WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.045 --> 00:00:09.505 Uh, district seven, uh, seven 19th board meeting. 2 00:00:10.085 --> 00:00:13.785 Um, I think let's go with roll call first President. 3 00:00:13.925 --> 00:00:16.025 Uh, you are president. Very good. We're all here. 4 00:00:16.025 --> 00:00:18.825 That's great. Okay, let's do pledge allegiance and then the 5 00:00:19.265 --> 00:00:20.265 Movement Silence, please. 6 00:00:23.065 --> 00:00:24.185 I pledge allegiance 7 00:00:24.365 --> 00:00:26.905 To the flag of the United States of America, 8 00:00:27.605 --> 00:00:29.665 the two republic for which you stand. 9 00:00:30.085 --> 00:00:33.705 One nation under God, individual with liberty 10 00:00:34.045 --> 00:00:35.505 and justice for all. 11 00:00:41.445 --> 00:00:45.865 Please be seated. I 12 00:00:45.865 --> 00:00:47.065 appreciate the two people coming. 13 00:00:50.965 --> 00:00:54.865 Uh, I do, I really do. Um, let me get, let me just get this. 14 00:00:55.045 --> 00:00:59.745 We have, uh, oh, good. Everybody good? We're on. You are on. 15 00:01:00.175 --> 00:01:03.505 Okay. Okay. 16 00:01:03.505 --> 00:01:06.145 Anybody in the audience has anything to say? 17 00:01:07.045 --> 00:01:08.045 You could choose 18 00:01:09.295 --> 00:01:10.295 Line up. 19 00:01:12.535 --> 00:01:17.065 Morning, Leno, Arizona, 1634 Marigold Lane. 20 00:01:17.525 --> 00:01:22.105 Two things. Um, back in July, I had reported 21 00:01:22.615 --> 00:01:26.825 that the valve cover cap on our property 22 00:01:26.825 --> 00:01:29.465 or next to our property, so it is the, um, 23 00:01:29.695 --> 00:01:33.425 fire hydrant valve cover was raised up so 24 00:01:33.425 --> 00:01:34.465 that it was a trip hazard. 25 00:01:35.245 --> 00:01:37.825 And last month they came to fix it, but they made it worse. 26 00:01:37.825 --> 00:01:39.745 They made it higher. So I was hoping 27 00:01:39.745 --> 00:01:41.145 that somebody could come back and, 28 00:01:41.365 --> 00:01:43.305 and get it so that the concrete 29 00:01:43.365 --> 00:01:46.345 and the cap all flush with the lawn so 30 00:01:46.345 --> 00:01:47.745 that it's no longer a trip hazard. 31 00:01:48.095 --> 00:01:51.025 Yeah. Can I just by on that issue, she come over 32 00:01:51.025 --> 00:01:52.385 to me in the beginning of the meeting 33 00:01:52.465 --> 00:01:54.345 before the meeting and has a picture of it. 34 00:01:54.345 --> 00:01:56.185 It's kind of funny. It's not somebody gets hurt, 35 00:01:56.405 --> 00:01:58.065 but they raised it about six inches 36 00:01:58.135 --> 00:01:59.265 more than it was supposed to. 37 00:01:59.885 --> 00:02:01.945 So if we could have somebody jump on that. 38 00:02:02.145 --> 00:02:04.385 'cause it looks like a quick fix. All right. 39 00:02:04.445 --> 00:02:05.505 So, uh, you know, 40 00:02:05.775 --> 00:02:07.705 Easy fix, we'll take care of it today. Okay. 41 00:02:07.845 --> 00:02:09.145 Did you want this? Sure. 42 00:02:09.495 --> 00:02:12.425 Yeah. Yeah. That you take a look at that, Mr. Brown, 43 00:02:12.425 --> 00:02:13.465 you stay, it's, 44 00:02:13.465 --> 00:02:17.815 uh, no problem. 45 00:02:17.815 --> 00:02:19.015 Maybe somebody wrote it up wrong 46 00:02:19.015 --> 00:02:20.175 and they said raise it. I don't know. 47 00:02:21.065 --> 00:02:22.535 We'll get it resolved. Thank you. Thanks. 48 00:02:22.535 --> 00:02:25.495 Thanks. And then the second issue is just curious if, um, 49 00:02:26.275 --> 00:02:29.735 you have heard back from, uh, Congressman Webster 50 00:02:29.815 --> 00:02:31.375 regarding the postal station. 51 00:02:34.225 --> 00:02:36.495 There was stuff in the minute, but 52 00:02:36.925 --> 00:02:37.925 Yeah. Mr. Brown, 53 00:02:37.925 --> 00:02:38.355 54 00:02:40.605 --> 00:02:42.135 They wanted something filled out 55 00:02:42.135 --> 00:02:45.135 or they Yeah, they wanted, yeah. 56 00:02:45.555 --> 00:02:46.615 So the answer is yes. 57 00:02:46.665 --> 00:02:48.455 There was a response back 58 00:02:49.275 --> 00:02:52.615 and, um, Congressman Webster's office did acknowledge the 59 00:02:52.615 --> 00:02:56.415 request, and I believe they sent a form over for the chair 60 00:02:56.435 --> 00:03:01.045 to sign, uh, to do a formal congressional, uh, inquiry on 61 00:03:01.045 --> 00:03:02.165 that, uh, topic. 62 00:03:02.345 --> 00:03:04.925 So that will be signed by, uh, chairman today, 63 00:03:04.925 --> 00:03:07.125 and it'll be sent back to Congressman Webster's office. 64 00:03:07.185 --> 00:03:08.605 So we should receive some further 65 00:03:08.945 --> 00:03:10.685 correspondence back in the near future. 66 00:03:10.905 --> 00:03:13.925 But there was correspondence back from his office. We Thank 67 00:03:13.925 --> 00:03:14.925 You. Yeah. Which I did. Just 68 00:03:14.925 --> 00:03:15.605 signed it just 69 00:03:15.605 --> 00:03:16.685 about two seconds ago. 70 00:03:16.705 --> 00:03:18.685 Thanks so much. Yes. Thank you, 71 00:03:18.685 --> 00:03:19.685 Bruce. Bruce, would it be 72 00:03:19.685 --> 00:03:20.765 out of order for us 73 00:03:20.785 --> 00:03:22.965 to request a copy of the contract? 74 00:03:25.985 --> 00:03:28.365 Huh? The postal service Postal? 75 00:03:28.425 --> 00:03:31.485 Yes. Uh, I can certainly try. Uh, 76 00:03:32.715 --> 00:03:33.715 Yeah, It's good. I'd 77 00:03:33.715 --> 00:03:36.885 just like to see exactly the, uh, where word ology. 78 00:03:37.895 --> 00:03:38.905 Well, we can certainly make 79 00:03:38.905 --> 00:03:40.945 that request. Absolutely. No problem. 80 00:03:41.365 --> 00:03:43.865 That's a good idea. It's good to know what they changed, 81 00:03:43.885 --> 00:03:45.785 what's in it, especially when, when the, 82 00:03:45.785 --> 00:03:47.665 when our con constituents come to us, 83 00:03:47.665 --> 00:03:48.745 we know what the hell we're talking about. 84 00:03:48.775 --> 00:03:52.185 Yeah. Good idea. Thanks Bruce. We'll take care of it next 85 00:03:55.695 --> 00:03:56.695 Morning, everyone. My 86 00:03:56.695 --> 00:03:59.705 name is Keith Cruz, 2 7 3 3 Allen Dairy Lane. 87 00:04:00.365 --> 00:04:03.665 Um, I actually wanted to speak about the solar, 88 00:04:03.805 --> 00:04:05.065 but I see it's on here, 89 00:04:05.285 --> 00:04:07.705 so I'm assuming I I can speak later then. 90 00:04:07.725 --> 00:04:10.345 Yes. Okay. So then the only other thing I had 91 00:04:10.345 --> 00:04:13.145 is love them or Hay. 92 00:04:13.545 --> 00:04:15.985 I just wanted to point out that Gilbert WinDor, 93 00:04:16.265 --> 00:04:18.465 I dunno if you all know, passed away just recently. 94 00:04:18.615 --> 00:04:22.025 Yeah. And, uh, he's quite a controversial person, 95 00:04:22.085 --> 00:04:23.625 but still, I just wanted to make a comment 96 00:04:23.655 --> 00:04:25.425 that he is passing as noted. 97 00:04:25.815 --> 00:04:28.785 Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. 98 00:04:28.785 --> 00:04:30.145 Anybody else in the audience who would like 99 00:04:30.145 --> 00:04:31.225 to make any comments much? 100 00:04:33.325 --> 00:04:35.105 No. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. 101 00:04:35.255 --> 00:04:36.465 Okay, we'll close that part. 102 00:04:36.925 --> 00:04:40.345 Uh, next we have administrative of o for, uh, office 103 00:04:40.525 --> 00:04:44.585 of a newly elected for myself and Judy. 104 00:04:44.855 --> 00:04:46.825 Judy Ann. Yes. There's no 105 00:04:47.495 --> 00:04:48.495 Rise. Raise 106 00:04:48.495 --> 00:04:49.705 your right hand please. 107 00:04:51.645 --> 00:04:54.465 Do you hereby solemnly swear as a citizen of the state 108 00:04:54.465 --> 00:04:56.505 of Florida and the United States of America 109 00:04:56.685 --> 00:04:58.065 and are receiving the public funds 110 00:04:58.175 --> 00:05:00.545 that you'll uphold the Constitution in the state of Florida 111 00:05:00.685 --> 00:05:01.985 and the United States of America? 112 00:05:02.585 --> 00:05:03.985 I do. Congratulations. 113 00:05:05.405 --> 00:05:06.745 You don't have to uphold this. 114 00:05:08.315 --> 00:05:13.025 Thank, Thank you. Okay. 115 00:05:13.165 --> 00:05:15.665 Now we have, um, nominees for appointment for chair 116 00:05:15.885 --> 00:05:17.385 and, um, vice chair. 117 00:05:17.925 --> 00:05:20.345 Any, let's do chair first. Any nominations? 118 00:05:22.295 --> 00:05:24.985 Stay as is. You gotta do official. 119 00:05:26.175 --> 00:05:27.945 Okay. I would like to nominate Mr. 120 00:05:28.035 --> 00:05:30.425 Jerry Vicente for chair. 121 00:05:30.865 --> 00:05:32.265 I get a second. Second. 122 00:05:33.245 --> 00:05:36.545 All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? 123 00:05:38.625 --> 00:05:40.095 Thank you very much. Thanks for your first. 124 00:05:40.395 --> 00:05:41.935 Now I'd like to nominate chair, uh, 125 00:05:41.935 --> 00:05:43.295 vice chair, uh, Steve Black. 126 00:05:45.175 --> 00:05:49.955 I get a second. I second. Uh, all in favor? Aye. 127 00:05:50.135 --> 00:05:53.435 Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. 128 00:05:53.435 --> 00:05:55.395 Thanks for your vote of confidence. I appreciate it. 129 00:05:55.865 --> 00:06:00.045 Next we got appointment of, um, for, uh, PA and, 130 00:06:00.265 --> 00:06:02.165 and alternate and the IAC. 131 00:06:02.175 --> 00:06:03.285 Let's do PA first. 132 00:06:03.805 --> 00:06:06.525 I made it, um, public at our last Pwac meeting, 133 00:06:06.525 --> 00:06:08.045 not the last one, Friday at that. 134 00:06:08.545 --> 00:06:10.085 Um, after 12 years, 135 00:06:10.135 --> 00:06:13.045 seven years being alternate in five years being a primary, 136 00:06:13.945 --> 00:06:15.085 uh, I'm getting old. 137 00:06:15.085 --> 00:06:17.085 So I decide to sit back a little bit and, 138 00:06:17.545 --> 00:06:19.525 and, um, we, I asked Mr. 139 00:06:19.845 --> 00:06:21.565 L would he, uh, think about taking it 140 00:06:21.565 --> 00:06:23.525 and he said, no, let's move on for this time. 141 00:06:23.905 --> 00:06:27.285 So I went to, um, uh, I went to Ed 142 00:06:27.385 --> 00:06:29.925 and Ed said, uh, he would like to have it. 143 00:06:29.985 --> 00:06:34.645 So, um, I'd like to, uh, nominate, uh, ed, uh, 144 00:06:34.785 --> 00:06:37.565 to be, uh, the primary for PA second. 145 00:06:37.585 --> 00:06:41.485 Second. Now, I'll say later. Uh, all in favor? Aye. 146 00:06:41.645 --> 00:06:44.685 I about get second. You second. All in favor? A. Okay. 147 00:06:44.785 --> 00:06:46.285 Any opposed? None. 148 00:06:48.345 --> 00:06:51.245 Um, the alternate, uh, would like to keep Mr. Steve lap. 149 00:06:51.385 --> 00:06:55.285 So I nominate Steve lap for, um, alternate for Pwac. 150 00:06:56.105 --> 00:07:00.245 Second. You got a second? Okay. All in favor? Aye. 151 00:07:00.505 --> 00:07:03.645 Any opposed? Beautiful. 152 00:07:03.985 --> 00:07:05.045 Now only thing is, Bruce, 153 00:07:05.165 --> 00:07:07.805 I gotta say this is the first time in 12 years I'm doing 154 00:07:07.805 --> 00:07:09.285 this that we ever, and I have no problem. 155 00:07:09.355 --> 00:07:11.085 This is a good way, the best way of doing it. 156 00:07:11.105 --> 00:07:14.005 We never are nominated for PA or alternate. 157 00:07:14.155 --> 00:07:15.325 They would just volunteer. 158 00:07:15.705 --> 00:07:18.205 So would this be the procedure going moving forward? 159 00:07:18.545 --> 00:07:20.605 That's correct, yes, sir. Okay. Alright. 160 00:07:20.605 --> 00:07:22.525 That's, that's good to know. 'cause it has changed. 161 00:07:23.145 --> 00:07:27.765 Yes, sir. And now the, um, IAC um, Mr. Ed, um, Mr. 162 00:07:28.165 --> 00:07:31.725 Ed Coleman decided that he liked to give that up, 163 00:07:31.745 --> 00:07:33.845 but what's nice about Nice, what's good about, 164 00:07:33.845 --> 00:07:35.325 it's only, uh, every quarter. 165 00:07:35.385 --> 00:07:36.405 So it's four times a year. 166 00:07:36.425 --> 00:07:37.925 The meetings only four times a year. 167 00:07:38.555 --> 00:07:40.605 Anybody, uh, would like to volunteer? 168 00:07:41.585 --> 00:07:43.925 You know, the, to, uh, do the, uh, 169 00:07:44.925 --> 00:07:46.845 IAC uh, committee. 170 00:07:47.395 --> 00:07:49.605 This is the financial. That's financial. Yeah. 171 00:07:50.045 --> 00:07:51.125 Advisory committee. Finance. 172 00:07:51.465 --> 00:07:53.725 If nobody else wants it, I'll do it. Oh, thank you. 173 00:07:53.725 --> 00:07:54.765 That's nice here. Thank you. 174 00:07:55.155 --> 00:07:59.965 Okay, so, uh, do I get a second from your right, Judy in? 175 00:08:00.585 --> 00:08:04.285 Yes. Yes. All in favor? A Aye. Any opposed? 176 00:08:05.945 --> 00:08:09.525 We got it. Thank you. When's the next meeting? Is tomorrow. 177 00:08:09.925 --> 00:08:12.605 Tomorrow February? Yeah. Yeah, tomorrow. Tomorrow. 178 00:08:17.245 --> 00:08:18.805 Jennifer's looking up the date and we'll get you the 179 00:08:18.805 --> 00:08:19.885 exact date, time, and location. 180 00:08:19.885 --> 00:08:21.685 It's okay. I didn't think it was this month. 181 00:08:21.725 --> 00:08:26.165 I, it is at February 4th at Savannah Center at nine o'clock. 182 00:08:26.275 --> 00:08:29.165 Well, you put out emails, right? Reminding, right? Yeah. 183 00:08:29.485 --> 00:08:32.685 Jennifer emails go out. Yes, correct. Okay. 184 00:08:32.745 --> 00:08:37.565 So my mother tomorrow. Okay. Consent agenda. 185 00:08:37.965 --> 00:08:40.085 A motion to approve the consent agenda is a motion 186 00:08:40.085 --> 00:08:41.885 to approve all recommended actions. 187 00:08:42.345 --> 00:08:45.525 All matters on the consent agenda are considered routine 188 00:08:45.825 --> 00:08:47.085 or no discussion required 189 00:08:47.145 --> 00:08:50.005 unless desired by board supervisor or a members of the public. 190 00:08:50.515 --> 00:08:55.205 Okay? As we know, the consent agenda consists of approval 191 00:08:55.225 --> 00:08:58.445 of minutes, project wide invoice, and re. 192 00:08:58.715 --> 00:09:01.125 This is the resolution of travel expenses 193 00:09:01.585 --> 00:09:03.605 and policy for architect review committee. 194 00:09:04.025 --> 00:09:06.445 Uh, anybody got any questions? Any of them? Three items. 195 00:09:07.265 --> 00:09:10.725 Motion to approve. Second. All in favor? Aye. 196 00:09:10.985 --> 00:09:14.285 Any opposed? Thank you. 197 00:09:14.715 --> 00:09:17.125 Okay, let's go to new business first. 198 00:09:17.545 --> 00:09:19.645 So, your first item on new business is 199 00:09:19.665 --> 00:09:21.205 for board consideration adoption 200 00:09:21.205 --> 00:09:24.005 of resolution 2 0 2 5 dash zero three, 201 00:09:24.005 --> 00:09:25.485 establishing participation in the 202 00:09:25.485 --> 00:09:26.925 multimodal Path discussion group. 203 00:09:26.925 --> 00:09:29.845 So, as you recall, you've seen this item before in the past. 204 00:09:30.225 --> 00:09:33.645 It came out of a recommendation originally from Project Wide 205 00:09:33.845 --> 00:09:36.165 Advisory Committee to create a charter 206 00:09:36.265 --> 00:09:39.325 or resolution to formalize the multimodal 207 00:09:39.325 --> 00:09:40.365 path discussion group. 208 00:09:41.185 --> 00:09:44.765 Uh, it was, uh, not adopted at the time, 209 00:09:44.765 --> 00:09:46.045 which was several months ago. 210 00:09:46.745 --> 00:09:50.245 And, um, it has been requested to place back on the agenda 211 00:09:50.385 --> 00:09:52.205 for all of the residential c dds. 212 00:09:52.205 --> 00:09:53.805 You, you had agreed to put it on your 213 00:09:53.805 --> 00:09:54.965 agenda for the discussion. 214 00:09:55.625 --> 00:09:58.405 And so I believe you were the last CDD 215 00:09:58.425 --> 00:09:59.605 to have this presented 216 00:10:00.105 --> 00:10:02.925 before you for, uh, discussion and consideration. 217 00:10:03.375 --> 00:10:05.765 Bruce, I got a question. Um, I was in the original one, 218 00:10:06.025 --> 00:10:08.525 we back you, you know, and it, it, it really worked good. 219 00:10:08.525 --> 00:10:10.125 We had from one through, uh, 220 00:10:10.125 --> 00:10:12.765 and them days, I think it was one to oh 12, I guess. 221 00:10:13.225 --> 00:10:16.085 Uh, and Todd was the managing them days and were, 222 00:10:16.085 --> 00:10:18.445 and that's how we got the, uh, all the di uh, 223 00:10:18.515 --> 00:10:20.365 delineators on it really improved. 224 00:10:20.985 --> 00:10:23.525 But at, at this point, I thought about that, this point. 225 00:10:23.705 --> 00:10:26.085 Um, how many districts said they 226 00:10:26.085 --> 00:10:27.205 didn't want to get involved? 227 00:10:27.325 --> 00:10:28.925 I know District five one through four. 228 00:10:29.445 --> 00:10:31.365 I think most of 'em are because they have a different 229 00:10:31.365 --> 00:10:34.645 process than we do, as you know, uh, they don't have, uh, 230 00:10:34.845 --> 00:10:35.965 a PA per se. 231 00:10:35.965 --> 00:10:40.645 Correct. They have a C that only handles amenities. Correct. 232 00:10:40.665 --> 00:10:43.125 So when they do maintenance, everything's gotta go 233 00:10:43.125 --> 00:10:45.045 to individual districts no matter what. 234 00:10:45.425 --> 00:10:47.485 In our case, as you know, I don't mean 235 00:10:47.485 --> 00:10:48.685 to give you a history on something you already know, 236 00:10:49.065 --> 00:10:52.605 but from five to 13, we got a whole different procedure. 237 00:10:52.735 --> 00:10:57.045 Right. We got PA, which really, um, is, I'm gonna get 238 00:10:57.045 --> 00:10:59.165 to my point in a second, which really does the 239 00:10:59.165 --> 00:11:00.205 job of the committee. 240 00:11:00.345 --> 00:11:03.445 It just doesn't involve one through four. Okay. 241 00:11:04.075 --> 00:11:07.245 Because technically if the committee wants to come out 242 00:11:07.245 --> 00:11:08.365 with any kind of changes 243 00:11:08.825 --> 00:11:10.645 or come up with any kind of decision changes, 244 00:11:10.675 --> 00:11:11.885 they gotta go through PA. 245 00:11:12.705 --> 00:11:15.005 All right. You know, they, because the individual districts, 246 00:11:15.345 --> 00:11:17.085 you know, so to me, what my point is, 247 00:11:17.145 --> 00:11:18.885 we may be duplicating efforts here. 248 00:11:19.065 --> 00:11:22.845 We already have a process for if I want to change something, 249 00:11:22.905 --> 00:11:25.085 me or any supervisor on this board wants 250 00:11:25.085 --> 00:11:26.645 to change something when, especially when it comes 251 00:11:26.645 --> 00:11:30.485 to safety, um, we just go to PA alright, 252 00:11:30.585 --> 00:11:32.205 or we bring it up at, at this meeting 253 00:11:32.265 --> 00:11:34.205 and our representative would go to Pwac. 254 00:11:34.545 --> 00:11:36.205 And the reason why we go to Pwac first, 255 00:11:36.405 --> 00:11:39.005 'cause we want them as benefits to us to pay for them to pay 256 00:11:39.025 --> 00:11:42.125 for our, what we want because we only pay a percentage. 257 00:11:43.305 --> 00:11:45.325 The other option, of course, we got the option 258 00:11:45.325 --> 00:11:47.085 and Pwac says no, which you have in the passing. 259 00:11:47.085 --> 00:11:49.765 In some items we could pay for ourselves. Okay? 260 00:11:50.565 --> 00:11:52.045 District one through four don't have that option. 261 00:11:52.345 --> 00:11:53.685 So to have another committee, 262 00:11:54.185 --> 00:11:55.845 are we just duplicating an effort, 263 00:11:56.005 --> 00:11:57.325 a process that we already have? 264 00:11:59.285 --> 00:12:01.505 So everything you said is exactly correct. 265 00:12:02.445 --> 00:12:07.315 Um, I, I think that the, there is a duplication to a degree. 266 00:12:07.345 --> 00:12:10.475 Certainly everything you said is as far as if you want 267 00:12:10.475 --> 00:12:13.475 to change your multimodal pass, you would go through the, 268 00:12:14.095 --> 00:12:15.715 the project wide advisory committee, 269 00:12:15.815 --> 00:12:17.515 or you have the option to, um, 270 00:12:17.515 --> 00:12:18.515 we're just gonna pay it ourselves. 271 00:12:18.755 --> 00:12:19.795 'cause we wanna do something different. 272 00:12:20.455 --> 00:12:22.635 Um, districts one through four own 273 00:12:22.635 --> 00:12:25.035 and maintain their own multimodal paths, as you said. 274 00:12:25.095 --> 00:12:28.555 So their boards must approve it and pay for those changes. 275 00:12:29.855 --> 00:12:34.275 Um, I think, you know, the, 276 00:12:34.455 --> 00:12:37.995 the multimodal path discussion group, um, 277 00:12:38.705 --> 00:12:41.355 there's always good in discussing safety type 278 00:12:41.355 --> 00:12:42.595 issues and those kind of things. 279 00:12:42.735 --> 00:12:45.155 But as you know, from discussions at Project wide committee, 280 00:12:45.155 --> 00:12:47.715 when it's been discussed at project wide, uh, 281 00:12:47.735 --> 00:12:50.475 and the reason that this charter is not being presented 282 00:12:50.475 --> 00:12:53.835 to project wide is, as you stated, they already do all that. 283 00:12:54.095 --> 00:12:57.275 We have discussions, we have presentations on safety issues, 284 00:12:57.375 --> 00:12:59.875 and we've said many, many times, including project wide, 285 00:13:00.495 --> 00:13:03.195 if there's any concerns, issues, safety concerns, 286 00:13:03.255 --> 00:13:04.275 you see a pothole 287 00:13:04.295 --> 00:13:06.395 or something wrong with the multimodal path 288 00:13:06.395 --> 00:13:08.595 or line of sight issue, bring those 289 00:13:08.595 --> 00:13:09.715 to district property management, 290 00:13:09.715 --> 00:13:10.875 they'll get it taken care of right away. 291 00:13:11.095 --> 00:13:14.435 So, um, ultimately, I believe districts 292 00:13:15.045 --> 00:13:19.155 3 11 13 have opted to not participate in this group. 293 00:13:19.895 --> 00:13:21.875 Uh, I believe the others have, 294 00:13:22.495 --> 00:13:25.555 but ultimately it's, it's totally up to you as a board. 295 00:13:26.595 --> 00:13:29.475 I got a question. If, how does this safety idea 296 00:13:29.905 --> 00:13:32.835 that might get generated, um, 297 00:13:34.415 --> 00:13:37.755 up in districts one through four, how does that filter down 298 00:13:38.135 --> 00:13:41.635 or get to, you know, in front of PAC as, 299 00:13:41.815 --> 00:13:45.555 as maybe a consider, I mean, who are the attendees at PE 300 00:13:46.215 --> 00:13:50.235 for all the other districts that would pick up on that idea? 301 00:13:50.295 --> 00:13:52.875 It might be a darn good idea, you know, 302 00:13:52.875 --> 00:13:54.555 but how does that then get filtered? 303 00:13:54.975 --> 00:13:58.595 That's a great question. Typically you'll have several 304 00:13:59.295 --> 00:14:03.195 CD four, uh, supervisors in the audience or project wide. 305 00:14:03.995 --> 00:14:06.915 I know, uh, the CDD four chair is also the POA president. 306 00:14:06.935 --> 00:14:08.595 So he is not shy about going up to the podium 307 00:14:08.775 --> 00:14:11.275 and voicing his opinions on things and concerns. 308 00:14:11.975 --> 00:14:16.195 And, um, uh, there's also typically one 309 00:14:16.195 --> 00:14:19.435 or two other supervisors from other CDs between one 310 00:14:19.435 --> 00:14:21.395 and four that, that attend that meeting as well. 311 00:14:21.735 --> 00:14:22.795 Of course, it's a public meeting, 312 00:14:22.935 --> 00:14:25.515 so anybody from those c DDS can come 313 00:14:25.515 --> 00:14:27.075 and speak at project wide as well. 314 00:14:27.655 --> 00:14:31.875 And the, the multimodal thing is they're only gonna meet, 315 00:14:31.875 --> 00:14:33.755 what, three times a year? Something like that? 316 00:14:34.055 --> 00:14:35.275 Yes, sir. That's correct. Yeah. 317 00:14:35.275 --> 00:14:39.075 So it's not, it's not an over overburdensome 318 00:14:40.315 --> 00:14:41.355 participation, you know, it 319 00:14:41.575 --> 00:14:42.575 Has anything to do with safety. 320 00:14:42.665 --> 00:14:44.315 That was a good idea. I just wanna make sure 321 00:14:44.315 --> 00:14:47.395 that if it's only, it's only three times a year, it's good. 322 00:14:47.395 --> 00:14:48.515 But you gotta go every month. 323 00:14:48.975 --> 00:14:50.515 It could be just duplicating the efforts. 324 00:14:50.815 --> 00:14:52.605 Um, that I just put that out there. 325 00:14:52.685 --> 00:14:54.245 I, I'm not saying not to be involved. 326 00:14:54.545 --> 00:14:55.765 I'm not saying to be involved because 327 00:14:55.825 --> 00:14:56.925 I'm, I'm in the middle right now. 328 00:14:56.925 --> 00:14:58.325 It doesn't, you know, do I wanna 329 00:14:58.325 --> 00:14:59.485 go in the meetings every month? 330 00:14:59.765 --> 00:15:01.365 Probably not now. You know, uh, 331 00:15:01.955 --> 00:15:04.445 does somebody else on this board want to volunteer to go? 332 00:15:04.505 --> 00:15:06.685 That's great. So you want, let's, 333 00:15:06.685 --> 00:15:08.605 let's discuss if we wanna be part of it first, 334 00:15:08.625 --> 00:15:09.925 and then we gotta pick somebody 335 00:15:09.945 --> 00:15:12.045 or somebody to volunteer to go. 336 00:15:12.185 --> 00:15:13.325 So we want do, uh, 337 00:15:13.465 --> 00:15:15.445 do we get a consensus on that? We Go ahead. 338 00:15:15.635 --> 00:15:16.805 Clarification question. 339 00:15:16.825 --> 00:15:19.685 So the, the group gets together and discusses various things 340 00:15:20.625 --> 00:15:22.525 and then it goes to what? 341 00:15:22.805 --> 00:15:25.245 PAC or it goes into vapor space, or 342 00:15:25.705 --> 00:15:29.565 It goes back to this, to the, the representative at the, 343 00:15:29.585 --> 00:15:32.525 uh, at that, at that meeting would go back 344 00:15:32.525 --> 00:15:34.525 to their board and discuss it. 345 00:15:34.955 --> 00:15:39.125 Okay. Then obviously the process, you know, re revolves. 346 00:15:39.545 --> 00:15:40.685 So, but that's what would happen. 347 00:15:40.705 --> 00:15:42.365 If you're part of that, you'll get discussed 348 00:15:42.365 --> 00:15:43.565 and then you go back to a board. 349 00:15:43.745 --> 00:15:46.685 And of course, there's always one person on every board, 350 00:15:46.685 --> 00:15:49.805 especially from five to uh, 13, which is on PA. 351 00:15:50.065 --> 00:15:52.125 So obviously they would go whoever, 352 00:15:52.315 --> 00:15:53.925 like in this case it would be Ed 353 00:15:54.425 --> 00:15:56.165 and he would discuss it with us first, 354 00:15:56.185 --> 00:15:58.125 and we agreed Ed would go and represent us. 355 00:15:58.505 --> 00:15:59.845 And that's how it's done the process. 356 00:16:03.505 --> 00:16:06.885 So what do you think, but your 357 00:16:06.885 --> 00:16:08.325 opinion, you wanna be part of it? 358 00:16:08.345 --> 00:16:10.085 Or, or you, you know? 359 00:16:10.635 --> 00:16:13.325 Well, I, I don't see how it hurts anything. No. 360 00:16:13.505 --> 00:16:16.285 I'm just trying to understand how it really moves the ball. 361 00:16:17.835 --> 00:16:20.765 Well, they may come up with an idea that District five 362 00:16:20.825 --> 00:16:23.445 to 13 doesn't, and I have a good point, 363 00:16:23.785 --> 00:16:26.045 and it may be a good idea and we could run with that. 364 00:16:26.225 --> 00:16:28.125 Uh, obviously when that part of it, 365 00:16:28.125 --> 00:16:29.605 we're still gonna find out what it is anyway. 366 00:16:29.625 --> 00:16:32.925 And we, you know, it, the process will still get done. 367 00:16:32.985 --> 00:16:35.805 But, um, like I said, it's up to this board. 368 00:16:35.865 --> 00:16:37.045 I'm either here or there. My opinion 369 00:16:37.105 --> 00:16:38.325 is I just hope it ain't duplicate. 370 00:16:38.325 --> 00:16:39.605 It's only three times a year, 371 00:16:39.995 --> 00:16:41.605 then it may pay, which every month. 372 00:16:41.965 --> 00:16:44.285 I don't know, you know? But that, that's just my opinion. 373 00:16:44.435 --> 00:16:48.085 Just some thoughts for consideration as you talk is, 374 00:16:49.025 --> 00:16:51.565 as you know, at project wide, project wide had, 375 00:16:51.755 --> 00:16:54.725 when this charter was first presented to them as a group, 376 00:16:54.755 --> 00:16:56.765 they decided we don't need to participate in this. 377 00:16:56.785 --> 00:16:58.525 We already do this as, as, uh, 378 00:16:58.805 --> 00:17:00.285 chairman already kind of discussed does. 379 00:17:01.945 --> 00:17:04.725 But when the multimodal path discussion group was meeting 380 00:17:04.985 --> 00:17:07.565 was held, ultimately most 381 00:17:07.565 --> 00:17:11.005 of the district's representatives kind of went to it anyway 382 00:17:11.715 --> 00:17:14.765 that participated in PA CDs 5 50 13 just to kind 383 00:17:14.765 --> 00:17:15.805 of see what was happening. 384 00:17:15.825 --> 00:17:17.645 And they sat at the table for the most part. 385 00:17:18.345 --> 00:17:19.725 So I think it's a, 386 00:17:19.905 --> 00:17:22.925 by defacto there's an interest in what they're gonna discuss. 387 00:17:23.185 --> 00:17:27.805 So it seemed like, uh, district supervisors went anyway, 388 00:17:27.805 --> 00:17:28.805 whether they set a table 389 00:17:28.865 --> 00:17:31.205 or sat in the audience just to kind of listen in 390 00:17:31.205 --> 00:17:32.685 and see what residents were gonna bring up 391 00:17:32.685 --> 00:17:35.325 or what the, the group was gonna discuss. So, yeah, 392 00:17:35.625 --> 00:17:36.625 No, no. Just for 393 00:17:36.625 --> 00:17:37.325 consideration. Yeah, 394 00:17:37.325 --> 00:17:38.325 It is. And you only have 395 00:17:38.325 --> 00:17:39.525 three, three, uh, 396 00:17:39.585 --> 00:17:40.925 issues that didn't wanna go. 397 00:17:41.065 --> 00:17:42.765 So it's a shame that we, 398 00:17:42.885 --> 00:17:44.445 I think we all should go or shouldn't go. 399 00:17:44.465 --> 00:17:46.365 You know, I don't, you know, but I 400 00:17:46.425 --> 00:17:47.885 that's, that's either here or there. 401 00:17:47.905 --> 00:17:51.165 So a, when, when does it meet? Does it have a certain date? 402 00:17:51.365 --> 00:17:55.045 I believe the next meeting is in January 21st. January 21st. 403 00:17:55.045 --> 00:17:57.365 Yeah. I knew it was coming up soon. It's tomorrow. Okay, 404 00:18:06.345 --> 00:18:06.845 that's good. 405 00:18:06.875 --> 00:18:09.005 He's decided maybe he wants to get involved. That's good. 406 00:18:11.105 --> 00:18:12.885 I'm with you. I have no opinion one way or the other. 407 00:18:12.885 --> 00:18:15.605 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if the board wants to do it, 408 00:18:15.605 --> 00:18:20.525 I'll support it, but it, it, I think that it would be good 409 00:18:20.525 --> 00:18:21.685 to have someone there listening. 410 00:18:22.665 --> 00:18:24.725 But I think a lot of the problems in one 411 00:18:24.725 --> 00:18:26.205 through board donors is down here 412 00:18:26.205 --> 00:18:28.445 because we do not have the same type of 413 00:18:29.435 --> 00:18:31.325 road situation as Morris Boulevard. 414 00:18:33.955 --> 00:18:36.805 Yeah. Ed, I think we probably should participate. 415 00:18:36.885 --> 00:18:38.885 I mean, we can always be out later, but, 416 00:18:39.225 --> 00:18:43.405 and to see maybe how productive, 417 00:18:43.425 --> 00:18:47.245 how influential, uh, they might become with their ideas. 418 00:18:49.105 --> 00:18:52.365 It, I don't, it can't hurt us, but, you know, 419 00:18:53.505 --> 00:18:54.965 If it's something we want to attend, 420 00:18:54.965 --> 00:18:56.885 but having attended one one of their meetings 421 00:18:56.905 --> 00:19:01.365 and see absolutely nothing get accomplished, uh, 422 00:19:01.515 --> 00:19:02.685 they have no authority. 423 00:19:03.425 --> 00:19:04.605 No, No. And, 424 00:19:04.745 --> 00:19:08.205 and the, the last time they did it, they got a lot 425 00:19:08.205 --> 00:19:10.845 of agreement, which is why we got some of the things we got. 426 00:19:10.905 --> 00:19:13.725 And then there was a peak division about whether we 427 00:19:13.725 --> 00:19:14.885 should we strike 428 00:19:14.885 --> 00:19:15.885 Them. Yeah. That's 429 00:19:15.885 --> 00:19:17.005 when we had everybody was going 430 00:19:17.005 --> 00:19:18.125 that I was part of that one. 431 00:19:18.125 --> 00:19:19.285 Yeah. And I tell you, it worked. 432 00:19:19.865 --> 00:19:21.445 Uh, Julianne, I'll be honest with you, 433 00:19:21.445 --> 00:19:22.525 they did a lot of improvements. 434 00:19:22.525 --> 00:19:23.565 Yeah. And yeah, they did. 435 00:19:23.715 --> 00:19:25.925 That was, you know, but you know, it it, 436 00:19:26.025 --> 00:19:27.685 that's when they won through all 437 00:19:27.685 --> 00:19:28.805 the districts were part of it. 438 00:19:28.825 --> 00:19:30.045 Uh, yep. Yeah. Um, 439 00:19:30.155 --> 00:19:31.445 They did, they got a lot of good things. 440 00:19:31.445 --> 00:19:33.325 We got the reflectors Yeah. Things. 441 00:19:34.145 --> 00:19:36.525 Um, but then the striping just kind of, 442 00:19:37.075 --> 00:19:38.485 Well, two, well 443 00:19:38.485 --> 00:19:40.525 of course it was a district one through four. 444 00:19:40.525 --> 00:19:42.765 They did the process, which technically they don't have a 445 00:19:42.805 --> 00:19:43.925 PA position like Right. 446 00:19:44.025 --> 00:19:45.405 So they went and did it themselves. 447 00:19:45.565 --> 00:19:49.005 I think District four and two has it. Yes sir. Am I right? 448 00:19:49.005 --> 00:19:50.205 Correct. Yeah. District two. 449 00:19:50.205 --> 00:19:52.405 And, and they say it works great. Is it worth the money? 450 00:19:53.425 --> 00:19:55.045 That's another thing of course. Safety. 451 00:19:55.045 --> 00:19:56.325 You don't wanna debate if it's worth the 452 00:19:56.325 --> 00:19:57.445 money 'cause somebody gets hurt. 453 00:19:57.515 --> 00:19:59.965 Yeah. You know, that's the key worth the money. Yeah. 454 00:19:59.965 --> 00:20:02.125 Then it's worth the money. So, uh, okay. 455 00:20:02.125 --> 00:20:04.245 Let's get to the bottom of this. Yes or no? 456 00:20:06.285 --> 00:20:08.485 I don't care. Yeah, I think we should. 457 00:20:09.015 --> 00:20:12.205 Let's Go. I agree. Yes. Okay. Yes. 458 00:20:12.305 --> 00:20:15.445 Uh, should I get a, uh, a vote on it or? Yes sir. Please. 459 00:20:15.595 --> 00:20:19.845 Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any, any opposed? 460 00:20:21.345 --> 00:20:22.885 Any? You get a second, but we, you know, 461 00:20:23.795 --> 00:20:25.045 I'll, there you go. I 462 00:20:25.225 --> 00:20:28.405 To uh, nominate the, we go to, uh, go to this meeting. 463 00:20:30.245 --> 00:20:34.805 I second that. That was great. Yeah. 464 00:20:35.075 --> 00:20:38.085 He's your friend. Well, I felt that one coming only 465 00:20:38.085 --> 00:20:39.845 because you're on something, you're on something, 466 00:20:39.845 --> 00:20:41.125 you're on something, you're on something. 467 00:20:41.305 --> 00:20:44.645 I'm on nothing. So it's like, okay. 468 00:20:45.835 --> 00:20:49.365 Alright. So it volunteer before they make me there. 469 00:20:49.425 --> 00:20:51.565 And if, if you don't, if you can't go with something, 470 00:20:51.565 --> 00:20:53.405 obviously I could be your or if you want. 471 00:20:53.405 --> 00:20:54.685 Alright. Okay, fine. 472 00:20:54.685 --> 00:20:56.965 We'll go and see how it, see how it rolls. 473 00:20:56.965 --> 00:20:59.205 Don't ever feel obligate. Something comes up just on, 474 00:20:59.345 --> 00:21:01.845 let the obviously, uh, Brittany know. 475 00:21:03.355 --> 00:21:07.765 Okay. Gotcha. Let's move on. Sounds good. Okay. 476 00:21:07.975 --> 00:21:10.045 Draft, uh oh, this is go legal fees. 477 00:21:10.045 --> 00:21:11.405 Yeah, I gotta talk about the legal fees. 478 00:21:11.785 --> 00:21:13.725 The legal fees for the last month was, 479 00:21:14.165 --> 00:21:16.845 'cause obviously our lawyer was looking into, um, the solar, 480 00:21:16.975 --> 00:21:21.885 which he did a lot of work on, um, was 3,795 bucks. 481 00:21:22.545 --> 00:21:25.645 That's 3,795 and 85 cents. 482 00:21:26.265 --> 00:21:27.845 Um, any questions on that? 483 00:21:28.825 --> 00:21:31.685 Do I get a, uh, do we have two invoices or is that 484 00:21:31.905 --> 00:21:32.905 You? Do you have October 485 00:21:32.905 --> 00:21:34.085 and November? Yeah, 486 00:21:34.085 --> 00:21:35.085 That's the total. Yeah. 487 00:21:35.085 --> 00:21:37.525 So the 3000 is the total Yes. Correct. 488 00:21:37.945 --> 00:21:41.765 Motion to approve. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. 489 00:21:42.145 --> 00:21:46.605 Any, uh, opposed? Thank you. That's approved. 490 00:21:47.295 --> 00:21:50.645 Let's go to the next one. It's a good one. Draft. Aye. Yes. 491 00:21:51.625 --> 00:21:53.125 I'm sorry. This is Wes. Just really quick 492 00:21:53.225 --> 00:21:54.445 and forgive me if you did it. 493 00:21:54.505 --> 00:21:56.645 Did you actually do a motion to approve 494 00:21:57.405 --> 00:21:59.325 resolution 2025 dash zero three? 495 00:21:59.745 --> 00:22:04.005 Uh, yes You did. Okay. Thank you. Sorry to interrupt. 496 00:22:04.185 --> 00:22:05.725 Yes. You want me to do it again just in case? 497 00:22:05.925 --> 00:22:08.125 'cause I think we did. Yeah. Did I think we 498 00:22:08.125 --> 00:22:09.245 did. You did one. 499 00:22:09.885 --> 00:22:10.885 I didn't recall hearing it, 500 00:22:10.945 --> 00:22:13.405 but, um, if, 501 00:22:13.405 --> 00:22:14.565 if there's any question, it can't 502 00:22:14.565 --> 00:22:15.645 hurt to do it twice. I didn't, yeah, 503 00:22:15.645 --> 00:22:16.645 Let's do it again. Did I get a motion 504 00:22:16.645 --> 00:22:17.165 to approve? 505 00:22:17.165 --> 00:22:18.085 Gimme a, you know why I 506 00:22:18.085 --> 00:22:19.165 don't think we actually did a motion? 507 00:22:19.225 --> 00:22:21.285 You, wes, you're paying attention. Yeah. 508 00:22:22.425 --> 00:22:24.125 Motion to approve the resolution 509 00:22:24.185 --> 00:22:25.685 to establish participation in the 510 00:22:25.685 --> 00:22:27.125 multimodal task discussion group. 511 00:22:27.465 --> 00:22:30.285 Get a second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. 512 00:22:30.465 --> 00:22:35.085 Any, any opposed? Discussion? Beautiful. Thank you Wes. 513 00:22:35.895 --> 00:22:37.245 Thank you. No Discussion. 514 00:22:37.705 --> 00:22:40.885 You went to, okay, let's, we went to legal fees now. 515 00:22:41.015 --> 00:22:44.565 Draft requests for proposal RFP Scope 516 00:22:44.735 --> 00:22:46.205 Solar Street Lightning. 517 00:22:46.905 --> 00:22:51.405 Yes, sir. So this obviously was, uh, drafted 518 00:22:51.405 --> 00:22:52.965 and submitted electronically to the board 519 00:22:52.965 --> 00:22:54.005 for review and comment. 520 00:22:54.365 --> 00:22:55.845 I know that supervisor LAP 521 00:22:56.165 --> 00:22:58.445 provided comment back, uh, 522 00:22:58.665 --> 00:23:01.655 to the board and to the staff. 523 00:23:01.665 --> 00:23:04.175 There were several options that were proposed. 524 00:23:04.595 --> 00:23:07.335 Um, a full design build option, 525 00:23:08.185 --> 00:23:11.615 which would be a 20 plus year project, you know, 526 00:23:11.615 --> 00:23:16.455 full lifecycle essentially of the, uh, installation 527 00:23:16.455 --> 00:23:19.575 of solar and removal of the existing 528 00:23:20.715 --> 00:23:22.055 CCO poles and lights. 529 00:23:22.705 --> 00:23:27.545 There was an alternative to presented as well as 530 00:23:28.305 --> 00:23:31.505 a option to present something, um, outside 531 00:23:31.505 --> 00:23:34.265 of those two proposals. 532 00:23:36.905 --> 00:23:41.065 I don't know if, uh, You wanna walk through each of those 533 00:23:41.285 --> 00:23:44.305 or what your preference is to do it. 534 00:23:44.585 --> 00:23:46.405 Ultimately the goal here is to try to come up 535 00:23:46.405 --> 00:23:49.325 with a board direction on which option you'd like 536 00:23:49.325 --> 00:23:53.205 to finalize in an RFP and then put it out, uh, to bid. 537 00:23:53.675 --> 00:23:56.765 Alternatively, a question for the board, if you do come to 538 00:23:56.765 --> 00:23:58.005 that decision, is do you wanna 539 00:23:58.005 --> 00:23:59.125 share that with the other boards? 540 00:23:59.205 --> 00:24:01.605 'cause as you know, the other boards are in similar 541 00:24:02.005 --> 00:24:05.205 positions with the, um, same lighting type 542 00:24:05.765 --> 00:24:07.085 situation that you have. 543 00:24:07.885 --> 00:24:09.725 I did wanna mention that district two, 544 00:24:09.865 --> 00:24:12.965 who only owns about 57 58 poles, 545 00:24:13.145 --> 00:24:17.565 did look into an option to hire an engineering firm to do a 546 00:24:18.085 --> 00:24:20.805 analysis of what it would cost to replace 547 00:24:20.945 --> 00:24:23.005 and the lifecycle costs, those kind of things. 548 00:24:23.185 --> 00:24:26.965 And, uh, that cost proposal was $22,000 549 00:24:27.025 --> 00:24:29.165 to the engineering study and they declined to move forward 550 00:24:29.165 --> 00:24:30.685 with that for whatever that's worth. 551 00:24:31.545 --> 00:24:35.205 Um, so 552 00:24:35.635 --> 00:24:36.845 with that, so 553 00:24:36.845 --> 00:24:38.845 Bruce, just, I'm sorry, just on that issue. 554 00:24:39.305 --> 00:24:43.325 So, so far the only districts that really are pursuing this 555 00:24:44.025 --> 00:24:47.805 was district two and it seems like now they're level 'em out 556 00:24:47.805 --> 00:24:49.285 where they don't wanna pursue it anymore. 557 00:24:49.375 --> 00:24:52.005 Seems And so it's only us. 558 00:24:52.105 --> 00:24:56.125 Now I know at our last board fast board meeting I spoke to, 559 00:24:56.345 --> 00:24:57.965 uh, Mike ler about this. 560 00:24:58.585 --> 00:25:00.845 Uh, I think we discussed, this board discussed 561 00:25:00.845 --> 00:25:05.645 that once we get the final numbers, then we will give it, 562 00:25:05.905 --> 00:25:08.245 ask other districts if they wanna get involved. 563 00:25:08.305 --> 00:25:10.205 Am I correct about that? Is that where we went? 564 00:25:10.205 --> 00:25:11.605 Where we are. Okay. 565 00:25:11.785 --> 00:25:13.045 So in other words, we're gonna do all the work. 566 00:25:13.045 --> 00:25:14.205 It's gonna be on our dime, 567 00:25:14.425 --> 00:25:15.645 and then we're gonna ask the 568 00:25:15.645 --> 00:25:17.045 other districts if they want it. 569 00:25:17.205 --> 00:25:18.645 'cause that would be beneficiary for us. 570 00:25:18.925 --> 00:25:21.005 'cause it'd be cheaper. Okay. That's where we are. Yeah. 571 00:25:21.005 --> 00:25:24.965 That's what we talked about. Okay. Uh, am I right? You over? 572 00:25:25.665 --> 00:25:28.405 Yes, sir. So depending on how the RFP was crafted, 573 00:25:28.405 --> 00:25:31.285 it certainly could be crafted that if we put it out 574 00:25:31.285 --> 00:25:32.605 to bid that it could be scalable. 575 00:25:32.835 --> 00:25:35.085 That if other c DDS wish to do it, 576 00:25:35.275 --> 00:25:39.885 then potentially there would be a, um, you know, uh, 577 00:25:40.035 --> 00:25:42.445 another cost savings due to the, uh, 578 00:25:42.635 --> 00:25:44.725 increased participation larger numbers. 579 00:25:45.215 --> 00:25:47.085 Right. And obviously we have to go out the bid. 580 00:25:47.325 --> 00:25:48.325 'cause if we don't go out the bid, 581 00:25:48.325 --> 00:25:49.685 we don't know what the numbers really are. 582 00:25:50.175 --> 00:25:51.645 Right. You know, so, uh, 583 00:25:52.065 --> 00:25:54.325 so technically we can't get information 584 00:25:54.325 --> 00:25:56.485 that people are going to ask until we go out the bid. 585 00:25:56.625 --> 00:25:58.285 So we gotta put the horse 586 00:25:58.285 --> 00:26:00.485 before the, uh, the horse's head, before the horse's butt. 587 00:26:00.505 --> 00:26:03.965 So the bottom line is we, we have Yeah, yeah. 588 00:26:03.965 --> 00:26:06.805 We can go out with the RFP, get the information we need, 589 00:26:06.805 --> 00:26:08.125 and if we decide we don't like it, 590 00:26:08.125 --> 00:26:09.285 we just simply do not execute. 591 00:26:09.515 --> 00:26:11.325 Exactly. That's that's Absolutely correct. 592 00:26:11.475 --> 00:26:13.045 Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's, yeah. 593 00:26:13.545 --> 00:26:16.365 That's, uh, I just hope that the residents, 594 00:26:16.365 --> 00:26:18.125 and of course you, I know you got a couple questions, 595 00:26:18.345 --> 00:26:20.005 but that without, we have to go out the bid 596 00:26:20.005 --> 00:26:21.805 to find out if it's really feasible 597 00:26:21.825 --> 00:26:23.245 for the, for us to go this route. 598 00:26:23.785 --> 00:26:26.805 Uh, so, um, I I honestly, and not 599 00:26:26.805 --> 00:26:28.605 because I'm part of this board, I think it's nice, 600 00:26:28.925 --> 00:26:30.085 I think it's kind of, 601 00:26:30.445 --> 00:26:32.365 I don't understand why nobody else would wanna do 602 00:26:32.365 --> 00:26:34.165 this, you know? Yeah. 603 00:26:34.905 --> 00:26:39.445 The cost, there's an ease of just paying the seco. 604 00:26:39.715 --> 00:26:41.965 Yeah. And then the, okay, 605 00:26:42.975 --> 00:26:45.085 let's figure out what's best for the residents. 606 00:26:45.345 --> 00:26:47.605 And that's a little more effort and a little more work. 607 00:26:48.185 --> 00:26:51.005 And, you know, they're waiting patiently to see, 608 00:26:51.925 --> 00:26:54.445 I, I think, let me know when you think Bruce, and, 609 00:26:54.465 --> 00:26:57.085 and I think once we get the, the proposal in 610 00:26:57.085 --> 00:26:59.005 and we get the numbers now it's gonna be, 611 00:26:59.005 --> 00:27:00.845 we're gonna probably, this what I was thinking, 612 00:27:00.845 --> 00:27:03.205 we're gonna have to ask staff to give us 613 00:27:03.585 --> 00:27:05.165 how much LEC electricity 614 00:27:05.185 --> 00:27:08.725 or, uh, CCOs charges now, how much, how much, 615 00:27:08.745 --> 00:27:10.245 how much it would be forecast. 616 00:27:10.445 --> 00:27:12.125 I don't know, obviously what their 617 00:27:12.125 --> 00:27:13.325 raises have been every year. 618 00:27:13.495 --> 00:27:15.605 Right. And it's gonna be a lot of work 619 00:27:15.905 --> 00:27:18.405 to really get the oranges orange together. 620 00:27:18.475 --> 00:27:21.525 Yeah. So we could show the residents this is 621 00:27:21.525 --> 00:27:22.885 how much we're gonna save, or this is 622 00:27:22.885 --> 00:27:25.565 how much more it's gonna be for solar it we are gonna, 623 00:27:25.625 --> 00:27:27.965 and it's gonna be a long road to get that information 624 00:27:28.265 --> 00:27:30.165 and the staff's gonna have to work hard on this one. 625 00:27:30.545 --> 00:27:33.285 Um, I see that coming. Yeah. 626 00:27:33.505 --> 00:27:35.485 But it, it should, that's the way it needs to be. 627 00:27:35.505 --> 00:27:36.645 If we're gonna make an 628 00:27:36.925 --> 00:27:37.765 Informed decision. Yes. 629 00:27:37.835 --> 00:27:39.485 There's, there's gotta be a cost 630 00:27:39.485 --> 00:27:40.925 benefit analysis for repair. 631 00:27:40.925 --> 00:27:43.165 Yeah. There's, there's no getting around that. 632 00:27:43.345 --> 00:27:44.965 No, I think you're absolutely right. 633 00:27:45.045 --> 00:27:47.365 I think what you see with some of the other boards is, 634 00:27:47.905 --> 00:27:50.645 as you know, I'm sure Brittany has discussed the CCO 635 00:27:50.645 --> 00:27:51.805 grant that they received. 636 00:27:52.305 --> 00:27:54.925 So there's discussion of whether they're going to, uh, 637 00:27:55.105 --> 00:27:58.325 offset the increase for next fiscal year 638 00:27:58.505 --> 00:27:59.525 by using that grant. 639 00:28:00.305 --> 00:28:02.125 Um, so I think some of the boards are, 640 00:28:02.685 --> 00:28:03.805 I would doubt that seriously. 641 00:28:04.025 --> 00:28:05.805 So, so some of the boards are kind of holding back. 642 00:28:05.805 --> 00:28:07.005 Let's see what CCO does. 643 00:28:07.645 --> 00:28:10.005 I think, you know, part of the consideration has to be, 644 00:28:10.005 --> 00:28:14.725 right now you have existing CCO infrastructure, uh, 645 00:28:14.985 --> 00:28:18.645 CCO polls, SL lights, that that needs to be removed. 646 00:28:19.265 --> 00:28:21.685 Uh, whether that's a SECO cost 647 00:28:22.065 --> 00:28:24.885 or, uh, you know, is it seco come pick up your poles 648 00:28:24.885 --> 00:28:25.925 and go home kind of thing? 649 00:28:26.625 --> 00:28:29.885 Or, or is that, is that a district cost to remove that? 650 00:28:29.885 --> 00:28:32.405 Mm-hmm. Obviously if you're putting solar poles on raw 651 00:28:32.505 --> 00:28:36.845 ground with no infrastructure, that's a lot easier than, uh, 652 00:28:36.925 --> 00:28:38.485 retrofitting potentially. 653 00:28:38.705 --> 00:28:41.165 That's part of the RFP analysis process. Yeah. 654 00:28:41.305 --> 00:28:43.405 And when we get, it's a no Brainer if we go with this, 655 00:28:43.905 --> 00:28:45.005 CCO gets your falls out. 656 00:28:45.225 --> 00:28:47.005 And that may be very well may be the case. 657 00:28:47.665 --> 00:28:49.965 The trick with that though, is if Seco gets mad 658 00:28:49.965 --> 00:28:51.845 and takes them all out in 48 hours. 659 00:28:52.915 --> 00:28:54.405 Well I was, you would, you could write it up. 660 00:28:55.265 --> 00:28:57.125 I'm sure we could do something to, but you're right. 661 00:28:57.125 --> 00:28:58.565 You're, there's so many And if 662 00:28:58.565 --> 00:28:59.685 They just take the polls 663 00:28:59.685 --> 00:29:00.965 and they leave everything in the ground, 664 00:29:01.065 --> 00:29:02.725 what's the liability of that? Yeah. 665 00:29:02.915 --> 00:29:04.125 Yeah. I know. There's so much. 666 00:29:04.265 --> 00:29:07.805 That's why we have good lawyers, Wes, listen. 667 00:29:08.385 --> 00:29:11.885 Uh, but, and the other issue is, and 668 00:29:11.945 --> 00:29:13.405 and Bruce, I know we asked, 669 00:29:13.605 --> 00:29:15.125 I don't know if they ever came back to us 670 00:29:15.345 --> 00:29:17.885 and I forgot to ask, uh, Mike, er on this 671 00:29:18.185 --> 00:29:20.765 and maybe Westwood know, uh, is the government, 672 00:29:20.765 --> 00:29:21.965 let's say we did go with solar. 673 00:29:22.385 --> 00:29:24.245 Is the government gonna give us some kind of rebate 674 00:29:24.305 --> 00:29:25.725 or some kind of a grant 675 00:29:25.835 --> 00:29:28.165 because we went solar some, you know, 676 00:29:28.905 --> 00:29:31.005 is there one out there? I know they're gonna look 677 00:29:31.005 --> 00:29:32.005 Into it. I, I do think 678 00:29:32.005 --> 00:29:34.045 there's eligibility that we've looked at. 679 00:29:34.705 --> 00:29:38.965 Um, some of those are restricted to, um, 680 00:29:40.095 --> 00:29:42.805 other forms of government, like the counties, municipalities 681 00:29:42.945 --> 00:29:44.965 and some are restricted from C dds. 682 00:29:45.445 --> 00:29:46.685 I don't think that's the case, 683 00:29:46.865 --> 00:29:49.125 but that's certainly something that I know that Mr. 684 00:29:49.405 --> 00:29:50.445 Eckard and Mr. Brianis, 685 00:29:50.445 --> 00:29:53.045 the other CDs have started looking into. 686 00:29:53.075 --> 00:29:54.605 Yeah. That, that would obviously be part 687 00:29:54.605 --> 00:29:56.845 of the whole cost benefit analysis package 688 00:29:56.845 --> 00:29:58.165 that would really have to be done. 689 00:29:58.595 --> 00:30:01.085 Yeah. As well as the full lifecycle cost of, 690 00:30:01.765 --> 00:30:03.725 'cause you know, right now if a pole falls over, 691 00:30:03.945 --> 00:30:05.405 as we've had many during the storm, 692 00:30:05.585 --> 00:30:08.085 or if a light goes out, seco maintains 693 00:30:08.085 --> 00:30:09.805 that puts the pole back up. 694 00:30:10.075 --> 00:30:12.285 It's their pole, their expense, uh, 695 00:30:12.285 --> 00:30:13.525 it's part of your lease cost. 696 00:30:13.545 --> 00:30:15.725 If the light goes out, they replace it. Same thing. 697 00:30:16.665 --> 00:30:20.245 Uh, you know, that all needs to be factored 698 00:30:20.265 --> 00:30:22.685 and that is included in the RFP for that. Right. 699 00:30:23.235 --> 00:30:24.885 Okay. So let's, let's get back 700 00:30:24.885 --> 00:30:26.485 to the hearts of the heart of this. 701 00:30:26.935 --> 00:30:30.485 Let's start, uh, looking at this, uh, proposal. 702 00:30:30.635 --> 00:30:32.245 What kind of changes you wanna make on it. 703 00:30:32.345 --> 00:30:33.805 Uh, you wanna go first, Steve? 704 00:30:34.195 --> 00:30:36.085 Sure. And I'd like you 705 00:30:36.285 --> 00:30:38.205 to explain why you wanna make them 706 00:30:40.515 --> 00:30:41.845 Take a look at the option of 707 00:30:42.465 --> 00:30:44.845 us buying everything direct purchase. 708 00:30:47.275 --> 00:30:50.005 Then we have to go through the issue of maintaining it 709 00:30:50.865 --> 00:30:54.885 or finding a contractor to maintain it, or contractors DURs. 710 00:30:58.685 --> 00:31:02.645 I, and I'm not sure that, uh, we want to 711 00:31:03.535 --> 00:31:06.075 put out the funds to buy all the equipment 712 00:31:07.215 --> 00:31:08.235 and to maintain it. 713 00:31:08.395 --> 00:31:10.355 I mean, I don't think we want to go out 714 00:31:10.355 --> 00:31:12.535 and buy bucket truck. 715 00:31:13.445 --> 00:31:17.375 Okay. So I I, when I read this, I didn't see that. 716 00:31:17.895 --> 00:31:22.335 I, what I saw was that if, if we can, 717 00:31:22.475 --> 00:31:24.495 if we're buying 700 poles, 718 00:31:25.035 --> 00:31:26.935 the tax savings could be considerable. 719 00:31:26.935 --> 00:31:29.335 Mm-hmm. If the vendor buys the pole, 720 00:31:29.725 --> 00:31:32.015 he's not getting the tax break no matter 721 00:31:32.015 --> 00:31:33.175 where he's putting the pole. 722 00:31:33.175 --> 00:31:37.695 Mm-hmm. So is it more cost effective to take the money from 723 00:31:37.725 --> 00:31:40.095 that, which would be in that agreement 724 00:31:40.315 --> 00:31:42.575 and say, okay, we're gonna pay this amount upfront, 725 00:31:43.065 --> 00:31:44.175 we're gonna buy the poles, 726 00:31:44.175 --> 00:31:45.655 but then all the maintenance, everything goes 727 00:31:45.655 --> 00:31:46.895 right back into the agreement. 728 00:31:47.375 --> 00:31:49.495 I don't foresee us doing the maintenance. 729 00:31:50.295 --> 00:31:52.335 I see that as an option to see. 730 00:31:53.155 --> 00:31:55.895 So if we're gonna save a hundred thousand dollars in taxes, 731 00:31:57.195 --> 00:31:59.415 but then it's gonna cost a hundred thousand dollars in 732 00:31:59.415 --> 00:32:00.695 maintenance, then it's mox next. 733 00:32:00.795 --> 00:32:02.215 But we won't know if we don't have 734 00:32:03.125 --> 00:32:07.775 Well, but the, what are you talking about with tax? 735 00:32:08.165 --> 00:32:10.015 Yeah. We don't Pay taxes. 736 00:32:10.795 --> 00:32:13.135 No. Let, let, let can Products for resale. 737 00:32:13.645 --> 00:32:15.895 Yeah. Let let I attorney, let I turn. I don't, 738 00:32:16.575 --> 00:32:17.575 That was my Question. No, 739 00:32:17.575 --> 00:32:21.335 no. Lemme tell you. We spoke, I spoke to, uh, uh, uh, 740 00:32:21.335 --> 00:32:25.015 Mike on this and I'll turn on Wes obviously go, Wes go. 741 00:32:25.285 --> 00:32:26.855 Yeah. I can touch base on it. 742 00:32:26.955 --> 00:32:31.895 So the, the second option is, 743 00:32:32.955 --> 00:32:36.855 um, a hybrid approach to the first one with the under. 744 00:32:37.155 --> 00:32:40.565 And the way it works direct purchase, um, 745 00:32:41.105 --> 00:32:45.285 is when a government enters into an agreement, 746 00:32:45.385 --> 00:32:49.005 and let's say it's an agreement for streetlights, 747 00:32:49.665 --> 00:32:52.605 and the agreement covers all sorts of tasks, 748 00:32:53.145 --> 00:32:55.605 the maintenance, the installation, and all of those things, 749 00:32:56.065 --> 00:32:58.205 but also covers the streetlights themselves 750 00:32:58.755 --> 00:33:02.485 when the CDD pays for that agreement, which, uh, 751 00:33:02.615 --> 00:33:03.925 would be the first option. 752 00:33:04.385 --> 00:33:08.765 The CDD, um, is just paying the contractor. 753 00:33:09.345 --> 00:33:11.405 And you're correct that there wouldn't be any taxes 754 00:33:12.225 --> 00:33:15.605 on the amount the, that the contractor charges you. 755 00:33:16.185 --> 00:33:19.565 But because the contractor would be purchasing the polls 756 00:33:20.265 --> 00:33:23.205 on the CD's behalf, the contractor 757 00:33:23.785 --> 00:33:26.285 is getting taxed on those polls 758 00:33:26.355 --> 00:33:28.285 because the contractor isn't entitled 759 00:33:28.665 --> 00:33:30.125 to an exemption from tax. 760 00:33:30.545 --> 00:33:33.325 So the CDD. So those taxes become part 761 00:33:33.325 --> 00:33:34.685 of the cost of that contract. 762 00:33:35.275 --> 00:33:38.525 What the second option does is it says, okay, 763 00:33:38.785 --> 00:33:40.525 you're gonna enter into that same agreement. 764 00:33:40.905 --> 00:33:44.365 You're gonna be afforded all those same services, except 765 00:33:44.465 --> 00:33:49.085 before the contractor, um, purchases the polls. 766 00:33:49.785 --> 00:33:54.005 It says to the district, here's my supplier for the polls, 767 00:33:54.465 --> 00:33:56.085 here's the cost of the polls, 768 00:33:56.505 --> 00:33:59.125 and I'm willing to do an amendment 769 00:33:59.345 --> 00:34:02.965 or a change order to my agreement to remove the cost 770 00:34:02.985 --> 00:34:04.125 of the polls in. 771 00:34:04.545 --> 00:34:06.925 So the, the, the amount that he's paying, 772 00:34:07.335 --> 00:34:11.005 which would include tax, would come out of the contract, 773 00:34:11.505 --> 00:34:14.685 and then the district would enter into a separate contract 774 00:34:16.005 --> 00:34:18.645 directly with the contractor's supplier, 775 00:34:19.465 --> 00:34:23.045 and the district would purchase those poles at the cost 776 00:34:23.045 --> 00:34:24.325 that the contractor paid. 777 00:34:24.435 --> 00:34:27.765 However, the district would not need to pay taxes. 778 00:34:28.325 --> 00:34:31.765 'cause when the district pays for materials directly, 779 00:34:32.305 --> 00:34:33.445 it is tax exempt. 780 00:34:33.985 --> 00:34:38.085 So it's essentially giving the district the option of 781 00:34:39.285 --> 00:34:43.485 removing the taxes for the materials 782 00:34:43.865 --> 00:34:47.845 by virtue of change, ordering those materials out 783 00:34:47.845 --> 00:34:49.205 of the original contract 784 00:34:49.825 --> 00:34:53.005 and contracting directly with the supplier. 785 00:34:53.545 --> 00:34:55.405 The reason why it's an option is 786 00:34:55.405 --> 00:34:58.285 because there's also some staff work for 787 00:34:58.285 --> 00:34:59.445 that process to take place. 788 00:35:00.065 --> 00:35:04.565 So if, if you have a contract that is, um, 789 00:35:05.145 --> 00:35:08.005 you know, if, if the tax savings aren't that great, 790 00:35:08.625 --> 00:35:10.805 and the process of working with the contractor 791 00:35:10.985 --> 00:35:12.685 to create the change order 792 00:35:12.745 --> 00:35:15.765 and to set up the process by which you are, um, 793 00:35:17.175 --> 00:35:21.925 purchasing the materials directly, uh, isn't going to, if, 794 00:35:21.945 --> 00:35:26.885 if the transactional cost of doing that are equal 795 00:35:26.885 --> 00:35:28.605 to or greater than the, the tax savings, 796 00:35:28.605 --> 00:35:30.165 because the tax savings aren't that great, 797 00:35:30.345 --> 00:35:31.365 you may not want to do it. 798 00:35:31.585 --> 00:35:34.285 But if the tax savings are fairly high, 799 00:35:34.285 --> 00:35:35.965 then it probably makes sense to do it. 800 00:35:36.265 --> 00:35:38.645 So option two is just giving you that ability 801 00:35:39.185 --> 00:35:42.045 to essentially enter into the contract, same one 802 00:35:42.045 --> 00:35:45.005 as option one, but then removing the materials 803 00:35:45.845 --> 00:35:48.205 contracting directly with the material provider so 804 00:35:48.205 --> 00:35:49.645 that way you don't need to pay the sales 805 00:35:49.665 --> 00:35:50.765 tax on those materials. 806 00:35:51.425 --> 00:35:53.605 But the, and I'm happy to answer any questions. Yes. 807 00:35:53.905 --> 00:35:57.565 Uh, items bought for resale 808 00:35:58.385 --> 00:36:00.325 are not subject to taxation, 809 00:36:02.065 --> 00:36:03.805 But if the contractor buys it. 810 00:36:03.825 --> 00:36:06.565 So if your contractor needs to 811 00:36:07.285 --> 00:36:09.605 purchase the materials from a material provider, 812 00:36:10.115 --> 00:36:11.845 your contractor's paying taxes 813 00:36:12.225 --> 00:36:14.205 and he's gonna pass those taxes on to you. 814 00:36:14.825 --> 00:36:19.325 So the only, when you pay your co when you pay your 815 00:36:19.325 --> 00:36:22.445 contractor, you pay sales tax rather, 816 00:36:22.445 --> 00:36:24.285 you're exempt from sales tax on 817 00:36:24.285 --> 00:36:25.445 what you pay your contractor, 818 00:36:25.985 --> 00:36:28.685 but he's not exempt from sales tax on the 819 00:36:28.685 --> 00:36:29.805 stuff that he buys for you. 820 00:36:30.425 --> 00:36:33.245 So what, what you're doing is you're removing the contractor 821 00:36:33.265 --> 00:36:35.725 as a middleman so you can contract directly 822 00:36:35.725 --> 00:36:36.925 for the materials, and 823 00:36:36.925 --> 00:36:38.485 that way you're not paying the sales tax 824 00:36:38.835 --> 00:36:41.205 that the contractor would otherwise need to pass on to you. 825 00:36:41.505 --> 00:36:44.165 Yes. But goods purchased specifically 826 00:36:44.225 --> 00:36:46.005 for resale are not taxable. 827 00:36:50.145 --> 00:36:53.445 The, i i the way 828 00:36:54.565 --> 00:36:58.125 construction contracts work in Florida, in, in my experience 829 00:36:58.195 --> 00:37:01.725 with working with CDs, uh, and maybe 830 00:37:01.725 --> 00:37:04.765 because it's not re maybe this isn't part of that law, 831 00:37:05.065 --> 00:37:08.605 but in my experience, contractors are subject 832 00:37:08.705 --> 00:37:13.605 to sales tax on materials that they're purchasing for use of 833 00:37:14.285 --> 00:37:15.525 constructing, uh, 834 00:37:16.235 --> 00:37:18.925 capital projects along the lines of what we're discussing. 835 00:37:19.385 --> 00:37:22.005 Um, otherwise we would not be recommending this. I agree. 836 00:37:22.145 --> 00:37:23.765 If what you're saying is accurate, um, 837 00:37:24.545 --> 00:37:26.805 but in my experience, so I, I don't want 838 00:37:26.805 --> 00:37:27.845 to say you're wrong, 839 00:37:28.025 --> 00:37:29.245 but in my experience, 840 00:37:29.755 --> 00:37:32.765 general contractors do pay taxes on the materials 841 00:37:32.955 --> 00:37:35.885 that they purchase for projects that they install 842 00:37:35.905 --> 00:37:38.125 and for CDs 843 00:37:38.125 --> 00:37:41.565 or o other entities with whom they do business. Uh, 844 00:37:41.725 --> 00:37:44.005 I got, I got a question, would this be a one-off? 845 00:37:44.255 --> 00:37:47.765 Would it only be for the initial, uh, 846 00:37:48.125 --> 00:37:49.205 purchase and installation? 847 00:37:49.385 --> 00:37:53.165 Or would this be something that would carry on the amendment 848 00:37:53.265 --> 00:37:56.765 and that throughout the entire life cycle of this contract? 849 00:37:57.555 --> 00:38:01.415 So let me, so the, in order to take advantage of it, the, 850 00:38:02.275 --> 00:38:07.215 the material sales entity needs to 851 00:38:07.905 --> 00:38:10.815 agree that it'll sell to the district, uh, 852 00:38:11.155 --> 00:38:15.295 the materials at the same price that the, um, contractor 853 00:38:15.915 --> 00:38:18.455 was going to purchase them, just minus the sales tax. 854 00:38:18.565 --> 00:38:20.935 Yeah. So my guess is that it's gonna be 855 00:38:20.935 --> 00:38:23.175 for the bulk purchase upfront. 856 00:38:23.175 --> 00:38:25.695 Mm-hmm. But like, if you need to replace a light pole 857 00:38:25.925 --> 00:38:27.615 because of inflation 858 00:38:27.875 --> 00:38:32.815 and cost changing that you're not gonna be able to guarantee 859 00:38:32.815 --> 00:38:35.135 that you're gonna get the light for that initial cost. 860 00:38:35.715 --> 00:38:38.405 Okay. Yeah, because I would not want to kind of like, 861 00:38:38.625 --> 00:38:41.405 tie into for the entire lifecycle of this. 862 00:38:41.765 --> 00:38:44.245 I mean, the one off would be, would be fine, but 863 00:38:44.845 --> 00:38:47.725 I think we, wes, uh, just, uh, I know, I don't mean 864 00:38:47.725 --> 00:38:49.165 to coin you with this question, 865 00:38:49.165 --> 00:38:53.405 but, uh, it seems like the option two, if the, 866 00:38:53.785 --> 00:38:56.725 if the tax savings, it's bigger than what it cost 867 00:38:56.865 --> 00:38:58.045 to do the other option, 868 00:38:58.045 --> 00:39:01.405 and I think it would be, I I'm sure from hip, um, 869 00:39:02.025 --> 00:39:03.725 that's the only, uh, negative. 870 00:39:03.725 --> 00:39:05.965 It sounds like the positive is, is 871 00:39:05.965 --> 00:39:10.725 that it most likely will be the tax savings will be, uh, in, 872 00:39:10.945 --> 00:39:12.965 in our benefit to go with option two. 873 00:39:12.985 --> 00:39:13.985 Am I correct? 874 00:39:15.345 --> 00:39:17.005 Yes. And I think the, 875 00:39:17.225 --> 00:39:19.565 the key point about it is it's an option. 876 00:39:19.705 --> 00:39:22.925 So the, the district doesn't have any obligation to choose 877 00:39:23.065 --> 00:39:26.445 to go with that, um, second choice either. 878 00:39:26.475 --> 00:39:27.645 It's just an alternative. 879 00:39:28.065 --> 00:39:30.525 So if you get the prices, 880 00:39:30.745 --> 00:39:34.325 so I think the way this RFP is drafted, 881 00:39:34.595 --> 00:39:38.325 it's saying give us your full price where we may choose not 882 00:39:38.325 --> 00:39:39.805 to take advantage of direct purchase. 883 00:39:39.835 --> 00:39:44.125 Okay. But also tell us, you know, what your price is 884 00:39:44.125 --> 00:39:45.205 for your materials and, 885 00:39:45.225 --> 00:39:48.405 and sort of use as a board can then do the analysis 886 00:39:48.865 --> 00:39:50.285 of whether you want to take advantage 887 00:39:50.305 --> 00:39:51.845 of alternative number one or not. 888 00:39:53.065 --> 00:39:55.565 My comment was gonna be that if we don't ask the question, 889 00:39:55.585 --> 00:39:58.885 we don't have any way to, uh, evaluate the answer. 890 00:39:59.345 --> 00:40:01.365 It doesn't cost us anything to put it in there. 891 00:40:02.065 --> 00:40:04.885 And if it, if in fact it comes through 892 00:40:04.885 --> 00:40:06.405 that Steve's correct, yes. 893 00:40:06.515 --> 00:40:11.365 That there was no, no taxes, um, then it's, 894 00:40:11.465 --> 00:40:12.845 we don't do anything with that. 895 00:40:12.905 --> 00:40:15.125 We just go with one. But on the other hand, 896 00:40:15.865 --> 00:40:19.005 if Wes is correct that in Florida that's how that works, 897 00:40:19.275 --> 00:40:21.205 then we have the potential to save money. 898 00:40:21.505 --> 00:40:23.485 But again, what's the emotional cost? 899 00:40:23.485 --> 00:40:24.965 What's the extraneous cost? 900 00:40:25.465 --> 00:40:27.885 You know, if we wind up saving a buck, then it's, 901 00:40:27.885 --> 00:40:29.005 you know, we would not go with that. 902 00:40:29.105 --> 00:40:30.445 But because it's an auction 903 00:40:30.445 --> 00:40:33.245 Beautiful, It doesn't cost them anymore to create 904 00:40:33.275 --> 00:40:35.325 that contract because here's everything. 905 00:40:35.325 --> 00:40:36.485 And then this would be the price. 906 00:40:37.165 --> 00:40:38.645 I, I gotta assume the contractor, 907 00:40:38.715 --> 00:40:41.805 whoever responding on the RP pretty well knows Yes. 908 00:40:41.955 --> 00:40:43.725 What is right permissible 909 00:40:43.725 --> 00:40:45.605 and what isn't. I would think Correct. 910 00:40:45.605 --> 00:40:47.805 And They, that Steve was right then 911 00:40:48.195 --> 00:40:49.725 that would be kind of a moot point if 912 00:40:49.725 --> 00:40:50.725 They come back. But it doesn't cost 913 00:40:50.725 --> 00:40:51.525 us anything to put it in 914 00:40:51.525 --> 00:40:52.685 There. No, absolutely not. 915 00:40:53.145 --> 00:40:55.405 You get a, can you get a confirmation on that 916 00:40:55.405 --> 00:40:58.445 with Steve saying if, if it is or isn't? Well, 917 00:40:58.555 --> 00:41:01.405 Yeah, and, and I, I think maybe the, I don't know 918 00:41:01.475 --> 00:41:04.685 that when a contractor purchases materials 919 00:41:04.785 --> 00:41:08.885 for installation on a project, that the installation 920 00:41:08.885 --> 00:41:12.045 of those materials on the project are considered resale 921 00:41:13.065 --> 00:41:17.045 as opposed to like, uh, materials supplier 922 00:41:17.425 --> 00:41:20.925 who purchases their materials from, you know, a manufacturer 923 00:41:21.145 --> 00:41:24.565 and then them when the material supplier purchased those, 924 00:41:24.565 --> 00:41:26.805 those may not be subject to sales tax 925 00:41:26.955 --> 00:41:30.445 because they're reselling those materials sort 926 00:41:30.445 --> 00:41:34.765 of in the exact same, uh, condition that they were in. 927 00:41:35.145 --> 00:41:38.725 But when a contractor purchases materials with expectation 928 00:41:38.725 --> 00:41:41.805 that it's then gonna incorporate those materials into a 929 00:41:41.805 --> 00:41:45.125 project on behalf of a customer, uh, I, 930 00:41:45.285 --> 00:41:46.365 I think the distinction is 931 00:41:46.365 --> 00:41:47.885 that's not necessarily considered just 932 00:41:48.445 --> 00:41:49.565 resale of those materials. 933 00:41:49.665 --> 00:41:53.605 The CDD is gonna pay the contractor a fee for 934 00:41:54.345 --> 00:41:56.445 the project, the installation and everything else. 935 00:41:57.145 --> 00:41:58.565 And part of that project is the 936 00:41:58.565 --> 00:41:59.645 installation of the materials. 937 00:41:59.665 --> 00:42:03.045 So, um, like I said, I, I will make absolutely certain. 938 00:42:03.625 --> 00:42:06.685 Um, but um, in my experience, that's always been the case 939 00:42:06.685 --> 00:42:10.325 that general contractors are paying the sales tax on the 940 00:42:10.525 --> 00:42:12.325 materials that they're incorporating into the project 941 00:42:12.955 --> 00:42:15.045 that they're doing on a CD's behalf. Okay. 942 00:42:15.145 --> 00:42:16.725 So just to jump in, I know Ms. 943 00:42:16.885 --> 00:42:19.445 Shar wants to speak as your purchasing director, 944 00:42:19.445 --> 00:42:21.445 but we have done the direct purchase in the past. 945 00:42:21.595 --> 00:42:23.125 I'll give you a couple examples. 946 00:42:23.825 --> 00:42:26.245 Uh, for large capital projects where we've had 947 00:42:26.245 --> 00:42:29.605 to replace HPAC units at, uh, the recreation centers, 948 00:42:29.655 --> 00:42:31.365 we've done direct purchase on the equipment. 949 00:42:31.945 --> 00:42:33.725 Uh, typically those are long lead time. 950 00:42:34.075 --> 00:42:36.205 Also the, uh, advanced meter project, 951 00:42:36.215 --> 00:42:37.245 which we have underway. 952 00:42:37.985 --> 00:42:40.925 Uh, we hired a contractor to do all the installation work, 953 00:42:40.985 --> 00:42:43.325 but we're buying the meters direct from the manufacturer. 954 00:42:43.835 --> 00:42:46.605 Another example is the Nova Sports product 955 00:42:47.105 --> 00:42:48.925 for the sports courts resurfacing, 956 00:42:49.425 --> 00:42:52.805 we buy the product direct from the manufacturer, uh, 957 00:42:53.105 --> 00:42:56.245 to avoid the sales packs tax versus going 958 00:42:56.245 --> 00:42:59.005 through the reseller who would, uh, do that. 959 00:42:59.115 --> 00:43:01.965 Also, you'll, you'll typically pay markup when you're buying 960 00:43:01.965 --> 00:43:03.445 it through the manufacturer, but, 961 00:43:03.585 --> 00:43:07.845 but it is, I, I agree with, uh, your attorney's, uh, opinion 962 00:43:08.035 --> 00:43:09.925 that, that it is not resale. 963 00:43:10.055 --> 00:43:11.125 We've historically 964 00:43:11.395 --> 00:43:13.245 that tax will be embedded in there, but Ms. 965 00:43:13.325 --> 00:43:15.685 Shar can probably shed some better light on it. 966 00:43:16.395 --> 00:43:19.165 Good morning. Um, Melissa Shar purchasing. Yes. 967 00:43:19.185 --> 00:43:20.845 Uh, what Mr. Brown said is true. 968 00:43:20.845 --> 00:43:22.165 Those are some really good examples of 969 00:43:22.165 --> 00:43:23.805 where we do direct purchase. 970 00:43:24.105 --> 00:43:26.805 Um, you also have to take in the risk of, you know, 971 00:43:26.805 --> 00:43:27.885 direct purchasing too. 972 00:43:27.945 --> 00:43:30.565 We own that. You know, if it's in shipment mode 973 00:43:30.585 --> 00:43:32.805 and uh, the car got an accident 974 00:43:32.805 --> 00:43:34.645 or something, we, we have to take that liability 975 00:43:34.675 --> 00:43:37.365 that we own, that we need to pay to replace that equipment, 976 00:43:37.565 --> 00:43:40.165 whatever, um, that, so maybe more insurance that we need 977 00:43:40.165 --> 00:43:41.285 to get, um, 978 00:43:41.285 --> 00:43:44.005 where the contractor would be liable for everything. 979 00:43:44.005 --> 00:43:47.365 Storage, everything, um, turnkey, basically job. 980 00:43:47.785 --> 00:43:49.045 Uh, and then also what Mr. 981 00:43:49.345 --> 00:43:51.365 Uh, brown has stated is the markup. 982 00:43:51.865 --> 00:43:54.965 So if on the alternate side, if we go with the contractor 983 00:43:55.025 --> 00:43:57.405 to purchase the poles, they are gonna most likely put, 984 00:43:57.445 --> 00:44:01.125 I would say 10 to 20% markup on each pole. 985 00:44:01.265 --> 00:44:03.405 So we would be saving a direct purchase of taxes 986 00:44:03.945 --> 00:44:06.765 and that 10 to 20% markup as well. 987 00:44:07.545 --> 00:44:10.005 So there's two ways to, to weigh it out, 988 00:44:10.265 --> 00:44:11.765 but the markup made a difference too. 989 00:44:11.985 --> 00:44:13.405 You just bringing that up. Yeah, 990 00:44:13.635 --> 00:44:14.845 that is, that is almost, yeah. 991 00:44:15.185 --> 00:44:16.485 Be more than what the taxes would be. 992 00:44:16.825 --> 00:44:20.005 And we won't know if we don't specifically add that. 993 00:44:20.305 --> 00:44:22.685 Yes, yes. And I agree with that too. 994 00:44:23.385 --> 00:44:25.565 Not to remove it and to keep it in for just 995 00:44:25.565 --> 00:44:26.605 to find, you can't lose. 996 00:44:26.945 --> 00:44:30.005 But we have to disclose that that is a option 997 00:44:30.005 --> 00:44:31.810 that we're looking into for the contractors. 998 00:44:32.025 --> 00:44:36.125 Yep. And, um, as far as tax exempt for resale, that is true 999 00:44:36.355 --> 00:44:37.485 that we can do that, 1000 00:44:37.665 --> 00:44:40.125 but I don't think in construction 1001 00:44:40.395 --> 00:44:42.725 that it would come into play as far 1002 00:44:42.725 --> 00:44:44.245 as maybe it might be legal to do that, 1003 00:44:44.265 --> 00:44:45.725 but I don't know if you're gonna get a response 1004 00:44:46.595 --> 00:44:49.565 from contractors, um, knowing that Oh, okay. 1005 00:44:49.565 --> 00:44:51.005 We're gonna have to, I mean, they're gonna lose a lot 1006 00:44:51.005 --> 00:44:54.565 of money, um, stating that they're gonna buy that for us 1007 00:44:54.635 --> 00:44:57.165 with no taxes and that would only pay any markup. 1008 00:44:57.165 --> 00:44:58.605 But we want to do everything else with it. 1009 00:44:59.185 --> 00:45:02.725 So we'll see. So again, like, like, um, supervisor 1010 00:45:03.975 --> 00:45:06.685 Rutherford said it's an option. 1011 00:45:06.825 --> 00:45:08.365 So, you know, the, the, uh, 1012 00:45:08.365 --> 00:45:11.165 the way the RFP is crafted is they have to bid on the poll, 1013 00:45:11.825 --> 00:45:15.285 you know, all in, but they have the option to, to, 1014 00:45:15.425 --> 00:45:16.445 to provide costs 1015 00:45:16.545 --> 00:45:18.365 or not provide 'em on option one, 1016 00:45:18.475 --> 00:45:20.565 whether we direct purchase the polls or not. 1017 00:45:20.885 --> 00:45:23.405 'cause some, as, as Ms. Shar said it, you know, 1018 00:45:23.905 --> 00:45:26.005 it does cut into their overall profits 1019 00:45:26.005 --> 00:45:30.245 and the overall, um, you know, project cost. 1020 00:45:30.825 --> 00:45:33.365 So they would have to factor that in and back that out and, 1021 00:45:33.385 --> 00:45:35.525 and typically they might get up somewhere else, but 1022 00:45:35.625 --> 00:45:36.625 Uh mm-hmm. 1023 00:45:36.715 --> 00:45:38.645 It's an option they can choose to bid or not bid, 1024 00:45:39.345 --> 00:45:40.365 and then you have the information 1025 00:45:40.365 --> 00:45:42.605 to make educated decisions on. Yeah. 1026 00:45:43.115 --> 00:45:46.765 Okay. So I think we're up to do, uh, let's decide, 1027 00:45:46.765 --> 00:45:48.885 do we stay where we go with option one and option two? 1028 00:45:49.705 --> 00:45:52.765 Is that where we're at? I think so. Wanna make a decision 1029 00:45:52.765 --> 00:45:53.765 On that. Okay. And there's also a question 1030 00:45:53.765 --> 00:45:54.565 on option. 1031 00:45:55.195 --> 00:45:58.405 Alright, so it was A B and C. Yeah. 1032 00:45:58.425 --> 00:46:02.085 And on the next page it was also, uh, to remove it. 1033 00:46:02.265 --> 00:46:03.645 Any other solution? A system 1034 00:46:03.725 --> 00:46:05.925 that the proposal would like the district to consider. 1035 00:46:05.985 --> 00:46:08.405 Mm-hmm. There may be things happening so fast 1036 00:46:08.405 --> 00:46:11.685 that we don't know, and if we don't give them an option 1037 00:46:11.745 --> 00:46:14.085 to offer us this third alternative, 1038 00:46:14.185 --> 00:46:15.205 we won't know about that either. 1039 00:46:15.455 --> 00:46:20.125 Great. So as long as we're getting the full design start, 1040 00:46:20.385 --> 00:46:22.005 and then they can choose whether 1041 00:46:22.005 --> 00:46:23.685 or not they want to add alternatives, 1042 00:46:23.825 --> 00:46:25.565 it doesn't cost us anything to do that. 1043 00:46:25.585 --> 00:46:30.205 Mm-hmm. And I think that, you know, again, things change 1044 00:46:30.345 --> 00:46:33.885 so fast in this world that something might come up 1045 00:46:33.885 --> 00:46:35.525 and they can say, okay, well we are just, 1046 00:46:35.675 --> 00:46:38.965 this technology is, you know, different for this way. 1047 00:46:39.225 --> 00:46:41.805 And so I would think that we would just leave it in. 1048 00:46:41.805 --> 00:46:42.885 It doesn't cost us anything. 1049 00:46:44.035 --> 00:46:47.125 Yeah. I, I think so too, because I don't have any idea, 1050 00:46:47.265 --> 00:46:51.365 but I'm thinking the bulk of the cost in this thing is going 1051 00:46:51.365 --> 00:46:53.765 to be the labor, not the material. 1052 00:46:53.955 --> 00:46:58.205 Yeah. So I don't know if we're chasing, uh, you know, 10% 1053 00:46:58.205 --> 00:47:01.205 of the cost, uh, in materials 1054 00:47:01.205 --> 00:47:02.445 because it just seems 1055 00:47:02.445 --> 00:47:05.845 to me this is incredibly labor intense when you think about 1056 00:47:05.985 --> 00:47:07.725 all the things they have to do. 1057 00:47:09.385 --> 00:47:11.845 And just our little experience with, uh, quantum 1058 00:47:11.895 --> 00:47:15.565 where things got messed up alongside, there's gonna be 1059 00:47:15.875 --> 00:47:18.405 that same issue with these poles coming out. 1060 00:47:18.945 --> 00:47:22.045 Um, you know, trees and sidewalks 1061 00:47:22.045 --> 00:47:25.125 and other kinds of, not sidewalks, you know, street. 1062 00:47:25.395 --> 00:47:28.245 There's all kinds of things that are gonna be also 1063 00:47:29.465 --> 00:47:30.465 In there. An RFP 1064 00:47:30.465 --> 00:47:32.325 needs to be specific. Yeah. 1065 00:47:32.425 --> 00:47:33.445 You know, don't, don't tell. 1066 00:47:33.445 --> 00:47:35.645 Well, gee, we'd like to you tell us 1067 00:47:35.645 --> 00:47:37.845 what you think we should have you, that 1068 00:47:38.195 --> 00:47:39.565 that doesn't work in an RFP. 1069 00:47:39.565 --> 00:47:42.165 We need to be specific to what we want. Now. 1070 00:47:42.165 --> 00:47:45.485 If we want to do the option between, uh, being able to go 1071 00:47:45.485 --> 00:47:48.165 and purchase or having them do it, 1072 00:47:50.155 --> 00:47:51.455 it doesn't hurt to leave it in. 1073 00:47:51.865 --> 00:47:53.095 Right. So that's fine. 1074 00:47:53.595 --> 00:47:55.775 But to leave a blank slate in there 1075 00:47:55.795 --> 00:47:58.815 and then work when that submission comes, 1076 00:47:59.325 --> 00:48:00.895 then we're gonna have to decide, well, 1077 00:48:01.125 --> 00:48:02.175 yeah, maybe that'll work. 1078 00:48:03.315 --> 00:48:05.215 Or we're gonna have to run an engineering study 1079 00:48:05.275 --> 00:48:07.575 to see if that'll be acceptable. 1080 00:48:08.555 --> 00:48:11.095 No, I, that part I think needs to go out. 1081 00:48:12.105 --> 00:48:15.345 RP needs to be specific what we want 1082 00:48:16.125 --> 00:48:17.825 so the contractor can bid on. 1083 00:48:20.815 --> 00:48:23.835 Why did you guys add, uh, alternate, alternate fee? 1084 00:48:25.075 --> 00:48:26.755 I think it's be because of what you said. 1085 00:48:26.755 --> 00:48:27.835 We don't know what is out there. 1086 00:48:27.835 --> 00:48:30.355 There could be new innovative ways to do things. 1087 00:48:30.775 --> 00:48:31.915 We do have a deviations 1088 00:48:31.935 --> 00:48:34.315 and exceptions page, which is a standard form in all 1089 00:48:34.315 --> 00:48:38.995 of our bids and RFPs that gives any contractor a option 1090 00:48:39.095 --> 00:48:42.915 to change the scope and explain why they want to do that. 1091 00:48:43.535 --> 00:48:47.315 Um, or a bid alternately, but they're taking a risk. 1092 00:48:47.835 --> 00:48:50.275 'cause usually we know exactly what we want. 1093 00:48:50.655 --> 00:48:52.595 Um, and if they know no, no, we know what we want. 1094 00:48:52.845 --> 00:48:54.515 We're just trying to figure out the best way to get 1095 00:48:54.515 --> 00:48:55.875 that price down. 1096 00:48:58.375 --> 00:49:02.875 So I, I think that I, I understand an RFP has 1097 00:49:02.875 --> 00:49:04.635 to be specific, having written them for the Fed. 1098 00:49:04.855 --> 00:49:05.875 Mm-hmm. God knows. 1099 00:49:06.295 --> 00:49:09.875 Um, but I think that we don't know 1100 00:49:09.875 --> 00:49:11.315 what other solutions have there. 1101 00:49:11.975 --> 00:49:15.675 And giving them an opportunity to say, this is cutting edge. 1102 00:49:16.015 --> 00:49:17.555 We may not wanna be on the bleeding edge 1103 00:49:17.555 --> 00:49:19.115 and we just might say, thank you very much, 1104 00:49:19.255 --> 00:49:20.835 but we'll go with what we know. 1105 00:49:21.355 --> 00:49:23.275 I agree. I think being Pacific, I wrote too. 1106 00:49:23.275 --> 00:49:25.835 You're right about that. You're really, you're right. 1107 00:49:25.835 --> 00:49:28.275 But that's the problem. We don't know what we really want. 1108 00:49:28.455 --> 00:49:30.395 See that's the problem. So we're looking for them 1109 00:49:30.415 --> 00:49:31.555 to give us information. 1110 00:49:31.815 --> 00:49:33.235 And you're right, we get too Pacific. 1111 00:49:33.565 --> 00:49:34.755 We're gonna have less bids 1112 00:49:35.015 --> 00:49:36.955 and that gives us less information. 1113 00:49:37.495 --> 00:49:39.515 And that's not the purpose of what we're doing. 1114 00:49:39.895 --> 00:49:42.235 Uh, I You're both right. You're both, you know. 1115 00:49:42.455 --> 00:49:43.515 But I think at this point, 1116 00:49:43.515 --> 00:49:44.995 because we don't know what the hell we want, 1117 00:49:45.675 --> 00:49:47.355 I think we do want them to, to, 1118 00:49:47.385 --> 00:49:49.595 Well, what we want is the best price for our clients. 1119 00:49:49.625 --> 00:49:52.475 Yeah. And it, it might be staying with what we are. Yeah. 1120 00:49:52.495 --> 00:49:55.635 And, and the RFP writer in me is looking at that, 1121 00:49:55.815 --> 00:49:57.515 seeing going, what? 1122 00:49:57.705 --> 00:49:59.555 Yeah. But then it's cutting. 1123 00:49:59.685 --> 00:50:01.715 We're on, we're on the leading edge here. Yeah. 1124 00:50:01.775 --> 00:50:03.515 You know, we Just don't wanna be in the bleeding edge. 1125 00:50:03.545 --> 00:50:05.155 Yeah. We need information from them too. 1126 00:50:05.255 --> 00:50:06.675 And that's what we're looking for. Yeah. 1127 00:50:07.415 --> 00:50:09.635 So, yeah, Jerry, I was gonna say, I, 1128 00:50:09.715 --> 00:50:12.555 I think this is gonna be a multi-step process when you send 1129 00:50:12.555 --> 00:50:14.875 this RFP out, it's gonna come back, 1130 00:50:15.105 --> 00:50:18.075 it's gonna create a lot more questions that we didn't know 1131 00:50:18.075 --> 00:50:19.155 to ask or think about. 1132 00:50:19.375 --> 00:50:20.395 Yes. And, and, 1133 00:50:20.415 --> 00:50:23.355 and a revised RFP in my opinion, is gonna have 1134 00:50:23.355 --> 00:50:27.155 to be constructed to get it better defined. 1135 00:50:27.485 --> 00:50:32.165 I I just don't see how you can do this on one, uh, suite. 1136 00:50:32.475 --> 00:50:34.605 Yeah. That's almost a given. Yeah. 1137 00:50:34.905 --> 00:50:37.365 And then I had a couple other questions I wanted 1138 00:50:37.365 --> 00:50:38.365 to bring up here, please. 1139 00:50:38.825 --> 00:50:40.325 One of them, I read through it 1140 00:50:40.385 --> 00:50:44.645 and I didn't see anything spelled out real clearly about 1141 00:50:45.365 --> 00:50:47.045 software in, in my view, 1142 00:50:47.185 --> 00:50:50.845 the world moves on software now everything is software 1143 00:50:50.845 --> 00:50:54.165 driven and I don't see where anything's in here. 1144 00:50:54.225 --> 00:50:56.445 And to be a little more specific, that one vendor 1145 00:50:56.445 --> 00:50:58.125 that came in here, he talked about 1146 00:50:58.125 --> 00:50:59.885 how these lights have timers on it. 1147 00:50:59.885 --> 00:51:02.605 And we talked about daylight savings, daylight savings up, 1148 00:51:03.305 --> 00:51:05.125 you know, coming up again as an issue. 1149 00:51:05.625 --> 00:51:08.205 And I, I, I don't see where the software, 1150 00:51:10.085 --> 00:51:11.885 I don't see anything real specific to say 1151 00:51:11.885 --> 00:51:13.125 that you're gonna keep the software 1152 00:51:13.355 --> 00:51:15.685 because, you know, software companies, they merge, 1153 00:51:15.685 --> 00:51:17.205 they buy, they change. 1154 00:51:17.945 --> 00:51:19.445 And this is a long term deal. 1155 00:51:19.635 --> 00:51:21.845 It's not gonna stay flat for very long. 1156 00:51:22.825 --> 00:51:24.405 So am I missing that? 1157 00:51:25.305 --> 00:51:27.445 Uh, I did not see anything with software in there 1158 00:51:28.065 --> 00:51:31.045 At, because I that, so that, that's a key component 1159 00:51:31.065 --> 00:51:34.925 to this thing is that the software, the, the other one that, 1160 00:51:35.625 --> 00:51:36.925 um, I didn't see anything on, 1161 00:51:36.925 --> 00:51:40.525 and maybe it's premature, is what happens if this company 1162 00:51:41.265 --> 00:51:44.205 that's warranting this stuff gets bought, sold, 1163 00:51:44.205 --> 00:51:48.365 or goes out of business, where's who picks up the ball? 1164 00:51:50.225 --> 00:51:51.835 That happens every day in this world, 1165 00:51:52.245 --> 00:51:53.395 especially with software. 1166 00:51:53.515 --> 00:51:55.635 I agree. Well, I'm not talking just the software 1167 00:51:56.275 --> 00:51:59.115 software's one, but I'm talking all, all the, the rest 1168 00:51:59.115 --> 00:52:01.035 of it, they, they install it all 1169 00:52:01.035 --> 00:52:04.075 and then it turns out that, uh, the feds changed the rules 1170 00:52:04.215 --> 00:52:06.715 or it turns out they did a bad install, 1171 00:52:06.715 --> 00:52:10.155 they got bad component or something and they warranty it, 1172 00:52:10.255 --> 00:52:11.755 but now they're gone. 1173 00:52:13.375 --> 00:52:14.955 So who's gonna pick up that? 1174 00:52:15.355 --> 00:52:18.355 I mean, we'll inherit those costs if we don't have any 1175 00:52:18.355 --> 00:52:19.635 protection and I don't know 1176 00:52:19.635 --> 00:52:20.995 how we can really protect about all that. 1177 00:52:20.995 --> 00:52:23.155 Yeah. We could put a performance bond in there 1178 00:52:23.415 --> 00:52:25.395 to help protect that and then also make sure 1179 00:52:25.395 --> 00:52:28.235 that the actual agreement has language in there, 1180 00:52:28.235 --> 00:52:31.075 which our legal team would look at before we executed that. 1181 00:52:32.145 --> 00:52:33.195 Yeah. Yeah. We could. Yeah. 1182 00:52:33.195 --> 00:52:35.395 Again, legal would look at that, uh, wrote 1183 00:52:35.395 --> 00:52:37.355 that question down so we can highlight it. 1184 00:52:37.555 --> 00:52:39.715 'cause it is different than some of our other agreements. 1185 00:52:40.215 --> 00:52:41.955 Now, again, with saying that, you know, 1186 00:52:41.955 --> 00:52:44.475 getting the best price, now we're doing an RFP, 1187 00:52:44.475 --> 00:52:45.755 so it's not about the best price, 1188 00:52:45.945 --> 00:52:47.315 it's gonna be about the best value. 1189 00:52:47.615 --> 00:52:50.635 So you could very well be paying, you know, get five people 1190 00:52:50.655 --> 00:52:54.195 who submit and paying the fifth highest one for it. 1191 00:52:55.035 --> 00:52:57.555 I totally understand that. And I'm not the proponent 1192 00:52:57.555 --> 00:52:58.635 of take the cheapest bid 1193 00:52:58.635 --> 00:53:00.475 because that's not the best bid necessarily. 1194 00:53:01.155 --> 00:53:03.035 I get that. But we won't have any of 1195 00:53:03.035 --> 00:53:05.195 that information if we don't ask the question. 1196 00:53:06.055 --> 00:53:09.075 Now with doing the RFP, having a selection committee 1197 00:53:09.335 --> 00:53:12.355 and they choose somebody, they choose someone 1198 00:53:12.575 --> 00:53:16.995 who is the option submitting the option as the highest. 1199 00:53:17.505 --> 00:53:21.395 I'll be bringing that back to you for intent to award. 1200 00:53:21.455 --> 00:53:22.475 No intent to award. 1201 00:53:22.745 --> 00:53:25.075 Because this is an RFP within saying 1202 00:53:25.155 --> 00:53:26.445 it's a two phase process. 1203 00:53:26.615 --> 00:53:28.565 Right. That would be more like an RFQ. 1204 00:53:28.875 --> 00:53:31.485 We'd get qualifications and not pricing. Yeah. 1205 00:53:31.545 --> 00:53:33.125 And I bring that to you and then want 1206 00:53:33.125 --> 00:53:34.845 to get the most qualified, get the pricing 1207 00:53:34.915 --> 00:53:35.965 with that. Because 1208 00:53:36.065 --> 00:53:37.485 We don't, we don't want an RFP. 1209 00:53:37.835 --> 00:53:39.525 Exactly. Exactly. I'm just saying as far 1210 00:53:39.525 --> 00:53:41.325 as the two phase process, 1211 00:53:41.795 --> 00:53:42.965 that that would not come into play. 1212 00:53:43.075 --> 00:53:45.925 That was the one that the selection committee chose. 1213 00:53:46.035 --> 00:53:50.805 Correct. And we would go, well, according to the criteria, 1214 00:53:50.805 --> 00:53:53.605 which in here you are approving as well, the scoring 1215 00:53:53.605 --> 00:53:54.605 Report. If they've 1216 00:53:54.605 --> 00:53:55.485 met the criteria 1217 00:53:56.665 --> 00:53:59.525 and they've met all of the other standards of any company 1218 00:54:00.315 --> 00:54:01.885 that are also included 1219 00:54:02.185 --> 00:54:04.125 and they can meet the bond, you know, all those things. 1220 00:54:04.225 --> 00:54:06.885 That's, that's fine. I'm not looking at a second. RFP. 1221 00:54:07.035 --> 00:54:11.285 This is what I, what his comment about, uh, uh, 1222 00:54:12.475 --> 00:54:15.645 reverse review, uh, updated RFP. 1223 00:54:15.645 --> 00:54:18.805 Mm-hmm. My question that brought up in my head is we used 1224 00:54:18.805 --> 00:54:20.045 to have bidder's conferences. 1225 00:54:20.665 --> 00:54:22.165 So once the RFP went out, 1226 00:54:23.505 --> 00:54:25.205 we would schedule a meeting mm-hmm. 1227 00:54:25.305 --> 00:54:27.685 For all potential bidders to come 1228 00:54:27.685 --> 00:54:28.845 and ask all their questions. 1229 00:54:28.985 --> 00:54:31.045 So everybody hears the same questions 1230 00:54:31.105 --> 00:54:32.725 and everybody hears the same answers. 1231 00:54:32.955 --> 00:54:35.005 Correct. Correct. And I'm gathering that 1232 00:54:35.005 --> 00:54:36.565 that happens. That does happen. 1233 00:54:36.865 --> 00:54:38.485 And we put on an addendum, um, 1234 00:54:38.485 --> 00:54:40.285 where we have 'em written the questions 1235 00:54:40.385 --> 00:54:41.805 and the answers, so they become a part 1236 00:54:41.985 --> 00:54:43.685 of the RP If a scope were to change 1237 00:54:43.685 --> 00:54:44.925 before a submittals were. 1238 00:54:45.305 --> 00:54:48.925 So my question is, um, during this process, 1239 00:54:49.385 --> 00:54:52.525 can we see their questions and answers to mm-hmm. 1240 00:54:53.915 --> 00:54:55.125 It's probably not your normal, 1241 00:54:55.235 --> 00:54:56.235 Typically. It's not. 1242 00:54:56.235 --> 00:54:57.405 No. I 1243 00:54:57.405 --> 00:55:00.285 Think That, uh, this board will have a member on 1244 00:55:00.285 --> 00:55:01.725 that, uh, select committee. 1245 00:55:03.025 --> 00:55:04.365 Not, no, not usually. We're 1246 00:55:04.365 --> 00:55:05.765 Dealing with, well, we're dealing 1247 00:55:05.765 --> 00:55:09.525 with strictly history seven items and we brought this board 1248 00:55:09.545 --> 00:55:11.405 before and so 1249 00:55:12.285 --> 00:55:15.295 this board shall have someone on that committee. 1250 00:55:15.885 --> 00:55:17.615 Well, we haven't established that yet. 1251 00:55:17.635 --> 00:55:22.495 We, no, we never established that yet. That's, yeah. Okay. 1252 00:55:22.915 --> 00:55:24.255 I'm just, I just wanted to make sure 1253 00:55:24.255 --> 00:55:25.695 that FIT conferences occur. 1254 00:55:26.045 --> 00:55:28.255 They do. Yes. Uh, while we're waiting 1255 00:55:28.255 --> 00:55:30.455 around in this evaluation criteria, 1256 00:55:30.515 --> 00:55:31.775 got, I got a couple questions. 1257 00:55:33.875 --> 00:55:35.135 The factor six 1258 00:55:35.215 --> 00:55:38.135 and seven, we, it seems to me that we, 1259 00:55:38.285 --> 00:55:40.815 there's 10 points associated with each of those, 1260 00:55:41.595 --> 00:55:43.015 but they're not even mandatory. 1261 00:55:43.435 --> 00:55:44.975 Is that, am I missing something 1262 00:55:44.975 --> 00:55:45.975 There? Yeah, no, I, I 1263 00:55:45.975 --> 00:55:47.895 brought that up too, and I had reviewed it 1264 00:55:47.895 --> 00:55:49.175 because it's almost like if you don't, 1265 00:55:49.175 --> 00:55:51.935 even though you don't have to bid on option two, 1266 00:55:52.155 --> 00:55:53.575 you're gonna lose 10 points. 1267 00:55:53.575 --> 00:55:55.815 Yeah. And, you know, so we're, 1268 00:55:55.815 --> 00:55:57.095 we're trying to work that one out. 1269 00:55:57.095 --> 00:56:00.415 Well, well, that was, as Shar said, that was noted. 1270 00:56:00.435 --> 00:56:02.255 And we will adjust that. Okay. 1271 00:56:02.255 --> 00:56:04.935 They'll be a, they'll, we need to do another refinement 1272 00:56:04.935 --> 00:56:07.415 to go through and make sure on the, you know, the RFP 1273 00:56:07.415 --> 00:56:09.335 to make sure we get a, a good clean copy 1274 00:56:10.355 --> 00:56:11.615 or gets put out to bid. 1275 00:56:11.675 --> 00:56:16.095 One other thing I do want to ask the board to consider 1276 00:56:16.635 --> 00:56:20.535 and give us direction on, if we put this RFP out 1277 00:56:20.555 --> 00:56:23.485 for X number of polls that District seven has, 1278 00:56:23.485 --> 00:56:24.725 you'll, you'll get a price. 1279 00:56:24.985 --> 00:56:27.085 We kind of talked about that economy of scale thing. 1280 00:56:27.825 --> 00:56:30.525 If we were to share this 1281 00:56:30.555 --> 00:56:32.725 with the other boards at their next meeting 1282 00:56:32.825 --> 00:56:36.365 and ask them, are they interested in going in on this RFP 1283 00:56:36.365 --> 00:56:40.725 upfront, you might get a much larger, uh, number of polls 1284 00:56:40.865 --> 00:56:42.445 and districts participating 1285 00:56:42.445 --> 00:56:44.565 and thus a larger economy of scale. 1286 00:56:45.105 --> 00:56:48.005 So that, that would delay the RFP going out a little bit 1287 00:56:48.005 --> 00:56:49.165 for the other boards to decide. 1288 00:56:49.185 --> 00:56:53.005 But it also might yield larger savings if all 1289 00:56:53.005 --> 00:56:54.485 of the CDD say, yes, 1290 00:56:54.545 --> 00:56:56.005 we wanna all participate in this process. 1291 00:56:56.345 --> 00:56:57.405 So just something to think about 1292 00:56:57.505 --> 00:56:59.725 and you can give us direction on that. One 1293 00:56:59.725 --> 00:57:02.525 Of my notes that I wrote on this is I didn't see anything 1294 00:57:02.545 --> 00:57:05.285 in here that talked about scalability, that, um, 1295 00:57:06.165 --> 00:57:09.485 'cause I know when, um, we had the presentation, 1296 00:57:09.905 --> 00:57:12.445 the question was asked if we had more districts with 1297 00:57:12.445 --> 00:57:14.565 that change of price, and they said yes, 1298 00:57:15.025 --> 00:57:16.365 but we haven't asked that. 1299 00:57:16.465 --> 00:57:17.465 In here. 1300 00:57:18.385 --> 00:57:20.605 We have not. So we are bidding this out 1301 00:57:20.605 --> 00:57:23.685 or doing a RFP specifically for your district. 1302 00:57:23.865 --> 00:57:26.885 So I can't promise them that any other pools are an option. 1303 00:57:27.305 --> 00:57:28.405 If more people are interested, 1304 00:57:28.465 --> 00:57:30.725 we would adjust the RFP and then put it up. 1305 00:57:31.075 --> 00:57:32.805 Well, they another board if they wanted to, 1306 00:57:32.805 --> 00:57:34.645 they could piggyback off of yours, 1307 00:57:34.705 --> 00:57:37.765 but you're not gonna get original good pricing 1308 00:57:37.945 --> 00:57:39.925 or low pricing with all of, you know, 1309 00:57:39.955 --> 00:57:41.325 putting it out there with 1310 00:57:41.905 --> 00:57:43.005 2000, 10,000 1311 00:57:43.005 --> 00:57:44.005 Poles. I don't wanna lose my 1312 00:57:44.005 --> 00:57:44.525 train of thought. 1313 00:57:44.675 --> 00:57:48.005 What, what Bruce just said. Bruce, just clarify. 1314 00:57:48.225 --> 00:57:50.365 Are you saying maybe we should go out 1315 00:57:50.365 --> 00:57:51.685 to the other districts now 1316 00:57:51.785 --> 00:57:53.645 and find out they wanna participate? 1317 00:57:53.945 --> 00:57:56.085 So we, so we have a bigger number. 1318 00:57:56.865 --> 00:58:00.525 Uh, is that prior we were thinking about going out first 1319 00:58:00.525 --> 00:58:01.805 getting this done 1320 00:58:01.825 --> 00:58:04.485 and then going, asking the rest of the other districts. 1321 00:58:04.485 --> 00:58:06.245 Right. What you're telling me is maybe 1322 00:58:06.265 --> 00:58:07.445 we should go ask them now. 1323 00:58:08.025 --> 00:58:10.045 Yes, sir. So I think if you give us direction, you know, 1324 00:58:10.045 --> 00:58:12.685 you want to go with, uh, you know, the full design build 1325 00:58:12.785 --> 00:58:15.325 and option one or whatever the direction is 1326 00:58:15.425 --> 00:58:16.565 and put it out to RFP, 1327 00:58:17.265 --> 00:58:18.285 and I don't remember the number 1328 00:58:18.285 --> 00:58:22.085 of polls District seven has right off hand, seven 700. 1329 00:58:22.275 --> 00:58:24.885 Well, we have 50,000 polls out there. 1330 00:58:25.035 --> 00:58:26.125 Some crazy number 1331 00:58:26.185 --> 00:58:28.165 and some of the other, you know, when you look at all 1332 00:58:28.165 --> 00:58:30.405 of them, that's a much bigger number 1333 00:58:31.035 --> 00:58:34.005 that you might get a much larger economy scale discount 1334 00:58:34.005 --> 00:58:36.605 versus kind of what Shar said, if you go out 1335 00:58:36.605 --> 00:58:37.885 with your 700 polls 1336 00:58:37.885 --> 00:58:41.125 and you get a price, the other district can piggyback at 1337 00:58:41.125 --> 00:58:44.005 your price, but you'd lose that greater economy of scale. 1338 00:58:44.175 --> 00:58:45.525 We're not gaining anything by them 1339 00:58:45.525 --> 00:58:46.965 piggybacking on our price. 1340 00:58:47.265 --> 00:58:49.805 We want to know what is the price is if we include them. 1341 00:58:50.225 --> 00:58:53.205 That's right. Absolutely. So should we, should we, 1342 00:58:53.715 --> 00:58:54.715 Yeah, I'm sorry. But should 1343 00:58:54.715 --> 00:58:55.885 we put out an, uh, 1344 00:58:55.885 --> 00:59:00.325 and lemme know if this is possible, get a, a, a number 1345 00:59:00.555 --> 00:59:01.725 that we feel is close 1346 00:59:01.945 --> 00:59:03.085 and they would bid on 1347 00:59:03.085 --> 00:59:05.285 that higher number even, or maybe bid on both. 1348 00:59:05.825 --> 00:59:08.085 Uh, how, you know, when you put out the proposal, 1349 00:59:08.275 --> 00:59:11.005 because let's say all districts wanna get involved 1350 00:59:11.065 --> 00:59:13.765 and there's, I don't know, um, 2000 poles. 1351 00:59:14.245 --> 00:59:17.485 I don't know. Uh, you obviously, you're right, 1352 00:59:17.505 --> 00:59:20.285 you would get a different price per pole if you went out 1353 00:59:20.285 --> 00:59:23.725 with that many, uh, versus the small amount somehow. 1354 00:59:23.725 --> 00:59:27.405 Should we word, uh, word the, uh, the proposal worded 1355 00:59:27.405 --> 00:59:29.165 that way so they could bid that way? 1356 00:59:29.545 --> 00:59:31.965 You know, you know what I'm saying? Is there any way 1357 00:59:32.075 --> 00:59:33.645 Incremental pricing, you know, 1358 00:59:33.705 --> 00:59:35.445 for the first 700, it's this Yes. 1359 00:59:35.555 --> 00:59:39.125 From 700 to 1500, is that from exactly 1360 00:59:39.195 --> 00:59:40.195 15? At least it 1361 00:59:40.195 --> 00:59:42.525 gives us an idea. I I mean, is it possible 1362 00:59:43.435 --> 00:59:44.645 What could be possible Yes. 1363 00:59:44.745 --> 00:59:47.205 Yes. To just do a range of poles? 1364 00:59:48.235 --> 00:59:51.005 That might be, it might be a thought to do that. 1365 00:59:51.275 --> 00:59:53.805 Well, not only that, but, you know, maybe we want 1366 00:59:53.805 --> 00:59:55.605 to add a few more streetlights while we're doing this. 1367 00:59:56.635 --> 00:59:59.645 Well, hopefully they may suggest that 1368 01:00:00.185 --> 01:00:01.725 we don't need all 700. Right? 1369 01:00:01.835 --> 01:00:05.005 Well, and again, we might not need all 700, 1370 01:00:05.265 --> 01:00:08.565 but if, if we're talking about down the contract lane, 1371 01:00:08.665 --> 01:00:10.765 you know, we have a storm, we need 20 more poles. 1372 01:00:10.895 --> 01:00:13.645 Would it not behoove us now to buy 750 poles 1373 01:00:13.905 --> 01:00:15.045 and have them available 1374 01:00:15.305 --> 01:00:18.765 for those quick turnarounds rather than have them having 1375 01:00:18.785 --> 01:00:19.965 to go find a 1376 01:00:20.395 --> 01:00:23.725 Well, depending on the option, uh, that's up to the vendor 1377 01:00:23.745 --> 01:00:25.125 To, I, I understand that. 1378 01:00:25.345 --> 01:00:27.645 So, um, I would, I, 1379 01:00:27.905 --> 01:00:31.685 my thought at the moment is let's figure out what we want so 1380 01:00:31.685 --> 01:00:34.285 that they can revise what we've got in front of us. 1381 01:00:34.285 --> 01:00:38.445 Mm-hmm. And then let them share it with the others 1382 01:00:38.655 --> 01:00:40.125 after the revisions are done. 1383 01:00:40.865 --> 01:00:42.485 So, okay, now we're change. We're good. 1384 01:00:42.485 --> 01:00:44.285 This, I tell you, this meeting really had a great meeting. 1385 01:00:44.665 --> 01:00:48.245 Um, so Bruce had a good idea, which we now agree with, 1386 01:00:48.245 --> 01:00:51.805 saying, let's go, let's share it now, because 1387 01:00:52.185 --> 01:00:55.045 before not wait until the proposal come back. Is that what 1388 01:00:55.045 --> 01:00:56.045 You think? Well, and yeah. And 1389 01:00:56.045 --> 01:00:57.605 we, if we make changes 1390 01:00:57.785 --> 01:01:02.125 to this RFP right, then we still have to see it again. 1391 01:01:03.205 --> 01:01:04.885 I mean, if we send you back to the office 1392 01:01:04.985 --> 01:01:06.045 and say, take this out 1393 01:01:06.045 --> 01:01:08.005 and add these five things, then they just have 1394 01:01:08.005 --> 01:01:09.245 to rewrite the RFP. 1395 01:01:09.265 --> 01:01:11.205 Mm-hmm. And then we approve that. 1396 01:01:11.705 --> 01:01:14.685 So let's, let's get what we want. Mm-hmm. 1397 01:01:14.875 --> 01:01:19.605 Because we may be by ourselves. Mm-hmm. And that's okay. 1398 01:01:20.385 --> 01:01:23.965 Um, but once we have been clear about what we want, 1399 01:01:23.985 --> 01:01:25.765 and we weren't very clear the last time, 1400 01:01:25.825 --> 01:01:27.525 we were just all going, okay, that's, you know, 1401 01:01:27.535 --> 01:01:28.565 let's figure this out. 1402 01:01:29.105 --> 01:01:31.205 Um, which is what you do with new stuff. 1403 01:01:31.585 --> 01:01:34.365 So let us define, let's, let's go through 1404 01:01:34.365 --> 01:01:36.045 and make sure we have everything we want. 1405 01:01:37.425 --> 01:01:41.525 And then, um, they can take it back, clean this up, 1406 01:01:41.905 --> 01:01:45.285 and then it would come back to us, um, maybe in January, 1407 01:01:45.825 --> 01:01:47.485 um, all cleaned up. 1408 01:01:47.545 --> 01:01:51.085 And at that point in time, then that proposal 1409 01:01:51.085 --> 01:01:53.925 that's been cleaned up, they could certainly take 1410 01:01:53.925 --> 01:01:55.285 and share with the rest of the world, 1411 01:01:55.745 --> 01:01:58.285 Add the incremental funding on the next revision. 1412 01:01:58.705 --> 01:01:59.885 Yes. Yes. Mm-hmm. 1413 01:02:00.025 --> 01:02:02.405 And I think it's important that the other districts know, 1414 01:02:02.675 --> 01:02:04.165 know that we're doing this for information. 1415 01:02:04.165 --> 01:02:06.805 If it doesn't benefit us individual 1416 01:02:07.205 --> 01:02:08.405 districts, we're not gonna do it. 1417 01:02:08.865 --> 01:02:12.485 If, if we get bid back, that make us all go, what? Yeah. 1418 01:02:12.835 --> 01:02:14.765 Then we're not gonna approve that. Yeah. 1419 01:02:14.785 --> 01:02:17.445 If we're not gonna, over time save money in all 1420 01:02:17.445 --> 01:02:19.885 of our minds, we can't imagine that we won't save money. 1421 01:02:19.885 --> 01:02:22.525 Yeah. Because that goes, that goes out of control. Yeah. 1422 01:02:22.525 --> 01:02:24.285 Yeah. Um, you know, 1423 01:02:24.425 --> 01:02:27.085 and yeah, you can wait for that grant, but we're not gonna see it. 1424 01:02:27.945 --> 01:02:29.085 And if we see it for a week, 1425 01:02:29.085 --> 01:02:30.725 then next month they'll change it anyway. 1426 01:02:30.825 --> 01:02:34.005 So, um, but yeah, so we're, we're being proactive. 1427 01:02:34.425 --> 01:02:37.445 Let us get this cleaned up to where we are happy with it so 1428 01:02:37.565 --> 01:02:40.205 that we can go out with it, even if we're by ourselves. 1429 01:02:40.625 --> 01:02:42.565 See, I can't see any other districts saying they don't 1430 01:02:42.565 --> 01:02:44.245 wanna be involved in this because they're not getting 1431 01:02:44.245 --> 01:02:46.965 obligated to buy anything until we get the information. 1432 01:02:47.115 --> 01:02:50.245 Well, I, I, yeah. I, yeah. So again, okay. I got you. 1433 01:02:50.245 --> 01:02:52.685 I got, I I this up. Let's go. Gotcha. 1434 01:02:52.805 --> 01:02:54.325 I got a couple, couple items. 1435 01:02:54.785 --> 01:02:58.285 Um, along, um, the lines of Darrell there. 1436 01:02:58.925 --> 01:03:01.365 I don't see anything with battery disposals 1437 01:03:01.425 --> 01:03:04.805 and whatever costs or environment environmental impact. 1438 01:03:05.225 --> 01:03:07.125 Is that something, am I missing a point on that? 1439 01:03:07.125 --> 01:03:09.045 Or, you know, it's the same thing. 1440 01:03:09.045 --> 01:03:12.045 Like when you, when you need new tires, you're gonna pay a, 1441 01:03:12.765 --> 01:03:15.405 a fee or a tax on tire disposal 1442 01:03:15.785 --> 01:03:17.805 or hazardous materials. 1443 01:03:18.525 --> 01:03:21.245 I, I, I don't know the, I don't know how 1444 01:03:21.245 --> 01:03:22.445 that should be addressed or 1445 01:03:23.325 --> 01:03:25.005 I think they would in the past 1446 01:03:25.075 --> 01:03:26.245 with some experience in this. 1447 01:03:26.405 --> 01:03:29.245 I think the, uh, the, uh, the contractors 1448 01:03:29.245 --> 01:03:31.485 that get this proposal that do bid on it, 1449 01:03:31.675 --> 01:03:32.765 it's gonna put that in there. 1450 01:03:32.875 --> 01:03:37.285 They're gonna say how much it costs to, to, you know. Yeah. 1451 01:03:37.285 --> 01:03:40.205 They're gonna put it in. I honestly read that don't happen. 1452 01:03:40.555 --> 01:03:43.885 Yeah. I don't, I don't, we don't specifically ask for that 1453 01:03:43.945 --> 01:03:47.005 as a item description in the pricing and 1454 01:03:47.005 --> 01:03:48.005 Stuff like That. I agree with 1455 01:03:48.005 --> 01:03:49.485 Mr. Va. I think they would roll that in, 1456 01:03:49.485 --> 01:03:51.205 but I can definitely make a note of that. Yeah. 1457 01:03:51.205 --> 01:03:53.005 So to, I think to that point, 1458 01:03:54.025 --> 01:03:55.525 if you have a turnkey solution 1459 01:03:55.545 --> 01:03:57.085 and a contractor providing the service, 1460 01:03:57.175 --> 01:03:58.525 we're not disposing no. 1461 01:03:58.525 --> 01:04:00.245 Of the batteries. That's the contractor's 1462 01:04:00.245 --> 01:04:01.885 responsibility. So it would be built into 1463 01:04:01.885 --> 01:04:02.885 The pricing. Yeah. They'll put the cost, 1464 01:04:02.885 --> 01:04:03.885 they'll put a line item it 1465 01:04:03.885 --> 01:04:05.885 for in the past that actually make a line item for that. 1466 01:04:06.745 --> 01:04:09.165 The other thing is, and I've asked for this in the past, 1467 01:04:09.265 --> 01:04:13.005 and I really think we need this, we need to begin 1468 01:04:13.005 --> 01:04:16.165 to see a critical path of, for this project. 1469 01:04:16.505 --> 01:04:20.365 Yep. Um, you know, the start to basically finish 1470 01:04:20.365 --> 01:04:23.645 because, you know, I'd like to see, you know, 1471 01:04:23.645 --> 01:04:26.005 does the commencement we indicate in here commencement 1472 01:04:26.005 --> 01:04:28.565 of the, the work 120 days 1473 01:04:28.735 --> 01:04:33.365 after, well, is that sufficient time for CCO to come in 1474 01:04:33.365 --> 01:04:36.785 and remove all of the, the poles and, 1475 01:04:37.085 --> 01:04:38.505 and whatever else is required? 1476 01:04:38.665 --> 01:04:42.145 I I, even though we can't fill it in Totally, I'd like 1477 01:04:42.145 --> 01:04:46.025 to start to see that critical path that we're facing here. 1478 01:04:46.525 --> 01:04:49.105 And then, you know, as we get more information, 1479 01:04:50.055 --> 01:04:52.795 put another bullet in there and another bullet. 1480 01:04:53.155 --> 01:04:56.555 'cause you know, this isn't gonna happen by March. Okay. 1481 01:04:56.775 --> 01:04:58.035 But I'd really like to know 1482 01:04:58.945 --> 01:05:01.395 what are the critical steps that gotta occur? 1483 01:05:02.095 --> 01:05:04.635 And, you know, are we assured that, you know, 1484 01:05:04.705 --> 01:05:07.155 this can happen before that happens before. 1485 01:05:07.375 --> 01:05:09.315 Yes. And That I think we need really, 1486 01:05:09.315 --> 01:05:12.755 And in the conversation that we had two meetings ago, one 1487 01:05:12.755 --> 01:05:15.195 of the things we talked about was pretty much this would be 1488 01:05:15.225 --> 01:05:16.995 step one 1489 01:05:17.125 --> 01:05:19.005 and other things would be happening in the background. 1490 01:05:19.065 --> 01:05:22.525 So like, step one was, um, Mike finding out that yes, 1491 01:05:22.665 --> 01:05:25.165 we can, um, end the seco agreement. 1492 01:05:25.785 --> 01:05:28.205 That's, that's true. But I, I wanna start to see that 1493 01:05:28.505 --> 01:05:31.005 and we can bullet what we know 1494 01:05:31.185 --> 01:05:34.005 and then start filling in additionally, you know, 1495 01:05:34.065 --> 01:05:36.845 now we understand there's another critical point here that, 1496 01:05:36.905 --> 01:05:37.965 and that's what we are actually doing. 1497 01:05:37.965 --> 01:05:39.765 That that's what we are. Well we, we, 1498 01:05:39.825 --> 01:05:41.445 we don't have this all laid out right now. 1499 01:05:41.505 --> 01:05:42.845 No, we don't. We don't know 1500 01:05:42.845 --> 01:05:43.845 We're doing it. But are we doing it 1501 01:05:43.845 --> 01:05:44.925 haphazard? Yeah. 1502 01:05:45.075 --> 01:05:48.725 Yeah. You know, but, uh, 1503 01:05:49.955 --> 01:05:52.165 Okay, Again, that timeline that is in there, 1504 01:05:52.235 --> 01:05:54.045 that would just be for, wait 1505 01:05:54.225 --> 01:05:55.405 Second. Wait, 1506 01:05:55.785 --> 01:05:58.245 I'm sorry sir. Absolutely. 1507 01:05:58.945 --> 01:06:00.925 No, go ahead. Saying, oh, the timeline 1508 01:06:00.925 --> 01:06:02.525 that is put in here is just gonna be 1509 01:06:02.525 --> 01:06:04.285 for the contractor who gets awarded this. 1510 01:06:04.285 --> 01:06:06.885 So we would have a pre-con with the number one ranked, 1511 01:06:06.885 --> 01:06:08.765 and we would determine at that time when they would start, 1512 01:06:08.765 --> 01:06:10.045 which may be a month out 1513 01:06:10.195 --> 01:06:12.525 because of CCO having to come in 1514 01:06:12.585 --> 01:06:14.885 to take everything out. See, I, so 1515 01:06:14.885 --> 01:06:17.565 We would, there might even be a negotiation time period 1516 01:06:17.585 --> 01:06:20.445 that's gotta occur between our attorneys and cco. 1517 01:06:20.585 --> 01:06:23.205 That's right. So is that, that's a bullet there that 1518 01:06:23.235 --> 01:06:24.765 Usually it's about, May have to occur. 1519 01:06:24.785 --> 01:06:26.885 And, you know, so I wanna start seeing what 1520 01:06:26.885 --> 01:06:28.045 that whole layout, 1521 01:06:28.385 --> 01:06:29.385 My nightmare is. It 1522 01:06:29.385 --> 01:06:32.925 SECO says, okay, you're just standing in contract sweet. 1523 01:06:33.225 --> 01:06:36.005 And in two weeks every poll is gone 1524 01:06:36.065 --> 01:06:37.805 and we can't get pulled up fast enough. 1525 01:06:38.505 --> 01:06:42.285 So somebody's gonna have to negotiate the process in which 1526 01:06:43.055 --> 01:06:45.325 we'll do 50 and then 50 and then, 1527 01:06:45.345 --> 01:06:46.605 or we'll start in this neighborhood 1528 01:06:46.605 --> 01:06:49.205 or this village, you know, this area, this 1529 01:06:49.315 --> 01:06:50.315 Area. Or possibly 1530 01:06:50.315 --> 01:06:51.965 they wait four months to do it. 1531 01:06:51.965 --> 01:06:53.165 And we have a contractor now 1532 01:06:53.165 --> 01:06:54.645 where we really can't hold their price 1533 01:06:54.665 --> 01:06:57.045 longer than six months. I mean, so 1534 01:06:57.325 --> 01:06:58.845 I, I really wanna See that all 1535 01:06:58.845 --> 01:07:00.965 of your points are exactly right on. 1536 01:07:01.285 --> 01:07:02.925 I know that, uh, Mr. 1537 01:07:03.245 --> 01:07:05.045 Eckert, as chairman has stated, 1538 01:07:05.105 --> 01:07:06.365 has already talked with SQL a little bit. 1539 01:07:06.925 --> 01:07:08.725 I know for the other c dds, Mr. 1540 01:07:08.795 --> 01:07:12.365 Brianis is also having those similar discussions asking all 1541 01:07:12.365 --> 01:07:13.445 those similar questions. 1542 01:07:13.505 --> 01:07:17.325 And we have a, a list of topics with CCO as we kind 1543 01:07:17.325 --> 01:07:18.525 of navigate this to, 1544 01:07:18.525 --> 01:07:20.485 to check the box on all those 1545 01:07:20.485 --> 01:07:21.605 things you're kind of hitting on. 1546 01:07:21.625 --> 01:07:23.525 So we'll certainly try to refine that 1547 01:07:23.525 --> 01:07:25.645 and put it together a little bit so that way you kind 1548 01:07:25.645 --> 01:07:27.485 of can see and paper sort 1549 01:07:27.485 --> 01:07:28.885 of this path that we would've to go down. 1550 01:07:28.885 --> 01:07:30.925 Because I don't know, we need to, we need the bullet list. 1551 01:07:31.035 --> 01:07:33.885 Yeah. 'cause I don't know, with, with cco, you know, 1552 01:07:34.125 --> 01:07:36.605 'cause of, is the whole removal a phone 1553 01:07:36.605 --> 01:07:38.245 call, you know, come and get 'em? 1554 01:07:38.385 --> 01:07:41.085 Or is there, you know, a heck of a lot more involved with, 1555 01:07:41.085 --> 01:07:42.685 Did they say, okay, we're just shutting all the power off, 1556 01:07:42.785 --> 01:07:44.285 we take us a month to remove the 1557 01:07:44.475 --> 01:07:46.045 Yeah, I mean, So Bruce, you, 1558 01:07:46.105 --> 01:07:47.605 you staff could find that out for us. 1559 01:07:47.785 --> 01:07:49.165 We are, we are actively working on that. 1560 01:07:49.345 --> 01:07:50.805 We may have, we may find a time 1561 01:07:50.875 --> 01:07:52.645 that we don't have lighting in certain areas. 1562 01:07:52.875 --> 01:07:55.365 Yeah. You know, we might have to bite the bullet on that. 1563 01:07:55.625 --> 01:07:58.045 And another thing, Let the, let the residents know that 1564 01:07:58.345 --> 01:08:00.765 On the lighting, Bruce and, uh, the illumination 1565 01:08:00.785 --> 01:08:03.685 of the lights that we have right now, obviously they're old. 1566 01:08:04.505 --> 01:08:06.245 It is terrible. And we all know that. Yeah. 1567 01:08:06.345 --> 01:08:09.285 You know, it's terrible. The illumination on the, uh, 1568 01:08:09.295 --> 01:08:11.805 solar is, I don't know what the difference is, 1569 01:08:12.225 --> 01:08:13.925 but I think it's much, much more brighter. 1570 01:08:14.515 --> 01:08:17.085 Well, in that case, we might need, 1571 01:08:17.365 --> 01:08:19.205 I would think, less poles. 1572 01:08:20.315 --> 01:08:23.805 Okay. Uh, we might, we, I don't know. I'm not an expert. 1573 01:08:23.805 --> 01:08:24.965 Expert. They might be in the wrong location. 1574 01:08:25.155 --> 01:08:26.325 Yeah. Oh, right. I'm 1575 01:08:26.325 --> 01:08:27.965 Thinking that they might put poles in different places. 1576 01:08:28.075 --> 01:08:30.125 Yeah. Which might be less poles. There may be. Yeah. 1577 01:08:30.125 --> 01:08:33.485 Because illumination, I could tell you as I get older, 1578 01:08:33.825 --> 01:08:34.845 the lighting stinks. 1579 01:08:34.845 --> 01:08:37.965 Now I, I know I can't see, like I used it from 15 years ago, 1580 01:08:38.305 --> 01:08:40.525 but, uh, we do have that yellow light 1581 01:08:40.525 --> 01:08:42.125 that doesn't illuminate us, you know, 1582 01:08:42.325 --> 01:08:44.405 'cause the old kind of bulbs they have, uh, 1583 01:08:44.585 --> 01:08:46.805 and I was thinking about that when you get, um, solar, 1584 01:08:47.265 --> 01:08:50.845 the illumination you in, instead of putting up 700 uh, 1585 01:08:50.855 --> 01:08:52.525 poles, you may only need six on the 1586 01:08:52.525 --> 01:08:53.525 Poles. I'm assuming 1587 01:08:53.525 --> 01:08:55.325 that that's gonna be part of their study 1588 01:08:55.385 --> 01:08:56.805 and analysis and Right. 1589 01:08:57.145 --> 01:08:59.845 But we villages doesn't have a 1590 01:09:00.685 --> 01:09:02.845 lighting requirement standard, do we? 1591 01:09:03.065 --> 01:09:04.165 Or do we not? Yeah, 1592 01:09:04.165 --> 01:09:05.045 Good point. That's my point. 1593 01:09:05.155 --> 01:09:06.765 Well, probably about how the poles look, 1594 01:09:06.765 --> 01:09:09.285 but not necessarily how much light they throw out. 1595 01:09:09.475 --> 01:09:11.125 Yeah. Is there, So there, 1596 01:09:11.125 --> 01:09:13.645 there is a design standard and an, um, 1597 01:09:14.185 --> 01:09:16.845 That's exactly What there is a lighting standard for 1598 01:09:16.845 --> 01:09:18.765 how many lumens they should be, et cetera. 1599 01:09:19.145 --> 01:09:21.885 But, you know, the villages at large is, 1600 01:09:22.105 --> 01:09:24.525 has been converting over to, you know, in your parking lots 1601 01:09:24.525 --> 01:09:25.565 and other downtown. 1602 01:09:25.705 --> 01:09:29.525 So the, um, LED lighting as well. So that, that's changed. 1603 01:09:29.965 --> 01:09:33.125 I I think there's an LED standard that, that is in use now. 1604 01:09:33.125 --> 01:09:34.325 That's actually a great point 1605 01:09:34.835 --> 01:09:37.005 that we would include in the RFP probably. 1606 01:09:37.145 --> 01:09:39.845 So I'll follow up with the construction group on that. Okay. 1607 01:09:40.295 --> 01:09:43.605 Along That line, would there be any interest in the 1608 01:09:43.675 --> 01:09:45.365 developer joining in on this 1609 01:09:47.145 --> 01:09:49.645 and putting the same poles 1610 01:09:49.665 --> 01:09:52.555 in ES scale? 1611 01:09:53.285 --> 01:09:55.195 We're not able to be in a public entity 1612 01:09:55.195 --> 01:09:58.075 and a private entity to bid this out together. 1613 01:09:58.475 --> 01:10:00.555 I, I'm not holding this up based on holding, 1614 01:10:00.845 --> 01:10:02.315 we're not holding our breath weight for that one. 1615 01:10:02.535 --> 01:10:06.435 No. Um, there is a question under structural requirements 1616 01:10:06.545 --> 01:10:09.595 that says win load compliance 180 miles an hour. 1617 01:10:10.025 --> 01:10:12.875 Yeah. Closure. D is this actual spec for Sumter County? 1618 01:10:13.315 --> 01:10:15.395 I think it it, and then it says excessive. 1619 01:10:15.555 --> 01:10:18.395 I don't know whose note that is. That might be, 1620 01:10:18.875 --> 01:10:20.115 I mean, I don't think we're gonna have 1621 01:10:20.115 --> 01:10:21.195 to cash file come through here. 1622 01:10:22.175 --> 01:10:23.395 You know what It will, 1623 01:10:24.105 --> 01:10:25.105 Yeah. It 1624 01:10:25.105 --> 01:10:25.555 say 1625 01:10:25.585 --> 01:10:27.235 Many you, it won't, they'll be 1626 01:10:27.235 --> 01:10:28.235 Here. Um, 1627 01:10:28.235 --> 01:10:29.355 and again, it goes back 1628 01:10:29.355 --> 01:10:31.715 to when we talked about safety on the multimodal path. 1629 01:10:31.935 --> 01:10:34.675 You lose one person then, you know, it was worth the money. 1630 01:10:34.845 --> 01:10:36.835 Uhhuh. Um, so what is the, 1631 01:10:37.015 --> 01:10:38.955 the sum Sumter County actually have effect? 1632 01:10:39.255 --> 01:10:40.255 Do we know? 1633 01:10:41.815 --> 01:10:43.675 I'm sure they do have a wind load requirement. 1634 01:10:43.795 --> 01:10:45.675 I don't know what it is. We can follow up. 1635 01:10:46.075 --> 01:10:49.625 I think you'll find some of these are what, 1636 01:10:50.885 --> 01:10:52.865 you know, you may find when you go out to RFP 1637 01:10:52.865 --> 01:10:54.345 that contractors come back 1638 01:10:54.345 --> 01:10:57.145 and say 180 mile per hour poles aren't available. 1639 01:10:57.145 --> 01:10:59.065 They're 140 mile per hour poles. 1640 01:10:59.205 --> 01:11:00.985 That's kind of goes back to the deviation 1641 01:11:00.985 --> 01:11:03.145 exception comments or 1642 01:11:03.185 --> 01:11:04.185 The q and A questions. Yes. 1643 01:11:04.185 --> 01:11:05.385 Okay. We would verify that. 1644 01:11:05.405 --> 01:11:07.945 So 180 was just worst case scenario. 1645 01:11:09.485 --> 01:11:10.825 Yes, ma'am. That's fine. 1646 01:11:11.055 --> 01:11:12.185 It's funny, I looked at that too. 1647 01:11:12.565 --> 01:11:16.365 And it's fine. Yeah. Exposure D Okay. 1648 01:11:17.145 --> 01:11:18.405 Can we get a lotion for that? 1649 01:11:21.875 --> 01:11:24.285 They add a couple things on the grading criteria. 1650 01:11:25.545 --> 01:11:27.125 Yes. Those look six and seven. 1651 01:11:29.705 --> 01:11:31.605 The experience of the contractor 1652 01:11:39.645 --> 01:11:41.715 installing the map 1653 01:11:41.715 --> 01:11:45.035 that can install value. 1654 01:11:46.135 --> 01:11:47.135 You have that. 1655 01:11:47.985 --> 01:11:51.235 Okay. You're looking at the factor three. Evaluate, no. 1656 01:11:51.545 --> 01:11:54.355 Item seven evaluation criteria below item seven, 1657 01:11:54.355 --> 01:11:55.915 there's seven criteria. 1658 01:11:56.095 --> 01:11:58.275 And then below that there's points for 1659 01:11:58.335 --> 01:12:01.115 how long they've been installing solar, total amount 1660 01:12:01.115 --> 01:12:03.995 of solar installed number of years installing LED lighting 1661 01:12:04.525 --> 01:12:06.475 total all value of LED lighting installed. 1662 01:12:06.815 --> 01:12:11.075 And they're each worth 10 points. So are we, 1663 01:12:18.395 --> 01:12:19.775 that's 150 points. 1664 01:12:19.975 --> 01:12:23.455 A hundred and 140 points total in all of those. 1665 01:12:24.005 --> 01:12:25.175 Well, Yeah. 1666 01:12:25.595 --> 01:12:27.175 My comment on, on the scoring, 1667 01:12:28.455 --> 01:12:29.735 I think once you send this out 1668 01:12:30.075 --> 01:12:33.295 and you get some responses back from potential vendors, 1669 01:12:34.235 --> 01:12:37.055 the whole scoring needs to be potentially adjusted 1670 01:12:37.085 --> 01:12:38.895 because there's gonna be a lot of things 1671 01:12:38.895 --> 01:12:41.415 that are far more important than, 1672 01:12:41.415 --> 01:12:44.655 than we may realize, or less important. They And, 1673 01:12:44.835 --> 01:12:46.855 And this is, can you change that though? 1674 01:12:47.195 --> 01:12:48.195 No, no, We can't. 1675 01:12:50.125 --> 01:12:52.215 Hold On, hold on. There may be an ish ahead, Wes. 1676 01:12:52.355 --> 01:12:54.375 And I'm sorry, I, I didn't mean to interrupt, 1677 01:12:54.435 --> 01:12:56.975 but just on that particular point, uh, generally speaking, 1678 01:12:56.995 --> 01:13:00.945 in public procurement, uh, you are obligated to 1679 01:13:01.565 --> 01:13:04.105 advise all, uh, entities 1680 01:13:04.105 --> 01:13:06.065 that are submitting proposals upfront 1681 01:13:06.695 --> 01:13:08.465 what the scoring criteria is. 1682 01:13:08.725 --> 01:13:10.745 Oh. And then you can't change it 1683 01:13:10.745 --> 01:13:12.985 after the fact that that may subject you 1684 01:13:12.985 --> 01:13:14.425 to a, a bid protest. 1685 01:13:14.575 --> 01:13:15.945 Because someone could say, well, 1686 01:13:16.265 --> 01:13:18.985 I would've done my proposal differently had I known you were 1687 01:13:18.985 --> 01:13:20.345 gonna put greater weight. I 1688 01:13:20.645 --> 01:13:23.265 Didn't realize That one criteria over another. 1689 01:13:23.485 --> 01:13:25.825 So you really need to be comfortable with your scoring 1690 01:13:26.365 --> 01:13:27.545 before you put the, 1691 01:13:27.725 --> 01:13:29.025 before you get the proposals, 1692 01:13:29.025 --> 01:13:31.265 you can always do an addendum midway through. 1693 01:13:31.265 --> 01:13:34.105 But once the proposals are submitted, you're pretty much, 1694 01:13:34.485 --> 01:13:36.345 uh, stuck with the scoring that you had. 1695 01:13:37.765 --> 01:13:39.905 So, Steve, I'm looking at your copy. 1696 01:13:40.085 --> 01:13:42.425 You are the one that added these four items. Okay. 1697 01:13:43.085 --> 01:13:45.905 So they were not in the original. Yes. So I, I can't 1698 01:13:46.355 --> 01:13:47.355 Color coded. I'm 1699 01:13:47.355 --> 01:13:50.545 sorry. Okay. But this goes along with the concern 1700 01:13:51.175 --> 01:13:55.345 that this company may be gone two years into the contract. 1701 01:13:55.725 --> 01:13:59.385 And so this just establishes, uh, what they've done 1702 01:14:00.285 --> 01:14:04.385 and the probability of their being 1703 01:14:04.385 --> 01:14:07.745 around in 10 years, for 20 years, we're gonna go that lane. 1704 01:14:08.205 --> 01:14:10.705 You did, you did say there is some kind of, uh, 1705 01:14:12.005 --> 01:14:14.325 Language we can put in there to protect us on that. 1706 01:14:14.325 --> 01:14:15.485 Right. 'cause he does have a good point. 1707 01:14:15.885 --> 01:14:17.165 I, we, we have the agreement. 1708 01:14:17.185 --> 01:14:19.285 We haven't drafted the agreement for this yet. 1709 01:14:19.285 --> 01:14:21.405 We have our staple agreement, but we would make points 1710 01:14:21.465 --> 01:14:23.325 to them because this is a very long agreement. 1711 01:14:23.325 --> 01:14:24.685 That's a big concern. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 1712 01:14:25.525 --> 01:14:29.885 I, I think that having some accountability 1713 01:14:29.965 --> 01:14:33.845 around these things, but this also could tend to skew this 1714 01:14:33.845 --> 01:14:35.405 to one vendor and not other vendors. 1715 01:14:35.955 --> 01:14:38.845 Because 10 points is a hell of a lot of points to find out 1716 01:14:38.845 --> 01:14:41.485 that, you know, you've done it for this many, you know, 1717 01:14:41.485 --> 01:14:43.325 if you've only done it for a year, you get no points. 1718 01:14:43.585 --> 01:14:45.445 But that doesn't mean that if you, 1719 01:14:45.455 --> 01:14:47.045 maybe you came from another company 1720 01:14:47.105 --> 01:14:48.405 and started your own new company 1721 01:14:48.625 --> 01:14:50.325 and you know, you've got the history 1722 01:14:50.325 --> 01:14:52.565 of doing everybody in Tampa in the last year. 1723 01:14:53.085 --> 01:14:54.725 I don't, I, I'm concerned about 1724 01:14:54.725 --> 01:14:55.885 the number of points for these. 1725 01:14:56.245 --> 01:14:58.125 I don't wanna skew this to just one vendor. 1726 01:14:59.345 --> 01:15:01.205 You know? That's a good point. Yes. No, 1727 01:15:01.205 --> 01:15:03.565 But we do need to have some sort of history. 1728 01:15:03.825 --> 01:15:05.725 We have to have the history in the information, 1729 01:15:05.785 --> 01:15:07.365 but I'm sure that's part of the process. 1730 01:15:07.665 --> 01:15:10.445 But I think 40 points for that, that's, 1731 01:15:10.445 --> 01:15:13.085 that's almost half the total points for a proposal. 1732 01:15:14.305 --> 01:15:16.845 We will certainly take a look at that, that as part 1733 01:15:16.845 --> 01:15:20.965 of the overall process as we review and finalize this RFP 1734 01:15:21.025 --> 01:15:22.125 and put it back together 1735 01:15:22.505 --> 01:15:25.525 and we'll, we'll rightsize the points so that way there's a, 1736 01:15:25.725 --> 01:15:27.525 a good, fair even balance Yeah. 1737 01:15:27.665 --> 01:15:30.445 As well. And this will come back to you as, as you said, 1738 01:15:30.625 --> 01:15:32.365 for certainly for another look, 1739 01:15:32.365 --> 01:15:34.445 we're certainly not gonna make some changes and push it out. 1740 01:15:35.085 --> 01:15:38.885 I would recommend for your consideration, perhaps as we go 1741 01:15:38.885 --> 01:15:41.575 through this process, that we don't have 1742 01:15:41.575 --> 01:15:45.295 to necessarily provide the RFP to other boards, 1743 01:15:45.295 --> 01:15:47.855 but we can certainly put it on their agenda for January 1744 01:15:48.235 --> 01:15:50.615 for a general discussion of here's 1745 01:15:50.615 --> 01:15:51.935 what District Seven is doing. 1746 01:15:52.235 --> 01:15:54.055 We do like to participate in this process. 1747 01:15:54.315 --> 01:15:57.055 And then instead of having, you know, scalability, 1748 01:15:57.395 --> 01:16:00.605 we can say of the districts that are willing 1749 01:16:00.625 --> 01:16:03.485 to participate in this RFP, there's a number of X number 1750 01:16:03.485 --> 01:16:05.565 of thousand poles potentially mm-hmm. 1751 01:16:05.705 --> 01:16:07.885 To be replaced. And that might get you the economy 1752 01:16:07.985 --> 01:16:10.325 of scale without really delaying your process 1753 01:16:10.505 --> 01:16:11.525 of moving this along. 1754 01:16:11.525 --> 01:16:14.765 Well, and my, my concern about giving this 1755 01:16:14.865 --> 01:16:16.485 to five other districts is 1756 01:16:16.485 --> 01:16:18.605 that they're then I'll think they can mark this all up 1757 01:16:18.605 --> 01:16:19.725 in Oh, yeah, yeah. 1758 01:16:19.725 --> 01:16:20.725 Thank you. We're not going down. 1759 01:16:20.745 --> 01:16:24.765 That's, And another point is that you, another point is 1760 01:16:24.835 --> 01:16:26.045 that you gave direction 1761 01:16:26.065 --> 01:16:28.365 of having a board member on the selection committee. 1762 01:16:28.515 --> 01:16:31.005 They probably, you wouldn't like another board member be on 1763 01:16:31.005 --> 01:16:33.005 your selection committee to choose for yours. 1764 01:16:33.105 --> 01:16:35.845 So, um, and I will need direction, um, from the board, 1765 01:16:35.905 --> 01:16:38.205 not necessarily today, but maybe at the next meeting on, 1766 01:16:38.265 --> 01:16:39.645 if you do for sure. 1767 01:16:39.845 --> 01:16:42.165 Want a board member on the selection committee. 1768 01:16:42.585 --> 01:16:44.685 One, two, and, and who that would be. 1769 01:16:44.685 --> 01:16:47.565 Because then when we start structuring our timeline, one 1770 01:16:47.565 --> 01:16:48.925 Because we can't be in a room together. 1771 01:16:49.485 --> 01:16:52.645 Hmm, exactly. Correct. You got the Sunshine Law. Okay. 1772 01:16:52.745 --> 01:16:54.365 Um, even though they're public meetings 1773 01:16:54.365 --> 01:16:58.525 and you are in the blackout because Yeah, yeah. 1774 01:16:58.525 --> 01:17:01.005 The, the selection committee would be a public meeting. 1775 01:17:01.225 --> 01:17:03.365 And because with the, um, auditing selection committee, 1776 01:17:03.385 --> 01:17:05.685 we had meeting, but they were all different board members. 1777 01:17:05.945 --> 01:17:09.125 If we do our due diligence And evaluation 1778 01:17:09.245 --> 01:17:10.685 Factors and that, 1779 01:17:11.505 --> 01:17:16.005 and our review of, you know, the, the scoring after the, 1780 01:17:16.005 --> 01:17:19.605 after the fact that we can question, I'm not sure I want 1781 01:17:19.605 --> 01:17:22.045 to dig in my feet and participate in, 1782 01:17:22.365 --> 01:17:23.645 I, I don't think any of us should, 1783 01:17:23.645 --> 01:17:26.325 because then we're not impartial when it gets here. Yeah, 1784 01:17:26.595 --> 01:17:27.645 Yeah. A good point. 1785 01:17:27.705 --> 01:17:30.085 If, if we can't know in advance about stuff, 1786 01:17:30.145 --> 01:17:33.005 Matt's bringing us a boat, you know, so we don't drive by 1787 01:17:33.005 --> 01:17:34.725 and say, Ooh, that landscaping is terrible, 1788 01:17:35.035 --> 01:17:36.605 then I don't know that we need to have 1789 01:17:38.055 --> 01:17:39.325 given you the criteria 1790 01:17:39.865 --> 01:17:41.325 and you guys are all very capable 1791 01:17:41.385 --> 01:17:42.805 of doing your job really well. 1792 01:17:43.275 --> 01:17:44.925 Then you don't need one of us sitting. 1793 01:17:46.105 --> 01:17:48.645 I'm just asking if there's bidder's conference request, 1794 01:17:48.945 --> 01:17:50.405 you know, and, and mm-hmm. 1795 01:17:50.485 --> 01:17:53.685 With the result of that, if something, 1796 01:17:53.945 --> 01:17:55.605 if something changed dramatically 1797 01:17:55.605 --> 01:17:56.765 because of the bidder's conference, 1798 01:17:56.765 --> 01:17:58.045 you would've already had to tell us that. 1799 01:17:58.045 --> 01:18:00.125 Mm-hmm. Like if they, if you wanted 1800 01:18:00.125 --> 01:18:01.765 to change one whole section of the proposal 1801 01:18:01.775 --> 01:18:03.005 based on you went, oh, okay. 1802 01:18:03.005 --> 01:18:05.325 That's, you know, so we already know that. 1803 01:18:05.325 --> 01:18:07.885 Yeah. We get the questions from the, uh, vendors 1804 01:18:08.185 --> 01:18:11.765 and then we seek answers, uh, for those questions 1805 01:18:12.305 --> 01:18:13.445 and put them out in addendum, 1806 01:18:13.715 --> 01:18:14.725 Gets the same answer. 1807 01:18:15.475 --> 01:18:16.645 That is correct. Good. 1808 01:18:16.825 --> 01:18:18.325 But again, now are we reaching out 1809 01:18:18.345 --> 01:18:19.885 to the board to get the answers? 1810 01:18:20.795 --> 01:18:22.765 Okay. Are We emailing you and then waiting? 1811 01:18:22.765 --> 01:18:26.325 Because usually when we submit it, the, um, RFP, 1812 01:18:26.325 --> 01:18:28.405 within seven days we'll have the pre-bid meeting 1813 01:18:28.415 --> 01:18:30.165 where in person we'll meet and talk 1814 01:18:30.165 --> 01:18:31.325 and they can ask any questions. 1815 01:18:31.825 --> 01:18:34.325 And then they have another 10 days 1816 01:18:34.625 --> 01:18:36.485 to review everything and ask their questions. 1817 01:18:36.485 --> 01:18:38.005 So those will be coming in left 1818 01:18:38.005 --> 01:18:42.485 and right to just purchasing And uh, we obviously Yeah, we, 1819 01:18:42.485 --> 01:18:44.685 we would have to seek direction on how 1820 01:18:44.685 --> 01:18:45.765 to answer those. Well, 1821 01:18:45.845 --> 01:18:48.605 I, I, I wouldn't imagine that there'd be so far out 1822 01:18:48.605 --> 01:18:50.205 of the ballpark that you wouldn't be able to, 1823 01:18:51.575 --> 01:18:53.845 we've already discussed hearing this thing. 1824 01:18:54.785 --> 01:18:56.285 The economy is still 1825 01:18:56.345 --> 01:19:01.085 or be 700 polls, 7,000 poles 1826 01:19:01.715 --> 01:19:04.205 incremental build 1827 01:19:05.075 --> 01:19:06.805 That covers that problem Pretty well cover it. 1828 01:19:06.805 --> 01:19:08.125 And we still maintain control. 1829 01:19:08.425 --> 01:19:10.645 We don't have, but it is gonna be a, 1830 01:19:11.035 --> 01:19:13.645 correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we should put it out. 1831 01:19:14.265 --> 01:19:16.565 If they're gonna join with us, then they join with 1832 01:19:16.565 --> 01:19:17.565 what we have. 1833 01:19:18.025 --> 01:19:21.405 Of course. Julian hit that right on the note. 1834 01:19:21.425 --> 01:19:22.725 You don't want Yeah. We'll be here until, 1835 01:19:22.745 --> 01:19:23.765 uh, 20 years from now. 1836 01:19:23.795 --> 01:19:24.885 Yeah. Yeah. 1837 01:19:25.105 --> 01:19:27.245 The key is if we put, if we put, 1838 01:19:27.265 --> 01:19:29.445 if we put the language in there, like Mr. 1839 01:19:29.475 --> 01:19:32.925 Left just said the how much of pro, let's say we go 1840 01:19:32.925 --> 01:19:34.085 with the 700 poles 1841 01:19:34.085 --> 01:19:38.125 or 7,000 poles, we don't need to go to the, uh, 1842 01:19:38.135 --> 01:19:40.445 other districts until we get this back 1843 01:19:40.785 --> 01:19:41.845 to have more information. 1844 01:19:41.905 --> 01:19:44.525 We go to them. If we go now, if we go now, 1845 01:19:44.635 --> 01:19:46.885 they must know and understand. 1846 01:19:47.165 --> 01:19:48.845 'cause I'm not just my opinion, 1847 01:19:49.195 --> 01:19:51.045 supervisors gonna say, oh, we don't get that. 1848 01:19:51.045 --> 01:19:52.285 It'll be too much money. Some people 1849 01:19:52.285 --> 01:19:53.685 love seco, you know, seco. 1850 01:19:54.025 --> 01:19:57.245 Um, but they gotta understand this is all about information. 1851 01:19:57.315 --> 01:19:59.525 It's not obligating us to anything we 1852 01:19:59.525 --> 01:20:00.525 Can Refuse off of. 1853 01:20:00.595 --> 01:20:03.645 Yeah. They, they must understand that. So let's just, I, 1854 01:20:03.845 --> 01:20:06.245 I would hate to think that we're just putting out this so 1855 01:20:06.245 --> 01:20:08.765 that five companies will jump through hoop to do an exercise 1856 01:20:08.785 --> 01:20:09.785 And not interest. 1857 01:20:09.835 --> 01:20:13.045 Yeah, I understand. So what, what do we wanna do? 1858 01:20:13.145 --> 01:20:16.165 Do we wanna put this il the, uh, other districts now 1859 01:20:16.225 --> 01:20:17.565 or do we wanna wait until 1860 01:20:17.565 --> 01:20:19.685 after we put out, get this proposal done? I 1861 01:20:19.685 --> 01:20:23.005 Think, I think that Mr. Brown had the right idea on all 1862 01:20:23.005 --> 01:20:25.765 of the January agendas for all of the districts. 1863 01:20:25.765 --> 01:20:29.045 Yeah. Tell them that we are now in the final RFP process. 1864 01:20:29.175 --> 01:20:32.805 Right. And if you're on board, let us know so 1865 01:20:32.805 --> 01:20:34.765 that we can get some idea of 1866 01:20:34.765 --> 01:20:36.965 how many polls we might need. But 1867 01:20:37.225 --> 01:20:39.565 As long as they know, as long as they know, uh, Bruce, 1868 01:20:39.565 --> 01:20:42.645 that it's not obligating them, you know, 1869 01:20:42.895 --> 01:20:44.085 we'll make that perfectly clear. 1870 01:20:44.155 --> 01:20:45.165 There's no obligation. Yeah. 1871 01:20:45.165 --> 01:20:46.365 Because I know how they, you know, 1872 01:20:46.685 --> 01:20:47.845 I know how human beings think. 1873 01:20:47.845 --> 01:20:50.365 Thank God. Sometimes the bottom line 1874 01:20:50.385 --> 01:20:51.605 is they're gonna sit there. 1875 01:20:51.605 --> 01:20:53.965 Well, that's gonna be too much money. They have no idea. 1876 01:20:54.165 --> 01:20:55.165 'cause they don't have the information. 1877 01:20:55.745 --> 01:20:57.245 I'd say let them wait and figure it out. 1878 01:20:57.245 --> 01:20:58.405 If we can do a Yeah. 1879 01:20:58.545 --> 01:21:01.645 If we can put in X to X number of poles 1880 01:21:01.645 --> 01:21:03.565 and then 10,000 hole, you know. 1881 01:21:03.565 --> 01:21:05.725 Yeah. If we can do that as an option, 1882 01:21:05.795 --> 01:21:07.205 then I think we've covered the 1883 01:21:07.715 --> 01:21:08.715 Yeah. Because I could see what, 1884 01:21:08.715 --> 01:21:09.485 what may happen 1885 01:21:09.585 --> 01:21:11.165 and you don't want it, but what may happen, 1886 01:21:11.255 --> 01:21:13.445 let's say we do save a decent amount of money 1887 01:21:13.545 --> 01:21:15.285 and there's a lot of, uh, districts don't want, 1888 01:21:15.785 --> 01:21:17.485 and districts don't wanna get involved at this point. 1889 01:21:17.865 --> 01:21:19.405 All of a sudden they're gonna wanna get involved 1890 01:21:19.545 --> 01:21:21.685 and we're not gonna change it all at the last minute. 1891 01:21:21.685 --> 01:21:22.885 No, no. We're not changing anything. Yeah. 1892 01:21:22.885 --> 01:21:24.525 That's my point. So, uh, okay. 1893 01:21:25.315 --> 01:21:27.165 Percent me no Problem. Yeah. Yeah. 1894 01:21:27.825 --> 01:21:29.645 So Steve, I have one more question for you. 1895 01:21:29.945 --> 01:21:33.125 On the very last page, which is the alternate direct per 1896 01:21:33.845 --> 01:21:35.645 purchase where they want the price of each 1897 01:21:35.645 --> 01:21:36.725 of the polls and all that stuff. 1898 01:21:37.385 --> 01:21:39.045 You said don't put that in there at all. 1899 01:21:39.285 --> 01:21:40.685 I want to know why not? Uh, 1900 01:21:40.685 --> 01:21:41.685 Definitely. Well, 1901 01:21:41.685 --> 01:21:45.125 based on not having that again, I was purchasing 1902 01:21:45.125 --> 01:21:46.805 because I still think that's the right, 1903 01:21:46.855 --> 01:21:48.125 wrong way to go. Yes. 1904 01:21:48.465 --> 01:21:50.365 Uh, that's fine. But that's, so 1905 01:21:50.365 --> 01:21:51.685 that's the only reason that was in there. 1906 01:21:51.925 --> 01:21:54.445 'cause I would wanna know what their re response time 1907 01:21:54.475 --> 01:21:55.645 emergency and all that stuff. 1908 01:21:55.905 --> 01:21:58.405 So, okay. I need to know that. 1909 01:21:58.435 --> 01:22:01.245 Even if it's even if they go with the standard. Of 1910 01:22:01.245 --> 01:22:02.245 Course. Yeah. I do have one 1911 01:22:02.245 --> 01:22:02.805 other thing 1912 01:22:02.805 --> 01:22:05.005 because I've been looking at some of the solar 1913 01:22:06.145 --> 01:22:10.445 and you get a couple options for the arrays, one 1914 01:22:10.445 --> 01:22:11.925 of the cylindrical mm-hmm. 1915 01:22:12.455 --> 01:22:15.005 Which essentially wraps around the pole 1916 01:22:16.385 --> 01:22:20.125 and it wouldn't have that much impact on wind, et cetera. 1917 01:22:21.025 --> 01:22:24.685 And then you have, in other words, almost a flat line, 1918 01:22:25.315 --> 01:22:26.725 flat plane off of the pole. 1919 01:22:27.265 --> 01:22:30.565 And that could have a major issue with wind. 1920 01:22:31.625 --> 01:22:33.965 And so I think that we would want to specify the 1921 01:22:34.845 --> 01:22:36.415 iCal thoughts. 1922 01:22:36.585 --> 01:22:39.695 Isn't that, what, wasn't that the reason that none 1923 01:22:39.695 --> 01:22:42.255 of our poles were tall enough in the first place? 1924 01:22:43.115 --> 01:22:44.255 The poles aren't tall enough 1925 01:22:44.255 --> 01:22:45.975 because they, they have 1926 01:22:45.975 --> 01:22:47.455 to be a certain height before the, um, 1927 01:22:47.595 --> 01:22:48.535 Before they can have 1928 01:22:48.535 --> 01:22:50.055 that iCal thing. That's why I thought, 1929 01:22:50.715 --> 01:22:54.015 But it was all The initial evaluate the company did. 1930 01:22:54.245 --> 01:22:56.055 Part part of it was also, um, 1931 01:22:56.245 --> 01:22:58.855 that they have the poles have to be tall up 1932 01:22:58.855 --> 01:23:00.255 that the solar arrays mm-hmm. 1933 01:23:00.335 --> 01:23:02.775 Starts above where the weed whackers and the mowers. 1934 01:23:02.795 --> 01:23:04.655 That's why Yeah. That's why they couldn't 1935 01:23:04.655 --> 01:23:06.245 retrofit the ones that we have now. 1936 01:23:06.245 --> 01:23:08.045 Exactly. Right. Right. Which was purchasing 1937 01:23:08.235 --> 01:23:10.765 from CCO and then Exactly. Refi, right? 1938 01:23:11.595 --> 01:23:13.525 Yeah. 'cause originally we were gonna use the poles 1939 01:23:13.525 --> 01:23:14.565 that there, this include. 1940 01:23:14.635 --> 01:23:18.125 Yeah. Well that was an option. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 1941 01:23:18.145 --> 01:23:20.605 So where we go from here, do you need 1942 01:23:20.605 --> 01:23:21.605 A motion? Do we want, do 1943 01:23:21.605 --> 01:23:22.325 we want to do that? 1944 01:23:22.545 --> 01:23:24.685 Uh, specify the type of array. 1945 01:23:25.925 --> 01:23:28.565 I, I'm, I'm not, I'm not feeling the need 1946 01:23:28.565 --> 01:23:30.525 to specify whether I want a round, I don't know, 1947 01:23:30.525 --> 01:23:31.885 square one or an open shape one. 1948 01:23:31.885 --> 01:23:33.525 I don't know enough about it. I think that, 1949 01:23:33.925 --> 01:23:35.805 I think if they know that they're putting in, you know, 1950 01:23:35.885 --> 01:23:38.485 a thousand poles, that they better not have problems. 1951 01:23:38.645 --> 01:23:40.205 'cause they're, they're having to fix it 1952 01:23:40.665 --> 01:23:41.765 and not at our expense. 1953 01:23:41.945 --> 01:23:44.765 So I would say let them, let's see what they come up with. 1954 01:23:44.905 --> 01:23:47.045 And again, who knows what they developed last night. 1955 01:23:47.445 --> 01:23:48.605 I agree. And they do have the q 1956 01:23:48.605 --> 01:23:50.525 and a portion to ask questions on. 1957 01:23:50.525 --> 01:23:52.125 If we have something specific for that, 1958 01:23:52.345 --> 01:23:53.365 we can let them know. 1959 01:23:53.385 --> 01:23:55.405 But that would be part of the full design. Do 1960 01:23:55.405 --> 01:23:58.085 You have any feel how many, how many vendors out there 1961 01:23:59.175 --> 01:24:01.915 might, you know, throw their hat in the ring on this? 1962 01:24:02.475 --> 01:24:05.155 I don't. No, We got four for the RFQ. Right? 1963 01:24:05.575 --> 01:24:08.555 We did. I believe it did three or four. That's a 1964 01:24:08.555 --> 01:24:09.555 Good sign. Yeah, that's 1965 01:24:09.555 --> 01:24:10.235 a good sign. 1966 01:24:10.825 --> 01:24:11.915 Okay. And, and knowing 1967 01:24:11.915 --> 01:24:14.795 that it's happening actively in places like Tampa Yeah. 1968 01:24:15.165 --> 01:24:16.715 Texas, it's happening. Yeah. But 1969 01:24:16.935 --> 01:24:19.475 In Florida it's already Happening. Yes. Already. So 1970 01:24:19.555 --> 01:24:22.675 That gives us alternative, that gives us knowledge 1971 01:24:22.675 --> 01:24:24.235 that there are multiple vendors. 1972 01:24:24.375 --> 01:24:27.675 That's correct. And again, we looked at, uh, multiple 1973 01:24:28.195 --> 01:24:30.915 agencies, scopes who put out for lighting services. 1974 01:24:30.975 --> 01:24:31.915 Of course they're different. They're 1975 01:24:31.915 --> 01:24:32.835 highways, you know, all different. 1976 01:24:32.835 --> 01:24:34.955 But we tried to come up with a scope with you. 1977 01:24:34.955 --> 01:24:36.115 Again, my staff not equipped 1978 01:24:36.115 --> 01:24:37.435 to be subject matter experts on this. 1979 01:24:37.495 --> 01:24:38.835 So we took what was out there 1980 01:24:38.835 --> 01:24:40.355 and tried to, you know, put this together. 1981 01:24:40.775 --> 01:24:43.755 But we will look at their responses that they got 1982 01:24:43.755 --> 01:24:44.755 and we can find their emails 1983 01:24:44.775 --> 01:24:46.715 and we'll put them down as supplemental suppliers 1984 01:24:46.895 --> 01:24:49.115 so they all get, um, notified. 1985 01:24:49.285 --> 01:24:51.595 Sweet. Okay. Any other, any other questions? 1986 01:24:51.615 --> 01:24:53.195 Boy, any We good? So what 1987 01:24:53.195 --> 01:24:54.715 Do you need from Officer Brown? 1988 01:24:55.755 --> 01:24:57.435 I think all we need is board direction, 1989 01:24:57.435 --> 01:25:00.195 which I believe we have that we will continue 1990 01:25:00.195 --> 01:25:01.395 to refine this RFP. 1991 01:25:01.495 --> 01:25:04.715 Yep. And bring it back to you for another review. Yep. 1992 01:25:05.055 --> 01:25:07.315 And if I understand correctly, you're okay 1993 01:25:07.315 --> 01:25:09.875 with us not providing the RFP to the other boards, 1994 01:25:09.875 --> 01:25:11.835 but just letting, creating an agenda item saying 1995 01:25:11.835 --> 01:25:13.515 that this is what District seven is doing. 1996 01:25:14.365 --> 01:25:17.675 Would you potentially no obligation, like to participate 1997 01:25:17.675 --> 01:25:20.475 because of the potential economy of scale savings 1998 01:25:20.585 --> 01:25:22.875 that could be achieved if one 1999 01:25:22.875 --> 01:25:24.875 or more districts went down the solar path? 2000 01:25:24.935 --> 01:25:26.435 Yep. And we won't know what that is 2001 01:25:26.485 --> 01:25:28.675 until we get the, uh, proposal back. Correct. Well, 2002 01:25:29.175 --> 01:25:30.235 But they need to know that they have 2003 01:25:30.295 --> 01:25:31.395 an opportunity to be in. 2004 01:25:31.855 --> 01:25:33.755 And then if not, then they're gonna pay what we pay. 2005 01:25:33.755 --> 01:25:35.795 And Yeah. Well, they're gonna ask, what is the savings? 2006 01:25:35.895 --> 01:25:37.955 You know, they're gonna start adding I If you 2007 01:25:37.955 --> 01:25:39.155 tell 'em up front, we don't know yet. 2008 01:25:39.305 --> 01:25:40.305 They won't ask. 2009 01:25:41.275 --> 01:25:43.235 I do think with that option, we should let 'em know 2010 01:25:43.235 --> 01:25:44.515 that you're putting something out. 2011 01:25:44.575 --> 01:25:46.795 And when the results come in, they may piggyback off 2012 01:25:46.795 --> 01:25:48.155 of it if they think that that's their choice. 2013 01:25:48.155 --> 01:25:50.835 That way they don't think they any insight with it at all. 2014 01:25:50.885 --> 01:25:51.955 We're not stopping anything. 2015 01:25:51.995 --> 01:25:53.755 We're not just informational for them. 2016 01:25:54.415 --> 01:25:56.475 And they can view it and just like another entity, 2017 01:25:56.475 --> 01:25:58.475 Sumter County could piggyback off of it as well. 2018 01:25:58.935 --> 01:26:01.355 And then I think, again, on the critical path, 2019 01:26:01.465 --> 01:26:05.165 then we gotta throw that in as another bullet that if all 2020 01:26:05.165 --> 01:26:08.085 of a sudden three other districts jump in, 2021 01:26:08.435 --> 01:26:09.725 what does that now entail? 2022 01:26:10.075 --> 01:26:12.445 Pushing that out for? They're at the end of the queue. Huh? 2023 01:26:12.445 --> 01:26:13.965 They're at the end of the queue. Well, I don't know. 2024 01:26:14.285 --> 01:26:15.485 I don't know if it's or not to, 2025 01:26:15.705 --> 01:26:17.005 to get the economies of scale. 2026 01:26:17.355 --> 01:26:20.525 Yeah. They would be at the end of the queue on installation. 2027 01:26:20.705 --> 01:26:23.485 But did that, so about price wise? Yeah. 2028 01:26:23.585 --> 01:26:25.125 Did did that change the, 2029 01:26:25.125 --> 01:26:26.645 They're all individual contracts 2030 01:26:26.645 --> 01:26:28.765 and they're all in, they would have individual pre-con 2031 01:26:28.765 --> 01:26:30.365 meetings on when they would all start. 2032 01:26:30.745 --> 01:26:32.285 And um, yeah. 2033 01:26:32.825 --> 01:26:34.765 It may even work faster for you 2034 01:26:34.785 --> 01:26:37.365 to have them pull more staff coming in to do bigger. 2035 01:26:37.385 --> 01:26:40.365 So yeah, we scale job even 700. Yeah. 2036 01:26:40.365 --> 01:26:42.005 No, Wes, again, the input, uh, 2037 01:26:44.185 --> 01:26:45.185 No. I mean, I, I think, 2038 01:26:45.185 --> 01:26:47.845 uh, the, the board direction 2039 01:26:47.845 --> 01:26:52.125 and the discussion you had is, is exactly what, uh, was 2040 01:26:52.185 --> 01:26:53.325 to be accomplished today. 2041 01:26:53.665 --> 01:26:55.605 So I don't, I don't, unless there are any questions for me, 2042 01:26:56.225 --> 01:26:57.925 it seems like it's moving in the right direction. 2043 01:26:58.545 --> 01:27:03.005 You our Yes. PLE row of people. Yeah. 2044 01:27:03.765 --> 01:27:05.805 I know you may have a question. Yes. 2045 01:27:06.225 --> 01:27:08.285 And was there a final and then the selection committee 2046 01:27:08.395 --> 01:27:10.365 Fine with district staff being on the selection committee. 2047 01:27:10.365 --> 01:27:11.485 Everybody was fine with that. Okay. 2048 01:27:12.105 --> 01:27:14.925 And that was all I needed, you know. Okay. Thank you. 2049 01:27:15.235 --> 01:27:17.125 Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. 2050 01:27:18.475 --> 01:27:21.365 This is some project, eh, it's gonna be 2051 01:27:21.365 --> 01:27:22.365 Big. Good morning. 2052 01:27:22.365 --> 01:27:23.725 Keith Cruz. Two seven. 2053 01:27:23.725 --> 01:27:25.005 Three three Allen Dairy Lane. 2054 01:27:25.465 --> 01:27:28.525 Um, I'll be quick 'cause I know this took a while. 2055 01:27:29.035 --> 01:27:31.325 Basically, I wanted to come here today and, 2056 01:27:31.385 --> 01:27:34.565 and say I agree that this is the way to go, that we need 2057 01:27:34.565 --> 01:27:35.925 to move forward with the solar. 2058 01:27:36.865 --> 01:27:40.485 Um, and the first proposal, excuse me, the gentleman 2059 01:27:41.355 --> 01:27:44.245 basically told Jerry that he, he could guarantee 2060 01:27:44.385 --> 01:27:48.205 or come in at about a 10% savings, if you remember that. 2061 01:27:48.205 --> 01:27:49.405 That's, that's correct. Right. 2062 01:27:49.585 --> 01:27:53.405 So with c eco's original bill to the, to the district 2063 01:27:53.405 --> 01:27:57.765 of $600,000, if my math is correct, over 20 years, 2064 01:27:57.875 --> 01:27:59.725 it'd be a $1.2 million savings. 2065 01:28:00.305 --> 01:28:02.285 Of course we know it's been reduced to 300. 2066 01:28:02.865 --> 01:28:03.965 So that's still half that. 2067 01:28:04.665 --> 01:28:06.685 So if every district got involved in this 2068 01:28:07.265 --> 01:28:09.205 and they saved 10% at a minimum, 2069 01:28:09.655 --> 01:28:12.645 we're still talking over $10 million in 20 years. 2070 01:28:13.465 --> 01:28:17.125 So that's something that easily could be translated in these 2071 01:28:17.445 --> 01:28:19.565 proposals of the, the January meetings 2072 01:28:19.565 --> 01:28:21.885 or whatever's coming up to show the districts 2073 01:28:21.885 --> 01:28:22.965 that there is a savings. 2074 01:28:23.505 --> 01:28:25.405 It may not be huge now, 2075 01:28:26.145 --> 01:28:28.485 but over 20 years it's, it's, it's a big amount. 2076 01:28:28.865 --> 01:28:31.445 And the, and the first proposal also said 2077 01:28:31.795 --> 01:28:33.685 that they would be willing to do everything, 2078 01:28:34.325 --> 01:28:36.205 warranty replacement, all of it. 2079 01:28:36.385 --> 01:28:37.725 Yes. Now I've gone online 2080 01:28:37.745 --> 01:28:40.685 and I've contacted at least 10 different companies from here 2081 01:28:40.905 --> 01:28:42.245 to Arizona to California. 2082 01:28:42.545 --> 01:28:44.525 And they all basically have the same setup. 2083 01:28:44.875 --> 01:28:47.485 They'll come in and do the same thing proposal one did. 2084 01:28:47.535 --> 01:28:49.845 Right. They'll fund it, they'll bond it, 2085 01:28:50.005 --> 01:28:52.005 they'll do whatever they, we they want to do. 2086 01:28:52.105 --> 01:28:53.845 Yep. They'll take care of everything. 2087 01:28:54.585 --> 01:28:56.485 All the difference would be pricing. Yep. 2088 01:28:57.065 --> 01:29:00.445 So obviously with these rps, our, our RQs, whatever, 2089 01:29:00.705 --> 01:29:02.845 you're gonna find out those different amounts. 2090 01:29:02.845 --> 01:29:04.245 Yeah, yeah. So it's out there. 2091 01:29:04.555 --> 01:29:06.085 They're everywhere to be found. 2092 01:29:06.595 --> 01:29:07.925 They're willing to do the work. 2093 01:29:07.925 --> 01:29:09.725 They've been in business for two years, 2094 01:29:09.725 --> 01:29:11.485 22 years, whatever the number is. 2095 01:29:11.985 --> 01:29:14.685 And, and they're eager to be in communities. 2096 01:29:14.885 --> 01:29:17.285 'cause my question is, or to them was, 2097 01:29:18.165 --> 01:29:20.525 I live in a subdivision that needs new lighting, 2098 01:29:20.895 --> 01:29:22.085 could be hundreds of 'em. 2099 01:29:22.475 --> 01:29:24.005 What would you propose? 2100 01:29:24.665 --> 01:29:26.365 And all of 'em came back with the same thing. 2101 01:29:26.865 --> 01:29:29.765 You know, they have videos that show step one, step two, 2102 01:29:29.835 --> 01:29:32.045 step three, we're gonna go get the financing, 2103 01:29:32.045 --> 01:29:33.725 we're gonna go get the poles, we're gonna get the lighting. 2104 01:29:33.955 --> 01:29:36.325 This is what we'll do for you. We'll take care of you. 2105 01:29:36.425 --> 01:29:38.045 You'll not have to do a thing. 2106 01:29:38.825 --> 01:29:41.045 So I, I know it can be done. And 2107 01:29:41.185 --> 01:29:42.845 My expectation is that that is 2108 01:29:42.845 --> 01:29:44.285 what we will get back in all of these 2109 01:29:44.605 --> 01:29:45.605 Proposals. I agree. 2110 01:29:45.605 --> 01:29:46.645 I think so too. 2111 01:29:46.705 --> 01:29:49.405 And I just think the other districts need to know exactly 2112 01:29:50.115 --> 01:29:52.045 what they're missing so they 2113 01:29:52.045 --> 01:29:53.365 understand that they get involved. 2114 01:29:53.365 --> 01:29:56.965 They could save a ton of money to them down the road. Yep. 2115 01:29:57.155 --> 01:30:00.125 Well, and, and every seco rate increase 2116 01:30:00.125 --> 01:30:01.685 that we don't have to pay for the next 2117 01:30:01.685 --> 01:30:02.725 20 years that Yeah. 2118 01:30:02.825 --> 01:30:04.485 Oh, exactly. That's another one we're not gonna get you. 2119 01:30:04.795 --> 01:30:07.125 Yeah. You don't know. It could be, uh, you know, 2120 01:30:07.465 --> 01:30:09.565 $10,000 next time. You know, I mean that, but 2121 01:30:09.565 --> 01:30:11.205 There is a cost of living on the maintenance. 2122 01:30:11.205 --> 01:30:13.125 Well, I think he said when he did the proposal, 2123 01:30:13.425 --> 01:30:15.445 the contract, we had I think a one, a two 2124 01:30:15.465 --> 01:30:17.325 to 3% cost living on a maintenance. 2125 01:30:17.325 --> 01:30:19.525 Exactly. Obviously that could be negotiable. Right. 2126 01:30:19.585 --> 01:30:20.885 You know, so Yeah. And that, 2127 01:30:20.885 --> 01:30:21.885 Yeah. That still 2128 01:30:21.885 --> 01:30:23.405 would eat in just a little bit of that money, 2129 01:30:23.465 --> 01:30:25.405 but it's still a lot of money down the road. Yeah, 2130 01:30:26.005 --> 01:30:27.125 Absolutely. Which is why we're 2131 01:30:28.075 --> 01:30:29.075 Yeah. Right. And that's just 2132 01:30:29.075 --> 01:30:30.565 this time, like you said, 2133 01:30:30.705 --> 01:30:33.205 10 years from now when none of us are here. 2134 01:30:33.885 --> 01:30:37.725 I mean, I won't be here, but, uh, you know, it could be, 2135 01:30:37.985 --> 01:30:39.445 it could be an 800% increase. 2136 01:30:39.985 --> 01:30:42.245 You don't know that this, this was a guarantee 2137 01:30:42.245 --> 01:30:44.525 that it never increased other than two to 3%. 2138 01:30:44.525 --> 01:30:46.285 Yeah, good point Jerry. That's it. 2139 01:30:46.295 --> 01:30:48.365 It'll never go any higher. So, you know, you got 2140 01:30:48.365 --> 01:30:50.325 that guarantee for 20 years. Yeah. 2141 01:30:50.585 --> 01:30:52.765 And thanks for the homework you're doing. That's very 2142 01:30:52.765 --> 01:30:53.765 Nice. Well, I just wanted to know myself. 2143 01:30:53.765 --> 01:30:54.885 Yeah, that's very nice. 2144 01:30:54.885 --> 01:30:56.325 After that proposal, it was, 2145 01:30:56.445 --> 01:30:57.565 I thought, an excellent proposal. 2146 01:30:57.685 --> 01:30:59.645 I thought it was great for you guys to bring them in. 2147 01:30:59.865 --> 01:31:01.365 And I wanted to know more about it. 2148 01:31:01.425 --> 01:31:03.245 Was this just a fluke 2149 01:31:03.745 --> 01:31:06.445 or is it something that's out there and it is out there. 2150 01:31:06.555 --> 01:31:07.765 It's out there It is. They're 2151 01:31:07.765 --> 01:31:08.765 Doing A lot of work in Cancel. 2152 01:31:08.765 --> 01:31:09.605 Yeah. An 2153 01:31:09.605 --> 01:31:10.525 Article in the newspaper. 2154 01:31:10.795 --> 01:31:12.245 Yeah, I have it. Yeah. Yeah. 2155 01:31:12.245 --> 01:31:13.845 Alright. Thank You. Thank, thank you. Thank you. 2156 01:31:13.895 --> 01:31:16.565 Thank you. Okay. Bruce, where we go? 2157 01:31:16.675 --> 01:31:19.485 What do you uh, you, we, I think got what you need. 2158 01:31:19.645 --> 01:31:21.645 I think we have clear direction, so we're, we're good. 2159 01:31:21.915 --> 01:31:23.645 Beautiful. Let need do one more point. 2160 01:31:23.785 --> 01:31:28.005 Uh, once we get the proposal set up to be released. 2161 01:31:28.635 --> 01:31:32.325 From that point, I've gotta recuse myself. Mm-hmm. Uh, 2162 01:31:32.865 --> 01:31:33.865 Yes. According 2163 01:31:33.865 --> 01:31:35.965 to state law, I don't have to, 2164 01:31:36.185 --> 01:31:40.485 but the mere appearance of impropriety with, uh, 2165 01:31:40.545 --> 01:31:44.885 one contractor fitting being my second cousin, I don't feel 2166 01:31:44.885 --> 01:31:48.605 that it would be proper for me to take, uh, 2167 01:31:49.755 --> 01:31:52.405 make any selection or any termination. 2168 01:31:52.825 --> 01:31:54.725 So you'll be in on the boats or where Yeah. 2169 01:31:54.805 --> 01:31:56.005 I understand. I understand. 2170 01:31:56.475 --> 01:32:00.045 Alright. And, and I'm glad that you are choosing that 2171 01:32:00.885 --> 01:32:01.885 Yourself. Yeah. 2172 01:32:01.885 --> 01:32:04.525 Yeah. Very good. Thanks. 2173 01:32:05.115 --> 01:32:06.805 Okay, let's move on. Old business. 2174 01:32:07.585 --> 01:32:08.685 Yes sir. Mr. Chairman board, 2175 01:32:08.685 --> 01:32:12.005 your first item on old business was the RFP 2176 01:32:12.105 --> 01:32:14.045 for the solar lighting, which we just discussed. 2177 01:32:15.195 --> 01:32:18.525 Your next was to provide a schedule for a tree replacement 2178 01:32:18.595 --> 01:32:21.925 that was, uh, taken out during the last storm. 2179 01:32:22.225 --> 01:32:23.605 And the update at 2180 01:32:23.605 --> 01:32:26.165 that time back in November was pos were issued 2181 01:32:26.305 --> 01:32:28.605 and the replacement will occur in six to eight weeks. 2182 01:32:29.145 --> 01:32:31.125 Mr. Wiley did check with our landscape manager 2183 01:32:31.145 --> 01:32:32.365 and that's about two weeks out. 2184 01:32:32.425 --> 01:32:34.725 So it should happen right around the first of the year. 2185 01:32:36.105 --> 01:32:40.565 Uh, you're next item was D seven Villa concerns tied back 2186 01:32:40.565 --> 01:32:42.165 to the fiber optic installation. 2187 01:32:43.375 --> 01:32:47.315 And as far as I know, there are no outstanding issues. 2188 01:32:47.615 --> 01:32:49.515 But if there are any that you're aware of, 2189 01:32:49.515 --> 01:32:51.515 please let me know and we will follow 2190 01:32:51.575 --> 01:32:52.755 up on those. Yeah, yeah, 2191 01:32:52.755 --> 01:32:53.795 We do have one. Yeah. 2192 01:32:54.545 --> 01:32:56.155 Okay. We'll certainly get the 2193 01:32:56.155 --> 01:32:57.395 information and we'll follow up on that. 2194 01:32:57.395 --> 01:32:59.435 Will do. Close it out. Uh, 2195 01:32:59.545 --> 01:33:01.195 last was the maintenance condition of the basin 2196 01:33:01.895 --> 01:33:03.515 on the Roosevelt Golf course. 2197 01:33:03.695 --> 01:33:06.275 As you know, we've been pumping that down for quite a while. 2198 01:33:06.295 --> 01:33:08.595 Mm-hmm. Uh, it's been pumped down. 2199 01:33:08.615 --> 01:33:09.795 The pumps have been removed. 2200 01:33:09.865 --> 01:33:13.035 That course will be opened, uh, sometime next week. Cool. 2201 01:33:13.455 --> 01:33:15.195 Oh really? That concludes your old business. 2202 01:33:15.865 --> 01:33:19.075 Wonderful. A couple of the, uh, renovated 2203 01:33:19.625 --> 01:33:23.635 executive courses and they are fantastic. 2204 01:33:24.505 --> 01:33:26.755 They're doing a real good job on the renovations 2205 01:33:26.755 --> 01:33:27.955 Coming for you and it means a lot. 2206 01:33:29.495 --> 01:33:30.555 That's great feedback. 2207 01:33:30.605 --> 01:33:32.195 We'll certainly pass it to the staff. 2208 01:33:32.335 --> 01:33:34.955 As you know, we have, uh, two 2209 01:33:34.955 --> 01:33:37.235 or three courses still under renovation now. 2210 01:33:37.855 --> 01:33:39.715 We have seven more that we'll be doing this year. 2211 01:33:40.055 --> 01:33:41.795 So we got a lot of, lot of work ahead of us 2212 01:33:42.535 --> 01:33:44.835 On Belmont yesterday just looking course. 2213 01:33:44.855 --> 01:33:49.195 And then is it may exceed leading some 2214 01:33:49.195 --> 01:33:50.235 of the championship courses. 2215 01:33:52.015 --> 01:33:55.355 Yay. They do a good job. Okay. District manager report. 2216 01:33:56.535 --> 01:33:57.795 Yes, sir. A couple quick items. 2217 01:33:58.015 --> 01:33:59.955 Uh, first is a post storm review. 2218 01:34:00.135 --> 01:34:03.915 So, as you know, uh, since Milton passed through, we've been 2219 01:34:04.555 --> 01:34:06.035 actively picking up tree debris. 2220 01:34:06.775 --> 01:34:09.395 Uh, we have completed that through all of the districts. 2221 01:34:10.135 --> 01:34:13.475 It was all taken to a DD debris collection site 2222 01:34:13.865 --> 01:34:14.875 down near Coleman. 2223 01:34:15.215 --> 01:34:18.835 And, uh, as of Saturday the grinder was put in place 2224 01:34:18.935 --> 01:34:22.635 to grind all that tree debris up into mulch 2225 01:34:23.215 --> 01:34:25.115 and they started hauling it off today. 2226 01:34:25.455 --> 01:34:28.795 So the goal is to finish that by Friday or Saturday. 2227 01:34:29.455 --> 01:34:30.715 And then we're completely done 2228 01:34:30.985 --> 01:34:33.395 with the debris collection process. 2229 01:34:33.895 --> 01:34:37.475 And that will start the submission process of all 2230 01:34:37.475 --> 01:34:39.155 that documentation to fema. 2231 01:34:39.215 --> 01:34:41.675 So we are close to completion. Yes, ma'am. What are they 2232 01:34:41.675 --> 01:34:44.435 Doing with all the mulch Goes to a landfill 2233 01:34:44.435 --> 01:34:47.035 that accepts that type of product. So 2234 01:34:47.035 --> 01:34:49.475 They're not selling it or Reusing it? No, ma'am. 2235 01:34:49.895 --> 01:34:52.315 Any idea what the total cost is 2236 01:34:52.385 --> 01:34:54.435 that we're incurring in hopes 2237 01:34:54.435 --> 01:34:56.275 of getting something back from fema? 2238 01:34:57.505 --> 01:34:59.685 Do do I have An idea how much we're spending already 2239 01:34:59.745 --> 01:35:03.285 on, we, we obviously we we're required to track that. 2240 01:35:03.285 --> 01:35:04.965 Yeah. Specifically by each district. 2241 01:35:05.005 --> 01:35:06.365 I don't have the numbers here today, 2242 01:35:06.425 --> 01:35:09.925 but certainly, uh, when we complete the grinding operation, 2243 01:35:09.975 --> 01:35:12.045 we'll put a summary out to all the boards of 2244 01:35:12.155 --> 01:35:15.245 what the anticipated or what the costs were 2245 01:35:15.325 --> 01:35:17.205 and what the anticipated reimbursement is. 2246 01:35:17.205 --> 01:35:18.765 The anticipated reimbursement's a hundred 2247 01:35:18.765 --> 01:35:20.605 percent as of this point. 2248 01:35:20.745 --> 01:35:23.365 So that's, that's our expectation. But that takes a while. 2249 01:35:23.365 --> 01:35:25.085 Right? It does take a while. Yes, 2250 01:35:25.085 --> 01:35:26.085 Sir. The last one took almost 2251 01:35:26.085 --> 01:35:26.685 two years, 2252 01:35:26.955 --> 01:35:29.365 over two years from, uh, Herma. I think 2253 01:35:29.545 --> 01:35:31.285 We hope that that is not the case this time. 2254 01:35:31.805 --> 01:35:33.885 Question was obviously maybe out of our purview. 2255 01:35:33.965 --> 01:35:35.765 I know it is. But that FEMA 2256 01:35:35.905 --> 01:35:38.245 and the, um, center landing boardwalk, 2257 01:35:38.245 --> 01:35:39.485 obviously your knows closed. 2258 01:35:39.775 --> 01:35:42.565 Right? Uh, obvious. And I, I go down there every night. 2259 01:35:42.605 --> 01:35:44.645 I take a walk, meet away, we wanna stay alive. 2260 01:35:45.065 --> 01:35:47.205 And, um, the bottom line is they're getting a lot 2261 01:35:47.205 --> 01:35:49.045 of questions on when the heck is this gonna open up? 2262 01:35:49.315 --> 01:35:51.725 Does that have a lot to do with, are they gonna wait 2263 01:35:51.725 --> 01:35:54.565 for the money from FEMA before they open it? No sir. 2264 01:35:54.915 --> 01:35:57.135 No sir. So as you know, the water level, uh, 2265 01:35:57.235 --> 01:35:59.415 of Lake Sumter rose quite a bit. 2266 01:35:59.565 --> 01:36:01.255 Yeah. And, uh, was high 2267 01:36:01.255 --> 01:36:03.215 and went over the top of the boardwalk. 2268 01:36:03.795 --> 01:36:06.615 Uh, just out of abundance of uh, caution, 2269 01:36:06.755 --> 01:36:09.255 we did hire a structural engineer, just do an assessment of 2270 01:36:09.255 --> 01:36:12.535 that, which I know was completed, uh, couple weeks ago. 2271 01:36:13.335 --> 01:36:15.575 I don't know if Mr. Wiley has an update on that. 2272 01:36:15.675 --> 01:36:17.895 But our goal is to open that boardwalk, 2273 01:36:19.595 --> 01:36:20.595 Open boardwalk. 2274 01:36:21.555 --> 01:36:22.925 What, what is the goal date 2275 01:36:24.045 --> 01:36:27.945 For, did we get a final report from the structural 2276 01:36:28.145 --> 01:36:30.265 engineer on when we can open the boardwalk? 2277 01:36:31.455 --> 01:36:33.065 Good morning. Herschel Wiley, DPM. 2278 01:36:33.325 --> 01:36:34.665 We had a structural engineer come out 2279 01:36:34.665 --> 01:36:35.745 and do an inspection last Friday. 2280 01:36:35.805 --> 01:36:38.225 We are scheduled to receive that report today 2281 01:36:38.735 --> 01:36:41.025 that will tell us that we are structurally sound 2282 01:36:41.085 --> 01:36:42.185 and we can open that back up. 2283 01:36:42.205 --> 01:36:44.705 That's what we, uh, anticipate getting that report state 2284 01:36:44.705 --> 01:36:47.625 that the water was over the wharf, over the boardwalk 2285 01:36:47.625 --> 01:36:48.905 and now it has receded. 2286 01:36:49.245 --> 01:36:51.705 So, uh, as you know, the gazebo received some damage, 2287 01:36:51.705 --> 01:36:53.505 but we don't believe the wharf received any damage. 2288 01:36:53.925 --> 01:36:55.225 So we expect that today. 2289 01:36:55.895 --> 01:36:57.025 Okay. I thought that, 2290 01:36:57.025 --> 01:36:58.225 that's why I was telling people you're waiting 2291 01:36:58.225 --> 01:36:59.825 for the approval to open it. 2292 01:36:59.825 --> 01:37:01.385 You know, because it's been a few months now. 2293 01:37:01.645 --> 01:37:03.625 Yes sir. Yeah. Before we allow any public back on there, 2294 01:37:03.645 --> 01:37:05.065 we want structural engineer to say, 2295 01:37:06.125 --> 01:37:08.745 It sounds like if we receive the report today 2296 01:37:08.845 --> 01:37:10.985 and the report indicates as we suspect 2297 01:37:10.985 --> 01:37:13.785 that there's no structural integrity issues, we will open 2298 01:37:13.785 --> 01:37:15.785 that up today or tomorrow. 2299 01:37:16.245 --> 01:37:17.265 Thanks for the information. 2300 01:37:17.265 --> 01:37:18.545 You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. 2301 01:37:19.295 --> 01:37:21.425 Okay. Uh, next item I did want to introduce 2302 01:37:21.685 --> 01:37:23.145 to you, uh, Ms. 2303 01:37:23.375 --> 01:37:26.545 Caitlin be who's standing in the back of the room, 2304 01:37:27.285 --> 01:37:28.465 you've probably seen her 2305 01:37:28.565 --> 01:37:31.145 before in front of your board presenting the a 2306 01:37:31.225 --> 01:37:32.505 RC manual to you. 2307 01:37:33.025 --> 01:37:34.145 'cause she was responsible for that. 2308 01:37:34.145 --> 01:37:37.185 She worked in community standards for, uh, uh, 2309 01:37:37.305 --> 01:37:38.985 I believe eight years. 2310 01:37:39.485 --> 01:37:41.425 Yes. Just about at eight years or so. 2311 01:37:41.445 --> 01:37:43.265 But she's recently moved up 2312 01:37:43.445 --> 01:37:45.945 to executive assistant to the front office. 2313 01:37:46.845 --> 01:37:50.945 So she will be supporting, uh, the leadership team at large. 2314 01:37:51.005 --> 01:37:52.385 But it's specifically Ms. Wilson 2315 01:37:52.525 --> 01:37:53.905 and I, what's her name again? 2316 01:37:54.255 --> 01:37:56.085 Kaitlyn. Be welcome. 2317 01:37:56.085 --> 01:37:57.405 Kaitlyn. Welcome aboard Kaitlin. 2318 01:37:57.555 --> 01:38:00.485 Okay. And lastly, I did just wanna say, 2319 01:38:00.505 --> 01:38:01.565 uh, happy holidays. 2320 01:38:01.575 --> 01:38:05.565 Happy New Year. Thank you for serving on your board for, um, 2321 01:38:05.835 --> 01:38:07.645 your tenure specifically this year. 2322 01:38:07.705 --> 01:38:09.805 But obviously many of you have served many, 2323 01:38:09.805 --> 01:38:10.805 many years on the board. 2324 01:38:10.945 --> 01:38:15.125 And, uh, thank you for all your support to the district 2325 01:38:15.225 --> 01:38:16.365 and for working with us 2326 01:38:16.385 --> 01:38:18.605 to make this a great community and great place to live. 2327 01:38:19.305 --> 01:38:22.685 So thank you. Amen. To that. Yeah. Beautiful. 2328 01:38:22.835 --> 01:38:25.485 Okay, now we got district, uh, council reports. 2329 01:38:25.865 --> 01:38:27.005 We, you there? We 2330 01:38:28.605 --> 01:38:29.605 I am here. I don't have 2331 01:38:29.605 --> 01:38:31.405 any, uh, specific report 2332 01:38:31.405 --> 01:38:32.645 unless there are any questions for me? 2333 01:38:33.545 --> 01:38:35.565 Any questions? No. We, you tell, just 2334 01:38:35.565 --> 01:38:37.405 Make sure you tell Mike we did a good job today. 2335 01:38:37.955 --> 01:38:39.245 Yeah, I certainly will. 2336 01:38:39.435 --> 01:38:41.365 Yeah. We need a good report card. That's great. 2337 01:38:41.425 --> 01:38:44.605 But thanks Wes. Thanks for thanks for coming. 2338 01:38:44.765 --> 01:38:47.405 I appreciate it. You know, be part of the meeting. Okay. 2339 01:38:47.405 --> 01:38:50.085 Supervisor comments? Um, I'll go first. 2340 01:38:50.345 --> 01:38:53.685 Uh, as you know, I didn't go to PA last month 2341 01:38:53.785 --> 01:38:57.085 and, uh, ed Coleman was nice enough to cover 2342 01:38:57.265 --> 01:38:59.365 and uh, obviously he's gonna do it for now on. 2343 01:39:02.765 --> 01:39:04.405 Ed, you got any updates? Yeah, 2344 01:39:04.405 --> 01:39:06.285 It was a short and sweet, uh, meeting. 2345 01:39:06.665 --> 01:39:11.285 And basically the, the main item was the, uh, replacement 2346 01:39:11.285 --> 01:39:12.965 or the lining in the stormwater. 2347 01:39:13.425 --> 01:39:15.525 Uh, one other thing. 2348 01:39:15.525 --> 01:39:19.165 And that's, that's a significant cost somewhere between 500, 2349 01:39:19.345 --> 01:39:20.525 $600,000. 2350 01:39:21.025 --> 01:39:22.405 The, the one thing that, uh, 2351 01:39:23.445 --> 01:39:26.045 although it it's still gonna affect us through, 2352 01:39:26.195 --> 01:39:27.605 through PA is, 2353 01:39:28.145 --> 01:39:31.805 but the, apparently the materials that are 2354 01:39:32.115 --> 01:39:34.965 with these storm drains got changed when it 2355 01:39:34.965 --> 01:39:36.085 got to district seven. 2356 01:39:36.265 --> 01:39:39.445 So five and six are, I believe, the only ones that 2357 01:39:40.075 --> 01:39:42.805 have the type of material that's more subject to this 2358 01:39:43.645 --> 01:39:46.485 deterioration from the limestone in the area and such. 2359 01:39:46.585 --> 01:39:48.725 Not, um, there's a lot of 'em, 2360 01:39:48.945 --> 01:39:52.845 but at least I guess from district seven on the material 2361 01:39:53.275 --> 01:39:55.885 that these storm drains are, are made of, 2362 01:39:56.305 --> 01:39:59.085 are more long lasting, have longer longevity. 2363 01:39:59.425 --> 01:40:01.205 So, but that was the basic gist. 2364 01:40:01.205 --> 01:40:03.525 But what, it's the material right? That they're 2365 01:40:04.105 --> 01:40:05.105 Yes, sir. So they used 2366 01:40:05.105 --> 01:40:08.885 a alum aluminized steel pipe mm-hmm. 2367 01:40:09.365 --> 01:40:11.285 Previously, which was the industry standard. 2368 01:40:11.385 --> 01:40:13.365 And then they shifted over to PVC piping. 2369 01:40:13.665 --> 01:40:15.085 And That's what we have from seven South. 2370 01:40:15.355 --> 01:40:16.405 It's mostly PVC. 2371 01:40:16.635 --> 01:40:18.685 Okay. And that, that was basically the gist 2372 01:40:18.685 --> 01:40:20.805 of the meeting was pretty short and sweet drill. 2373 01:40:21.275 --> 01:40:23.245 Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. 2374 01:40:23.425 --> 01:40:26.725 Uh, uh, well, we'll see when Daryl gets back, 2375 01:40:26.765 --> 01:40:28.765 I guess you gotta go, go to the big boys bathroom. 2376 01:40:29.105 --> 01:40:31.605 Uh, you got, you got 2377 01:40:32.465 --> 01:40:34.405 you got anything? No, I just 2378 01:40:34.405 --> 01:40:35.885 Wanna wish everybody a happy holiday 2379 01:40:36.065 --> 01:40:38.565 and thank you all for all your efforts the entire year 2380 01:40:38.705 --> 01:40:40.045 for all of the things that 2381 01:40:40.045 --> 01:40:41.045 We have. Yeah, 2382 01:40:41.045 --> 01:40:42.245 ed, 2383 01:40:42.585 --> 01:40:43.725 Uh, ditto. 2384 01:40:43.825 --> 01:40:46.445 Uh, Merry Christmas, happy New Year to you all. 2385 01:40:47.025 --> 01:40:48.925 Um, fine job. 2386 01:40:49.345 --> 01:40:52.765 You always support us extremely well. Uh, I 2387 01:40:52.765 --> 01:40:57.045 Do have one question is are we gonna be impacted next 2388 01:40:57.045 --> 01:40:58.285 month for our board meeting? 2389 01:40:58.285 --> 01:41:02.205 Because I know that this, this area is, 2390 01:41:02.815 --> 01:41:04.645 we're we're not having some The 20 Yeah, 2391 01:41:04.685 --> 01:41:05.845 I got impact 'cause of the club. 2392 01:41:06.025 --> 01:41:07.805 Um, the, the 20, the 19th, 2393 01:41:07.805 --> 01:41:10.765 the doing the new air conditioning, thanks to you people. 2394 01:41:10.945 --> 01:41:13.445 The, the club. They moved our, uh, meeting. Yeah. 2395 01:41:13.705 --> 01:41:16.085 Uh, to, uh, we went, we go to Icehouse. There's no other. 2396 01:41:16.155 --> 01:41:17.965 They do a great, no. Icehouse is a great thing. 2397 01:41:18.105 --> 01:41:21.005 But the bottom line is the day after this house opened up. 2398 01:41:21.025 --> 01:41:24.205 So the, the ninth, 20th, uh, this will reopen. 2399 01:41:24.865 --> 01:41:28.445 Now we have a meeting before the 20th. Uh, I don't know. 2400 01:41:28.785 --> 01:41:30.245 Oh, assuming we do. Yeah, we do. 2401 01:41:30.555 --> 01:41:33.165 That means we will be time the third Friday. Yeah. 2402 01:41:33.185 --> 01:41:36.445 We will be affected. We didn't get any, uh, update on that. 2403 01:41:36.505 --> 01:41:38.485 So we will need to update to let us know 2404 01:41:39.665 --> 01:41:41.325 if we're gonna have a meeting and we are going. 2405 01:41:41.595 --> 01:41:43.325 Yeah, very good point. Thanks. 2406 01:41:43.785 --> 01:41:46.645 But I know it's definitely, yeah, it's supposed to be, uh, 2407 01:41:46.645 --> 01:41:49.485 open on the, uh, on the 20th, Jennifer. 2408 01:41:50.265 --> 01:41:52.045 So Yeah, we will be affected. 2409 01:41:52.285 --> 01:41:53.605 'cause our meeting would be on the 2410 01:41:53.925 --> 01:41:57.085 Teenth recreation has not, um, advised us 2411 01:41:57.085 --> 01:41:58.525 that they're moving our location. 2412 01:41:58.525 --> 01:42:02.325 Typically when we have board meetings, they work around it. 2413 01:42:02.355 --> 01:42:05.565 When they were redoing, um, the wallpaper at Savannah, 2414 01:42:06.105 --> 01:42:08.445 all those things, we still met at the locations. 2415 01:42:08.545 --> 01:42:10.165 Oh, you did. But I will confirm for you. 2416 01:42:10.585 --> 01:42:13.525 That's right. Okay. I understand. They, I see. Mm-hmm. 2417 01:42:13.645 --> 01:42:16.365 See, we have a, a, a, um, a show on the, uh, 2418 01:42:16.365 --> 01:42:17.445 19th and they moved us. 2419 01:42:17.585 --> 01:42:19.765 But you're right. A meeting, this may be open at the point. 2420 01:42:19.765 --> 01:42:21.325 Mm-hmm. But they're doing a new air conditioning. 2421 01:42:21.355 --> 01:42:23.685 It's supposed may be done that day. Who knows. Well, 2422 01:42:23.745 --> 01:42:24.745 Yep. But we will double check 2423 01:42:24.745 --> 01:42:25.565 and confirm 2424 01:42:25.865 --> 01:42:27.565 If it, it might even be warmer in here. 2425 01:42:27.625 --> 01:42:29.685 We won't. Yeah, you got God. You're right. 2426 01:42:29.705 --> 01:42:30.565 You can hang beef in. 2427 01:42:33.775 --> 01:42:34.885 Other than that, I got nothing. 2428 01:42:35.145 --> 01:42:37.725 You go, Dar you couldn't wait five minutes. 2429 01:42:37.725 --> 01:42:40.845 We're ready to go. Yeah. 2430 01:42:41.745 --> 01:42:43.765 And he went adjourned because you weren't here. 2431 01:42:44.145 --> 01:42:46.125 Oh, I'm terribly sorry. Yeah, I'm kidding. 2432 01:42:46.365 --> 01:42:49.925 I didn't think that, uh, Ed's report would be so quick 2433 01:42:50.835 --> 01:42:52.765 thought he'd go on and on and on. 2434 01:42:52.905 --> 01:42:56.925 You know, that's came out. You got anything? Anything? 2435 01:42:56.925 --> 01:42:59.605 We're ready to adjourn. So move. 2436 01:43:03.635 --> 01:43:06.445 Okay. Uh, I I just want to thank the, uh, yes. 2437 01:43:07.625 --> 01:43:10.325 Entire district. What a great job y all have done. 2438 01:43:10.785 --> 01:43:13.405 So also Merry Christmas, happy New Year. 2439 01:43:14.215 --> 01:43:16.045 Enjoy some time off. Enjoy the family. 2440 01:43:16.545 --> 01:43:18.005 And thanks again for everything you do. 2441 01:43:18.285 --> 01:43:19.485 I will. And God bless you all. 2442 01:43:19.645 --> 01:43:22.885 I mean, thank you too, Ms. Armstrong. 2443 01:43:26.715 --> 01:43:30.005 Okay, do I get adjournment? Motion to adjourn. All in favor. 2444 01:43:30.005 --> 01:43:32.725 Second. Aye Wes. Thank you. 2445 01:43:35.255 --> 01:43:38.005 Thank you. Have a great you holiday. You too. 2446 01:43:38.095 --> 01:43:40.605 Merry Christie. Thank you. Bye.