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What louder

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it is time to start our meeting.

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So on roll call and those that all supervised are present.

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So please stand for a pledge

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of allegiance and a moment of silence.

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All I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for,

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And welcome meeting attendees.

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As you know, you can participate in any of our agenda items

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and, uh, you if you wish to participate, uh,

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uh, ahead of time.

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You can do audience comments now,

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but anytime you do so, you have to come to the podium.

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State your name and address where you live.

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Go ahead.

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Good morning, Joseph EO 1642,

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Mel Grove Drive, cottages at Summer.

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Chase a as you can see here, we've got a big turnout.

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It's most, it's a lot of the people here, residents from,

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uh, cottages at summer Chase have a lot of concerns,

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uh, violations.

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Um, being on the arc, first of all, being here 22 years

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as a resident, can't hear me.

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Being here 22 years,

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Being here 22 years,

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and also being an a member, a lot of people come to me

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and, you know, I, we, we talk about rock manual

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and what you can do, what you can't do.

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And I told a lot of the people,

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the residents come to the meeting.

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This is our government. You guys are our government.

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And, uh, if we got concerns, uh, you are the people

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that listen to us and hopefully get

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the concerns taken care of.

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I know the, for the, there's a long list of

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how, how it gets done.

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There's a way it's gotta be done. I understand that.

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Well, anyway, that's why you see a lot

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of people here probably from that,

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but I have a couple of common issues, uh, a couple of 'em,

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uh, being that we're changing the daylight saving time fees

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and standard, there's a light pole now

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you're gonna say called cco.

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There's a light pole on the entrance

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of cottages at Summer Chase that's been tagged for months.

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The streetlight, I mean, village Watch does that, that's

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who does, puts the ribbons on the poles for not working.

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I mean, how long does it take to get stuff done?

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There's a, there's a palm tree with a tag on it

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that's been there for months, not done.

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We have a lot of, uh, common

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landscaping issues in the cottages at Summer Chase.

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That's not being done.

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And I know it's village responsibility

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because I talked to one of the supervisors

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that handles landscape

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and basically one of them said to me,

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we kind of forgot you guys.

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That's what they said. And so we'd like

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to get the common issues.

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Landscaping may be taken care of.

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The, the, the stuff I mentioned, the issue of, uh,

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uh, people under 19 living in the villages in, in the,

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we have some in summer chase, at least one.

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I don't know where that is. It, it kind of like died.

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I haven't heard anything more about it.

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Uh, these are, these are some

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of the things the residents wanna know.

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I mean, some people like to speak, some people don't like

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to speak, but whoever wants to speak,

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they're welcome to speak as you know.

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But that's probably the issues here.

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A lot of violations that they see.

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I see. They see.

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So that's all I have to say right now. Thank you. Okay.

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Thank you for the information. Carrie.

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We do have a, a, a stipulation was there not with, with CCO

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that when we had an outage with a light pole, that they had

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so many hours in which they were supposed to respond,

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Um, part of their cost reduction

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and what the last several months that they did was

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that they were extending that time out.

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Um, if you, if if somebody has the number off of the poll,

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you can go on their website and check the status of it.

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Um, and we can make sure that it's been reported.

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But no, they, they no longer say

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that it will be done within 48 hours.

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And do you have any idea what that timeframe would be?

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Yeah, we received communication from CCO that indicated

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that they were moving

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that timeframe back from Carrie had negotiated down

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to the fact that it was gonna be ours.

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Yeah. And they simply announced,

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CCO simply announced they were moving it back to 30 days.

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So if they, if they miss a poll, if they pass a poll,

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it could be another 30 days.

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So, but this is from, this is from cco,

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and believe me, we have fought CCO

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because when we got word of the huge increases

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for the rental on the, the poles,

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there were individuals from this board who went along

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with all of the other boards to raise hell about it.

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And as a result, there were some cost reductions.

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And one of those cost reductions was the repair

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of the streetlights was gonna be moved back.

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Carrie had gotten it down to a matter of one day

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in several negotiations with cco,

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but they simply announced that in order order

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to save the money 30 days,

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and it was pointed out that if a light gets missed,

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it'll wind up being, it could be as much as 60 days.

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Could you all put your papers up to your ground?

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I just this so we can hear better. Please.

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You can hear this, can't you? Yeah. Okay. How about me?

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I'm next. Uh, my name is Donna Close.

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I live at the cottage of the summer.

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Chase and I have been here

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and here with a lot of our neighbors

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who have a lot of issues.

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Uh, I coincide with what Mr.

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De Mayo has said for a number of things

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regarding landscaping and elder.

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I have questions of who to go to

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when we have, we have a lot of cars

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parked on our streets in the beginning

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of coming in at the end of streets on houses

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that are on the end to make a turn,

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which would probably be impossible

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for an ambulance or a fire truck.

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And they're, I don't know whose responsibility it is

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to tell them that they cannot park on the streets at night.

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And if they can't, they, some of them have three cars,

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two in the driveway and one on the street.

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And I don't know if that's permissible

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or who you go to, to complain about that.

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Another thing is, um, we had an issue,

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uh, regarding pets last year.

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When you have an unruly tenant

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or owner about a dog being loose,

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who do you go to complain to?

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I was told that you had to go

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to the sheriff, is that correct?

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Yes. Do they control when pets are loose at night

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and they're not on a leash?

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There is a leash law here,

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and all the pets have to be on a leash law.

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And that is correct. That is through animal control.

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Through the county. I'm sorry?

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That is through animal control, through Sumter County.

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So we call them and they have to come out. Yes, ma'am.

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Okay. Okay. And I have another question.

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If there has been something approved in our neighborhood

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that a lot of us didn't know was happening, can you

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or who do you go to,

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to fight that approval?

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Can that approval be turned down?

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Uh, do you have to get a petition? Who do you go for that?

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Is that possible to be done?

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Well, all depends on the, the type

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of approval you're talking about.

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Well, some of it, some of it, you know,

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could potentially come here.

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Others could be the county and others.

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Well, one of the issues was regarding painting of, uh, of,

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of a house in our neighborhood.

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It happened a while ago.

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They weren't, they weren't supposed to be painting

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the front of their houses.

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Correct. The brick. Yeah.

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And, um, they called, uh,

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the person called arc,

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and they told that, well, I'm sorry,

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that shouldn't have happened.

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Well, we don't want that to happen again.

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We don't want that to be a precedent in our neighborhood.

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So who do you go to for that?

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Do you go to the arc, the ones that approved it

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or who I don't know.

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We would, we would have to. I'm,

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I'm not really understanding this situation,

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but Mr. Armstrong in the back is raising his hand.

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If you gave him the address of the property

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that you're talking about, he could go through

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and determine what happened

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and then provide guidance on

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the questions that you're asking.

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Okay. And I'm sorry, who was his, what was his name?

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He, Mr. Armstrong. He's raising his hand in the back.

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You can speak with him after the meeting. Okay.

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Is this, is this with regard to painting of the house,

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Painting of the brick, specifically

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brick on the front of the house, putting

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Brick in or changing the painting

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Out? Painting, painting it. And

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it's not supposed to be painted.

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What she's what she's referring to this, excuse me,

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cottages or Summer chase were built

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to mimic the Savannah Center.

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Mm-hmm. Uh, uh, if you, if you ride through cottages

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of summer Chase, you see some have brick front,

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some have design, some have a green roof,

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part of a green roof.

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It was all mimicking the Savannah Center.

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So someone years ago I wasn't on the A board.

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If, if I was on the A board

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and that came about, I would say no, they can't be done

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because of aesthetics.

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But they, they asked her to paint their bordeaux brick white

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who paints Brick white.

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And they, and it got approved

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because they said it's the modern look.

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It's not a modern look.

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We don't want the modern look, we want

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the old Savannah look. So that's,

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It was approved by the A RC.

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That's what she Yeah, that's what she's ver referring to.

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So it was approved,

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but it should not have been approved way back when. That's,

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And they said they made a mistake. So how do you

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Correct it? Why should not have been,

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We don't want that to happen to go forward with that.

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Part of the problem about this is the fact

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that the ARC approved it

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and trying to correct it is next

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to impossible at this point.

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Because there are obviously financial considerations.

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I can tell you that we've, I I've been on the board forever,

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and I can tell you that we've been through circumstances

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where somebody has had a house painted,

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it doesn't match the color palette that's been approved.

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And in fact, they've been ordered

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to have it repainted at their own cost

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because they didn't get approval in the first place.

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Right. From our, but this homeowner obviously got approval,

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and as a result, we may be between a rock

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and a hard place about this

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because the approval was granted.

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And for us to turn around

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and ex post facto deny this

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or turn it down means that there's going

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to be money involved and we'll wind up in a lawsuit over

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this because somebody's gonna wind up looking for the money.

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I, I, believe me, I commiserate with you

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because it shouldn't have happened.

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And as Mr. De Mayo said, it shouldn't have happened. Right.

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But it did. And

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So how do we prevent it from happening

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to other houses there?

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Do we go to the ARC and,

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and tell them that if there was this mistake

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and we don't want it to happen again?

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Absolutely. Yeah. That's the, that is the best.

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That's what you wanna do. That's exactly what you want.

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I that's absolutely what you wanna do. Okay.

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Because they, they either approve or disapprove it,

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and you wanna give them the infor the appropriate

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information, uh, for anything going forward.

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Okay. By all means make your protest known to arc Yeah.

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So that they understand that

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this doesn't fly in the community. Right.

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Right. And I I just have one other thing, um,

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regarding underage living

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in our neighborhood.

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There was a neighbor, uh, complained to the villages

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about this particular incident,

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and they told that they were told

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that it was an internal problem.

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What does that mean? And where do you go and what do you do?

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This, if I may, this issue has come up

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before us over and over again.

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And when they talk about the fact

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that it's an internal problem, part

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of the fact is I don't get to dictate to you

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what color the walls are inside of your house.

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No. I don't get to dictate to you what kind

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of carpet you get to put down.

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I don't get to dictate

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to you about whether grandma can live in your house or not.

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And as a result,

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because this is an in a man's home, is this castle.

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And because of the fact that we can deal with the

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outside the exterior lawn siding, all of that,

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because that does affect everybody else.

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The interior, I,

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I've done a whole lot of research about that.

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And we can't dictate what can happen on the interior

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of the house if somebody's living there.

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But it's in the deed restrictions, I understand it

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that they don't, no one under 30 can live there

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for more than a under 19, under 19 for 30 days.

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But that becomes a problem

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because of the way the deed restriction is written.

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That is enforceable by the developer, not this board.

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Correct. Un up to this point,

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the developer has chosen not to enforce it.

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And we, we, believe me, we've been all over the developer.

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We've sent letters. We have have made protest about this

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because we would like the developer to step up

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and resolve some of these issues the developer

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has chosen not to.

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What good is the deed restrictions if the developer

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doesn't adhere by what they put in?

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So there, there are three parties

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that can enforce deed restrictions.

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The first is the Declarance, which is the developer.

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The second is an affected property owner, which is you

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as a neighbor or somebody living in the, the neighborhood.

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And then the third is, as Supervisor Lazenby stated,

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the district has the ability to adopt rules

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that mirror certain deed restrictions.

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And then they can enforce their rules historically speaking.

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And, and Supervisor Lazenby is correct

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that they only have the ability to enforce

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external deed restrictions.

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However, chapter one 90 also allows them to do those

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through the use.

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Um, and establishing that this is a 55

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and up community, which that does impact that.

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Right. And we presented to the board about two months ago,

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um, information should you want to adopt

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that under 19 into your matrix

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and be able to adopt that rule.

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However, there are so many other considerations that at

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that point the board decided that is not something

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that you wanted to get involved with.

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And it is later on the agenda. And Mr.

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Brianis will be presenting a little bit more information

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when it comes to enforcing those age

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restriction D restrictions.

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Correct. This is gonna sound as though it's,

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doesn't throw much weight.

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But yes, my suggest

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Sounds like being pushed off from one person

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to another. Nothing.

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But my suggestion is that you take, write a letter,

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prepare something, get a bunch of signatures

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and send it to the developer

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because it's the developer's responsibility

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to take care of the issue.

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Right? Yeah.

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If there's a lot of people that have signed that letter

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that shows that, that it's a significant enough issue

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to hopefully to take action.

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On that note, uh, Gail, we are, we're non-anonymous.

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Correct? In other words, we have to give our name to

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Report. Oh, you're going

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to have to, yes.

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Is there anything in the rules saying that we cannot, uh,

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arbitrate something as a group rather than one person?

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Because a lot of people don't wanna make the complaint

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because they're afraid of being targeted as one person.

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There's nothing. Is there anything saying

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that we can't make a complaint as a group?

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Well, what you're gonna have to do is, well, that's really

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for legal counsel to

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Answer. Say that

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That's really for legal counsel

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to answer all of the names.

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All of the names of the participants

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are going to have to be included.

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Yeah. But once again, I mean, in other words, if,

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if it's 20 people who are complaining, 20 people are going

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to have to put their name on that complaint.

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Yeah. That would resolve the possibility

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of somebody coming back to, to go after somebody. So

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To, to legal counsel, mark, is there a problem

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with a group signature for a complaint?

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The complainant, the person that makes the complaint has

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to provide their information.

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Oh, so that could be numeral. Correct.

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You mean multiple 10 people? Correct.

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Okay. Thank you. And I just have one other question.

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Is there anything that, um, says in our restrictions

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or anything that people have to

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pressure wash their driveways?

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And if so, where is it? Sid and who do you go to?

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No, just Holmes. That falls under the knee and clean.

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And if there is a driveway that has a whole bunch of mold

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or mildew, then that would not be neat and clean.

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And if we received a complaint, then we would bring it

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to the board for a public hearing.

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Do we complain here or to who do we complain to?

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To community standards?

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Mr. Armstrong at the back of the room.

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Um, he can provide you with several opportunities of

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how you can file a complaint.

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Okay. Mr. Armstrong? Um, okay,

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Well I'll, um, bill, you want to say what you want?

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Say what? Do you want three minutes bill? Right.

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Oh, I, well, he's going to talk about something

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Else. Sorry guys.

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Sure. Well, we, we went ahead and exceeded the time limit

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because we wanted to hear what was had to be said.

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Good morning. I'm Bill Kam

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and I live in the cottages of Summer Chase.

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We have a somewhat unusual arrangement for the,

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uh, golf carts.

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It's easy to get in.

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And then there was a stretch of street that they have

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to traverse to get to the exit ramp.

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I have helped out numerous people given 'em the directions

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because they wind up going down summer chase

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in the wrong direction.

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One person even tried to get out the gate,

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but fortunately they turned around and I waited for 'em

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and gave 'em the directions.

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I'm wondering if there'd be a way to have an exit sign

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at the exit.

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People might be able to find it a little better. Thank you.

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I will.

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I I'm not familiar with it off the top of my head.

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Would you like district property management

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to look into that?

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Yeah. Okay. We'll add that to old business

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and provide an update next month. Okay.

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Thank you. He may also get his name

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so he could point out exactly where he's talking about

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and where would best benefit them.

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Because I agree with you. I mean, a a sign says a lot. Yeah.

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I used to say that to my students all the time.

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Some of the best signage in the world is Disney.

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I mean, you know exactly where to go.

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And the better you have signs,

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the the least likely

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you're gonna be encountering those people.

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So I, I appreciate your input on that.

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And if you'll talk to those people

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and show 'em where the sign should be,

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I can definitely take that under

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Advice. So, Mr. Harris,

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can you raise your hand, sir?

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If you'll, if you'll go to the gentleman raising his hand

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after the meeting and give him your

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information, that would be great.

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I got another one. I can add a little

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bit to it if you'd like.

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Um, we

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Live, we still got, you have to, you have to give,

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you have to give your name and where you live. Michael

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Braley live at the cottages of summer Chase.

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Our subdivision, or our village is directly across this way.

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Put the, pick the mic up and put it up one level.

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How about this? Is that better? Yeah. Okay.

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So if you picture El Camino, yeah.

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On the other side of the brick wall

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is the street that we're talking about.

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So there's the tunnel that goes from here under,

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and when you come out, you've got a run along

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an unnamed street till you come up to the entrance

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to the tunnel, which you go down and then you can cut in.

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Right? Well, the problem is, first of all,

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there was a white pole, And

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that's been knocked down so many times.

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It's frequently not there.

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So there's no indication that this is where it should go.

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It would be nice to have one way arrows painted on the

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cement and a sign saying, enter only,

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or this way to Savannah.

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Like some of 'em have nice

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directions of what you can get to.

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So something like that would help, but that's where it is.

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Okay. Now, taking that, my

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interest is the gazebo that's on that brick wall.

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We have all these nice, beautiful stately trees

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in the area I just talked about.

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And then you come past that,

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it opens up into a bigger grass area.

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And along the wall there's an opening for a gazebo

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surrounding that are large palm trees

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that provide no shade, provide nothing of any benefit.

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Um, I do drop their fronds frequently.

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And I just was informed that

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the district is no longer responsible

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for picking up the debris from these palm trees.

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So not only are they not any, uh, aesthetic value,

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they're now a detraction.

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So is it possible to petition to get those removed

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and put in some normal deciduous trees

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that would actually add some beauty to the gazebo?

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And who would I talk to? Or do I get a petition?

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What do I do to get this done?

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Where where is the area that you're referring to?

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Right directly across the street.

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Um, where, you know, where, um,

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Ashland Avenue is the last three houses.

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And so across from the middle house,

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there is a gazebo built into the brick wall. Did

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You say Ashley Avenue?

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Ash Land. Ash

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Avenue. Okay. So

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we, we will go and look at that.

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If it's district property, then we would be responsible

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for collecting any type of debris

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that fell onto district property.

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Um, let us go take a look.

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And again, we'll add it, add its old business.

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I don't, we don't generally plant additional

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trees in the area.

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Um, if the board directed us to, we certainly would.

505
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But that's not something that generally you expend the

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maintenance assessment funds are.

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Well, you, you'll go over, you'll, you'll do an assessment

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and see what makes appropriate,

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appropriate sense there. And

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We'll report back next month. Yes, sir. Thank you.

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Just the mail, um, back again.

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Uh, that was one i, I left out that, uh,

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developer built a gazebo on common grounds

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and we frequently, um, have a meeting,

515
00:24:53.345 --> 00:24:56.085
or not a meeting a get together every Wednesday night,

516
00:24:56.185 --> 00:24:57.325
six o'clock mm-hmm.

517
00:24:57.695 --> 00:24:59.725
Seven o'clock. We have to sit on the grass.

518
00:24:59.995 --> 00:25:02.805
There's a gazebo there that's been there for 22 years.

519
00:25:03.175 --> 00:25:05.205
Needs a roof, never been cleaned.

520
00:25:05.745 --> 00:25:08.445
The brickwork, the trees, that's what he's referring to.

521
00:25:08.715 --> 00:25:11.845
It's been neglected for 22 years. It's common.

522
00:25:12.785 --> 00:25:16.045
And we would like to use that. Right. It was there.

523
00:25:17.385 --> 00:25:20.405
We can't use it because it's been neglected, overgrown.

524
00:25:20.825 --> 00:25:24.525
And as far as the trees, the villages land, uh, supervisor

525
00:25:24.525 --> 00:25:28.205
of landscape told me personally, they do not remove,

526
00:25:29.145 --> 00:25:30.885
Not On them palm trees.

527
00:25:30.885 --> 00:25:32.445
They will not take any branches down.

528
00:25:32.445 --> 00:25:35.965
That was told to me by Ryan, supervisor

529
00:25:36.265 --> 00:25:38.245
of District three Landscaping.

530
00:25:38.465 --> 00:25:39.925
So that's different. That's correct.

531
00:25:40.145 --> 00:25:41.805
We do not trim palm trees.

532
00:25:41.945 --> 00:25:44.525
We do not take palm frons down in any area

533
00:25:44.545 --> 00:25:45.965
of the villages from palm trees.

534
00:25:46.505 --> 00:25:49.085
If they have fallen and they are debris on the ground,

535
00:25:49.235 --> 00:25:51.525
then if it's district property management, yes, we,

536
00:25:51.825 --> 00:25:52.885
we take care of that.

537
00:25:53.025 --> 00:25:54.165
But we do not go out

538
00:25:54.165 --> 00:25:58.085
and trim palm trees anywhere in the residential district.

539
00:25:58.675 --> 00:26:00.005
Well, you can go, when you go over

540
00:26:00.005 --> 00:26:01.805
and look, you can take a look at the safety

541
00:26:01.825 --> 00:26:03.125
issues of it and all those things.

542
00:26:03.125 --> 00:26:06.645
Yes sir. Okay. The area they're talking about is district.

543
00:26:06.675 --> 00:26:10.085
It's not, it's across the street on Ashland in

544
00:26:10.085 --> 00:26:11.285
the no homes there.

545
00:26:12.695 --> 00:26:15.045
Right. Okay.

546
00:26:15.555 --> 00:26:17.645
That being said, we'll move on to the next item,

547
00:26:18.535 --> 00:26:21.565
which is our law enforcement quarterly updates.

548
00:26:30.275 --> 00:26:31.765
Good morning. I'm Captain Semer

549
00:26:31.765 --> 00:26:33.285
with the Sumter County Sheriff's Office.

550
00:26:33.575 --> 00:26:35.525
First of all, I'd like to thank you guys for allowing me

551
00:26:35.525 --> 00:26:38.085
to come out here and share our information with you.

552
00:26:38.425 --> 00:26:40.565
And it's good to see a big group here as well today.

553
00:26:40.745 --> 00:26:44.805
So, um, first thing I always start with,

554
00:26:44.805 --> 00:26:47.565
when we do the quarterly law enforcement updates, we like

555
00:26:47.565 --> 00:26:49.485
to talk about the vehicle crashes

556
00:26:49.585 --> 00:26:52.485
and the, um, citations and things of that nature.

557
00:26:52.545 --> 00:26:53.765
So I'll go ahead and begin with that.

558
00:26:54.505 --> 00:26:57.405
Uh, last quarter we had 411 car crashes.

559
00:26:59.015 --> 00:27:02.035
We had 253 car citations.

560
00:27:03.725 --> 00:27:06.225
We had 31 golf cart crashes

561
00:27:06.765 --> 00:27:09.305
and 29 golf cart citations.

562
00:27:10.725 --> 00:27:13.865
Um, since I got a big group of people here, I'd like

563
00:27:13.865 --> 00:27:16.225
to also tell you guys about our mobile app.

564
00:27:16.225 --> 00:27:17.865
If you guys are not familiar with it, uh,

565
00:27:17.965 --> 00:27:20.185
sun County Sheriff's Office does have a mobile app.

566
00:27:20.445 --> 00:27:23.105
We highly recommend that you guys, uh, download it.

567
00:27:23.105 --> 00:27:25.465
There's a lot of fantastic information in there.

568
00:27:25.845 --> 00:27:27.905
Uh, if you look it up, it's going to make sure you get

569
00:27:27.905 --> 00:27:29.385
to one in Florida 'cause there's actually a couple

570
00:27:29.445 --> 00:27:30.945
Sumter counties within the country.

571
00:27:31.125 --> 00:27:33.985
So, um, uh, a lot of great stuff.

572
00:27:34.085 --> 00:27:36.025
It talks about traffic, talks about crime.

573
00:27:36.605 --> 00:27:38.465
Uh, there's a button on there that you can pull up our

574
00:27:38.465 --> 00:27:40.425
county and see what's going on as far as

575
00:27:40.425 --> 00:27:41.465
what the deputies are doing.

576
00:27:41.965 --> 00:27:44.505
Uh, what kind of crime is involved. I will tell you this.

577
00:27:44.525 --> 00:27:46.585
If you look at the map, there's a big red spot

578
00:27:46.585 --> 00:27:47.665
over top of Bushnell.

579
00:27:47.785 --> 00:27:49.425
Bushnell is our county seat.

580
00:27:50.165 --> 00:27:52.905
It is not crime ridden, it's just where our jail is located.

581
00:27:53.085 --> 00:27:56.065
So where we bring everybody.

582
00:27:57.645 --> 00:28:01.545
Um, other than that, I do wanna give a shout out

583
00:28:01.545 --> 00:28:02.945
to community watch as well.

584
00:28:03.245 --> 00:28:04.465
On September 16th,

585
00:28:04.575 --> 00:28:06.985
they actually stopped the burglary, which was fantastic.

586
00:28:07.125 --> 00:28:09.425
It was late at night. They were driving around.

587
00:28:09.425 --> 00:28:11.505
They had to see some suspicious activity going

588
00:28:11.505 --> 00:28:12.665
around with Spanish Springs.

589
00:28:13.125 --> 00:28:15.505
Uh, they backed off just exactly what they were supposed

590
00:28:15.505 --> 00:28:17.265
to do and they called law enforcement.

591
00:28:17.405 --> 00:28:18.825
Uh, law enforcement showed up

592
00:28:19.005 --> 00:28:21.345
and people were actually stealing construction materials.

593
00:28:21.405 --> 00:28:23.945
Uh, anytime community watch gets involved in, uh,

594
00:28:23.975 --> 00:28:25.785
does something great, I always like to bring it

595
00:28:25.785 --> 00:28:27.345
to everybody's attention that it did happen.

596
00:28:28.585 --> 00:28:30.545
I will tell you that Suffolk County is a very

597
00:28:30.575 --> 00:28:31.825
safe community to live in.

598
00:28:32.005 --> 00:28:33.985
And villages included, uh,

599
00:28:34.205 --> 00:28:36.425
or violent crime rate is almost nothing.

600
00:28:36.845 --> 00:28:40.545
Uh, but we do have issues just like everybody else does.

601
00:28:40.605 --> 00:28:42.305
Our two biggest issues that we have

602
00:28:42.845 --> 00:28:44.145
are crimes of opportunity.

603
00:28:44.275 --> 00:28:46.145
Which means if you go to the one

604
00:28:46.145 --> 00:28:47.425
of the squares in your golf cart

605
00:28:47.425 --> 00:28:49.105
and you leave your cell phone in the cup holder

606
00:28:49.105 --> 00:28:50.505
or something of that nature and you come back

607
00:28:50.565 --> 00:28:52.585
and might be gone or your purse

608
00:28:52.765 --> 00:28:55.105
or something like that, uh, we ask you

609
00:28:55.105 --> 00:28:56.505
to do our nine o'clock routine.

610
00:28:56.565 --> 00:28:58.265
If you follow us on Facebook, uh,

611
00:28:58.445 --> 00:29:00.145
we talk about a nine o'clock routine,

612
00:29:00.235 --> 00:29:02.425
which they shut your garage doors at night.

613
00:29:02.425 --> 00:29:03.865
Make sure you lock your vehicles up

614
00:29:03.865 --> 00:29:06.465
and take the valuables out of it from time to time.

615
00:29:06.465 --> 00:29:09.145
We do have some people from outside of the villages.

616
00:29:09.145 --> 00:29:11.105
We'll come through and walk through our neighborhoods

617
00:29:11.205 --> 00:29:12.345
and check on car doors.

618
00:29:12.805 --> 00:29:13.905
If they find a car door

619
00:29:13.905 --> 00:29:15.505
that is unlocked, they will rummage through it.

620
00:29:15.505 --> 00:29:17.145
They'll take your sunglasses, your change.

621
00:29:17.565 --> 00:29:20.105
If you leave a firearm in it, they will take the firearm.

622
00:29:20.645 --> 00:29:22.065
And if you leave your keys in it,

623
00:29:22.245 --> 00:29:24.185
that's when they stop going in cars.

624
00:29:24.425 --> 00:29:26.185
'cause they wanna go for a joy ride at this point in time.

625
00:29:26.185 --> 00:29:27.505
We'll have to find your car later on

626
00:29:27.505 --> 00:29:29.185
that afternoon or that morning.

627
00:29:30.365 --> 00:29:32.665
Uh, so those are kind of crimes of opportunities.

628
00:29:32.805 --> 00:29:34.825
The other thing, big problems that we do have,

629
00:29:34.845 --> 00:29:36.265
and this is a nationwide problem,

630
00:29:36.365 --> 00:29:39.745
not just a Sumter County problem is scams.

631
00:29:40.425 --> 00:29:42.285
I could tell you if you didn't play the Nigerian lottery,

632
00:29:42.345 --> 00:29:43.725
you didn't win the Nigerian lottery.

633
00:29:44.385 --> 00:29:46.365
If you ever get anything that you just don't,

634
00:29:46.595 --> 00:29:49.005
doesn't seem right to you, please contact us.

635
00:29:49.145 --> 00:29:50.725
We have a handful of detectives.

636
00:29:51.275 --> 00:29:53.285
We'd love to run it down the, uh, pike for you

637
00:29:53.285 --> 00:29:54.525
and find out what's going on

638
00:29:54.985 --> 00:29:56.645
and, uh, let you know if it's legitimate.

639
00:29:56.645 --> 00:29:58.125
Right now we're having a lot of people

640
00:29:58.125 --> 00:29:59.845
that are win winning millions

641
00:29:59.845 --> 00:30:01.965
and millions of dollars in different types of, uh,

642
00:30:02.235 --> 00:30:03.805
they had a loved one that passed away

643
00:30:03.805 --> 00:30:05.565
that lives somewhere else that they never knew about.

644
00:30:05.585 --> 00:30:06.805
And they left all this money.

645
00:30:06.825 --> 00:30:09.085
And please contact this lawyer's office.

646
00:30:09.445 --> 00:30:11.605
'cause uh, we wanna, we wanna get you all this money.

647
00:30:12.105 --> 00:30:15.205
Uh, they want you to pay a fee up front so it'll tell you,

648
00:30:15.205 --> 00:30:17.365
Hey, you won, or you're gonna end up with millions

649
00:30:17.365 --> 00:30:20.445
of dollars, but you gotta pay a $5,000 fee.

650
00:30:20.945 --> 00:30:22.885
Uh, a lot of times they'll ask you

651
00:30:22.885 --> 00:30:25.765
for things like gift cards or something of that nature.

652
00:30:25.905 --> 00:30:27.085
That's definitely a scam.

653
00:30:27.085 --> 00:30:28.845
Please keep, uh, keep that in mind.

654
00:30:29.345 --> 00:30:31.405
Uh, they'll tell you, you have to pay the fee.

655
00:30:31.405 --> 00:30:33.205
You have to go buy gift cards at Home Depot

656
00:30:33.305 --> 00:30:34.845
or Lowe's or something of that nature.

657
00:30:35.545 --> 00:30:37.165
Uh, they ask you, then you're gonna go

658
00:30:37.165 --> 00:30:39.085
to the sheriff's office and turn those cards in.

659
00:30:39.545 --> 00:30:42.005
But they ask you, once you get 'em to give us a call,

660
00:30:42.085 --> 00:30:44.285
I want you to take pictures of both sides of those cards

661
00:30:44.385 --> 00:30:46.605
to make sure that you did get 'em

662
00:30:46.605 --> 00:30:47.925
to verify that you got 'em.

663
00:30:48.025 --> 00:30:50.245
And then go to the local andex or sheriff's department

664
00:30:50.245 --> 00:30:53.245
or wherever you may go and meet with law enforcement.

665
00:30:53.435 --> 00:30:55.205
Most people will say, well, I'm going

666
00:30:55.205 --> 00:30:57.285
to a law enforcement, uh, facility.

667
00:30:57.445 --> 00:30:58.925
I guess it's a good thing to do.

668
00:30:59.545 --> 00:31:01.645
The problem with that is when you take those pictures

669
00:31:01.645 --> 00:31:03.285
of those cards, you don't actually have

670
00:31:03.285 --> 00:31:04.925
to have them cards in your possession

671
00:31:04.925 --> 00:31:06.205
to take that money off of it.

672
00:31:06.465 --> 00:31:09.365
You just need the 17 digit number that's on the back of it.

673
00:31:09.365 --> 00:31:12.485
You can electronically take that, uh, money off of there.

674
00:31:12.945 --> 00:31:16.045
Uh, a lot of times they'll tell you to go to, uh, somewhere

675
00:31:16.155 --> 00:31:18.725
with cash and put it into a Bitcoin machine.

676
00:31:18.795 --> 00:31:21.285
That is definitely a big red flag for a scam.

677
00:31:22.045 --> 00:31:23.525
'cause once you put your money in that thing,

678
00:31:23.585 --> 00:31:25.765
all you need is your pin number and your account number

679
00:31:26.265 --> 00:31:27.805
and the money will be gone.

680
00:31:27.905 --> 00:31:29.845
So kind of keep that kind of stuff in mind.

681
00:31:30.545 --> 00:31:34.685
Uh, beware of uh, phone calls, emails,

682
00:31:34.825 --> 00:31:35.885
things of that nature.

683
00:31:36.145 --> 00:31:39.885
But, and if you ever get anything that's unusual like

684
00:31:39.885 --> 00:31:41.165
that, please call us.

685
00:31:41.315 --> 00:31:42.605
We'd love to talk to you about it.

686
00:31:42.895 --> 00:31:45.085
We've probably already seen that scam before.

687
00:31:45.465 --> 00:31:47.485
And if you download our app inside of our app,

688
00:31:47.485 --> 00:31:49.725
we actually have a scam button, the scam.

689
00:31:49.725 --> 00:31:51.005
But you could touch that button

690
00:31:51.025 --> 00:31:52.765
and it'll pop up with all of the,

691
00:31:52.865 --> 00:31:54.925
the recent scams that we know about.

692
00:31:55.385 --> 00:31:56.605
And you guys, as the people,

693
00:31:56.745 --> 00:31:58.845
you guys can actually submit scams as well.

694
00:31:59.345 --> 00:32:01.085
So you'll submit something that you get,

695
00:32:01.085 --> 00:32:02.325
that you believe is a scam.

696
00:32:02.865 --> 00:32:05.525
One of our white collar crime detectives will actually run

697
00:32:05.525 --> 00:32:08.045
it through the rabbit hole and make sure it truly is a scam.

698
00:32:08.625 --> 00:32:10.885
If it is, they'll post it for all of you guys

699
00:32:10.985 --> 00:32:12.325
so you guys can read about it.

700
00:32:12.625 --> 00:32:15.205
We highly recommend that you sit down maybe a couple times a

701
00:32:15.205 --> 00:32:17.605
week and just kinda read through that stuff to see

702
00:32:17.605 --> 00:32:19.445
what the new scams are that way, uh,

703
00:32:19.665 --> 00:32:20.845
and share it with your neighbors

704
00:32:20.845 --> 00:32:23.005
as well in case they don't know about as well.

705
00:32:23.395 --> 00:32:25.525
Last thing we want is people to give away all their money.

706
00:32:25.785 --> 00:32:28.605
So, but that's all I really have.

707
00:32:28.605 --> 00:32:30.125
Unless somebody has any questions for me.

708
00:32:30.805 --> 00:32:31.965
I won't take up any more of your time.

709
00:32:32.395 --> 00:32:35.805
I've got, I've got one question for you, Bob. Yes.

710
00:32:36.745 --> 00:32:38.765
The golf cart citations, what's the,

711
00:32:39.235 --> 00:32:41.485
What is the number one reason for a citation?

712
00:32:42.265 --> 00:32:45.565
Uh, most of it is distracted driving,

713
00:32:45.565 --> 00:32:47.445
running stop signs, things like that.

714
00:32:47.525 --> 00:32:48.525
I kind of perused through 'em.

715
00:32:48.525 --> 00:32:49.965
I didn't, I, there's a lot

716
00:32:49.965 --> 00:32:51.325
of data there that I had to look through.

717
00:32:51.745 --> 00:32:53.645
But, uh, running stop signs is a big one.

718
00:32:53.645 --> 00:32:54.685
We've had a couple of 'em that were

719
00:32:54.925 --> 00:32:55.965
speeding golf carts as well.

720
00:32:56.625 --> 00:32:58.125
And keep that in mind as well.

721
00:32:58.305 --> 00:32:59.605
If I get enough time. Do I? Enough time.

722
00:32:59.905 --> 00:33:02.565
Go ahead. Go Ahead. Okay. Um, uh, speeding.

723
00:33:02.565 --> 00:33:04.405
Golf carts, a golf cart. Can't go.

724
00:33:04.545 --> 00:33:06.245
Not supposed to go over 20 miles an hour.

725
00:33:06.705 --> 00:33:09.045
If you're caught riding on the roadways in a golf cart,

726
00:33:09.075 --> 00:33:10.645
more, more than 20 miles an hour,

727
00:33:10.675 --> 00:33:12.085
it's actually a criminal citation.

728
00:33:12.145 --> 00:33:14.045
You will have to go in front of a judge to explain

729
00:33:14.045 --> 00:33:16.205
to him why you're going as fast

730
00:33:16.285 --> 00:33:17.645
as you were going in that golf cart.

731
00:33:17.745 --> 00:33:19.885
So please, those, those of you that, uh,

732
00:33:20.135 --> 00:33:21.605
speed up your golf cart to go a little

733
00:33:21.605 --> 00:33:23.245
faster. But please don't do that.

734
00:33:23.785 --> 00:33:25.285
You were hit the two things I was

735
00:33:25.285 --> 00:33:26.445
going to actually ask about.

736
00:33:26.595 --> 00:33:30.885
Okay. The one portion is gliding through stop signs.

737
00:33:31.435 --> 00:33:33.285
Happens all the time. Absolutely.

738
00:33:33.625 --> 00:33:35.205
But now I want to go to the other part.

739
00:33:36.005 --> 00:33:38.845
I see it with bicycles all the time.

740
00:33:39.565 --> 00:33:40.565
Absolutely. And if we see that

741
00:33:40.565 --> 00:33:41.765
we'll take appropriate actions.

742
00:33:41.895 --> 00:33:43.765
We're, we're very proactive out here

743
00:33:43.765 --> 00:33:44.845
with our law enforcement.

744
00:33:45.205 --> 00:33:47.725
I know this year with our budget, uh, we just got approved.

745
00:33:48.225 --> 00:33:50.285
Um, well it's already in effect now,

746
00:33:50.285 --> 00:33:52.965
but, uh, we are going to increase our traffic unit.

747
00:33:53.385 --> 00:33:55.245
Um, 'cause I think the biggest complaint

748
00:33:55.245 --> 00:33:58.645
that we get is speeders and traffic violations as well.

749
00:33:58.705 --> 00:34:00.605
So we are trying to beef up

750
00:34:00.605 --> 00:34:02.205
and make our traffic unit larger than

751
00:34:02.205 --> 00:34:03.525
what it has been in the years past.

752
00:34:03.905 --> 00:34:05.285
We have done a remarkable job.

753
00:34:05.525 --> 00:34:07.485
I mean, we've, we're just not too long ago.

754
00:34:07.485 --> 00:34:09.925
We, our traffic unit has actually doubled in size.

755
00:34:10.465 --> 00:34:12.565
So we're, we're definitely getting to

756
00:34:12.565 --> 00:34:13.605
where we, we should be.

757
00:34:13.635 --> 00:34:15.525
Just bear with us. We're doing the best we can

758
00:34:15.745 --> 00:34:16.745
See. This is one where

759
00:34:16.745 --> 00:34:20.085
I, I think that a couple of citations

760
00:34:20.085 --> 00:34:21.765
with the bicyclists, and I'm not picking

761
00:34:21.785 --> 00:34:22.805
on the bicycle clubs.

762
00:34:23.755 --> 00:34:27.885
They're wonderful. But a couple of citations for gliding

763
00:34:27.885 --> 00:34:30.565
through the stop signs and getting it publicized

764
00:34:31.195 --> 00:34:32.885
will do a lot to stop the problem.

765
00:34:34.245 --> 00:34:36.605
Absolutely. I got, I I almost hit one

766
00:34:36.715 --> 00:34:40.005
that scared the hell out of me when I'm, you know, right

767
00:34:40.005 --> 00:34:42.325
around the corner and, okay.

768
00:34:43.305 --> 00:34:45.685
So Yeah, you gotta be defensive here.

769
00:34:46.245 --> 00:34:48.325
Absolutely. I've driven all, I've driven in Europe.

770
00:34:48.475 --> 00:34:49.965
I've driven all over the US

771
00:34:50.025 --> 00:34:52.805
and there, there are two places I am the most

772
00:34:52.805 --> 00:34:55.165
defensive, uh, driver.

773
00:34:55.425 --> 00:34:58.285
One is Boston because of how it was structurally built.

774
00:34:58.635 --> 00:35:01.245
Yeah. Started small and then expanded

775
00:35:01.385 --> 00:35:03.085
and expanded in the streets and roads.

776
00:35:03.085 --> 00:35:07.165
Never, uh, were designed appropriately for the expansion.

777
00:35:07.185 --> 00:35:08.405
And the second one is here.

778
00:35:09.165 --> 00:35:10.325
Absolutely, absolutely.

779
00:35:10.385 --> 00:35:11.405
Be careful driving guys

780
00:35:11.425 --> 00:35:13.085
and slow down a little bit there. Yeah.

781
00:35:13.225 --> 00:35:17.325
Yes sir. Have you seen that, that, uh, the FedEx scam?

782
00:35:17.785 --> 00:35:21.005
The FedEx scam? Uh, we're having people come

783
00:35:21.005 --> 00:35:22.325
to pick up packages once in a while.

784
00:35:22.375 --> 00:35:23.845
Front doors that we talked about. Well, they

785
00:35:23.845 --> 00:35:26.325
Come actually, apparently it's been going on

786
00:35:26.325 --> 00:35:27.645
for quite a nu quite a while.

787
00:35:27.645 --> 00:35:29.605
But I just, I finally just got one,

788
00:35:30.045 --> 00:35:32.085
I got a text purportedly from FedEx

789
00:35:32.225 --> 00:35:33.765
and of course they don't have my telephone number.

790
00:35:34.205 --> 00:35:37.565
Absolutely. Uh, and said that I was not there for delivery

791
00:35:37.565 --> 00:35:39.445
of a package that needed my signature.

792
00:35:40.905 --> 00:35:44.005
And uh, if you look, they, they wanted you

793
00:35:44.005 --> 00:35:45.045
to click on a link Sure.

794
00:35:45.045 --> 00:35:46.645
Through a schedule. Of course you don't do it. Don't

795
00:35:47.205 --> 00:35:48.205
Actually, Don't click on the link. Actually, it

796
00:35:48.205 --> 00:35:52.285
actually, the a address was www.fedex.com

797
00:35:52.705 --> 00:35:54.325
but then there was a dash

798
00:35:54.425 --> 00:35:56.925
and some other things added to it so it wasn't real.

799
00:35:57.565 --> 00:35:59.805
Absolutely. And I actually just stopped at FedEx office up

800
00:35:59.805 --> 00:36:02.245
to, to talk to 'em about it because I knew it wasn't real.

801
00:36:02.745 --> 00:36:07.285
And they say it happens about every number of them.

802
00:36:08.005 --> 00:36:09.725
Absolutely. And I just got an email the other day saying

803
00:36:09.725 --> 00:36:12.245
that my package was unable to be delivered through FedEx

804
00:36:12.505 --> 00:36:13.965
as well and they needed

805
00:36:14.045 --> 00:36:15.805
to verify my address and stuff like that.

806
00:36:15.895 --> 00:36:17.245
Don't, don't click on that kind

807
00:36:17.245 --> 00:36:18.245
Stuff. Don't click on any of those

808
00:36:18.245 --> 00:36:18.925
links. Yep.

809
00:36:19.365 --> 00:36:21.405
I, I tell anybody you get anything like that.

810
00:36:22.155 --> 00:36:24.405
Best thing to do is if you want to confirm anything,

811
00:36:25.105 --> 00:36:26.725
get the actual telephone number

812
00:36:27.325 --> 00:36:27.765
Absolutely. Of

813
00:36:27.765 --> 00:36:31.285
The, the place and then call them or go visit them.

814
00:36:31.345 --> 00:36:32.965
But don't click on the links.

815
00:36:33.565 --> 00:36:36.005
Absolutely. I got a phone call not too long ago from my

816
00:36:36.005 --> 00:36:37.205
credit card company saying it was

817
00:36:37.205 --> 00:36:38.725
fraudulent activity on my credit card.

818
00:36:38.845 --> 00:36:41.485
I hung up on 'em and I pulled my credit card outta my pocket

819
00:36:41.505 --> 00:36:42.925
and I called that number 'cause I know

820
00:36:42.925 --> 00:36:44.365
that's a good verified number

821
00:36:44.945 --> 00:36:46.965
and sure enough, somebody bought $2,000 worth

822
00:36:46.965 --> 00:36:48.845
of hearing aids on my credit card up in

823
00:36:48.845 --> 00:36:50.485
North Carolina or something. Yeah.

824
00:36:50.985 --> 00:36:54.325
You get those said Wow. Yes sir.

825
00:36:55.575 --> 00:36:57.845
Since, uh, you're indicating

826
00:36:57.845 --> 00:36:59.965
that you're expanding the traffic division

827
00:37:00.145 --> 00:37:01.565
or whatever you called it.

828
00:37:01.705 --> 00:37:06.525
Uh, um, so will you be taking the responsibility

829
00:37:06.825 --> 00:37:11.445
for, uh, cost, the Costco, Wedgwood,

830
00:37:12.295 --> 00:37:13.925
Tonka, et cetera areas?

831
00:37:14.385 --> 00:37:16.325
Or is that still Bradley Arnold

832
00:37:16.625 --> 00:37:18.405
and I can't remember her name.

833
00:37:18.665 --> 00:37:20.365
Uh, the woman that works for him.

834
00:37:21.185 --> 00:37:23.525
Uh, anything traffic related, we take care of that.

835
00:37:23.625 --> 00:37:25.725
Uh, as far as law enforcement related, uh,

836
00:37:25.725 --> 00:37:26.965
traffic enforcement stuff

837
00:37:26.965 --> 00:37:28.365
that Suffolk County Sheriff's Office

838
00:37:28.485 --> 00:37:29.725
takes care of that. Yeah.

839
00:37:30.105 --> 00:37:31.125
And you remember they're also,

840
00:37:31.125 --> 00:37:33.085
they're gonna do another traffic study in February.

841
00:37:33.515 --> 00:37:35.085
Well, yeah, yeah. That kind of stuff.

842
00:37:35.085 --> 00:37:37.005
Now we're talking about studies and things like that.

843
00:37:37.035 --> 00:37:38.485
That would be the county not

844
00:37:38.485 --> 00:37:39.485
Talking about that. I

845
00:37:39.485 --> 00:37:43.405
just wanna know who we're, we should be going to now,

846
00:37:43.405 --> 00:37:45.365
should we go to your office?

847
00:37:45.865 --> 00:37:47.205
Oh, annex et is that

848
00:37:47.205 --> 00:37:48.205
Correct? Absolutely.

849
00:37:48.205 --> 00:37:50.285
If you guys have any traffic complaints at all,

850
00:37:50.305 --> 00:37:51.965
please feel free to call my office

851
00:37:52.065 --> 00:37:54.085
and uh, we'll I'll send somebody out there

852
00:37:54.085 --> 00:37:55.565
and we'll evaluate what's going on.

853
00:37:55.565 --> 00:37:58.645
If I have a, a digital sign that I'll more than happy

854
00:37:58.645 --> 00:38:00.525
to put it out there if we can find a spot for it.

855
00:38:00.745 --> 00:38:02.925
Uh, a lot of the residential roads, we're unable to do that

856
00:38:02.925 --> 00:38:04.565
because there's nothing but, uh,

857
00:38:05.205 --> 00:38:06.605
personal residence is all the way down

858
00:38:06.605 --> 00:38:07.645
the street, so it's kind of tough.

859
00:38:07.645 --> 00:38:09.765
So I have to do that with actual deputies,

860
00:38:09.865 --> 00:38:12.365
but if I can, we will, uh, definitely work on it.

861
00:38:12.365 --> 00:38:13.365
We do it all the time.

862
00:38:14.475 --> 00:38:16.285
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Alright.

863
00:38:16.975 --> 00:38:18.685
Thank you for your time. I wanna thank you guys

864
00:38:18.685 --> 00:38:20.125
for letting me come out here today and talk to you.

865
00:38:20.125 --> 00:38:21.685
I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank

866
00:38:21.685 --> 00:38:22.045
You. You

867
00:38:22.795 --> 00:38:25.005
Paul, you have a question, fellow in the back?

868
00:38:25.195 --> 00:38:26.365
Yeah. Thank you

869
00:38:26.365 --> 00:38:31.045
Captain mean the case.

870
00:38:31.055 --> 00:38:34.085
We'll move on to our, pardon me.

871
00:38:34.085 --> 00:38:36.805
Next agenda item, which is, uh, a new business.

872
00:38:37.935 --> 00:38:41.965
First is the approval of the September 12th, 2025 minutes.

873
00:38:42.305 --> 00:38:46.405
So move second. All in favor? Aye.

874
00:38:46.715 --> 00:38:51.405
None opposed. And now I'll move on to public hearings.

875
00:38:52.105 --> 00:38:54.765
Yes, sir. Mr. Armstrong is making his way up

876
00:38:54.985 --> 00:38:56.965
and the first public hearing will be adoption

877
00:38:56.965 --> 00:38:59.725
of resolution 2026 dash zero one.

878
00:39:04.875 --> 00:39:07.045
Good morning, board matter, Armstrong Community Standards.

879
00:39:07.155 --> 00:39:08.205
Good morning. So

880
00:39:08.205 --> 00:39:11.885
before you today, we do have resolution 2026 dash zero

881
00:39:12.065 --> 00:39:13.205
one amending your rule.

882
00:39:15.185 --> 00:39:17.365
Two months ago, you, uh, you authorized

883
00:39:17.365 --> 00:39:19.165
for the advertisement of this rule amendment

884
00:39:19.465 --> 00:39:20.525
and last month we

885
00:39:20.725 --> 00:39:22.325
provided a draft sample of

886
00:39:22.325 --> 00:39:24.285
what the rule amendments would look like.

887
00:39:26.865 --> 00:39:28.925
The rule amendment would cover two areas.

888
00:39:29.185 --> 00:39:31.645
One is we are adding to the, uh, areas

889
00:39:31.645 --> 00:39:33.205
that we are capable of cleaning up.

890
00:39:33.625 --> 00:39:36.485
So, uh, if there's rogue v Grove, let's say there's a house

891
00:39:36.515 --> 00:39:39.565
that is, uh, bank owned and,

892
00:39:40.305 --> 00:39:42.405
and the homeowner's no longer around

893
00:39:42.985 --> 00:39:44.845
and there's Virginia Creeper growing up the side

894
00:39:44.845 --> 00:39:47.005
of the house, we would be able to be authorized

895
00:39:47.005 --> 00:39:48.205
to go on there if it ever came

896
00:39:48.205 --> 00:39:51.125
before you in a public hearing to maintain that space

897
00:39:51.145 --> 00:39:53.445
by spraying those types of rug bin growth,

898
00:39:54.025 --> 00:39:55.125
um, on the property.

899
00:39:55.235 --> 00:39:57.325
Another one would be, same exact example.

900
00:39:57.335 --> 00:39:59.245
Let's say there were pine palm trees

901
00:39:59.665 --> 00:40:02.205
and they were dropping palm fronts all over the grounds.

902
00:40:02.265 --> 00:40:05.325
We would be able underneath the order of enforcement

903
00:40:05.325 --> 00:40:06.605
to go on there and be able to clean up

904
00:40:06.605 --> 00:40:08.965
that debris from the property that's on the ground

905
00:40:08.965 --> 00:40:10.005
and be able to remove it

906
00:40:10.005 --> 00:40:11.565
to get back into a neat and clean manner.

907
00:40:12.265 --> 00:40:14.965
The second component was that we were looking to,

908
00:40:17.505 --> 00:40:19.725
We were looking to enforce the entire neat

909
00:40:19.725 --> 00:40:21.045
and clean rule at one time.

910
00:40:21.705 --> 00:40:25.165
So in this example it is, um, we have somebody

911
00:40:25.165 --> 00:40:28.165
that calls in a property and they say the grass is tall

912
00:40:28.185 --> 00:40:29.485
and there's weeds on the property.

913
00:40:29.745 --> 00:40:31.725
And we ask, is there anything else that's, that

914
00:40:31.725 --> 00:40:33.405
that's a concern as far as neat and clean goes.

915
00:40:33.405 --> 00:40:35.165
When we go over, is there pressure washing that's needed?

916
00:40:35.225 --> 00:40:38.245
Is the hedges overgrown? Is there the road buying growth?

917
00:40:38.545 --> 00:40:39.885
Is there anything on there that needs to be done?

918
00:40:40.065 --> 00:40:41.405
And they say, Nope, I just drive by it.

919
00:40:41.405 --> 00:40:42.325
I just see the neat and clean.

920
00:40:42.525 --> 00:40:43.645
I just see the tall grass and weeds.

921
00:40:43.665 --> 00:40:44.725
We go, okay, thank you very much.

922
00:40:44.825 --> 00:40:47.605
But when we get there, the hedges are over top

923
00:40:47.605 --> 00:40:48.765
of the eaves of the, of the roof.

924
00:40:48.825 --> 00:40:51.445
The, there's algae growth on the driveway.

925
00:40:51.905 --> 00:40:53.925
Um, there's also the grass and the weeds,

926
00:40:54.585 --> 00:40:56.965
and we can only address the tall grass and weeds.

927
00:40:56.965 --> 00:40:58.445
We can't address the other concerns,

928
00:40:58.545 --> 00:41:00.045
but it's the same exact rule.

929
00:41:00.305 --> 00:41:02.565
So the next month we, we get a call for

930
00:41:02.565 --> 00:41:03.645
that, for that driveway.

931
00:41:04.225 --> 00:41:06.205
So now we have to reopen another case

932
00:41:06.205 --> 00:41:07.845
underneath the same exact rule

933
00:41:08.505 --> 00:41:10.685
for a violation for the driveway.

934
00:41:10.745 --> 00:41:12.245
And then it may be two months later somebody

935
00:41:12.245 --> 00:41:13.405
decides to call in the bushes.

936
00:41:13.785 --> 00:41:15.165
So then two months later we're going

937
00:41:15.165 --> 00:41:17.045
after the bushes in the same exact rule

938
00:41:17.065 --> 00:41:18.245
for the same exact thing.

939
00:41:18.245 --> 00:41:20.645
It's neat and clean. So what we're doing is we're trying

940
00:41:20.645 --> 00:41:24.005
to consolidate it to where if we get a call for a neat

941
00:41:24.005 --> 00:41:26.165
and clean violation, we will address the,

942
00:41:26.165 --> 00:41:28.245
at entire rule at once so

943
00:41:28.245 --> 00:41:31.125
that we're not compounding these public hearings over months

944
00:41:31.545 --> 00:41:34.605
and we're also not incurring additional costs to do this.

945
00:41:34.625 --> 00:41:37.565
We can do it all at once in one fell swoop.

946
00:41:37.945 --> 00:41:39.565
So that is the request today

947
00:41:39.625 --> 00:41:41.525
for this amendment to your rule.

948
00:41:41.825 --> 00:41:43.125
And I'm here to answer any questions,

949
00:41:43.125 --> 00:41:44.925
but it is staff's recommendation for approval.

950
00:41:48.665 --> 00:41:52.925
We have any questions? Well, I like the idea of being able

951
00:41:52.925 --> 00:41:54.605
to do it all at once.

952
00:41:55.755 --> 00:41:56.885
That makes a great deal

953
00:41:56.885 --> 00:42:00.045
of sense when we get into talking about specifics,

954
00:42:00.585 --> 00:42:02.245
you mentioned things like the palm front.

955
00:42:04.065 --> 00:42:07.165
My only problem is if I use this as a, in generality

956
00:42:07.585 --> 00:42:11.805
for an individual who goes north, uh, for the summer,

957
00:42:12.945 --> 00:42:15.045
the individual who goes north for the summer,

958
00:42:16.025 --> 00:42:18.205
and sure they have a lawn service,

959
00:42:18.825 --> 00:42:20.885
but I've seen a whole bunch of lawn services

960
00:42:21.105 --> 00:42:23.525
who they'll pick up the palm front

961
00:42:23.585 --> 00:42:25.685
and as soon as the mower's gone by,

962
00:42:25.685 --> 00:42:28.645
they drop it right back on the lawn and they stay there

963
00:42:29.025 --> 00:42:31.085
and the homeowner doesn't have any idea.

964
00:42:31.725 --> 00:42:33.725
I mean, I'm not, I you're going

965
00:42:33.725 --> 00:42:36.565
to are you will be making phone calls I assume.

966
00:42:37.085 --> 00:42:38.245
Absolutely. We still phone De

967
00:42:38.245 --> 00:42:39.565
because the homeowner's gonna have

968
00:42:39.565 --> 00:42:40.925
to make some kind of arrangement.

969
00:42:41.405 --> 00:42:42.725
I mean it doesn't happen every day,

970
00:42:42.905 --> 00:42:45.245
but every time we have some kind of a big storm.

971
00:42:45.465 --> 00:42:48.165
Mm-hmm. I mean I go up and down Buena Vista up

972
00:42:48.165 --> 00:42:49.245
and down El Camino real.

973
00:42:49.445 --> 00:42:54.085
I go through up and down Talley Ridge and I see it every day

974
00:42:54.255 --> 00:42:56.525
after we've had some kind of a storm incident.

975
00:42:57.065 --> 00:42:59.645
And certainly the district is not picking it up

976
00:42:59.785 --> 00:43:01.285
as fast as we would like.

977
00:43:01.665 --> 00:43:03.805
And I don't expect the homeowner may be either.

978
00:43:04.705 --> 00:43:07.125
No. And, and again, a complaint would have to be logged

979
00:43:07.125 --> 00:43:09.525
by someone from the community within, within,

980
00:43:09.525 --> 00:43:10.605
within the community.

981
00:43:10.625 --> 00:43:12.205
So we would still have to receive that first.

982
00:43:12.225 --> 00:43:14.845
And yes, we call the homeowner wherever they're at

983
00:43:14.945 --> 00:43:16.845
or if it's a bank, we'll call the bank.

984
00:43:16.855 --> 00:43:19.205
We'll still go through our process to try to get compliance.

985
00:43:19.745 --> 00:43:21.765
And if it's a seasonal resident where we've called

986
00:43:21.765 --> 00:43:24.285
before, for example, weeds in the landscaping bed, they go,

987
00:43:24.305 --> 00:43:26.005
oh, I'll get, I'm gonna call my neighbor,

988
00:43:26.005 --> 00:43:27.005
see if they can come help me and,

989
00:43:27.005 --> 00:43:28.005
and take care of this for me

990
00:43:28.005 --> 00:43:29.245
or I'll get my landscaper on it.

991
00:43:29.245 --> 00:43:32.565
I thought they took care of it. So what's great is if you

992
00:43:32.565 --> 00:43:34.245
still look historically, which we will provide these

993
00:43:34.485 --> 00:43:37.085
statistics for you, we're still around 98% compliance

994
00:43:37.085 --> 00:43:38.405
before any public hearing has had.

995
00:43:38.405 --> 00:43:39.885
So these concerns that are called in,

996
00:43:40.315 --> 00:43:41.965
even though neat clean's the greatest one

997
00:43:42.025 --> 00:43:43.085
are being taken care of.

998
00:43:43.085 --> 00:43:44.085
So, which, which is great.

999
00:43:45.275 --> 00:43:48.445
Okay. Do we have to open a public hearing on this? Yes.

1000
00:43:48.795 --> 00:43:50.285
Okay. Are you done?

1001
00:43:50.385 --> 00:43:52.285
So we'll open, go ahead and open the public hearing.

1002
00:43:54.025 --> 00:43:56.045
So if you have any audience wants

1003
00:43:58.195 --> 00:44:01.125
Everybody, I just Had a question.

1004
00:44:01.345 --> 00:44:04.365
You have name and address again? Name and address again?

1005
00:44:04.505 --> 00:44:06.525
Got close cottages of summer.

1006
00:44:06.535 --> 00:44:09.365
Chase, I have a question for this gentleman here.

1007
00:44:10.745 --> 00:44:13.365
Oh, you okay. When he was the neat

1008
00:44:13.365 --> 00:44:16.805
and clean, my question is, he will come out

1009
00:44:16.865 --> 00:44:18.645
and do the driveways in the weeds

1010
00:44:18.645 --> 00:44:22.845
and the neat, it's like, do you address mold problems

1011
00:44:23.185 --> 00:44:26.565
and overgrown weeds in the back of the house?

1012
00:44:26.825 --> 00:44:29.125
Yes we do. Yes You do. Okay.

1013
00:44:29.265 --> 00:44:31.605
If we can see them then yes. Right. You can see them. Yeah.

1014
00:44:31.625 --> 00:44:34.765
I'm sorry. If they can be seen without trespassing

1015
00:44:34.765 --> 00:44:35.925
on the property, then yes.

1016
00:44:36.315 --> 00:44:38.285
Yeah. And if they can't be seen from like the front

1017
00:44:38.285 --> 00:44:40.165
of the house, perhaps there's a house behind them,

1018
00:44:40.165 --> 00:44:42.525
they can get approval from that person Right.

1019
00:44:42.545 --> 00:44:44.605
To come to the back of their lawn

1020
00:44:44.625 --> 00:44:46.605
and look like over a fence or whatever.

1021
00:44:47.105 --> 00:44:48.365
But they can't go on the well

1022
00:44:48.365 --> 00:44:49.725
Picture Duke and you take a picture.

1023
00:44:50.465 --> 00:44:52.565
Yes. You would just need to provide that to community

1024
00:44:52.845 --> 00:44:53.845
Standards. I'll take a picture

1025
00:44:53.845 --> 00:44:57.245
to show that the mold is there and, and,

1026
00:44:57.265 --> 00:44:59.365
and as always, just note anything that you submit

1027
00:44:59.365 --> 00:45:01.325
to community standards is in public record

1028
00:45:01.385 --> 00:45:03.085
and would be used during that public hearing process.

1029
00:45:03.335 --> 00:45:04.605
Right. Anything else on this?

1030
00:45:06.305 --> 00:45:07.885
And we'll go ahead and close the public hearing.

1031
00:45:09.665 --> 00:45:13.045
And do we have a motion for the adoption of the resolution

1032
00:45:15.375 --> 00:45:16.375
Adopt? I'd like

1033
00:45:16.375 --> 00:45:19.365
to adopt resolution 2026 dash

1034
00:45:19.985 --> 00:45:24.615
one amending the rule to bring about deed compliance.

1035
00:45:24.755 --> 00:45:26.455
And do you want me to do the second day?

1036
00:45:26.915 --> 00:45:30.055
No, that's it. That's it. That's all we need. Okay.

1037
00:45:30.835 --> 00:45:34.815
Do we we have to have a second. Second. All in favor? Aye.

1038
00:45:34.955 --> 00:45:37.655
Aye. None opposed. Thank you. Board. Thank you.

1039
00:45:37.915 --> 00:45:39.735
And Supervisor Ballis, if you don't mind,

1040
00:45:39.795 --> 00:45:41.415
can you just pull your microphone a little bit

1041
00:45:41.415 --> 00:45:43.975
closer? Thank you,

1042
00:45:43.975 --> 00:45:44.975
Sir. How's that?

1043
00:45:44.975 --> 00:45:46.615
Is that fine?

1044
00:45:50.885 --> 00:45:52.375
They indicated they couldn't hear you,

1045
00:45:52.515 --> 00:45:54.775
so just try to speak closer. Thank you, sir.

1046
00:45:54.775 --> 00:45:58.215
Well, that's why I said is this fine Now? Can't hear.

1047
00:45:58.235 --> 00:46:00.375
No, they still can't hear. Where are we now?

1048
00:46:03.205 --> 00:46:05.775
Yeah, I guess that's the only way to get around it.

1049
00:46:05.865 --> 00:46:06.335
How's that?

1050
00:46:11.645 --> 00:46:15.975
Okay, next is, uh,

1051
00:46:18.185 --> 00:46:18.695
let's see,

1052
00:46:23.335 --> 00:46:26.735
adoption of resolution 20 26 0 2 amendment

1053
00:46:26.755 --> 00:46:28.695
and restatement of chapter three rule,

1054
00:46:29.105 --> 00:46:31.095
which is Village Community Development District

1055
00:46:31.095 --> 00:46:32.215
number three, towing rule.

1056
00:46:33.275 --> 00:46:34.495
Yes. Good morning board.

1057
00:46:34.495 --> 00:46:37.095
Caitlin Bisoni, executive coordinator with administration

1058
00:46:37.845 --> 00:46:41.095
presented today for a consideration is a public hearing

1059
00:46:41.095 --> 00:46:45.495
regarding the adoption of resolution 2026 dash oh two,

1060
00:46:46.465 --> 00:46:48.895
which amends and restates your towing rule.

1061
00:46:49.035 --> 00:46:50.855
The chapter three of the district's towing rule

1062
00:46:50.875 --> 00:46:54.175
to incorporate enforcement measures for repeat offenders.

1063
00:46:54.175 --> 00:46:55.775
Chapter three was originally approved

1064
00:46:55.835 --> 00:46:58.935
by this board on November 8th, 2024.

1065
00:46:59.605 --> 00:47:02.335
Following that approval, staff identified the need

1066
00:47:02.335 --> 00:47:04.535
for enhanced enforcement provisions,

1067
00:47:04.535 --> 00:47:06.295
which were publicly noticed at the

1068
00:47:06.295 --> 00:47:08.655
August 8th, 2025 board meeting.

1069
00:47:09.125 --> 00:47:11.255
Working in collaboration with legal counsel,

1070
00:47:11.355 --> 00:47:14.095
we have developed the proposed amendments now

1071
00:47:14.095 --> 00:47:17.335
before you the amendment established Section five,

1072
00:47:17.955 --> 00:47:20.575
repeat offenders designating any vehicle

1073
00:47:20.715 --> 00:47:24.375
or vessel owner with multiple violations within a 12 month

1074
00:47:24.375 --> 00:47:29.095
period As a repeat offender, the enforcement framework is,

1075
00:47:29.160 --> 00:47:30.280
is structured as follows.

1076
00:47:30.535 --> 00:47:33.365
First violation would result in the standard procedures

1077
00:47:33.365 --> 00:47:36.645
including the four day hour notice requirement prior

1078
00:47:36.665 --> 00:47:39.565
to towing authorization outlined in section three.

1079
00:47:40.425 --> 00:47:41.605
At the second violation,

1080
00:47:41.625 --> 00:47:44.445
the district may authorize immediate towing without notice

1081
00:47:44.595 --> 00:47:47.845
written notification of repeat offender status will be

1082
00:47:48.045 --> 00:47:50.885
provided to the owner and a $50 administration

1083
00:47:51.025 --> 00:47:52.125
fee will be assessed.

1084
00:47:52.775 --> 00:47:56.005
Third and subsequent violations will result in immediate

1085
00:47:56.145 --> 00:47:57.965
towing authorization without notice.

1086
00:47:58.355 --> 00:48:00.645
With a hundred dollars administration fee assessed,

1087
00:48:01.425 --> 00:48:04.485
the district manager or their designee shall maintain

1088
00:48:04.485 --> 00:48:07.765
comprehensive records including photographs, documentation

1089
00:48:07.765 --> 00:48:09.045
of all violations.

1090
00:48:09.835 --> 00:48:12.965
Individuals may appeal repeat offender designations within

1091
00:48:12.965 --> 00:48:14.285
30 days of the notice.

1092
00:48:14.535 --> 00:48:16.565
First time designations are appealed

1093
00:48:16.565 --> 00:48:18.605
to the district manager or their designee.

1094
00:48:18.865 --> 00:48:20.965
Second time designations are appealed

1095
00:48:20.965 --> 00:48:22.685
to the District three Board of supervisors

1096
00:48:23.025 --> 00:48:24.565
who decisions shall be final.

1097
00:48:25.225 --> 00:48:28.565
All administration fees are due within 30 days

1098
00:48:28.745 --> 00:48:29.805
and may be pursued

1099
00:48:29.805 --> 00:48:32.885
through any legal remedies available to the district.

1100
00:48:33.625 --> 00:48:35.565
And of course, if you have any questions

1101
00:48:35.565 --> 00:48:37.205
regarding this, I can answer them.

1102
00:48:39.905 --> 00:48:42.485
You have no questions. We will open the public hearing.

1103
00:48:45.065 --> 00:48:47.605
You close it. Pardon me? You closed it.

1104
00:48:48.165 --> 00:48:50.605
I didn't hear what you said. I saw open the public hearing.

1105
00:48:50.705 --> 00:48:54.365
Oh, you're opening one coming up. Okay.

1106
00:48:54.365 --> 00:48:55.965
Then we'll go ahead and close the public hearing.

1107
00:48:57.105 --> 00:48:59.365
So do we have a motion, motion

1108
00:48:59.425 --> 00:49:04.205
To adopt adoption of resolution 2026 dash oh two Amendment

1109
00:49:04.545 --> 00:49:06.125
and restatement.

1110
00:49:07.625 --> 00:49:12.285
You can't, I still can't hear you talking. Okay.

1111
00:49:12.805 --> 00:49:17.485
Adoption of resolution 2026 dash oh two Amendment

1112
00:49:17.665 --> 00:49:20.325
and restatement of chapter three,

1113
00:49:20.435 --> 00:49:23.005
rule Village Community District

1114
00:49:23.545 --> 00:49:25.525
number three, towing rule.

1115
00:49:26.665 --> 00:49:30.885
Do we have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

1116
00:49:31.545 --> 00:49:35.925
Any opposed? None opposed. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

1117
00:49:39.545 --> 00:49:43.365
And first the next item is, uh, case number

1118
00:49:43.965 --> 00:49:46.485
D three dash zero one dash 26,

1119
00:49:47.135 --> 00:49:51.725
which is VCDE number three versus Joanne g Bryant at

1120
00:49:51.725 --> 00:49:53.925
32 90 Richmond Drive. Yes,

1121
00:49:53.925 --> 00:49:54.925
Sir. Good Morning. Board before

1122
00:49:54.925 --> 00:49:55.765
the public hearing.

1123
00:49:55.985 --> 00:49:57.765
Uh, as usual, just a quick overview

1124
00:49:57.765 --> 00:49:59.885
of the public hearing process and public hearings.

1125
00:49:59.885 --> 00:50:03.005
The board acts as both the judge and jury in that capacity.

1126
00:50:03.005 --> 00:50:05.125
The board will consider evidence, make findings of fact,

1127
00:50:05.125 --> 00:50:06.325
and draw conclusions of law.

1128
00:50:06.505 --> 00:50:09.245
During the hearing, the board may only receive testimony

1129
00:50:09.245 --> 00:50:11.685
and evidence from the property owner, district staff

1130
00:50:11.685 --> 00:50:12.885
and those that will be substantially

1131
00:50:12.885 --> 00:50:13.925
and directly affected by the

1132
00:50:13.925 --> 00:50:15.165
outcome of the Board's decision.

1133
00:50:15.545 --> 00:50:17.205
And those are usually neighbors, uh,

1134
00:50:17.485 --> 00:50:18.565
surrounding the property at issue.

1135
00:50:19.065 --> 00:50:21.965
The board's required to limit testimony to relevant evidence

1136
00:50:22.025 --> 00:50:23.085
as it relates to the matter

1137
00:50:23.085 --> 00:50:25.405
before it at the conclusion of the public hearing.

1138
00:50:25.465 --> 00:50:28.125
The board will need to determine whether staff presented

1139
00:50:28.405 --> 00:50:30.485
competent, substantial evidence to support a finding

1140
00:50:30.485 --> 00:50:31.645
of the alleged violation.

1141
00:50:32.065 --> 00:50:33.685
And if so, the board must enter an order

1142
00:50:33.685 --> 00:50:35.125
of Enforcement against the property owner.

1143
00:50:35.505 --> 00:50:37.365
If there's anyone here to testify as

1144
00:50:37.365 --> 00:50:39.845
to case number D three dash zero one dash 26,

1145
00:50:39.845 --> 00:50:40.965
please stand and raise your right hand.

1146
00:50:43.065 --> 00:50:45.325
Do you swear or affirm this evidence testimony you're

1147
00:50:45.525 --> 00:50:47.765
about to provide truth, nothing but truth.

1148
00:50:48.415 --> 00:50:49.415
Thank You. Yes.

1149
00:50:49.905 --> 00:50:52.045
We can now open the public hearing. Yep.

1150
00:50:52.145 --> 00:50:55.005
Public hearing is now open. Hello.

1151
00:50:55.005 --> 00:50:56.685
Board Met Armstrong Community Standards.

1152
00:50:56.865 --> 00:51:00.325
So before you today, there is case number D 3 0 1 2 6

1153
00:51:00.325 --> 00:51:02.605
Village Community Development District number three verse

1154
00:51:02.775 --> 00:51:07.605
Joann g Bryant 32 90 Richmond Drive, unit 41 Lot 1 8 3.

1155
00:51:07.795 --> 00:51:09.245
Violation of the district's rule

1156
00:51:09.505 --> 00:51:11.885
to bring about decompliance, specifically the rule

1157
00:51:11.885 --> 00:51:14.165
that states no building or structure shall be constructed,

1158
00:51:14.445 --> 00:51:16.445
erected, or placed or altered on any home site

1159
00:51:16.465 --> 00:51:18.365
to the construction plans and specifications.

1160
00:51:19.025 --> 00:51:20.925
And a plan showing the location of the building

1161
00:51:21.025 --> 00:51:22.485
or structure have been approved

1162
00:51:22.855 --> 00:51:24.605
after the home has been constructed,

1163
00:51:24.705 --> 00:51:26.605
nor reconstruction, additions, alterations,

1164
00:51:26.605 --> 00:51:30.085
or modifications to the home or in the locations.

1165
00:51:30.145 --> 00:51:32.845
And utility connections of the home will be permitted except

1166
00:51:32.845 --> 00:51:34.605
with the written consent of the developer

1167
00:51:34.605 --> 00:51:37.085
or architectural review committee appointed by the developer

1168
00:51:37.545 --> 00:51:39.325
as found in the village Community Development District

1169
00:51:39.325 --> 00:51:41.405
number three, external deed restriction standards.

1170
00:51:41.425 --> 00:51:43.685
The district is responsible for approving alterations,

1171
00:51:43.685 --> 00:51:46.525
changes, or modifications to home sites

1172
00:51:46.665 --> 00:51:48.765
and the exterior appearance of the structure of the home.

1173
00:51:49.145 --> 00:51:51.565
No aftermarket change should be made to any homes,

1174
00:51:51.675 --> 00:51:53.045
home site, or home without first

1175
00:51:53.045 --> 00:51:54.165
obtaining district approval.

1176
00:51:54.435 --> 00:51:56.445
This includes but not limited to Arbor's, Chelsea,

1177
00:51:56.735 --> 00:51:59.885
Perus Pools, patios, screen cages, decks, awning expenses,

1178
00:51:59.975 --> 00:52:02.845
walls, enclosures, landscaping, driveway additions,

1179
00:52:03.165 --> 00:52:04.965
repaintings, and room additions to the home.

1180
00:52:06.825 --> 00:52:10.245
On August 1st, we did receive a concern regarding a

1181
00:52:10.765 --> 00:52:12.365
structure in the, on the west side

1182
00:52:12.365 --> 00:52:14.045
of a property without architectural approval.

1183
00:52:14.295 --> 00:52:18.365
Staff did look, um, to see if ARC approval was submitted

1184
00:52:18.525 --> 00:52:22.165
and received and there was architectural approval, uh,

1185
00:52:22.565 --> 00:52:24.805
received for a landscape modification.

1186
00:52:25.505 --> 00:52:27.725
But upon inspection of the property,

1187
00:52:27.825 --> 00:52:30.685
it wasn't a landscape modification that was occurred.

1188
00:52:30.825 --> 00:52:32.565
It was a paper patio addition

1189
00:52:32.565 --> 00:52:34.245
that occurred within that space.

1190
00:52:34.985 --> 00:52:36.805
So we did reach out to the homeowner

1191
00:52:37.145 --> 00:52:40.165
and, um, communication has been had with the staff

1192
00:52:40.165 --> 00:52:42.645
and community standards regarding this, this concern.

1193
00:52:43.265 --> 00:52:45.965
Um, a plan was shown that this is what was presented

1194
00:52:45.965 --> 00:52:47.525
and approved, but this is what the,

1195
00:52:48.585 --> 00:52:50.325
the Landscaping company actually put in.

1196
00:52:50.745 --> 00:52:52.845
Um, the concern is, is

1197
00:52:52.845 --> 00:52:55.725
that it's built in the road right away, which cannot happen.

1198
00:52:55.785 --> 00:52:58.005
You cannot add things into the road right away.

1199
00:52:58.185 --> 00:52:59.925
It needs to be behind the property lines.

1200
00:53:00.145 --> 00:53:02.525
You're allowed to have a paver patio on your property.

1201
00:53:02.585 --> 00:53:05.725
It just can't. You can have a paver patio,

1202
00:53:05.985 --> 00:53:07.885
you just can't have it where it's located.

1203
00:53:08.345 --> 00:53:09.925
So that is, you can't have it.

1204
00:53:10.185 --> 00:53:13.165
Uh, it has to be a certain distance away from street it

1205
00:53:13.165 --> 00:53:14.725
to be correct distance from the street,

1206
00:53:14.725 --> 00:53:16.965
from your road right away from behind your property line.

1207
00:53:17.275 --> 00:53:18.725
This is too close to the street.

1208
00:53:18.745 --> 00:53:20.405
And this is, this is over that line.

1209
00:53:20.595 --> 00:53:21.965
This is in the road right away.

1210
00:53:22.585 --> 00:53:25.125
So this was discussed with the homeowner

1211
00:53:25.345 --> 00:53:27.845
and a new plan was submitted, um,

1212
00:53:27.865 --> 00:53:29.925
but it was withdrawn by the homeowner

1213
00:53:30.465 --> 00:53:32.765
before it was seen by the Architectural Review Committee.

1214
00:53:33.625 --> 00:53:35.885
So that is why we are here today.

1215
00:53:37.905 --> 00:53:40.405
It is staff's recommendation to find the owner of violation

1216
00:53:40.465 --> 00:53:42.845
of the district's Decompliance rule as cited

1217
00:53:42.845 --> 00:53:44.245
by the DECOMPLIANCE staff.

1218
00:53:45.705 --> 00:53:48.205
The owner has 45 days to submit and receive

1219
00:53:48.205 --> 00:53:50.245
and approve architectural review application

1220
00:53:50.265 --> 00:53:51.725
for the landscape modification

1221
00:53:52.105 --> 00:53:53.965
and bring that property into compliance

1222
00:53:54.035 --> 00:53:55.925
with the approved Architectural Review application,

1223
00:53:55.945 --> 00:53:57.165
or restore the property back

1224
00:53:57.165 --> 00:53:58.605
to its originally constructed design.

1225
00:53:59.185 --> 00:54:02.045
If an approved architectural review application is received

1226
00:54:02.125 --> 00:54:04.365
and the property is brought in into accordance

1227
00:54:04.365 --> 00:54:06.445
with the approved Architectural Review application,

1228
00:54:06.825 --> 00:54:08.245
or if the property is restored back

1229
00:54:08.245 --> 00:54:10.845
to its originally constructed design, within 45 days

1230
00:54:10.845 --> 00:54:11.845
of the Order of Enforcement,

1231
00:54:11.845 --> 00:54:14.325
case number D 3 0 12 6 shall be closed.

1232
00:54:14.785 --> 00:54:16.885
If an approved architectural review application in

1233
00:54:16.885 --> 00:54:19.125
accordance with District Three's Architectural Review manual

1234
00:54:19.225 --> 00:54:22.285
is not received, an approved architectural review

1235
00:54:22.285 --> 00:54:23.285
application in accordance

1236
00:54:23.285 --> 00:54:25.765
with District three Architectural Manual is received,

1237
00:54:25.785 --> 00:54:28.005
but the property is not brought into accordance

1238
00:54:28.005 --> 00:54:29.805
with the approved a RC application.

1239
00:54:30.385 --> 00:54:32.525
Or if the property is not restored back

1240
00:54:32.525 --> 00:54:34.045
to its originally constructed design

1241
00:54:34.045 --> 00:54:36.605
and the property is not brought into compliance within 45

1242
00:54:36.635 --> 00:54:40.245
days of the Order of enforcement, impose a $150 fine

1243
00:54:40.245 --> 00:54:42.045
to be paid within 10 days of the invoice

1244
00:54:42.065 --> 00:54:44.685
and impose a $50 daily fine until the fine,

1245
00:54:44.685 --> 00:54:46.245
until the property's brought into compliance.

1246
00:54:46.705 --> 00:54:48.645
If the property is not brought into compliance

1247
00:54:48.665 --> 00:54:50.605
as required here and staff shall record the Order

1248
00:54:50.605 --> 00:54:51.725
of Enforcement claim of lien,

1249
00:54:51.725 --> 00:54:53.285
the public records of Sum County Florida.

1250
00:54:53.665 --> 00:54:55.365
It is the property owner's responsibility

1251
00:54:55.365 --> 00:54:57.325
to contact Community Standards Department

1252
00:54:57.325 --> 00:54:59.365
to request a decompliance officer revisit

1253
00:54:59.385 --> 00:55:00.765
the property to confirm compliance.

1254
00:55:01.185 --> 00:55:03.565
The fines reached $1,500, the case shall be turned over

1255
00:55:03.565 --> 00:55:05.525
to district counsel to seek all available remedies,

1256
00:55:05.525 --> 00:55:06.845
which may include initiating a lawsuit

1257
00:55:06.905 --> 00:55:08.725
and seeking an injunction against the property owner.

1258
00:55:08.985 --> 00:55:10.325
The property owner is responsible

1259
00:55:10.325 --> 00:55:12.165
for reimbursing the district for attorney's fees, costs,

1260
00:55:12.165 --> 00:55:13.485
and expenses associated with

1261
00:55:13.505 --> 00:55:15.205
or related to this order enforcement claim.

1262
00:55:15.205 --> 00:55:17.525
With lien, the property is brought into

1263
00:55:17.525 --> 00:55:18.725
compliance and all fines are paid.

1264
00:55:18.725 --> 00:55:20.405
That German authorizes staff to execute

1265
00:55:20.405 --> 00:55:22.845
and record a satisfaction release claim with lien Jeremy

1266
00:55:22.985 --> 00:55:24.725
to execute the order of enforcement.

1267
00:55:25.785 --> 00:55:29.125
And I'll step aside for The homeowner.

1268
00:55:38.465 --> 00:55:38.685
Yes.

1269
00:55:44.015 --> 00:55:45.405
Hello. I'm Joanne Bryant,

1270
00:55:45.405 --> 00:55:48.245
32 90 Richmond Drive in the village of Bel Air.

1271
00:55:49.345 --> 00:55:54.205
Um, I had contacted a homeowner, a home landscape company

1272
00:55:54.505 --> 00:55:58.965
to do the work and insert the patio for a sharing library.

1273
00:55:59.995 --> 00:56:02.485
I've been providing a sharing library since COVID

1274
00:56:03.025 --> 00:56:05.565
and it's just grown and increased over time.

1275
00:56:06.425 --> 00:56:08.645
Um, but it, it was my understanding

1276
00:56:08.645 --> 00:56:10.485
that an arc was submitted

1277
00:56:10.745 --> 00:56:14.685
and was approved prior to the work being done.

1278
00:56:15.585 --> 00:56:19.045
It wasn't until I received notification the first time

1279
00:56:19.275 --> 00:56:20.965
that I went before the other board

1280
00:56:21.665 --> 00:56:25.805
and was given a copy of the submission that was made

1281
00:56:26.585 --> 00:56:30.645
and was informed that the um,

1282
00:56:32.155 --> 00:56:37.045
drawing had been modified from what the, what I agreed

1283
00:56:37.045 --> 00:56:41.325
to at the time that I hired the landscaper.

1284
00:56:42.385 --> 00:56:46.205
Um, I don't really know

1285
00:56:46.515 --> 00:56:47.725
what I can do about that.

1286
00:56:47.745 --> 00:56:51.165
My neighbors love it. I did receive a petition this week.

1287
00:56:51.445 --> 00:56:55.605
I have over 60 signatures of my neighbors in support of it.

1288
00:56:56.525 --> 00:57:00.205
I did try to talk to the gentleman that filed the complaint.

1289
00:57:00.505 --> 00:57:03.245
His response was that it offended him.

1290
00:57:04.685 --> 00:57:07.245
I did not understand what about a sharing library

1291
00:57:07.495 --> 00:57:08.685
could offend anybody.

1292
00:57:09.585 --> 00:57:12.445
But, um, he said that we didn't deserve,

1293
00:57:12.705 --> 00:57:15.005
it wasn't appropriate for a neighbor,

1294
00:57:15.285 --> 00:57:16.485
a neighborhood like ours.

1295
00:57:17.325 --> 00:57:19.405
I don't know what that means. I think we have a

1296
00:57:19.405 --> 00:57:20.445
wonderful neighborhood.

1297
00:57:21.265 --> 00:57:22.925
I'm a strong proponent of reading

1298
00:57:24.025 --> 00:57:27.645
and was thrilled to be able to do this for my neighbors.

1299
00:57:28.545 --> 00:57:30.965
Uh, I never dreamed it would come to this.

1300
00:57:30.965 --> 00:57:33.325
Nothing was done out of disrespect for anybody.

1301
00:57:34.065 --> 00:57:36.765
It was done because of my love for reading and

1302
00:57:36.925 --> 00:57:40.125
because I am thrilled to be a member of this community.

1303
00:57:40.825 --> 00:57:43.805
Um, people from outside of Bel Air come and use it.

1304
00:57:44.505 --> 00:57:46.925
Um, and it's worked great.

1305
00:57:47.105 --> 00:57:49.885
Our street that it's on is Venice,

1306
00:57:49.885 --> 00:57:51.365
which has no houses on it,

1307
00:57:52.425 --> 00:57:54.485
and it is, I think it was a hundred,

1308
00:57:54.785 --> 00:57:57.165
within a hundred feet or something.

1309
00:57:57.165 --> 00:58:01.445
It's less than a hundred feet long, so it's just a pass.

1310
00:58:01.445 --> 00:58:02.605
Hundred yards. Sorry.

1311
00:58:03.075 --> 00:58:06.845
It's just a pass through street and it's been there.

1312
00:58:07.225 --> 00:58:10.405
It looks wonderful. I tried to do it aesthetically so

1313
00:58:10.405 --> 00:58:13.125
that it would tie in to the rest of my house,

1314
00:58:14.265 --> 00:58:18.485
and I'm hoping that some kind of exception can be made.

1315
00:58:18.655 --> 00:58:22.245
Originally it was 10 feet from the road.

1316
00:58:22.865 --> 00:58:25.365
Um, but then I did not feel

1317
00:58:25.395 --> 00:58:28.125
that the first step it and wasn't there.

1318
00:58:28.125 --> 00:58:32.365
And I felt that it needed to be added for safety reasons.

1319
00:58:33.505 --> 00:58:36.325
And that did put it to less than 10 feet.

1320
00:58:36.985 --> 00:58:39.365
But, um, that's it.

1321
00:58:41.885 --> 00:58:43.445
I hope you all will consider it,

1322
00:58:43.445 --> 00:58:45.885
that you'll make an exception, um,

1323
00:58:46.265 --> 00:58:47.725
and approve it for our neighborhood.

1324
00:58:48.925 --> 00:58:52.605
Everyone loves it. And I'll be back another time

1325
00:58:52.705 --> 00:58:53.725
to try to change it.

1326
00:58:53.785 --> 00:58:57.445
So that one person else, my neighbors.

1327
00:58:59.495 --> 00:59:01.845
Ma'am, I just have one question for you. Sorry. Yes.

1328
00:59:02.745 --> 00:59:05.605
The, the structure that's there is, do you agree that

1329
00:59:05.605 --> 00:59:08.925
that was built where it's built is not consistent with

1330
00:59:08.925 --> 00:59:10.605
what was approved in the ARC application?

1331
00:59:12.005 --> 00:59:14.925
I was not aware that it was different than

1332
00:59:14.925 --> 00:59:16.485
what was in the ARC application.

1333
00:59:16.885 --> 00:59:21.045
I submitted when I heard, I was understanding that when I,

1334
00:59:21.085 --> 00:59:23.485
I went and submitted a separate one from

1335
00:59:23.625 --> 00:59:25.205
the landscaper people.

1336
00:59:26.045 --> 00:59:27.805
I identified the pavers

1337
00:59:27.825 --> 00:59:31.205
and did what was originally, um, agreed to

1338
00:59:31.205 --> 00:59:33.325
between the landscapers and myself.

1339
00:59:33.985 --> 00:59:35.525
And it wasn't until that point

1340
00:59:35.555 --> 00:59:40.245
that the woman in community standards made me a copy of

1341
00:59:40.355 --> 00:59:41.645
what they submitted

1342
00:59:42.705 --> 00:59:45.565
and they had erased the word pavers.

1343
00:59:46.195 --> 00:59:48.525
Okay. So This is, and had it down. I did not know.

1344
00:59:48.725 --> 00:59:50.365
I was just told it was approved

1345
00:59:50.945 --> 00:59:53.325
and I was adamant about this with the land,

1346
00:59:53.325 --> 00:59:54.645
with the landscapers.

1347
00:59:54.845 --> 00:59:56.365
I said, this is different from anything

1348
00:59:56.365 --> 00:59:57.445
else in the villages.

1349
00:59:57.485 --> 00:59:59.925
I want it to be nice. I want it to be approved.

1350
01:00:00.505 --> 01:00:03.205
You have to get approval before I invest this money.

1351
01:00:04.145 --> 01:00:08.005
Um, but my, um, that was the one

1352
01:00:08.005 --> 01:00:09.285
that was submitted by them.

1353
01:00:09.395 --> 01:00:12.245
They had me sign it at the time

1354
01:00:12.275 --> 01:00:14.685
that I signed the contract with them.

1355
01:00:15.625 --> 01:00:19.245
Um, I ended up paying a total of $8,500

1356
01:00:20.385 --> 01:00:21.725
for the building of that

1357
01:00:21.985 --> 01:00:25.085
and the additional yard work I had done.

1358
01:00:25.985 --> 01:00:29.085
Um, so when I, they just had you sign it,

1359
01:00:29.085 --> 01:00:30.165
they go, don't worry about it.

1360
01:00:30.165 --> 01:00:32.125
We'll fill it out for you. We'll submit it.

1361
01:00:32.125 --> 01:00:33.445
That's part of your fee.

1362
01:00:34.545 --> 01:00:38.645
So I trusted them to do that.

1363
01:00:39.545 --> 01:00:43.445
And this, apparently, it wasn't mentioned

1364
01:00:43.445 --> 01:00:45.325
that there was gonna be pavers.

1365
01:00:45.765 --> 01:00:47.965
I was not aware of that until, right.

1366
01:00:48.075 --> 01:00:50.565
Like I said, I went before the first board.

1367
01:00:51.955 --> 01:00:56.045
Okay. Understand. But I, you know, my neighbor,

1368
01:00:56.265 --> 01:00:58.725
The problem, the problem is what was submitted is

1369
01:00:58.725 --> 01:01:00.285
different and approved is

1370
01:01:00.285 --> 01:01:01.565
different than what was actually built.

1371
01:01:01.985 --> 01:01:03.805
And that was their landscaper.

1372
01:01:03.805 --> 01:01:05.685
And I understand you didn't understand all

1373
01:01:05.745 --> 01:01:06.745
Any of that. Well, it had, yeah. It

1374
01:01:06.745 --> 01:01:07.965
had the original,

1375
01:01:08.035 --> 01:01:10.445
that was all an original area there.

1376
01:01:10.675 --> 01:01:12.845
Yeah, I understand. And it was originally

1377
01:01:13.435 --> 01:01:15.005
just a bunch of weeds Sure.

1378
01:01:15.005 --> 01:01:16.525
Between the two crepe myrtles.

1379
01:01:17.305 --> 01:01:19.525
And so even up to that point,

1380
01:01:19.715 --> 01:01:21.765
that is all within the 10 feet,

1381
01:01:21.815 --> 01:01:24.805
which I've been told actually is what it needs to be instead

1382
01:01:24.805 --> 01:01:27.965
of 16 because it is a non-active road

1383
01:01:28.065 --> 01:01:29.445
and there are no houses on it.

1384
01:01:30.465 --> 01:01:33.965
Um, and that beginning of that was 10 feet.

1385
01:01:34.825 --> 01:01:39.365
So I think, um, it was adding the additional step

1386
01:01:39.435 --> 01:01:41.845
that put it less than that. And that was less than 10

1387
01:01:41.845 --> 01:01:42.845
Feet. Right. That

1388
01:01:42.845 --> 01:01:43.725
was at a decision

1389
01:01:43.725 --> 01:01:45.245
that I made for safety reasons.

1390
01:01:45.555 --> 01:01:46.725
Sure, I understand. Um,

1391
01:01:47.205 --> 01:01:49.325
'cause I thought it was too high of a step

1392
01:01:49.385 --> 01:01:51.245
and I didn't want anyone to fall.

1393
01:01:52.065 --> 01:01:56.245
So I was trying to be responsible. I understand.

1394
01:01:56.385 --> 01:01:59.965
Um, but I'm an avid reader and obviously our neighbors are,

1395
01:02:00.705 --> 01:02:02.045
and, um, they love it.

1396
01:02:02.265 --> 01:02:05.765
And everybody was completely shocked when this was

1397
01:02:05.765 --> 01:02:06.845
brought before the board.

1398
01:02:07.785 --> 01:02:11.285
And, um, I figure I have 60 some

1399
01:02:11.625 --> 01:02:14.045
for it against the one guy against it,

1400
01:02:14.545 --> 01:02:17.285
and I'd like those to be taken into consideration.

1401
01:02:18.305 --> 01:02:21.805
And, uh, if there's any of 'em that wish to support it

1402
01:02:21.805 --> 01:02:24.445
and say anything vocally, I'd love to have it. Jack,

1403
01:02:24.465 --> 01:02:27.045
If you want, you can, you can turn the petition in.

1404
01:02:27.675 --> 01:02:30.485
Okay. Give the petition to, uh, Gary.

1405
01:02:33.065 --> 01:02:35.365
So it's, it's not that the,

1406
01:02:36.345 --> 01:02:38.845
the library cannot be approved.

1407
01:02:39.225 --> 01:02:41.085
It, there is no restriction

1408
01:02:41.085 --> 01:02:43.845
for this in the deed restrictions or your a RC manual.

1409
01:02:44.065 --> 01:02:45.365
It is where it is placed.

1410
01:02:46.105 --> 01:02:50.045
So she can turn in an a RC application

1411
01:02:50.435 --> 01:02:51.885
with this exact design,

1412
01:02:52.185 --> 01:02:54.365
but far enough off of the property line

1413
01:02:54.505 --> 01:02:57.245
and it can be approved and she can keep the library.

1414
01:02:57.995 --> 01:03:02.045
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that it's just that step

1415
01:03:02.395 --> 01:03:03.405
that is too close.

1416
01:03:04.105 --> 01:03:06.285
So unfortunately, she's going to have

1417
01:03:06.285 --> 01:03:09.725
to move the entire structure further back off

1418
01:03:09.725 --> 01:03:12.045
of the property line to be in compliance

1419
01:03:12.045 --> 01:03:13.605
with the deed restrictions and error.

1420
01:03:13.825 --> 01:03:16.045
And how far are you saying it needs to be?

1421
01:03:16.985 --> 01:03:18.485
Oh, it has to be 10 feet. Correct.

1422
01:03:19.905 --> 01:03:22.845
The 10 feet, it would be that straight step.

1423
01:03:23.225 --> 01:03:24.845
It is just that 10 feet

1424
01:03:25.745 --> 01:03:27.405
or approximately that without the step.

1425
01:03:27.505 --> 01:03:31.845
We have to look at her, um, her site plan to see

1426
01:03:31.945 --> 01:03:34.685
how big the road right of way is in that area.

1427
01:03:35.515 --> 01:03:37.565
Unfortunately, a lot of residents think

1428
01:03:37.565 --> 01:03:39.125
that their property line is the curb

1429
01:03:39.265 --> 01:03:41.285
or the street that's not your property line.

1430
01:03:41.285 --> 01:03:44.565
Right. Your property line is several feet off of the curb

1431
01:03:44.985 --> 01:03:46.605
and then it starts, and then it has

1432
01:03:46.605 --> 01:03:48.085
to be a certain footage off of that

1433
01:03:57.025 --> 01:03:58.025
Up.

1434
01:04:05.785 --> 01:04:08.005
So I'm guessing it's what about eight, eight feet?

1435
01:04:08.955 --> 01:04:10.365
It's about eight and a half feet.

1436
01:04:10.375 --> 01:04:11.645
Eight and a half feet. Mm-hmm.

1437
01:04:12.665 --> 01:04:14.805
So we, we can certainly, again,

1438
01:04:15.265 --> 01:04:17.565
the staff does an interactive process

1439
01:04:17.715 --> 01:04:19.765
with residents if they'd like to sit down

1440
01:04:19.825 --> 01:04:21.685
and they can help her design

1441
01:04:21.825 --> 01:04:24.125
how this can be far enough off the property line

1442
01:04:24.385 --> 01:04:26.965
before she turns it into the a RC for approval.

1443
01:04:27.705 --> 01:04:31.045
The the struggle is going to be that she's going to have

1444
01:04:31.045 --> 01:04:33.085
to pay to have this moved.

1445
01:04:33.585 --> 01:04:36.765
See, I, I'm, do we have others who wanna

1446
01:04:36.985 --> 01:04:38.485
before we speak? I mean,

1447
01:04:39.075 --> 01:04:40.565
Yeah, you may wanna finish up

1448
01:04:40.565 --> 01:04:42.045
with the resident and then close the public. Yeah.

1449
01:04:42.045 --> 01:04:44.085
Do any residents comments? Do you wanna

1450
01:04:44.085 --> 01:04:45.485
Make a comment Asking,

1451
01:04:48.785 --> 01:04:51.845
Uh, J Jack Callahan 3, 3, 2, 1.

1452
01:04:52.165 --> 01:04:54.085
Richmond Drive the village of Bel Air.

1453
01:04:55.065 --> 01:04:58.645
Um, I would first like to thank this committee

1454
01:04:59.345 --> 01:05:01.085
for their time and contributions

1455
01:05:01.085 --> 01:05:02.565
to the residents of District three.

1456
01:05:03.385 --> 01:05:06.445
You have made a concerted effort to improve the lifestyle

1457
01:05:06.545 --> 01:05:07.565
of its citizens.

1458
01:05:08.745 --> 01:05:13.325
In the same vein, I would like to thank Joanne Bryan, who

1459
01:05:13.325 --> 01:05:16.045
with her own money and concern for the betterment

1460
01:05:16.065 --> 01:05:19.805
of her neighborhood, created a first class book exchange

1461
01:05:20.235 --> 01:05:22.605
that is utilized, enjoyed,

1462
01:05:23.635 --> 01:05:25.615
and appreciated by many.

1463
01:05:26.475 --> 01:05:30.695
The 60 people that went out of their way to sign is probably

1464
01:05:31.325 --> 01:05:34.815
much less than the people that get to use, utilize

1465
01:05:34.955 --> 01:05:37.095
and enjoy this on a monthly basis.

1466
01:05:38.075 --> 01:05:40.575
Um, the pictures there, I don't know,

1467
01:05:41.325 --> 01:05:43.135
give it, uh, justice.

1468
01:05:44.195 --> 01:05:47.735
It is on a side road of which there's no driveways,

1469
01:05:48.965 --> 01:05:52.295
very, very little traffic except for maybe a golf cart.

1470
01:05:53.915 --> 01:05:56.735
Um, and I've found in

1471
01:05:58.305 --> 01:06:03.255
every now and then in life, there,

1472
01:06:03.465 --> 01:06:07.015
there is, I think the term these days is there's a Karen

1473
01:06:07.955 --> 01:06:10.895
who finds problems.

1474
01:06:12.825 --> 01:06:15.535
Maybe just they're mad at the world,

1475
01:06:15.975 --> 01:06:17.255
I don't quite understand,

1476
01:06:17.995 --> 01:06:20.695
but they also find a loophole, a detail

1477
01:06:21.005 --> 01:06:23.495
that is not an exact compliance

1478
01:06:24.075 --> 01:06:27.295
and wants to flex their muscles and have it change.

1479
01:06:28.315 --> 01:06:33.215
Um, you know, that person, I think I know

1480
01:06:33.215 --> 01:06:36.095
where he lives, could easily avoid this.

1481
01:06:36.355 --> 01:06:38.695
He doesn't have to come down Richmond Drive.

1482
01:06:39.395 --> 01:06:43.495
He could go to Reston all the way out to wherever he wants

1483
01:06:43.495 --> 01:06:46.335
to go, but for some reason it's beyond me.

1484
01:06:47.115 --> 01:06:52.015
So rather than contribute, reviewed, he creates a mess

1485
01:06:52.605 --> 01:06:55.295
that detracts from people's enjoyment.

1486
01:06:56.495 --> 01:06:59.615
I will not lower myself to denigrate that person,

1487
01:07:00.275 --> 01:07:02.895
but merely provide my sympathy

1488
01:07:02.995 --> 01:07:05.135
for their values and their life.

1489
01:07:05.675 --> 01:07:08.095
Why they would do this? I have no idea.

1490
01:07:09.215 --> 01:07:12.415
I urge you to uphold the exception

1491
01:07:12.475 --> 01:07:14.815
to the rule and allow Ms.

1492
01:07:14.815 --> 01:07:18.455
Brian to con continue with her book exchange

1493
01:07:18.995 --> 01:07:23.415
and allow the residents of her, her residents

1494
01:07:23.415 --> 01:07:25.935
to enjoy her wonderful contribution.

1495
01:07:27.115 --> 01:07:29.175
Um, my deer head, the lady,

1496
01:07:29.575 --> 01:07:32.055
I think we're talking about a couple of feet.

1497
01:07:32.495 --> 01:07:35.775
I don't know exactly why that was put in there.

1498
01:07:36.325 --> 01:07:38.415
This is eight and a half feet from the road.

1499
01:07:38.645 --> 01:07:42.615
I've pasted it off once again, I'll reiterate a road that is

1500
01:07:43.435 --> 01:07:44.535
no houses are on.

1501
01:07:45.475 --> 01:07:47.615
Um, no one parks on it.

1502
01:07:48.555 --> 01:07:52.895
So I would ask your committee

1503
01:07:53.395 --> 01:07:54.535
to make an exception.

1504
01:07:54.895 --> 01:07:59.255
I don't want you changing all the laws in the area.

1505
01:07:59.805 --> 01:08:03.975
Just an exception for very good citizen who created

1506
01:08:04.655 --> 01:08:08.615
a very, very appreciated and used book exchange.

1507
01:08:09.515 --> 01:08:14.375
Um, on another quick, uh, aside, I do not know,

1508
01:08:14.595 --> 01:08:18.885
but I would appreciate if you consider a defibrillator

1509
01:08:19.465 --> 01:08:22.245
as somewhere in the village of Bel Air

1510
01:08:22.715 --> 01:08:24.845
that could be used in an emergency.

1511
01:08:24.845 --> 01:08:25.845
We're getting outside the scope of the hearing

1512
01:08:25.905 --> 01:08:26.365
at this point.

1513
01:08:26.425 --> 01:08:28.045
Mr. Chair. Pardon me? Pardon?

1514
01:08:28.045 --> 01:08:29.605
We're getting outside the scope of the hearing. Yeah.

1515
01:08:29.605 --> 01:08:30.765
That we need, we need to keep it to

1516
01:08:30.765 --> 01:08:31.765
Something totally separate.

1517
01:08:32.435 --> 01:08:35.925
This is a separate jack. This is a separate issue.

1518
01:08:35.945 --> 01:08:37.565
So Oh, can't, no

1519
01:08:37.565 --> 01:08:38.565
Problem. Sorry.

1520
01:08:38.565 --> 01:08:40.125
Thank you for your service.

1521
01:08:40.295 --> 01:08:42.365
Thank you for consideration on this very

1522
01:08:43.085 --> 01:08:44.725
appreciative matter.

1523
01:08:46.315 --> 01:08:48.005
Mark, from a legal stand.

1524
01:08:50.985 --> 01:08:54.045
Can, can I just reiterate it once again that

1525
01:08:54.605 --> 01:08:57.205
I was under complete?

1526
01:08:57.965 --> 01:09:02.325
I mean, I believe the 110% that this arc was approved,

1527
01:09:02.825 --> 01:09:06.965
the way that I understood it to be built, right, 110%.

1528
01:09:07.445 --> 01:09:11.245
I had no idea that there was any medi, uh,

1529
01:09:11.245 --> 01:09:15.525
modification made to it by the, the builder.

1530
01:09:16.525 --> 01:09:19.565
Absolutely none. I came at this full-hearted.

1531
01:09:19.845 --> 01:09:23.005
I believed, I mean, I believed with everything I have,

1532
01:09:23.105 --> 01:09:25.405
and I swear I did not know

1533
01:09:25.515 --> 01:09:28.485
that they submitted something different from

1534
01:09:28.485 --> 01:09:32.565
what I have approved with them prior to, to this being done.

1535
01:09:32.755 --> 01:09:35.765
Yeah, I understand. Mark.

1536
01:09:36.275 --> 01:09:40.085
Typically with the right of way, when do we find

1537
01:09:40.085 --> 01:09:42.445
that there's a problem with that throughout the villages?

1538
01:09:42.445 --> 01:09:44.445
When, when somebody is, I mean,

1539
01:09:44.445 --> 01:09:46.605
when there's gonna be a utility problem, some,

1540
01:09:46.745 --> 01:09:48.565
it generally doesn't become a problem

1541
01:09:48.665 --> 01:09:51.965
unless somebody has to utilize why there's a right of way,

1542
01:09:51.965 --> 01:09:53.885
whether it's utility, whether it's something like that.

1543
01:09:54.145 --> 01:09:56.365
So people have right aways all the time, all over the place.

1544
01:09:56.465 --> 01:09:58.525
We all have them. You know, if it's not brought

1545
01:09:58.525 --> 01:10:00.645
to anyone's attention, if they're not doing anything wrong,

1546
01:10:00.705 --> 01:10:03.285
if nothing's going through, you know, historically

1547
01:10:03.315 --> 01:10:04.965
what has been the problem, well,

1548
01:10:05.585 --> 01:10:08.845
in the bottom line on the distance has to do, if there's,

1549
01:10:08.845 --> 01:10:11.525
like the road is blocked, there's an, an accident.

1550
01:10:11.635 --> 01:10:13.805
Emergency emergency vehicles can,

1551
01:10:14.705 --> 01:10:17.525
can rotate up onto the grass and go around them

1552
01:10:17.525 --> 01:10:19.365
and stuff like that to get by. That's,

1553
01:10:19.775 --> 01:10:21.005
There are also setbacks.

1554
01:10:21.265 --> 01:10:23.445
Uh, your, your manual provides for setbacks

1555
01:10:23.445 --> 01:10:25.365
that certain area, certain things can't be built

1556
01:10:25.365 --> 01:10:26.405
within that setback here.

1557
01:10:26.485 --> 01:10:28.405
I think it's three and a half feet from the property line.

1558
01:10:29.065 --> 01:10:33.545
Um, so, so they're way

1559
01:10:33.545 --> 01:10:34.545
beyond their property line.

1560
01:10:34.545 --> 01:10:36.945
They don't even meet the setbacks of your own rules.

1561
01:10:37.605 --> 01:10:39.105
That's issue. I'm, I'm willing

1562
01:10:39.105 --> 01:10:41.145
to accept responsibility if you,

1563
01:10:41.245 --> 01:10:43.225
if you would approve it on a condition

1564
01:10:43.495 --> 01:10:46.985
that if there is an emergency, they need to go up there,

1565
01:10:47.535 --> 01:10:49.345
destroy it at my expense.

1566
01:10:50.125 --> 01:10:52.305
If there's a reason that there's something that has

1567
01:10:52.305 --> 01:10:53.665
to be done in that easement,

1568
01:10:54.375 --> 01:10:57.425
it's my responsibility. I have it there.

1569
01:10:58.025 --> 01:11:00.665
I think at this point, unless there's further questions

1570
01:11:00.885 --> 01:11:03.705
for the public or testimony,

1571
01:11:03.765 --> 01:11:04.825
we can close the public hearing.

1572
01:11:04.825 --> 01:11:06.505
Yeah, I can. And get into discussions about the issues.

1573
01:11:06.645 --> 01:11:08.545
We got all the information on the table that we need.

1574
01:11:08.605 --> 01:11:09.865
We appreciate it. Okay.

1575
01:11:10.085 --> 01:11:11.625
So thank you very much for your time.

1576
01:11:11.985 --> 01:11:14.685
I really appreciate it. And thank you supporters.

1577
01:11:15.565 --> 01:11:16.565
I love you guys.

1578
01:11:17.745 --> 01:11:19.205
So we'll go ahead and close the public hearing.

1579
01:11:20.225 --> 01:11:22.165
So again, the issue here is the failure

1580
01:11:22.185 --> 01:11:24.485
to meet the setbacks required by, um,

1581
01:11:25.225 --> 01:11:26.365
at a minimum the manual,

1582
01:11:26.625 --> 01:11:29.445
and I'm not sure Matt can probably testify as to this,

1583
01:11:29.505 --> 01:11:32.205
but whether those setbacks are

1584
01:11:32.205 --> 01:11:33.405
also in the deed restrictions.

1585
01:11:33.905 --> 01:11:36.965
But I know the manual that you've approved, um, requires

1586
01:11:36.965 --> 01:11:38.525
that three and a half feet from the property line,

1587
01:11:39.715 --> 01:11:41.165
Well, that is three and a half feet.

1588
01:11:42.225 --> 01:11:44.325
The deed restrictions do establish setbacks.

1589
01:11:44.405 --> 01:11:45.965
I don't know with this being a corner lot

1590
01:11:45.965 --> 01:11:47.765
what this one specific would be for this lot.

1591
01:11:47.765 --> 01:11:49.165
So I'd have to review that further.

1592
01:11:49.265 --> 01:11:51.045
But there are setbacks established

1593
01:11:51.065 --> 01:11:52.885
and also within your architectural review manual

1594
01:11:52.945 --> 01:11:54.525
for any structures within these areas

1595
01:11:54.665 --> 01:11:55.805
do have setbacks as well.

1596
01:11:56.495 --> 01:11:58.445
Could we also at the same time try

1597
01:11:58.445 --> 01:12:01.165
to determine if in fact there are utilities

1598
01:12:01.635 --> 01:12:02.805
approximate to this?

1599
01:12:03.145 --> 01:12:04.845
You know, if there's, if there's, for instance,

1600
01:12:04.845 --> 01:12:06.045
if there's a sewer, does

1601
01:12:06.045 --> 01:12:07.205
it go down the center of the street?

1602
01:12:07.315 --> 01:12:09.245
Does it go on the left side of the road?

1603
01:12:09.245 --> 01:12:10.565
Does it go on the right side of the road?

1604
01:12:10.845 --> 01:12:14.245
I mean, what would be, what would be impinging upon if this

1605
01:12:14.245 --> 01:12:17.205
is a right of way, a right of way to do what And,

1606
01:12:17.205 --> 01:12:18.245
and who, I mean,

1607
01:12:18.285 --> 01:12:19.725
I understand there's setbacks, but you know,

1608
01:12:20.015 --> 01:12:21.645
There, they've done work there

1609
01:12:21.645 --> 01:12:26.005
because the fire hydrant in the fire hydrant there.

1610
01:12:26.505 --> 01:12:30.805
And they did have it mapped out for work for repairing

1611
01:12:30.805 --> 01:12:32.965
that when they had to do the piping wall

1612
01:12:32.965 --> 01:12:34.645
with the fire hydrant and stuff around.

1613
01:12:34.735 --> 01:12:36.805
Thank, thank you ma'am. But unfortunately, the,

1614
01:12:36.825 --> 01:12:37.925
the public hearing portion,

1615
01:12:38.035 --> 01:12:39.845
Yeah, public hearing is hearing is closed.

1616
01:12:40.235 --> 01:12:43.045
Different asked when,

1617
01:12:43.745 --> 01:12:46.965
but the public hearing has been, you're aware they have done

1618
01:12:46.965 --> 01:12:48.285
work, appreciate the information,

1619
01:12:48.385 --> 01:12:49.725
but the public hearing has been closed.

1620
01:12:50.225 --> 01:12:52.005
Public comments are closed right now.

1621
01:12:53.025 --> 01:12:54.245
So generally speaking,

1622
01:12:54.425 --> 01:12:58.005
and it, this is a Sumter County Road right of way.

1623
01:12:58.025 --> 01:12:59.365
Mm-hmm. So this isn't,

1624
01:12:59.435 --> 01:13:01.605
this isn't even your road right of way.

1625
01:13:01.605 --> 01:13:03.485
This is Sumter County Road right of way.

1626
01:13:04.065 --> 01:13:07.245
And you're right, anytime you build into the easement,

1627
01:13:07.865 --> 01:13:09.285
you do so at your own risk.

1628
01:13:09.625 --> 01:13:11.285
So if you do anything

1629
01:13:11.425 --> 01:13:12.805
and not the road right of way,

1630
01:13:12.805 --> 01:13:14.445
if you do anything in an easement,

1631
01:13:14.985 --> 01:13:17.805
the application clearly states that if somebody has

1632
01:13:17.805 --> 01:13:19.565
to go into that easement, whether it's

1633
01:13:20.355 --> 01:13:25.245
seco you water utility for any reason, that they will go

1634
01:13:25.245 --> 01:13:27.845
through the pavers or they will do whatever they need to do

1635
01:13:28.625 --> 01:13:30.205
at the homeowner's expense.

1636
01:13:30.495 --> 01:13:32.845
Right. This isn't that she did it

1637
01:13:32.845 --> 01:13:34.725
where she knew it was gonna be at her expense.

1638
01:13:34.955 --> 01:13:38.165
Unfortunately, this is clearly prohibited

1639
01:13:38.945 --> 01:13:41.285
in encroaching into the road right away.

1640
01:13:41.745 --> 01:13:45.085
So it's not that it is, okay, well we'll leave it

1641
01:13:45.085 --> 01:13:46.565
because it's just an easement.

1642
01:13:46.715 --> 01:13:48.445
This is not even on her property.

1643
01:13:48.675 --> 01:13:51.005
This is halfway in Central County's property,

1644
01:13:51.115 --> 01:13:53.365
halfway in the easement and on her property.

1645
01:13:53.555 --> 01:13:55.805
This, this structure isn't something

1646
01:13:55.805 --> 01:13:59.005
that in any district would've been permitted based on

1647
01:13:59.145 --> 01:14:00.765
how it's not even on her

1648
01:14:01.005 --> 01:14:02.005
Property. Should the landscaper

1649
01:14:02.005 --> 01:14:02.805
not have known that.

1650
01:14:04.215 --> 01:14:06.335
I mean, they should, if I paid that kind of money

1651
01:14:06.435 --> 01:14:07.815
for somebody to put in like that

1652
01:14:07.955 --> 01:14:10.935
and they blatantly violated what should have been known

1653
01:14:11.045 --> 01:14:13.125
to them, you know, throughout this whole area.

1654
01:14:13.505 --> 01:14:15.805
You know, it seems to me like the problems

1655
01:14:15.805 --> 01:14:17.085
with the landscape, you know, I mean,

1656
01:14:17.265 --> 01:14:19.765
And she may have recourse against the landscaper, right?

1657
01:14:20.905 --> 01:14:22.765
That's right. It, it is a private right of action

1658
01:14:22.765 --> 01:14:25.205
that she likely does have against the, the landscaper.

1659
01:14:25.305 --> 01:14:27.045
Um, again, but that's outside the scope of

1660
01:14:27.045 --> 01:14:28.285
what we can decide here today.

1661
01:14:28.385 --> 01:14:29.645
You have to abide by your rules.

1662
01:14:29.645 --> 01:14:31.525
Your rules say three and a half foot setback.

1663
01:14:32.185 --> 01:14:35.125
So we can't, there's really nothing we can do about this.

1664
01:14:35.805 --> 01:14:38.565
'cause uh, it's on like sum County property and so forth,

1665
01:14:39.015 --> 01:14:41.485
Other than have her work with community standards to bring

1666
01:14:41.485 --> 01:14:42.725
that property into compliance

1667
01:14:42.785 --> 01:14:46.405
and they can help her, um, locate it to

1668
01:14:46.405 --> 01:14:48.245
where it will be in compliance with your rule.

1669
01:14:48.265 --> 01:14:49.805
And again, it's, it's not the library.

1670
01:14:50.195 --> 01:14:53.685
It's that the structure is just way beyond setbacks

1671
01:14:53.685 --> 01:14:56.245
and even beyond the, um, road right of way.

1672
01:14:56.425 --> 01:14:57.685
And I think that's a clear point.

1673
01:14:57.845 --> 01:14:59.965
I think that's a clear point for all the people here

1674
01:14:59.965 --> 01:15:01.125
that are interested in the books

1675
01:15:01.425 --> 01:15:02.605
and, and what she's tried to do.

1676
01:15:02.625 --> 01:15:04.165
And, and, and God bless her for that.

1677
01:15:04.345 --> 01:15:05.925
You know, you're not debating the fact

1678
01:15:05.925 --> 01:15:08.565
that we're not talking the fact that the structure itself

1679
01:15:09.305 --> 01:15:11.805
was not permitted because the a RC is saying it was,

1680
01:15:12.195 --> 01:15:13.405
it's where it was located.

1681
01:15:13.545 --> 01:15:16.245
So therefore I would go a hundred percent against

1682
01:15:16.245 --> 01:15:18.885
that landscaper if, if I paid that kind of money.

1683
01:15:19.185 --> 01:15:20.325
You know, I'm are saying

1684
01:15:20.325 --> 01:15:21.725
It needs to be this ma'am.

1685
01:15:21.725 --> 01:15:23.845
Community standards will work with you.

1686
01:15:23.955 --> 01:15:26.525
They will look at your specific deed restrictions,

1687
01:15:26.525 --> 01:15:29.285
your site plan, and they can help you fill out the

1688
01:15:29.285 --> 01:15:30.565
application and show you

1689
01:15:30.945 --> 01:15:34.125
and even send a, a decompliance officer to your home

1690
01:15:34.225 --> 01:15:36.845
to help show you where that, where

1691
01:15:36.845 --> 01:15:38.205
that area needs to be changed.

1692
01:15:38.755 --> 01:15:39.725
That, that's something that

1693
01:15:39.725 --> 01:15:40.965
can't happen in the board meeting.

1694
01:15:41.305 --> 01:15:43.445
But they will work with you outside of this.

1695
01:15:44.145 --> 01:15:45.285
Are you not able to,

1696
01:15:47.225 --> 01:15:49.325
We have to have all discussions on the record one,

1697
01:15:49.325 --> 01:15:51.485
but no, there, there can be no exceptions. Granted,

1698
01:15:52.395 --> 01:15:56.325
Unfortunately, well, this is, I well,

1699
01:15:56.675 --> 01:15:59.125
it's an unfortunate situation and I understand.

1700
01:15:59.125 --> 01:16:01.365
Yeah, but I'm the negative aspects of it that,

1701
01:16:01.635 --> 01:16:03.125
that it occurred, uh,

1702
01:16:03.385 --> 01:16:06.245
and you didn't understand what was actually going to occur,

1703
01:16:06.715 --> 01:16:08.285
what was approved versus what was done.

1704
01:16:08.285 --> 01:16:10.885
And that, and that's an an unfortunate situation.

1705
01:16:11.425 --> 01:16:15.285
I'm, I am immensely familiar with this

1706
01:16:15.285 --> 01:16:18.365
because I'm a user, I'm one of the individuals

1707
01:16:18.365 --> 01:16:20.365
who have visited the book Nip,

1708
01:16:21.065 --> 01:16:22.925
and it's an, it's also a good place

1709
01:16:22.925 --> 01:16:24.525
after I finished reading something

1710
01:16:24.825 --> 01:16:26.165
to be able to drop it off.

1711
01:16:26.725 --> 01:16:28.445
'cause I don't want it on the shelf anymore.

1712
01:16:29.185 --> 01:16:30.445
But I, I've used it.

1713
01:16:30.845 --> 01:16:33.645
I also have seen it several times, gone by it a lot.

1714
01:16:34.205 --> 01:16:37.565
I think it's an, an attractive addition to the property.

1715
01:16:37.885 --> 01:16:42.525
I recognize the idea that it is, it violates the setback.

1716
01:16:42.595 --> 01:16:43.845
It's in the right, right of way.

1717
01:16:45.305 --> 01:16:48.845
But we see this on a regular basis with other properties.

1718
01:16:49.065 --> 01:16:50.645
And you pointed out,

1719
01:16:50.645 --> 01:16:53.565
and I agree with this, if the county had to come through,

1720
01:16:54.025 --> 01:16:55.685
if the district had to come through

1721
01:16:56.185 --> 01:17:00.165
and do some work, it's her responsibility.

1722
01:17:00.265 --> 01:17:02.725
The county's not gonna reimburse her for whatever happens.

1723
01:17:03.355 --> 01:17:06.085
Part of it could be destroyed, part of it could be dug up,

1724
01:17:06.355 --> 01:17:07.645
part of it could be damaged.

1725
01:17:08.185 --> 01:17:10.205
That's not the county's responsibility,

1726
01:17:10.225 --> 01:17:12.205
that's not the district's responsibility

1727
01:17:12.355 --> 01:17:15.045
because it is in part of the setback

1728
01:17:15.265 --> 01:17:16.605
and it is the right of way.

1729
01:17:17.225 --> 01:17:19.965
But to me, to have her try

1730
01:17:19.965 --> 01:17:23.925
and adjust this by a few feet, I I find

1731
01:17:23.925 --> 01:17:28.885
that absurd based upon the idea that yeah, I, I agree

1732
01:17:28.885 --> 01:17:31.765
with you, but, but you see, if we turn around

1733
01:17:31.825 --> 01:17:34.045
and say, fine, we're gonna leave this

1734
01:17:34.225 --> 01:17:36.965
and we will allow this without precedent

1735
01:17:37.825 --> 01:17:39.725
and that we allow it with prejudice.

1736
01:17:41.325 --> 01:17:43.965
I, it we can deal with this

1737
01:17:44.545 --> 01:17:48.145
and make it so that the service that Mrs.

1738
01:17:48.165 --> 01:17:51.025
Ms. Bryant is providing to the community continues

1739
01:17:51.565 --> 01:17:54.305
and people continue to get to enjoy it.

1740
01:17:55.025 --> 01:17:57.785
I don't, you know, there are times when, to me,

1741
01:18:00.645 --> 01:18:04.705
Making an exception makes a point.

1742
01:18:05.325 --> 01:18:09.305
Now we've also, we also can make it clear

1743
01:18:10.275 --> 01:18:12.545
we're not necessarily gonna approve this again,

1744
01:18:12.925 --> 01:18:15.265
but in this case, a whole lot

1745
01:18:15.265 --> 01:18:18.105
of money has been expended not for her benefit.

1746
01:18:19.265 --> 01:18:21.785
Joanne's not getting, and I don't know Ms. Branch,

1747
01:18:21.855 --> 01:18:23.145
this is the first that I've met her.

1748
01:18:23.525 --> 01:18:25.385
And I, when I say met her, I haven't really,

1749
01:18:26.905 --> 01:18:29.405
but this is not something that she's done for herself.

1750
01:18:30.505 --> 01:18:33.285
The money that she's expended has not been for her own

1751
01:18:34.205 --> 01:18:35.965
personal benefit.

1752
01:18:36.655 --> 01:18:38.725
She's done this for the benefit of individuals

1753
01:18:38.725 --> 01:18:41.325
who use the service, including me.

1754
01:18:41.905 --> 01:18:44.645
And as a result, I am not gonna sit here

1755
01:18:44.645 --> 01:18:47.925
and vote to, to allow

1756
01:18:48.505 --> 01:18:51.005
or to force her to make a change

1757
01:18:51.625 --> 01:18:54.605
and respend this money all over again.

1758
01:18:54.945 --> 01:18:57.925
To me, this is an exception that needs to get made.

1759
01:18:58.305 --> 01:19:02.285
And to me, this exception can be made without precedent

1760
01:19:03.425 --> 01:19:04.645
and with prejudice,

1761
01:19:05.395 --> 01:19:06.045
Help the people

1762
01:19:10.475 --> 01:19:13.325
From, Just, from a legal standpoint,

1763
01:19:13.325 --> 01:19:14.485
liability purposes.

1764
01:19:15.225 --> 01:19:18.285
You can't pick and choose that, that's selective enforcement

1765
01:19:18.385 --> 01:19:20.925
and that you run the risk of a li I'm sorry,

1766
01:19:21.145 --> 01:19:23.005
you run the risk of liability if you do that.

1767
01:19:23.085 --> 01:19:25.165
I under I understand your position, um,

1768
01:19:25.185 --> 01:19:27.645
and I understand, um, the position of the property owner,

1769
01:19:27.665 --> 01:19:31.245
but from a legal standpoint, even if you approve this

1770
01:19:31.265 --> 01:19:33.165
and say, this is the only time we're gonna do it,

1771
01:19:33.705 --> 01:19:35.845
that's even more of a selective enforcement.

1772
01:19:35.845 --> 01:19:38.325
Because you're saying if somebody else comes in the same

1773
01:19:38.565 --> 01:19:39.885
position, you're not gonna grant it,

1774
01:19:39.885 --> 01:19:41.085
but you granted it to one owner.

1775
01:19:41.665 --> 01:19:43.925
So there are liability issues.

1776
01:19:44.065 --> 01:19:45.245
Um, ultimately, you know,

1777
01:19:45.245 --> 01:19:46.805
you guys are the ones who make the decision.

1778
01:19:46.905 --> 01:19:48.205
You vote on what you want to do.

1779
01:19:48.825 --> 01:19:50.445
Um, but from a legal standpoint,

1780
01:19:50.525 --> 01:19:51.645
I do have some concerns with

1781
01:19:52.725 --> 01:19:53.725
I see. To me,

1782
01:19:53.725 --> 01:19:55.205
allowing it, I understand your point,

1783
01:19:56.485 --> 01:19:58.745
and I'm still in a position, I,

1784
01:19:59.025 --> 01:20:01.265
I can drop the idea without precedent.

1785
01:20:01.685 --> 01:20:02.865
That's not a problem.

1786
01:20:03.365 --> 01:20:06.145
So that, yeah, we'll listen to the next person who comes in,

1787
01:20:06.685 --> 01:20:10.885
but I, I'm not gonna vote to, to incur fines

1788
01:20:10.885 --> 01:20:14.365
or to, to do anything else with regard

1789
01:20:14.365 --> 01:20:15.445
to this piece of property.

1790
01:20:15.805 --> 01:20:19.005
I think Ms. Bryant has done something that, first of all,

1791
01:20:20.565 --> 01:20:22.365
I think it's attractive enough.

1792
01:20:22.845 --> 01:20:25.405
I mean, she spent a lot of money to get it to that point.

1793
01:20:26.145 --> 01:20:29.085
And I think it serves a purpose for the neighborhood.

1794
01:20:29.645 --> 01:20:32.685
I will not, I will not support any action

1795
01:20:32.945 --> 01:20:37.685
that's being taken against this, uh, piece of property.

1796
01:20:37.745 --> 01:20:41.085
And Ms. Bryant, I, I think it's, this is a time

1797
01:20:41.085 --> 01:20:44.325
to overlook the exception or to look at the exception.

1798
01:20:44.585 --> 01:20:47.845
And I recognize we are assuming some liability,

1799
01:20:48.745 --> 01:20:52.725
but okay, this is liability on the benefit of,

1800
01:20:52.825 --> 01:20:54.245
of the community.

1801
01:20:56.715 --> 01:21:01.165
Okay. Okay, Mr. Now this just a question.

1802
01:21:02.425 --> 01:21:06.965
Um, This would actually have to be

1803
01:21:08.125 --> 01:21:10.605
adjusted by just a few feet to be in compliance.

1804
01:21:10.605 --> 01:21:12.365
Correct? We would still need

1805
01:21:12.365 --> 01:21:15.085
to review the deed restrictions, the setbacks

1806
01:21:15.085 --> 01:21:16.685
for those areas, and you may not.

1807
01:21:16.685 --> 01:21:17.885
And we can establish a place

1808
01:21:17.885 --> 01:21:20.485
where this can exist on the property.

1809
01:21:21.355 --> 01:21:25.045
Okay. But as it, as it currently sits, it,

1810
01:21:25.105 --> 01:21:26.285
it, it is in violation.

1811
01:21:26.285 --> 01:21:27.965
It is in violation where it currently sits.

1812
01:21:29.035 --> 01:21:31.405
This is, I also will point out,

1813
01:21:31.405 --> 01:21:32.565
so everybody understands this,

1814
01:21:32.795 --> 01:21:34.885
this is probably in the best place

1815
01:21:35.515 --> 01:21:37.225
throughout all of district three.

1816
01:21:37.575 --> 01:21:41.185
That street it has been pointed out, there's nothing,

1817
01:21:42.325 --> 01:21:44.385
no driveways, no homes.

1818
01:21:45.165 --> 01:21:49.525
So it's not a case of if somebody stops as I have,

1819
01:21:49.785 --> 01:21:52.165
if somebody stops and is on the side of the road

1820
01:21:52.665 --> 01:21:54.085
to go through the book nook.

1821
01:21:54.985 --> 01:21:57.885
But the, but the, the county would get involved in this

1822
01:21:57.885 --> 01:22:00.165
because of where it's located and all that stuff.

1823
01:22:00.345 --> 01:22:02.005
But if the county needs to come in

1824
01:22:02.005 --> 01:22:04.485
and dig it up, let the county come dig it up, that's fine.

1825
01:22:04.785 --> 01:22:06.605
Are you willing to accept that Ms. Brian?

1826
01:22:10.185 --> 01:22:14.995
Okay. I mean, this is an un this is, uh,

1827
01:22:15.215 --> 01:22:16.395
an unusual situation.

1828
01:22:17.115 --> 01:22:20.555
Absolutely. And I believe Ms. Bryant did everything in good

1829
01:22:20.555 --> 01:22:23.715
faith and basically got shafted.

1830
01:22:23.975 --> 01:22:25.435
And I'm not about to, you know,

1831
01:22:25.615 --> 01:22:27.555
she got screwed once, I'm not gonna do it again.

1832
01:22:27.555 --> 01:22:30.075
Well, yeah, but the screwing was by the landscaper.

1833
01:22:30.075 --> 01:22:32.755
The screwing was not by us, and it was not by a RC.

1834
01:22:32.815 --> 01:22:34.875
The screwing was by the landscape. I agree.

1835
01:22:35.575 --> 01:22:39.755
And the first thing that I would expect would, would suggest

1836
01:22:39.775 --> 01:22:42.315
to Ms. Bryant is even though we,

1837
01:22:42.715 --> 01:22:44.795
whatever action we take today, I would've already done it.

1838
01:22:45.535 --> 01:22:46.635
Oh, I understand that.

1839
01:22:46.935 --> 01:22:49.315
But at this point, she needs

1840
01:22:49.315 --> 01:22:50.835
to pursue it with the landscaper.

1841
01:22:51.905 --> 01:22:54.435
Well, perhaps we can put this into a advance until

1842
01:22:54.705 --> 01:22:57.595
that has taken place civilly, and she can go ahead and sue

1843
01:22:57.775 --> 01:22:59.435
and see what the result is gonna be of that

1844
01:22:59.435 --> 01:23:01.435
because process, let him incur the cost

1845
01:23:01.435 --> 01:23:03.675
of moving this spac if in fact it has to go back

1846
01:23:03.975 --> 01:23:06.485
and we can wait until something happens there.

1847
01:23:06.805 --> 01:23:09.325
I mean, that to me is what I think we should be able to do.

1848
01:23:09.565 --> 01:23:11.005
I could, well, I I would tend to think

1849
01:23:11.005 --> 01:23:12.445
that whatever work would've to be done

1850
01:23:12.465 --> 01:23:14.365
to move it back a little bit would not be

1851
01:23:14.765 --> 01:23:16.165
tremendously expensive.

1852
01:23:16.615 --> 01:23:18.485
Would you agree? Nothing. Let them figure that out

1853
01:23:18.485 --> 01:23:21.125
through a RC through Matt and the landscaper.

1854
01:23:21.365 --> 01:23:23.365
I mean, he should certainly stand behind his work.

1855
01:23:23.565 --> 01:23:26.245
I I would think, you know, from a legal standpoint,

1856
01:23:26.295 --> 01:23:29.125
let's let, let them go ahead and, and work the thing out

1857
01:23:29.265 --> 01:23:30.845
and see if he's gonna move the thing back

1858
01:23:30.845 --> 01:23:32.405
and he's gonna incur those costs.

1859
01:23:33.045 --> 01:23:34.965
I would say, um, I agree

1860
01:23:34.965 --> 01:23:37.445
that you can give this property owner additional time.

1861
01:23:37.605 --> 01:23:39.845
I would hesitate to give them the time to litigate,

1862
01:23:39.845 --> 01:23:42.485
because as we know, litigation can take over a year.

1863
01:23:42.675 --> 01:23:44.205
Yeah. And at the end of the day,

1864
01:23:45.105 --> 01:23:47.085
if this property owner incurs fines

1865
01:23:47.085 --> 01:23:49.845
because of what that landscaper did, those are fines

1866
01:23:49.845 --> 01:23:52.365
that can be recovered in litigation in a private lawsuit

1867
01:23:52.365 --> 01:23:53.525
between the property owner

1868
01:23:53.525 --> 01:23:57.405
and the landscaper as fines that were incurred as a result

1869
01:23:57.405 --> 01:24:00.685
of, uh, work that was done improperly

1870
01:24:00.905 --> 01:24:03.405
or not in accordance with the property owner's approval.

1871
01:24:06.065 --> 01:24:09.725
To me, any kind of adjudication

1872
01:24:09.725 --> 01:24:12.125
that way is simply kicking the can down the street.

1873
01:24:12.575 --> 01:24:15.285
We're gonna face it again if we keep marching forward.

1874
01:24:15.885 --> 01:24:17.565
I, I don't like the situation.

1875
01:24:18.265 --> 01:24:20.045
I'm not happy with the situation,

1876
01:24:20.865 --> 01:24:25.325
but I, I believe Ms. Bryant did everything in good faith.

1877
01:24:26.305 --> 01:24:28.565
And it also serves the community.

1878
01:24:28.985 --> 01:24:31.685
And, and there are times, listen, there are times I,

1879
01:24:32.395 --> 01:24:35.485
with kids, I did it all the time where

1880
01:24:36.615 --> 01:24:38.165
rules were rules in school,

1881
01:24:38.225 --> 01:24:39.805
and I was the assistant principal,

1882
01:24:39.805 --> 01:24:42.605
and I said, okay, I'm gonna be blind to it this time.

1883
01:24:43.445 --> 01:24:45.645
I just, I won't support any action.

1884
01:24:48.315 --> 01:24:50.605
Okay? Okay.

1885
01:24:51.505 --> 01:24:54.125
So you would just, if, if there's no further discussion,

1886
01:24:54.125 --> 01:24:55.165
you would either need a motion

1887
01:24:55.165 --> 01:24:56.925
to accept staff's recommendation

1888
01:24:57.025 --> 01:24:58.685
or to not find her violation,

1889
01:24:58.825 --> 01:25:01.325
and then just see where that goes with the board.

1890
01:25:05.545 --> 01:25:10.445
Uh, do we have a motion I move

1891
01:25:10.465 --> 01:25:15.285
to approve, uh, case number D three dash oh two dash 26

1892
01:25:15.645 --> 01:25:19.005
BCDD number three versus the, well, that's,

1893
01:25:20.545 --> 01:25:23.125
If it's, if it's to accept staff's recommendation,

1894
01:25:23.145 --> 01:25:25.725
you can just say motion to accept staff's recommendation.

1895
01:25:25.835 --> 01:25:28.925
Well, I, and then you could change the timeline if there was

1896
01:25:28.925 --> 01:25:30.605
additional time you wanted to. Okay.

1897
01:25:30.685 --> 01:25:33.605
I adjust the timeline appropriately.

1898
01:25:34.225 --> 01:25:37.965
How so approve that. Suggest suggested 45 days.

1899
01:25:38.315 --> 01:25:42.325
What, what timeline would you like to add knowing that

1900
01:25:42.645 --> 01:25:45.045
although this board doesn't typically waive fines,

1901
01:25:45.345 --> 01:25:47.325
if this board did find her in violation

1902
01:25:47.665 --> 01:25:51.205
and it took her longer to work through with the contractor

1903
01:25:51.305 --> 01:25:53.845
to move it back, you also would have the ability

1904
01:25:53.865 --> 01:25:56.845
to waive any type of fines that were incurred if you thought

1905
01:25:56.845 --> 01:25:58.605
that that was appropriate for the

1906
01:25:58.885 --> 01:25:59.885
Situation. That was my

1907
01:25:59.885 --> 01:26:01.285
original, that was gonna be my question.

1908
01:26:01.705 --> 01:26:05.725
You can find and, and uphold what it is, but we can defer

1909
01:26:05.725 --> 01:26:08.605
or absolutely say there's not gonna be any fines whatsoever

1910
01:26:08.705 --> 01:26:10.525
as a result of the action. That's

1911
01:26:10.525 --> 01:26:11.525
Right. So, I mean, just if,

1912
01:26:11.525 --> 01:26:12.845
if you ended up finding her

1913
01:26:12.845 --> 01:26:15.365
because she didn't come into compliance, she then came

1914
01:26:15.365 --> 01:26:18.565
and said it took the contractor 75 days

1915
01:26:18.625 --> 01:26:20.565
to move it back instead of the 45,

1916
01:26:20.855 --> 01:26:22.965
would you consider waiving the fines?

1917
01:26:23.185 --> 01:26:25.285
You could waive all of your fines at that point,

1918
01:26:25.855 --> 01:26:28.525
Which could be consider also give enough time for,

1919
01:26:28.825 --> 01:26:30.405
and even though though it may take a year

1920
01:26:30.425 --> 01:26:31.525
for the civil litigation.

1921
01:26:31.635 --> 01:26:33.965
Want think I still wanna see that resolution?

1922
01:26:34.305 --> 01:26:37.045
You know, I, I, so we,

1923
01:26:37.365 --> 01:26:40.045
I still think we should not let this landscaper, you know,

1924
01:26:40.185 --> 01:26:42.925
get by and do things that are, that are in violation

1925
01:26:43.185 --> 01:26:46.325
and she has to suffer or we have to go on record and, and,

1926
01:26:46.345 --> 01:26:47.925
and say that, you know, I mean,

1927
01:26:47.935 --> 01:26:49.485
there was clearly a problem here.

1928
01:26:49.585 --> 01:26:51.645
And she has done everything right.

1929
01:26:52.265 --> 01:26:54.085
You know, the landscaper is

1930
01:26:54.085 --> 01:26:55.205
the problem here as far as I'm know.

1931
01:26:55.225 --> 01:26:57.885
But we could, Terry, we could wind up in a situation where,

1932
01:26:58.595 --> 01:27:01.125
okay, she confronts the landscaper

1933
01:27:01.425 --> 01:27:04.805
and the landscaper says, you're, you're on your own.

1934
01:27:04.815 --> 01:27:07.685
We're not doing a thing. Then we wind up in litigation.

1935
01:27:07.745 --> 01:27:08.805
And as Mark said,

1936
01:27:09.105 --> 01:27:12.165
the litigation could wind up being a year, two years.

1937
01:27:12.845 --> 01:27:15.485
I mean, I, and I mean, you look at the overall

1938
01:27:16.035 --> 01:27:19.885
cost potentially of, of the work that had

1939
01:27:19.885 --> 01:27:21.285
to be done versus litigation.

1940
01:27:22.035 --> 01:27:23.845
That doesn't make sense to me.

1941
01:27:23.845 --> 01:27:24.965
Oh, I, I don't disagree with you,

1942
01:27:24.985 --> 01:27:29.165
but I, I mean, I'm only using what Ms. Bryant said.

1943
01:27:29.205 --> 01:27:30.885
I believe it was $8,500.

1944
01:27:31.565 --> 01:27:33.285
I mean, to do the whole thing to,

1945
01:27:33.385 --> 01:27:34.965
but yeah, to do the whole thing.

1946
01:27:35.545 --> 01:27:38.725
And as a result, this is one of those cases of, yeah,

1947
01:27:38.935 --> 01:27:41.165
litigation may very well cost more than

1948
01:27:41.165 --> 01:27:42.525
that when it's all said and done.

1949
01:27:43.865 --> 01:27:46.485
But to me, this is again, one of those cases of

1950
01:27:47.345 --> 01:27:50.445
if we decide we're gonna wait on the landscaper,

1951
01:27:52.195 --> 01:27:54.725
I've seen more landscapers go out of business then,

1952
01:27:55.155 --> 01:27:56.245
then stay in business.

1953
01:27:56.605 --> 01:27:57.685
I mean, and as a result

1954
01:27:57.945 --> 01:28:00.365
or they change their name, they move, I,

1955
01:28:01.265 --> 01:28:04.925
I'm just not gonna support negative action against her.

1956
01:28:05.285 --> 01:28:07.685
I, we But Terry, you just said, I think we've heard that I,

1957
01:28:07.785 --> 01:28:10.645
you know, it's time to go with are we going

1958
01:28:10.645 --> 01:28:12.165
to make a motion or not?

1959
01:28:12.385 --> 01:28:13.725
And I'm ready to make a motion.

1960
01:28:13.725 --> 01:28:14.845
Well, you make, make a motion.

1961
01:28:15.035 --> 01:28:19.485
Make the motion case number D three dash oh one dash 26

1962
01:28:19.885 --> 01:28:24.845
BCDD number three versus Joanie g Bryant from

1963
01:28:25.385 --> 01:28:27.965
2290 Richmond Drive 32.

1964
01:28:27.985 --> 01:28:30.725
Is that a motion to accept SAS recommendation? Yes.

1965
01:28:32.635 --> 01:28:34.285
That it We have a second.

1966
01:28:37.705 --> 01:28:38.705
We do not have a second.

1967
01:28:40.305 --> 01:28:41.965
So does somebody else want to make a motion

1968
01:28:42.065 --> 01:28:44.885
to either extend the timeline with that's recommendation

1969
01:28:44.985 --> 01:28:47.125
or to find her and not in violation? I would,

1970
01:28:47.165 --> 01:28:48.165
I would not. I move to

1971
01:28:48.165 --> 01:28:51.205
find Ms. Bryant not in violation. I'm, I'm

1972
01:28:51.205 --> 01:28:51.685
Sorry. You're,

1973
01:28:52.125 --> 01:28:53.165
I, I would think that

1974
01:28:53.165 --> 01:28:55.005
You wouldn't find her not in violation,

1975
01:28:55.145 --> 01:28:58.365
but you would have a motion to not proceed any further with

1976
01:28:58.365 --> 01:28:59.365
The case. The motion is

1977
01:28:59.365 --> 01:29:01.485
to not find her in violation in

1978
01:29:01.485 --> 01:29:03.765
that we not proceed with this, uh, case.

1979
01:29:04.205 --> 01:29:07.205
I do. We have a second on that? Second. Second.

1980
01:29:07.545 --> 01:29:10.085
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1981
01:29:12.265 --> 01:29:13.645
Got it. Opposed.

1982
01:29:17.665 --> 01:29:21.805
What's that Favor? Everybody. Everybody in favor of that?

1983
01:29:22.025 --> 01:29:22.565
Yes. Yes.

1984
01:29:28.115 --> 01:29:30.445
Okay. Next is, uh,

1985
01:29:30.475 --> 01:29:33.765
case number D 3 0 2 26.

1986
01:29:34.385 --> 01:29:39.365
Uh, uh is VCDE number three versus the stated

1987
01:29:39.415 --> 01:29:41.525
elder f Johnson?

1988
01:29:42.545 --> 01:29:45.005
Yes, sir. Mr. Chair, the, uh, same rules apply

1989
01:29:45.005 --> 01:29:46.925
to this public hearing, and if there's anyone here

1990
01:29:46.925 --> 01:29:50.565
to testify as to case number D three dash zero two dash 26,

1991
01:29:51.065 --> 01:29:52.485
if you'd please stand and raise your right hand.

1992
01:29:57.505 --> 01:29:59.205
No, Mr. Armstrong has already been sworn.

1993
01:30:01.625 --> 01:30:03.085
We can open the public hearing at this time.

1994
01:30:03.755 --> 01:30:05.645
Okay. Open the public hearing. Hello.

1995
01:30:05.645 --> 01:30:07.805
Board Met Armstrong Community Standards before you.

1996
01:30:07.805 --> 01:30:12.565
We have case number D 3 26 D 3 0 2 2 6 Village

1997
01:30:12.565 --> 01:30:14.845
Community Development District number three versus the state

1998
01:30:14.965 --> 01:30:18.285
of Eleanor f Johnson at 32 73 Hopewell Street,

1999
01:30:18.285 --> 01:30:21.365
unit 40 lot 61 violation of the district's rule

2000
01:30:21.365 --> 01:30:22.485
to bring about decompliance.

2001
01:30:22.725 --> 01:30:24.685
Specifically, the rule of state shall be the responsibility

2002
01:30:24.685 --> 01:30:26.245
of the owners to keep their lots neat and clean

2003
01:30:26.245 --> 01:30:28.325
and the grass cut and irrigated and inched at all times.

2004
01:30:28.705 --> 01:30:30.525
The owner does not adhere to the irregulation,

2005
01:30:30.995 --> 01:30:33.485
then the work will be performed on behalf of the owner

2006
01:30:33.505 --> 01:30:35.045
and the cost should be charged to the owner.

2007
01:30:35.585 --> 01:30:36.685
So in this particular case,

2008
01:30:36.705 --> 01:30:39.485
we did receive a complaint on this property regarding

2009
01:30:40.075 --> 01:30:41.965
various landscaping concerns.

2010
01:30:42.585 --> 01:30:45.805
Uh, we reached out to known contact for the property.

2011
01:30:45.865 --> 01:30:47.405
It was our understanding that a church

2012
01:30:47.405 --> 01:30:48.485
was maintaining the property.

2013
01:30:48.625 --> 01:30:50.965
The probate company was maintaining the property.

2014
01:30:51.545 --> 01:30:54.045
Uh, we were in communication with both entities.

2015
01:30:54.105 --> 01:30:55.245
The church was in like, no,

2016
01:30:55.265 --> 01:30:57.005
the probate company that's doing it all now.

2017
01:30:57.005 --> 01:30:59.245
And so we worked with the attorney for the probate company

2018
01:30:59.305 --> 01:31:00.525
and they sent people out there.

2019
01:31:00.525 --> 01:31:01.645
They maintained the property,

2020
01:31:01.645 --> 01:31:04.685
but they failed to remove all of the violation,

2021
01:31:04.685 --> 01:31:06.965
which really was left was weeds remained on the property.

2022
01:31:06.965 --> 01:31:07.965
We did reach out to them.

2023
01:31:07.965 --> 01:31:09.605
They said they were going to schedule the work.

2024
01:31:09.635 --> 01:31:11.005
When we did the reinspection,

2025
01:31:11.025 --> 01:31:12.365
the work had not been complete.

2026
01:31:12.425 --> 01:31:14.645
So at this time, it is staff's recommendation

2027
01:31:14.645 --> 01:31:16.165
to find the owner's in violation

2028
01:31:16.165 --> 01:31:17.645
of the district's Decompliance rule.

2029
01:31:17.645 --> 01:31:20.485
As cited by Decompliance staff, the owner has seven days

2030
01:31:20.485 --> 01:31:22.765
to remove the weeds to bring the property into compliance.

2031
01:31:22.785 --> 01:31:24.725
If the weeds are removed within seven days of the order

2032
01:31:24.725 --> 01:31:28.325
of enforcement, case number D 3 0 2 2 6 shall be closed.

2033
01:31:28.505 --> 01:31:29.845
If the weeds are not removed

2034
01:31:29.865 --> 01:31:32.165
and the property is not brought into compliance within seven

2035
01:31:32.165 --> 01:31:34.365
days of the order of enforcement, authorize the district

2036
01:31:34.365 --> 01:31:37.725
to maintain the property, impose a minimum $250 fine,

2037
01:31:37.725 --> 01:31:39.965
or the actual cost of maintenance, whichever is more

2038
01:31:39.965 --> 01:31:41.485
to be paid within 10 days of the invoice.

2039
01:31:41.875 --> 01:31:42.965
Authorize the district

2040
01:31:42.965 --> 01:31:44.685
to maintain the property twice a month in the summer,

2041
01:31:44.685 --> 01:31:46.125
once a month in the winter as needed,

2042
01:31:46.225 --> 01:31:48.805
and impose a $250 fine each time the

2043
01:31:48.925 --> 01:31:50.005
district maintains the property.

2044
01:31:50.425 --> 01:31:52.445
The owner prohibits the district from maintaining the

2045
01:31:52.645 --> 01:31:54.685
property, then the owner shall be fined an initial amount

2046
01:31:54.685 --> 01:31:55.765
of $150

2047
01:31:55.785 --> 01:31:57.365
and additional $50 daily Fine

2048
01:31:57.365 --> 01:31:58.845
until the property is brought into compliance.

2049
01:31:59.725 --> 01:32:01.725
Property is not brought into compliance as required herein.

2050
01:32:01.725 --> 01:32:03.485
Staff shall record the Order of Enforcement claim

2051
01:32:03.485 --> 01:32:05.285
of lien into the public records of Sumter County.

2052
01:32:05.755 --> 01:32:07.765
Florida's a property owner's responsibility

2053
01:32:07.765 --> 01:32:09.445
to contact Community Standards Department

2054
01:32:09.445 --> 01:32:11.325
to request a decompliance officer revisit

2055
01:32:11.345 --> 01:32:12.725
the property to confirm compliance.

2056
01:32:13.105 --> 01:32:14.405
The fines reach $1,500

2057
01:32:14.405 --> 01:32:15.925
of case shall be turned over to district counsel.

2058
01:32:15.955 --> 01:32:17.165
Seek all available remedies,

2059
01:32:17.165 --> 01:32:18.605
which may include initiating a lawsuit,

2060
01:32:18.925 --> 01:32:20.485
syncing an injunction against the property owner.

2061
01:32:20.825 --> 01:32:22.045
The property owner is responsible

2062
01:32:22.045 --> 01:32:24.045
for reimbursing the district for all attorney's fees, costs,

2063
01:32:24.045 --> 01:32:25.405
and expenses associated with

2064
01:32:25.405 --> 01:32:27.365
or related to the Order of Enforcement claim of lien.

2065
01:32:27.545 --> 01:32:28.605
The property is not brought into,

2066
01:32:29.145 --> 01:32:30.845
if the property is brought into compliance

2067
01:32:30.865 --> 01:32:31.885
as and the fines are paid.

2068
01:32:31.885 --> 01:32:33.845
And the Chairman authorizes staff to execute record

2069
01:32:33.845 --> 01:32:36.165
of satisfaction release claim of lien chairman

2070
01:32:36.265 --> 01:32:37.965
to execute the order of Enforcement.

2071
01:32:40.865 --> 01:32:42.445
So really all that's left is some weeds.

2072
01:32:42.465 --> 01:32:43.605
And the probate company said

2073
01:32:43.605 --> 01:32:44.325
that they would be getting the

2074
01:32:44.525 --> 01:32:45.525
landscaper out there to do it.

2075
01:32:45.945 --> 01:32:48.565
Um, and if not, excuse me.

2076
01:32:48.565 --> 01:32:49.765
What, what'd they say? They said they

2077
01:32:49.765 --> 01:32:51.365
were gonna get somebody out there to do it. The

2078
01:32:51.365 --> 01:32:52.285
Probate company did? Yes,

2079
01:32:52.675 --> 01:32:54.085
Because they've done, they've done everything else.

2080
01:32:54.085 --> 01:32:55.085
They said they're gonna get their

2081
01:32:55.285 --> 01:32:56.365
landscaper back out there. Take care of the

2082
01:32:56.365 --> 01:32:57.365
Weed. When you say they,

2083
01:32:57.365 --> 01:32:59.645
they, who, who's the who again? The,

2084
01:32:59.785 --> 01:33:00.845
The probate attorney.

2085
01:33:02.345 --> 01:33:03.765
The probate attorney's name

2086
01:33:04.065 --> 01:33:08.605
is Mary Trotter.

2087
01:33:08.955 --> 01:33:11.205
Okay. 'cause I, when I look at this, all

2088
01:33:11.205 --> 01:33:14.725
of your correspondence, of course, goes to the estate of,

2089
01:33:15.105 --> 01:33:17.645
and it's then addressed to whom it may concern,

2090
01:33:17.995 --> 01:33:20.965
because I recognize the woman has died.

2091
01:33:21.625 --> 01:33:25.645
And so now all of your discussion is with the attorney,

2092
01:33:25.875 --> 01:33:26.875
Correct? Ms. Trotter?

2093
01:33:26.875 --> 01:33:27.385
Okay.

2094
01:33:29.405 --> 01:33:32.765
I mean, in this case I don't have a problem. No.

2095
01:33:32.765 --> 01:33:34.245
Making the attorney comply.

2096
01:33:35.205 --> 01:33:37.045
Somebody's gotta be responsible for the property.

2097
01:33:40.225 --> 01:33:42.085
So no questions. We can close the public hearing.

2098
01:33:42.355 --> 01:33:45.085
Yeah, no question. For close. The public hearing is closed

2099
01:33:46.105 --> 01:33:47.205
And we just need a motion to

2100
01:33:47.345 --> 01:33:48.725
accept staff's recommendation.

2101
01:33:49.265 --> 01:33:51.085
Do we have a motion? Motion move

2102
01:33:51.085 --> 01:33:53.525
to approve the recommendation of, uh,

2103
01:33:55.345 --> 01:34:00.165
Second D 3 0 2 26?

2104
01:34:01.065 --> 01:34:04.805
Yep. Uh, CD three against, uh, state of Eleanor f Johnson.

2105
01:34:05.025 --> 01:34:06.645
That's what you're making the motion? Yes.

2106
01:34:06.945 --> 01:34:10.445
Do we have a second? Second. All in favor? Aye.

2107
01:34:10.665 --> 01:34:12.485
Aye. None opposed. Thank you.

2108
01:34:12.655 --> 01:34:13.005
Board,

2109
01:34:19.845 --> 01:34:21.365
I guess we move on to old business.

2110
01:34:21.745 --> 01:34:24.245
Yes sir. The first item on old business is a review

2111
01:34:24.245 --> 01:34:27.085
of the notice time period for community standards.

2112
01:34:27.225 --> 01:34:29.605
And I will turn it over to Mr. Brianis for this item.

2113
01:34:30.465 --> 01:34:31.565
Yes, I did meet with, uh,

2114
01:34:31.565 --> 01:34:33.325
community standards on several occasions

2115
01:34:33.325 --> 01:34:34.525
and discussed our process

2116
01:34:34.745 --> 01:34:36.925
and the notices that that go out, um,

2117
01:34:36.945 --> 01:34:39.085
to find out whether there were any shorter timelines we

2118
01:34:39.085 --> 01:34:40.405
could follow to ensure due process

2119
01:34:41.065 --> 01:34:42.245
was met for the property owner.

2120
01:34:42.425 --> 01:34:43.605
Um, while doing that

2121
01:34:43.665 --> 01:34:46.245
and during those conversations, uh, Mr. Armstrong

2122
01:34:46.285 --> 01:34:49.525
and his staff also, uh, investigated what other, um,

2123
01:34:50.005 --> 01:34:52.925
districts and other county governments do as far as notices?

2124
01:34:53.425 --> 01:34:56.245
Um, when you look at the notices that we provide,

2125
01:34:56.315 --> 01:34:58.605
even if we were to remove one of the notices,

2126
01:34:59.025 --> 01:35:01.045
it would still be outside the 30 day time

2127
01:35:01.045 --> 01:35:02.205
period that we meet.

2128
01:35:02.225 --> 01:35:04.325
So we meet once every 30 days or so.

2129
01:35:04.665 --> 01:35:07.725
And I think that's more so the issue than the amount

2130
01:35:07.725 --> 01:35:08.885
of time we give property owners.

2131
01:35:09.845 --> 01:35:11.285
Counties. Uh, city governments

2132
01:35:11.285 --> 01:35:14.285
and other districts are giving far more time to their

2133
01:35:14.925 --> 01:35:16.765
residents than what we do.

2134
01:35:17.185 --> 01:35:19.245
So what I'm trying to say, I guess in short, is

2135
01:35:19.245 --> 01:35:20.565
that our process is fair.

2136
01:35:21.155 --> 01:35:23.165
It's short enough. I think the maximum time

2137
01:35:23.165 --> 01:35:24.245
period is 40 days.

2138
01:35:25.145 --> 01:35:27.165
If we were to move, remove one of the notices,

2139
01:35:27.165 --> 01:35:29.925
which we did talk about doing, it would still put us outside

2140
01:35:29.925 --> 01:35:31.045
that 30 day time period.

2141
01:35:31.985 --> 01:35:34.685
Um, so again, a lot of other, um,

2142
01:35:35.095 --> 01:35:36.965
local governments meet twice a month,

2143
01:35:36.965 --> 01:35:38.325
whereas we only meet once a month.

2144
01:35:38.345 --> 01:35:40.605
And so if a complaint comes in a few days

2145
01:35:40.605 --> 01:35:43.325
after you meet, of course it's gonna put you off further

2146
01:35:43.355 --> 01:35:44.765
than what you want to be because you

2147
01:35:44.765 --> 01:35:45.805
only meet every 30 days.

2148
01:35:46.465 --> 01:35:47.805
Um, so again, at the end of the day,

2149
01:35:47.805 --> 01:35:50.685
after the research we did, um, the case law

2150
01:35:50.685 --> 01:35:54.205
and reviewing of due process, I think that 40 days, um,

2151
01:35:54.345 --> 01:35:56.165
is sort of short and appropriate

2152
01:35:56.185 --> 01:35:57.525
for the kind of cases that we have,

2153
01:35:58.065 --> 01:36:01.245
But I think we did help with an emergency standpoint

2154
01:36:01.585 --> 01:36:04.485
for community standards that if there's something, you know,

2155
01:36:04.485 --> 01:36:05.525
like we saw a rodent

2156
01:36:05.525 --> 01:36:07.485
or something going through there, they can immediately go,

2157
01:36:07.485 --> 01:36:10.125
immediately go in there and take care of the situation.

2158
01:36:10.125 --> 01:36:13.125
Correct? I think in effect we've been able to

2159
01:36:13.595 --> 01:36:14.765
Shorten it where you need to

2160
01:36:14.765 --> 01:36:16.005
Shorten it and, and, and,

2161
01:36:16.005 --> 01:36:18.485
and achieve would want to, so that we don't have residents

2162
01:36:18.485 --> 01:36:20.445
and neighbors staring at these properties

2163
01:36:20.445 --> 01:36:22.045
that we know need to be taken care of.

2164
01:36:22.225 --> 01:36:24.445
And we have to wait until we meet in another 30 days

2165
01:36:24.445 --> 01:36:26.685
after that and keep extending these deadlines.

2166
01:36:26.745 --> 01:36:29.005
So I think, and I haven't looked at the Order

2167
01:36:29.005 --> 01:36:31.365
of enforcement, the Emergency order of enforcement

2168
01:36:31.385 --> 01:36:33.205
for some time now, but I think what

2169
01:36:33.205 --> 01:36:35.165
that does is shorten the timeframe

2170
01:36:35.655 --> 01:36:38.005
where all the notices don't need to go out.

2171
01:36:38.025 --> 01:36:39.805
So they would come to you to the next meeting.

2172
01:36:39.945 --> 01:36:43.485
So let's say you get an emergency report tomorrow,

2173
01:36:44.665 --> 01:36:46.925
the next time you can hear it would

2174
01:36:46.925 --> 01:36:47.965
be the next, your next meeting.

2175
01:36:48.185 --> 01:36:49.885
It wouldn't go beyond the next meeting

2176
01:36:49.905 --> 01:36:51.005
to two meetings from now.

2177
01:36:52.305 --> 01:36:54.965
If you wanted to give, you know, community standards

2178
01:36:55.025 --> 01:36:57.485
or the district, uh, staff the opportunity

2179
01:36:57.545 --> 01:36:59.565
to make those calls, I think we would need

2180
01:36:59.565 --> 01:37:01.005
to look at the rule and maybe change it.

2181
01:37:01.065 --> 01:37:04.725
But I think the way it reads now is that we do away

2182
01:37:04.725 --> 01:37:06.925
with a lot of the notices in the cases of emergency

2183
01:37:07.185 --> 01:37:08.525
and bring it to you at the next meeting.

2184
01:37:08.905 --> 01:37:09.965
So it doesn't have to wait.

2185
01:37:11.715 --> 01:37:13.105
Could there also be something

2186
01:37:13.535 --> 01:37:16.025
that would permit community standards

2187
01:37:16.285 --> 01:37:17.785
to contact our chairman?

2188
01:37:18.605 --> 01:37:21.465
You know, 'cause I know that with the, uh, with, with the,

2189
01:37:22.495 --> 01:37:25.305
with the committee that you serve on Dick in terms of,

2190
01:37:25.605 --> 01:37:26.985
you know, finances

2191
01:37:26.985 --> 01:37:28.585
and everything, they have provisions with

2192
01:37:28.695 --> 01:37:31.025
that they can actually contact people there,

2193
01:37:31.025 --> 01:37:33.145
that they don't have to assemble that whole body together

2194
01:37:33.325 --> 01:37:34.465
in order to make a decision.

2195
01:37:34.525 --> 01:37:36.305
If in fact we're talking about something like that,

2196
01:37:36.745 --> 01:37:37.825
I think you could do that.

2197
01:37:37.845 --> 01:37:40.785
You could designate a person the way we've done, I believe

2198
01:37:40.785 --> 01:37:43.345
with towing, we've designated the district manager

2199
01:37:43.565 --> 01:37:45.625
to make the call on a tow.

2200
01:37:46.205 --> 01:37:47.985
Um, so you could change the rule

2201
01:37:48.125 --> 01:37:51.625
and give district management the authority to make the call

2202
01:37:51.645 --> 01:37:54.865
as to whether the emergency exists or not, take action and

2203
01:37:54.865 --> 01:37:57.165
Then, then bring it to you at the next meeting so

2204
01:37:57.165 --> 01:37:59.245
that you can sort of ratify that action.

2205
01:37:59.605 --> 01:38:02.245
I would like to see that happen, you know? I agree. Yep.

2206
01:38:02.635 --> 01:38:03.635
Okay.

2207
01:38:04.035 --> 01:38:06.765
Okay. So we will put on your agenda next month.

2208
01:38:06.905 --> 01:38:08.645
Uh, would you like this to happen now

2209
01:38:08.705 --> 01:38:10.005
or would you like us to hold this

2210
01:38:10.005 --> 01:38:11.285
for your next rule amendment?

2211
01:38:11.865 --> 01:38:14.045
I'd like to happen now. Okay.

2212
01:38:14.045 --> 01:38:16.965
So on your next agenda, we will request to advertise

2213
01:38:16.965 --> 01:38:18.605
for a public hearing to amend your rule.

2214
01:38:19.475 --> 01:38:20.565
Okay? Yep. Good.

2215
01:38:21.865 --> 01:38:24.325
The next item on all business was for staff

2216
01:38:24.345 --> 01:38:28.765
to provide information as to, for every 1% you were

2217
01:38:28.765 --> 01:38:30.965
to consider raising your maintenance assessment,

2218
01:38:31.225 --> 01:38:33.165
how much revenue would that generate?

2219
01:38:33.745 --> 01:38:35.325
And as you can see in the attachment,

2220
01:38:35.545 --> 01:38:38.485
it would generate just over $13,000 of revenue.

2221
01:38:39.635 --> 01:38:42.725
This information was just provided, um, as information.

2222
01:38:42.865 --> 01:38:44.925
And I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

2223
01:38:45.465 --> 01:38:46.845
I'm the individual who asked for it.

2224
01:38:46.845 --> 01:38:50.885
And I, I hope you extend my thanks to

2225
01:38:51.415 --> 01:38:52.765
Karen Clary for doing,

2226
01:38:52.765 --> 01:38:55.645
because this hits exactly what I'm looking for.

2227
01:38:56.165 --> 01:38:58.685
I mean, when we deal with this assessment,

2228
01:38:58.925 --> 01:39:00.685
I think it's necessary for us to know

2229
01:39:01.275 --> 01:39:04.205
what the impact is going to be and how much we raise.

2230
01:39:04.845 --> 01:39:07.445
I mean, I wanna look at it from both sides.

2231
01:39:07.585 --> 01:39:10.085
If we decide we need to add $25,000,

2232
01:39:10.685 --> 01:39:14.405
I know right off the top that's close to 2%, that's the kind

2233
01:39:14.405 --> 01:39:17.645
of information that makes doing budget a whole lot easier.

2234
01:39:18.065 --> 01:39:19.925
So this is a kind of piece of information

2235
01:39:19.925 --> 01:39:21.245
that needs to be filed away.

2236
01:39:21.545 --> 01:39:24.285
And when we do budget, you need to bring it out again so

2237
01:39:24.285 --> 01:39:25.565
that everybody has it in front of them.

2238
01:39:25.905 --> 01:39:27.925
Yes, sir. Okay.

2239
01:39:28.745 --> 01:39:30.925
The next item on old business, uh,

2240
01:39:30.945 --> 01:39:33.885
and the final item on old business was to, um,

2241
01:39:34.585 --> 01:39:38.205
put back on widening the driveway in the patio villas.

2242
01:39:38.625 --> 01:39:41.965
Uh, we did attach the same presentation that staff went

2243
01:39:41.965 --> 01:39:44.805
through, um, previously when it comes to the dominant

2244
01:39:44.825 --> 01:39:48.245
and sevit rights and extending the patio villas.

2245
01:39:48.465 --> 01:39:50.605
Mr. Armstrong is happy to go through that again

2246
01:39:50.625 --> 01:39:51.845
or answer any questions.

2247
01:39:52.265 --> 01:39:53.965
Um, but it was Supervisor Franklin

2248
01:39:54.075 --> 01:39:56.485
that wanted this item back on the agenda.

2249
01:39:56.825 --> 01:39:58.765
So Mr. Chair, I would turn it back over

2250
01:39:58.765 --> 01:40:00.045
to you or Supervisor Franklin.

2251
01:40:00.785 --> 01:40:01.845
Um, and again, Mr.

2252
01:40:01.955 --> 01:40:03.525
Armstrong's available if you have any questions.

2253
01:40:06.755 --> 01:40:11.045
Well, I mean, we've got, we've got a lot of, of pictures

2254
01:40:11.065 --> 01:40:14.965
of existing, uh, um,

2255
01:40:15.885 --> 01:40:18.525
driveway expansions on the patio, on the villas.

2256
01:40:18.525 --> 01:40:19.965
And so yeah, we've gotta talk about that.

2257
01:40:20.025 --> 01:40:22.925
But she wants to bring Matthew up for

2258
01:40:23.425 --> 01:40:26.605
No, he, he's only there for questions if you want him

2259
01:40:26.605 --> 01:40:27.765
to go through the presentation.

2260
01:40:27.765 --> 01:40:29.365
Okay. Well, he'd, he'd be happy to.

2261
01:40:31.955 --> 01:40:36.605
Okay. Uh, my colleagues on the board,

2262
01:40:36.705 --> 01:40:40.245
you can see that, uh, uh, the photos that I have

2263
01:40:41.395 --> 01:40:42.965
from various villas,

2264
01:40:43.865 --> 01:40:46.965
and you can see the whining of it up to the edge

2265
01:40:46.985 --> 01:40:50.925
of the garage to the outside of the garage, uh,

2266
01:40:51.385 --> 01:40:55.605
and they're all over including, uh,

2267
01:40:55.975 --> 01:40:58.925
being sold by the villages.

2268
01:41:00.505 --> 01:41:01.605
The house being sold

2269
01:41:01.605 --> 01:41:03.925
by the villages still has the same problem.

2270
01:41:04.145 --> 01:41:05.325
So, I mean, they,

2271
01:41:05.325 --> 01:41:06.845
they don't do anything either of those people.

2272
01:41:07.785 --> 01:41:12.605
And the widening, uh, is some are wide on one side,

2273
01:41:12.635 --> 01:41:14.525
some are widened on two sides, right?

2274
01:41:14.865 --> 01:41:18.565
Uh, so it's not like, uh,

2275
01:41:18.915 --> 01:41:23.405
this is only an alone for a couple people.

2276
01:41:23.555 --> 01:41:25.245
This is for a lot of people that want that

2277
01:41:25.925 --> 01:41:29.485
driveway extension on the right, uh, to number one,

2278
01:41:29.605 --> 01:41:32.445
maybe get out, uh, get out

2279
01:41:32.445 --> 01:41:35.125
and instead of being on the grass, get out

2280
01:41:35.125 --> 01:41:37.445
of the solid concrete of, of their cars.

2281
01:41:38.145 --> 01:41:42.645
Um, so that, that was my discussion and,

2282
01:41:42.705 --> 01:41:46.245
and everybody wanted me to go out and give proof.

2283
01:41:46.355 --> 01:41:49.885
Well, we have proof, uh, of various, uh,

2284
01:41:51.075 --> 01:41:52.805
various photos of each house.

2285
01:41:53.505 --> 01:41:57.685
Now, my point is that

2286
01:41:59.045 --> 01:42:01.285
I have a problem with the deed restrictions.

2287
01:42:02.065 --> 01:42:06.845
Um, The

2288
01:42:07.125 --> 01:42:11.805
restrictions say that the side dwelling wall

2289
01:42:11.865 --> 01:42:15.325
of the servient tenant on the garage side.

2290
01:42:15.985 --> 01:42:20.325
Now, if you look at the, if you look at the drawings,

2291
01:42:21.625 --> 01:42:23.845
uh, the patio avail of maintenance

2292
01:42:23.845 --> 01:42:26.685
and easement, uh, on this page two,

2293
01:42:27.705 --> 01:42:30.765
if you look at the drawings, you notice that the,

2294
01:42:31.865 --> 01:42:35.925
the sance side is, comes all the way down from the house

2295
01:42:36.745 --> 01:42:39.285
to the edge of the, the side of the house

2296
01:42:39.305 --> 01:42:42.685
and garage all the way through to the street.

2297
01:42:43.825 --> 01:42:46.925
So that part between the corner of the house

2298
01:42:47.065 --> 01:42:50.805
and the garage shows that it is there and it's pave.

2299
01:42:50.905 --> 01:42:55.245
It can be pave. Now, my problem is, as an engineer,

2300
01:42:55.885 --> 01:42:58.525
I don't believe in, I don't believe in words

2301
01:42:59.705 --> 01:43:01.405
as compared to drawings.

2302
01:43:01.765 --> 01:43:04.925
Drawings are most important part of

2303
01:43:05.585 --> 01:43:06.965
any construction site.

2304
01:43:07.545 --> 01:43:08.965
So you gotta remember that.

2305
01:43:09.465 --> 01:43:14.285
Uh, people can make mistakes when they, when they talk.

2306
01:43:15.065 --> 01:43:16.445
Uh, lawyers can make mistakes.

2307
01:43:17.035 --> 01:43:19.885
Contractors can make mistakes when they put it in writing.

2308
01:43:20.585 --> 01:43:24.485
But when it's, when it's from writing to, to drawings,

2309
01:43:24.865 --> 01:43:26.045
the drawings prevail.

2310
01:43:26.705 --> 01:43:31.445
And I don't know, uh, as far as legality in,

2311
01:43:32.145 --> 01:43:34.525
in, in here, but as a professional engineer,

2312
01:43:34.855 --> 01:43:37.965
which I'm not now, 'cause I don't want to pay the fee in,

2313
01:43:38.145 --> 01:43:42.725
in Jersey, uh, you, you,

2314
01:43:42.865 --> 01:43:44.205
you gotta go by the rules.

2315
01:43:44.345 --> 01:43:47.325
And the rules are, are the drawing.

2316
01:43:48.515 --> 01:43:50.085
When we're out in construction,

2317
01:43:50.545 --> 01:43:53.525
the contractor might say something, but the specs say this,

2318
01:43:53.865 --> 01:43:55.925
but the drawings say this, they have to abide

2319
01:43:55.925 --> 01:43:57.365
by the drawings and not the specs.

2320
01:43:58.225 --> 01:44:00.205
That's my point as compared

2321
01:44:00.205 --> 01:44:02.485
to the seed restrictions, how it's said here.

2322
01:44:03.065 --> 01:44:06.045
Um, the, uh,

2323
01:44:10.175 --> 01:44:14.205
let's see, the, well, I guess

2324
01:44:14.435 --> 01:44:17.805
that I have is,

2325
01:44:20.515 --> 01:44:21.485
I'll have to look at

2326
01:44:21.665 --> 01:44:25.725
my excuse.

2327
01:44:27.275 --> 01:44:32.085
Okay. Uh, we have here, uh, Mr.

2328
01:44:32.185 --> 01:44:36.885
De Mayo inquired, uh, if the board can change the rule

2329
01:44:36.885 --> 01:44:39.685
to allow patio village driveway's extension, Ms.

2330
01:44:39.685 --> 01:44:44.005
Brianon iss, our lawyer, uh, Esquire advised

2331
01:44:44.005 --> 01:44:47.685
that the rule can only be amended if the deed restrictions

2332
01:44:47.735 --> 01:44:48.765
allow the expansion.

2333
01:44:49.225 --> 01:44:51.725
But the deed restrictions do not allow the expansion.

2334
01:44:52.275 --> 01:44:56.525
What I'd like to Have 'em show me

2335
01:44:57.515 --> 01:44:59.685
that the deed restrictions show don't show up

2336
01:44:59.685 --> 01:45:01.285
at my deed restrictions.

2337
01:45:01.285 --> 01:45:05.965
Doesn't say that. So we, well, one,

2338
01:45:06.225 --> 01:45:07.605
one person is saying one thing.

2339
01:45:07.775 --> 01:45:09.245
Other person is saying the other thing,

2340
01:45:09.505 --> 01:45:13.005
but legality, it doesn't, it doesn't read an error.

2341
01:45:13.005 --> 01:45:14.405
It's only shows it on the plans.

2342
01:45:15.105 --> 01:45:19.005
Put it up on the, Am I allowed to speak?

2343
01:45:20.915 --> 01:45:22.845
Your ARC member would like to speak. He did not.

2344
01:45:22.985 --> 01:45:26.125
He didn't wasn't sworn in. No public hearing.

2345
01:45:26.225 --> 01:45:27.565
Not public hearing. Oh, that's right.

2346
01:45:28.785 --> 01:45:33.085
Yes, yes. Uh, Joseph Deo 1642 Belgo Drive.

2347
01:45:34.125 --> 01:45:36.205
I am on the Architectural Review board

2348
01:45:36.235 --> 01:45:37.965
that represents this district.

2349
01:45:38.105 --> 01:45:39.325
And thank you for that. I,

2350
01:45:39.565 --> 01:45:41.925
I enjoy it doing it, doing that job.

2351
01:45:42.915 --> 01:45:45.325
This comes up quite often, these patio villas.

2352
01:45:46.025 --> 01:45:50.205
So what I meant to say, Stefan, uh,

2353
01:45:50.275 --> 01:45:53.525
last time we met, uh, I did make a comment is

2354
01:45:54.705 --> 01:45:59.405
we abide by the language, which states you can only

2355
01:45:59.985 --> 01:46:03.685
extend your driveway on a patio villa on one side.

2356
01:46:03.985 --> 01:46:06.965
And it's usually on the lamppost side. Could be different.

2357
01:46:07.265 --> 01:46:09.085
You cannot expand on two sides.

2358
01:46:09.185 --> 01:46:12.485
That's, that's the applications come in. That's how we do.

2359
01:46:12.505 --> 01:46:15.325
Now, we, we approve or deny. Now that's what we do.

2360
01:46:15.905 --> 01:46:20.765
So I'm asking you district three, what do you want me

2361
01:46:20.765 --> 01:46:22.965
to do as your representative?

2362
01:46:23.465 --> 01:46:24.805
I'm, I'm going by the manual.

2363
01:46:25.125 --> 01:46:28.125
I I you guys think community standards gave me a manual?

2364
01:46:28.125 --> 01:46:32.005
That's what I go by. I don't think we ever approved

2365
01:46:32.805 --> 01:46:34.285
a two-sided patio villa.

2366
01:46:34.315 --> 01:46:35.525
Well, this is not, we're not asking

2367
01:46:35.525 --> 01:46:36.885
for the approval of two-sided.

2368
01:46:36.955 --> 01:46:38.965
Well, we're only asking on the one side.

2369
01:46:39.025 --> 01:46:40.885
Can, can I say this? Riding on the garage side?

2370
01:46:41.105 --> 01:46:42.685
Can I say this sir? Sure.

2371
01:46:42.795 --> 01:46:47.125
When we begin the meeting on the arc, first of all,

2372
01:46:47.125 --> 01:46:48.885
we say there's no grandfather.

2373
01:46:50.955 --> 01:46:53.565
Architectural review does not make the rules.

2374
01:46:54.105 --> 01:46:57.045
We don't change the rules and we don't enforce the rules.

2375
01:46:57.185 --> 01:46:59.805
That's what our chairman says at the meeting.

2376
01:47:00.705 --> 01:47:03.805
So that's all I can say. You tell me what you,

2377
01:47:04.305 --> 01:47:06.565
The architectural review chairman at one time,

2378
01:47:06.705 --> 01:47:10.805
we change the rules based on the legality, which our, our,

2379
01:47:11.185 --> 01:47:12.605
our lawyer in the, in the meeting.

2380
01:47:12.735 --> 01:47:14.565
Thank. Well thank you. Alright,

2381
01:47:15.625 --> 01:47:18.125
So yes, I can, I can address a couple things.

2382
01:47:18.985 --> 01:47:21.725
So if you look at the photo up there

2383
01:47:21.955 --> 01:47:25.165
that has the ENT dominant maintenance area, right?

2384
01:47:25.825 --> 01:47:27.965
The issue is that the ARC manual does not

2385
01:47:28.135 --> 01:47:29.645
allow an expansion.

2386
01:47:29.905 --> 01:47:34.525
And correct me if I'm wrong, Matt, on the servient side,

2387
01:47:34.705 --> 01:47:36.045
that's the side to the left

2388
01:47:36.115 --> 01:47:40.405
because servient easement means it's serves

2389
01:47:40.865 --> 01:47:42.285
the neighboring property owner.

2390
01:47:42.305 --> 01:47:43.605
So the property owner on the left,

2391
01:47:43.985 --> 01:47:45.685
that's their enjoyment area.

2392
01:47:45.825 --> 01:47:48.845
Is that correct? So the property owner on the left can enjoy

2393
01:47:48.845 --> 01:47:52.485
that crossed out area right there without interruption

2394
01:47:52.485 --> 01:47:55.285
or interference from the property owner there in the center.

2395
01:47:55.665 --> 01:47:57.165
So again, the ARC manual says

2396
01:47:58.015 --> 01:48:00.585
that you can't expand your driveway on that side again,

2397
01:48:00.585 --> 01:48:03.145
because that's the enjoyment area of the left neighbor.

2398
01:48:03.855 --> 01:48:04.865
Well, wait, wait a minute.

2399
01:48:05.105 --> 01:48:07.625
I think you're, you're misinterpreting the drawing.

2400
01:48:07.765 --> 01:48:08.765
The drawing.

2401
01:48:13.645 --> 01:48:15.425
The drawing itself. The drawing of the house.

2402
01:48:16.165 --> 01:48:17.225
The drawing of the house.

2403
01:48:17.965 --> 01:48:20.545
If you take the red, if you take that straight down,

2404
01:48:21.395 --> 01:48:23.425
which is all that checkered

2405
01:48:23.565 --> 01:48:25.705
to the left checkered all the way straight

2406
01:48:25.705 --> 01:48:27.305
down, that's fine.

2407
01:48:27.385 --> 01:48:29.465
I agree with that. But it says

2408
01:48:29.775 --> 01:48:33.505
that checkered line stops at the side of the house

2409
01:48:34.085 --> 01:48:36.945
and that side of the house extends to the side

2410
01:48:36.945 --> 01:48:38.625
of quote the driveway.

2411
01:48:38.975 --> 01:48:40.425
Well that means the driveway,

2412
01:48:40.935 --> 01:48:43.665
most driveways are a foot less than that wall.

2413
01:48:44.045 --> 01:48:47.025
So the driveway can be extended out to the line

2414
01:48:47.725 --> 01:48:49.185
of the hatched area.

2415
01:48:52.015 --> 01:48:53.905
This diagram is That drawing is incorrect.

2416
01:48:55.095 --> 01:48:56.945
This is a diagram just that, just

2417
01:48:56.945 --> 01:48:58.705
to show the basic understanding of

2418
01:48:58.825 --> 01:49:01.065
What a Serbia and dominant Easements are.

2419
01:49:01.095 --> 01:49:02.465
This is not a scale of

2420
01:49:02.465 --> 01:49:03.585
Residential properties.

2421
01:49:03.845 --> 01:49:06.865
Can we, can we do it wrong? Can we do it from a photograph?

2422
01:49:06.865 --> 01:49:09.705
Does everybody have this one from Elena,

2423
01:49:11.035 --> 01:49:14.385
Elena Place in uh, Villa Cruz?

2424
01:49:14.735 --> 01:49:18.345
Because I, this is the one that I'm working with

2425
01:49:18.345 --> 01:49:20.705
and this is one of the things that I've been advocating for.

2426
01:49:21.535 --> 01:49:25.585
This shows in addition up to the driveway

2427
01:49:26.445 --> 01:49:27.985
on the ENT side.

2428
01:49:28.495 --> 01:49:32.145
Okay. But it's right up to the line of the garage.

2429
01:49:33.225 --> 01:49:35.745
I mean it doesn't extend beyond Right.

2430
01:49:35.765 --> 01:49:40.145
The garage, it's on the property owner's property. Right.

2431
01:49:40.225 --> 01:49:43.985
I agree. That's the point I'm trying to make.

2432
01:49:45.095 --> 01:49:46.265
Okay. And your drawings

2433
01:49:46.265 --> 01:49:47.925
Are ring correct? Whoever drew 'em

2434
01:49:48.075 --> 01:49:50.285
Well that, so that's kind of what I was gonna point out.

2435
01:49:50.345 --> 01:49:52.045
That's not the kind of driveway

2436
01:49:52.045 --> 01:49:55.565
that's on the property there, but I see what you're saying.

2437
01:49:55.705 --> 01:49:59.825
And one, we're not sure if that was done

2438
01:50:00.045 --> 01:50:01.065
by the developer because

2439
01:50:01.065 --> 01:50:02.465
as you mentioned before, the developer,

2440
01:50:02.695 --> 01:50:03.695
It's an add. You can see

2441
01:50:03.695 --> 01:50:05.025
that it's an addition.

2442
01:50:05.025 --> 01:50:06.305
Right. It wouldn't have been done by the

2443
01:50:06.305 --> 01:50:07.305
Development. And then we don't

2444
01:50:07.305 --> 01:50:08.705
know whether they actually got ARC

2445
01:50:08.865 --> 01:50:11.225
approval for that or they just added it themselves. I know

2446
01:50:11.225 --> 01:50:12.345
That that's exactly it.

2447
01:50:12.645 --> 01:50:15.345
But this is what I would like to see be able to be approved.

2448
01:50:15.375 --> 01:50:18.985
Correct. 'cause it allows, the biggest part of this is

2449
01:50:18.985 --> 01:50:22.665
that it makes it much easier for two cars to be parked in

2450
01:50:22.665 --> 01:50:27.425
that driveway and it gets cars off the street in the,

2451
01:50:27.645 --> 01:50:29.625
the patio villas.

2452
01:50:30.345 --> 01:50:32.785
I mean that's what I'm looking for. Approval for

2453
01:50:32.785 --> 01:50:33.785
It. So here's what I

2454
01:50:33.785 --> 01:50:34.705
can suggest, and,

2455
01:50:34.705 --> 01:50:35.865
and I discussed this

2456
01:50:35.865 --> 01:50:37.345
with Mr. Armstrong a little bit earlier.

2457
01:50:38.005 --> 01:50:40.745
The deed restrictions say where these areas are at.

2458
01:50:41.725 --> 01:50:43.425
That's the one you've got and your ARC

2459
01:50:43.425 --> 01:50:45.585
manual prohibits it there.

2460
01:50:45.845 --> 01:50:48.185
So the question is, can you change your ARC manual

2461
01:50:48.365 --> 01:50:49.625
to allow it there?

2462
01:50:50.205 --> 01:50:52.705
In order for us to make that determination, we'd need

2463
01:50:52.705 --> 01:50:54.465
to look through the declarations to make sure

2464
01:50:54.465 --> 01:50:57.705
that there's no restriction there that says they can't,

2465
01:50:58.215 --> 01:50:59.225
that you can't do that.

2466
01:50:59.935 --> 01:51:02.185
Well, my answer is that's what you ought to do then. Yeah,

2467
01:51:02.185 --> 01:51:03.185
I can confirm. Yeah. I mean, if

2468
01:51:03.185 --> 01:51:03.985
that's where we need

2469
01:51:03.985 --> 01:51:05.025
to go, that's where we need to go.

2470
01:51:05.165 --> 01:51:09.385
But what I was trying to explain is based on that

2471
01:51:09.445 --> 01:51:12.865
and what our manual says in addition to the definition

2472
01:51:13.145 --> 01:51:15.945
provided in the deed restrictions, identifying where

2473
01:51:15.945 --> 01:51:17.825
that location is and identifying in our manual

2474
01:51:17.825 --> 01:51:21.065
that we can't do it, is there, the real question is,

2475
01:51:21.325 --> 01:51:24.425
is there a deed restriction that prohibits it?

2476
01:51:24.535 --> 01:51:27.305
What we've looked at says where it's at and where it goes

2477
01:51:27.325 --> 01:51:28.505
and who gets to enjoy it.

2478
01:51:28.945 --> 01:51:30.785
I, I would ask that you go back

2479
01:51:31.085 --> 01:51:33.145
and take a look at all of it and,

2480
01:51:33.165 --> 01:51:37.625
and decide for me if, if we can find that we can do this

2481
01:51:38.505 --> 01:51:41.465
allowing for that addition on the Serbian side

2482
01:51:41.845 --> 01:51:43.145
up to the edge of the house.

2483
01:51:43.175 --> 01:51:44.825
Exactly. I have no problem

2484
01:51:44.825 --> 01:51:45.825
With it so long. It's not,

2485
01:51:45.825 --> 01:51:47.505
as long as it's not beyond don't

2486
01:51:47.745 --> 01:51:48.745
Approach. Yeah.

2487
01:51:48.745 --> 01:51:51.505
My drawing shows you exactly the edge of the house

2488
01:51:52.045 --> 01:51:54.465
all the way down and then it winds out. Yeah,

2489
01:51:54.465 --> 01:51:55.865
No, there are some drawings that you

2490
01:51:56.105 --> 01:51:58.385
provided that provide way off to the other side as well.

2491
01:51:58.385 --> 01:52:00.025
If we're talking about, just see,

2492
01:52:00.045 --> 01:52:02.025
and these, these drawings are not helpful

2493
01:52:02.025 --> 01:52:04.665
because they don't show what you're trying to show.

2494
01:52:05.565 --> 01:52:06.665
That's something we can look at.

2495
01:52:06.765 --> 01:52:08.225
That's why I wanted a picture. Yep.

2496
01:52:08.445 --> 01:52:12.105
And when we, I, my first house here was a patio villa

2497
01:52:12.565 --> 01:52:17.145
and when we bought that patio villa, I was given the option

2498
01:52:17.145 --> 01:52:21.545
to have the driveway extended to the line right directly

2499
01:52:21.575 --> 01:52:22.585
with the end of the garage,

2500
01:52:23.205 --> 01:52:24.945
not overlapping any other property.

2501
01:52:25.125 --> 01:52:26.985
And that's what the developer offered me.

2502
01:52:27.285 --> 01:52:29.825
And that's what this is in that picture.

2503
01:52:30.645 --> 01:52:32.825
And that's what I think I, that's definitely

2504
01:52:32.855 --> 01:52:34.025
what I wanna see approved.

2505
01:52:34.905 --> 01:52:36.105
I would agree. I do.

2506
01:52:36.445 --> 01:52:38.545
So let us look into that issue specifically.

2507
01:52:38.725 --> 01:52:41.705
Um, again, now that we have the proper area

2508
01:52:41.705 --> 01:52:44.265
that you're talking about and it's not beyond the scope of

2509
01:52:44.265 --> 01:52:45.470
where the current garage is,

2510
01:52:46.145 --> 01:52:48.325
And you can you bring it back at the next meeting

2511
01:52:48.465 --> 01:52:52.005
so we can effect then vote on it and, and put it into

2512
01:52:52.005 --> 01:52:53.005
Effect? Sure. Since it's

2513
01:52:53.005 --> 01:52:54.045
the ARC manual Yes,

2514
01:52:54.075 --> 01:52:55.485
they can, we can include that.

2515
01:52:55.485 --> 01:52:56.565
Okay. So it'd be the next meeting

2516
01:52:56.865 --> 01:52:57.965
If we don't find anything.

2517
01:52:57.985 --> 01:52:59.045
If we do find something,

2518
01:52:59.055 --> 01:53:00.005
we'll discuss it at the next

2519
01:53:00.005 --> 01:53:01.565
meeting and kind of go from there. Right. Okay.

2520
01:53:01.995 --> 01:53:03.445
Very good. Thank you. Okay.

2521
01:53:04.665 --> 01:53:05.885
And that concludes our business.

2522
01:53:06.345 --> 01:53:07.565
One, one more minute. One minute.

2523
01:53:07.825 --> 01:53:10.565
So as an a member, are we, what, what are we doing as

2524
01:53:10.565 --> 01:53:11.565
Time? You're still denying

2525
01:53:11.565 --> 01:53:12.045
at this point

2526
01:53:12.045 --> 01:53:14.805
because the ARC manual says you have to deny it, we'll need

2527
01:53:14.805 --> 01:53:16.285
to change the manual if we're allowed to.

2528
01:53:16.625 --> 01:53:19.445
And once that's changed and the board votes on it, then um,

2529
01:53:19.445 --> 01:53:20.485
you can start approving those.

2530
01:53:20.635 --> 01:53:22.325
Okay. Okay. That'll be fine.

2531
01:53:23.995 --> 01:53:28.685
Alright, so there you go.

2532
01:53:29.435 --> 01:53:33.125
Good job. We'll move on to, uh, dominant and Serbian rights.

2533
01:53:33.995 --> 01:53:36.565
That was the conversation. That just conversation

2534
01:53:36.865 --> 01:53:38.565
Unless you wanna have it again. Yeah, no,

2535
01:53:39.405 --> 01:53:40.405
I don't think so.

2536
01:53:41.265 --> 01:53:43.965
So information that I'm owning, financial statements.

2537
01:53:45.785 --> 01:53:47.685
Yes, sir. All of these are just for information

2538
01:53:47.685 --> 01:53:50.285
and we're happy to answer any questions on financial

2539
01:53:50.285 --> 01:53:53.365
statements, your DPM report or the notice of suspension?

2540
01:53:56.385 --> 01:53:58.325
All righty. Uh, district property

2541
01:53:58.325 --> 01:53:59.365
management monthly report.

2542
01:54:02.625 --> 01:54:07.085
No notice of suspension,

2543
01:54:07.295 --> 01:54:10.885
cross Creek Environment Environmental Yeah.

2544
01:54:11.315 --> 01:54:12.205
Just as information

2545
01:54:12.385 --> 01:54:13.605
and if you have any questions. Yes, sir.

2546
01:54:14.025 --> 01:54:17.125
Let me do that. Hey, district manager reports?

2547
01:54:17.625 --> 01:54:20.285
Yes, sir. Uh, we have attached the amenity authority

2548
01:54:20.285 --> 01:54:22.845
committee after agenda, uh, for your review.

2549
01:54:22.985 --> 01:54:24.565
And if you have any questions on it,

2550
01:54:24.705 --> 01:54:25.845
I'd be happy to answer them.

2551
01:54:26.795 --> 01:54:29.845
Okay. And then just, ill take a government day reminder.

2552
01:54:29.985 --> 01:54:33.125
Yep. We'll send out an email, um, probably the week

2553
01:54:33.125 --> 01:54:36.485
before reminding you of the times that you signed up for.

2554
01:54:37.435 --> 01:54:39.645
Okay. District council reports.

2555
01:54:40.395 --> 01:54:41.965
Yeah, I have several, uh, reports.

2556
01:54:42.065 --> 01:54:43.605
The first being the next ethics

2557
01:54:43.605 --> 01:54:46.405
and public records training date of October 27.

2558
01:54:47.105 --> 01:54:49.485
That's at one 30 and that will be at the district office.

2559
01:54:49.585 --> 01:54:50.965
If you need more hours, you can

2560
01:54:50.965 --> 01:54:52.085
sign up for the clerk's office.

2561
01:54:53.585 --> 01:54:56.765
Second item, we're looking for, uh, a request

2562
01:54:56.785 --> 01:54:59.485
to waive fines enclosed case number D three dash

2563
01:54:59.485 --> 01:55:00.685
zero six dash 20.

2564
01:55:01.675 --> 01:55:03.525
That case was a foreclosure case.

2565
01:55:03.545 --> 01:55:06.285
And as you know, when our claim of lien is recorded, uh,

2566
01:55:06.305 --> 01:55:08.165
we become a defendant in that case

2567
01:55:08.185 --> 01:55:09.925
and our lien eventually gets wiped out.

2568
01:55:10.505 --> 01:55:11.605
Uh, the only time we're able

2569
01:55:11.605 --> 01:55:13.445
to recover is if there are any surplus

2570
01:55:13.445 --> 01:55:14.645
funds after the foreclosure.

2571
01:55:15.105 --> 01:55:17.405
In this case, there were no surplus funds, likely

2572
01:55:17.405 --> 01:55:20.045
because the bank who held the mortgage purchased it

2573
01:55:20.045 --> 01:55:21.645
for a hundred dollars at the option

2574
01:55:21.835 --> 01:55:23.405
with a credit for their final judgment.

2575
01:55:23.945 --> 01:55:25.765
And as a result, there are no funds for us

2576
01:55:25.785 --> 01:55:27.285
to secure in this case.

2577
01:55:27.285 --> 01:55:29.845
So we'd look for a motion to, um, close this matter

2578
01:55:32.705 --> 01:55:33.805
unless we have questions.

2579
01:55:35.145 --> 01:55:38.605
No, I have a question. Who did you say bought that?

2580
01:55:39.545 --> 01:55:40.645
The bank. Likely the bank.

2581
01:55:40.825 --> 01:55:42.125
So the way that process works

2582
01:55:42.185 --> 01:55:43.590
and it, it's really, really confusing

2583
01:55:43.590 --> 01:55:45.450
because it looks like they bought it for a hundred dollars,

2584
01:55:46.145 --> 01:55:48.605
but really they bought it for the judgment amount

2585
01:55:48.605 --> 01:55:52.925
because they have a judgment for, let's just say $250,000.

2586
01:55:53.985 --> 01:55:57.565
So they have a credit of $250,000 that they bid up.

2587
01:55:57.565 --> 01:56:00.125
They can bid up to $250,000 if there's another

2588
01:56:00.125 --> 01:56:01.205
person there bidding.

2589
01:56:01.865 --> 01:56:05.565
Um, and if the third party bids 251,000,

2590
01:56:05.635 --> 01:56:08.365
then maybe the bank lets it go for 250, 1000.

2591
01:56:08.365 --> 01:56:11.245
They get all their 250,000 and there's a thousand left over.

2592
01:56:12.305 --> 01:56:14.685
Um, but in most cases, in, in some

2593
01:56:14.685 --> 01:56:15.685
of the lower number districts,

2594
01:56:15.685 --> 01:56:19.085
what we're seeing is banks being the successful bidder

2595
01:56:19.385 --> 01:56:22.285
for a hundred dollars, um, at the foreclosure sale.

2596
01:56:22.285 --> 01:56:24.365
And again, it's not really a hundred dollars

2597
01:56:24.365 --> 01:56:25.365
because they have a credit

2598
01:56:25.465 --> 01:56:27.165
for the entire final judgment amount.

2599
01:56:27.505 --> 01:56:29.325
How do they get cleared DS

2600
01:56:29.325 --> 01:56:31.125
and cleared titles when there'd been lien on

2601
01:56:31.125 --> 01:56:32.645
something? They just waive all

2602
01:56:32.645 --> 01:56:33.645
That. They have superior,

2603
01:56:33.645 --> 01:56:35.725
uh, mortgages have a superior lien

2604
01:56:35.725 --> 01:56:37.165
because we recorded way

2605
01:56:37.165 --> 01:56:39.205
after the mortgage was recorded. Mm-hmm.

2606
01:56:39.785 --> 01:56:40.845
Oh, Yeah.

2607
01:56:41.315 --> 01:56:44.285
Well, and I know that there was money due on the house.

2608
01:56:44.525 --> 01:56:49.245
I, I knew the Fowlers well, and it doesn't surprise me.

2609
01:56:50.165 --> 01:56:51.405
I don't like waiving this,

2610
01:56:51.865 --> 01:56:54.685
but we didn't have no way to get it. So I,

2611
01:56:55.515 --> 01:56:57.045
Yeah, if you, if you don't waive

2612
01:56:57.205 --> 01:56:58.245
it stays on the books forever.

2613
01:56:58.385 --> 01:56:59.845
And my guess is, you know, accounting

2614
01:56:59.845 --> 01:57:01.125
and auditors aren't gonna like that

2615
01:57:01.125 --> 01:57:02.965
because it's not something you're ever gonna collect.

2616
01:57:03.965 --> 01:57:06.045
I move that we waive the fines

2617
01:57:06.045 --> 01:57:10.165
and closed case D 3 0 6, 20 second.

2618
01:57:11.945 --> 01:57:15.605
May a second. All in favor? Second.

2619
01:57:16.475 --> 01:57:20.765
Okay, second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Aye.

2620
01:57:21.865 --> 01:57:24.085
One. Opposed? Yeah. Terry bid

2621
01:57:24.155 --> 01:57:25.525
opposes arrest matter approved.

2622
01:57:25.805 --> 01:57:26.805
I like waiving anything.

2623
01:57:28.315 --> 01:57:29.845
Next, the next issue to, uh,

2624
01:57:29.845 --> 01:57:32.405
be addressed is the internal deed restriction follow up.

2625
01:57:32.905 --> 01:57:34.405
Uh, if you recall, uh,

2626
01:57:34.405 --> 01:57:37.405
there was some discussion about potentially the developer

2627
01:57:37.405 --> 01:57:39.165
turning over the enforcement

2628
01:57:39.165 --> 01:57:41.645
of age restrictions 55 plus 19 and under.

2629
01:57:42.055 --> 01:57:44.685
There were some questions, um, from some of the boards.

2630
01:57:45.105 --> 01:57:46.725
Two of the main questions were what?

2631
01:57:46.785 --> 01:57:49.925
One was whether the deed restrictions complied with hoppa,

2632
01:57:49.925 --> 01:57:51.365
the Housing for Older Persons Act

2633
01:57:51.365 --> 01:57:52.805
and the Florida Fair Housing Act.

2634
01:57:53.185 --> 01:57:56.725
And two, if the district boards took over the enforcement of

2635
01:57:56.725 --> 01:57:58.525
that agere of the age restrictions,

2636
01:57:58.775 --> 01:58:00.605
would the boards also have the authority

2637
01:58:00.625 --> 01:58:03.365
to grant hardship exemptions under the deed restrictions?

2638
01:58:04.545 --> 01:58:06.165
The answer to question one is that, yes,

2639
01:58:06.165 --> 01:58:09.525
the deed restrictions do comply, comply with hopa

2640
01:58:09.985 --> 01:58:11.325
and two, no.

2641
01:58:11.665 --> 01:58:14.605
The developer does not want to, uh, turn over any

2642
01:58:14.605 --> 01:58:17.805
of its authority to grant hardship waivers.

2643
01:58:18.385 --> 01:58:20.885
Um, and as I've been saying to the other boards,

2644
01:58:20.885 --> 01:58:22.325
this is probably a good idea.

2645
01:58:22.515 --> 01:58:24.525
It's not something, even if you decided you wanted

2646
01:58:24.525 --> 01:58:27.285
to take over the, uh, internal deed restriction

2647
01:58:27.285 --> 01:58:29.605
for enforcement of age restrictions, that you'd also want

2648
01:58:29.925 --> 01:58:33.005
to, uh, address the hardship exemptions

2649
01:58:33.005 --> 01:58:35.205
because ultimately the developer's, the one

2650
01:58:35.205 --> 01:58:37.965
that's responsible for ensuring compliance with HOPA

2651
01:58:38.025 --> 01:58:41.285
and Fair Housing Act, we don't want to take on

2652
01:58:41.285 --> 01:58:42.325
that responsibility.

2653
01:58:44.295 --> 01:58:47.165
Those are my two reports, uh, on that issue.

2654
01:58:47.345 --> 01:58:49.005
If you have questions, I'm here.

2655
01:58:49.005 --> 01:58:50.925
Otherwise I have one more report.

2656
01:58:52.145 --> 01:58:54.365
The final report is on the orders of enforcement.

2657
01:58:54.365 --> 01:58:56.365
Just letting you know that going forward we're gonna be

2658
01:58:56.365 --> 01:58:58.165
adding additional language to our orders

2659
01:58:58.225 --> 01:59:00.005
of enforcement against property owners.

2660
01:59:00.665 --> 01:59:03.485
Uh, what we're going to do is we're gonna add a paragraph in

2661
01:59:03.485 --> 01:59:06.525
there where the board can decide whether it wants

2662
01:59:06.525 --> 01:59:09.645
to rehear a case based on additional evidence

2663
01:59:09.705 --> 01:59:11.605
that's brought forth at a later date.

2664
01:59:12.225 --> 01:59:14.325
Uh, this is an issue and it has been an issue before

2665
01:59:14.325 --> 01:59:17.405
because in one district we had a house fire

2666
01:59:17.415 --> 01:59:19.085
where a property owner got up

2667
01:59:19.085 --> 01:59:20.645
and testified as to certain things,

2668
01:59:21.605 --> 01:59:22.965
specifically pulling permits

2669
01:59:22.965 --> 01:59:25.445
and taking certain action to rebuild the property.

2670
01:59:26.145 --> 01:59:27.765
Um, so the board took

2671
01:59:27.765 --> 01:59:30.005
that into consideration just like you would granted

2672
01:59:30.005 --> 01:59:31.645
that homeowner a little bit more time

2673
01:59:31.645 --> 01:59:33.925
because they looked like they were actively trying

2674
01:59:33.925 --> 01:59:36.285
to do things and turned out

2675
01:59:36.405 --> 01:59:38.005
subsequently that that was all false.

2676
01:59:39.105 --> 01:59:41.885
And so it was more, it was just more of a delay tactic

2677
01:59:41.905 --> 01:59:42.925
for that property owner.

2678
01:59:43.425 --> 01:59:44.885
And the board wanted to bring it back

2679
01:59:44.885 --> 01:59:46.205
and there was no process to do that.

2680
01:59:46.625 --> 01:59:49.325
So this will give you the authority of community standards.

2681
01:59:49.325 --> 01:59:51.445
Or even if a board member finds out that, um,

2682
01:59:51.445 --> 01:59:54.165
there's some issue that there was something that was said

2683
01:59:54.165 --> 01:59:56.525
that was inaccurate, had this board known about it,

2684
01:59:56.525 --> 01:59:58.485
they would've ruled differently, you'll

2685
01:59:58.485 --> 01:59:59.525
be able to hear that case again.

2686
02:00:00.625 --> 02:00:03.005
And, and what, and you're gonna bring that up or, or

2687
02:00:03.255 --> 02:00:04.725
We're just gonna put that in the orders

2688
02:00:04.825 --> 02:00:06.085
of enforcement going forward.

2689
02:00:06.305 --> 02:00:08.205
I'm gonna look at the rule to make sure we don't need

2690
02:00:08.205 --> 02:00:10.085
to make any changes to that specifically.

2691
02:00:10.265 --> 02:00:12.525
I'd rather not. 'cause it's cheaper just to do it that way.

2692
02:00:12.625 --> 02:00:15.245
But if we need to change the rule, we will. Okay. Good.

2693
02:00:16.225 --> 02:00:17.365
And those are all my reports.

2694
02:00:18.435 --> 02:00:18.725
Okay.

2695
02:00:24.985 --> 02:00:27.645
So she has a question

2696
02:00:28.435 --> 02:00:31.725
When I don't, She can, she can,

2697
02:00:32.305 --> 02:00:35.405
Uh, Donna close from Cottage of Summit Chase, I'm sorry,

2698
02:00:35.565 --> 02:00:36.805
I didn't quite understand

2699
02:00:36.985 --> 02:00:39.085
or hear completely what you said

2700
02:00:39.665 --> 02:00:44.285
in your report about the age limit, whether it's up

2701
02:00:44.305 --> 02:00:46.925
to the village developer or this committee.

2702
02:00:47.075 --> 02:00:48.165
What was the outcome

2703
02:00:49.025 --> 02:00:51.845
The developer's gonna maintain the, uh, enforcement

2704
02:00:51.945 --> 02:00:53.245
of age restrictions.

2705
02:00:53.825 --> 02:00:56.805
The village developer. The developer. Yes. Thank you.

2706
02:00:59.755 --> 02:01:01.805
Okay. Moving that We'll move on to, uh,

2707
02:01:02.335 --> 02:01:03.365
Supervisor Comments.

2708
02:01:06.275 --> 02:01:10.965
None. Terry, nothing. Stephen. None, Dick. No, I'm fine.

2709
02:01:11.365 --> 02:01:13.245
Although I, I would, uh, comment

2710
02:01:13.795 --> 02:01:16.445
because I, I saw a number of you said, no,

2711
02:01:16.445 --> 02:01:17.565
but you're gonna comment anyway.

2712
02:01:18.345 --> 02:01:22.605
He said no. Then he started talking about, well, yeah, I I,

2713
02:01:22.635 --> 02:01:25.005
I've been contemplating this throughout the whole meeting

2714
02:01:25.265 --> 02:01:29.685
and you know, I I typically end up doing at least half a

2715
02:01:29.885 --> 02:01:31.365
district two's meeting as well.

2716
02:01:32.425 --> 02:01:33.565
And it appears to me,

2717
02:01:34.545 --> 02:01:39.365
and maybe me only that there are a lot of, let's throw the,

2718
02:01:41.865 --> 02:01:46.085
the deed restrictions or anything else out the window

2719
02:01:46.505 --> 02:01:49.725
and just make up our own rules as we go along.

2720
02:01:49.945 --> 02:01:53.965
And obviously that's legal Mark. 'cause you're saying, okay.

2721
02:01:54.565 --> 02:01:55.605
I did not say Okay.

2722
02:01:55.765 --> 02:01:58.165
I said it was my, I recommended against it.

2723
02:01:58.755 --> 02:02:01.765
Well, we changed all the all by by line.

2724
02:02:01.785 --> 02:02:04.885
I'm just clarifying the record. You and I by line, you

2725
02:02:04.885 --> 02:02:06.125
and I did it both then.

2726
02:02:06.185 --> 02:02:10.525
Uh, and, uh, I, I just wish we would all

2727
02:02:11.455 --> 02:02:13.885
visit to our

2728
02:02:16.045 --> 02:02:20.255
motions or minutes, uh, anything that has to do

2729
02:02:20.325 --> 02:02:22.615
with changing whatever and, uh,

2730
02:02:23.195 --> 02:02:26.535
and so I'm just a little concerned about that.

2731
02:02:27.245 --> 02:02:28.295
Okay. That's, well,

2732
02:02:30.045 --> 02:02:31.775
What, wasn't it a unanimous vote?

2733
02:02:32.475 --> 02:02:36.415
It was, it was. And on top of it, I,

2734
02:02:37.415 --> 02:02:38.895
I don't disagree with the fact

2735
02:02:38.895 --> 02:02:40.255
that we need to look carefully.

2736
02:02:40.395 --> 02:02:42.935
Oh yeah. And that the decisions we make need

2737
02:02:42.935 --> 02:02:46.735
to be based upon what we determine to be appropriate.

2738
02:02:47.315 --> 02:02:48.455
In particular case incur.

2739
02:02:48.995 --> 02:02:51.735
And you give judges leniency with regard to

2740
02:02:51.915 --> 02:02:53.935
how they sentence people we're doing the same thing.

2741
02:02:54.085 --> 02:02:56.415
Okay. Neil, anything?

2742
02:02:57.795 --> 02:03:00.335
Oh, I think it's,

2743
02:03:01.045 --> 02:03:02.375
Yeah, just, uh, one more thing.

2744
02:03:02.555 --> 02:03:04.415
I'm sorry that, uh, I delayed,

2745
02:03:04.535 --> 02:03:05.855
I made this meeting go longer,

2746
02:03:06.635 --> 02:03:08.175
but a lot of the residents, it's,

2747
02:03:08.275 --> 02:03:10.535
Oh, you can stop talking now then. It's

2748
02:03:10.535 --> 02:03:11.535
Good. Yeah, I talked

2749
02:03:11.535 --> 02:03:12.135
a lot too,

2750
02:03:12.155 --> 02:03:13.975
but it, it was a good opportunity to,

2751
02:03:14.035 --> 02:03:15.215
to get the people involved.

2752
02:03:15.355 --> 02:03:18.055
Yes. And uh, they, I'm, I'm sure they enjoyed it too.

2753
02:03:18.155 --> 02:03:19.935
So I prolonged your meeting.

2754
02:03:20.395 --> 02:03:23.095
I'm sorry I was part of the problem myself, so No,

2755
02:03:23.095 --> 02:03:24.095
Thank you. No problem.

2756
02:03:24.095 --> 02:03:25.255
Why we're here. Yeah.

2757
02:03:25.315 --> 02:03:28.215
The only thing, the only thing I have is that I signed up

2758
02:03:28.215 --> 02:03:29.415
to do government day.

2759
02:03:29.485 --> 02:03:31.775
Gary, I'm not gonna be there.

2760
02:03:31.995 --> 02:03:34.575
I'm having surgery, so, okay.

2761
02:03:34.915 --> 02:03:37.695
Let me, let me know when his place, let me know when

2762
02:03:37.695 --> 02:03:38.695
His, okay.

2763
02:03:38.765 --> 02:03:40.815
Well the clerk will reach out and,

2764
02:03:40.955 --> 02:03:42.375
and see if we get someone to cover it.

2765
02:03:42.565 --> 02:03:44.295
Okay. Alright. I have a question.

2766
02:03:44.535 --> 02:03:46.735
I could do a half an hour and an hour and a half and

2767
02:03:49.015 --> 02:03:50.655
I guess I'm not too clear about,

2768
02:03:50.915 --> 02:03:52.135
You gotta state your name and where you

2769
02:03:52.135 --> 02:03:53.135
Live. Mary Janowski

2770
02:03:53.135 --> 02:03:54.815
Cottages of Summer.

2771
02:03:54.825 --> 02:03:58.255
Chase, I have a question again that has to do

2772
02:03:58.255 --> 02:04:00.615
with the developer, which you mentioned earlier

2773
02:04:00.765 --> 02:04:02.815
that it's in the hands of the developer

2774
02:04:03.395 --> 02:04:07.655
and in the past it is been said that he does not, um,

2775
02:04:08.505 --> 02:04:13.355
care to address the age of the inhabitants

2776
02:04:13.415 --> 02:04:15.795
of our cottages so

2777
02:04:15.825 --> 02:04:19.635
that anybody at any age limit can live in the cottages.

2778
02:04:19.655 --> 02:04:20.755
Is that what I understand?

2779
02:04:21.655 --> 02:04:24.515
No, the deed restriction state that nobody under the age

2780
02:04:24.515 --> 02:04:26.915
of 19 can permanently reside in the home.

2781
02:04:27.525 --> 02:04:29.515
There, the developer has the ability

2782
02:04:29.535 --> 02:04:31.155
to enforce those deed restrictions.

2783
02:04:31.375 --> 02:04:33.075
You as a property owner has the,

2784
02:04:33.215 --> 02:04:34.555
the ability to enforce them.

2785
02:04:34.655 --> 02:04:37.490
And this board does, this board has decided they are not

2786
02:04:37.490 --> 02:04:38.730
going to enforce that one.

2787
02:04:39.145 --> 02:04:41.245
But you still have either the property owner

2788
02:04:41.305 --> 02:04:43.405
or the developer that legally can enforce

2789
02:04:43.405 --> 02:04:44.445
those deed restrictions.

2790
02:04:45.585 --> 02:04:47.685
Oh, I, okay, now I understand it.

2791
02:04:47.745 --> 02:04:51.405
My concern was if one person gets away with it,

2792
02:04:51.635 --> 02:04:53.685
then the whole set

2793
02:04:53.745 --> 02:04:57.565
of 117 colleges could have children under

2794
02:04:57.625 --> 02:04:58.845
the age of 19.

2795
02:04:59.345 --> 02:05:02.605
That's the concern. And I do think there are other people

2796
02:05:02.835 --> 02:05:07.125
intending to bring infants into the cottages. Thank you.

2797
02:05:07.715 --> 02:05:10.765
Okay. Anything else, Gail?

2798
02:05:12.865 --> 02:05:14.645
No, I'm all set. Okay. And I have nothing.

2799
02:05:14.745 --> 02:05:17.165
So do we have a motion to adjourn? Move to Aurn.

2800
02:05:17.165 --> 02:05:19.325
Motion to adjourn. Okay. All in favor?