:51.675 --> 00:38:54.045
with these contracts if you choose to go with one.

908
00:38:54.145 --> 00:38:56.605
And at the very end, negotiations don't go through

909
00:38:56.625 --> 00:38:57.885
and they leave.

910
00:38:58.385 --> 00:39:00.565
We we're left with nothing where a bid bond,

911
00:39:00.565 --> 00:39:02.885
we would be able to collect money from them Yeah.

912
00:39:03.425 --> 00:39:06.085
For not coming through with an award. Okay. Okay.

913
00:39:06.145 --> 00:39:08.605
So getting that after later, that wouldn't protect,

914
00:39:08.625 --> 00:39:09.805
we wouldn't get anything, wouldn't be

915
00:39:09.805 --> 00:39:10.845
the point of it. Okay.

916
00:39:11.345 --> 00:39:13.365
I'm still, I'm still for July 28th,

917
00:39:13.385 --> 00:39:17.285
the lease here from the two, uh, vendors

918
00:39:17.355 --> 00:39:18.925
that are still in the running.

919
00:39:19.405 --> 00:39:21.885
I agree. I, I agree with going with the 28th,

920
00:39:21.945 --> 00:39:26.725
but I, I still think there are way too many open gray areas

921
00:39:27.345 --> 00:39:29.205
in, in one of these bids I saw

922
00:39:29.645 --> 00:39:30.685
specifically it was called out.

923
00:39:30.725 --> 00:39:32.445
I don't recall on the other one if I saw it

924
00:39:32.575 --> 00:39:35.685
where they didn't include the cost of removal of anything.

925
00:39:36.225 --> 00:39:39.605
And I think that one of our issues that, you know,

926
00:39:40.505 --> 00:39:41.525
I'm gonna generalize here

927
00:39:41.925 --> 00:39:43.165
'cause I don't know much about this stuff,

928
00:39:43.225 --> 00:39:45.805
but I think most of these installs

929
00:39:45.805 --> 00:39:48.085
that they're doing are like big parking lots.

930
00:39:48.715 --> 00:39:52.725
There's not a lot of obstructions here to put in

931
00:39:52.725 --> 00:39:53.765
and put this in.

932
00:39:53.985 --> 00:39:57.645
We got all these trees, we got a lot of stuff that's going

933
00:39:57.665 --> 00:39:59.805
to block, it's gonna cause you

934
00:39:59.805 --> 00:40:01.325
to move things to different places.

935
00:40:01.825 --> 00:40:05.165
And they specifically said it didn't include the removal of

936
00:40:06.245 --> 00:40:10.125
existing to me, that could be it expensive as install.

937
00:40:10.845 --> 00:40:13.405
I mean to install something, it's usually a lot easier than

938
00:40:13.405 --> 00:40:15.085
to remove and retrofit.

939
00:40:15.665 --> 00:40:17.125
So I don't, I don't not sure

940
00:40:17.125 --> 00:40:20.445
that any company can remove a third company's

941
00:40:21.115 --> 00:40:22.115
Yeah. 'cause isn't

942
00:40:22.115 --> 00:40:25.565
this CCOs issue to remove the, well, whatever

943
00:40:25.565 --> 00:40:27.125
Well, we don't have clear, we don't have

944
00:40:27.125 --> 00:40:28.285
clear answer on that.

945
00:40:28.565 --> 00:40:29.845
I don't believe do. Right,

946
00:40:29.845 --> 00:40:30.845
Right.

947
00:40:31.385 --> 00:40:32.445
You know, so I No that,

948
00:40:32.585 --> 00:40:35.285
but that is generally correct in that the

949
00:40:35.885 --> 00:40:38.005
existing lighting poles are CCOs property.

950
00:40:38.145 --> 00:40:41.005
So we would have to work with CCO to remove in the event

951
00:40:41.005 --> 00:40:43.325
that the board would like to move forward with, um,

952
00:40:44.185 --> 00:40:47.725
in installation of new lighting poles proposed by, um,

953
00:40:48.425 --> 00:40:49.445
the, the current vendors.

954
00:40:49.905 --> 00:40:53.165
Didn't we have that under we kind of direction supposed to

955
00:40:53.375 --> 00:40:55.045
Start On

956
00:40:55.045 --> 00:40:56.045
That. Yeah, that's what I was going

957
00:40:56.045 --> 00:40:56.765
Brittany did.

958
00:40:57.005 --> 00:40:58.845
Remember we were supposed to approach that and,

959
00:40:58.865 --> 00:41:01.525
and of course we gotta deal with SE l uh, oh by the way,

960
00:41:01.545 --> 00:41:03.885
did you know you bill one up a dollar 30 a month?

961
00:41:04.105 --> 00:41:06.165
Uh, forget about the 600%.

962
00:41:06.475 --> 00:41:08.125
They raised the dollar 30 a month

963
00:41:08.305 --> 00:41:09.485
on your, on your electric bill.

964
00:41:09.815 --> 00:41:12.965
$50 more. Just another fee. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

965
00:41:12.965 --> 00:41:14.885
No, they raised, they raised the actual price

966
00:41:14.905 --> 00:41:16.485
of electric a dollar 30 a

967
00:41:16.485 --> 00:41:17.285
Month, but Yeah. But didn't we

968
00:41:17.485 --> 00:41:18.485
A day right. I'm sorry it

969
00:41:18.485 --> 00:41:19.285
a monthly day.

970
00:41:20.185 --> 00:41:21.885
We did get yes.

971
00:41:21.945 --> 00:41:26.165
We we did get, um, confirmation from, um, Tracy,

972
00:41:26.855 --> 00:41:28.965
who's one of the councils over at cco.

973
00:41:29.105 --> 00:41:32.965
Um, their, uh, current estimate for cough

974
00:41:33.065 --> 00:41:36.365
for removal of the lighting pole is, um,

975
00:41:36.675 --> 00:41:41.245
approximately $250,000 and their, um, cost

976
00:41:41.545 --> 00:41:44.285
and their proposed cost estimate for purchase

977
00:41:44.305 --> 00:41:47.125
by the district, uh, would be a total

978
00:41:47.145 --> 00:41:51.965
of $637 and 629 and change.

979
00:41:52.425 --> 00:41:55.325
How, how did it land that we still have to pay

980
00:41:55.905 --> 00:41:58.045
to have them remove their property?

981
00:42:01.185 --> 00:42:05.605
We believe that the renewable cost was based on the, uh,

982
00:42:05.885 --> 00:42:06.925
relocation costs.

983
00:42:07.745 --> 00:42:12.405
Um, we have not app tion with the demand letter

984
00:42:12.585 --> 00:42:13.965
yet just to ensure

985
00:42:13.965 --> 00:42:16.245
that we're preserve preserving the most flexibility

986
00:42:16.265 --> 00:42:19.815
for the board just based on the responses

987
00:42:19.815 --> 00:42:20.895
that we've received.

988
00:42:21.475 --> 00:42:25.855
Um, did not think it was strategically advantageous to,

989
00:42:26.315 --> 00:42:30.695
um, legally pressed at this time, given we do have

990
00:42:31.245 --> 00:42:35.455
information by Tracy that,

991
00:42:35.995 --> 00:42:39.135
you know, the, they, they have given us an estimate so that

992
00:42:39.135 --> 00:42:40.775
that is their position at this time.

993
00:42:41.315 --> 00:42:42.315
Um,

994
00:42:44.155 --> 00:42:45.935
And Michelle, we never addressed, in fact,

995
00:42:45.935 --> 00:42:48.935
if I remember talking to Mike about that, we never went back

996
00:42:49.045 --> 00:42:51.415
with a proposal saying we're not gonna pay it

997
00:42:51.435 --> 00:42:53.255
or we're gonna negotiate what it costs.

998
00:42:53.355 --> 00:42:56.175
We never we're at the point where it's on hold

999
00:42:56.265 --> 00:42:59.575
until we do something because that's an outrageous amount.

1000
00:43:02.085 --> 00:43:04.015
Correct. We haven't gotten back to 'em

1001
00:43:04.015 --> 00:43:05.255
with any definitive position.

1002
00:43:05.545 --> 00:43:08.735
Again, because we're still still in the exploratory phase on

1003
00:43:08.735 --> 00:43:09.895
the RFP side of things.

1004
00:43:10.235 --> 00:43:13.775
Um, we did not necessarily want to make

1005
00:43:14.375 --> 00:43:15.695
decisions on the end.

1006
00:43:15.975 --> 00:43:18.495
I, well I think, I think we need to,

1007
00:43:18.495 --> 00:43:19.895
because in theory

1008
00:43:20.435 --> 00:43:23.055
we could be a month away from making a thumbs up

1009
00:43:23.055 --> 00:43:25.615
or thumbs down decision on, on this.

1010
00:43:26.235 --> 00:43:30.135
So I think that's paramount that we at least know exactly

1011
00:43:30.205 --> 00:43:32.855
what we're facing Totally in the, in the way of cost.

1012
00:43:33.605 --> 00:43:34.975
Yeah. Should we clear this up?

1013
00:43:34.975 --> 00:43:36.655
Knowing exactly what it would cost us?

1014
00:43:36.855 --> 00:43:39.815
I mean, before we even, you know, it's part

1015
00:43:39.815 --> 00:43:41.855
of the whole amount of money we gotta pay.

1016
00:43:43.035 --> 00:43:46.095
Uh, what do you think? When should this be addressed?

1017
00:43:49.855 --> 00:43:52.905
Well, you do have estimates that say that that is

1018
00:43:52.905 --> 00:43:53.905
what they're willing to charge.

1019
00:43:54.045 --> 00:43:55.465
So I think we can go by those

1020
00:43:56.265 --> 00:43:59.265
estimates at this time in making the decision to whether

1021
00:44:00.395 --> 00:44:04.275
we're gonna move forward with a different vendor

1022
00:44:04.455 --> 00:44:06.835
for a total new installation, which

1023
00:44:07.575 --> 00:44:09.355
you do have the estimate for removal from.

1024
00:44:09.355 --> 00:44:11.435
Then I think what

1025
00:44:17.205 --> 00:44:18.205
Hello?

1026
00:44:18.775 --> 00:44:22.075
I'm sorry. Sorry. Somehow a mute button was, sorry,

1027
00:44:22.075 --> 00:44:23.355
someone on a mute button was press.

1028
00:44:24.395 --> 00:44:25.595
I think what we don't want

1029
00:44:25.595 --> 00:44:28.955
to do currently without having made any decisions on whether

1030
00:44:29.535 --> 00:44:31.565
we will go with an alternate vendor

1031
00:44:31.665 --> 00:44:35.115
or not, is to ask them

1032
00:44:35.135 --> 00:44:37.315
to take a definitive position on what,

1033
00:44:37.735 --> 00:44:42.355
on whether the relocation cost is in fact removal cost.

1034
00:44:42.635 --> 00:44:45.395
'cause then that gives them the opportunity to go back

1035
00:44:45.395 --> 00:44:48.875
and amend and or propose, you know, amendments

1036
00:44:48.875 --> 00:44:50.155
to, to clarify that.

1037
00:44:50.695 --> 00:44:53.275
So by, by by the wording in the, in the agreement

1038
00:44:53.345 --> 00:44:55.475
between us, the district

1039
00:44:55.535 --> 00:44:59.235
and cco, is that obviously we're obligated for them

1040
00:44:59.415 --> 00:45:01.555
to remove their material.

1041
00:45:01.855 --> 00:45:04.035
Is that that has been established, that's your opinion.

1042
00:45:04.455 --> 00:45:07.635
We, I was under, it's their material.

1043
00:45:07.705 --> 00:45:09.355
They move it on for no cost.

1044
00:45:10.095 --> 00:45:14.115
Um, they may disagree, but what's your legal opinion?

1045
00:45:14.255 --> 00:45:16.875
Do we have an argument where we have to actually pay

1046
00:45:16.875 --> 00:45:18.275
for them to remove their material,

1047
00:45:24.705 --> 00:45:24.865
Michelle,

1048
00:45:25.285 --> 00:45:27.465
Or we can just, or we can just let,

1049
00:45:27.925 --> 00:45:29.505
let them stay on our property

1050
00:45:29.645 --> 00:45:32.065
and you know, ask them to come collect.

1051
00:45:32.845 --> 00:45:36.345
Um, but, but the, the whole issue hinges on,

1052
00:45:36.805 --> 00:45:39.425
on the different interpretation of whether the relocation

1053
00:45:39.645 --> 00:45:43.065
for convenience of a member, which the CDD is a member

1054
00:45:43.085 --> 00:45:48.025
of the CCO cooperative is in fact

1055
00:45:48.275 --> 00:45:49.785
applicable to the relocation.

1056
00:45:50.045 --> 00:45:53.025
And so we ha we have not pressed them yet

1057
00:45:53.025 --> 00:45:55.225
to give us a definitive legal answer on that.

1058
00:45:55.225 --> 00:45:57.385
Because again, we don't have a a we don't have

1059
00:45:57.405 --> 00:46:00.785
for direction on whether you are moving forward on

1060
00:46:01.695 --> 00:46:03.185
Well, when you read, when you

1061
00:46:03.505 --> 00:46:05.665
Removing those or not When you read the agreement,

1062
00:46:06.695 --> 00:46:08.185
what did, what's your conclusion?

1063
00:46:08.925 --> 00:46:10.345
Are we responsible or not?

1064
00:46:10.405 --> 00:46:13.505
Or is this something that's just not addressed at all?

1065
00:46:16.735 --> 00:46:18.905
It's a gray area. It's a gray area.

1066
00:46:19.525 --> 00:46:23.025
It, it, it's not, their interpretation is

1067
00:46:23.025 --> 00:46:25.545
that it is addressed by the relocation cost.

1068
00:46:25.615 --> 00:46:28.225
They're liberally interpreting that to say that also

1069
00:46:29.015 --> 00:46:30.185
applies to remove.

1070
00:46:32.205 --> 00:46:35.065
We could argue that it does not and that,

1071
00:46:35.325 --> 00:46:37.265
but again, it's a gray area,

1072
00:46:38.275 --> 00:46:39.275
Don't you? We need

1073
00:46:39.275 --> 00:46:42.305
to hear black and white from you not a gray area.

1074
00:46:43.165 --> 00:46:46.785
And our position, correct me if I'm wrong please, is

1075
00:46:47.055 --> 00:46:50.065
that they need to get their property off

1076
00:46:50.065 --> 00:46:52.425
of our property at no cost.

1077
00:46:55.445 --> 00:46:58.505
Mr. Chairman and Mr. Ragni, if I can just step in.

1078
00:46:58.525 --> 00:47:01.105
So I I think when the timeline

1079
00:47:01.205 --> 00:47:03.345
or the sequence of events is that

1080
00:47:05.095 --> 00:47:07.955
You don't wanna put yourself in the position where you're,

1081
00:47:08.375 --> 00:47:10.835
you're forcing CCO on something

1082
00:47:10.835 --> 00:47:13.115
that we don't have another resolution to support.

1083
00:47:13.655 --> 00:47:17.955
So we don't, if we don't, if I think for the

1084
00:47:19.345 --> 00:47:22.755
flow of events, you're gonna have your July 28th workshop

1085
00:47:22.905 --> 00:47:25.675
with the two ranked proposals.

1086
00:47:27.375 --> 00:47:30.285
If you elect to bring that back to your August workshop,

1087
00:47:30.905 --> 00:47:33.325
you're going to have to authorize staff

1088
00:47:33.325 --> 00:47:36.885
through your attorney to negotiate with said vendor.

1089
00:47:37.025 --> 00:47:40.045
If you elect to move forward with them, I think your,

1090
00:47:40.155 --> 00:47:42.645
your highest level of exposure on the CCO side

1091
00:47:42.665 --> 00:47:43.805
is the 250,000.

1092
00:47:43.805 --> 00:47:45.245
Mm-hmm. Because that's what they've set.

1093
00:47:45.245 --> 00:47:48.085
That's the, that's the worst case scenario. Worst.

1094
00:47:48.145 --> 00:47:51.405
But you also are gonna potentially have to look at financing

1095
00:47:52.275 --> 00:47:56.805
this solution, which is not gonna be done in a, uh,

1096
00:47:57.575 --> 00:47:59.405
bonds or bank loans.

1097
00:47:59.825 --> 00:48:00.965
You know, depending on the type

1098
00:48:00.965 --> 00:48:04.685
of financing available is not going to be a, uh,

1099
00:48:05.015 --> 00:48:06.165
month turnaround process.

1100
00:48:06.185 --> 00:48:07.925
Mm-hmm. Um, and I can let Ms.

1101
00:48:08.125 --> 00:48:10.405
Ragni speak to the, the typical timeline for,

1102
00:48:10.965 --> 00:48:13.245
I know this would potentially be a lower amount,

1103
00:48:13.345 --> 00:48:15.445
but still a consideration on how you're going

1104
00:48:15.445 --> 00:48:20.005
to fund this type of capital improvement if you elect

1105
00:48:20.005 --> 00:48:21.845
to move forward at your August meeting.

1106
00:48:22.525 --> 00:48:25.765
I would think that's when you authorize legal to

1107
00:48:26.355 --> 00:48:29.445
have those difficult direct discussions with CCO

1108
00:48:30.265 --> 00:48:34.605
to reduce your highest level of exposure from 250,000 down.

1109
00:48:34.605 --> 00:48:38.685
Mm-hmm. The, the plat generally the cco

1110
00:48:39.345 --> 00:48:42.805
the infrastructure is not explicitly on district property.

1111
00:48:43.355 --> 00:48:44.965
They have easements reserved

1112
00:48:45.025 --> 00:48:47.125
for their infrastructure on the plat.

1113
00:48:47.145 --> 00:48:51.045
Mm-hmm. So it's, they're within their

1114
00:48:52.525 --> 00:48:54.925
electrical easements, utility easements

1115
00:48:54.955 --> 00:48:57.165
with their infrastructure not directly

1116
00:48:57.265 --> 00:48:59.445
on district seven property.

1117
00:48:59.445 --> 00:49:03.685
So that's another consideration all also not knowing

1118
00:49:03.755 --> 00:49:04.845
with the, the vendors,

1119
00:49:04.985 --> 00:49:07.125
and I think this would be a question for the presentation,

1120
00:49:07.225 --> 00:49:10.845
is would they consider doing a one for one if,

1121
00:49:11.185 --> 00:49:12.605
are they going to place streetlights

1122
00:49:12.655 --> 00:49:14.405
where an existing streetlight is

1123
00:49:14.405 --> 00:49:16.085
with the concrete footer and everything else?

1124
00:49:16.305 --> 00:49:19.965
Or do they intend on placing them in different locations?

1125
00:49:20.425 --> 00:49:24.205
So I think that's contingent upon how CCO does their removal

1126
00:49:24.505 --> 00:49:26.685
and whether or not you utilize what's left

1127
00:49:26.905 --> 00:49:29.485
or you have a different location for the light.

1128
00:49:29.945 --> 00:49:32.805
So I think those are all unknowns right now.

1129
00:49:32.865 --> 00:49:37.325
But I, I don't know that you would want to, um, have

1130
00:49:37.325 --> 00:49:41.165
that demand sort of conversation with CCO until you know

1131
00:49:41.165 --> 00:49:44.325
that you're moving forward with this RFP selection

1132
00:49:44.705 --> 00:49:47.885
and just factor in that 250,000 is worst case.

1133
00:49:48.785 --> 00:49:50.525
You know, I'm getting a little concerned

1134
00:49:50.625 --> 00:49:54.245
and I know we are, you know, um, the cost of all this.

1135
00:49:54.265 --> 00:49:57.045
Mm-hmm. You know, I'm getting, I'm getting very concerned.

1136
00:49:57.405 --> 00:49:58.405
Absolutely. Should be. And, and,

1137
00:49:58.425 --> 00:50:01.645
and you know, it, it, maybe it might be cheaper

1138
00:50:01.825 --> 00:50:05.085
to pay the 600% on the damn lights we have than do this.

1139
00:50:05.465 --> 00:50:08.605
And, and I, I know it is a tough time to bring this up,

1140
00:50:09.025 --> 00:50:10.805
but that's what happens when thing changes

1141
00:50:10.865 --> 00:50:13.285
and you don't have anything in common, anything in cement.

1142
00:50:13.285 --> 00:50:15.845
We don't know how much it actually gonna be

1143
00:50:15.895 --> 00:50:17.485
until we don't know.

1144
00:50:17.835 --> 00:50:20.485
Yeah. And like you said, you gotta get a point.

1145
00:50:20.515 --> 00:50:22.005
This is gonna be an outrageous amount

1146
00:50:22.665 --> 00:50:25.565
and overall, I don't know, we're saving money.

1147
00:50:27.475 --> 00:50:31.325
Look at the easement that easement is based upon CCO

1148
00:50:32.025 --> 00:50:35.965
having that, uh, those poles,

1149
00:50:36.305 --> 00:50:39.325
if CCO does not have those poles authorized to be there,

1150
00:50:40.155 --> 00:50:41.885
that easement for them goes away.

1151
00:50:42.235 --> 00:50:45.485
They do have underground, and I'm not defending cco,

1152
00:50:45.605 --> 00:50:48.925
but they do, they explained that they have underground, um,

1153
00:50:49.155 --> 00:50:50.485
like junction points Yes.

1154
00:50:50.505 --> 00:50:53.245
And connections for how their entire system operates.

1155
00:50:53.585 --> 00:50:56.165
So there still could be infrastructure within the easement.

1156
00:50:56.785 --> 00:51:00.445
Um, I just think that you have to make the decision on

1157
00:51:02.825 --> 00:51:04.315
your proposals

1158
00:51:05.055 --> 00:51:08.915
and have that kind of dictate what the next step is on

1159
00:51:09.655 --> 00:51:12.875
the direct conversations with CCO on bringing

1160
00:51:12.875 --> 00:51:14.195
that expense down.

1161
00:51:14.615 --> 00:51:16.595
But you, but Brittany, you know, the problem is,

1162
00:51:16.615 --> 00:51:17.795
and honestly it's all about money.

1163
00:51:17.865 --> 00:51:19.235
Obviously you are trying

1164
00:51:19.235 --> 00:51:22.675
to obviously CCO raised the 600% approximately

1165
00:51:22.775 --> 00:51:24.755
and we're trying to, uh, go solar.

1166
00:51:25.075 --> 00:51:27.395
'cause it might be, it should be cheaper in the long run.

1167
00:51:28.105 --> 00:51:29.915
Obviously I don't know about that anymore

1168
00:51:30.115 --> 00:51:32.275
'cause we have no foundation to judge.

1169
00:51:32.855 --> 00:51:34.355
We don't know what's gonna cost us.

1170
00:51:34.615 --> 00:51:36.755
So we're gonna go through this whole expense and,

1171
00:51:36.755 --> 00:51:38.075
and not this a lot of money,

1172
00:51:38.175 --> 00:51:41.835
but half our bill just last month was on this subject

1173
00:51:41.935 --> 00:51:43.155
and this is going on for months.

1174
00:51:43.735 --> 00:51:46.915
So for a bill mean for all, uh, uh, legal bill. Yeah.

1175
00:51:46.955 --> 00:51:51.555
A legal bill. So it seems to me this, this is gonna be,

1176
00:51:51.555 --> 00:51:54.275
this may be cheaper just to pay the $600

1177
00:51:54.375 --> 00:51:55.715
and just let the seco do it.

1178
00:51:55.875 --> 00:51:59.195
I mean it continue what we're doing, honestly, I

1179
00:52:00.145 --> 00:52:01.275
this is, we don't know.

1180
00:52:01.575 --> 00:52:03.595
We don't know what the, how much it's gonna come.

1181
00:52:03.595 --> 00:52:04.675
Like not yet. So

1182
00:52:05.135 --> 00:52:06.915
that's why I think we gotta go through the effort.

1183
00:52:07.135 --> 00:52:08.995
So we, and take a look at and,

1184
00:52:08.995 --> 00:52:12.675
and take a look at what it is gonna be costing us, you know,

1185
00:52:12.675 --> 00:52:14.395
and ask the questions on, on July.

1186
00:52:14.615 --> 00:52:17.795
And we use that price of that SL gaze to remove it

1187
00:52:18.015 --> 00:52:20.275
as a foundation of what it's gonna cost us

1188
00:52:20.375 --> 00:52:21.875
for now it may be cheaper, right?

1189
00:52:21.875 --> 00:52:24.675
It's not gonna be more hopefully, but it may be it.

1190
00:52:24.935 --> 00:52:25.995
I'm a little worried about the cost

1191
00:52:26.095 --> 00:52:27.555
and I'm a lot worried about the cost.

1192
00:52:27.815 --> 00:52:29.635
We may be doing this in plain US hate

1193
00:52:29.635 --> 00:52:30.875
to be rude just for nothing.

1194
00:52:31.105 --> 00:52:32.115
Just to get information.

1195
00:52:32.425 --> 00:52:34.115
It's very costly just to get information.

1196
00:52:34.545 --> 00:52:38.895
Well, there's nothing preventing CCO in two years.

1197
00:52:39.205 --> 00:52:42.295
Jacking is up another 600%. That's my concern.

1198
00:52:43.205 --> 00:52:46.855
Yeah, that's true. Um, I just, I think we could need

1199
00:52:46.855 --> 00:52:48.335
to do the workshop 'cause we'll get Yeah,

1200
00:52:48.335 --> 00:52:49.695
we'll get some more clarification

1201
00:52:49.715 --> 00:52:51.015
and some answers good or bad.

1202
00:52:51.105 --> 00:52:54.095
We'll get more, um, to some degree.

1203
00:52:54.095 --> 00:52:55.415
You know what, I, I read these things

1204
00:52:55.435 --> 00:52:56.735
and I've given it a lot of thought

1205
00:52:56.755 --> 00:52:58.055
and to some degree I think

1206
00:52:58.825 --> 00:53:00.895
maybe we're a little too far ahead

1207
00:53:00.895 --> 00:53:02.175
of the curve on this stuff.

1208
00:53:02.815 --> 00:53:05.775
'cause I think the solar should become more

1209
00:53:05.775 --> 00:53:07.935
and more popular as we go forward in time.

1210
00:53:08.395 --> 00:53:10.415
Should become more and more cost effective

1211
00:53:10.415 --> 00:53:11.535
as we go forward in time.

1212
00:53:12.175 --> 00:53:14.535
I say should be, I don't know anything for sure.

1213
00:53:15.645 --> 00:53:17.105
Um, but it,

1214
00:53:17.765 --> 00:53:22.745
it is a very pricey undertaking here with the question,

1215
00:53:23.055 --> 00:53:24.585
real questionable payback.

1216
00:53:25.075 --> 00:53:28.365
Yeah. Because when we do this, we know

1217
00:53:29.105 --> 00:53:32.565
10 years down the road the the batteries are going on these

1218
00:53:32.565 --> 00:53:34.165
things, even if there's a warranty,

1219
00:53:34.305 --> 00:53:36.725
who knows if the company's around Fair point.

1220
00:53:37.265 --> 00:53:40.845
Um, but, and then 25 years, I think they all say

1221
00:53:41.425 --> 00:53:44.885
the fixtures start to, they're gone.

1222
00:53:45.305 --> 00:53:48.245
So you're gonna have to repay all this stuff in

1223
00:53:49.095 --> 00:53:51.045
which we're gonna have to pay the cost anyway.

1224
00:53:51.045 --> 00:53:53.045
Even if we stay with cco, they're,

1225
00:53:53.045 --> 00:53:54.805
they replace their lights and everything like that.

1226
00:53:54.865 --> 00:53:57.605
But I, I, I don't know, it just seems to me like, uh,

1227
00:53:58.575 --> 00:54:00.845
maybe we're, we're too far in front

1228
00:54:00.845 --> 00:54:02.605
of this thing at this point.

1229
00:54:02.805 --> 00:54:03.845
I think we ought to continue

1230
00:54:03.845 --> 00:54:05.085
to try and get some information.

1231
00:54:05.105 --> 00:54:07.965
But then after the 28th, I think we need to decide,

1232
00:54:08.595 --> 00:54:10.325
okay, put a fork in this thing.

1233
00:54:10.355 --> 00:54:11.965
What direction are we going? Yeah, yeah.

1234
00:54:11.965 --> 00:54:13.285
Because we don't know what they're, you're right,

1235
00:54:13.285 --> 00:54:15.645
we've got legal fees are gonna go on forever in this thing

1236
00:54:16.075 --> 00:54:18.005
then, then all of a sudden we decide to do

1237
00:54:18.005 --> 00:54:19.445
and there's a bond out there all,

1238
00:54:19.545 --> 00:54:20.965
you know, somebody's gotta pay that bond.

1239
00:54:20.965 --> 00:54:23.285
It's gonna be the residents. Yeah. Honestly.

1240
00:54:23.345 --> 00:54:25.805
And and being so vague on what the price is gonna be,

1241
00:54:25.825 --> 00:54:30.005
how much, and dealing with Seco is not obviously, uh, I wish

1242
00:54:30.585 --> 00:54:33.005
we had d so I wish there was more competition

1243
00:54:33.155 --> 00:54:36.245
because what happened with, with this, with Seco,

1244
00:54:36.245 --> 00:54:38.085
there's no competition, you know?

1245
00:54:38.085 --> 00:54:40.445
Right. So, you know, you either buy it from them

1246
00:54:40.465 --> 00:54:43.885
or you don't have electricity, you know, um, it,

1247
00:54:44.465 --> 00:54:45.645
it, it scares me.

1248
00:54:46.195 --> 00:54:48.565
Yeah. And even with these two proposals, there's millions

1249
00:54:48.565 --> 00:54:50.445
of dollars differences between the two of them.

1250
00:54:50.515 --> 00:54:51.845
Yeah. Um,

1251
00:54:52.345 --> 00:54:55.925
and it's still, there's still a lot of open unended

1252
00:54:56.345 --> 00:54:59.485
or uh, open unanswered questions

1253
00:55:00.585 --> 00:55:01.925
all associated with cost.

1254
00:55:01.995 --> 00:55:03.965
Yeah. You know, cost, cost, cost. Yeah.

1255
00:55:06.265 --> 00:55:08.605
So let's have the next meeting as Ed said,

1256
00:55:08.885 --> 00:55:10.725
I think we'll move on and get more information.

1257
00:55:10.745 --> 00:55:13.285
And then there's gotta be a time where we need

1258
00:55:14.515 --> 00:55:17.125
some cement numbers, numbers in cement,

1259
00:55:17.125 --> 00:55:18.565
knowing what's gonna be I know,

1260
00:55:18.665 --> 00:55:21.875
and this is gonna be, uh,

1261
00:55:21.975 --> 00:55:23.915
it may be cheaper just to say what we're doing.

1262
00:55:24.905 --> 00:55:27.755
Yeah. I mean, even, even if we quote unquote get cement

1263
00:55:27.755 --> 00:55:29.035
numbers from the vendors

1264
00:55:29.135 --> 00:55:30.915
and everything, the question is still,

1265
00:55:31.295 --> 00:55:33.595
are the vendors gonna be there in five years, two years,

1266
00:55:33.775 --> 00:55:34.875
10 years, 20 years?

1267
00:55:35.875 --> 00:55:38.395
I can tell you, hey, I guarantee you I'm gonna be here

1268
00:55:38.415 --> 00:55:39.435
for the next 30 years.

1269
00:55:40.795 --> 00:55:43.475
I, you know, that's a false guarantee. Oh yeah.

1270
00:55:43.695 --> 00:55:45.275
But I can write it down. Okay.

1271
00:55:45.375 --> 00:55:48.715
So let's get some, some direction. What do you want to do?

1272
00:55:49.195 --> 00:55:54.035
I, I wanna go ahead and, uh, excuse me, proceed for the 28th

1273
00:55:54.135 --> 00:55:56.035
and, and do some homework.

1274
00:55:56.515 --> 00:55:58.075
I agree. I agree. Alright.

1275
00:55:58.745 --> 00:56:01.555
Okay. And just some suggestions on when we do the

1276
00:56:01.585 --> 00:56:03.675
presentations after, in our case,

1277
00:56:03.815 --> 00:56:05.955
our staff do a selection committee

1278
00:56:05.955 --> 00:56:07.235
and then they wanna do presentations

1279
00:56:07.235 --> 00:56:08.755
with it just to keep it structured.

1280
00:56:08.935 --> 00:56:12.715
We allow each proponent who's coming in limited time

1281
00:56:13.375 --> 00:56:14.555
that's equal to each other.

1282
00:56:15.135 --> 00:56:18.315
Uh, if you could submit questions to us, I'd like to give

1283
00:56:18.315 --> 00:56:19.355
that to them ahead of time

1284
00:56:19.575 --> 00:56:22.715
so they're prepared in their presentation to answer all

1285
00:56:22.715 --> 00:56:24.165
of your questions in there too.

1286
00:56:24.505 --> 00:56:26.685
Get as much, um, information out of you

1287
00:56:27.065 --> 00:56:30.525
or, um, that you are seeking during their presentation.

1288
00:56:31.105 --> 00:56:33.445
Uh, so you could just email those to me or Brittany

1289
00:56:33.445 --> 00:56:35.005
and I will send it to them ahead

1290
00:56:35.005 --> 00:56:36.365
of time for them to prepare.

1291
00:56:36.365 --> 00:56:38.205
And when we schedule that time, and obviously

1292
00:56:38.205 --> 00:56:41.165
When they, when they answer our questions, that that, uh,

1293
00:56:41.315 --> 00:56:44.485
will create more questions by us, obviously.

1294
00:56:45.025 --> 00:56:47.645
And, uh, this could be kind of length, you're right.

1295
00:56:48.115 --> 00:56:49.205
Well, there's only two vendors.

1296
00:56:49.555 --> 00:56:50.555
Yeah. You know,

1297
00:56:51.185 --> 00:56:52.185
But just so they're prepared. Sometimes,

1298
00:56:52.185 --> 00:56:53.565
you know, they come in, they give you all your,

1299
00:56:53.565 --> 00:56:54.565
their bells and whistles

1300
00:56:54.565 --> 00:56:55.565
and we don't really care about that.

1301
00:56:55.565 --> 00:56:57.765
We won't have to target in on the specific questions

1302
00:56:57.765 --> 00:57:00.205
that you have from their, their packet.

1303
00:57:00.425 --> 00:57:02.085
So again, we'll give that to them

1304
00:57:02.185 --> 00:57:05.085
and, um, let them know if they need to touch on these items.

1305
00:57:05.345 --> 00:57:07.525
And again, you can ask questions after the presentation.

1306
00:57:07.675 --> 00:57:09.125
Okay. And so they're gonna be required

1307
00:57:09.125 --> 00:57:10.925
to be there on a, our scheduled date.

1308
00:57:11.715 --> 00:57:13.125
Yeah. I will reach out to them.

1309
00:57:13.285 --> 00:57:15.445
I will let them know, uh, who you know, who will go first,

1310
00:57:15.445 --> 00:57:16.685
what time they need to be here,

1311
00:57:16.825 --> 00:57:17.965
and the amount of time they have.

1312
00:57:17.985 --> 00:57:21.765
And I will submit your questions to them to include that.

1313
00:57:22.475 --> 00:57:25.525
Okay. So we gotta give questions to, you know,

1314
00:57:25.525 --> 00:57:27.765
obviously there's gonna be follow up questions.

1315
00:57:27.965 --> 00:57:29.245
'cause obviously my question is Oh, absolutely.

1316
00:57:29.245 --> 00:57:30.085
When they start to talk,

1317
00:57:30.085 --> 00:57:31.765
you're gonna have more and more questions. Mm-hmm.

1318
00:57:32.025 --> 00:57:34.005
And we do, we can have provide you with a worksheet's,

1319
00:57:34.005 --> 00:57:37.005
pretty simple, but just so you can get your, your scores

1320
00:57:37.105 --> 00:57:38.925
or make your comments as they're speaking.

1321
00:57:38.945 --> 00:57:41.045
And then you can have those discussion points when you

1322
00:57:41.045 --> 00:57:44.125
discuss after, afterwards. It's just a simple sheet.

1323
00:57:44.145 --> 00:57:47.485
How much time are you thinking that we would often,

1324
00:57:47.985 --> 00:57:50.045
I'm not sure how much time you set aside for the room,

1325
00:57:50.145 --> 00:57:52.605
but that, that's up to the board to determine.

1326
00:57:52.765 --> 00:57:54.325
I would just suggest being equal.

1327
00:57:54.355 --> 00:57:55.845
Obviously they know they each have

1328
00:57:55.845 --> 00:57:57.365
an hour, they each have 30 minutes. Well,

1329
00:57:57.365 --> 00:57:58.365
Thank God it's only two of them.

1330
00:58:00.395 --> 00:58:02.165
It's been long days when we do this. Yeah.

1331
00:58:02.165 --> 00:58:03.965
We've had four or five that we've done.

1332
00:58:04.275 --> 00:58:05.365
Yeah. Mr.

1333
00:58:05.645 --> 00:58:09.165
Chairman, we'll feed off of the, um, and I'll work with Ms.

1334
00:58:09.645 --> 00:58:11.125
Ragone, but we previously worked with Mr.

1335
00:58:11.445 --> 00:58:13.045
Eckard on the request for information,

1336
00:58:13.535 --> 00:58:17.605
which was a very time driven, um, setup

1337
00:58:17.895 --> 00:58:20.405
where it allowed them, I believe, 15 to 20 minutes

1338
00:58:20.505 --> 00:58:21.525
for their presentation.

1339
00:58:22.185 --> 00:58:24.205
And then there was a period of question

1340
00:58:24.205 --> 00:58:27.845
and answers for both the board and the vendor.

1341
00:58:28.425 --> 00:58:30.805
Um, so we'll, we'll work through that structure just

1342
00:58:30.805 --> 00:58:33.245
to ensure that each has a set amount

1343
00:58:33.245 --> 00:58:34.565
of time for each presentation

1344
00:58:36.625 --> 00:58:37.625
In this process. Like

1345
00:58:37.625 --> 00:58:40.445
you said, it is a, it's gonna be a long process.

1346
00:58:40.805 --> 00:58:43.725
I don't, I I don't, I don't see six months from now,

1347
00:58:43.725 --> 00:58:44.805
we're still talking about this.

1348
00:58:45.345 --> 00:58:46.685
Uh, You know,

1349
00:58:46.685 --> 00:58:48.765
We can't, we gotta have a decision before then. Yeah,

1350
00:58:48.765 --> 00:58:49.765
Yeah. I don't think it's

1351
00:58:49.765 --> 00:58:50.725
gonna happen. Yeah.

1352
00:58:50.725 --> 00:58:52.125
We've gotta make up our mind. You know,

1353
00:58:52.925 --> 00:58:53.925
I don't think it's gonna happen.

1354
00:58:54.225 --> 00:58:56.685
It took us six months to get a decision just to find out

1355
00:58:56.685 --> 00:58:58.005
what it take, how much money it's gonna take

1356
00:58:58.005 --> 00:58:59.045
for SECO to take it down.

1357
00:58:59.345 --> 00:59:01.405
And they end up giving the price of half a million.

1358
00:59:01.845 --> 00:59:04.165
I don't buy that fee for Seco to take it

1359
00:59:04.165 --> 00:59:05.165
Down. I'm just saying

1360
00:59:05.165 --> 00:59:06.645
that this process is,

1361
00:59:06.685 --> 00:59:09.645
I think's gonna be much longer than we think, than I think.

1362
00:59:10.715 --> 00:59:13.125
Yeah. What'd you think, ed? I,

1363
00:59:13.445 --> 00:59:15.605
I, it it's gonna be what it is,

1364
00:59:15.705 --> 00:59:18.165
but I think we gotta, we gotta keep going

1365
00:59:18.305 --> 00:59:20.845
to make a, make a decision. I think it's incumbent

1366
00:59:20.955 --> 00:59:21.955
Upon us. We embarked

1367
00:59:21.955 --> 00:59:24.195
on this path. Let's,

1368
00:59:24.565 --> 00:59:25.565
Let's finish it. Yeah.

1369
00:59:25.565 --> 00:59:27.995
CCO is gonna have to replace quite a few

1370
00:59:27.995 --> 00:59:32.595
of those poles just over the next few years regardless.

1371
00:59:33.695 --> 00:59:38.485
And everything's gotta go over to, uh, LED regardless.

1372
00:59:38.985 --> 00:59:42.765
So to have them turn around and jack our writes up

1373
00:59:42.765 --> 00:59:44.645
because they have to do all of this, all of a sudden,

1374
00:59:45.635 --> 00:59:47.445
that wouldn't surprise me in the least. It

1375
00:59:47.445 --> 00:59:48.445
Only came in town. What are

1376
00:59:48.445 --> 00:59:49.165
you gonna do?

1377
00:59:50.465 --> 00:59:52.005
That's what we're looking to do. Yeah.

1378
00:59:52.395 --> 00:59:54.045
Okay. Now What time do we

1379
00:59:54.045 --> 00:59:55.045
Start on the 28th? Eighth

1380
00:59:55.045 --> 00:59:55.925

1381
00:59:56.415 --> 00:59:57.415
Eight. Am the 28th

1382
00:59:57.415 --> 00:59:59.645
in the same room? Yeah. Okay.

1383
00:59:59.705 --> 01:00:01.045
So we'll send out the reminder

1384
01:00:01.225 --> 01:00:03.325
and then looking at the calendar, um,

1385
01:00:03.425 --> 01:00:05.525
if you have general questions in mind,

1386
01:00:06.185 --> 01:00:08.405
if you could submit those by the 23rd,

1387
01:00:08.795 --> 01:00:10.045
that would be next Wednesday.

1388
01:00:10.545 --> 01:00:12.765
Uh, that would allow enough time to get them over

1389
01:00:12.765 --> 01:00:14.485
to the vendor so they have an idea of

1390
01:00:14.485 --> 01:00:18.165
what the expectation is for the presentation. Okay.

1391
01:00:18.785 --> 01:00:20.205
If everybody has five

1392
01:00:20.205 --> 01:00:22.045
or 10 questions, they'll be here an hour

1393
01:00:22.045 --> 01:00:23.165
and a half just talking about that.

1394
01:00:23.165 --> 01:00:26.325
Then you have follow up. You know what,

1395
01:00:27.365 --> 01:00:28.365
Schedule two hours for it.

1396
01:00:28.755 --> 01:00:30.925
Yeah. Who knows. It is what it is.

1397
01:00:31.475 --> 01:00:34.325
Yeah. Well, we gotta get everything answered.

1398
01:00:35.745 --> 01:00:37.365
You gotta be able to make an informed decision.

1399
01:00:38.755 --> 01:00:40.805
It's very tough to make an informed decision when you

1400
01:00:40.805 --> 01:00:42.285
don't have the details that you need.

1401
01:00:42.465 --> 01:00:43.845
You know, you don't have your own, you know,

1402
01:00:43.845 --> 01:00:44.845
it's all about money.

1403
01:00:44.855 --> 01:00:46.965
We're only doing it for one reason. It's about the money.

1404
01:00:47.685 --> 01:00:48.685
Absolutely.

1405
01:00:48.945 --> 01:00:50.805
But we're not doing it to be environmentally correct.

1406
01:00:51.595 --> 01:00:55.325
Yeah, sure. Oh, alright.

1407
01:00:55.845 --> 01:00:56.765
I think, yeah, we have direction.

1408
01:00:56.765 --> 01:00:57.685
Alright. Thank you very much.

1409
01:00:58.575 --> 01:01:01.085
Thank you. Oh

1410
01:01:01.185 --> 01:01:02.185
Boy. Okay, so

1411
01:01:02.185 --> 01:01:04.165
we don't know what we don't know.

1412
01:01:04.355 --> 01:01:06.045
Yeah. Okay. All business.

1413
01:01:06.305 --> 01:01:09.285
Uh, Brittany, what do you think? Yeah,

1414
01:01:09.425 --> 01:01:11.805
So we, we covered quite a few items.

1415
01:01:11.825 --> 01:01:13.805
Mm-hmm. I actually believe all of the items.

1416
01:01:14.385 --> 01:01:17.885
Um, we discussed the RFP, we discussed the, um,

1417
01:01:18.285 --> 01:01:20.965
communication with CCO regarding pole removal.

1418
01:01:21.825 --> 01:01:24.965
Um, we discussed the postal delivery concerns.

1419
01:01:25.345 --> 01:01:26.565
And then the last item is

1420
01:01:26.565 --> 01:01:28.045
that the board did request the Eastport

1421
01:01:28.045 --> 01:01:29.965
and Middleton Middleton downtown project

1422
01:01:29.995 --> 01:01:31.485
wide improvement agreements.

1423
01:01:31.585 --> 01:01:34.605
And those were emailed to the board on June 16th.

1424
01:01:34.835 --> 01:01:37.685
Yeah, thank you. Yeah. To the supervisor on the board.

1425
01:01:37.725 --> 01:01:39.325
I don't know if you read that, but, uh, yeah.

1426
01:01:39.535 --> 01:01:42.725
There, yeah, there is some differences mm-hmm. In, in that.

1427
01:01:43.065 --> 01:01:45.525
And even with the, uh, well, we gotta get to the cap,

1428
01:01:45.525 --> 01:01:47.565
but the, even with the a HC, they,

1429
01:01:48.155 --> 01:01:51.525
what I read is they had the agreement with the, uh,

1430
01:01:52.045 --> 01:01:54.085
villages was in 2008.

1431
01:01:54.265 --> 01:01:56.285
It was, uh, uh, redone.

1432
01:01:56.705 --> 01:02:01.365
Uh, but ours, the wording in our agreement with PA

1433
01:02:01.945 --> 01:02:04.325
and the new PA is a little different.

1434
01:02:04.785 --> 01:02:07.885
You know, uh, maybe one day were addressed that, you know.

1435
01:02:09.115 --> 01:02:10.405
Okay. Anything else, Brittany?

1436
01:02:10.905 --> 01:02:12.405
Uh, no. That concludes old business.

1437
01:02:13.395 --> 01:02:16.485
Okay. Should we, uh, list the, uh, issue

1438
01:02:16.485 --> 01:02:18.805
with the post office here?

1439
01:02:19.905 --> 01:02:22.325
It, it's included on there. It's the second.

1440
01:02:22.725 --> 01:02:23.925
I don't have my glasses on. Oh, oh,

1441
01:02:23.925 --> 01:02:25.365
The third, The third item down.

1442
01:02:25.555 --> 01:02:26.555
Yeah.

1443
01:02:28.235 --> 01:02:29.645
Next time I'll put my glasses on.

1444
01:02:29.675 --> 01:02:33.045
Okay. Okay.

1445
01:02:33.625 --> 01:02:37.005
Uh, financial statement, uh, information only.

1446
01:02:37.025 --> 01:02:38.765
You have nothing on that, right? We good?

1447
01:02:38.765 --> 01:02:41.085
Uh, I got, I got a quick question on that. Go.

1448
01:02:41.225 --> 01:02:42.805
Do we, do you have any info

1449
01:02:42.905 --> 01:02:46.285
or where we stand on getting reimbursed from FEMA

1450
01:02:47.025 --> 01:02:51.205
for the costs on hurricane, the debris removal?

1451
01:02:52.065 --> 01:02:53.885
So all expenses have been submitted

1452
01:02:53.985 --> 01:02:57.405
and there are, um, RPAs, which are the request

1453
01:02:57.405 --> 01:02:59.205
for public assistance that are outstanding.

1454
01:02:59.785 --> 01:03:01.285
Um, it is moving through the process.

1455
01:03:01.945 --> 01:03:04.125
Um, but we do not have reimbursement yet.

1456
01:03:04.255 --> 01:03:07.125
We've seen some projects, um, that have just now started

1457
01:03:07.145 --> 01:03:08.165
to get obligated.

1458
01:03:08.585 --> 01:03:10.925
Um, we have not seen any issues.

1459
01:03:11.355 --> 01:03:13.045
It's just going through the process

1460
01:03:13.305 --> 01:03:15.765
and the volume of claims that FEMA is working through.

1461
01:03:15.985 --> 01:03:18.805
How much is our claim? Do do we know?

1462
01:03:19.685 --> 01:03:22.565
I I imagine you do. I don't know if I do.

1463
01:03:22.765 --> 01:03:24.245
I will email that information out.

1464
01:03:24.245 --> 01:03:26.085
We have a detailed spreadsheet that has the,

1465
01:03:26.225 --> 01:03:28.285
the total amount for each district.

1466
01:03:29.075 --> 01:03:31.125
Okay. If I remember Brittany, uh,

1467
01:03:31.125 --> 01:03:33.565
when we had the last one, we got a reimbursed.

1468
01:03:33.565 --> 01:03:35.965
It took a few years, if I remember, uh,

1469
01:03:35.965 --> 01:03:37.605
before we got the actual fund.

1470
01:03:38.385 --> 01:03:40.965
It did. We're hoping it doesn't take that long,

1471
01:03:41.105 --> 01:03:42.805
but it is, it is.

1472
01:03:42.825 --> 01:03:45.205
We have not run into any roadblocks or anything.

1473
01:03:45.265 --> 01:03:46.365
It is moving through the process.

1474
01:03:46.635 --> 01:03:48.405
Yeah. But that, that was through the process.

1475
01:03:48.505 --> 01:03:49.685
It was almost a couple years.

1476
01:03:50.105 --> 01:03:53.885
So it's not like, you know, need to know. Yeah. Okay.

1477
01:03:54.065 --> 01:03:58.445
Thanks. Next one.

1478
01:03:58.445 --> 01:04:00.325
You got Brittany, you got the DPM

1479
01:04:00.325 --> 01:04:03.405
and you got merg, the merging of Citizens Bank, you know.

1480
01:04:04.065 --> 01:04:05.885
Yes. If you have any questions on those, we're,

1481
01:04:05.885 --> 01:04:06.925
we're happy to address them.

1482
01:04:09.785 --> 01:04:13.685
Is there much of a impact at all with, what is it,

1483
01:04:13.685 --> 01:04:14.965
Suncoast or whoever's Yeah.

1484
01:04:14.965 --> 01:04:17.965
Yeah. Seacoast, Seacoast

1485
01:04:19.465 --> 01:04:21.245
An impact the, the district to us.

1486
01:04:21.825 --> 01:04:23.805
We do have, um, certain accounts

1487
01:04:23.805 --> 01:04:25.925
and I can, uh, let Ms. Leon Norris speak to

1488
01:04:25.925 --> 01:04:27.005
that if you, if you'd like.

1489
01:04:27.265 --> 01:04:30.365
Um, we have certain accounts with CFB, um,

1490
01:04:30.555 --> 01:04:32.205
however, the, the merger,

1491
01:04:32.345 --> 01:04:34.845
we don't anticipate any negative impact

1492
01:04:34.985 --> 01:04:36.005
to that relationship.

1493
01:04:40.675 --> 01:04:41.965
Someone was waiting for this

1494
01:04:43.955 --> 01:04:45.845
Good morning board, Jennifer Lee nor finance.

1495
01:04:46.425 --> 01:04:49.365
Um, yes. It's really just, uh, the business relationship,

1496
01:04:49.465 --> 01:04:51.165
how the operations are gonna change.

1497
01:04:51.265 --> 01:04:55.485
Who are we going to, um, be interacting, um, with, uh,

1498
01:04:55.745 --> 01:04:56.765
now that they're the merger.

1499
01:04:56.945 --> 01:05:00.365
So it, it, it's a, um, district-wide is, there's an impact,

1500
01:05:00.365 --> 01:05:02.205
but it's really just who's gonna be the,

1501
01:05:02.225 --> 01:05:04.005
the new players operationally.

1502
01:05:04.585 --> 01:05:08.045
So, um, that's what I'm concerned with, just to making sure

1503
01:05:08.115 --> 01:05:11.045
that, um, you know, we're, we're able to access,

1504
01:05:11.095 --> 01:05:13.245
we'll we'll always be able to access our funds,

1505
01:05:13.265 --> 01:05:15.285
but just who the players are, you know,

1506
01:05:15.285 --> 01:05:17.340
how we normally operate, how is that gonna change?

1507
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:19.230
So that's what we're, we're really just concerned

1508
01:05:19.230 --> 01:05:21.165
with the, the finance office. Does that make sense?

1509
01:05:21.235 --> 01:05:23.205
Yeah. They're changing in the letterhead. No, I

1510
01:05:24.675 --> 01:05:27.205
Just, operationally their, their website,

1511
01:05:27.425 --> 01:05:28.725
you know, that type of thing.

1512
01:05:29.035 --> 01:05:31.445
Yeah. That we're, we're just trying to make sure that we,

1513
01:05:31.825 --> 01:05:35.245
we know, um, uh, how that's gonna operate

1514
01:05:35.445 --> 01:05:37.365
so there's no disruption in payment.

1515
01:05:37.475 --> 01:05:39.125
Does that makes any sense? Good.

1516
01:05:39.145 --> 01:05:43.005
Thanks. Thank you. Okay.

1517
01:05:43.405 --> 01:05:44.765
District manager reports. Anything else?

1518
01:05:45.105 --> 01:05:46.445
Yes. Just one item to note.

1519
01:05:46.505 --> 01:05:49.565
So Tom Hoskins, who is your primary a RC member,

1520
01:05:49.865 --> 01:05:52.605
he did submit his resignation as your primary.

1521
01:05:53.465 --> 01:05:57.485
Um, we have spoken to Mr. Bruce Levin, who is your alternate

1522
01:05:57.585 --> 01:05:59.805
and who is currently attending all the meetings.

1523
01:06:00.185 --> 01:06:03.205
He, uh, he is interested in taking over that primary role.

1524
01:06:03.625 --> 01:06:06.605
So we'll bring that to you at your August meeting, um,

1525
01:06:06.985 --> 01:06:08.485
for your formal approval

1526
01:06:08.705 --> 01:06:12.325
and direction, which would be if you elect to appoint Mr.

1527
01:06:12.415 --> 01:06:13.445
Levin as your primary

1528
01:06:13.825 --> 01:06:16.045
and then, um, advertise for your,

1529
01:06:16.185 --> 01:06:17.765
the vacant alternate position. Yeah,

1530
01:06:17.875 --> 01:06:18.875
Yeah, yeah.

1531
01:06:19.185 --> 01:06:21.045
Do we, do we need to wait it for a meeting

1532
01:06:21.225 --> 01:06:22.365
or do we just do it now?

1533
01:06:23.025 --> 01:06:25.085
No, you got, you gotta put it on the agenda

1534
01:06:25.145 --> 01:06:26.885
and you gotta have the next month. Yeah,

1535
01:06:26.945 --> 01:06:27.945
We do have it noticed. And you're

1536
01:06:27.945 --> 01:06:29.005
not, like I said, Mr.

1537
01:06:29.055 --> 01:06:30.085
Levin is attending

1538
01:06:30.265 --> 01:06:32.165
and representing the district for all meetings,

1539
01:06:32.225 --> 01:06:34.925
so we haven't had any lapse in, uh, coverage.

1540
01:06:35.195 --> 01:06:37.445
Yeah. That meant that, uh, resident of Tom,

1541
01:06:37.475 --> 01:06:38.605
he'd been doing it for years.

1542
01:06:38.835 --> 01:06:40.165
Yeah. Wow.

1543
01:06:40.385 --> 01:06:44.125
He was a, maybe we should give him a watch or something.

1544
01:06:44.615 --> 01:06:46.965
We're talking about really that guy's doing that for years.

1545
01:06:47.035 --> 01:06:48.885
That resident. Yeah. What a shame.

1546
01:06:49.105 --> 01:06:50.645
He was pretty good too. Yeah.

1547
01:06:50.645 --> 01:06:52.685
If the board would like, we can invite him to a,

1548
01:06:52.845 --> 01:06:55.685
a future meeting and he'd like, like to thank him some,

1549
01:06:55.835 --> 01:06:57.325
Some sort of recognition award.

1550
01:06:57.515 --> 01:06:58.885
Yeah. I think we got like a little clock.

1551
01:06:58.885 --> 01:07:00.365
They give us something, don't it? Can we

1552
01:07:00.365 --> 01:07:01.605
Give that, uh, challenge coins?

1553
01:07:01.605 --> 01:07:02.965
Yeah. Yeah. District challenge points

1554
01:07:02.975 --> 01:07:03.975
Maybe should. 'cause I,

1555
01:07:03.975 --> 01:07:07.005
it has to be, God, I'm doing this 12 years.

1556
01:07:07.085 --> 01:07:10.225
I think he's around as long as I have. Yeah.

1557
01:07:11.005 --> 01:07:13.545
You gotta get something. Holy Christ. Pat our back on.

1558
01:07:13.545 --> 01:07:18.105
He goes so far. Sounds like you're setting up

1559
01:07:18.105 --> 01:07:19.345
for yourself to get something.

1560
01:07:19.415 --> 01:07:20.665
Yeah. What the hell? Why not?

1561
01:07:21.415 --> 01:07:24.065
Yeah, I, I, I can see that one coming.

1562
01:07:24.065 --> 01:07:28.105
Jerry, get the tip is we'll run it by the POA. Yeah. Yeah.

1563
01:07:28.295 --> 01:07:31.665
Yeah. They should be outta business in two years anyway.

1564
01:07:33.285 --> 01:07:35.945
All right, here we go. What a Right. Okay.

1565
01:07:36.085 --> 01:07:37.425
Um, district council.

1566
01:07:37.945 --> 01:07:41.965
Michelle, what do you got, Michelle?

1567
01:07:42.455 --> 01:07:45.885
We'll have any further report for the, for today. Okay.

1568
01:07:45.885 --> 01:07:49.245
Thank you. Thanks. Okay. Now we got supervisor comments.

1569
01:07:49.375 --> 01:07:53.685
Let's start with our PA representative. Mr. Cole.

1570
01:07:54.345 --> 01:07:58.325
Uh, there wasn't too much at the, uh, at the meeting.

1571
01:07:58.945 --> 01:08:01.405
Um, but there were a couple items that I think are,

1572
01:08:01.585 --> 01:08:04.365
are gonna come before us, uh, for discussion.

1573
01:08:04.865 --> 01:08:07.365
One of, and, and I'm not sure when

1574
01:08:07.585 --> 01:08:09.165
and how this will come about,

1575
01:08:09.345 --> 01:08:13.125
but, uh, for the, uh, districts to pick up, um,

1576
01:08:14.215 --> 01:08:17.045
compliance with inside deed restrictions, things

1577
01:08:17.045 --> 01:08:18.045
that are age related.

1578
01:08:19.165 --> 01:08:21.245
I don't know, Brittany, I don't know.

1579
01:08:21.405 --> 01:08:22.965
I mean, there's been some discussion,

1580
01:08:22.965 --> 01:08:26.415
but I don't, I don't know when that comes forward to us

1581
01:08:26.515 --> 01:08:28.895
to be on an agenda for discussion.

1582
01:08:29.275 --> 01:08:30.775
So we're gonna have that conversation

1583
01:08:30.775 --> 01:08:34.695
with your legal counsel, uh, first just to bring her up

1584
01:08:34.695 --> 01:08:37.455
to date with what transpired at some of the other districts,

1585
01:08:37.835 --> 01:08:39.455
and then determine if there's any,

1586
01:08:39.565 --> 01:08:42.415
what opportunities are available, um, to the board.

1587
01:08:42.475 --> 01:08:47.415
And if, if the boards elect to utilize it, it's not a,

1588
01:08:47.475 --> 01:08:49.615
um, requirement per se. Well,

1589
01:08:49.615 --> 01:08:53.095
If this comes for discussion at, at next month's,

1590
01:08:53.135 --> 01:08:54.375
PAI guess I'd like

1591
01:08:54.375 --> 01:08:59.135
to get the input from current supervisors. Um, is

1592
01:08:59.135 --> 01:09:00.415
That, oh, no, it's not.

1593
01:09:00.525 --> 01:09:03.455
It's a numbered district, a residential district,

1594
01:09:03.675 --> 01:09:04.815
um, function.

1595
01:09:04.835 --> 01:09:07.135
It does not fall under project wide advisory committee.

1596
01:09:07.385 --> 01:09:11.255
Right. I I know one of the supervisors brought it up. Yeah.

1597
01:09:11.275 --> 01:09:14.415
But it, it's at the individual district level that

1598
01:09:14.415 --> 01:09:17.055
that decision is made pertaining to deed restrictions.

1599
01:09:17.555 --> 01:09:18.815
So when will that come

1600
01:09:19.845 --> 01:09:22.015
That you thinks we're, so it has come up at some

1601
01:09:22.015 --> 01:09:24.695
of the other boards, but we're going to bring it up to Ms.

1602
01:09:24.895 --> 01:09:26.895
Ragni because it's really, it's coming

1603
01:09:26.895 --> 01:09:28.095
from their legal counsel.

1604
01:09:28.915 --> 01:09:31.855
And so we do, we do wanna share the information,

1605
01:09:31.875 --> 01:09:35.935
but it's coming from their legal counsel, um, to those other

1606
01:09:35.935 --> 01:09:36.935
Boards. So like, uh,

1607
01:09:36.935 --> 01:09:38.135
it will show up in August

1608
01:09:38.235 --> 01:09:41.695
or some, some other time for our kind of thoughts and input.

1609
01:09:41.835 --> 01:09:44.375
Yes. All right. The second, second item, uh,

1610
01:09:44.425 --> 01:09:45.895
definitely is coming.

1611
01:09:46.045 --> 01:09:49.455
It's gonna be on the agenda and that's the amenity cap.

1612
01:09:50.275 --> 01:09:54.015
Um, so I'd like to get the input from the supervisors

1613
01:09:54.535 --> 01:09:56.935
'cause it's gonna be discussed at next month's BW

1614
01:09:57.245 --> 01:09:58.245
Yeah. I, you know,

1615
01:09:58.245 --> 01:09:59.255
you know my opinion.

1616
01:09:59.455 --> 01:10:01.215
I told you I did discuss this, uh,

1617
01:10:01.495 --> 01:10:03.175
a couple months ago at this board meeting.

1618
01:10:03.895 --> 01:10:06.775
I, I, I did. They wanna put, they mean district,

1619
01:10:06.775 --> 01:10:08.735
it started initiated from district four.

1620
01:10:09.275 --> 01:10:12.095
The district one through four initiated through a, a c.

1621
01:10:12.245 --> 01:10:15.295
This idea initiated where, uh, put a cap on it

1622
01:10:15.295 --> 01:10:17.215
and they voted on it and they turned it down.

1623
01:10:17.215 --> 01:10:20.455
They voted again and they wanna put a cap on it.

1624
01:10:20.955 --> 01:10:24.775
The, uh, the village's lawyer, which is stone, uh, said,

1625
01:10:24.935 --> 01:10:27.055
damn, they can't apply the cap.

1626
01:10:27.375 --> 01:10:31.055
I mean, they can't do a cap until PA does it also.

1627
01:10:31.475 --> 01:10:33.135
So PAC has to accept it.

1628
01:10:33.485 --> 01:10:37.255
They have vote on it and right now a c vote on it

1629
01:10:37.275 --> 01:10:41.055
and they wanna put a cap on it, uh, on, on the, uh,

1630
01:10:41.675 --> 01:10:42.695
on the amenity fees.

1631
01:10:42.925 --> 01:10:47.535
Okay. I personally, um, don't think it's sustainable.

1632
01:10:48.375 --> 01:10:51.575
A cap, uh, is for everybody.

1633
01:10:52.115 --> 01:10:54.775
It will last a year or two, and then you have to take it off

1634
01:10:54.805 --> 01:10:56.495
because in our country, cost

1635
01:10:56.495 --> 01:10:58.055
of living is built in our government.

1636
01:10:58.165 --> 01:11:01.775
It's built in. So within a year or two, it's gonna be off.

1637
01:11:01.815 --> 01:11:05.335
It's a bandaid. I don't it, I personally don't think a cap,

1638
01:11:05.555 --> 01:11:07.215
it would work sooner or later.

1639
01:11:07.215 --> 01:11:08.855
You gotta take it off. Okay.

1640
01:11:09.315 --> 01:11:11.095
Uh, I personally, I brought this up

1641
01:11:11.095 --> 01:11:12.295
and I brought this up to Ed

1642
01:11:12.295 --> 01:11:14.165
and at the meeting, I personally, the way

1643
01:11:14.165 --> 01:11:17.605
to do is do an exemption for elderly people go

1644
01:11:17.625 --> 01:11:19.805
by age and income.

1645
01:11:20.715 --> 01:11:21.845
Okay. And

1646
01:11:22.475 --> 01:11:25.925
because now the real, the main reason to put a cap on is

1647
01:11:25.925 --> 01:11:27.445
to help people that are less fortunate.

1648
01:11:27.755 --> 01:11:28.925
Okay. That don't have the money,

1649
01:11:29.665 --> 01:11:31.525
put a cap on everybody for a year.

1650
01:11:32.865 --> 01:11:35.885
All that does it, it makes for good press, you know? Mm-hmm.

1651
01:11:36.025 --> 01:11:38.365
It, it, I don't, I think they're going about it wrong.

1652
01:11:38.485 --> 01:11:40.525
I think a exemption Okay.

1653
01:11:40.855 --> 01:11:42.965
Means, in other words, you are 65,

1654
01:11:43.025 --> 01:11:45.085
you can pick any age you want 65

1655
01:11:45.105 --> 01:11:47.565
and you're at a certain income, whatever the income is,

1656
01:11:47.565 --> 01:11:50.445
you can make it whatever, 30,000 a year, 40,000 a year.

1657
01:11:50.445 --> 01:11:55.125
Then you get a, a fixed amount exemption like you do

1658
01:11:55.125 --> 01:11:56.685
for your, uh, real estate tax.

1659
01:11:57.075 --> 01:11:59.885
That'll work. That'll work. And that's sustainable.

1660
01:12:00.665 --> 01:12:02.685
In other words, two years from now when the cost

1661
01:12:02.685 --> 01:12:04.285
of living goes up, even two, 3%,

1662
01:12:04.665 --> 01:12:06.805
you still gotta raise, take the cap off.

1663
01:12:06.865 --> 01:12:08.045
You gotta sooner or later.

1664
01:12:08.665 --> 01:12:10.285
Um, I think they're going about it wrong.

1665
01:12:10.745 --> 01:12:12.685
And I honestly think it'll work.

1666
01:12:12.705 --> 01:12:15.045
And then Pwac, I think would, maybe

1667
01:12:15.825 --> 01:12:17.645
you remember you got nine people at PA

1668
01:12:17.825 --> 01:12:20.325
and it's hard to get nine p five of 'em to vote together.

1669
01:12:20.665 --> 01:12:23.285
You know? Uh, I honestly think something like

1670
01:12:23.285 --> 01:12:25.045
that would work, honestly.

1671
01:12:25.465 --> 01:12:28.445
And the main reason that to put a cap on it, is

1672
01:12:28.445 --> 01:12:30.165
to help people that are less fortunate.

1673
01:12:30.505 --> 01:12:32.685
And I did bring up that sooner

1674
01:12:32.685 --> 01:12:34.205
or later it might happen to us

1675
01:12:34.715 --> 01:12:38.765
that people now have one pension, two social securities, one

1676
01:12:38.765 --> 01:12:40.565
of them passes away and this is happening.

1677
01:12:40.685 --> 01:12:42.405
'cause I'm here 13 years, all of a sudden,

1678
01:12:42.405 --> 01:12:45.565
and I say they go from, they go from riches

1679
01:12:45.565 --> 01:12:47.885
to res overnight, they lose a pension,

1680
01:12:48.195 --> 01:12:51.045
they lose one social security and they're down to one.

1681
01:12:51.345 --> 01:12:54.165
Now they're down to, uh, one Social security.

1682
01:12:55.105 --> 01:12:58.845
That's why you wanna put a cap on your amenities

1683
01:12:58.865 --> 01:13:00.165
to help them people.

1684
01:13:00.805 --> 01:13:03.765
I personally don't need a damn cap. Okay.

1685
01:13:04.185 --> 01:13:07.725
Uh, especially went for one or two years, you know, 'cause

1686
01:13:08.025 --> 01:13:11.085
and so I think, I think honestly AAC

1687
01:13:11.205 --> 01:13:12.285
c is going about it wrong.

1688
01:13:12.355 --> 01:13:14.885
Just my opinion. It's not sustainable

1689
01:13:15.705 --> 01:13:17.125
and it doesn't help anybody.

1690
01:13:17.545 --> 01:13:19.925
The main, the main, the main reason to have a cap is

1691
01:13:19.925 --> 01:13:21.045
to help the less fortunate.

1692
01:13:21.385 --> 01:13:25.125
And I think maybe a proposal like that to PA

1693
01:13:25.735 --> 01:13:29.525
would be more feasible for them to vote for it,

1694
01:13:29.615 --> 01:13:32.045
which in turn, a, a c would vote for it

1695
01:13:32.075 --> 01:13:35.445
because they came up originally with this cap idea.

1696
01:13:36.675 --> 01:13:38.365
Okay. That's, yeah.

1697
01:13:38.425 --> 01:13:40.205
My, my view, I, I don't like the idea,

1698
01:13:40.645 --> 01:13:43.205
I understand the income aspects of what you're saying,

1699
01:13:44.305 --> 01:13:46.205
but I don't like the idea

1700
01:13:46.305 --> 01:13:48.565
of having income be one of the parameters.

1701
01:13:48.565 --> 01:13:50.245
And the reason I say that is

1702
01:13:50.245 --> 01:13:54.045
because that's going to create a whole lot more bureaucratic

1703
01:13:54.105 --> 01:13:57.885
administration to, to, to manage that.

1704
01:13:59.045 --> 01:14:01.565
'cause you know, this year I'm four.

1705
01:14:01.675 --> 01:14:03.925
Next year I'm, I'm prosperous.

1706
01:14:04.355 --> 01:14:06.605
Does that mean every year you're gonna reevaluate,

1707
01:14:06.605 --> 01:14:08.725
you're gonna look at my income tax to determine it?

1708
01:14:08.785 --> 01:14:10.325
You do it by your W2. Yeah.

1709
01:14:10.405 --> 01:14:13.085
I, I, well, you mean do a W2 W2 doesn't mean squat.

1710
01:14:13.465 --> 01:14:15.405
No, no.

1711
01:14:15.565 --> 01:14:17.365
I mean, if you wanna know, I understand your bank interest.

1712
01:14:17.405 --> 01:14:18.205
I know the people that can

1713
01:14:18.205 --> 01:14:19.365
afford it and the people that can't.

1714
01:14:19.365 --> 01:14:20.925
You've gotta look at their income tax

1715
01:14:20.985 --> 01:14:24.005
and see there's people here making tens

1716
01:14:24.005 --> 01:14:25.045
and hundreds of thousands

1717
01:14:25.045 --> 01:14:26.925
of dollars every year on investment income.

1718
01:14:27.305 --> 01:14:29.805
And they might be only getting 10,000 of social security.

1719
01:14:29.985 --> 01:14:32.125
So at 10,000 they said, oh look it, I need the help.

1720
01:14:32.915 --> 01:14:36.605
Well, screw that. Yeah. But you, you need a guideline.

1721
01:14:36.625 --> 01:14:38.285
You already, you know, you did the exception.

1722
01:14:38.285 --> 01:14:40.365
Now everybody over 65, I mean, what do,

1723
01:14:40.365 --> 01:14:43.645
well I I like the age aspect better than I do the income

1724
01:14:43.645 --> 01:14:46.645
aspect, because that's, well, anything works like that.

1725
01:14:46.665 --> 01:14:48.885
But to do a cap, just an overall

1726
01:14:48.985 --> 01:14:50.565
cap, I hear what you're saying.

1727
01:14:50.565 --> 01:14:52.285
It's not sustainable. It's not, it is not.

1728
01:14:52.285 --> 01:14:56.685
And, and it, it's not, it's a bandaid. No, I, I, I agree.

1729
01:14:56.765 --> 01:14:59.765
A cap's not, and that is, that is done by the way.

1730
01:14:59.765 --> 01:15:02.365
It is done with your, uh, with your, uh, real estate tax.

1731
01:15:02.915 --> 01:15:03.965
They have exception.

1732
01:15:04.065 --> 01:15:06.765
And you know, and every year you put in for the pride year.

1733
01:15:07.125 --> 01:15:09.285
I mean, you're right, it is more work for clerical,

1734
01:15:09.585 --> 01:15:12.445
but that's, you know, I honestly think it worked.

1735
01:15:12.445 --> 01:15:14.605
And you don't do it. You don't do it a percentage.

1736
01:15:14.605 --> 01:15:18.845
You do a fixed amount, like $50, you know, $50 a month

1737
01:15:18.845 --> 01:15:21.805
or 25 a month, $50 a month is $506 a year.

1738
01:15:22.225 --> 01:15:25.685
You know, that's what I'm just saying. I think that helps.

1739
01:15:25.685 --> 01:15:28.365
There's a lot of people in the villages are not doing

1740
01:15:28.365 --> 01:15:29.605
well, I'm telling you.

1741
01:15:29.645 --> 01:15:30.685
I know a lot, maybe

1742
01:15:30.685 --> 01:15:32.965
because I deal with a lot of people with the club.

1743
01:15:33.085 --> 01:15:35.165
I can tell you one day they're doing great,

1744
01:15:35.725 --> 01:15:37.965
somebody passes away, they're not doing so good anymore.

1745
01:15:38.195 --> 01:15:40.125
Yeah. Well that's true. That's true.

1746
01:15:40.305 --> 01:15:42.405
You know, and that's who people wanna help.

1747
01:15:43.865 --> 01:15:47.765
And so Darryl, you're,

1748
01:15:48.385 --> 01:15:50.045
you're not in favor of the cap,

1749
01:15:50.785 --> 01:15:55.405
but possibly looking at some alternative such as some, some,

1750
01:15:55.475 --> 01:15:59.325
some sort of exemption determined by some method?

1751
01:15:59.745 --> 01:16:02.245
No, actually I, I'm okay with a cap,

1752
01:16:02.305 --> 01:16:04.965
but I agree exactly with what Jerry's saying, that in a year

1753
01:16:04.965 --> 01:16:07.125
or two you're gonna have to come and uncap it

1754
01:16:07.125 --> 01:16:10.005
or readdress it because the cap's,

1755
01:16:10.005 --> 01:16:12.285
just the cap's not gonna work for very long.

1756
01:16:13.075 --> 01:16:14.165
Okay. Got it.

1757
01:16:14.305 --> 01:16:17.685
You know, but I, I'm, I'm not in favor of adding a lot

1758
01:16:17.685 --> 01:16:21.165
of administrative costs and overhead to try

1759
01:16:21.165 --> 01:16:23.365
and figure out whether I get a credit or not

1760
01:16:23.545 --> 01:16:24.645
or all that stuff.

1761
01:16:24.705 --> 01:16:27.605
So like, using income age, that's pretty simple.

1762
01:16:27.925 --> 01:16:30.205
I don't have any problem. That makes sense to me.

1763
01:16:30.265 --> 01:16:32.525
But that's, that's not the best parameter either.

1764
01:16:32.595 --> 01:16:34.525
There's a lot of people in the villages

1765
01:16:34.525 --> 01:16:36.805
that are 80 years old, they're doing incredibly well.

1766
01:16:37.315 --> 01:16:38.325
They don't need anything.

1767
01:16:38.745 --> 01:16:40.485
That's why you need some kind of parameter.

1768
01:16:41.275 --> 01:16:43.565
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why you need a parameter.

1769
01:16:43.725 --> 01:16:45.205
I don't, I just don't like the idea

1770
01:16:45.205 --> 01:16:47.925
of adding more administration to manage

1771
01:16:48.505 --> 01:16:49.605
the parameters like that.

1772
01:16:49.885 --> 01:16:51.205
I don't know. They get a raise every year.

1773
01:16:51.265 --> 01:16:54.605
I'm not, you know, have you, you know what I mean?

1774
01:16:54.605 --> 01:16:56.965
You know what I mean? You know, I'm not being too sarcastic,

1775
01:16:56.985 --> 01:16:58.165
but you know, you know,

1776
01:16:58.515 --> 01:17:00.005
sometimes you gotta do a little bit

1777
01:17:00.005 --> 01:17:01.125
more after you come up with

1778
01:17:01.125 --> 01:17:02.125
New money.

1779
01:17:03.355 --> 01:17:04.845
Yeah. Alright.

1780
01:17:05.145 --> 01:17:08.805
My opinion somewhere in between the cap

1781
01:17:10.105 --> 01:17:12.285
Is just a feel good thing.

1782
01:17:12.445 --> 01:17:15.965
I don't see how that's gonna work in two years.

1783
01:17:16.435 --> 01:17:18.845
Everybody would be up in arms when they remove the cap.

1784
01:17:20.025 --> 01:17:23.965
Uh, I do like Jerry's suggestion, uh,

1785
01:17:24.765 --> 01:17:27.725
tapering it to a person's cap

1786
01:17:28.025 --> 01:17:29.805
or ability to pay.

1787
01:17:31.345 --> 01:17:33.325
How we do that, I have no clue.

1788
01:17:34.145 --> 01:17:37.045
But something along that line I think would be better.

1789
01:17:42.485 --> 01:17:44.165
I love breaking storming. It's fine.

1790
01:17:47.635 --> 01:17:49.925
Okay. Alright. Good. I can go with that. Yep.

1791
01:17:50.305 --> 01:17:52.325
Any other questions? Uh, no. I think that's it.

1792
01:17:52.325 --> 01:17:55.525
Everything good? You got anything there? Mr.

1793
01:17:55.705 --> 01:17:59.695
Do any suggestions, comments? Uh, no.

1794
01:17:59.775 --> 01:18:02.215
I ma I made my suggestions, your comments already.

1795
01:18:02.635 --> 01:18:05.295
You run out. Uh, well give me a topic,

1796
01:18:06.285 --> 01:18:07.775
give you a suggestion, a comment.

1797
01:18:08.625 --> 01:18:12.575
Steve. Uh, my only suggestion is to move to a dismiss.

1798
01:18:13.685 --> 01:18:17.815
Okay. All in favor? Aye. We need a second. Yeah.

1799
01:18:17.815 --> 01:18:20.855
What the hell? Thank you. Great. Thank you.